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Feb. 2, 2023 - David Icke
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What to expect in 2023 - David Icke
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And they were systematically feeding off human emotional energy.
And he coined the phrase for this energy of Loosh.
L-O-S-H, Loosh, and that humanity was basically a Loosh machine for this non-human force that was feeding off that energy.
Just for understanding, is it is it only negative emotions or is it also because in your work you say when we are in let's say high vibration and joy and love they cannot We are in fact unplugged from them.
So they need negative emotion in order to be fed.
Is that what you're saying?
From what I kind of understand and what, you know, Monroe was writing about all those years ago, they can feed to an extent of all energy to an extent but
it's negligible when compared with low vibration emotion which is what they actually are
looking for.
Hello everyone this is Baptiste Papp and today I have a treat for you.
I love this man.
This is the third time that I have the privilege and honor to interview him.
His name is Mr. David Eick and the first time I interviewed him was exactly 13 years ago in the beautiful city of Amsterdam and now we are here.
And Mr. David Icke has written over 20 books and has spoken all over the world.
And his latest book is called The Trap.
And recently, Mr. Icke has been banned from entering the Netherlands for two years.
And Mr. Icke, it's so good to see you.
How are you?
I'm good, yeah, despite everything.
So how does it feel to have the honor to be banned from the Netherlands?
Well, I think it's a sign of the times, but it's also a sign of where the power really is.
We are told that this global network, which has its tentacles in every country, not least the Netherlands, through people like Mark Rutter and the Dutch royal family, is all-powerful.
But that's not been my experience.
The power that this network has is only the power that the human race gives it every day in the form of acquiescence.
And, you know, I'm a guy.
I'm one guy.
I'm not part of any organization.
I'm not someone who calls for violence.
Never been violent.
I abhor violence.
And somehow this one guy is such a threat to the Dutch government, the Dutch system, and the system of which the Dutch government is a part globally, that they not only banned me from the Netherlands for agreeing to speak at a peace rally in Amsterdam, But they also wangle it so that I'm banned from 26 European countries.
And of course, there's a lot of other countries outside the Schengen system, like the United States, that use the Schengen system as their criteria for whether they let you in or not.
So I'm actually banned from a lot more countries than even the 26.
And it just shows you they're terrified.
Of one guy.
Why?
Because of what I'm saying.
The whole foundation of this global conspiracy and this attempt to introduce this global dystopian society is control of human perception.
And you control human perception by controlling what people hear.
From which they form those perceptions.
This is where all the censorship's coming from now.
And they know that their narrative is so ludicrous, so unsupportable by the evidence, that the only way to defend it is to stop alternative information being heard by the public.
And this is where it's all coming from, this censorship.
Very enlightening, my interaction with the Dutch authorities in terms of how controlled it is and also how unbelievably incompetent and stupid it is.
I'll give you a couple of examples.
There's a great guy in In the Netherlands called Mordecai and the group of lawyers that he works with, they do fantastic work.
And when I was banned from these 26 countries, they went to work to challenge the government's decision And the first stage of it, and it is only the first stage, was to, I understand that you call them district judges, to go in front of a district judge.
Now, if you remember, the basic foundation coming from government, coming from the media, otherwise coming from the government in other words, coming from man and a dog organizations like this CIDI organization in the Netherlands.
was that I shouldn't be allowed to come because I'm an anti-Semite and a Holocaust denier.
Now, of course, that's used all the time on multiple people because it's extremely emotive and can attract a lot of aggressive response to the person who's accused of it.
That's the idea.
That's why they use it.
And it happens all the time.
They also do it with Marshall Messing.
I mean, you know him quite well, I think.
Yeah, they do it with Marshall Messing.
But I'll give you another example.
In this country, in Britain recently, a member of Parliament in the ruling Conservative Party, although he's not in the government, called Andrew Bridgen, has at last been a politician in Britain who's stood up in Parliament And called out this fake vaccine, this fake mRNA fake vaccine, that's not a vaccine by any other previous criteria, in terms of all the death and health destruction that it has been causing.
Yes.
And what he said on Twitter was that a consultant cardiologist had said to him That this fake vaccine is basically the biggest crime against humanity since the Holocaust.
Now, it turns out, they didn't know this at the time when they turned on him, that that cardiologist is an Israeli Jewish guy, right?
It's his quote.
Yes.
But it doesn't matter because what they had here is, look, We've got this guy in Parliament now standing up.
Because he's in Parliament, they can't hide it.
He's talking about the fake vaccine.
He's saying it's dangerous.
He's saying how many people it's killed.
Yes.
So we don't really want to take him on on that because that will start a debate about the fake vaccine.
So he said, no, he was quoting the Israeli Jewish cardiologist who said that this is the biggest crime against humanity since the Holocaust.
So we'll go with that.
So the whole focus of attention by the system, including his own party and the Prime Minister Sunak, And a guy called Matt Hancock, who is responsible for enormous numbers of deaths in this country, when he was health secretary during the COVID lockdowns and the rollout of the fake vaccine.
And the opposition parties, if you can call them that, all of them focused on this guy and called him an anti-Semite for Invoking the Holocaust.
He didn't.
The cardiologist from Israel did.
So you see how it's used.
Now, where I'm going with this is that that drove the response from the unthinking, unquestioning, fake, radical left, which actually calls itself anti-fascist while it acts like it.
Yes.
To attack me and say there'll be trouble if he's allowed to speak in Dam Square.
Okay, so that's what happened and then the government came out eventually and said because of the furore that's been created by your visit, brackets, the furore that we created through ourselves and the media.
We can't allow you to come because you're a threat to the safety of society, basically.
And so you're not only banned from the Netherlands for two years, you're banned from 26 European countries.
Okay, so that was the first stage.
But then, thanks to Mordecai and these great lawyers, we went to this district court, I think they call it, and this district judge heard an appeal And the government lawyer turns up in his fancy dress, and he then makes his case for why the government was right to ban me.
Now, what kind of hit you when he started, and he didn't speak for long, was that he never mentioned Holocaust denial or anti-Semitism.
Why?
Because they can never make it stand up.
And so he went on the basis of, this man is questioning government, therefore he's anti-government, he's a conspiracy theorist, which means that he's anti-government, and he's anti-democracy.
As I said in my reply in that case, I'm not anti-democracy, I just like some And the sinister thing about that hearing is you sat there, and we run it live through our website, and you knew no matter what evidence was put forward, and the government put nil forward of any credibility, the judge's decision was already made.
So, a few days later, you know, you're waiting for the response, but you know what's coming.
And the judgment was that the government was right to say that I was a conspiracy theorist, and thus was justified in banning me.
Which was an unbelievable precedent in that if you question government, stage one, you're a conspiracy theorist, stage two, a term that was brought into widespread use by the CIA in the 1960s, by the way.
Yes.
Thirdly, if you are a conspiracy theorist, then it's okay to ban you from a country, indeed, 26.
Yes.
And then the Immigration Department was challenged.
Now, this was hilarious, mate.
I've got to tell you this one, so that people in the Netherlands can see the almost laughable nature of their government.
Yes.
So we go to another one.
Again, I'm not even allowed in the country to appear at these hearings.
I'm too dangerous.
So we're going to do this Zoom thing with the Immigration Department, where the Immigration Department is going to Investigate if the immigration department was right in banning me.
I'm not kidding me.
I'm kidding you.
That's what it was.
