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Thank you.
We're joined now by one of the original people on the scene, one of the original truth tellers that most people would be
familiar with.
I'd be hard-pressed to find someone that doesn't know David Icke.
Such an honour to have you here, David.
Really, I've been looking forward to this conversation for some time.
Well, thank you very much.
It's nice to be here.
And I'm sorry I missed last week.
These things happen.
I thought it was a Sunday, and I don't do interviews on Sunday, so I thought I'd have an interview today, and it was a Monday because it was bank holiday in Britain, and it seems like a Sunday, bank holidays in Britain.
It's quite alright.
I'm glad we got to reschedule it.
Now, like I said, you'd be hard pressed to find someone that doesn't know the name David Icke and, you know, excuse the pun, but it is one of the most iconic names in independent media.
But if there is on the odd chance, David, that one person is watching that doesn't know about you, could you give us a brief overview of how you actually became aware of the New World Order?
What got you started in this space?
Well, it's a long story.
I'll keep it real short.
I was a television presenter for the BBC in Britain.
I was a national spokesman at one point for the British Green Party, which wasn't the Green Party it is today.
I would say it was It was sensible, but it wasn't insane, as the green movement is today.
But I then had a series of what you might call paranormal experiences, which launched me into a world that I've been traversing now for 33 years.
And that was based around the question of Who's running the world to what end and why?
And it's been a journey of extraordinary synchronicity.
I had a... I can only describe it as an experience on a hill in Peru in 1990 that blew the top of my head off.
And it was very difficult for about three months.
You know, you asked my name, I'd have to check.
And then Gradually, it was like everything morphed into clarity after about three months.
And my life became this extraordinary synchronistic journey of walking into information, people, books, documents, whistleblowers, personal insight, that uncovered this extraordinary story.
It's still going on in terms of uncovering.
Of what this reality is, who we are, where we are, why we are, and who's running the show.
And so over the, what, 33 years, more than three decades, I've been through different levels of this.
So it started out with The name states places, political manipulation, war manipulation, financial manipulation and so on.
And then it moved into eventually other dimensions of reality and how that locks in, connects into the political world of the scene manipulation.
And this vast, vast picture has emerged and You know, if you are seeking to uncover what's happening and to understand what's happening, if you have a belief system, which is what?
A preconceived idea.
Then, as we've seen, because we talk about the alternative media, but the alternative media is not one entity.
It's a massive spectrum between barely imperceptible from the mainstream to Where people like I am massively, massively beyond anything in the mainstream in the way we see the scale of what's going on.
And there's a great spectrum in between the two.
And if you have a belief system that is not movable, then what happens is you get to a certain level of uncovering what's going on.
Maybe the political level, the financial level, the manipulation of wars and so on.
But if you go further, then your belief system could be under threat.
So you don't.
And you stay going around and around at that level.
And, you know, what I found without the censor of a preconceived idea.
I just want to know what's going on.
I have no attachment to what's going on in that sense.
I just want to know.
Then you keep walking.
Because, you know, I've said this many times, but if you said to people, when you look through your eyes, can you see everything in the space you're looking at?
Most people would say, yeah, of course you can.
But we can't.
We can see A tiny fraction of what exists in the space we're looking at.
It's called visible light.
And according to mainstream science, the electromagnetic spectrum, which is basically our experience reality, is 0.005% of what exists in the universe in terms of energy in all its forms.
And visible light is a fraction of the 0.005%.
of the 0.005%.
So once that penny drops, you realize that there's one thing we can say for sure
without fear of contradiction.
And that is that whatever we think we know at any point, there's always more to know.
Always.
Has to be in the situation I've just described.
And so you have religions, for instance, that say all you need to know within the fraction of 0.005% of what exists in the universe is between the covers of a single book.
Now, I'm not saying you can't get some insight from that, and you get some manipulated nonsense from that as well, but you can get some insight from that if you are taking things that feel right and leaving those that don't.
But the idea that's all you need to know in the situation I'm describing
is just ridiculous, beyond ridiculous.
And so- Well, I have to say, David, as a Christian myself,
I've watched the past three years and I've watched the inability of people
to think outside of, see what happens, there is this sort of conventional thinking that says,
particularly I can speak on behalf of Christianity, I guess, that says, oh, well, everything we need to know is here.
Um and what happened was they were blinded to what was happening around them over the past three years and kind of went along with the government because their thinking is that inherently the world is good.
And this is the problem that we have in even in alternative media if I can say.
There is a belief that okay something is very very wrong but we we don't take it to the extent of these people are literally Killing children.
Sacrificing children.
Doing the most egregious, most disgusting things imaginable behind the scenes, behind closed doors, underground.
You know, the real rulers of this earth are engaged in the most evil practices.
And many people would be too afraid to go there.
It's far too horrible.
And in comes the rise of independent media that's only really scratching the surface of that.
Yeah well you bring up an interesting point because I said a few minutes ago that these various religions they do offer insight and I tell you how I approach them.
I'm looking for common themes.
See these various religious books have come from the ancient world and there is manipulation in them because I mean you know there always is in any situation like that that's passed through what we call history.
But there's also some serious common themes.
And I do find it ironic that, as you say, Christians, many Christians, say the world is inherently a good.
But they then have no problem, or at least the Bible has no problem, in talking considerably about what they call the demonic.
And what is the demonic?
It's the unseen.
It's the manipulation by malevolence from the unseen.
And then you go to the Islamic belief system and you come across the jinn, which is the manipulation by, in many cases, the malevolent from the unseen.
You go to the Gnostic belief system uh... going way back to uh... to to each it
and at the end and they talk about a malevolent unseen force called all
kinds which is great rulers
manipulating uh...
the human society you will from the unseen You go to the Zulu belief system and they talk about a manipulative force overwhelmingly operating from the unseen they call the Chittahuri or children of the serpent.
And so I am always scanning these different areas of life for common themes, not what they disagree on, but what are the things they agree on that have passed through history, still intact.
And so I, you know, in many ways, I'm not religious myself.
But what you don't do, again, if you are pursuing the truth for the truth's sake, You are discerning.
You don't say, oh, that Bible load of rubbish, that Koran load of rubbish.
You say, well, hold on a minute, let's look at what they agree on.
Because, you know, when you've got books like that, that have passed through history, yes, they're going to have manipulation, because, I mean, the people who benefited from people believing something at the time, but they're also going to have A truth that survived through that passage of what we call time.
And so, you know, more and more as I've gone through this process I described earlier, it's basically like you're taking layers off.
You know, you take the first layers off and you hit the level of Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates and the banking system, governments, and so on, secret societies.
But then you keep taking the The levels off, the layers off, and you go deeper and deeper into it.
