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Sept. 21, 2023 - David Icke
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How The Pieces Fit (And They All Do If You Go Deep Enough) - David Icke Dot-Connector Videocast
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There's a lot of things that I've said over the years, which were perceived to be crazy.
and then suddenly they start to move mainstream.
I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
What is real?
How do you define real?
If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
What if all you ever knew was a lie?
All right.
Welcome back to Earth Chronicles, everybody.
Myself, David Whitehead, and our special guest today, David Icke.
David, how are you doing today?
I'm good, actually.
Better than you might expect, given the state of the world, because while this is moving on, obviously, we see it every day and track it, but there's a heck of a lot of people are starting to go, there's something here going on.
That I didn't think was going on.
And at different levels, people are starting to stir from their slumber, if you like, stir from their induced coma, which is, you know, pretty close to the truth, I think, certainly a perceptual coma.
And so there's a lot to be hopeful about, as well as, obviously, the scam goes on.
I loved how positive you were, David, in your message that you delivered some pretty dark information, but always did it in a way where you showed people both sides.
You showed that it's almost like the more we looked at just how dark and evil this agenda for humanity is, in that knowing of the level of evil that it is, we're also learning about the good.
We're also learning about our power, our potential.
And I just wanted to open this up with the question about yourself and what it must be like.
I mean, there's so many video clips of you going back into the 80s and 90s predicting a lot of the things that were happening.
And it's probably surreal for you to sit back, especially after the last few years where everything really hit the gas pedal.
Where everything that you've been talking and warning everybody about in your books, and I have many of them and I'm grateful for them, you've been proven to be correct in your analysis in so many different ways.
And what's that feel like just on a personal level right now?
Well, it is a bit surreal, definitely.
And it's also A bit disappointing, really.
Because, you know, people will say to me often, how could you have predicted the future?
And I say, I didn't.
What I did was say, this is where this cabal, what I call the global cult, this is where it wants to take us.
This is what it wants to impose.
And if nothing comes along to stop that unfolding agenda, then it will become the future.
And when it does, you know, people will say, how do you predict the future?
I haven't, I've predicted the plan.
And the idea, and you know, I'm more confident in this than ever before.
The idea has been to alert enough people to see what's going on, to see how what's going on is
possible, i.e. human acquiescence en masse, and then not find the solution, because you have solutions
that lead to more problems, to withdraw, to remove the cause of the problem, then the
problem has to disappear if its cause is gone.
And that cause is human acquiescence to the few, what we call authority, and thus we perversely see or believe that authority has power over us.
When actually, authority in all its forms, its power is only our acquiescence to the perception of its power, which is really our power, which we've given away.
So, you know, I think that the greatest awakening, certainly at this level, is to realize where the power is and to understand why techniques like divide and rule are so fundamental.
Divide and rule is not an expression of this cult's power, it's an expression of its weakness, because without dividing the target population and getting us fighting each other over irrelevant bloody fault lines, it couldn't rule.
And this is another point about censorship.
Censorship is not an expression of this cult's power.
It's not an expression of authority's power.
It's an expression of its weakness.
Because secure people, in their own strength of security, do not want Never mind seek, to censor anyone.
They want the free flow of information, the free flow of opinion, because A, that's what we call freedom, and if we start censoring anyone's opinion, then free speech is gone already, because it's not the freedom to speak, it's the freedom to speak within every squeeze parameters.
We are looking at a so-called authority, a power that actually is not powerful at all, because you show me a control freak that wants to control everything and I'll show you someone who's deeply insecure, because secure people don't want to control everything.
They're quite happy with states of flux and And spontaneously going about their lives.
This cabal, this cult, is so deeply, deeply insecure that it wants to control everything.
And that's why whatever aspect of human society you're looking at, it's seeking to control.
If you take a football analogy, it wouldn't be at all at peace With controlling a football team in a game, it would have to control both teams and the referee so it knows the outcome before the game starts.
And anything short of that, it's insecure.
It's not at peace.
It's got to control everything because it has no power and it knows it.
And this is why control of human perception Not least the perception that authority has power is a foundation of the whole conspiracy.
Well said.
So I'm curious, because we're in this evolving state, and people call it the Great Awakening, they call it a whole bunch of different things.
What do you really believe is happening to humanity right now?
Do you believe we're in a state of conscious evolution, that we're evolving in that sense on this planet with the things that are happening to us, the trauma that is being induced onto us by this cult?
Well, any experience you have, whatever the motivation of putting the experience in your life, has the potential to be responded to in various ways.
So, for instance, when I went through historic levels of ridicule in the 1990s and beyond, I had a choice.
I could have gone away and hid away.
I could have let it destroy me, or I could have let it be the fire that honed the steel, if you like, which is what I allowed it to do.
Not least, it let me Let go of any fear of what other people think, which is a fundamental prison that most people live in.
Once you fear what other people think, and therefore you change your life or you keep your opinions quiet because of what other people will think, you're engaged, A, in the worst kind of censorship, which is self-censorship, because there's no debate or anything, you just don't say it.
And on the other hand, what you're doing is you're saying to whoever, whose opinion you fear,
you're saying, I'm not in control of my life, you are, you are deciding who I am, and what I how I
can express myself. And this is where you get this, this group think of people fearing to
say anything that's outside the group, because, you know, you have the consequences in how people
will see you and how they react to you.
And of course, with the woke mentality, that's being squeezed more and more.
So what you can say without having Comeback, ridicule, demonization, whatever, is getting smaller and smaller.
So the need to break out of these prisons of fearing what other people think is absolutely essential.
So I was given that experience of historic levels of ridicule, and that's how I reacted to it.
But I could have gone the other way.
I could have gone, oh, I'm just disappearing.
I'm going to keep my mouth shut, keep my head down, and that's it.
I'm done.
And so every experience has a potential for learning because of how you respond to it.
However, in my research over the last, what, thirty-fourth year now, none of this is about evolving.
It's about breaking down The systems of perceptual control.
Because if you want to control billions of people, and there's only a few of you, and by comparison there is, then you have to control the perception of that population.
Because from perception comes behavior.
We behave as we do because we perceive as we do.
So, we are subjected from cradle to grave to an absolute bombardment of fake information, fake communications, which include the suppression, which is another way of molding perception.
You just, anything that would give people a different perception, well, you stop that as much as you can.