So there's Mordecai and he's my lawyer and there's me and we're on Zoom in vision and we're waiting for it all to start and then up comes this blank Zoom screen and a voice starts speaking.
No face, no name, and it's someone from the Immigration Department who says that they're not going to allow themselves to be seen.
And by the way, this is a meeting that, according to the Immigration Department, was not allowed to be recorded and circulated, so no one's going to see it.
And this blank screen starts speaking.
And it says that they're not going to allow their face to be seen or their name to be known for whatever reason.
I guess, you know, frightened of this terrorist David Icke, I suppose.
And then another blank screen comes up and it's the interpreter lady who's going to interpret the interchange.
And they said that her identity would not be allowed to be known either.
Except that although she had a blank screen, her name was in the middle of it, right?
And then after about, oh, just a few minutes of this starting, the interpreter lady said, I'm sorry, I can't cope with this.
I can't do this anymore, right?
So she disappears.
And then the other voice on the other black screen says, you've got to give us some time to sort this out.
So they go away.
They said there'd be 10 minutes.
They were over an hour, as I remember.
Three of us are chatting, my lawyer and Mordecai and me, and almost incredulous that we're actually experiencing this total incompetence.
And then what was going to happen is the voice on the black screen was going to ask me questions.
Well, at the time she came back, she dropped that idea and said, just make your statement.
And then they said, well, towards the end of January, we'll give a decision.
Well, we know what that decision is going to be because it's the Immigration Department investigating the Immigration Department to see if the Immigration Department was right.
Yeah.
And, you know, I've been saying for decades now that this world is run or controlled by psychopaths and run by idiots.
And this seems to be the dynamic In government, wherever you look.
Incompetence, which masks behind the scenes, cold calculation.
Yes.
Mr. Eyck, the great soccer player Johan Cruyff, you are very well aware of him, I think.
He said, every disadvantage has an advantage.
And what I've seen, And also with what's happening to you right now, you being banned from entering the Netherlands.
Can you see any advantages?
Because I noticed that more and more people start to know who you are now because of this happening.
How do you feel about this?
Oh, yes, absolutely.
I mean, this is the point, you know, that I would strongly make to people.
Silence is compliance.
And if you edit or censor yourself because you worry about the consequences of not doing so, it's a massively important way of handing your power, handing the power of the people, to authority.
This is why authority actually has no power except the acquiescence of the people, which is the power that we give them.
If you just speak your truth and keep speaking it, well, they don't know how to handle you.
For instance, the response to me over the Dam Square event, I was going to go there and speak for about 20 minutes, half an hour and come home.
And I would have been seen by the people that turned up and then I'd have disappeared because the media wouldn't have covered it.
And that would have been it.
But instead, they, I can only say, panicked and went for this ridiculous response, which, as you quite rightly say, has just put what I'm saying even more into the public arena, massively more than it would have been otherwise.
You know, I'd also say this.
I've traveled to something like 60 countries over the last 30, 33 years.
And so I've seen media all over the world.
I've seen the New Zealand media, which is unbelievably bad.
But right up there, and the British media is appalling.
But right up there is the Dutch media.
I'm talking about the mainstream media.
Absolutely.
It's, it is.
I just wonder, What self-respect, there can't be any left, that these people in the media have when they are, as one unit, just repeating propaganda coming from authorities.
Yes.
Without question.
And even if they don't believe it, they still say it.
Yeah.
And how, you know, During that whole period of two to three weeks of utter hysteria over me in the Netherlands, not one media organization in the Netherlands, mainstream media, came to me to ask for a single comment to give my side of what was going on.
It was all one narrative against me.
And I think, you know, I learned a long time ago That you can't please everybody, so just pursue the truth, and what that pleases you'll please, and what the people that don't please, that it won't please.
But pursuit of the truth of what's going on, just let that be your guide, and not worry about what people think of you.
But there are two types of people, very clearly now, becoming clearer all the time.
And that's those that just believe what they're told without question.
We saw a lot of that in the networks over that period.
But there's another mentality that looks at over-the-top responses and attacks on someone and says, well, hold on a minute.
Why are they going so over the top?
What is it about this guy?
Why are they so desperate to demonize this guy?
And that mentality is the one that says, well, I'm going to have a look at what he's saying, but then sees what they hadn't seen before.
And I think there's a lot of that going on in the Netherlands, for sure.
Yes, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I know you've been you know, speaking in the Netherlands, I think at least the
past 20 years without any problems.
And what I noticed, I mean, I've been following you now for 20 years, you and your work. And
13 years ago, it was quite easy, you know, to get access to you.
And now the past three years, I've seen that you have become more visible and more well-known.
So, because of all the things that are happening in the world with the C-virus and so on and on, people are waking up because people feel intuitively something is off.
So I think there is a bigger interest right now in your work than, let's say, 10, 12 years ago.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
And I think you've hit a very important point there.
Even those people who don't delve into the information and see the names, dates, places, cross-reference, evidence for what's actually happening, they do have this feeling That something's not right.
And funnily enough, just before COVID, that's kind of funny when I think back, just before the COVID card was played, I did say, you know, that I've got to get out there because I'm seeing that more and more people are Feeling instinctively that the world's not right, there's something wrong.
You know that scene in the Matrix movie where I think it's the Trinity character is saying to Neo, or one of the characters is saying to Neo, about you know instinctively basically something's not right.
It's like a splinter in your mind.
And I think a lot of people have We're starting to go through that even before the COVID era.
But once that kicked off and the fascistic response kicked in worldwide, coordinated, a heck of a lot more people started to see there's something going on here and it's not good.
So it's more difficult now, if you think I know that the World Economic Forum and Klaus Schwab, they're gophers.
It's still a gopher level.
Absolutely.
Of the global cult.
Very influential in the Netherlands with people like Mark Rutte, of course.
But even that gopher level was not really known by many people, if you take the world population of 8 billion.
But now it's out there.
And now you've got mainstream media outlets trying to defend the World Economic Forum.
I would like to say something about this.
This has been all over the mainstream media, but they have this gathering in Davos every year.
And in the mainstream media in the Netherlands, everyone was talking about the fact that airplanes full of prostitutes were being flown into Davos.
For, you know, the WEF people.
What about that?
I mean, that's so crazy.
That's in the news.
Everybody's talking.
What's the reasoning behind that?
Yeah, well, you know, the World Economic Forum, thanks to the alternative media around the world, is now known by a lot of people compared with just not very long ago.
And, you know, it's appearing in the mainstream media in places like, you know, the Fox News Channel in America, for instance, talks about the World Economic Forum very openly now.
And it's manipulation, not the level that it's really going on, but that level of the World Economic Forum.
And so the mainstream media, and I saw that with this recent Davos meeting, can't completely ignore it anymore.
They've got to acknowledge it's going on.
And so they pick topics that That they can go with without talking about the real important things, which is that it's manipulating in part of a network that's manipulating a truly, truly dystopian society.
In which there will be literally no freedom, even freedom of thought, eventually, if we allow this to continue for much longer.
So it's again, it's a good sign that the World Economic Forum is no longer in the shadows.
I remember long ago, because I've been doing this a long time, very relevant to the Netherlands, of course, that it was a similar situation with the Bilderberg Group.
You know, when I... Started by Prince Bernhard.
Yeah, when I first came across the Bilderberg Group, named after the Bilderberg Hotel in the Netherlands, then this was the 1990s, well back in the 1990s, and almost no one had heard of it.