For instance, you mentioned quite rightly there about all this satanic ritual and the extraordinary sacrifice and abuse of children.
Now, again, I looked at the ancient world and I saw that this Human sacrifice was taking place, massively involving children.
What do they say?
Sacrificing young virgins to the gods, young virgins' children.
And then as I got deeper and deeper into what I call the global cult, this global network of secret societies that's actually behind world events, not governments.
They're just gophers for the cult.
I found that as I investigated and researched key players in this cult.
It took me into a pedophilia and child abuse.
But it also took me and the two are connected if you go deep enough.
It took me into Satanism.
And over the decades as I've traveled around the world, I've been fortunate enough to travel to 60 countries or more researching this.
I started meeting people long ago now, back in the 1990s, who'd been involved in satanic ritual and who had been involved in paedophilia.
When I say involved, I mean as victims.
And I also did a tremendous amount of research from about 1996, across the millennium, into mind control and the mind control projects of organizations or programs like MKUltra in America, the infamous MKUltra.
And I met, as a result, enormous numbers over the years of people who'd been subjected to MKUltra and were in the process of being deprogrammed.
And the stories that all three groups of people told were the same.
So, you've got, in the ancient world, all over, the sacrifice of people, the sacrifice of children.
And, of course, there came a point in the maturity, shall we say, of the human race, where that wasn't acceptable anymore.
But it didn't stop, it went underground.
Among those for which it is very acceptable, which is this global cult and all its offshoots and forms.
And I thought, well, hold on a minute.
These people, famous people, named in my books, are involved in this satanic ritual.
Well, who are they worshipping in this ritual?
Well, they're worshipping, quote, the gods.
They're gods.
They're unseen masters.
Well who were the ancients worshipping and sacrificing people to?
The gods under various names, but this is the thing, this is the point, that when I look at the Christian demons and I look at the Islamic jinn And the Gnostic Archons and the Zulu Chitauri and others that are under other names in other cultures.
And then I look at how they're described in terms of their motivation and actions and the way their prime method of manipulation is manipulating human perception, which dictates human behavior, of course.
I thought, well, they may have different names, there may be different religions and there may be different cultures, but they're talking about the same force.
And then you've got this ancient expression of this, and then you've got this cult, these world-famous people in politics and banking and all the rest of it, who are also involved in satanic ritual, and they are basically interacting with the same unseen force.
So, of course, if you're interested in the truth and not How people receive it and receive you, then your question is, what is this bloody force then?
Who are they worshipping?
Yes, and I think what you're saying is so important because a lot of people will happily, you know, accept the fact that these things happened in history, that really outrageous forms of occult, you know, worship and sacrifice happened, you know, in the dark ages.
They know it happened thousands of years ago and hundreds of years ago, but to think that it's still happening today is just far beyond Human comprehension.
And I just don't understand how.
What makes you think that human beings have stopped doing this?
What makes you think that with all of the stories out there that for some reason this isn't still happening?
It's fascinating to me and I really think David that it's this idea by most people that the world again as I said to you is inherently good or people are inherently good or The world system is somehow good.
And the reality is the world system is a farce.
It's an illusion.
And it's one that has many, many people fooled, including those who consider themselves freethinkers.
Exactly.
And you raise a very, very important point.
And I do think it is to some extent, in some cases massively, connected to what's known as Stockholm Syndrome.
Stockholm Syndrome is when you are say, taken hostage, and you then become an apologist for your hostage takers.
And it's a form of not wanting to believe the situation you're in.
Oh, my hostage takers, they're okay, really, because if I just Let it sink in that they're not, then that's even worse.
So I'll convince myself that they are.
And if I'm nice to them, well, maybe they won't hurt me so much.
And this is connected into Stockholm Syndrome.
But so is the idea that you don't want to face the situation you're in.
And the point is, if you don't face it, you can't change it because you're denying it.
And this is why you get people that follow religions who will ignore what their religion is saying.
That there is a demonic force, for instance, that has a very malevolent agenda for humans.
You know, you look at the character, the biblical character of the devil or Satan.
Well, you find that same figure in all these other areas.
In Islam, it's Iblis or Shaitan.
You find in the Gnostic belief system, it's a figure called Yaldabaoth or the Demiurge.
And the way they're described is the same.
And this is where, you know, I do part company with the Alternative media in these areas, because I'm seeing what I call here and no further happening a lot in the alternative media.
For instance, I'm ridiculed for some of the stuff that I'm saying within the alternative media as much as I am in the in the in the mainstream, because I know that whatever I think I know, there's always more to know.
So I'm constantly seeking the cutting edge and going beyond it. And that takes you into these
areas we're discussing now.
But if you don't want to go there, either because you don't want to face it, or you think, well,
my audience might turn against me if I do, then you just stay in the it's Klaus Schwab, it's
Bill Gates, it's the Rockefellers and all that stuff.
All of which, by the way, has to be exposed.
I do it myself, I've done it for 33 years.
But if you stop there, what you do, you're becoming Eddie in the river.
Instead of flowing with the river and pushing the cutting edge, you become an Eddie.
You go round and round and round, repeating the same stuff.
And there's millions doing it now.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm all for independent media.
I'm for different flavours of independent media.
There are many people out there who wouldn't be able to stand the sound of my voice but would listen to someone else.
Great!
I'm all for that.
But there is that bit that's lacking where it sort of just becomes entertainment at this point and it's not actually Yeah, it needs a bit of humbleness, to be honest, that says, there's always more to know.
So what don't I know?
Let's go and have a see if I can find it.
And I think what happened with COVID, there was there was great benefit to The alternative media in the post COVID period because people started taking it more seriously.
Oh, hold on a minute.
Maybe they're not so mad.
But they it also brought in and this was a good thing, too.
You know, it's not good, bad, black, white.
It's it's yes, that's good.
But hey, there's there's some.
Consequences as well that maybe we should look at.
It brought in a lot of people, doctors, scientists, people like that, and not all of them either.
Some of them have gone much further than they ever thought they would before.
But most of them haven't.
They're staying in this hole, in the eddy, if you like.
And they have come into the alternative media and been fated by the alternative media because they're saying things about the COVID jab.
You know, good on them.
And they're saying things about the whole health situation in general.
But what they've done is, while they brought that to the table, they brought with them their mainstream belief system in virtually everything else.
I'll give you an example.
I won't say who it is because he's doing a good job in the area these operating in.
But I had a conversation with a man who has He's done one heck of a lot of work, particularly since the jab came out and people around him started to die, to expose what the jab is doing.
But I had a conversation with him on the phone and he had bought hook, line, sinker and everything else, the whole official story of human-caused climate change.
And he's quoting people who were absolutely cult manipulators, as if it was gospel truth.