You censor it.
That's what the censorship is all about now.
And so we're in a situation where the playing field, the stadium in which this whole conspiracy is played out, is human perception, from which comes human behavior.
And this is systematic.
And, you know, I'm driven by a philosophy Described by the ancient Greek philosopher Socrates, was to the effect of wisdom is knowing how little we know.
Once you realize that what we know is an infinitesimal fraction of what there is to know, then your mind is always open.
Wherever you've got, you're always looking for what's next.
OK, so Klaus Schwab, World Economic Forum, Bill Gates, Bilderberg Group and all that stuff.
Yeah, OK, that has to be researched and exposed.
I've done it for 34 years.
I'm still doing it.
That's fine.
What is the next stage?
What is that level an expression of?
And then you get there.
And then you go, okay, what is that an expression of?
And you go deeper and deeper in the rubber hole.
And the foundation is still the same.
Control of human perception.
What you see, however, and in my latest book just out, The Dream.
I go deeper in the rabbit hole than ever before, is that actually this manipulation of perception is not just the media.
It's not just Silicon Valley censorship.
It's vastly greater than that.
But no matter what level of this that you uncover, the answer is always the same.
Human acquiescence to authority, not just yes sir, no sir, but just believing what authority says because it's authority, or every level of this multi-level system of perceptual control, the answer is the same.
We have to stop acquiescing to authority in whichever form it takes, and
start to decide whether what we're being told to do, or pressured to do, or intimidated
to do, is about freedom, or whether it's about another layer of control.
And when it's the latter, we simply do not do it.
We don't need politicians.
That's the point.
You know, politicians are a form, if you break it down, of giving your power away again.
Because you're saying to someone, okay, for the next four years or so, five years or whatever
it is in different countries.
Bye.
We're giving our power to you to sort it out.
And of course, it doesn't get sorted out because you're giving your power away.
No matter what the personality may be, you're giving your power away to the system for someone to try to sort it out within the system.
And then all along, you've got 8 billion people You've got, by comparison, a handful in this global cult which is fiercely compartmentalized to the point where the inner core of this cult, you'd probably get into a single room.
And less than politicians, we need a pocket calculator to look at the mathematics of eight billion being controlled by a few.
We don't need middle men and women to do it for us.
We just say bloody no.
We're not doing it.
You know, people think yes is a positive word and no is a negative word.
No, no, no.
We are where we are now because of saying yes over and over and over again.
Yes, sir.
No, sir.
When we say, no, I'm not doing it.
Not cooperating with my own enslavement and enslavement in my family.
I'm not doing it.
Then suddenly we see where the power really is and has been all along.
And that's the worst nightmare of this cult.
The population to realize where the power has been all along.
And no matter what level of this multi-level perceptual prison cell that we live in, the answer at every level is the same.
We stop cooperating with our own enslavement and thus our enslavement becomes impossible if enough people do it.
Wow, just incredible breakdown as always.
That makes so much sense.
And I wonder, David, if you could possibly give us an example regarding where you're going in this new book.
I'm really excited to check it out.
And I wondered if we could maybe use one of the modes of control suppression and all of that.
Which is the medical system, something that Josh and I have been investigating deeply.
I've been working on a documentary series called Cult of the Medics, trying to find, trying to get through the glass ceiling of, we know it's not just Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates and the World Health Organization.
We know that those are just the public entities, institutions and faces of this.
But you were talking about how, you know, you get one layer and then you keep going and you realize there's another layer behind that and another layer behind that.
I remember there was a video a while back, I think you were in Rome, and it was one of the first times I had heard about a group called the Knights of Malta.
You had brought that up and you were talking about sort of their history and all of that.
And then I was doing some of my own research and it made me start to think.
What goes beyond the World Health Organization and all these policies that came into the pandemic and you've got the Knights of Malta sitting on the United Nations Council and you're starting to see these groups intersecting and coming to the public.
So if maybe you could use your example of there's layers.
We had the pandemic.
We got all this pharmaceutical stuff.
We've got all the genetic experimentation and these vaccines, but there's something well, there's layers behind all of that as well.
Oh my gosh.
Oh my God.
Yes.
I go into it in the dream about previous book, The Trap.
I started to go into this area as well.
It depends how far you want to go out with this, but like I say, each layer has the same answer.
But if we just look at the, let's say, the world of the scene, the world that we're aware of, that we think of as the human world, and the human world is just a tiny narrow band of frequency called visible light of the electromagnetic spectrum.
If people realized, and of course, If the system was in any way interested in enlightening the population, then one of the first things that children would learn is that when they look through their eyes, they can't see everything in the space they're looking at.
They can only see a tiny band of frequency called visible light.
Just that knowledge alone makes your mind go, whoa!
Because suddenly you think, well, everything that's happening Uh, whether it's politics, whether it's medicine, whether it's science or passes for it, whether it's media, no matter what it is.
The information and the knowledge or awareness that is deciding the actions of all those things is actually coming from a tiny, tiny band of frequency, and the rest of infinite reality is unseen to us because of it.
So, for instance, if you have someone who says, I saw this UFO and it came out of nowhere and then disappeared into nowhere.
Or, I saw this entity at the end of the bed and it just appeared out of nowhere and disappeared into nowhere.
This, what I call five sense reality, which is what visible light and human experience is decoded by, is perceived by, or perceived through.
They would say, you're mad, mate.
That's impossible.
It just can't happen.
You can't just appear out of nowhere and then disappear into nowhere.
It's ridiculous.
Well, actually, that's not what's happening.
But if the five senses are perceiving that they can see everything in the space they're looking at, then it does seem impossible.
But all that's happening is something, whether it's a, quote, UFO, a lot more to know about them in terms of the human level of that as well, or some entity or non-human entity, when it enters visible light to the observer, it's appeared out of nowhere.
And when it leaves visible light, it seems to have disappeared into nowhere.
It's not appeared and disappeared.
It's just passed through that band of frequency that the human can see.
The human body can decode, thus see.
So, from that alone, so many things open up about how this reality, this human reality, can be manipulated from outside of, to humans, the world of the seen.
And how a non-human force can ultimately be behind it.
But we can get into that.
If we start off with the world of the seen.
First of all, this global cult is a global network of secret societies.
It's a, they're secret societies that are fiercely compartmentalized.