In those days, there was a guy called, in America, an alternative journalist called Jim Tucker, I'm sure his name was, and what he would do is, send out a Ryan Robbing email to people who subscribe to
his his network and tell them he was the guy he obviously had a very good contact inside
the American government that was feeding him the locations of the Bilderberg meetings
and every year just like the World Economic Forum in Davos, but they go to different places
and who was going to be there and what the topics were going to be of discussion.
And And so I was invited out of the blue, talk about the synchronicity in my life, it just goes on all the time, by a couple of friends in southern Switzerland, near the Italian border, to go there for a week's holiday with my family.
So we went over and it was great.
And then as soon as I got there, came around Robin, Email from Jim Tucker saying the Bilderberg meeting this year is in a place called Bergenstock, I think it was called, in Switzerland, which was about a couple of hours drive from where I was.
So I drove up there.
This is when Bilderberg is really only known by people who are seriously interested in investigating the conspiracy.
And I went there and it was Very, very expensive hotels.
One was called the Palace and there was another one.
And you went up there and you went up the mountain, the big long road up the mountain.
And it was the day before the the elite arrived and they were putting up the fences and all the people, the security guards were there and everything.
And then I went away and I came back on the last day of the Bilderberg meeting.
And I couldn't even get on the mountain.
As I turned onto the road to go up towards the mountain, there was a roadblock, Swiss police.
And it was interesting because this was put up in about 1995, I think.
I said to the guy, what's the problem?
He says, oh, there's an important meeting going up where you're not allowed to go up there.
I said, well, who is it?
And he hadn't got a clue.
And this is where the compartmentalization of how it works.
He's just told no one goes up the mountain.
He has no idea why.
He's just doing what he's told and this is how it works.
But now, of course, as a result of the alternative media, as the years have gone on, Bilderberg has become so widely known that it really is a lot less important in the whole cult scheme of things than it used to be.
And basically, the World Economic Forum seems to have taken its place.
Yes, yes.
Now it's being exposed.
So, you know, there's a lot of encouraging things going on, as well as challenges.
Absolutely.
Mr. Eyck, last time we spoke, I think it was a year ago also over Zoom, we spoke about The Spider and how the cult is running everything like, let's say, a McDonald's franchise.
And what I noticed now, I mean, I've been following your work for 20 years, but I noticed there's a new generation of young people With discovering your work and through the years, of course, I saw you in Maastricht in the Netherlands and you spoke about, you know, the history of all of this because this current situation is not new in a way.
It's only becoming more obvious, but there is a much bigger picture and I would like to talk a little bit about it because I noticed there's a new generation of younger people in their 20s.
That it's only focused on the current situation.
And I also have been reading, of course, the work of Jordan Maxwell, who passed last year under very difficult circumstances.
They took everything away from him.
He was in L.A.
without anything.
And people really had to help him.
And he died under very dire circumstances in a hospital.
And I recently read a book from Mauro Biglino.
He's an official Bible translator from the Vatican.
And he is, in a way, undressing the Bible.
The original Bible was written in Hebrew.
And in the Old Testament, he speaks about mysterious beings, special and powerful ones that appeared on Earth.
And when I read that, and of course also the work of Erich von Däniken and Sigaris Sitchin, The Twelfth Planet, I realized that, of course, the Darwin theory is not right.
Can you help us?
Can you talk a little bit about how, about the bigger picture and what has been going on for hundreds of years now, or maybe thousands of years?
Whoa, where to start?
Because, you know, I've been on a journey since 1990.
Yes.
Of just expanding and expanding and expanding my research and knowledge of this conspiracy.
And it's just got bigger and bigger and bigger.
However, I would say, before people say, well obviously then there's nothing we can do, that every single level depends on human acquiescence to this force.
Every level.
This force in the background cannot just take over.
There's not enough of it.
What they have to do is manipulate humanity to act in ways that allows them to take over and even agrees for them to take over.
And one of the things that I, one of the phrases I coined in the 1990s was problem, reaction, solution.
Create the problem.
Tell the public the version of the problem lies that you want them to believe about why the problem has happened and who's responsible.
And you want the people to respond at stage two with a reaction of fear of outrage that demands that you, who've covertly created the problem, do something.
And then at stage three, you offer the solution to the problems you have.
Created.
And people then, in great numbers, accept your solution because of the problem which you've manufactured.
Doesn't always have to be a problem, only the perception of one.
And thus they are reluctantly, maybe, but still agreeing that this solution has to happen.
Oh, we don't really want it.
But what else can you do in the circumstances?
So in that way, in many other ways, human perception is being manipulated to either accept what is imposed upon them, or sees no other Solution other than that one that is suggested to it's fraudulent.
It's like selling people a fraudulent contract by not telling them the true background before they sign.
But it's it's manipulating people to basically go with it.
And so If they could just take over, they would have done a long time ago.
They can't.
They have to do it without acquiescence.
For instance, if you want to connect, as they do, openly talking about it, the human brain to artificial intelligence, Then you can't tell them that it's so that their perceptions and their emotions and their thoughts will come direct through AI and human perceptions and thoughts and emotions that we know them will be history.
You can't tell them that because they'd say we're not doing it.
What you sell them is that if you have this Technology that connects you to AI.
You can become like the gods.
You can go on to a whole new level of potential and ability and knowledge.
Oh, yeah.
Well, I'll have some of that then.
But that's not why they're doing it, of course.
At the same time, sorry to interrupt you, at the same time, you've been saying all the time, we are already infinite intelligence having a human experience.
So why would we need AI?
Exactly.
Well, why we need AI in the agenda sequence is to stop us accessing that infinite intelligence that is open to us.
The whole foundation of the conspiracy is holding us in a five sense level of perception.
And if they can connect the brain to AI, and of course people like Elon Musk of this company Neuralink to do just that, there are many others too, then they can stop us having any thoughts or connection to the greater infinite intelligence because Our perceptions will come direct from AI, and the AI perceptions won't be perceiving that there is an infinite intelligence to tap into.
So, that's the reason the whole foundation, like I say, of the conspiracy is to stop us tapping into that infinite intelligence, and to enslave us, to imprison us in the The human level of the mind, if you like.
And so then, you know, the sequence that I've been through is this.
First of all, after 1990, when my head blew off and I started on this journey, I was coming across information about how the world is controlled by very different forces to those that seem to be, like Prime Ministers, Presidents, etc.
This went on and Then I started thinking, well, when did this start?
It can't have been recently, because they can't have built this system, this network of control, in a few years.
So when did it start?
And I started going back and looking for it.
And I got comfortably back to Babylon through the Roman Empire, such like.
I started to see that there was this network that was on a journey of expanding its reach from – well, you can go back to Babylon and Sumer, both of which were in what we now call Iraq.
But it goes back further, but it's a good place to pick up.
And you can then go take it forward through the Roman Empire, which moved up into northern Europe, and then through the European empires massively, not least the British Empire.
Of course, the Dutch had an empire as well.
And this cult was able to go global then.
And there was a point where the former colonies of the European powers, in other words, the cult powers,
apparently rolled back their control of those countries.
But that's not what happened.
They left out in those countries, the former colonies, the network and particular family bloodlines
that serve the cult.
And they went on and have gone on controlling those countries ever since.
We then went into what we call globalization, which is what, the centralization of global power
in every area of our lives.
And it's a simple thing.
