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Sept. 28, 2023 - David Icke
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Former TV presenter, the wide-awake Robert Jensen, on David Icke and his treatment by the dutch gov
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Defending Against Simulated Realities 00:11:39
There's a lot of things that I've said over the years, which were perceived to be crazy.
and then suddenly they start to move mainstream.
I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
What is real?
How do you define real?
If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
What if all you ever knew was a lie?
What if all you ever knew was a lie?
David Icke.
I have...
I have, uh, episode 521, I almost completely forgot about David Icke.
That's an episode called Iconic Stupidity.
And that went, uh, that was a broadcast on the occasion of the fact that he was going to speak at the Dam.
On Museumplein, I don't know, but it was a freedom demonstration.
He was invited, he would talk for 20 minutes.
And then suddenly everyone was in panic.
Suddenly there was a bombardment in the media that it is an anti-Semitic and it is a dangerous wind and I don't know what else.
And he had to be banished, he had to be denied access.
To the Netherlands.
And they actually succeeded.
They have the triangle.
Like Femke Halsema always says, the mayor of Amsterdam.
The triangle has decided that we do it this way.
There can be no discussion about that.
So that was such an incredible excuse for the KUG back then.
But it was so incredible.
I was so angry about it.
For several reasons.
First of all, I hate censorship.
By being a bung for.
Well, probably because he speaks the truth.
And they don't want people to hear that.
They want to keep people stupid.
But I HATE censorship.
I HATE censorship.
The second is that this man has no criminal record.
He has never been convicted of anything.
And the biggest allegation that comes up is that it could cause unrest.
Yes, but there is no evidence that this man ever created it and that this man ever He's been to blame that riots broke out or something.
It never happened.
This is a man who has been doing research for 30, 40 years on how the world really works.
Where the real power is, where the real power is.
This man has written books, they are so thick.
It is substantiated, it is research, it is not just made up.
Look, the man is intelligent and the man also has a spiritual consciousness.
I see that clearly and that's a nice combination.
But it's all based on facts and research.
Conversations with so many people.
So he can defend himself against the attack.
But the biggest attack that comes is that he made anti-Semitic statements.
Well, I did research on him.
I wasn't the only one.
We didn't find anything.
And the worst part is, it's just stuck in an accusation.
It's an accusation of, yes, he's an anti-Semite.
But there has never been evidence.
So first of all, this is an innocent man who comes to Twiddlewood to speak at a freedom demonstration.
Freedom of expression, all important.
You can agree with someone or disagree, but everyone has the right to express their opinion in the Netherlands.
The so-called democratic Netherlands.
But if you come with an accusation, then you have to be able to substantiate it.
But what happens?
This man is banished from the Netherlands and from all other Schengen countries.
At the same time, because we are in a cozy EU, they can do that with one push of a button.
That was also interesting to see.
But it is so unfair because there is no evidence of what he has done wrong.
Then it goes to the courtroom in the Netherlands.
And in the first instance it is said, yes, the triangle was allowed to do this.
But what it's all about, of course, is proof of what he actually said and where that danger is.
And not just a claim from a group or whatever, that doesn't matter at all.
Because everyone can do that.
Then you can blame everyone for something, without evidence, and especially in terms of content.
There must be a point, somewhere there must be a point where you can defend yourself in terms of content against such a huge threat.
Especially if there are consequences, that you can no longer travel in 26 Schengen countries.
So the man is almost locked up there in England at the moment, in Great Britain.
But that's so intense what you do to a human being.
He also seems to have a family of his own in the Netherlands.
But it's so intense.
Then there must be a point.
And this is just honest.
This is just the way it should be.
And this is the democracy and the free Netherlands that everyone is talking about.
There must be a point where it is actually tested where you are accused of and that you can defend yourself.
And there must also be evidence of what is so bad about what he said and someone must be able to defend themselves.
Well, in the first instance that didn't work.
And then there was a higher appeal and there was still hope that it would now be justified.