So for instance, if you look at the Freemasons, Joe and Fred down the Lodge, I haven't got a clue what the inner core of Freemasonry is doing.
Not a bloody clue, it's all compartmentalised.
Same with all these organisations, although the more elite they are, the more people within them will know what's going on.
So, if you take secret societies, well, why are they secret?
Well, to keep secrets, yes, but from who?
The population.
And what are these secrets?
One part of it is the agenda for humanity.
So if you don't know what that agenda is, then things change in the world.
There's a terrorist attack.
We must change society, transform it, because we're going to die from bloody global warming and all that stuff.
They're random events, which people just, well, that's happening, that's happening, that's happening.
What's going on?
But if you know what the agenda or where it's meant to lead, then immediately these random events become very clear stepping stones to that outcome.
It's a phrase I use, know the outcome and you'll see the journey.
And what's happening as people start to see things and start to connect dots more than ever before, they're starting to see What were formerly random events becoming very clear steps to an outcome which they're becoming more and more aware of.
So the agenda for humanity has to be kept secret within this secret society network from the population.
But something else has to be kept from us, which is in many ways even more fundamentally important, and that's the nature of reality itself.
I mean, if you can get people to believe that when they look through their eyes, they can see everything in the space they're looking at, if they can believe that this world is solid and physical when it's not, then you have them with a perception, not only of reality, but a perception of themselves, because you start thinking five sense reality only, what comes with that?
Limitation.
Within the five sense world, you're seeing, I can't, it's not possible everywhere.
So you've got them.
You've got them in a maze of bewilderment.
They don't even know the reality that they're experiencing.
So that's passed on through the inner core of the secret society network.
And so they're using that knowledge to manipulate the population and keeping that knowledge from the population.
So while they've been orchestrating the agenda and keeping that knowledge to
themselves, that same cult has been creating within the world of the population the
sources of information.
Where do we get our perceptions from?
Sources of information which we process into a conclusion called perception.
So it's no accident that J.D.
Rockefeller and the Rockefeller family were so fundamentally involved in the creation of American education.
It's no accident that the same Rockefellers were involved in the creation of the World Health Organization, part of the UN.
It's no accident that the UN building in New York is standing on land given free by the Rockefellers, who are a massive global cult family.
And so all the way through the lives of the general population, they're being given a suppressed, fake version of everything.
In fact, it's inverted.
Everything's inverted.
You know, the whole thing is upside down.
And this difference in knowledge of the agenda and of reality, compared with the cult, is the very foundation of human control.
And what they're terrified of, hence all the censorship, is that that information will start circulating.
Among the population because once it does, especially about the nature of reality, then suddenly things that seem impossible become perfectly explainable.
So what we have then is this global network of secret societies in the center of it.
I call that the spider and ultimately that spider is not human.
You get into that if you like.
Immediately around the spider, that's the biggest secret of all, immediately around the spider,
the strands in the web are the most exclusive secret societies. Many of them don't have names,
makes them harder to track. And then you come out from the spider and you're still in the hidden,
but now you're hitting the secret societies we know about, but we don't know what goes on in
their inner circles.
The Freemasons' inner core, the Knights of Malta, you mentioned, the Knights Templar, the inner core of the Jesuit Order, Opus Dei, and so many others.
But this secret society network is met, that we see is met as you come out from the spider.
And then you have a point in the web that I call the cusp. And
this is where the hidden part of the web meets the scene. And
here you have the World Economic Forum with Schwab, you have the
Bilderberg Group, the Council on Foreign Relations, you have the
United Nations, you have the World Health Organization, and you have an explosion of non governmental organizations,
many of them funded by by Soros, Soros family, his son more and
more involved these days, and think tanks. And And their job is to take the agenda from the hidden and to play it out.
in the world of the scene as apparently random events.
So the agenda's then played out through governments, the banking system, corporations, through
media, mainstream media, through Silicon Valley, through the World Health Organization, the
World Trade Organization, on and on it goes.
And all these organizations, including the CUSP organizations, are again fiercely compartmentalized.
The more people that know, the more chance there is of the truth coming out and the hidden
becoming the scene.
So it's a very, very difficult situation.
It's fiercely compartmentalized.
So most of the people who are working for Soros organizations, for instance, like opening borders, mass immigration into Europe and the United States, they think they're doing humanitarian things.
They think they're doing it because it's right, it's about the goodness of their heart, because they've bought the narrative.
But the inner core will know it's nothing to do with that at all.
And so If you come out into the world of the scene and governments and all the organizations I've talked about, again, compartmentalized.
Not everyone at the World Health Organization is trying to create a global health tyranny, but the inner core is.
And same with all these organizations.
But there's a point within them, in their hierarchy, where they meet the web.
And at that point where they meet the web, all these organizations are the same organization driving the same agenda.
So this starts to explain a few things, like why did Silicon Valley announce immediately after, quote, COVID began, that they were going to censor anyone that questioned, challenged, or exposed the World Health Organization version of COVID?
Why?
The World Health Organization is a cult creation through the Rockefellers, and the Silicon Valley corporations, the major ones, are cult creations, not least through organizations like DARPA, technological development arm of the Pentagon, and In-Q-Tel, IQT, the technological development arm of the CIA, and so on.
through people like Peter Thiel and the big names of Silicon Valley, although, you know,
if you can see them in the public arena, they're still gophers, rich gophers, but still gophers.
So what you have, if you understand the web, suddenly, instead of being bewildered by the
censorship, it makes perfect sense.
Because Silicon Valley is censoring on behalf of the cult to protect the narrative of the
World Health Organization part of the cult, to allow a cult agenda to circulate unchallenged
to the population.
Then you look at Big Pharma.
Big Pharma, the Rockefellers, and J.D.
Rockefeller again, massively involved in the creation of that.
It's a cult operation.
It's frickin' evil.
Nothing to do with health.
They make their vast profits from people being sick with an interest in health.
And they've gone, through Pfizer and Moderna, they've gone to the regulatory agencies, like the CDC and the FDA in America, the MHRA is the one we have in Britain.
And they've said, can we please have permission, official permission, to roll out a fake vaccine which we've not tested and does not fulfill the criteria previously for a vaccine?
And these regulatory agencies have said, yes, no problem.
And, you know, anyone with a brain cell on active duty has looked at that and gone, what are they doing?