If you're a few compared with the target population, which this cult is,
you have got to centralize decision-making because the more you centralize decision-making,
the more power the few have over more and more and more.
So globalization is centralizing power over all these different areas of human life.
Then, of course, we had the European Union, which is absolutely a cult creation.
I've written about this extensively in past books.
You can pick the European Union up at least in the 1920s when it was being orchestrated.
And what is that?
It's the centralization of power.
If you look at the European Union, you've got unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.
Never mind the European Parliament, that's just for window dressing so they can claim it's democratic.
And the bureaucrats in Brussels are deciding what happens to the entirety of the countries of the European Union.
So what we've seen is this cult has been centralizing power in every area it can, so the few can dictate to the many.
So now you have European Union-wide laws in which the few at the center of the EU are imposing their will upon the entirety of the countries of the EU.
And so then we have reached the point now Where it is a global cult, and it is centralizing power globally.
So after the Second World War, you had the Bretton Woods Agreement, you had the IMF, you had the World Bank, you had the World Trade Organization, the World Health Organization, the United Nations.
These are all globally centralizing bodies to put the power over these different areas of human life.
Basically under one roof.
And we've reached the point now where that power is global to the point where they're moving towards playing this global society, this dystopian global society.
So I saw how this cult had come out over the years and grabbed more and more power.
But then there was another point, which was, okay, so people have been born into this cult, they've played their part in advancing its agenda over thousands of years, and then they've died, and others have come in, and they've played their part, and then they've died, and others have come in.
And I thought there has to be a coordinating force Which spans this whole story.
So do you believe it's the same people incarnating in different bodies over and over again?
Well, that is certainly part of it.
But I was looking for a coordinating force.
And this is way back now.
And so I started because you think, well, OK, this has been going since the ancient world.
It must have been mentioned.
Through what we call history.
It must have been mentioned by the different cultures around the world.
The native cultures and what have you, the ancient cultures.
And you find that it was when you do the research.
Like with the work of Credo Mutua.
Yeah, Credo Mutua was one source.
He talked about the Chitauri, a reptilian, obviously non-human race that was manipulating humanity from the hidden.
But then you look at the common themes across many different belief systems.
It's one of the things I'm looking for.
I'm looking for patterns and I'm looking for common themes that that jump different belief systems.
You can see different or the same theme running through what apparently are completely different belief systems.
And in many ways they might be, but these common themes are that like cement.
So you look at Christianity and it talks about demons.
What are demons?
Demons in Christian terms are a non-human force that's manipulating human society and humans from the hidden.
Then you look at Islam and they talk about the jinn manipulating from the hidden.
You look at the Gnostic writings from what was found in an earthen jar in in Nag Hammadi in 1945, which is being estimated to have been put in that jar about 400 AD.
And the Gnostic people, they were kind of, you might call them semi-Christian, they had Christian themes, but many differences.
And these writings, the Nag Hammadi library has become that.
Talk at length about an unseen force they call Archons, which is Greek for rulers.
They say these Archons were hidden rulers who were manipulating human society from the hidden.
And indeed created this very reality we call the human world.
They say that these archons made a quote, fake copy of prime reality, what we would call a virtual reality copy.
That's what we would call it.
I've got some very thick books at home.
of translations of the Nagamati texts.
And when you read them, this fake copy they're talking about, we would absolutely call today a virtual reality simulation.
Yes.
And Mr. Ek, do you feel that we were here as, let's say, Neanderthals, Homo erectus, and they came and they did genetical engineering on us?
Or is that a different story?
Well, I think the genetic engineering has certainly happened.
And I think there's a lot more to know about that and the whole official history of this world.
But the human body has been created as the vehicle that interacts with the simulation.
Just after the turn of the millennium, I just got this overwhelming feeling, intuitively you might call it, that we live in a simulation and the limit of the simulation at this level is the speed of light.
And I wrote about this and in those days I could only find one other person who was talking about this reality being a possible simulation and that was a guy called Nick Bostrom at Oxford University who sees the simulation in a different way to me but he was talking about that and what I've seen since the turn of the millennia to now is more and more mainstream scientists coming out and saying it does look like this is a simulation
Because if you take the simulation hypothesis, it does explain an enormous number of what are otherwise mysteries and unexplainable.
And in 2021, in the spring of 2021, an article appeared in the Scientific American, mainstream
science magazine in America, by an academic who said that he concluded that the reality is a
simulation, and that the limit of the simulation at this level, I would say, is the speed of light.
Yeah.
And what he did was connect the speed of light to processing speed.
As he pointed out, you know, when you are writing the rules of a virtual reality game, by the way, the rules of this virtual reality is what we call the laws of physics.
And the reason they can be overridden is because they only operate at one level.
And this is why when people have what they call near-death experiences, they talk about a completely different realm with a completely different physics.
And what he was saying is you can write the rules of your virtual reality game, but you're still going to be limited By the processing speed you're dealing with.
And he likened the speed of light to the processing speed.
I've been saying since, well, you know, 25 years, must be.
The speed of light is a myth in terms of it being the fastest speed possible.
I wanted to ask that.
I have friends who are saying that Einstein was a fraud.
What is your view, your take on Einstein?
Well, I think Einstein said many things that were supportable.
I mean, one quote he said was that we've got everything about matter wrong.
Matter is merely energy reduced to a low frequency, paraphrasing.
So, you know, he said many things that were correct, but I think he said many things that weren't correct as well.
Was he being used for a larger agenda?
Well, I mean, he could have been.
I don't know, but he certainly said some things that weren't true.
I mean, he pushed back massively on the now provable reality of the quantum world in many ways.
But he was on a number of things as well.
I think the man who was much further ahead than Tesla, Einstein was Nikola Tesla, who realized a lot more about the nature of this reality than Einstein.
Isn't it ironic that Elon Musk hijacked that name Tesla?
Yeah, but I mean, you know, nothing about Elon Musk is to be taken on face value.
I mean, you will see even the alternative media say that he's a co-founder of Tesla.
He never was.
He was founded before he got involved and he manipulated the founders out of the game and part of that deal was that he would be able from then on to call himself a co-founder of Tesla, which he never was.
His whole background is is full of is full of deceit.
He gets enormous funding from from, let's say, the government, quote unquote.
I mean, billions.
So he must have very powerful friends.
Mr. Musk.
Well, I mean, if you want to talk about Musk, I mean, it's it's an interesting story.
First of all, you're absolutely right.
His company's survive and prosper from massive government money input, in other words, from the people.
And when you look at this cult agenda, his companies are advancing, every company he's got is advancing an element of it.
I've mentioned Neuralink.
He came out a few years ago and said AI could be the end of humanity.
He also said, by the way, long after I did, that there's a very good chance that this is a simulation.
I would say that from the level of the network that Musk comes from, he knows it's a simulation.
But then you have SpaceX, which is in the process Of putting tens of thousands of low orbit satellites up to beam Wi-Fi, 5G, 6G, 7G eventually, at the Earth to cover every inch of the Earth with what they call the cloud.
This is very much connected to this whole AI takeover.
And then you've got Tesla, which is promoting massively the electric car agenda, which is
nothing to do with what they claim it is.
Electric cars are not being introduced, indeed, imposed to save the planet.
What they want, again I've been writing about this for a long time, is the population isolated
in sectors where you can't really leave one sector.
This is where the working from home and a lot of that stuff is coming from.
