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Aug. 16, 2023 - David Icke

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David Icke Talks To The Macroagressions Podcast

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	There's a lot of things that I've said over the years, which were perceived to be crazy.
	and then suddenly they start to move mainstream.
	I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
	What is real?
	How do you define real?
	If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
	What if all you ever knew was a lie?
	Welcome back to the show, David Icke.
	Good to see you again.
	How are you?
	I'm good.
	I have bad news for you.
	I just got back from the American Liberty Awards, and you and I were both nominated in the book category, and we lost.
	We lost to Alex Jones, though.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm devastated.
	I know.
	I can see it in your face.
	It was just fun to go and check all that out.
	So, I'll tell ya, it's been a wild couple of weeks here in the States.
	We have had, well, it's been a hot summer, we've had a lot of weather-related issues, and now what has jumped onto the radar recently has been the devastating fires in Maui.
	I was just there, just a couple months ago.
	Maui's my favorite place on earth.
	I have it in my will that my ashes are to be scattered off the coast of Lahaina.
	I'm not kidding.
	This is one of my favorite places in the world.
	I've been going there my entire life.
	I spent my 50th birthday specifically there.
	To me, it breaks my heart to see this.
	I am willing to accept a certain level of coincidence, and that's fine, and I fully understand that we're only less than a week out from this and we don't have all of the information.
	But I'll tell you what, they're making it very difficult for me to not put my tinfoil hat on when I look at a lot of the things that are happening here.
	But regardless of that, Regardless of whether this is something that was natural, intentional, there is clearly an agenda to use the weather as the method of transforming society, because it's a very, listen, it's a great concept, it's the weather, we can't change, we can't do anything about the weather, you know, except that we've been modifying it for 60 years,
	Forget about that.
	But theoretically, right, it's just nature.
	We can't blame nature.
	It's like a virus, right, that comes out of nowhere and is going to kill everyone.
	Another invisible killer, right, that's being used to transform society, remove our rights, take away our liberties, and then Give them back to us in the form of something very different.
	And I start to, I start to have fears about climate terrorism because we see this agenda playing out, obviously.
	It's now, it's not just Maui, Canada, Greece, all over the place.
	Things are happening this summer.
	I remember summer.
	I've lived through plenty of summers.
	Now it's, now we're all boiling to death, according to the media.
	So what is your take on this?
	No, it's been a terrible summer, especially July.
	Just rain and wind, and it's rainy and windy here today.
	So it's been happening in Europe, but it's not been happening here.
	Well, according to the news, though, they changed the colors of the maps to show it, you know, it used to just be green, you know, the color, the temperatures are behind you and it used to be kind of green or maybe darkest green or now it's bright red and purple.
	It's very scary, David.
	We're all going to die.
	I feel like we're all going to spontaneously combust.
	They want us to have.
	anxiety about the weather.
	They want us to be fearful, and they want us to outsource that solution to them.
	I get a very problem-reaction-solution feeling from this.
	Am I wrong about that, or what?
	Yeah, well, I came up with the phrase problem-reaction-solution a long time ago, but there's also another version of that which I was talking about a long time ago, which is no problem-reaction-solution.
	And that's when you don't need a real problem, you need the perception of one.
	Because people will respond from their perceptions.
	That's what the whole of this global conspiracy is about.
	It's about hijacking perception and thus dictating behavior which comes from perception.
	So you can have a real problem and the perception is there's a real problem.
	Or you can have a manufactured problem, a hoax that's not really a problem, but if the perception of the population is that there is a problem, there's no difference to whether there is or there isn't, because you perceive it, so you believe it, so you behave in the way that relates to your perception, your manipulated perception.
	And human-caused climate change is a no-problem reaction solution.
	They have manufactured it.
	They do it in many and various ways.
	They have technology now which can manipulate the weather in a very, very advanced way.
	You rightly say they've been doing it for decades and decades, but it's got more and more sophisticated, especially the manipulation of the jet stream, for instance.
	So if you manipulate the jet stream, which basically brings the weather from the West into Britain and Europe, Then you are going to change the weather in Europe.
	And we've had a summer in Europe where it's been hot.
	They talk about record temperatures.
	But then you say, OK, so where did you take this record temperature?
	Do you know last year we had the record temperature in Britain?
	Oh, my God.
	It was the highest temperature ever in Britain.
	And they put the sensor next to the runway at RAF Conningsby while jets were taking off, pouring fire out of the back of the engines.
	And it came, it was a certain temperature and then suddenly for a very short time,
	very short time, just a matter of really seconds, it went up record temperature, oh my God,
	and then came down again.
	I wonder what was happening on the runway when that was going on.
	And you see, I mean, I've been following this for decades now, this whole story.
	And again and again, you come up with images of these temperature sensors next to, you know, heat vents and stuff like that coming out of buildings.
	And so it's manipulated.
	And, you know, you've got the independent, I wish it bloody was, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, an expression of the UN, which is a massive global vehicle to impose this global tyranny.
	More and more people are seeing as we move along.
	And so you've got the UN with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change telling us how bad it is and telling us what the problem is.
	And the same UN is pushing for Agenda 2030, etc., which is telling us what the solution to the problem must be.
	So the whole thing's coming through the UN, which is a massively controlled organization.
	Indeed, it was created by this what I call global cult in the first place, not least through people like the Rockefellers.