What are they doing?
Why aren't they regulating these agencies to protect the public?
Isn't that what they're supposed to do?
No, that's not what they're there for.
They're to give that illusion.
So these regulatory agencies are co-operations.
They appoint the people who are the nominal heads, like Rochelle Walensky of the CDC during COVID.
But the real power is not them.
They're just vehicles for the real power.
The big pharma corporations producing the jab, actually the military, through the big pharma corporations.
They agree that this cult operation, the regulatory agencies, this cult operation, Big Pharma, agree that actually, yes, this cult agenda of jabbing everyone with this mRNA fake vaccine is a good idea and needs to happen.
And ooh, do you want younger and younger people, young children yet, babies yet?
Okay, no problem.
So the reason that happens is It's a cult network, Big Pharma, asking a cult-controlled operation, regulatory agency, for permission to do the bidding of the cult.
This is happening everywhere.
And, you know, this is why you're seeing these apparently independent organizations around the world, whether they be corporations or whether they be governments, Obviously involved in a coordinated plan in which they're all doing the same bloody thing.
How are they doing that?
This, this co-web is the vehicle through which it happens.
And then the question obviously comes, so what's the bloody spider then?
And that's a whole new, that's a whole new story.
That was fantastic.
I, yeah, like such a good way of bringing it all together.
Josh, did you want to go somewhere next?
Well, yeah, I mean, David is spot on.
And then you bring the integration of entertainment and media into that.
And that's the information dissemination that allows them to propagate that.
Because when you have the collision of the narrative being pushed through these authoritative organizations, and then you have the adherence through media and entertainment, it kind of coincides to this kind of This mass psychosis of humanity who just gladly abides by
it.
And that's the unfortunate part, the hypnosis aspect of society that just blindly goes along
because everybody else is doing it.
Hypnosis, control of perception.
And so again, what you're saying is absolutely right.
What are the bloody chances that all these apparently different industries, corporations,
governments, government agencies, banking system, whatever, Silicon Valley, global media,
entertainment.
Thank you.
That they all sing from the same song sheet.
And in the same way as singing from that song sheet, they also play a part in demonizing those who refuse to.
It's obvious.
I mean, how come so many different countries and so many different schools all over the world had the idea at the same time, basically in the same period, that they would have drag queens reading stories to little kids and then going around strutting their stuff in front of them?
I mean, you know, one of the greatest human diseases, in my view anyway, is naivety.
It's naivety.
It's on public display.
Thing is, though, that if your perception is rigid, then it sees the world like that.
And it may be on public display, but you hate looking.
And that's why when people say, well, why Why can't they see it?
Because they're not looking!
Because their belief system is their myopia.
It's the reason they're not looking anywhere else.
It's the very opposite of Socrates' phrase about wisdom is knowing how little we know.
What they say is, I know how things are, and I know all I need to know.
This is how it is.
And if you can get people in that situation, then you can play around and manipulate the world in other areas of society and from other levels of knowledge of how everything works, while they're sitting there thinking, that's not possible, they could never do that.
Well, they are doing it, and they're doing it by keeping you in a rigid state of perception that's just repelling all borders in terms of any other explanation of the world.
And is that why one of the primary facets that we've seen over the last 50 years is the production of these controlled ideologies that basically produce these systems of belief where belief is the first step to deception?
Well yeah, belief.
I have this phrase, what you believe you perceive, what you perceive you experience.
I can explain this in deeper, in other areas, but you know, our belief can And or invariably do create our sense of reality and thus create our experience.
So if you can control someone's perception, basically everything that comes from that, you are also controlling, not least as I say, their behavior.
So it's, again, if you can just take a deep breath and just take a step back and come out of the myopia and come out of the drama, oh my God, have you heard the latest?
Oh my God!
And look at it.
It's all on public display.
Simple question.
What does this global cult want to impose?
And on what basis does it want to impose it?
It wants to impose a global dystopia, which is so total and so controlled by AI in its entirety, That if you leave not far from your own home, a camera through AI will track the fact that you've crossed the line, 15 minutes it is, and confine you with your digital currency by then, without you having any chance even of saying, I'm not going to pay the fine as a protest.
Well, sorry, the fine's been taken by the time you got past the camera.
And so how do they justify that?
They justified it in pushing it on more and more dystopia during COVID by selling us a bloody lie.
And massively, they're selling us the idea of human-caused climate change
so that we think we're gonna die and we're gonna do this and do that to save ourselves.
And every time, every do this and do that is deleting more and more and more and more freedom.
They have an agenda where They want to create a no gender human, not a transgender human, a no gender human that is far more synthetic.
This is why they've been putting synthetic mRNA in a nanotechnology through this jab into people.
And if you think that what I'll call human 1.0, the biological human, the plan is to replace it with a far more synthetic human 2.0, that does not procreate as we have up to this point.
So many things become understood.
First of all, the attacks on men through male toxic masculinity.
And then when that happened I said they're going to come for the women next because they don't need the women either in this Brave New World which was described by Aldous Huxley in 1932 in that book, Brave New World.
And so now they're targeting the women and marginalizing the women, marginalizing the men.
Human sperm counts are plummeting.
Because they don't need that procreation of human 1.0 to go on for much longer, because human 2.0 is the plan.
And this human 2.0, as described by Huxley, is a non-procreating human, so the species would be procreated technologically.
And so if you're moving towards that, before you can physically introduce it, you've got to psychologically prepare people for it.
So what you do is you delete any perception of biological male-female gender.
Which is the procreation method up to this point.
So you are planning to do this in a time scale where you know that the older people today are not going to be around for that.
So you're not really bothered about them.
The more of them you can get rid of, the better.
It's the kids you want.
And so suddenly there's this process on the road to the fusion of gender, of confusing gender in the minds of the young for the rest of their lives.
So this is where the The drag queens come in because if you want to confuse the sense of gender, the sense of human in a little kid, then a bloke with a beard with a dress on is the perfect way of doing it.
And so you've got the, and all the schools have been taken over by this transgender thing,
this transgender, and what the transgender people need to understand, the inner core
will know, but most of them won't, is that they're just being played like a stringed
instrument on the road to the no gender you.
And eventually, the transgenders will be targeted as well, because what they want is to step
on from that.
So coming back round to the point of the question, that's what the global cult wants, and many
other things too.