It's a 15 minute city there, Wanda.
Yeah, I'm going to a protest in Oxford shortly, early February, because that's what they're proposing there for 2024, which is You will be confined to a 15 minute community where they say everything you need will be within 15 minutes walk or cycle ride.
And you'll only be allowed to leave by car about 100 times a year.
And you'll be fined every time you leave more often.
I mean, this is straight off the script and the playbook of the World Economic Forum.
And so that's the idea, to break up people into sectors.
And you know, the world they want to create, I've been calling for a long time now, the Hunger Games Society, after the movies.
And if you look at that movie trilogy, you had the Capitol, where the elite lived in high-tech luxury.
And then you had the people, the population in sectors that weren't allowed to interact with each other, that were living in abject poverty and serving the interests of the elite.
That's basically the format of where they want to take the world.
And so the electric vehicle agenda is very different to what they're telling us.
What they're saying is, we're going to replace petrol and diesel vehicles with electric.
Well, first of all, they're saying because electric saves us from the evil of carbon dioxide, which is actually the gas of life without which we'd all be dead.
And yet, I mean, it's like, Sometimes you just think, can I burst your bubble or not?
Because people say to you, I've got an electric car, I've gone green.
And you say to them, well, where do you think the electricity is coming from that you're putting in your bloody car?
Coming overwhelmingly from fossil fuels, of course it is.
And the idea, when you look at the resources necessary, much of which is under control by China, for these batteries, etc., for these electric cars.
You look at the incredible environmental cost of getting rid of these batteries, because they don't last that long.
They cost a fortune to replace as well.
There's no way in the world That electric cars are going to replace all the current petrol and diesel vehicles.
Not gonna happen.
It's not possible.
Just as, no way, wind turbines and solar panels are going to replace fossil fuels.
Not gonna happen.
If you reduce fossil fuels, or you reduce petrol and diesel vehicles, which they're doing by law, It doesn't mean you're going to replace one with the other.
It means that for lots of people, they're not going to have it.
They're not going to have energy.
They're not going to have a vehicle.
And that's the idea.
It's to take vehicles away.
There's a war on travel.
If you look at what's happening with airlines and the airline industry, if you look at what happened in the COVID lockdowns, it was an absolute mirror of the world they want us to live in.
But what's the reasoning behind it?
Why do they want us locked in in the 15-minute city?
Well, there's very deep levels for that, which would take a long time to go into, and that relates to this non-human forces behind all this.
But in a more this-world way, it stops people interacting, it stops people talking to each other, it stops people coming together and organizing together to create a united response to this.
The idea, because if you look at the cost of electric vehicles, there's no way that most people in the world who currently have a petrol or diesel vehicle are going to be able to afford them.
And I put a story on my website today in which a leading car manufacturer is saying no way in anything like the near future are we going to be able to afford to produce an affordable electric car for people it's not going to happen it's not possible well the point is it's not meant to be possible so what they're doing is they're bringing in these laws to stop the production of petrol and diesel vehicles knowing
Yeah.
when they've gone, they're not going to be replaced by an actual vehicle. Is that just for the elite? Yeah. And other
Yes.
vehicles and transport is planned to be autonomous, driverless, driven by computer. Yes, including planes
staggeringly. Yes. So, um, you can't have petrol and diesel autonomous cars run by a computer.
You have to do it in an electrical system.
So everything's kind of electrical.
That's why they're bringing electric cars, not to save the planet.
The idea is to move stepping stone from electric cars you drive to electric cars that are driven for you.
And this will, even for those that are not of the elite of the elite, but have enough money to buy an electric car, this will limit where they can go.
If you've got a petrol or diesel car, you get in it and you drive where you want to go.
But if the computer is programmed that it won't go to certain areas, well you're not going
there, unless you bloody walk.
Yes.
Because it won't take you there. That's the idea. The whole thing is about
control. So here you have Elon Musk, he's involved in that.
He's involved in Neuralink, connecting the brain to computers.
They're supposed to be starting human trials soon.
And you have him putting these satellites up, which is creating the cloud, which is going to allow the communication system to have this control system, including autonomous vehicles.
And he's everywhere.
And you know, my question is this.
People say, oh, well, Musk must be in favor of free speech because he's bought Twitter.
And he's put out these Twitter files that are showing that the deep state in America, not least America, has been dictating what can appear on Twitter and who can appear on Twitter.
Okay, so what does that tell you?
What that confirms, because we knew all that anyway, but what it confirms is that the deep state controlled Twitter as it controls indeed created Google, which owns YouTube and Facebook, which was also a cult creation.
So What do they want?
What was the game of controlling these companies?
It was obviously to control what people saw and didn't see on these major platforms that most people in the world now seem to get their information from.
So here's a question which no one's ever answered.
In the alternative media, good chunks of which have bought the Musk myth, because he's telling them what they want to hear.
Why would you, when you now control Twitter and you're controlling exactly what you want, what can be said and what can't, why would you not only allow an alleged free speech absolutist in Elon Musk to buy Twitter, But you would actually take him to court to try to force it on him when he started rolling back because of all the bots that were fake accounts.
It makes absolutely no sense.
It certainly makes no sense when the other companies that he's fronting up are all advancing this cult agenda quite blatantly.
So one of the things that I say to people is never judge someone unless your previous research shows you it's not true or shows you what's going on.
Don't judge something just in the moment of whatever's happening now.
Just sit back and see where it goes and then you'll see why it makes no sense and what the agenda really is.
I scan the alternative sites every day and more and more I'm seeing Elon Musk's picture and he's commented on this or that.
Oh, I had the jab and I had a terrible, you know, reaction or stuff.
Well, why didn't you mention it at the time, mate?
Right.
Why now suddenly?
And there's something going on here.
And I would I would urge the alternative media to just take a step back.
And a number of people within it do have and not just By what appears to be the situation, because it makes no sense.
The mainstream media is working for, you know, something or someone and they have their marching orders.
I wonder, Mr. Eyck, have you ever talked to Edward Snowden?
No, I've not had that opportunity.
How do you see him?
Is he also a puppet or is he a free spirit?
Is he a good guy?
How do you see Edward Snowden?
He's now in Russia.
He can't leave the country anymore.
What I do with people is I look at the outcome.
I don't look at what they say.
I look at the outcome of what they do, because words are easy.
And so many people, they'll go with someone because the words are telling them what they want to hear, or the words are confirming what they already believe.
But it's actions and it's outcomes.
And so when I look at Edward Snowden, the outcome has been that a lot of people have been informed that Deep state organizations like the NSA, the CIA, and all the rest of them, that a lot of people naively believe we're working for the benefit of the country, are actually spying on them.
Because they're cult organizations, and they answer to the cult, not the people of the United States.
So I look at what Edward Snowden has done, and all I see is the outcome is positive in terms of The information that he's circulated, and I see the same with Julian Assange as well.
I may not agree with everything that Snowden believes, what a bore if I did, or what Julian Assange believes, but their contribution To people seeing what they wouldn't normally see has been positive.
So yeah, and of course they're obviously trying to destroy Julian Assange because not only personally, but to say to any other would-be whistleblowers, this is what happens if you take us on.
Yes, so if you look at the price they paid in terms of freedom, we could consider Julian Assange and Edward Snowden heroes.
Yeah, well, they've stood by what they believe is right.
I mean, Snowden could have kept his mouth shut and he'd still be in America having a probably a very good life.
