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June 22, 2022 - David Icke
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Sputnik Radio: 'The legendary David Icke on understanding the chaos and the Global Elite'
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It is my great honor to introduce author, lecturer, and student and teacher of Hidden History, David Eich.
Mr. Icke, welcome.
Thank you, Lee. So, I have so much to talk to you about.
I'm a huge fan and have been very influenced by your work ever since I saw a lecture you did years ago about the roundtable groups.
Do you remember that bit of what your teaching used to do?
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
I remember all that. Yeah.
Back in the 1990s, I was doing that.
Yeah. It's incredibly relevant to today still.
Yes, I agree.
And as a reporter, I've covered Russiagate.
And actually, a lot of that stuff is relevant to Russiagate in a very specific way I'd like to talk to you about.
But first, I was preparing for this, and I began to Google you a little bit.
And the current narrative on you...
I've seen, you've been censored quite a bit lately.
Oh, gee!
Carl, yeah. Like, massively, yeah.
And it seems to me, one of the stories that they talk about, there's two main stories.
And one of them is a story that I was able to confirm was a lie just by watching the interview.
It's a famous blue jogging suit interview from decades ago, where they said that you claimed you were the son of God.
And all I did was I watched the interview, and that is 100% false.
You do not claim that.
In fact, you interrupt the interviewer several times to say, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying we're all children of God, which is quite different than claiming that you're the son of God.
Yeah, my philosophy on life is that we are all expressions of one infinite whole, but we are unique expressions of it, because our, if you like, consciousness, point of attention, experience has been different to others, so we have different views on life and on the world, but ultimately we're all expressions of One unified force, which some people call God,
some people call other names, but it's always struck me how many things that different religions have in common rather than The divisions that drive them apart.
So, yeah, we're all expressions of the one whole.
But, you know, if you're trying to discredit someone, well, you know, distort that.
That's what happened. And the other one that comes up, which I'll let you explain, is the lizard people one.
The reptile... I know many people, when I mentioned I was going to be interviewing on Twitter, I got a bunch of people talking about the reptile.
I've never personally heard you.
No one said, oh, he's the guy who did a great thing on the roundtable groups.
So this is a way, I think, of smearing you.
What do you say about the smear against you about reptile people?
Well, I don't take it to be a smear.
I take it to be an expression of the ignorance that so many people unfortunately spend their entire lives living in.
What happened, Lee, is that when I started to understand in the 1990s That the people that were directing world events were not the people that we thought were directing them.
They weren't presidents and prime ministers and the people in elected authority.
There was a network behind them, working through them, some knowingly being worked through, mostly not knowingly.
And that there was an agenda for the world that this network was driving and heading towards.
If people read my earlier books, they'll see that current events were not predicted then, because it's not really predicting.
It's not about sitting in a darkened room, pulling this stuff out of the ether.
It's about accessing a plan for the world, which unless it is headed off, By people becoming aware of it, will unfold.
So predicting the future is not so much predicting the future, it's predicting the plan if the plan is not thwarted.
And therefore, what I wrote in my books years ago is now happening, because the plan is playing out, although now we're starting to get, hallelujah, Ever greater pushback on it.
So I saw in the early 90s that this shadowy network was in operation.
So obviously, my next question is, when did it start?
Because it obviously was not five years ago or 10 years ago.
So I started going back, and you can go back through the British Empire, back through the Roman Empire, and get into Babylon and Sumer in what is now called Iraq.
And you can chart this through the ages all the time, gathering more and more and more power on a global level.
So you have the empires of the Babylonians, you have the empire of the Romans, you have the empire of the British and the other European empires.
And then you follow that with globalization and all the time as Power in the world was more and more centralized and centralized and centralized.
These this fewer and fewer people were dictating the lives of more and more people to the point where it's now global.
So I looked at this and my next question was, well, there's got to be a unifying force that Brings this together.