	And so the idea is to give you the impression that humans are to blame. This is an anti-human agenda and
	humans are to blame for rising temperatures. Their problem was when they came up with
	global warming, which was just after they were claiming we're going into a period of global cooling,
	their problem was the temperatures didn't go up and up and up as they predicted and so they came up
	with climate change as opposed to global warming.
	And the idea is to sell, well they're not even trying to sell it anymore because more and more of the public are beginning to suss it's a hoax.
	But they're doing it anyway.
	They're just pushing on and pushing on.
	They have a window In which they have to impose this digital concentration camp based on we're all going to die from climate change.
	So we must reduce CO2, carbon dioxide, which is the gas of life.
	And if we don't, then that's it.
	That's the end.
	And as the climate has not played ball with the narrative, Then they have a problem.
	They have a problem because they're trying to sell something that's not happening.
	So what do you do?
	You give the impression it's happening.
	You give the perception it's happening.
	So, for instance, all the way through my life, I was born in 1952, years after years after years after years, we've had the Met Office, the weather office in Britain, and BBC weather people and all that.
	And they have said, oh, there's a storm and it might be a bit big storm.
	And that's it.
	All the way through my life.
	Now, in the last two or three years, they've started giving any storm that's beyond what you'd expect every day a name.
	So now it's storm this or storm that.
	And as you rightly say, there are Memes which have put together a weather forecast, a BBC weather forecast from some years ago, with higher temperatures than they have now on the meme.
	And yet the higher temperatures have a background of green.
	Britain is green.
	Europe is green.
	Now with lower temperatures than that, Everywhere is red.
	Now, this is perceptual manipulation.
	And so, given the fact that you can manipulate the weather with technology, given the fact that you can manipulate the data to make it sound as if it's true when it's not, oh, this is happening, this is happening, it's climate change, oh, it's hot, it's climate change, oh, it's cold, it's climate change.
	And therefore you can play the public perception to believe, large numbers of people still do of course, especially the wokers, that we are heading for some climate Armageddon.
	And so the easiest thing that you can do to give that impression is start fires.
	You know, we've had the Greek climate minister in charge of the climate policy, and not a conspiracy theorist, quote, who has come out and said that the great overwhelming majority of fires in Greece recently were caused by human hand.
	It's the easiest thing in the world.
	And, you know, a lot of people will And a real back and think, well, no, no one would do that.
	Look at the devastation.
	Look at the death of people or the potential death of people.
	But we're dealing with and this is what I've been trying to get across all these years.
	We're dealing with psychopaths that are on a scale.
	It's almost beyond the imagination that the top two traits of a psychopath, according to the official definition is no empathy and no compassion.
	And if you don't have empathy, the ability to put yourself in the feelings
	of those you affect, then you have no limitations.
	Empathy is the fail safe mechanism of human behavior.
	And if you don't have it, there are no limits to what you will do.
	And so when I look at what has happened with the so-called weather extremes.
	And when you look back at the data, you find that all the extremes of weather, wildfires, they're claiming it's always more than ever before.
	It's actually not.
	It's a lot less than it was a long time ago.
	And you can see across the spectrum of all these events and all these claims that there is an agenda to make it seem as if the climate change narrative is true when it's not.
	And so whenever, of course, wildfires will break out because of the circumstances in the area, they always have.
	But when you get...
	These weather events and these wildfires, on the scale that they've been, at a time when they are desperately trying to sell this policy to transform human society on the back of it, then we have to question everything.
	We don't have to take what we're told is the situation.
	Of course, Maui and climate change is all over the media.
	That's what's caused it.
	No evidence.
	We have to question everything because if we buy this nonsense that they're springing on us and springing on the
	kids in the schools from the earliest age, then dystopia will be justified.
	Yeah well they speaking of those memes the weatherman memes with the lower temperatures with a.
	Higher temperatures with a green background as opposed to lower temperatures that they've now colored in red yeah i
	think it's a really.
	Excellent way to show somebody that's unfamiliar with this information or maybe is a little skeptical that you don't
	think that we're making a big deal out of nothing.
	My question to them would be, This is a visual representation of them manipulating you.
	It's obvious.
	It's undeniable.
	They have changed the colors in order to make you feel a certain way.
	So my question to the normie people out there would be, if this is so real, why are they feeling the need to manipulate it?
	If it's really happening, it would be authentic.
	They could show you, but instead they're having to Manipulate you in order to make you feel like there is a problem.
	So therefore, my question is to the to the people out there.
	Don't you get a little bit suspicious when somebody is trying to manipulate you to feel a certain way?
	Well, what you just described is what happened with COVID.
	Yeah, exactly the same.
	You know, if you have a real virus that's killing people all over the world, then why do you have to test for it with a test that's not
	testing for it, which is what the creator of the PCR test, Kerry Mullis, said, it can't tell
	if you're sick. So why are they using a test to test if you're sick when the creator said it can't
	do that? Because every time you test positive with a test not testing for the virus, you
	call it a case.
	And that's where your data comes from for all the cases.
	And then for the first time in human history, you bring in a law or a way of doing things that if you die of any other cause within 28 days of a test not testing for the virus, then COVID-19 goes on your death certificate, which gives
	you the death numbers. Now, if you have a real virus going around doing all this damage to
	people, then you don't have to do that.