And you see, this is what happens when you focus your attention on a dot and you lose perspective of how the dots connect.
You get so focused on the twigs, you can't see the forest.
And the truth and the reality and the understanding of how it all works, while the detail is in the dot, the panorama understanding of how it works is in the forest.
And if you don't come from that panoramic perspective and see how it all fits and to what end, Then you become mesmerized by a dot, say the COVID jab, and you buy other dots that are just as connected as that is.
Do you think that's what's happening with some of these doctors, David?
Because I myself have spoken about this publicly, about the fact that, you know, a lot of these doctors are experts in their particular field, but we've never had a merging of technology and medicine like we do now.
These people aren't experts in, you know, synthetic biology and all of the ways that they are pushing us towards transhumanism.
So it even seems like a lot of these doctors who came out of the sort of the freedom movement, if you will, or health freedom, are also not able to really think outside of their training.
Yeah, that I think is the problem.
I mean, some of them have.
Some of them have had massive revelations of re-evaluating their entire view of the world as a result of it.
But a lot of them haven't.
They've just come in on their particular dot.
And that's all right.
That's a contribution.
But, you know, if you want to remove a problem, then you have to know what's causing it.
Because otherwise you're just dabbling with the symptoms, not the cause.
And, you know, people say we need a solution.
No, we don't need a solution.
We need to find the cause.
Because if you remove the cause, you don't need a solution because there's nothing to solve anymore because the cause is gone.
So the playing out symptoms of the cause is gone.
So we have to get to the cause.
What's causing it?
Where is it coming from?
Let's talk about the cause.
Let me just say one thing, just very quickly, and I'll go on to that, but, you know, what I'm seeing is the alternative media, not all of it, but significant chunks of it, are now having a form of schizophrenia whereby they are exposing what we might call the deep state And the billionaires that are behind the deep state on behalf of this cold.
And then we're quoting the deep state to support what we think is going on.
I say we, I'm not doing it.
I refuse to do it.
So what I'm seeing, for instance, is the deep state agencies like the FBI and CIA and others Being quoted in support of the fact that the, quote, virus came out of a Wuhan lab.
Well, if you if people want to believe that, I certainly don't.
But if you want to believe that, well, believe it with evidence that's not coming from the deep state.
Don't say, oh, well, the FBI say now that it's coming from the Wuhan lab.
Well, who gives a damn what the FBI think?
They're a bunch of bloody professional liars.
That's why they're there.
And then I see Elon Musk being feted as one of us.
What?
First of all, his grandfather in Canada, who later moved to South Africa, was basically the leader of the technocrat
movement of transforming society out of Canada.
And here's his grandson now involved in company after company that is creating, making possible that same technocratic society, a technocratic society in which there are Pathetic as they may be, and that's not by accident either, politicians play no part.
No elections, nothing.
You technocracies are overseen, run by bureaucrats, technocrats, engineers, doctors, health professionals, and so on.
There are no elections.
There's only appointees.
That's, of course, a fascist communist state.
You look at... Except they're still giving us the illusion of elections until the point where we no longer have that illusion.
Yeah, well, two things to that.
First of all, they're giving us the illusion of elections on the way to removing them altogether.
And also, they are pointing out there's always been morons in politics.
I mean, it's almost like cause and effect.
But the number of morons, I mean, real morons and psychopathic Morons in political power around the world now is greater than I've ever seen it.
And what it's doing, look at Biden in America, look at Daniel Andrews in Victoria, Australia.
What it's doing, it's eroding public confidence and respect in the political system.
Specifically middle government?
They want to get rid of, yeah, they want to get rid of the political level of government to create this technocracy.
So what I do is I look at actions.
Words are easy.
I mean, you can say what you like.
You just move your mouth and your vocal cords and it comes out.
Actions tell you what the person is about.
I look at what this cult wants.
It wants, for instance, in this technocracy, this technological technocracy, it wants every inch of the planet covered in Wi-Fi, 5G, 6G, 7G eventually, to connect the human brain, human body to the cloud through artificial intelligence.
This is why this nanotechnology is in these fake jabs.
And so, how do you do that?
Okay, you can put towers up everywhere, all over the place, yeah, you can do that, but you've got to cover every inch of the planet.
How are you going to do it?
Well, we've got to do it from space.
Oh, yeah?
How are we going to do that then?
Oh, well, what we need is loads and loads, thousands and thousands, actually, thousands of low-orbit satellites beaming this cloud at every inch of the planet.
Well, who's leading the way in that?
Elon Musk!
And SpaceX!
He's making it possible.
He's already got permission from the FCC, the Federal Communications Commission in America, for thousands and thousands and thousands of these things.
They're going up all the time, every week.
He also, David, recently called for a pause to AI, at least six months, and then the other day, I mean, in the next breath, announced a new AI startup.
Exactly!
What else do they want?
They want to connect the human brain.
I mean, they're openly saying this now.
See, we've gone from the point where they can hide it because it's becoming reality.
So you can't hide it because people can see it more and more.
So you go from hiding it to sales pitching it.
And so it's now, oh yeah, if we connect to AI and the metaverse and all this, we'll become gods and all that stuff.
No, we won't.
We won't become superhuman.
We'll become post-human.
That's the idea.
And so you want to connect the human brain to computers and AI.
And Elon Musk says, some years ago now, that we are facing a possibility of the end of humanity because of AI.
And then he starts a company called Neuralink.
That is working to connect the human brain to computer systems, doing it with monkeys.
He's now trying to get permission to do it to humans.
The electric vehicle agenda is, first of all, to create a situation of deleting petrol and diesel vehicles so that the vast majority of the population don't have access to a vehicle, because there's no way on many levels.
Cost.
resources for the batteries and stuff that all the petrol and diesel vehicles can be
replaced by electric vehicles.
It's just not possible, nowhere near possible.
They know it's not.
They just don't want you to.
So the idea of electric vehicles is first of all to delete the ability of enormous numbers,
the great majority of having a vehicle at all, because that's about the movement, the
suppression of movement.
That's what the 15 minute, 20 minute cities, or even talk about 10 minute, five minute
cities now is all about.
I hadn't heard the five minute city yet, I'll be honest.
Yeah, I saw a video the other day in which they were showing some newspaper headlines in which the five minute city was actually mentioned.
Of course, if you're under house arrest, you're in a no minute city, of course.
But then what's the other thing about electric vehicles?
Well, the vehicles that are meant to exist are autonomous.
You don't drive them, they drive you.
So you're talking about autonomous taxis and stuff like that.
It's the only way people, anybody's going to get about because they won't have any cars in this world that they want to create.
And so if you have a petrol and diesel vehicle, you can't make that autonomous.
You have to be an electric vehicle.
