David Icke - Former TV presenter, the wide-awake Robert Jensen, on David Icke and his treatment by the dutch gov
Aired: 2023-09-28
Duration: 11:52


=== Defending Against Simulated Realities (11:39) ===

[00:00:02]  There's a lot of things that I've said over the years, which were perceived to be crazy.
[00:00:09]  and then suddenly they start to move mainstream.
[00:00:13]  I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
[00:00:35]  What is real?
[00:00:36]  How do you define real?
[00:00:37]  If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
[00:00:48]  What if all you ever knew was a lie?
[00:00:53]  What if all you ever knew was a lie?
[00:00:58]  David Icke.
[00:01:00]  I have...
[00:01:02]  I have, uh, episode 521, I almost completely forgot about David Icke.
[00:01:05]  That's an episode called Iconic Stupidity.
[00:01:09]  And that went, uh, that was a broadcast on the occasion of the fact that he was going to speak at the Dam.
[00:01:16]  On Museumplein, I don't know, but it was a freedom demonstration.
[00:01:20]  He was invited, he would talk for 20 minutes.
[00:01:23]  And then suddenly everyone was in panic.
[00:01:26]  Suddenly there was a bombardment in the media that it is an anti-Semitic and it is a dangerous wind and I don't know what else.
[00:01:33]  And he had to be banished, he had to be denied access.
[00:01:38]  To the Netherlands.
[00:01:39]  And they actually succeeded.
[00:01:42]  They have the triangle.
[00:01:44]  Like Femke Halsema always says, the mayor of Amsterdam.
[00:01:47]  The triangle has decided that we do it this way.
[00:01:50]  There can be no discussion about that.
[00:01:53]  So that was such an incredible excuse for the KUG back then.
[00:01:57]  But it was so incredible.
[00:01:58]  I was so angry about it.
[00:01:59]  For several reasons.
[00:02:01]  First of all, I hate censorship.
[00:02:04]  By being a bung for.
[00:02:08]  Well, probably because he speaks the truth.
[00:02:11]  And they don't want people to hear that.
[00:02:13]  They want to keep people stupid.
[00:02:14]  But I HATE censorship.
[00:02:16]  I HATE censorship.
[00:02:17]  The second is that this man has no criminal record.
[00:02:21]  He has never been convicted of anything.
[00:02:24]  And the biggest allegation that comes up is that it could cause unrest.
[00:02:29]  Yes, but there is no evidence that this man ever created it and that this man ever He's been to blame that riots broke out or something.
[00:02:40]  It never happened.
[00:02:42]  This is a man who has been doing research for 30, 40 years on how the world really works.
[00:02:48]  Where the real power is, where the real power is.
[00:02:50]  This man has written books, they are so thick.
[00:02:52]  It is substantiated, it is research, it is not just made up.
[00:02:56]  Look, the man is intelligent and the man also has a spiritual consciousness.
[00:03:00]  I see that clearly and that's a nice combination.
[00:03:04]  But it's all based on facts and research.
[00:03:06]  Conversations with so many people.
[00:03:08]  So he can defend himself against the attack.
[00:03:12]  But the biggest attack that comes is that he made anti-Semitic statements.
[00:03:16]  Well, I did research on him.
[00:03:20]  I wasn't the only one.
[00:03:21]  We didn't find anything.
[00:03:25]  And the worst part is, it's just stuck in an accusation.
[00:03:31]  It's an accusation of, yes, he's an anti-Semite.
[00:03:35]  But there has never been evidence.
[00:03:37]  So first of all, this is an innocent man who comes to Twiddlewood to speak at a freedom demonstration.
[00:03:43]  Freedom of expression, all important.
[00:03:45]  You can agree with someone or disagree, but everyone has the right to express their opinion in the Netherlands.
[00:03:50]  The so-called democratic Netherlands.
[00:03:53]  But if you come with an accusation, then you have to be able to substantiate it.
[00:03:56]  But what happens?
[00:03:57]  This man is banished from the Netherlands and from all other Schengen countries.
[00:04:02]  At the same time, because we are in a cozy EU, they can do that with one push of a button.
[00:04:07]  That was also interesting to see.
[00:04:09]  But it is so unfair because there is no evidence of what he has done wrong.
[00:04:16]  Then it goes to the courtroom in the Netherlands.
[00:04:20]  And in the first instance it is said, yes, the triangle was allowed to do this.
[00:04:27]  But what it's all about, of course, is proof of what he actually said and where that danger is.
[00:04:33]  And not just a claim from a group or whatever, that doesn't matter at all.
[00:04:36]  Because everyone can do that.
[00:04:39]  Then you can blame everyone for something, without evidence, and especially in terms of content.
[00:04:43]  There must be a point, somewhere there must be a point where you can defend yourself in terms of content against such a huge threat.
[00:04:49]  Especially if there are consequences, that you can no longer travel in 26 Schengen countries.
[00:04:56]  So the man is almost locked up there in England at the moment, in Great Britain.
[00:05:02]  But that's so intense what you do to a human being.
[00:05:05]  He also seems to have a family of his own in the Netherlands.
[00:05:09]  But it's so intense.
[00:05:11]  Then there must be a point.
[00:05:13]  And this is just honest.
[00:05:15]  This is just the way it should be.
[00:05:17]  And this is the democracy and the free Netherlands that everyone is talking about.
[00:05:22]  There must be a point where it is actually tested where you are accused of and that you can defend yourself.
[00:05:28]  And there must also be evidence of what is so bad about what he said and someone must be able to defend themselves.
[00:05:34]  Well, in the first instance that didn't work.
[00:05:36]  And then there was a higher appeal and there was still hope that it would now be justified.
[00:05:40]  But no, yesterday was just the statement, it just stays that way.