Absolutely.
But having seen what was going on, he couldn't.
And that's to his great credit.
And this is an important point.
If we're going to turn this around, we have to start doing what we know to be right and not being imprisoned by constantly listing consequences for us of doing what we know to be right.
Yes, but if people look at themselves, just do what you know to be right, because if you don't, well, we know where it's going.
Yes, but people look at Assange and Snowden and they say, oh my God, they're heroes, they have courage, but look at the price they had to pay in terms of freedom.
So what is your answer to that?
Well, that's what can happen when you do what you know to be right in a society controlled by people that want to stop you doing what you know to be right.
You know, the question is not what are the consequences of doing that, but what are the consequences of not doing it?
And the consequences of not doing it for our kids, grandkids, indeed, most of the people alive today, is absolutely fantastic in terms of the scale of control that they're going to live their lives in.
So, you know, We've got to really decide where we go from here and look at how we got here.
How we got here was not doing what we knew to be right, but doing what we thought was right for us in the moment.
That's how we got here.
That's why People keep their mouth shut, who know things that the people should know, because they're thinking, well, what are the consequences for me of speaking out?
But, you know, in the end, if people just started speaking out, started telling the truth, started doing what they knew to be right, started saying no to authority instead of acquiescing through fear or unquestioning obedience, this world would change dramatically.
Because, you know, I repeat again, this force would have taken over a long time ago if it could.
But it can't, and thus the real power is with the people.
Yes, but this force, excuse me, but this force seems to have a lot of patience.
I mean, like they're just, you know, slowly moving towards their goals, and it seems to have more time than us.
I mean, you know, a normal human life is like, let's say, 80 years, and they seem to look at a much larger timeline.
Yeah, because outside of, we go back to what I said earlier, this simulated reality that we are decoding into an apparent world, part of the part of the simulation coding is the infusion of the perception of time and This is why, you know, if you get deep into the non-physical world, you reach a point where time disappears.
And so you're looking at a realm that has a completely different relationship to time, to this one, that is controlling the one we live in with a relationship to time.
So of course they've got patience, but it's still, You know, not possible to impose their total control on us without our cooperation.
You know, if you if you look at the COVID lockdowns, if enough people had refused to do it, it would have been unenforceable.
Yes, but people also need to unite because they cannot do it by themselves.
I think they need to unite.
This is where divide and rule comes from.
I mean, this force knows that.
It knows that in terms of numbers, it's dead and buried.
So it has to manipulate the target population to go to war with itself.
You know, so one of the things I've uncovered and written about over the years is how this force controls all sides, or both sides, whatever, in conflicts.
So it controls China, it controls Russia, it controls Ukraine, and it controls the West supporting Ukraine.
It controlled Germany, it controlled the West, it controlled Stalinist Russia, Maoist China.
So just because one side is fighting another doesn't mean ultimately the same force is not behind both sides, because what it wants is the fighting for many reasons, but in the subject area we're talking about, it wants the target population at war with itself so it doesn't unite.
And it's not really bothered why different elements of the population are fighting each other, so long as they are.
And if you look at wars, it's very much like politics.
Now, you know, people like you and me and many others now, I've long realised that we live in one party states masquerading as multiple party states and masquerading as political choice.
I'll give you an example.
In Britain, we have the Conservative Party in government of this guy, Sunak, unelected Prime Minister, a World Economic Forum clone, just like Rutte.
And then we have the opposition Labour Party, well opposition it says here, headed by a guy called Keir Starmer, who is a World Economic Forum clone.
And during the lockdown period of COVID, when the Johnson government was imposing fascism, like the Rutte government was in the Netherlands, The opposition Labour Party was criticising the Conservative government, not for its fascism, but for not being fascist enough.
It wanted even more severe measures than the government was imposing.
So you are looking at political parties, if you like, political conflict, for power, but actually one step back from both of them,
you've got the same force in the shadows that's controlling both of them. And it's the same with
wars. You get these, the same force behind them, because as long as you're fighting, as long as
you're in conflict, well, that's just what they want. And so they create organizations like Black
Lives Matter, which is funded by billionaires like George Soros. And it got about $90
million or something in funding, millions and millions of which went to buy houses for the
founders of Black Lives Matter.
It's not gone to the benefit of black people.
Black Lives Matter was created for one reason, one reason only, to divide and rule the population on the grounds of race.
That's what it was there for.
And all across society, you've got these points of conflict, because the population has to be at war with itself, because the numbers game means that otherwise, if we were united, Then the game would be over, and so you're absolutely right, that's what we need to do.
And what I would say to people is just, okay, you don't agree with me on this, you don't agree with me on that, but let's just agree on one thing, right?
The world is being taken into a very sinister and dark place.
By some very sinister and dark people.
And let's just unite to sort that out.
And then we can sit and bloody argue about who's got the best religion, who's got the best system or whatever.
But let's sort this out first, because it's in all our interests and all our children and grandchildren's interests to do so.
Yes.
You know, when you are in a sector camp somewhere, Then I guess you can sit around when the control system's in place and we can argue about who has the best religion and who has the best political system.
It won't bloody matter, but you can have that conversation.
Yes, Mr. Ike, the interesting thing, I mean, you mentioned the Hunger Games Society, the films, the trilogy a few times.
What is really interesting, you have the elites, right, in those films and you have the, there is no middle class, there is just people, the elites and people in abject poverty.
And why?
I mean, I understand that if you are in poverty, it's easier to control you.
I understand that.
But I mean, there's not so much to take anymore from people who are living in poverty.
Why don't they just wipe us out?
I mean, what is the reasoning behind having so many people in poverty and then having a small group of elites, no middle class, and then the people in poverty, they still need to be alive?
I mean, what is the whole reasoning behind that?
Okay, so well, let's just go deeper.
into this.
One of the major reasons that this force which operates outside of human sight, and it's worth just mentioning that, and this is really a foundation of how people misunderstand the reality we live in, Is that when we look into the world, we think we're looking at everything there is in the space we're looking at, but actually we're just seeing a tiny band of frequency called visible light.
That's all we're seeing.
And according to mainstream science, the electromagnetic spectrum, which is basically this reality, Is 0.005% of what exists in the universe in terms of energy in its different forms.
And visible light, the only frequency band that we could see, is a fraction of the 0.005%.
Now if you look through your eyes and you think you can see everything in the space that you're looking at, then when you talk about entities operating from the unseen, that becomes impossible, because you would see them.
But when you realize you're only seeing a tiny band of frequency, and the infinity, the entirety of infinity exists outside the frequency band that we can see, it's like a television channel, then you immediately start to understand how there are entities manipulating human society that we can't see.
And this Simulation has been created.
I go into this and other levels of the simulation in the trap very deeply, but this simulation was created to hijack human perception.
That's the whole foundation.
Human perception is the stadium on which the game is played, or in which the game is played.
Human behavior comes from human perception.
You control human perception, you control human behavior.
You get people to believe there's a deadly virus and only a fake vaccine would save them from it.
All lies, of course, as we now can clearly see, and some of us said so at the time.
Then they're going to behave in ways that meekly go under lockdown, put a face nappy on and take the jab.
But if they perceive that situation differently, they'll do none of those things.
So controlling perception is to control behavior. But there's another area of this. And
that is that every time we think or feel emotion, we are generating a frequency that relates to that
thought or emotion.