So the whole thing is run by electricity and computers.
And the idea is that and this connects into this whole area of Retreating into cities, mega, mega cities, and denying access to the rural areas under things like the Wildlands Project and stuff like this that I was talking about in the books back in the 90s.
And so if you're going to deny people access outside the cities to the rural areas, Which is the idea.
Then you just make sure the computers on the autonomous cars won't take anybody there.
That's what it's about.
Oh, I want to go here.
Well, you can't go there.
You've got an electric diesel vehicle.
You start it up and you drive where you want to go.
But under autonomous vehicles, the computer will decide where you can go or not.
That's all part of it.
So there's another area that Elon Musk is massively involved in.
And like you say, he talks about AI being such a danger, and then starts yet another company based on AI as a rival to this chat.
And this is the point.
He is, he is there, I would strongly suggest, to appear to be, quote, one of us.
And to hold that line of here and no further.
And so people will say, I'm sure people will be watching this and saying, well, what about Twitter then?
What about Twitter?
He's taken over Twitter and he's let people back on.
Okay.
Yeah, but first of all, if you want to make someone appear to be one of us, well, that's the thing you would do.
But I've got some questions about that.
These much lauded by the alternative media, Twitter files, What did they reveal?
They revealed that the Deep State, through the FBI and CIA and government, which are all quoted to support the Wuhan lab leak story, they had complete control of Twitter.
They were deciding what could be posted and what couldn't.
Okay.
Now, what's the goal of this cult, as we see with Facebook, Google, YouTube, all of them?
It's to control information to the point where eventually, as I've been saying for decades, you won't see or hear anything These state authorities don't want you to see and hear.
This is where all the censorship, why all the censorship is going on.
And why is it going?
Because if there's a few of you compared to the target population, you can't control people physically until you get them connected to AI and then you control them physically by controlling the way they think.
Yes.
Until that point's reached, you can't do that.
So how do you do it?
Well, you control their perception, because from their perception will come their behavior.
So where do we get perceptions from?
We get them from information received, which we then form into a perception.
If you can control, to the greatest extent, the information that people receive, you will, to the greatest extent, manipulate their perception of reality
and therefore their behavior.
So they had Facebook still got it, they had Google still got it, but they created it.
They have YouTube and so on and so forth.
And now Twitter, they had that too, had it completely.
I was off it from 2020 onwards, so as soon as I started questioning the COVID narrative.
Now what we're being asked to believe, and this is what the alternative media should be asking,
is these Twitter files confirm that the deep state had complete control of Twitter?
Thank you.
In an agenda which involves the deep state having complete control of the information people receive.
So, question, why would having secured complete control of Twitter, would they not only sell it to free speech absolutist, he claims, Elon Musk, but actually take him to court To force him to do so if he refused.
Why would they want a free speech absolutist taking over Twitter?
Well, they wouldn't.
So obviously, there's another reason why it's happened.
And part of that reason, I think a significant part, is it's giving Musk the credibility of being one of us.
I go to websites that were always questioning Musk, who are now quoting him as if he's a good guy.
Well, look, and I have to be honest here in the sense that I've said I really like the fact that Twitter has free speech.
Allegedly has free speech, although I'm hearing that they're censoring Substack.
You certainly can't post anything from Banned.Video on there.
So I am hearing these things, but I have to always exercise caution with these types of characters.
I can't say for certain, but what I do know is that Elon Musk, his family, and all of his involvement in AI is all very questionable.
So we have to be objective about this.
We have to exercise caution.
David, and I think what you're leading to, and correct me if I'm wrong, but could it be that Twitter has been created to give us a sense that we're winning so that we would back down a little bit?
Well, I think What you do, you look at your ideal world.
Your ideal world, if you're this cult, is that everyone, every single human believes what you tell them.
But you know that's not going to happen.
So.
If they don't believe some of it, that's just not really a problem to you, then OK, we just leave them.
But if they start to get into realms that if more and more people believe it, and by God, if they go any further and find out what's really behind it, then we're in a bit of trouble.
So what are we going to do?
Well, you can censor.
And you can do that quite effectively.
But with your censorship, What you're actually doing is giving more credibility to that you're trying to discredit.
So yes, you want to censor as much as you can, because you don't want people to see what you don't want them to see.
But you know that that's that won't cover the whole deal, because there'll be people that will say, see, they're censoring them.
So I'm going to have another look at what they're saying.
And so what you do then is you try to hold your ground.
You're trying to hold the ground here and no further.
So if people think that Trump is being targeted to stop him becoming president, and so on, and they focus on that, and that's their point of focus, then that's not a problem.
It's not.
It's not a problem that people believe that.
In fact, what it does for the cult is it brings out the people that it wants to target because the Trump phenomenon, although I wouldn't believe a word the man said, personally, has brought out in support of Trump People at various levels of sussing it.
I mean, they still say, I hear still people say, oh, it's the liberal left.
No, it's not.
There is no liberal left.
Just a fascist left.
Now, used to be a liberal left a long time ago.
I grew up in that.
But not anymore.
It's gone.
It's been woke, woke-arised into fascism.
But that's not the whole story.
It's not about Republicans and Democrats or Labor and Conservative.
It's about that which controls both of them.
And so what has happened with the Trump phenomenon is because he is perceived as being a pushbacker on the deep state, it's brought in the support that he's gathered to prominence, to visibility.
those that can see there's something wrong and they don't like it, they don't
want it to happen. I mean the WOKERS, well they've just done, dusted and bought and paid for.
I think a lot of ways people might feel David, what else do I do?
Who else do I support?
You know, people feel like they're stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I've been quite vocal on my dislike, on my complete disagreement with Trump's push for the injections, calling himself the father of the vaccines.
For me, that's unforgivable.
But, did he do a lot of other great things?
Does he say a lot of things that are really hardcore that other politicians don't?
Sure he does, and that's a good thing.
But, I mean, what other alternative people think?
What else can I do?
This is an important point.
Yes, he says a lot of the right things.
But he has a constituency of support that wants to hear those things.
That's the point.
And, you know, speaking and doing are different things.
Now, when you have a president in Trump who has that mentality in his support base, that's skeptical of the state, state authority, deep state and so on, There are limits to what you can do in terms of the cult agenda when you're in office.
Because, you know, if Trump had invaded Iran and he came close to it, they were in the air, the planes were in the air apparently at one point, then he's going to lose his support base.
So he can't do that.
On the other side, you've got Biden, who is the Wokers president.
And he's going to get no pushback from that support base.
He's not.
The pushback he's going to get is from the people that would support Trump.