But no, yesterday was just the statement, it just stays that way.
Without this man being able to defend himself and without them coming with evidence.
It's a huge accusation.
Anti-Semitism, especially in the West.
It's been like that for so long, if you're accused of it.
Then there must be a point where you can defend yourself.
And they just take it away from him.
So what's scary about this and what's dangerous about it, it's beyond danger now.
You can just accuse people and then you can take their whole life.
And then there are judges and they don't ask for evidence.
They're probably afraid of a bailiff.
I don't know.
But that's the feeling you get, of course.
And of course I'm not the only one in the Netherlands.
But even though I wouldn't agree with David Icke at all, I still think he has the right to speak.
And certainly.
I can't accuse him if I... I mean, let's bring in Femke Halsema.
Yes, I don't have to talk to that witch anymore, with that locked up bit.
But I'm not going to file a complaint, like, you know what she says?
I think it's offensive.
Yes, and that the Triangle has decided that I can't, Femke Halsema, I'm not allowed to say anything in public, because there has been a complaint.
I'm going to try to defend myself.
And then Femke Halsema is not allowed to defend herself.
And then I'm not asked to come up with evidence.
This is exactly what's going on here, and you have to imagine how far it goes.
There's a pressure on the button, somewhere, and you're just confused.
We have 26 countries.
And David Icke is someone... The advantage of this is that many more people in the Netherlands are going to investigate what this man has investigated in his life.
He has done research, he has spoken to so many people, he has made his life out of it.
And he knows exactly where the bad places are.
And he knows exactly what the truth is.
And they don't want him to tell the truth.
That's the only conclusion.
Because otherwise he could have defended himself.
And if they hadn't been afraid, he could have spoken.
And David Icke, you don't hear much about him.
But listen, there was no Russell Brand without David Icke.
There was no... I'm sure Joe Rogan follows Icke.
And they talk very little about that because he's too controversial.
But he's just investigating this.
And it's not someone who's just making things up.
Again, he writes such books.
He can substantiate it.
He can explain exactly what he means.
But you can't just throw someone away because there's a claim.
And you can't ban someone from 26 countries!
And the people... I know the Jensen Show is widely watched by a lot of people.
And I'm sure there are a number of people watching who have had to deal with this.
Shame on you!
I mean, I don't have children.
But what kind of future is this?
You can throw everything at everyone, but when you press the button, you're just gone.
And you can't get anywhere.
And you don't have to substantiate it.
Because it gives a small group of people a good feeling that the man has his mouth shut.
But there has to be a point.
There has to be a point in the legal language.
There has to be a point where it's fair.
And this is not fair!
In fact, this is...
Again, we're beyond danger, we're beyond danger.
And the people who just walk by and think, I still have a job to do, or I still have this to do.
Think about this!
I still have this. Do this! What is this? It's really terrible.
And hopefully there will be a point where the whole story can be heard.
And that's getting more and more difficult.
And that's something we should all be against, of course.
But of course the mainstream media doesn't talk about it.
You don't hear much about it.
And everyone thinks, well, he must have said something.
And it's sad and it's very annoying for David, I think, and his family and everything.
But we don't give up.
We always just go on.
But I do have to be seen clearly that if there is no longer a point where you can defend yourself against a threat, but that a big decision is made about it, then it starts there.
But soon it will be with us all.
Look, even Borsato, he has to be able to defend himself.
Of course today it's all in the news, Borsato becomes OM.
Okay, but at least there will be a point when he can defend himself with his lawyer.
It should always be like this and you should be able to defend it in-depth.
And an honest statement should be made about it, whether there is indeed enough evidence and whether it is
all justified and it should be honest.
And it can't just be that you have a very vague area with vague numbers.
It is so...
It is so...
...disgusting what is going on.
There's a lot of things that I've said over the years, which were perceived to be crazy.
And then suddenly, they start to move mainstream.
Scream, scream, scream!
I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
Real Is Signal 00:00:24
What is real?
How do you define real?
If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
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