Because what you've got is people being born, playing a part in this cabal, what I call the global cult now, and then dying and other people taking it on and the same process going on and on and on.
And there had to be some unifying force.
And then I... started to realize the because all these things have to be encompassed to really get a grasp on what's actually going on then you start to realize that actually the world we think is the world is actually only a tiny band of frequency that the five senses like the visual senses can decode and according to mainstream science the uh The electromagnetic spectrum is about 0.005% of what exists in the universe, and visible light, which is the only frequency band that we can see, is a smear of the 0.005%.
So obviously humans, it became clear to me, are basically blind in the sense of what they can see in the space, the energetic field that they are observing and decoding into this reality.
And then, again, very synchronistically, especially after I went to America and really spent a lot of time there after 1996, in 1996 and onwards, I started coming across more and more information from people of many and various kinds, including insiders of the industrial military intelligence complex, you might call it, that actually The network that I'd identified by then was ultimately being controlled from outside of this reality.
And it was being controlled by a non-human force.
And I then started to look back.
I thought, well, hold on a minute.
If this is true, Then this is obviously not been going on for five minutes again.
So there must be evidence for it in the ancient world.
The ancients must have been talking about this.
So I started scanning ancient legends.
And you find an extraordinary common theme in which they are describing this.
And they call this force different names.
And when historians and anthropologists have gone into these cultures, they've taken these different, quote, gods to be just the gods of the tribe or the culture.
But when you listen to how they're described and how others in other parts of the world describe their, quote, gods manipulating from the unseen, the common themes are absolutely stunningly compelling.
So you have the Gnostics talking about a non-human force called the Archons, Greek for rulers, which is manipulating humanity.
You have Christians talking about demons.
You have the Gnostics talking about the Archons, which are basically the demons of Christianity.
You have Islam talking about the djinn manipulating this reality from beyond human sight.
Then I went to South Africa and I met a A Zulu shaman called Kredo Mutwa who told me about what they call the Chittahuri, the children of the serpent, that were manipulating humanity from the unseen.
And you start to put this together, and what you need is no preconceived idea.
If you've got a preconceived idea of A, what's going on, and B, you have a belief system, Which repels all borders and will not go anywhere outside that belief system.
There is no way in the world that we are going to uncover what's really going on, because the answers lie well beyond any of that stuff.
And so what I've done, I've basically...
I said to people, this is what I've found.
Make of it what you will.
I am the last person on earth that wants to convince you of anything.
Because this world is drowning, and historically it has been drowning in people seeking to impose their belief system on other people.
And what it does, and my God are we experiencing it now, What that does is stop the free flow of information and opinion from which we can all learn from each other.
So you had the mass killing of people through the religions of those that were having a different view of the religions, of life with the inquisitions, etc.
But what have we got today, Lee?
We've now got the global inquisition of one narrative, i.e.
authorities narrative, being protected, because the only way it can be, because it's a nonsense, Through absolutely hysterical, extreme levels of censorship.
And it's the same process all through.
It's just taking a different form and now it's gone global, but it's the same thing that's gone on throughout human history.
You have a narrative, you want to enforce it on others so you stop anyone else having a different opinion or at least expressing it.
And in that way, We have got to a point where we believe absolute absurdities Because A, people believe them without question because they don't think they should be questioned because authorities told them.
And then we have another group that believes absurdities, or at least makes out it does, because it's terrified of saying anything to challenge the absurdity.
And you can see the absurdities now in terms of biology and all the rest of it.
But it's like Voltaire said, people who will believe absurdities will commit atrocities.
Because once you start believing absurdities, either because you don't question them or you're frightened of questioning them, then your mind has been handed over to authority.
And from that connection, they can make you commit atrocities, which is what history is littered with.
No, that's a great explanation, and thank you for that.
When I started listening to a number of these talks lately I've listened to by you, I've been a fan for about 30 years of the British philosopher Alan Watts, the Zen Buddhist philosopher.