So we need to just be a bit aware that when a pushbacker president, supported by pushbackers, gets into office, He's not going to be as extreme, because he can't be unless it's his second period in office, and he's got no other election to face, as a woker president like Biden, who can do what he likes without his natural base, becoming terribly upset.
But it's still the level of politics.
What is politics?
Right.
Let's have a look where it came from.
Through great swathes of human history, you had royal control, which was great for the cult because you, and it does go back that far, because you had rule by succession of the same family or rule by war between different families of succession.
On the basis of who had sex with who, in what order.
We still have this in Britain and the Commonwealth, of course, ludicrously.
But then there came a point, as with the sacrifice of people openly, where humanity had reached a point of maturity where it said we're not having this anymore.
We're not having this anymore.
So the cult had a problem.
It had to have another system.
And actually it turned out to be a better system from its point of view, because if you're controlled by a royal dictator, you know you're controlled by a royal dictator.
Much better, because at some point there will be a rebellion against that, eventually.
It may take a long time, but there will be.
Because people know where they stand.
And they know, at least visually, where the control is coming from.
But if you can persuade people that a vote every four or five years is giving them the power to decide who, quote, rules them, rules them.
Who are you?
Oh, I'm a king.
What do you do?
I rule the population.
All right.
And who are you?
Oh, I'm the prime minister.
I am.
Yeah.
What do you do?
I rule the population.
Just I have to persuade them to vote for me every four or five years.
That's the only difference.
So, you know, in a political campaign, there's no contract that says what I say I will do or I will not do, I have to fulfill in office.
They tell you what you bloody like, what you want to hear, what Trump's saying, all the right things.
Oh, yeah, for his support base.
And then you get to office and you do Other things that you say, well, you never said you were going to do this.
Oh, didn't I?
Did I mention that?
And this is how it works.
This is how the political system works.
It's called democracy.
It's called freedom, apparently.
Apparently, you basically have in most countries, two parties, because that's why they create the party system, because parties are controllable.
You vote for individuals based on their individual beliefs and integrity, then You're going to have a diverse parliament.
But what do people say?
Are you going to vote for this man or that man?
Oh, no, I'm going to vote Liberal or Conservative.
I'm going to vote Labour or Conservative.
Well, what about the guy who's standing in your constituency?
Oh, I don't know much about him.
I'm for Labour.
My father was Labour.
His father was Labour.
I'm Labour.
All that stuff you get.
So they don't vote for individuals, overwhelmingly.
They vote for parties.
This is great because they're controllable.
Well, the political party is a hierarchy.
It's a pyramid.
You've got party A and you've got party B. And the top of the party pyramids dictate the policy of the party.
So you're looking at tiny few people, comparatively, at the top of the pyramids of these political parties that are calling the shots.
So you want to stand for office, OK?
So you apply to stand as a member of Parliament.
What you then have to do is to, certainly in Britain anyway, you have to persuade your constituency party in your area that you should be chosen to stand for Parliament.
And so what you have to do is you have to tell the constituency committee What the party wants you to believe, and you do, and you get in, maybe you get voted in.
If you want to get to any high office, you have to go on doing the same.
Because what you must believe is dictated by the party system, not by your individuality.
And if you look around the world, and you overwhelmingly There are some people get through the system here and there, but almost, almost so rare.
You will find that any politician that is speaking their truth and looking at the evidence and the nature of a situation before deciding on his opinion, instead of it being party policy, that becomes his opinion or her opinion.
Then you'll find that they are the ones that are not in high office, that are marginalized by their own party, if they have one, or in a small party that has no chance of forming a government.
We have a guy in Britain, a Conservative MP, at least he was before he lost the whip as they call it, called Andrew Bridget, who started speaking out over the last few months about the death and destruction that's been caused by this fake jab.
And he has been ostracised by his own Conservative Party and by Parliament in general, and of course demonised by the media.
Because they all work as one unit, even though they might not know there is a unit that they're working towards, working for.
So you have people in high office in all these different countries who have got there by repeating the party script and by having no empathy or integrity Because you have to leave both at the door to get to the top of the greasy pole.
You have to be willing to screw and walk over anybody to get there.
That's how it works.
That's in corporate too, by the way.
That's corporate as well for the most part.
Absolutely.
This is the illusion of success, but actually it's full of the same corruption that is within... Yeah, because there's a global structure What happens in politics happens in corporate, happens in the health system, happens in the education system.
It's the same structure.
It's like it is a hologram.
You know, the great thing about holograms, the amazing thing about holograms is every part of a hologram is a smaller version of the whole.
And if you take this whole system globally, All the different constituent parts are smaller versions of the same system.
That's why it all kind of works the same.
But just to finish this point.
So who gets into the top of these parties is decided by his party hierarchy.
Simple as that.
So you then vote for party A and you don't like what they do in office because it's not what they said they do.
And so at the next election, you vote for party B and they get in.
And they do pretty much the same as the other one.
They might use different rhetoric, but basically the outcome is the same.
And so you think, well, I don't like you either.
So how am I going to get rid of you?
Oh, I've got to go back to party A. And this is how it goes.
And what they're doing through this system is buying time.
The more you focus on it, are you going to vote for them or them?
Or what about them?
And what about... Panorama.
One party states.
They're buying time to the point where they can remove politicians altogether, which we're moving towards ever more swiftly.
And I'll give you an example.
I was in Ukraine in 2014, no, 2010.
And the president at the time was a guy called Viktor Yanukovych.
Yanukovych had been rejected after being officially elected.
In 2004, and he was ejected by what was called the Orange Revolution.
And they put him into power, they put his another guy into power.
And they then as the years unfolded in that period in office, they didn't like the other guy and what he did either.
So they got to the next election.
And they thought, well, how do we get rid of this guy?
And the leader of the other party then a chance to form the government.
Was Viktor Yanukovych, who they'd thrown out in a revolution, it says here.
And so here you have someone thrown out in a revolution that's then voted back in because the only way of getting rid of the other guy, this is that this is the straitjacket we call politics, we call political choice.
Now, there is another way.
And that is you don't go down the political route.
What is what is the political route?
What are people that voted for Biden?
Nothing like as many as bloody did, by the way, officially.
Yes.
But look at the people who voted for Biden.
What did they do?
And this is the same with any politician.
They said, OK, we're giving you our power for the next four or five years.
OK, and they go and they do what they bloody want with it, as we've seen.
Then they say, oh no, we've got to get rid of you.
We're having Trump.
And what do they do?
They give Trump their power for the next four or five years.
It happens in every country.
There is another way which says, you're not having my power, Mr. Politician, because I'm having it.
And I will not cooperate.
We as a people will not cooperate with anything you seek to introduce
that erodes our freedom, the freedom of others, without which there is no freedom
if everyone doesn't have it.