	You don't have to use a drug called midazolam, as the British government did, to kill vast numbers
	of old people in care homes in the spring of 2020, and call it the first wave of COVID. Because COVID
	will give you a first wave if it existed, as they claim, without any use of midazolam, which is an
	end-of-life drug which is used by some American states in the execution process.
	You don't have to use remdesivir, as instigated by Anthony Fauci, to treat people who've tested positive for COVID with a test not testing for it.
	And the remdesivir drug was known, provable fact before, to Destroy organs to create multiple organ failure, especially the kidneys.
	And the kidneys stopped processing fluid.
	Fluid builds up in the abdominal cavity, people start struggling to breathe, and COVID-19 goes on the death certificate.
	Now you don't need any of that.
	And you don't need human-caused climate change to be real.
	You just have to call everything that is climatic, that is in any way extreme or mildly extreme,
	you have to call it human-caused climate change. It's exactly the same scam. And both of those
	hoaxes are designed to the same end because the same people are behind them.
	You had Bill Gates in February 2021 taking time away from selling the fake vaccine, with all its deadly consequences since, to Promote a new book of his saying climate change is going to destroy the world and we have to take all these measures and instigate all these policies of control and dystopia to save ourselves.
	It's the same people to the same end.
	And what is that end?
	Over the decades I've Describe what the goal is in terms of global society.
	And I've, since the Hunger Games Society, or the Hunger Games movies came out, I've called it the Hunger Games Society.
	And it's very simple structure.
	You imagine a pyramid.
	At the top of the pyramid are a tiny few people, the inner core of this global cult.
	And they control, this is where it's going, food production, who has water and who doesn't, all the essentials for human survival, because it's an anti-human agenda, like energy, for instance.
	And at the bottom of the pyramid, you've got the mass of humanity who are under the control of the few through dependency.
	If you can get anyone dependent upon you, you control them.
	The idea is to create a situation in which the mass of the global population are under a dependency, dependency for survival, on the few that control the means of survival.
	And in between the two is meant to be a police-military state, a fusion of the two ultimately, to impose the will of the few on the many and to stop the many rebelling against the few.
	Now that is a structure I've been talking about for decades, that this is where it was going.
	And now look at what's happening.
	And you think, well, how, how do you then?
	Okay, you can have your military police state, but there's still billions of people.
	And ultimately, and you know, potentially, they could rebel in numbers that would be unstoppable.
	We still can, for the moment.
	So how do you do it?
	Well, you do it through AI.
	You make sure that you have a digital currency, which I was predicting in my book since 1992, in a book called The Robot's Rebellion, and you make it programmable, which is what they're talking about quite openly now.
	And a programmable digital currency means that whoever programs it can dictate what it's used for.
	So if you want to buy a book about exposing the conspiracy, well, under this dystopia, you won't be able to buy it because your money won't buy it because it's programmed not to buy it.
	And then you say, OK, well, I'll pay cash.
	Well, the idea, of course, is that cash disappears and it's disappearing at an extraordinarily fast rate now for this very reason.
	You also have a carbon limit so that once there are credit cards now that are circulating
	which are saying that once you reach a certain carbon limit in say a month and you have bought
	things that have been said to produce this much carbon, then you can't buy them anymore.
	You can't use the card anymore until you go on to another carbon sequence.
	And so through the ah
	The hoax of human-caused climate change.
	This is why all these things are going on and getting faster.
	You might note that even if you look at what was predicted and what's doing the predicting, computer models, and computer models out of places like the Imperial College in London, who produced the computer models for COVID that justified lockdown, If you look at the computer models, and that's dead simple
	to manipulate, you put rubbish in, you're going to get rubbish out the other end, it's very
	easy to manipulate, and that's where it's coming from. But even if you look at them, what is
	their claim is happening now, in terms of the speed of climate change, is far, far quicker and more
	advanced than ever even the computer models predicted.
	So why is that happening?
	It's happening because they're desperate to sell this, because as they're doing it, and as these kind of, quote, weather events unfold, they're desperately trying to get this digital concentration camp into position.
	And once they have, they know there's pretty much no going back.
	So what they're doing, for instance, in places like Oxford in England, but it's happening all over, is they are creating these isolated communities where you can only drive out of them a couple of times a month or something, whatever it is.
	And the idea is that eventually you won't be able to drive out of them at all.
	And so you're looking at a concentration camp now.
	If you drive through the limit of your community, your climate change community, Then, at the moment, then what you can do is say, well, I'm not paying the fine.
	And mass people don't pay the fine.
	Okay, so what are you going to do about that?
	Well, that's the point of the digital currency and that's the point of making everything digital and everything connected to everything else through AI.
	In that, just as in China now, which is the blueprint for the global society, You'll be fine by the time you get to the end of the street.
	It'll be taken from your bank account.
	You won't have the ability to say, no, I'm not paying it because it will be taken anyway.
	This is where we're going.
	And the foundation of it, the foundation scam that's justifying it is human-caused climate change, which is why everyone needs to question everything in relation to that when they're telling us it's climate change, it's climate change, it's climate change.
	I remember hearing about Shenzhen in China several years ago.
	An example of a guy saying that if you get on a bus, you're smoking a cigarette, you're not supposed to smoke a cigarette on the bus.
	tracks you, facial recognition, back to the command center, figures out who you are.