And I detected an influence on you.
Was I making that up in my head?
Or am I correct that you've been influenced to some extent by Alan Watts?
Well, that's a very interesting point.
Because it took me a long time to find Alan Watts.
And I had concluded a lot of things about the reality and consciousness and the way the psyche works.
And then I came across him and it was extremely confirmatory of And confirming of what I'd concluded.
So there is a heck of a lot that he said that I would go along with, absolutely for sure.
But it wasn't that I heard him and then came to conclusions.
I came to conclusions and then heard him, which is the best way of doing it, because then, you know, it's confirming your conclusion rather than delivering your conclusion.
No, that's a good point.
And I've talked lately on the show about my concern is that one of Alan Watts' point, he worried about the post-industrial, the killing of spirituality and the rejection of everything spiritual.
But on the other hand, he was not a believer in conventional religion.
And it's the out of the frying pan in the fire.
I know As someone who's concerned about globalization, you see what's become of environmental concerns and how global warming is being used as a tool of control.
But I know that in your Back in the 90s, you would frequently talk about concerns you had about the health of the planet, right?
Yeah, that's a very good point, because I've just got a book, it's just coming off the...
I'm sorry, you cut out.
David, you were saying you just have a book.
David Ike, you were saying?
Thank you.
Okay, so you were saying about the book you have coming out.
Yeah, well, that's a good question because I've got a book just coming off the printers now called The Trap, which goes really, really deep into the nature of what The Trap is, which is much deeper than just the world that we see.
And the first three chapters are biographical for reasons that are clear in the book.
And it...
Allow me to kind of look at my life before I had my awakening to another reality in 1990.
And then The Wogan Show followed in 1991.
And I started to see...
Well, I've seen it before, but it was really blatant to me as I wrote those three chapters.
That my life before was...
Giving me what I needed before this whole thing became conscious to me in 1990.
For instance, I was a footballer and I had to play as a professional footballer with rheumatoid arthritis for much of my career.
And so...
You need some serious determination to play professional football with rheumatoid arthritis, I can tell you.
Especially on cold English mornings when you're warming up for training and we're in agony every morning.
So that triggered a real determination in me not to go under.
And then I became a journalist, a written journalist in newspapers and radio and then television with the BBC. So I was able to see how the media worked.
And then I got involved in environmental campaigning and then politics for a short time and in a ridiculously short time.
I mean, it was just crazy, man.
I joined the Green Party.
Not long after it had changed its name from the Ecology Party.
And through a series of the most extraordinary, quote, coincidences, I was a national spokesman for it in Britain within literally a matter of weeks.
It was ridiculous.
And I didn't stay long because in that period when I was a national spokesman for the Green Party, there was...
The Green Party in Britain got its biggest vote ever, got two million votes in the European elections of, what was it, 1989, something around that time.
And that wasn't because of me, it was because there was a lot of things going on highlighting environmental concerns at the time, and it was a bit of a protest vote, but it got me into national politics for a very short time.
In those days, and this is the reason I got involved with the Green Party, the Green Movement was about environmental concerns.
It was about deforestation.
It was about pollution.
It's about polluting rivers, about putting chemicals in rivers that were turning fish to another sex.
And what it's become Is a vehicle, just like the whole woke mentality, for imposing the will of this global cult, the global agenda of this global cult.
While the Green Movement and the Wokers claim to be anti-establishment, they're actually promoting everything that establishment wants.
And so the whole focus of environmental concerns, and you look at the The masks in the COVID era.
I mean, the Green Party that I was involved in and the Green Movement I was involved in in the 1980s would have been kicking off about all these bloody masks everywhere and in the oceans and in the rivers.
But not this one.
This has been completely and utterly absorbed into this whole system.
So now its focus is on only what it claims to be human-caused global warming, climate change, which is being justified or is being used to justify the very global agenda that I've been exposing all these years.