And we're not gonna let you transform our world in the way that you want
when it doesn't suit us and we don't want it.
We're not going to cooperate.
This is what we've been encouraging people to do for three years now, David, where we're saying this is the Great Awakening, people are starting to realise what's happening, nowhere near fast enough, let's be honest.
What you're describing is something that we are capable of doing, and yet the backing of the majority simply isn't there.
And I think that's where people say, well, we are saying no, and we'll continue to say no, but as this select few that are actually paying attention to what's really happening are aware, the New World Order is tumbling in.
Yes, exactly.
And I'm watching it.
The point is, though, that if you vote for a politician, nothing's going to change because the system owns them.
Even if you take Trump to be genuine, look at what happened during his period in office.
So, a lot of that, I would suggest, was a brilliant excuse not to do what he said he would do, personally.
And by the way, just on that thing, on that point about Trump, you know, as you well know, the idea is to introduce what they call smart cities.
Oh, these freedom cities?
Freedom cities, yeah.
These are the freedom cities of Trump.
They're the freedom cities of Trump.
They are the resilient cities of the Rockefeller Foundation.
And they are the smart cities of Silicon Valley.
They're all the same city of massive, massive control and imposition.
So you can be at A and you want to go to Z.
And you can do it in various ways to get there, and you can do it through various people to get there.
But you get there.
And the way that I'm describing of non-cooperation, that's the only way this is going to stop.
And therefore, it's not a case of, yeah, but not enough people are doing it.
True.
True.
Point is, If vast numbers of people don't eventually do it, then what is planned is going to happen.
That's it.
I mean, you know, it's a choice.
Humanity is facing a massive choice now.
The thing is, though, that because they've now entered the room, which they did with COVID, and they're now in a race People say, what's happening so fast?
Well, yes, of course, and this is one of the reasons.
Once you enter the room, and more people than ever before, I mean, I've been on this road since 1990, and consciously, and my God, the number of people awakening now is just phenomenal compared to what it was then and for a long time afterwards.
So you've entered the room, you've alerted, because you can't do anything but do that.
More people than ever before that something's not right.
And now what you want to do is you want to get the whole thing locked down.
Literally and figuratively.
Through AI, as fast as you bloody can.
Because the longer you don't do it, the more people are going to wake up.
Because at each point, now we have the 15-minute cities, so on.
And people are going, who weren't before, 15-minute cities?
What's happening?
What do you mean?
Can't drive your car more than twice a month or something, or twice a week, or whatever it is.
Well, zero private... In the latest report, I will say, David, C40, in conjunction with Arup, published that they want zero private vehicle ownership by the year 2030.
That's their progressive goal, and they've got their progressive goals... Sorry, that's their ambitious goals.
They've got progressive goals and ambitious goals.
So, and the mayors who are going to be serving under, you know, the top-down approach, the mayors are going to be incentivized for achieving those progressive, sorry, ambitious goals.
So, you know, forget the electric vehicle where you're able to take two trips.
You're not allowed one.
Yeah, that's the whole point.
This is what I call the totalitarian tiptoe, totalitarian tiptoe.
You, you do it in increments.
So you don't, you don't go to A immediately because that will alert too many people.
You go via, you know, other letters, steps to get there.
I mean, we have a mayor in London called Sadiq Khan, who is turning London by the hour into a 15 minute smart city.
With all these cameras, and it's being justified on vehicle emissions, you know, and Biden's just introduced something seriously imposing greater laws on vehicle emissions.
And this this is because it's a global agenda.
That's why you see it everywhere because it's a global cult playing out through these different Forces so people just they've got a choice to make you know you're going to stand for it are you going to not cooperate with it because once the digital currency is in place where they completely control your money and can control through software what you can purchase and what you can't never mind if you can purchase actually what you can purchase and digital IDs I mean I don't know whether you've seen these
Supermarkets that are starting to emerge, not least in North America, where the food is the goods and food is behind glass doors.
And above the glass doors are facial recognition cameras.
Yes.
And you can't get at the food if your face literally doesn't fit.
Yes.
So this is where it's this is where it's going.
So people have a choice now, and it's not, oh yeah, I'll have to think about it when there's an R in the month and all that stuff.
Now is the choice to make on whether you want this, and more than that, whether you want this even worse for your kids and grandkids.
Well, David, I saw a post which I think is so relevant to what you're saying.
It goes, you know, often people think about CBDCs and the social credit scores and they think, oh, the food, this and that and the other.
You know, people might say, oh, well, my social credit score is going to be good because I'm obedient to the government.
OK, what about no yard sales or markets?
What about no piggy banks?
What about no tipping the waiter or a hairdresser?
What about no giving to the homeless?
What about no giving to busking musicians?
There's none of that.
No selling your unwanted items for cash.
You're not allowed to do that anymore because in this society you're not allowed to make money.
Well, you know, no buying anything with privacy.
There are so many other repercussions to the CBDCs and the social credit scores that people don't really, you know, may not have considered just yet.
It's not only complete control, it's the other joys that we have in life with cash.
Yeah, exactly that.
Exactly that.
and you know what you've just described it's actually worth making this point
people watching this and people not watching this did you did you receive
any notification asking you if you wanted this to happen Anywhere?
Anybody?
Did you get an email?
No!
None!
The population that is being imposed upon by this beyond fascism have not been consulted Have you been consulting about whether petrol and diesel cars should be deleted?
Whether cars in general should be deleted?
No!
No!
So, the question for the... It's a conspiracy theory question.
So, who's deciding it then?
Who is deciding it in a way that it's being planned and proposed all over the world at the same time?
Hello?
But, Stockholm Syndrome.
Yes.
Doesn't need to face the scale of what we're talking about.
Well, I want to ask you... Any excuse to explain it away, except the real one.
Well, yes, and it is a problem that a lot of people face and it's one that I've witnessed myself because I can't even have a conversation with a customer service agent over the phone without telling them the truth, you know, I obsessively interact with everyone.
But I wonder, David, you've been doing this longer than most.
Over the years, as you watch The Awakening happening, What is it that's been successful for people to really go, oh my goodness, this is actually happening?
What tactics are actually successful?
Let's spend the last few minutes talking about that because we need to keep trying.
It's when it affects them.
You know, people tend to get on with their lives.
And if something's happening in another part of the world, well, it's another part of the world, it doesn't affect me.
And interestingly, when they claimed the, quote, virus came out of China, that syndrome was dealt with by the cult itself.
Because people in the West would have said in very large numbers, I heard them say it.
Oh, well, yeah, but it's China, isn't it?
Long way away.
Different culture, strange place.
So what they needed was something that frightened the life out of the West by giving them something that people could relate to in their own lives.
So they gave them Italy.
That's why the so-called frenzy of Covid happened in Italy.