So then you look at the woke mentality.
What does it want?
Exactly the same.
What is it demanding?
Exactly the same in all these areas.
And one of the obvious ways that this cult is seeking to get the population fighting among each other so it doesn't come together in unity and see the common foe, is through race.
So suddenly, I mean, I'm being told that racial discrimination in America is worse than it's ever been.
Well, tell that to Martin Luther King.
Tell that to the civil rights movement.
What an insult to them.
Of course it's not.
But the perception of it means you can divide and rule.
along that fault line and it's happening now. Most blatantly, I'm, you know, in advert
and everything is so bloody blatant that this is coordinated. And who wants, who is pushing
the anti-quote white agenda? Well, when the inner core of this cult is actually old white men,
you hit the non-human level. So what, I mean, they must be in hysterics laughing at these wokers,
but these wokers are pushing the divide and rule racial agenda as well. So is it really a
coincidence that you've got this long list and there are many others that this cult wants to
transform human society on this woke mentality, which has been indoctrinated in the schools and
and it's being done so more and more to an extreme level.
All over the world, that this woke mentality is demanding exactly what the cult wants.
Because, you know, if you live a decent amount of what we call time, then you can see the change.
If you're born now as a youngster, this to you is normal.
It's all you've ever known.
But those of us, I'm 70, 71 now.
I was born in 1952.
I've seen the transformation from what it was when I was a kid.
I know I've seen it.
I know it's not normal.
And so what you are, what you're looking at is a situation where they want to program the children, the young, Because they've just arrived, and this is all they've known.
And to basically rid the older people who've had the experience of seeing the unfolding agenda all around them, and they see how nonsensical it is.
But so the woke mentality is a creation of this cult.
And, you know, again, About perception.
If you go to school from an early age now, you know, the earliest age, and you are indoctrinated with a woke mentality, you are taught to be a racist under the banner of anti-racism.
You're taught to believe that we've got to transform society or we're all going to die from global warming.
If you're taught to fear COVID and all these other things, If you're taught to believe that a fascist dictator, Gofa, in Ukraine, Zelensky, is fighting for democracy, oh dear, the thought of it, then if that's all you've ever heard, and when you go on your mobile phone and social media, that's all you're hearing, not least because of the censorship on things like Facebook and so on, and YouTube, then you're going to believe it.
And I've likened, not just for this reason, for actually much more profound reasons, a human life to putting a headset on, like a virtual reality headset.
So you've got a headset on when you come out of the womb.
Your parents got headsets on.
Your mates have got headsets on, your siblings have got headsets on, you go to school, your teachers have got headsets on, and your mates.
You go to university, college, your professors and whatever, your academics have got headsets on.
Turn on the television and there's a newsreader saying, hello, good evening, welcome, he's got a headset on.
the corporation people have got headsets on and all your life you're being fed what their
headset is telling you is real, then you're going to believe it, you're going to perceive it, and
you're going to behave on the basis of it's true. And you've only got to see how people put a
headset on, like in an empty room, one of these virtual reality games, and see how it takes over
their sense of reality to the point where they're screaming and jumping around,
and it's just a headset feeding them a fake reality.
And then they take the headset off and they go, It's just a game.
Pew!
But what if you can't take the headset off because it's incessant your whole life?
Your perception is going to be whatever they tell you it is, unless we become conscious beyond the program. And that's what awakening is, it's becoming
conscious beyond the program. Because at that point you go beyond the program where it's all
random and all none of the dots connect and they don't seem to be dots at all, they're just random
events and organizations. Suddenly when you expand your consciousness to a level beyond all
that, suddenly everything starts to connect and you start to see how it's one vast web and
suddenly its power over you is dramatically It's like, you know when you have a dream, and sometimes you have a dream, and you know it's a dream.
You're in a dream, but you're aware you're having a dream.
And the dream does not impact upon you in the same way as if you are having a dream and you don't know it's a dream.
You think it's real.
You're, oh my God, oh my God, what's going to happen now?
But when you have a dream that you know is a dream, you just don't observe it.
And its impact on you is completely different.
And that's what awakening is.
It's awakening from the dream to realize it's an induced dream.
And I go into the book in much, much deeper areas in terms of it really is an induced dream.
And you start to take control of your life back by taking control of your perceptions back, which is the goal of the entire conspiracy is controlling them.
Amazing.
And David, I know we got short time and the question I'm about to ask could probably take, you know, 18 podcasts and all of your books behind, but let's do it.
We've already kind of brought it up.
We got to get it out.
You've talked about the cults, the secret society networks, the how all these different levels of this game go and lead to what you're calling the spider of the spider's web.
So, what in the hell or who in the hell is the spider and what's the problem?
What do they want with us?
What's motivating them?
Why are they so evil?
You're right.
It won't be short, but I'll collect a lot of dots.
In the early 90s when I was uncovering this cult in all its various forms and putting the pieces together and that, My next question was, so when did this start?
Because it obviously wasn't yesterday or a few years ago.
When did this start?
And you start to go back, and you go back, and you go back, and you can get pretty comfortably back to Babylon and Egypt and those ancient societies, which came through the Roman Empire and up into Northern Europe, and then you had the colonization of the world from Europe.
And the cult went global.
And then through globalization, it went even more global and global and global until now a very few people are actually calling the shots of the world economy and the world governmental system.
Okay, so how come, was a question I had, that people have been coming in to this world being born?
They have played a part in this cult of advancing this agenda, and then they've died.
And then other people have come in and continued it, and other people have come in and continued it after them.
And it's gone expanding, expanding, expanding until it was global.
There's got to be, I said, a common, not just manipulating force, but a coordinating force.
There has to be, that spans all those generations.
Who's actually coordinating it?
And the more that my research unfolded, and this is why there's so much emphasis on keeping from the population the nature of reality that the inner core of the cult knows.
Because you can't understand what's happening until we appreciate how reality works.
So the human world is not a world, a place in that sense.
it's a band of frequency in which it all goes on. And so if you look at mainstream science, it says
or projects that, proposes that the electromagnetic spectrum is 0.005% of what exists in the universe
in terms of energy, etc., all its forms.
Some say it's as high as 0.5%, but whatever, it's tiny.
And visible light, the only frequency band we can see, is a tiny smear of the 0.005%.