[00:05:47]  Without this man being able to defend himself and without them coming with evidence.
[00:05:52]  It's a huge accusation.
[00:05:54]  Anti-Semitism, especially in the West.
[00:05:57]  It's been like that for so long, if you're accused of it.
[00:06:00]  Then there must be a point where you can defend yourself.
[00:06:03]  And they just take it away from him.
[00:06:06]  So what's scary about this and what's dangerous about it, it's beyond danger now.
[00:06:15]  You can just accuse people and then you can take their whole life.
[00:06:19]  And then there are judges and they don't ask for evidence.
[00:06:23]  They're probably afraid of a bailiff.
[00:06:25]  I don't know.
[00:06:27]  But that's the feeling you get, of course.
[00:06:29]  And of course I'm not the only one in the Netherlands.
[00:06:32]  But even though I wouldn't agree with David Icke at all, I still think he has the right to speak.
[00:06:37]  And certainly.
[00:06:39]  I can't accuse him if I... I mean, let's bring in Femke Halsema.
[00:06:45]  Yes, I don't have to talk to that witch anymore, with that locked up bit.
[00:06:52]  But I'm not going to file a complaint, like, you know what she says?
[00:06:56]  I think it's offensive.
[00:06:59]  Yes, and that the Triangle has decided that I can't, Femke Halsema, I'm not allowed to say anything in public, because there has been a complaint.
[00:07:07]  I'm going to try to defend myself.
[00:07:09]  And then Femke Halsema is not allowed to defend herself.
[00:07:12]  And then I'm not asked to come up with evidence.
[00:07:17]  This is exactly what's going on here, and you have to imagine how far it goes.
[00:07:19]  There's a pressure on the button, somewhere, and you're just confused.
[00:07:23]  We have 26 countries.
[00:07:28]  And David Icke is someone... The advantage of this is that many more people in the Netherlands are going to investigate what this man has investigated in his life.
[00:07:36]  He has done research, he has spoken to so many people, he has made his life out of it.
[00:07:40]  And he knows exactly where the bad places are.
[00:07:43]  And he knows exactly what the truth is.
[00:07:45]  And they don't want him to tell the truth.
[00:07:48]  That's the only conclusion.
[00:07:49]  Because otherwise he could have defended himself.
[00:07:53]  And if they hadn't been afraid, he could have spoken.
[00:07:58]  And David Icke, you don't hear much about him.
[00:08:01]  But listen, there was no Russell Brand without David Icke.
[00:08:05]  There was no... I'm sure Joe Rogan follows Icke.
[00:08:08]  And they talk very little about that because he's too controversial.
[00:08:11]  But he's just investigating this.
[00:08:13]  And it's not someone who's just making things up.
[00:08:16]  Again, he writes such books.
[00:08:17]  He can substantiate it.
[00:08:19]  He can explain exactly what he means.
[00:08:23]  But you can't just throw someone away because there's a claim.
[00:08:28]  And you can't ban someone from 26 countries!
[00:08:36]  And the people... I know the Jensen Show is widely watched by a lot of people.
[00:08:39]  And I'm sure there are a number of people watching who have had to deal with this.
[00:08:42]  Shame on you!
[00:08:43]  I mean, I don't have children.
[00:08:50]  But what kind of future is this?
[00:08:55]  You can throw everything at everyone, but when you press the button, you're just gone.
[00:08:59]  And you can't get anywhere.
[00:09:01]  And you don't have to substantiate it.
[00:09:04]  Because it gives a small group of people a good feeling that the man has his mouth shut.
[00:09:09]  But there has to be a point.
[00:09:11]  There has to be a point in the legal language.
[00:09:14]  There has to be a point where it's fair.
[00:09:16]  And this is not fair!
[00:09:17]  In fact, this is...
[00:09:24]  Again, we're beyond danger, we're beyond danger.
[00:09:27]  And the people who just walk by and think, I still have a job to do, or I still have this to do.
[00:09:32]  Think about this!
[00:09:33]  I still have this. Do this! What is this? It's really terrible.
[00:09:41]  And hopefully there will be a point where the whole story can be heard.
[00:09:48]  And that's getting more and more difficult.
[00:09:51]  And that's something we should all be against, of course.
[00:09:54]  But of course the mainstream media doesn't talk about it.
[00:09:56]  You don't hear much about it.
[00:09:58]  And everyone thinks, well, he must have said something.
[00:10:03]  And it's sad and it's very annoying for David, I think, and his family and everything.
[00:10:10]  But we don't give up.
[00:10:15]  We always just go on.
[00:10:16]  But I do have to be seen clearly that if there is no longer a point where you can defend yourself against a threat, but that a big decision is made about it, then it starts there.
[00:10:30]  But soon it will be with us all.
[00:10:33]  Look, even Borsato, he has to be able to defend himself.
[00:10:37]  Of course today it's all in the news, Borsato becomes OM.
[00:10:39]  Okay, but at least there will be a point when he can defend himself with his lawyer.
[00:10:44]  It should always be like this and you should be able to defend it in-depth.
[00:10:48]  And an honest statement should be made about it, whether there is indeed enough evidence and whether it is
[00:10:55]  all justified and it should be honest.
[00:10:56]  And it can't just be that you have a very vague area with vague numbers.
[00:11:00]  It is so...
[00:11:02]  It is so...
[00:11:04]  ...disgusting what is going on.
[00:11:07]  There's a lot of things that I've said over the years, which were perceived to be crazy.
[00:11:12]  And then suddenly, they start to move mainstream.
[00:11:17]  Scream, scream, scream!
[00:11:21]  I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.

=== Real Is Signal (00:24) ===

[00:11:40]  What is real?
[00:11:41]  How do you define real?
[00:11:42]  If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.