Northern Italy, Lombardy, which is infamous for respiratory disease caused by other things, not least pollution, and where it has one of the oldest populations in the world.
And a lot of 5G towers.
Oh, exactly.
And after the furore that convinced the West, Western public, that maybe lockdown is the only way, because that's what they did in Italy.
To mirror China, which started the blueprint.
The health authorities in Italy admitted publicly that only about 12% of the people they said died of COVID in that period of frenzy actually died of it, I would say.
say it was not 12% even.
But so if you look at that from a communication point of view,
it's when people can see the effect on them.
I mean, some people will awaken anyway because they're concerned about the effects on others.
But those that are more self-centric, how does this affect me?
That's when people start to look up from the game show and the football.
Uh, is when they think, well, this is affecting me.
So you see, this is why the 15 minute, whatever minute cities concept is awakening more and more people.
It's because that is affecting me.
And, you know, if they only realized, uh, you, you concerned about your kids, are you?
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
What about your grandkids?
Oh yeah.
I love my grandkids.
Oh yeah.
I want the best for them.
Well, just have a look at what's in store for them if you sit on your arse with your jelly backbone and your closed eyes and your closed mind and you go on doing nothing about what's happening in the world because they're going to have to take the consequences.
They've done so much to divide us over the past three years, and of course they've been doing it for a very long time, but very successfully over the past three years.
But the one thing that I truly believe humanity can unite over is this attempt to control every aspect of our lives.
You're right, the 15-minute cities are absolutely waking people up.
Central bank digital currencies.
No one wants to be told what they can consume, when, How, you know, they're going to control every aspect of your existence.
How often you can go and visit your mum, for goodness sake.
And if she happens to live outside of your district, oh, too bad, so sad.
You've exceeded your travel kilometres this week.
That is how, that is how this is going to go.
And, you know, for everyone that thinks, well, the government wouldn't restrict me from seeing my mum.
Well, they did already during lockdowns.
And they will under the guise of Too many emissions because it's harming the climate.
So it's quite clear to me where this is going.
You obviously understand what the audience does, but I think we have a really rare, wonderful opportunity right now to wake people up with the things that you're talking about right now.
We do.
And you know, what has been the hardest thing to get across all these decades?
is the scale of evil that we're dealing with.
Now, I define evil as the absence of love, and we're looking at psychopaths on a level that almost are unimaginable.
And if you look at what's called the hair test, named after the guy who developed it, of psychopathic traits, the top two are lack of empathy, deletion of empathy, not lack of it, And lack of compassion.
And so I've always called empathy the fail safe mechanism of human behavior.
Because if you have empathy, if you can put yourself in the feelings of those you're affecting, then that's going to affect your behavior, it's going to impact upon your behavior, what you'll do in relation to them.
But when you have no empathy, I would ask people just to imagine this, you have no empathy, and you can go on.
The internet, YouTube, and you can find diagnosed psychopaths who are openly talking about what it feels like.
Diagnosed narcissists who have many of the same traits.
Yes.
Of what it's like to live without empathy, because narcissism is the same.
And they'll tell you that they have no feelings for anyone and what happens to them.
And so what they have to do is invent them.
They have to act them.
They have to mimic them.
Otherwise, people will think they're very strange, having no emotion about what's happened.
And so the idea that you would jab millions, billions of people with this, this This jab that is designed to either kill them or transform them genetically, with all the emotional and yes, and psychological and health impacts, that you would create a situation of developing hunger and food shortages on purpose, that you would sacrifice children.
To anyone that has a smear of empathy, that is unthinkable and it is unimaginable.
But not for these people.
So that's what we're dealing with.
They don't care what you think.
They don't care how you feel.
They don't care what happens to you.
In fact, they'll get off the worst that what happens to you can be made to be.
This is the mentality we're dealing with.
And so we come back to how we started talking about the demonic, the the djinn, the The Archons, all these different expressions of this unseen force that religions and cultures talk about, the common theme or one of many common themes between them is that they are evil in the sense of what I would say they have no empathy, they have no compassion, they have no
Ability to feel emotionally what humans feel.
And thus, there is no limits to what they will do.
That's what we're dealing with.
And we have to face it.
Not through Stockholm Syndrome.
Oh, they're not so bad, really.
Well, they are, actually.
They're horrific.
And we need to face it.
And we need to realize that a handful, comparatively, of people, demonic or otherwise, Cannot control 8 billion unless the 8 billion cooperate.
So I you know, I say to people yes The people behind it needs exposing The government's actions need exposing.
Yes.
Yes But don't point the finger in one direction because they can only impose it because you will have it imposed and We are the victims of our own acquiescence.
And you know, another thing, people say, a few people can't control the world.
It's a doddle.
And if you control certain things, and this is how it works.
If people imagine a pyramid, and at the top of the pyramid are a tiny few people, the inner core of this cult, which you get into one room.
And then as you go down the pyramid, it's in different levels, different higher levels of the hierarchy.
And the process is the same right down to mainstream society, the global population.
It's the level above imposes the level below acquiesces and imposes it on the level below that.
So.
The inner circle of the cult at the top of the pyramid says to the level below it,
this is what is going to happen.
This is what you're going to do.
And it says, okay, and I'll impose that on the next level.
Now, you're not very many levels down from the inner core before you're reaching levels of the pyramid
that have no idea there is an inner core.
All they're doing is being told what to do by the level above them
and imposing it on the level below them.
So how many police officers that police fascistically COVID ever thought about, well, what?
Should I be doing this?
No, you do it because of two things.
Either you believe it, or you're frightened of questioning it because what are the consequences for me?
These are the two mentalities.
I'm questioning belief and acceptance, or I don't want to accept it, but what are the consequences for me?
If not, okay, I will then.
And so you come down the pyramid.
Imposition, acquiescence, imposition, acquiescence, imposition, acquiescence, all the way down.
And then you reach the bottom of the pyramid where the population is.
And if we as a population acquiesce to the imposition of the level above us, which is governments, corporations, and so on, then we complete the circuit of imposition between the inner core of the cult and the population.
Because through this process, What they want the world to be becomes the world of the population.
And so this imposition acquiescence sequence has to be broken.
Now, it could be broken further up the pyramid with people saying, I'm sorry, I'm not doing it.
And some people do do that, but not many.
And you saw that with doctors and nurses and scientists in the COVID era.
Yeah, well, not many trials are there, but never mind, you know.
Well, I've got to do it, I guess.
I mean, what's the consequences for me?
So it's going to be left to the population.
And that's good because there's so many of us to say, no, we're not acquiescing on that last, last point to completion.
between the level imposing upon us governments, corporations, et cetera, and the population.