	They said that by the time that guy gets off the bus, walks around the corner,
	he gets a ping on his cell phone that they identified him, they listed what he'd done,
	they find him, they deducted it out of his Weibo account, and it was all sorted out within less
	than 10 minutes. And that was several years ago. So yeah, well, what's happening is for many in
	various ways, they are selling the idea that we must have cameras everywhere.
	I'll give you a wonderful example.
	First of all, the Chinese cities are just awash with cameras.
	They're everywhere.
	Everywhere.
	Facial recognition cameras, you know, all the whole shebang.
	And so we've got a mayor in London, sinister man, called Sadiq Khan.
	A Labour Party Mayor of London.
	And he's been pushing this thing called ULES, the Ultra Low Emissions Zone.
	And what it means is that if you come into London with a vehicle that is not in accordance with the low emissions policy, then you have to pay £12.50 a day for entering that zone.
	And that includes if you live in that zone and use your car.
	So, it's been in central London for a while, and now at the end of this month, there's a massive campaign against it in this country, and one man's pushing it.
	Well, pushing it on behalf of those in the shadows.
	And now, at the end of this month, they're going to extend it to the whole of Greater London, and it's going to be financially devastating for enormous numbers of people.
	But then you look at it from just another angle.
	What does this involve?
	It involves cameras all over the place to to police the ultra low emissions zone.
	So therefore, in many various ways, that's just one, but an important one in London.
	And they want to introduce the same policy around the country.
	They're justifying putting cameras galore up.
	Now, those cameras are not only going to be used for the ultra low emissions.
	They're going to be used to police the public and they'll be turned into facial recognition.
	You've got these cameras that are number plate recognition.
	Well, facial recognition is the next stage.
	And what it means is you're looking at China.
	Now, it's been my Contention for a long time, a long, long time, and now decades, that if you want to see what's planned for the West tomorrow, increasingly it's not tomorrow, then look at China today.
	And what I've been saying is that the Mao revolution was actually a cult, global cult revolution, this global network of secret societies that's behind all this in the end.
	And the reason for it was to incubate a system of mass control, not least using technology and AI, within an environment of communist China in which there was no debate.
	What the government said happened, happened and still does.
	So you can move very much quicker.
	In China to bring in this dystopian system you want to play out globally, then you could in the West, I say could, because of course, it's moving that way in here now too.
	But in the West, they had to pay lip service to freedom and democracy.
	Yeah, given that now.
	And therefore, they could move slower.
	But as a result of quote COVID, which came out of China, they claim, bang, Look how much more like China the West has become since 2020.
	And if people want to see what's planned, very simple, look at China and you'll see what's planned.
	And then some because they've not finished with their dystopia yet either.
	They're still playing it out and making it more and more sophisticated.
	And you know, when you look at What has happened in relation to China?
	It's no accident, it's by design.
	What you've done, because the idea, and again I've been saying this for so long, is to move the power center, the global power, from the West to the East, that's the idea, and an alliance of Russia and China and India and so on, Iran thrown in.
	And what you've seen is the systematic movement of power from West to East.
	So you have the corporations, the so-called Western corporations, that have been moving production into China and the East for decades now, and they've given China control over vast tracts of the supply system.
	I mean, where does... do the antibiotics used in America really come from?
	They come ultimately from China.
	97% of them come from China.
	Yeah, where does the fentanyl come from that's dismantling American society?
	It comes from China via the drug cartels across the open border out of Mexico.
	And then you've got things like TikTok.
	And any company that is Chinese connected will be under control to some extent.
	if it's in China itself, completely by the Chinese Communist Party government.
	And so you look at what you look at TikTok as it plays out in the West, and then you
	look at TikTok in China as a very different entity, because what they're doing is dismantling
	Western society.
	This is why the border is open.
	This is why the borders are open, basically, into Europe, certainly more and more into
	Britain as well, across the channel.
	It's not being so, because the idea has always been to change the demographic of the West
	so Western culture disappears.
	I'm not a Christian, and I've never followed the Christian religion, but if you look historically
	the Christian religion is weaved into Western society, not least in Britain and Europe.
	And if you want to dismantle Western society, you start pulling Christianity out of it, and
	it starts to change. It has to change, because there's such a fundamental
	Christian historical basis to Western society.
	And so you can say what you like about Christianity, no problem with political correctness, but say anything about any other religion, and it's hell to pay.
	And then you look at the attacks on white people, the racist attacks on white
	people. Why is that? Because if you want to dismantle Western society, then first of all, you want
	to target the prime, in terms of numbers, racial group in that society.
	If the prime racial group of Western society was black or brown, they'd be going for them.
	Yeah.
	But it's white.
	And if you can dismantle and change that power dynamic in terms of numbers and influence, then you're changing Western society.
	You're bringing people in who will come from another culture and will want to express
	that culture in their Western country, whatever it is, as they are. And therefore you're
	changing Western culture.
	What you then do, through political correctness, is you make sure that it is cancelable and
	cancellable and you are racist if you say this is what is happening.
	you are racist if you say this is what is happening. But you can say what you like about
	But you can say what you like about white people, as with Christianity, because they're the target.
	white people, as with Christianity, because they're the target. So why would we want to
	So why would we want to put political correctness in place to protect white
	put political correctness in place to protect white people?
	people? We want them to we want their demise in terms of what's happened before.