So hate and fear and anxiety and resentment and regret, they all have low frequencies that they generate, those states of being.
Whereas love and joy and all these things are very high frequencies.
And this has been established by mainstream science now.
And so, what we call human perception, individual perception, actually manifests itself as a frequency.
Your perception would generate a frequency that relates to that perceptional state in all its different forms.
Now, what if, and I strongly suggest this is the case, that this force feeds off human energy?
That we are its sustenance.
That when the Morpheus character in the Matrix held up the battery and said the Matrix is a computer-generated dream world designed to turn humans into one of these, it was a profound truth.
This is something that can be found in in ancient cultures as well as in modern experience and research that this is what is happening.
So this force by its very nature is an inverted, distorted, actually insane state of consciousness, which means it's in a low vibrational state.
And to absorb energy sustenance, it has to be within the frequency band that it's operating on.
Otherwise, like radio stations, they would just pass in the night and not affect each other.
So this simulation, if you look back through history, you'll see that they has been created specifically to put the vast majority of the population into a low vibrational state, one of struggle, of suffering, of trying to survive another day, and a hopelessness, isolation, all these things.
And so that's why, and you know, I think it's important, you know, if you live in Western countries and you're doing all right, kind of financially, up to now anyway, you can think, well, you know, I like it here, I'm having a good time, I am, you know, okay.
But if you travel any, to any extent, you traveled to Asia, to Africa, to South America, to Central America, to Eastern Europe, you'll see that the vast overwhelming majority of the population are not having a good time.
They're struggling to survive another day.
They're living in poverty.
They're living in horrible conditions.
They're worried about, you know, what's going to happen to their kids because they might live in a place of violence and hostility.
And so what are they doing?
They're constantly, daily, minute by minute, producing this energy of anxiety and fear and struggle and suffering.
Then you look at the wars.
Why?
If you said to most people in the world, you want a war, they'd say, well, no, it's lost everyone.
Why do we have so many then?
And why we had so many throughout human history?
Because what is a war?
It's a phenomenal producer of low vibrational human emotion and human mental energy.
Yes.
Not just with the people taking part, but the loved ones fearing that their loved ones will not come home.
Yes.
So, you know, if you look at, if you wanted, let's put it this way, if you wanted To produce fantastic amounts of low vibrational human, especially emotional energy, then you would create a world that's pretty much the one we have.
Absolutely.
So, Mr. Ike, if I could summarize this specific point, then we could say that they want us in despair, in poverty, but they still want us alive because they are feeding on our energy.
And if we're not alive, they cannot feed on us.
Is that a correct summary?
Well, that's absolutely right.
But I think what is called the Great Reset is much bigger than people realize.
It's not just resetting this, that and the other, it's resetting everything.
And it's resetting how efficiently humans are trawled of this energy.
So let's go back to what I said earlier.
What they are openly saying now is they want to connect the human brain to AI.
Well, I've said in the books for years, I say that ultimately, all right, you have algorithmic AI and all these different levels of AI.
Ultimately, the AI they want to connect to the human brain is this non-human force to create a human hive mind, centrally controlled hive mind.
Literally, that's what happens.
I mean, if everyone's connected to AI, of course you've got a hive mind, centrally controlled.
So we become like ants in a way.
Exactly like that.
That's a very good analogy.
And so what would that give control of?
Okay.
When we go into different emotional and mental states, we generate energy frequencies that relate to those mental and emotional states.
Okay.
So they have to manipulate Society, so that people have experiences that generate those states.
Now, what if you didn't have to do that anymore?
Because what's going to happen is the mental and emotional state will be delivered to the organism through AI, where the human thought and emotional processes will be hijacked.
And it will come direct from AI, and your mental and emotional state will be delivered to you.
And when you have that emotional and mental state delivered, your body will respond by producing, and your field will respond, by producing the frequencies that relate to those mental and emotional states.
You basically create a high mind, low vibrational energy system.
That is, it's basically a global technological network in which humans become like those babies in the Matrix movies, where the machines fed off the life force, the energy force of the children, and they kept producing children technologically.
To feed off their energy.
It was an analogy, a very good analogy.
And so, you know, when I started on this journey, I wanted to go the distance.
I wanted to know as much as was possible about what was happening.
And, you know, you start with Presidents and Prime Ministers are not running their countries.
And you go deeper and you see there's a non-human force.
You go deeper and you go deeper and you go deeper.
You realize that it's a simulation.
You realize that they're feeding off this energy.
And it gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.
But again, like I said earlier, you break it down.
It doesn't matter what level of this you're looking at.
It's human perception That dictates everything.
When your perception falls into low vibrational states, you're feeding them.
If it doesn't, you're not.
And again, you know, this uniting you talk about, well, that uniting in mutual harmony reduces dramatically The amount of low vibrational energy that's being produced.
And this is the point.
This force needs us.
We don't need it.
It needs us.
We are its sustenance.
Thus, without us, it's in trouble.
And that's why it's terrified of people waking up, because lunch is no longer served in that way.
And it's interesting, you know, there was a guy called Robert Monroe.
And in the 1950s, he began to have spontaneous out of body experiences, where he went to another level of his energetic field, not the physical, might call it the astral if you like, and started seeing other realities that interpenetrate this one.
And He became a leading figure in writing and talking about this whole subject.
And I think he got involved at one point in experiments in America with the authorities to see
how this whole out-of-body thing worked and obviously what he experienced out of body.
And it was done in a scientific study type way.
He wrote some books on it later.
And one of the things that he writes about became famous for talking about is that He experienced entities on other levels of reality beyond the visible light scene of the physical.
And they were systematically feeding off human emotional energy.
And he coined the phrase for this energy of Loosh.
L-O-S-H, Loosh, and that humanity was basically a Loosh machine for this non-human force that was feeding off that energy.
Just for understanding, is it only negative emotions or is it also because in your work you say when we are in let's say high vibration and joy and love they cannot We are in fact unplugged from them.
So they need negative emotion in order to be fed.
Is that what you're saying?
From what I kind of understand and what, you know, Monroe was writing about all those years ago.
They can feed to an extent of all energy to an extent, but it's negligible when compared with low vibration emotion, which is what they actually are looking for.
And, and so And I go into in the trap, you know, the after death realm as well is all part of this.
What we call reincarnation is all part of the simulation as well.
But that's another story.
So we're talking about involuntarily reincarnation then.
It's not a free choice for us to reincarnate, to incarnate in a body.
Well, it depends what you say, free choice.
Is it free choice to, like I said earlier, be asked to sign a contract on the basis of what you're told, when what you're told is not true?
And you say, okay, on the basis of what you've told me, I'll sign this contract.
I'll make the choice to sign this contract.
But actually, what you've told me is not true.
So my choice is actually manipulate choice.
But I go into all this, you know, this is all new, not an old deep area, I go into this trap.
The manipulation doesn't end when we leave the body necessarily.
If there are other levels of this simulation, which are known as the spirit world and the astral realm, and beyond that is infinity.
And the game really is about reaching a state of awareness That you stop giving your power away, not just to human authority, but to what is perceived authority when you leave the body.
I mean, you know, I've listened to and read enormous numbers of out-of-body experiences that people have had or near-death experiences when the body has died and released the consciousness and they've come back.
And it's, again, it's, you know, people look up to another figure here.
It's the politicians, or it's the royalty, or it's the doctor, or it's the scientist, the academic.