If we say no there, no, we're not doing it, not doing it, then the cycle is broken.
And that few cannot impose on the many, because the many won't be imposed upon, not doing it, no, no, no, no.
We'll do this if you don't, well, do it then, because I'm not doing it.
And if enough people do that, it's over, game over.
So even now at this late stage, and we are getting there now, late stage, It's still possible to bring the House of Cards down, but only if people grow a pair and open their eyes and realise the full scale of what's going on.
And this is what concerns me about parts of the alternative media, as we've discussed, that if you reach a point of here and no further, you don't get into these deeper areas where it's really coming from, and then you don't We don't have the opportunity of going beyond the symptoms and dealing with the cause, you're dealing with the symptoms.
Biden is not a cause, he's a symptom.
Yes, absolutely.
This is why this conversation has been so powerful, David, because I spoke about this recently and, you know, people, when their bank accounts were threatened, when their livelihood was threatened, even though they instinctively felt it was the wrong thing to go and get the injection, they still went ahead and did it for the sake of feeding their families, right?
because they felt that they had no choice.
That's what they felt.
They did have a choice and, you know, people get upset with me for saying that,
but they had a choice.
And there were other options out there and people, I know many people that lost a lot,
but have come out even better on the other side.
But when you have central bank digital currencies in place and social credit scores and all of that sort of stuff,
there actually is no choice left.
Last time you had a choice and you chose to comply because your income was threatened.
If we allow this next stage to come in, this complete technocratic totalitarian takeover.
That's it.
Choice is gone.
Yes, we'll have a parallel economy for those who've been preparing, I believe.
I plan on taking part in it.
But, you know, it really is completely backed... human beings are completely backed into a corner.
So my question is, the next time they threaten your livelihood, are you going to learn from last time Knowing just how dangerous these people are, which you've highlighted today, which is crucial.
And this is why I think your work over the years has been so important.
For people to see just how far this actually goes, how dark, how deep this is.
Because once you know that, you're more inclined to want nothing to do with it.
And I think that's my key takeaway here from our conversation today, David, I think.
Yeah, the other thing is that people respond differently to situations when they think they have a getaway car, an escape route, and when they don't.
So I've used this analogy over the years.
You're in a situation where there's a big army coming at you.
Actually, in human terms, we're the big army, ironically.
But you've got a big army coming at you.
And you have a way out.
You can run.
You can get away.
So what are you going to do?
Well, you're going to run.
That's what most people would do.
But in this situation, you're in a canyon, a ravine.
There's only one way out, and that's the way they're coming in.
So now what are you going to do?
You've got nowhere to run.
So you've got a choice now.
You're going to lie down and just let them do what they want or you're going to stand up and say, I'm going to have a go.
I'm going to go down fighting if I'm going to go down at all.
And that's where we're going.
That's where we're heading so fast, where people Well, if they if they value freedom in any way whatsoever, are going to have to face what's happening because they're going to be given no other choice but to face it or to accept it.
And if they accept it, then don't complain about what's happening because you are the cause of it.
And this is the other thing is The connection of AI to the human brain, thank you Mr. Musk, very kind, will mean that human thought as we know it, forming human thought, will be history because your perceptions will come from AI.
That's the idea.
And making humans more synthetic is part of that, developing that AI human.
And therefore at that point, you won't even know that you have no freedom.
Because you won't even have any idea what freedom is.
Because AI will be telling you what you think, not you.
And past experience will be deleted.
That's where this is going.
And that's why I say we've got to see the big picture of this, because if we just stay on the level of politics and who's going to win and who isn't going to win, well, that's just literally moving the deck chairs on the Titanic.
So it's a choice time.
It's a choice time.
But to grasp the scale of it is to influence the choice because you realize there is no way out of this except us creating a way out.
Yes.
And that's where we're at and that's where we'll be and we'll see where it goes.
But I mean, I do have a little bit of a different perspective because I started out when no one wanted to know.
In 1990, I mean, just forget it.
No one wanted to know.
Well, that's not the case now.
I mean, compared with then, the wake up is phenomenal globally.
And we just need to move from seeing it to ceasing to cooperate with it.
That's the crucial move.
Oh, I can see what they're going to do next.
Yeah, OK.
So cross the street and stop it then by refusing to comply with it.
We are starting to see that.
We are starting to see more people do that.
But it has to be vastly greater than it is because the system can't cope.
There's a video on the internet, on YouTube, that's been there for a long, long time.
It's called The Tiny Dot.
I would just say to people, go and have a look, put in The Tiny Dot.
And what it does, it's just talking about the IRS in America and the population, but it's fundamentally the same as what I'm describing.
And what it does, it has this tiny, tiny dot Which is authority.
And it has this vast population, which the tiny dot is telling what to do and what's going to happen.
And the cooperation of the massive population to what the tiny dot says, means the tiny dot decides what happens to the massive population.
And if it didn't, the tiny dot would have no power whatsoever.
None.
What power does Daniel Andrews have if the population of Victoria say, no, we're not doing it?
Literally none.
Literally none.
Yes, absolutely.
And I agree.
Their power is the power we give them.
It's time to take it back.
And then the house of cards will come down because it is a house of cards and who's holding it together?
We are.
I agree with you, David.
And I think the key point is that we have to be aware of just how severe it is in order
to be able to take the power back.
For example, people say to me, well, just don't comply.
OK, the United Nations have just proposed that Antonio Guterres would be the dictator
of the world any time there's a so-called emergency and they establish their emergency
platform and they call in new world order goons from foreign countries to come to your
country and deal with your noncompliance.
So we are speedily progressing towards a place where noncompliance is no longer an option
without punishment or what they call accountability.
Now, you know, the role of independent media, and I really respect that you brought this up, the role of an independent media is to push those boundaries that the mainstream wouldn't stop being entertainment, and really expose what's really going on, alert the public en masse to this, And let's actually get a proper resistance happening, rather than people who just look at this and think it's crap.
But let it happen anyway, you know?
And I'll tell you what, and I'll say it now, the people in my audience aren't that way at all.
They are some of the most active, mobilised people when it comes to, you know, action that needs to happen.
And I'm so grateful for them.
But there are people out there that are just observers, and the time for that is really over.
David, thank you so much for everything that you've done over the years for bringing this conversation to light.
I really appreciate it.
It's not one that I've had with anyone else in the alt media space, so definitely something for all of us to consider and I'm sure we'll speak to you again in the future.
Yeah, I hope so.
And it's been a pleasure to talk to you.
Thank you very much.
You can see all of David's work on ICONIC.com.
You can see that at the bottom of your screen right now.
And make sure to check out all of David's documentaries over the years.
He's done a phenomenal job.
Thank you again, David.
Thanks, mate.
Bye.
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