So we start from that basis, that we can see virtually nothing.
You must basically be blind.
So then the question is, what exists beyond it?
And what I've put together over the years, and I go really deeply into it in The Dream, is that there's different realities Dimensions, whatever you want to call them, that interpenetrate the same space that we're experiencing.
So it's like the old analog radio and television stations.
They're sharing the same space, but unless they're close on the dial and there's some form of interference, one's not aware of all the others.
I mean, if you Look at a television set, and you're pressing the zapper, you're basically going across to different frequencies.
And the point is that when one channel frequency appears to replace the other channel, the other channel hasn't disappeared.
It's still there.
It's just that you're not tuned to it anymore, so you can't see it.
This is how the analog system works.
And this body, which I've called since the 90s a biological computer, and it's one of the reasons they want to move it on to play a part more to a more extreme way in this, it's decoding A tiny band of frequency into the reality that we're experiencing and we perceive to be human.
Actually this reality in its base form is like Wi-Fi.
It's a field of information and this is decoding that information into an apparent reality.
And I'll get more into that in a second about what this really is.
There's a dimension of reality that is very close to this one, and in its lower frequency levels, basically bleeds into it.
It's like a form of interference.
You know, in esoteric circles they call this other dimension the astral or the fourth dimension.
And this is the realm at this point where this astral dimension meets the human dimension.
This is where you see ghosts and all this paranormal activity that science can't explain.
It's not meant to explain it.
Keep the scientists and the academics in ignorance and you'll keep the population in ignorance.
You look to them to tell them what is and what isn't.
That's how it works.
So in this, I'll call it lower astral level, where this other dimension meets the scene, this is where The non-human forces that I call the spider.
And this secret society network, with all its fierce compartmentalization, is there to do the bidding of this force within human society.
Because this force is operating outside in terms of frequency, the human world, it needs a network within the human world, within the human frequency band, to impose its will upon it.
And that's what these secret societies are, and that's why the rich and famous people that I've researched over the years invariably lead to Satanism and pedophilia.
There's a reason for both of them.
There's a reason why both of them are connected.
They are worshipping, in these satanic rituals, the gods.
And hold on a minute, didn't the ancients worship the gods?
Didn't we have a pantheon of Greek gods and there's the pantheon of these gods and those gods and those gods?
Didn't they do human sacrifice to their gods openly in those days?
Oh yes.
And so how come these rich and famous people of this cult?
are still doing the same.
What's going on?
Well what you realize is the so-called gods of the ancient world they were doing sacrifice to and making offerings to are the same gods that they're doing the same to today, only they're doing it in secret now because it's not acceptable to the population as it was then.
And so This whole idea of worshipping the gods is…they're worshipping the same gods.
You know, anthropologists and historians come along and they'll look at an ancient society and they'll say, oh, they worshipped them gods and they worshipped them gods and they worshipped them gods.
And you go, hold on a minute.
Never mind the bloody names, mate.
Look at what they're all saying about them.
And you find that they're saying the same.
And when I've looked around the world and traveled the world, I've been to about 60 countries researching this in the last 34 years or so, you are hit not by what is different between everything, but by what is the same.
So if you look at Christianity, it talks about the demons and it talks about Satan or the devil, which is a negative force where, in the unseen, Then you go to Islam, and they talk about the jinn.
They talk about the equivalent of the Christian devil as Shaitan or Iblis, and where do they say they exist?
In the hidden.
And you look at the Gnostic belief system out of Egypt, lots of centuries ago, 1,600 years ago, and they talk about the archons, and their devil figure was called Yaldabaoth, or the demiurge.
Where do they operate?
Oh, in the hidden.
And what are they doing?
Manipulating human society.
And so, you start to realize that there is this hidden force.
And people say, well, why can't I see it?
If it were there, I could see it.
Well, you can hardly see anything, mate.
That's the thing.
But they don't want you to know that.
They want you to think that you look out your eyes, you see everything there is to see, because then you'll say, well, if I can't see it, it can't exist.
Or it can.
And so, The next question comes, why the hell would this hidden force want to manipulate human society?
Because it is feeding off human energy.
low vibrational human energy, like fear, anxiety, depression,
resentment, hatred, regret, all these low vibrational emotions,
particularly, because this is mainstream science, again, every
time we feel emotion, or we have a thought, we are projecting
that as a frequency.
And the nature of the frequency is dependent upon the nature of the thought and the nature of the emotion.
So those low vibrational emotions are low, slow frequencies.
And things like joy and love and happiness and all these things, Our high frequencies, no good to the demons, because why?
Because your perceptual state dictates your frequency, the frequency you're operating.
And because of their desire to control and their desire for, well actually they're basically super psychopaths, they have no empathy, no compassion, that's why they do what they do, they look on humanity as capital.
Because they're in that perceptual state, they're on a low frequency.
And thus, when they are feeding off human energy, their sustenance, their source of power, they can only absorb energies within the frequency band that they operate at.
Low, slow frequencies created by those low vibrational emotions.
So all these things that are happening in the world, whether they be wars, world wars, suffering of every kind, deprivation, hunger, all these things.
And if you look around the world, the great majority of people are just struggling to survive another day.
They're all designed to generate this low vibrational energy.
So in the Matrix movie, the first one, when the Morpheus character held up the battery and said, this is a computer generated dream world designed to turn humans into one of these.
That was a profound truth, because that's basically what's happening.
And also true in that statement, Because this is the big level of this.
It's so far from Klaus Schwab and all that, where the real perceptual control, dictatorship, comes from.
And that's the fact that this reality is a virtual reality.
It's a construct.
And these, quote, gods, morons, psychopaths, And if you think of Wi-Fi, if you said to people who knew nothing about computers, nothing at all, and you said to them that in the room they're in is a field of radiation, information, which you can tap into anywhere in the world where that is generated.
And anyone in South Africa or America or Britain or anywhere can tap into it.
If people didn't know about computers, they'd say, you're mad, mate.
What are you freaking talking about?
I can't see it.
Where is it?
But if you say the same to people who know about computers, they say, oh, yeah, I know Wi-Fi.
We all know about Wi-Fi, don't we?
And the only difference between, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know about Wi-Fi, and you're mad, mate, is knowledge.
That's all there is.
That's the only difference.
So if you can control knowledge and you can suppress knowledge, then you'll suppress the understanding among the target population of the very reality that they are living in.