	And so you you wherever you look, you can pick up a piece, you can pick up a dot and you can put it
	into the other dots because it's all happening at the same time and they're all
	interconnected.
	Well, with regard to China, you can get away with doing things very differently there.
	Top-down authoritarian, the state can say, this is the direction we're going.
	In the West, it's a little different.
	They still would love that, but culturally, they have to do it a different way.
	So it feels like they do it bottom-up in the West.
	They soften up the minds of the people.
	They've instilled this sense of guilt in a lot of people that has been crippling.
	It's climate guilt.
	It's white guilt.
	It's, you know, whatever it is.
	You have to feel bad about being you.
	It's an anti-human agenda.
	So what you've got now is the attack on making white people feel guilt for things they didn't do, by the way.
	If you believe in reincarnation, then how many people demanding reparations for slavery actually had a previous incarnation as a slave owner?
	I mean, it gets really complicated when you get into anything but black and white.
	I want reparations for my past life.
	I mean, the fact is that people who are alive today should not be paying reparations for things they didn't do to people who didn't have it done to.
	In states like California that didn't have slaves and they're trying to normalize it.
	If I didn't know any better, I think there's...
	It's all an attack on white people, because white people are the prime racial group in the West,
	and they want to dismantle the West. So they're targeting white people. It's that simple.
	It's almost like, it's not personal, mate. It's just the way we have to do it.
	Yeah. You're wearing the wrong colored spacesuit these days.
	So we're just going to have to, we're going to have to, we're going to have to take you
	down a peg.
	But that works really well into this push to disconnect us from our soul, to disconnect us from any sort of sense of pride.
	If you can get people to hate themselves, They're not going to put up much of a fight when you impose this authoritarian state.
	They're not going to feel that they deserve to be free.
	They're going to feel like they're getting exactly what they deserve for the crime of being who they actually are.
	And you've got a new book.
	And part of that is to dismantle pride in a country.
	Yeah.
	Individual countries are a bulwark against global dystopia, but they want global dystopia.
	And part of that dystopia is to dismantle countries and dismantle all borders.
	There won't be any borders, it'll all be centrally controlled.
	That's the idea through AI and the cloud, which is gathering in its extent all the time.
	And so what you want to do, and another thing of course, is the idea is that the world will not be run by politicians elected, useless as they are, most of them, but by technocrats, by bureaucrats, by engineers, by experts in various fields.
	And so what you would need to do is to discredit, while you're Going along your road to this digital dystopia, you need to discredit the political system to the point where people go, perception again, where people go, well, I don't know, the politicians are bloody useless.
	It can't be any worse if it's a technocracy.
	At least the experts will be in control.
	Yeah, just like they were in COVID.
	Yeah.
	And the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
	Bloody idiots.
	Is there a check in the post?
	Yeah, okay, I'll say what you want then.
	And so you have this situation in America.
	It is absolutely no accident whatsoever that you have a senile president.
	They want you to see that he's senile.
	They want you to see that the vice president makes the word moron irrelevant in terms of describing her.
	And they want you to see that they want morons in government, as we saw again and again all
	around the world during COVID, because they want to discredit the whole political system
	in the minds of the masses so that they are, again, you use the word, they're being softened up
	to replace politicians altogether. And so again, it's all perception. And this is where the game
	is being played. And what we need to do is to stay in control or take back control,
	in the case of most people, Perception.
	So it's your perception, and not one you've taken off the peg from government or some other authority, where you question things, where you don't accept that authority is telling you what is true, or that it's a benign force.
	It's not!
	The best way of dealing with authority, in all its forms, is to take what it says by definition as a lie, then two things happen. You start
	to, first of all, that point means you're not going to accept it and you're not going to
	behave as a result of accepting it. You're saying it's a lie, I'm going to start out that way. Now,
	then you do some research and on the odd occasion, and it will be the odd occasion, you'll find
	that actually they were telling you OK, fine.
	Then I can react to that.
	Now I'm convinced that it's actually true.
	But most of the time you turn out not to be true and you will have saved yourself being pulled in by the lie.
	The second question is, OK, they're lying.
	Why are they lying?
	To what end are they lying?
	And that answer, again and again, the vast overwhelming majority of times will be, because if I believe the lie, they can justify advancing an agenda for total global control and dystopia.
	and more and more control over the fine detail of people's lives. And if people just ask those
	questions and start out not, are they lying? Start out, they're lying. History tells us they're
	lying. So now we're going to check if they are lying, but I'm not responding until I've checked
	it out. They haven't earned the right to be trusted. Oh, that you see not
	Start with distrust automatically.
	But you mentioned an interesting thing there.
	You talked about perception.
	Perception management.
	It's all about perception management, right?
	If you can change the way somebody views themselves, the external world, then you've got them.
	You've got them in a sort of box.
	You've got a new book coming out, The Dream.
	This is about this.
	The nature of reality, perception management.
	Can we talk a little bit about this book?
	Because this one is going to, I think it's going to take people places that might make them uncomfortable, but they're going to need to get really honest with what we're dealing with here.
	Well, the, um, there's stuff in this book that's never been written before.