And when they leave the body, they're looking up to what appear to be, you know, master souls, or angels, or whatever.
And again, they're looking up.
That's the authority.
And when the authority tells them this is how it is, they believe it.
And, you know, I go into this in the trap.
But if you go through that process, a lot of people experience it as going through the tunnel of light.
You get recycled back here.
Yes.
But if you study near-death experiences, a lot of people who are going through that, they describe The body, let's say, as a vantage point and their true being is infinite intelligence, unconditional love, and there is no such thing as time.
They say there is no such thing as reincarnation.
There's only parallel lives.
Everything is happening at the same time and with their awareness, they can be anywhere at the same time.
It seems that there's also, let's say, a divine spark of us, which is infinite intelligence, unconditional love.
So, yeah, I mean, it depends.
It depends, again, it depends on your perception, your self-identity.
You can you can leave the body at what we call death and you can get caught in the trap of reincarnation.
Or you can get the hell out of the whole thing, because Again, we have to be perceptually manipulated to believe that reincarnation is necessary.
It's not.
And, you know, when you leave the body, and when some apparently, apparently spiritual entities is telling you that, you know, you have to come back to learn lessons and stuff like that.
Then if you give your power away to that entity, then you'll just get recycled back in this constant, loose creating system.
And, you know, I looked at reincarnation and I was convinced eventually that it was true.
And then I looked at the Eastern religions who were saying that you have to keep reincarnating to learn lessons, to reach a state of enlightenment where you don't have to reincarnate.
And I thought, well, that makes no bloody sense to me.
For a start, you forget the previous lessons, so you're learning the same lessons again.
According to mainstream science, compared with the size of the universe,
planet Earth is the equivalent of a billionth of a pinhead.
So I mean, I cannot see why you have to keep reincarnating onto a billionth of a pinhead to learn lessons.
So you eventually don't have to keep doing it.
It makes no sense.
But if you are dealing with a simulation which has multiple levels and you are reincarnating through from different levels into this Physical reality, or apparently physical reality and out again, then it does make sense because you're not reincarnating onto a billionth of a pinhead.
That's an illusion.
What you're doing is reincarnating from one level of the simulation back into the densest part and the part where the most, quote, loose can be generated from you.
But it's It's something that people need to ponder on and look into and see what they think.
But it seems to be very clear that we're caught in a trap of reincarnation.
Because one of the things that happens when you come into a body, if you like, and I don't think it's quite like that either, is that your memories are wiped.
I mean, you know, you get some children, very compelling by the way, who remember in great detail previous lives in this reality or aspects of this reality.
But by about age seven, it usually just disappears and goes and they can't remember anymore.
But most people don't remember previous lives, previous experiences, probably a better word.
At all.
The mind is wiped.
Now, if you are reincarnating, then you have gone through the death process many times.
But you read these endless accounts from near-death experiences, and when they leave the body, it's overwhelmingly all new to them.
And it's like amazing and they've never experienced it before because there's a mind wipe.
And if your mind is wiped of memories, then you're not going to learn on top of previous memories to reach a point of enlightenment to get out of here.
What you have to suss is what the game is, what's actually happening, what you're part of.
And then you've got a chance of reaching a point of awareness and spiritual street-wiseness where you can get out of this trap and into the totality of infinite reality, which anyone could do.
So, I agree.
They don't understand what the game is.
They don't understand the game.
They just keep getting trapped in the game.
So, I agree that our mind is wide, but is our soul not recording all the experiences or don't you believe that?
Well, for me, what people call the soul, that's what's trapped in the simulation.
The soul is only one level of us.
If you talk about the spirit, the greater infinite self, the soul is an expression of that, yeah.
But that's what I say is trapped in the simulation, that level of awareness.
And for that soul to get out and reabsorb into spirit beyond the simulation.
It needs to reach a vibrational state that can get out of here.
It also needs to be streetwise about how the game is.
I'm going to have to go in a second.
Oh, sorry.
Let's wrap this up.
Thank you so much for your time.
I have one, you know, I would like to summarize this.
What you're actually saying, if we want to get out of this situation, then we need to unplug and unite.
Is that the solution?
Is that the way out?
Well, unplug and unite.
I think the first thing that people need to do, and this is my opinion, it's not for me to tell people what to do, is to, if they're new to any of this, just put aside all previous beliefs.
In other words, get yourself a symbolic blank sheet of paper and say, I'm starting again.
And what goes on the sheet of paper in terms of what I accept as reality has got to earn its place
on the basis of evidence and on the basis of what I feel is the what feels right to me.
a great day.
It doesn't get on that blank sheet of paper any longer just because a teacher told me, or a professor told me, or a journalist told me, or a politician told me, or a doctor told me, or a scientist or academic told me.
It gets on there because it feels right to me and the evidence supports it.
And we start to take control of our perceptions back.
Because the point that, you know, if I could sum up the totality of what I've learned over the years, is that this reality we think we're experiencing is so phenomenally, fantastically, almost breathtakingly different to how we appear to be experiencing it.
And what it appears to be is fantastically different to what it actually is.
And if we're going to start to understand it, then we've got to deprogram from all the beliefs and perceptions that we've downloaded and let them get on that blank sheet of paper Only through our filter and not accepting them just because some system person has told us.
Because I'll tell you from experience, and I'm sure you've had the same, You know, just because you're called an expert, or a scientist, or a doctor, or an academic, doesn't mean, A, what you're saying is true, but it doesn't mean, even, that you're intelligent.
Some of the most monumental idiots I've ever met in my life have been academics, doctors, scientists, and people that you're supposed to look up to as the fountain of knowledge.
You know, but oh no, they know more than me.
They've got these letters after their name.
What does that mean?
That just means that they've absorbed what the system told them to believe, they've repeated it in exams so that they pass them with flying colors, and then they accepted the narrative of their chosen Specialization.
And as a result of accepting the specialization and absorbing the information from the specialization, they are now seen as experts and fountains of knowledge.
It doesn't mean they are.
What if what they've been told is a load of bloody nonsense, which most of it is?
So we need to have the confidence to trust ourselves to come to our own conclusions and not
get them from external sources.
Of course, external sources can give you information, but we need to form our own
perceptions, not become a clone of someone else's, whether it's me or anyone else.
Well, thank you so much for these closing words.
Mr. Eyck, I want to thank you for taking the time to talk with me.
It was, again, an honour and a privilege.
And please, you know, keep up the good work.
Thank you so much.
Oh, no way I will stop.
See you soon.
Bye.
See you soon.
Bye bye.
The whole basis of the manipulation is to divide us.
And it's to get us to judge each other, to hate each other, to envy each other, to compete with each other.
It's to confuse people, especially the young, about their gender, who weren't confused before.
That's what it's about!
A lot of people don't carry cash anymore, and they're not grabbing credit cards either.
Instead, they're using their smartphone.
A currency that wouldn't be cash, it would be merely electronic, for which there are fundamental implications for human freedom.
The United States is preparing for a war against Russia through Ukraine, and what they plan is to try to take Crimea back.
The idea for this third world war is to involve Russia and China against the West.
Stage one you create a problem.
China.
The German medical supply and distribution firm has been threatened with more than five vaccines a day.
Stage one you create a problem.
It could be a manufactured virus.
You want a reaction and you want them to either say do something or you want them to accept
what the authorities suggest must be done.
That's what we're going to do.
So one of the agendas is to massively cull the population.
They want to reduce the numbers.
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