So if you take a computer again, analogy again, And you said to people, tell me about the Internet.
They'd say, well, it's graphics and it's videos and it's text on the screen.
Yeah, it is.
But only on the screen.
Everywhere else, the Internet's nothing like that.
It's a Wi-Fi field or it's electronic circuits.
Only on the screen does it take that form.
Why?
Because the computer decodes the Wi-Fi field into that form.
And when you look, mainstream science again, how we create reality, the reality we think is so real and physical, it's exactly the same.
The five senses, which is what locks us into this simulation, this matrix field, they take wave field information, vibration frequency, And, well, sound waves of the ears is a perfect example, but they're all the same.
All the five senses work the same.
They take that waveform information, they turn it into electrical information, they communicate it to the brain.
And there's different parts of the brain that specialize in decoding the different five senses.
And then the brain forms it together in a reality, which is why you can trick the brain quite easily with perceptual trickery.
And so, where does the internet exist when you're looking at a computer?
It doesn't exist here, or here, or here.
It only exists here.
The only place it exists is here.
And where's here?
Inside the computer.
And this reality that we think is external, and that's how we experience it, is actually in here.
We are like a computer system.
And the more that I've gone down this rabbit hole, especially for this book, The Dream, that it's very clear to me that what I described the body as in the 1990s, a biological computer, is exactly its function.
The body is a vehicle to decode the matrix field into an illusion of Reality for the population.
So here, we've gone light years from manipulating perception via suppression of information.
Now, the very reality we're experiencing, and perceived to be experiencing, none of that is real either.
And so, when I, just after the turn of the millennium, I had this overwhelming, if you like, Download whatever you want to call it.
That this is a simulation, and the limit of the simulation at this level, there's other levels of it, is the speed of light.
And I started talking about it, and I looked around for anyone else that was saying the same.
I found only one guy at the time.
It was a guy called Nick Bostrom at Oxford University, who was saying this could be a simulation, although the way he saw it was different than me.
But then, It started, and as the years passed, more and more mainstream scientists started saying,
Actually, if you go down the simulation hypothesis, it does start to explain so many mysteries of life that are otherwise unexplainable.
There was a guy called Rich Terrell at NASA, who went public, I think it was 2017, saying that in his view, this is a holographic simulation.
Exactly right.
That's why we have the illusion of physicality.
It's holographic.
And that because It's a construct.
It could not possibly have been natural, thus it must have been made by some intelligence.
Exactly right.
And then more people started going down that road.
People like Max Tegmark from the MIT, who wrote a book called Our Mathematical Universe.
He pointed out that the physics of Computer games and the physics of our reality are basically the same.
Well, they would, because one of the things that I've seen, they would be, one of the things I've seen very clearly in this period where technology is increasingly taking over the world as we've become this technologicalized world, is that the technology that's unfolding, be it computers, Wi-Fi, holographics, or any of it, is actually mimicking Technologically mimicking the very reality that we're experiencing, but they don't want us to know we're experiencing or how it works.
And so one of the things I said after the turn of the millennium is that what we call the laws of physics are simply the encoded laws and limitations of the game.
If you're creating a computer game, a virtual reality computer game, then you write the codes that mean this is how the game is played and this is the limits of where the game can go.
That's the laws of physics in our reality.
And that's why when people have what they call near-death experiences and their consciousness leaves the body, the decoding system, and enters another reality, they describe a reality that
does not conform to our laws of physics. Why? Because this is this is the simulation where
it all kind of, it all kind of operates. And then what you've got, again, if you if you if
you look at this, there are certain encoded features that are constantly recurring in our
reality. Measurements, numbers, all of it.
And so they call them pi, they call them golden mean, golden section, they call them divine proportion, they call them the Fibonacci sequence of numbers, they call them fractal patterns, which is that they conform to the holographic principle as above so below.
And all of these things, all of these sequences, they recur everywhere.
Whether it's how a storm forms, how a plant grows, the proportions of the human face, the proportions of the human body, all these things keep recurring.
Everything is like an expression of everything else.
Well, in my view, that is because they're computer codes.
And the genetic code of the body is a computer code, and this computer code is decoding that computer code, if you like, that Wi-Fi field, into this reality.
And suddenly you start to realize the scale of, again, this bottom line, the scale of perceptual manipulation that we're dealing with.
That the very reality we're experiencing is nothing at all like we think it is.
And again, in due stream, when I was a journalist, I mean, I'm still a journalist, but I mean, when I was a mainstream journalist, not really a journalist, I worked on a newspaper, a local newspaper.
And I would wake up in the morning and I'd put the news show on.
whatever it was. And then sometimes, or quite often actually, I would fall asleep and it would
seem like a long time, obviously not very long, and I'd have a dream quite often, like several
times a week. And when I woke up, the dream I'd been having was related to the news story that
was playing on the bloody radio. In other words, my dream had been induced by the information that
I was hearing, even in a dream state.
So it was an induced dream.
And this is an induced dream.
And this biological computer acts like a headset in a virtual reality game.
And I used the analogy earlier, you know, you come out of the womb and everyone's got headsets on and all that stuff.
But with a virtual reality game, you can take it off and say, it's just a game.
But you can't take this one off short of leaving this world.
So it's decoding the game, the Matrix, 24-7 all the way through your life.
But if you can expand your awareness, your consciousness, if you can open up from the program level of perception into levels of awareness that are beyond the program, then you start to see what you couldn't see before.
So when people go through this so-called awakening process, they say, oh man, it's so obvious, why couldn't I see it before?
Because you were there before.
And now you're more there, and thus you can see it as you couldn't before.
And so the idea is to constantly bombard us with information that keeps us perceptually in these low vibrational states, which also relate to the nature of the biological computer.
And just finally on this, this is why They want to connect the human brain to artificial intelligence, the AI human.
People like Ray Kurzweil at Google, a so-called futurist, talking about by 2030 humans will be connected to AI and AI will do more and more human thinking until human thinking is basically negligible.
That's the idea.
Because the idea is to instead of manipulate your perceptions, to give you them direct.
This fake jab is all part of this, so is the cloud.
Thank you, Mr. Musk.
Low-orbit satellites and the towers everywhere, this cloud, 5G, 6G, 7G to come, it's all connected.