	Um, and, uh, concepts in this book have never been written before because, uh, I've always worked on the principle that was quoted by Socrates, the ancient Greek philosopher, and it's worked the effect of wisdom is knowing how little we know.
	Now, what I've done is I've gone along on this journey of now coming up 34 years, is not just look at the here and now.
	but look at where the here and now is coming from.
	And so you start out, as I did in the early 90s, looking at the way the world is directly controlled and you
	realize it's not by the people that appear to be running it.
	Then you think, well okay, so when did this start?
	And you start going back and you go back and you go back and you go back.
	You're into the Roman Empire.
	You're into Babylon, the ancient world.
	And then you say, well, there must be, therefore, a unifying force, a coordinating force that spans this period.
	Because people have been born particularly into certain families,
	they have played a part in advancing this dystopia.
	And then they've died, other people have come in and they've taken it on.
	So there has to be a coordinating force that's coordinated this journey.
	And what has been the journey?
	To centralization of global power.
	We've gone from tribes to nations to groups of nations like the European Union, centrally controlled.
	And the next stage is just to go into world government in which they will dictate to every community in the world, not least via AI.
	And then you think, well, where is this ultimately coming from?
	And then you, as I started to do in the 1990s, you realize that these cultists We are taking part in satanic ritual.
	They're literally sacrificing people, not these children, to their gods, just as they did in the ancient world.
	And what you see when you research this is the gods that they were sacrificing people to in the ancient world are the same gods these lunatics today, in the global cult, some of the most famous people in the world, are sacrificing people and children to.
	So then you say, well, who are these bloody gods then?
	And then you start to realize that, ultimately, what I call the global cult is a network of secret societies that is answerable, ultimately, and is a vehicle for entities not in this world.
	And when I say not in this world, that's not saying a lot, because the world that we perceive to be the human world is such a narrow band of frequency, it's pathetic.
	And anything outside that band of frequency we can't see.
	And I began to realize a long time ago now that actually this reality, this human reality is being manipulated via this global cult from another dimension of reality, which is on one level where it meets this one is very, very close in frequency terms, but not close enough for us to see it in the normal course of events.
	And then You start to say, okay, so, but how are they doing it?
	How are they controlling the world as we experience it?
	And then a question that you so rarely hear in the mass of the population, when you think it will be the first one they ask, what is this world?
	What is it?
	What is this place?
	And then you go down that road.
	And I, just after the turn of the millennium, I had this overwhelming feeling.
	This is a simulation.
	It's the equivalent of a virtual reality computer game.
	And what you find as you move along is that this technological world that's emerging now is simply mirroring The reality that we're experiencing.
	In fact, you know, if you put the headset on and you're fed information through the headset, you see people thrashing around in an empty room as if something's going on because the headset's telling them as is, then all the headset's doing And all these other things like the gloves give you the touch sense and the audio give you the hearing sense.
	Is there hacking into the five senses through which humans decode reality?
	It's a hacking job.
	That's what it is.
	And it's a hacking job because it's a technological representation in the way it works.
	Controls perception of the actual overall simulation that we're part of.
	And I said just after the turn of the millennium that I felt that the limit of the simulation at this level, because it goes to other levels, which is really go into that in the dream.
	And puts reincarnation into a totally different light.
	At this level, I said, the limit is the speed of light.
	And the speed of light appears to be, some people it's not, the fastest speed possible, because it's the fastest speed of the simulation at this level.
	And then in April 2021, there was an article in Scientific American Where an academic said that he believed that we live in a simulation and that the limit of the simulation is the speed of light.
	And obviously, I took very great trust in that.
	And he said something else, which I absolutely think is spot on.
	What I've been saying over the years since, you know, when I first got this, this is a simulation.
	is that what we call the laws of physics are actually the encoded laws of the simulation.
	This is why when people, you know, near death experiences, etc, they tell their stories,
	they describe a very different reality, a very different law of physics, if you like,
	once they're out of the body, because they've left this band of frequency, we call the human world.
	And we're locked into it through the body, which is basically a biological headset,
	decoding reality, decoding the simulation to give us the impression that we are living in a world
	that we're not. That's how deep this rabbit hole goes in terms of perceptual manipulation.
	And so he was pointing out that you can encode the simulation with your rules and regulations,
	laws of physics.
	But you're still going to be limited by what he called your processing speed.
	And he related the processing speed limit of this simulation level to the speed of light.
	And so I produced a book called The Trap last year, and I've gone on down this rabbit hole more and more and more in the knowledge that there's always more to know.
	And so in the dream, I'm looking at How this whole interaction between this other level of reality, still in the simulation, what people call the astral or the fourth dimension, which is another level of simulation, and how it's manipulating what we call the human world.
	You realize that actually it's not that this world is partly a nonsense and partly manipulated and partly a hoax.
	You realize that it all is a hoax.
	It's all manipulation.
	All of it.
	Because the idea is to stop you expanding your awareness out into those levels that can see it, that get it.
	You want your target population locked into the five senses, where the physical world is basically their only point of reference.
	And to do that, you have to hold their attention.
	You have to keep their attention on the five senses and the five sense decoded reality.
	You don't want their attention spanning out.
	Oh, so that's what's going on!
	You know what I mean?
	And so all these things that go on, all the dramas, all the upheavals and all that.
	Oh, my God.
	Have you heard the latest?
	All these things are part of the attention-holding drama to keep us in the prison cell of perception, perceptional reality.
	And what I'm talking about in the dream is how it is a dream.
	This is an induced dream.
	When I was a journalist, a mainstream journalist on a newspaper back in Leicester, where I was born, I went through a period where I'd wake up in the morning and I'd put the radio on, the news show on the radio.
	And then maybe I'd just nod off for a bit more.
	This happened many, many times.
	And I'd go and have a dream.
	And every time, every time in these circumstances in the morning that I woke up from the dream, the news story playing on the radio related to the dream I'd just been having.
	In other words, what was coming out of the radio was inducing what I was experiencing in a dream.
	It was an induced dream.
	If the radio hadn't been off, I might have had another dream, but I was having a dream related to that story because that was what was playing to me.
	And what this reality is, is an induced dream.
	We're being fed a sense of reality which is simply not real.
	And this is why we experience this reality as solid and physical.
	When quantum physics shows very clearly that it's not.
	It's an illusion.
	It's all an illusion.
	But it's a simulated illusion.
	And what they're terrified of, this demonic realm which operates from the lower levels of this astral, where the gods are that these lunatics have been sacrificing people to.
	They are terrified that humanity will wake up, not just to the fact that there's a manipulation going on in the world of the seen, but that the whole thing is a simulated manipulation.
	And if you don't believe in the dream anymore, the dream stops affecting you.
	Because the dream is the dreamer, and the dreamer is the dream.
	One's creating the other.
	And once you stop believing in the dream and you start to see the real reality that we're experiencing, then that dream stops affecting you in the same way.
	And as it stops affecting you, it allows you to move further and further out of the attention on the dream.
	My God, have you heard the latest?
	And see it for what it is.
	And as you expand your awareness out of that attention magnet, you start to see everything in a completely different light.
	And the whole thing unfolds.
	The pennies drop.
	And you see what you've actually been experiencing while you thought it was real.
	I have to share with you a story, a life-changing story that happened to me this year at Anarcopulco.
	You and I met at 2019 at Anarcopulco.
	I went in 2020, took a couple years off, I came back this year.
	Had a great week.
	Ran into a good friend of mine, a friend that I had met in a previous Anarchapulco during the DMT ceremonies.
	The, the, a five MEO, the different, you know, a type of DMT trip that lasts maybe 40 minutes, but it's very, it's kind of mild.
	Okay.
	Ran across this guy again and he said, he said, would you, he's, so he's kind of my DMT partner, I guess.
	And he said, Well, would you like to take it to the next level and try this and do the smokable kind, which is different than this?
	And I said, yeah, I've been wanting to do this for a long time and you're the right person and let's do this.
	And he said, all right, we'll set it up for Friday night.
	Everyone, the whole event will be over.
	We can go to the beach.
	Nobody will be on the beach.
	It'll be nighttime.
	We'll bring some towels and we'll do this.
	So we set this whole thing up.
	We went down there.
	And we went through this process and he kind of helped me, guide me through it.
	And on the final session, he said to me, this time I want you to not lay back with your eyes closed.
	This time I want you to sit up, keep your eyes open and tell me what you see.
	I said, fine.
	I did that.
	I sat there as it was coming on.
	I'm watching the waves.
	It's nighttime.
	The moon's out, but you could still see some stars.
	It was really beautiful.
	And I watched as the waves were crashing.
	I watched the waves freeze.
	Just everything stopped.
	And I could see the world just like I had been seeing it.
	But I could see a very faint grid line, a grid pattern that extended throughout the beach.
	Through the waves, throughout as far as I could see into the horizon, and when I looked up into the stars, it extended all the way across the sky.
	I felt like I could see the top part of a grid, the way you would do some sort of graphic modeling on a computer, and the very first step would be to lay out a grid of a face and then add layers and layers and layers until you... And I got that grid level.
	And I could see every star in the universe, it felt like, but the grid enclosed it all.
	And when I got done with that one, I looked at my friend and I said, I got the grid.
	He smiled and I said, how can I go back to reality after this?
	And he said, now you know what you didn't know.
	I couldn't I could that the idea of a simulation the idea of this being part of some sort of larger computer program sounds preposterous the first time somebody tells you that but I'll tell you after this experience I saw I felt like I saw the backbone of the universe.
	I felt like it was very computer-generated-like.
	And I said to him, I remember saying, you know, those simulation theory guys, I think there might be something to this.
	I felt like I got a peek behind the curtain.
	Yeah, well, I go into that in great detail in The Dream.
	And there was a guy called Silas Bean, physicist.
	who led a team at the University of Bonn in Germany, pursuing the question, is this a simulation?
	And they concluded it almost certainly was, and it was based on a grid pattern of cubes, a cube grid pattern.
	And what's been interesting since I had that, if you like, download, this is a simulation and the speed of light is the limit of this level.
	...is that more and more, in even mainstream science, has come to the conclusion that this is actually a simulation.
	Not least because, once you realize it is and how it works, as they go into In the Dream, you can see how the so-called mysteries of life just fade away and become explainable.
	And there's one guy I remember called Rich Terrell, who was a computer guy at NASA, you know, upper level computer guy, who concluded that this is a simulation and it's holographic in nature. Now I've
	been talking about the fact that this world is holographic, not physical, for oh I mean way
	back, I mean decades again. And he made the obvious conclusion, is pretty obvious, that if
	this is a simulation then it's not natural is it? It's being created, so who created it? And
	that's what I've been going on about all this time, about what is actually behind this in the end.