Because the idea is that AI will connect us to the cloud.
And the cloud will be our mission control and prevent us from expanding beyond the program into consciousness.
And that's the real reason it's all happening.
And it all comes down to the same thing.
Control perception, you control humanity.
Wow, so much to bite down on.
I know we got to run, David.
I just saw a really quick follow-up.
There's kind of two or a few different angles on what you're talking about, because this is really interesting.
And one would be that our reality is, from the base of it, created as a prison in that sense, almost as you're describing.
100%, yeah.
Right.
And then the other side would say, if you looked at it from a bit more of a hermetic view, it would be that there was the original foundational creation of this universe, this world, reality as we call it, or maybe reality isn't even the right word because that's based on perception.
But let's say, like even in the Matrix film, right, there was, Morpheus said, welcome to the world of the real.
And he showed Neo that it wasn't the computer simulation reality that he was familiar with.
It was a robotic run, dark, fallen world, right?
But there still was a base reality to it.
So I guess what I'm trying to get is the nuance of it to say, in your view, is it that it's top to bottom, a total artificial, we're living in an actual computer game, or was it that there is an original creation by the creator or the creative force of the universe, however people want to see, Um, that has the divine proportions and was built as a positive thing.
And then there was another reality superimposed on top of it that is this reality matrix that is trying to distract us from the true reality.
So I'm just, I'm asking, is there a difference in your mind between a possible base, true, very real reality that was then hijacked and we're just seeing it incorrectly?
Or are you saying the whole thing is just all a big matrix machine?
Oh, I, um, I've been writing the books for years and years about this, and I go to it in even more detail in The Dream.
This is a copy, a digital copy, a frequency copy, a fractal And it seems, as I've gone deeper into this, that it's the fact that it seems so real that tricks consciousness into entering it and then realizing it's a bloody trap.
So if you think of a base reality, which is a natural reality, and that's another thing.
How do we know anything's natural?
We think biological is natural.
Well, I can tell you, these people don't treat the biological as natural.
They treat biological as a form of technology.
Because everything within this matrix is actually not natural, except consciousness.
And so you've got this prime reality.
And then imagine a field overlaid over it.
And through the body, you are attached to that field.
So you are in the same space that we live in.
It's prime reality.
But it's not on the frequency that we're decoding.
It's through the body.
What we're decoding is the matrix, this fake reality.
And funnily enough, even centuries and centuries and centuries ago, like 1600 years ago, they were, there were people that understood this. In fact,
if you look at the symbolic language, many cultures understood this. So in 1945, there was a
treasure trove found at a place called Nag Hammadi, that's 75 miles north of Luxor in Egypt.
And in this earthen jar were writings that's estimated to have been put in the jar about 400 AD.
And they were from the Gnostic belief system, which was kind of Christian, but Christian base, but not the same.
And a fifth of these writings And there was a lot of them.
Describe something, a force called the Archons.
And the Demiurge, which ultimately, they could take form, like, you know, I mean, some of this manipulation, a lot of the manipulation in lower levels takes a reptilian form, but ultimately what we're looking at is not form, that's just their vehicles, it's consciousness and the state of that consciousness.
And this Devil, Iblis, Shaitan, Satan, Demiurge Archon consciousness is incredibly inverted, incredibly stupid, and incredibly insecure, and has created this world so that it can control everything, because it has the security of not controlling everything.
And so, what the Gnostic writing said, found in 1945, is that this is a bad copy of prime reality.
And we've been tricked into believing it's real.
Tricked into believing it's prime reality.
Tricked into believing, I would say, that it's natural.
See, it's natural, okay?
Biological is natural, okay?
The natural world, right?
How do you know?
Well, compared with technological, it's got to be natural.
Well, not necessarily.
Unless you've got something you absolutely know is natural, to compare it with, you don't know if it's natural at all.
And like I say, this coal, the inner core, it treats the biological as a form of technology.
This is why in the Moderna documents, They describe the content of this fake vaccine vial as an operating system.
They know this.
And it's the revelation that will really set us free, because what we're doing is believing in a dream.
And the dream Controls us because we believe in it.
Like I said earlier, it's like having a dream and thinking the dream is real.
It controls you.
Putting a headset on, believing it's real, you see how people react when they've just had their five senses overridden by the headset, the gloves, the audio, whatever.
And if you realize that it is a dream, you start to become the observer.
And you start to realize that you have the power, not it.
It has the power if you believe in it.
And so they're always trying to sell us dramas.
Have you heard the latest?
Oh, my God, what's happening?
Drama, drama, drama, drama everywhere.
And that pulls you into the matrix.
It pulls you into the believing it's real, the drama.
You take a step back, just observe.
You can see the You can see the illusion of it and it stops impacting upon you.
It really does.
Well, David, this has been just amazing.
It's definitely on my bucket list.
I've wanted to be on a show with you for a long time and I want to say thank you personally for the impact that your work has made on me and helping to wake me up and make me think differently.
And it's just incredible work you've done going against the tide for all these years.
You've been vindicated many, many times, as have pretty much every conspiracy theorist out there, so cheers to everybody.
And we'd love to do this again sometime.
Josh, any closing thoughts here?
We can let David go.
David, thank you once again for an outstanding interview.
You are simply the best.
So much appreciated, my friend.
And for anybody out there who's interested in picking up David's new book, The Dream, you can go to davidike.com.
That's D-A-V-I-D-I-C-K-E dot com.
And you can find that book out there on David's website.
Yeah, there's also an audio version where I actually read the book.
Oh, perfect.
There's that one as well for people who are driving.
I know you drive long distances in America.
I got a lot of grass to cut, so I usually put the headphones on, cut the grass.
Listen, I'll definitely be picking it up.
So amazing.
Please go buy the book, guys.
Support David's work.
Keep supporting us here on Badlands Media.
Get the truth out.
And as David said, we just got to see the illusion for what it is.
Truth is going to win and let freedom reign.
So Josh, as always, David, thank you so much.
It's been a pleasure.
Thank you very much.
And all the stuff that I've said on this is also at iconic.com on our media platform.
Perfect.
Documentaries and interviews and where I go into this in great depth.
Awesome.
There's a lot of things that I've said over the years which were perceived to be crazy
and then suddenly they start to move mainstream.
I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
Relationship.
so much for that.
What is real?
How do you define real?
If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
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