	And this is another point I would make too, which I go into in Dream.
	We perceive that something biological is natural.
	Why?
	because we have nothing else to compare it with except the technological.
	So we see technology made of metal and what have you, and we see nature, and we think,
	well, that's natural and that's not.
	But I could tell you that this demonic realm that's behind all this, this is why the demonic is mentioned not just in every religion, it's mentioned in the cultural belief systems of all over the world, same thing.
	The demonic sees the biological as a form of technology.
	That's what it seems.
	It sees it as.
	And for me, the truly, if you like, natural exists beyond the simulation.
	Within the simulation, it's all simulated.
	And I do think that what I've picked up over the years is that this is a simulation, which is a copy what the Gnostics used to call, or still call I suppose,
	but certainly used to call in their writings a bad copy of prime reality.
	So beyond the frequency band of the simulation, that's what it is, it's a band of frequency,
	which we are locked into, which is why we perceive it to be real, there is a prime reality
	that is a much more expansive, much more enlightened expression of what this is a copy of.
	It's literally a digital copy of something that basically exists, but it's a simulated copy of it.
	And what they've done is since that simulated copy was made, and you can liken it to this, you've got a website and it's being created by someone.
	You then take a copy of the website and now you've got the copy and you have control of it.
	What you copied from still exists and goes on its own way, like prime reality,
	but you now have a copy and from that copy you can change the copy to fit what you want.
	And eventually it becomes very significantly different to what you actually copied and still exists.
	And so what's been happening through this period of this simulation is the simulation has been continually changed and changed and changed.
	And one of the things I go into in detail in The Dream is that this simulation, this reality we call the world, is actually being controlled by AI now.
	But it's not AI of the type that we see advances that appears to be.
	It's the Stone Age compared with what is possible.
	It's what I call astral AI.
	Astral AI is running the whole show.
	And, you know, people In the spiritual arena, through the ages, I've basically said the same thing.
	If you want to reach a state of enlightenment, you've got to go beyond mind.
	You've got to get mind out of the way.
	So I looked at this and I thought, so what's the bloody mind then?
	What's this mind you have to get out of the way before you can reach a state of expanded enlightenment?
	And what I conclude in the dream is that it's actually AI.
	What we call the mind is AI.
	This I've been calling since the 1990s a biological computer.
	And the mind level operates through the computer, what we call mind.
	And so, if you don't override this AI mind with consciousness beyond it, which we can do whenever we choose if we really, you know, want to really be free, then this AI program we call mind will dictate your life.
	And it seems to me, more and more obviously, But what this COVID fake jab is designed to do, it's designed to do many things, but this is a key one.
	It's to make it, shall we say, far more difficult for consciousness beyond the biological computer, what I call the AI mind, the astral AI mind, to be influenced.
	And it's interesting that if you look at what some people have said over the years, they have said that there is a vaccine that is planned at some point, which will disconnect humans from, quote, soul.
	And we'll turn them into automatons.
	And it seems to me that this COVID fake vaccine is having that effect.
	I mean, you'll have your own experiences, of course, but one of the things that I'm observing, and more and more people, unjabbed people mostly, are saying is, People are not the same anymore.
	Family members, people at work are not the same anymore.
	And the word vacant keeps coming up often.
	They're like, they're not the same.
	You know, I've got a brother who, he repairs buses all over the place on motorways and anywhere they break down.
	And so he's, over the years, met many, many people over and over and over again, and got to know them as people, as personalities, and the way they are.
	And he says, again and again, since the jab, they're not the same people that he's known for years and years and years and years.
	And this is a common theme that's starting to emerge now.
	Well listen, Harari at the World Economic Forum told us, you know, free will?
	You don't need it.
	The soul?
	It's an outdated concept.
	They would love to strip us of that.
	They would love to take away our humanity.
	But I'll tell you what... Take away your consciousness.
	All that's left, in my conclusion of the dream, all that's left is the AI mind.
	And the AI mind is programmed with a behavioral program.
	What I've found over the years when I've looked at the world, and traveled the world, is that we see all the things that we think are different between people, but actually if you observe on another way, from another angle, the most fantastic thing is how much people are the same.
	Or they may have cultural differences, ritualistic differences, but basically they're the same.
	in the way that they live their lives and perceive the reality.
	Now, why is that?
	There should be 8 billion unique people, surely, but there's not.
	It's because of this AI mind is driving the perception of those that remain
	uninfluenced by consciousness.
	As I live my life, the more I learn,
	the more I realize I know nothing.
	I have so much more to learn.
	David, where's the best place for people to pick up this book in advance of it being released?
	Well, they can get it from davidike.com.
	We, uh, they're just arriving in the United States, North America.
	And, uh, so, um, if you order them through, um, DavidIke.com, it's not going to be posted to you from, uh, Britain.
	It's going to come from within the United States.
	So, uh, you'll get it real quick.
	Um, and it's, um, it's out on the 1st of September.
	There's a lot of things that I've said over the years, which were perceived to be crazy.
	And then suddenly, they start to move mainstream.
	I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
	What is real?
	How do you define real?
	If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.

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