But when I look back at my life, that was a very important part of my life, really, because it allowed me to see politics from the inside for a start, so I could see that actually it was never going to be a way of changing anything for the better.
That has to be done directly by the population, not by politics.
Politics is not there to instigate positive change on behalf of the people.
It's there to stop it, as we're now seeing.
I mean, you know, I've been talking for decades about the fact that we live in one-party states masquerading as political choice, and now it's becoming bloody obvious, whether it's Britain, America, or anywhere.
Yeah. So it also allowed me to see, and it wasn't anything like as extreme then, nothing like as extreme as it is now, but it allowed me to see the mentality of the Green Movement and the naivety of it.
And it's gone on to become just a vehicle for everything that I'm trying to challenge, which is ironic.
But it was a real great experience to see it from the inside.
That's fantastic. And when's the book coming out?
It'll be out at the end of July.
Yeah. That's great.
And it's going very, very deep into all this.
Because the world is not just a little bit not like we thought it was.
It's nothing whatsoever like we thought it was.
We're only skimming the surface when we see the world that we see and think is human society.
Right, but so many people don't see that part yet.
You know, as we look at politics, about, I would say, half the people or more are still in denial about things that are clearly like a good number in the United States of Democrats still basically believe Russiagate.
And still repeat those lies.
Now, as a reporter, I had covered Russiagate, and the stuff I found that was related directly to your work, I was the only reporter I knew who tied a lot of this back to, and proved it, Bill Clinton's experience at Oxford in 1969.
So, before we get to Bill Clinton at Oxford, and I'll mention some of that stuff, you supplied...
Brilliant and important history about what led up to that.
In other words, the history of Oxford, their role in the Rhodes Scholarship, and so on, and in making modern political world.
Could you explain some of that stuff, the Anglo-Americanism that happened in the 19th century that led to Oxford being a center of I think it's fair to say the globalists, the think tanks, like the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and these roundtable groups.
Can you talk for a second about what led up to that in the 19th century?
Well, there's a couple of things to that.
First of all, I mentioned about the The way that this cult has passed through history, gathering more and more and more power until now it's global.
And I mentioned the British Empire.
So you had this network.
It goes back further, but you can pick it up in Babylon Sumer.
You can take it through the Roman Empire, which went, of course, into Northern Europe.
And then this followed much later with the empires of Europe.
And the empires of Europe, especially the British, was when this cult really went global.
Because there came a point where the headquarters of this cult located in the UK. And this is why you can hardly see the British Isles on a globe.
And yet it had an empire on which the sun never set.
I mean, hello?
How could that be?
Because this cult was based in London.
It still massively is.
And so it accumulated a network, a central network, what I call the spider.
And how it works is that if you can see or visualize a spider's web with a spider in the center, the spider is driving the global agenda and much of it is being driven out of the UK. There are other areas of the world too, but massively the UK. And the strands in the web are Secret societies, semi-secret groups, and think tanks, NGOs,
and also governments, government agencies, banking systems, etc.
And the strands immediately around the spider are the most secretive, the most exclusive secret societies.
They will know what the real agenda is and what's really behind it.
And then you come out from those, from the spider, and you're entering still in the hidden.
You're entering the realms of secret societies we do know about.
Opus Dei, the Knights of Malta, the Knights Templar, the inner core, it is the inner core of the Freemasons, the inner core of the Jesuit order, and on and on it goes.
And then you come out, coming out from the spider, you hit that point in the web that I call the cusp.
And this is the cusp where the hidden meets the scene.
And at that cusp, you've got the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission.
You've got the Club of Rome, which was created in 1968, specifically to exploit environmental concerns to justify centralization of global power.
This is the whole human-caused climate change hoax that we've been talking about.
But also at the cusp is this just explosion now of think tanks and NGOs and their job of the cusp organization.
These are the, you know, massively funded by people like Soros.
The cusp organizations are there to take the agenda coming out of the hidden and to play it out into the scene.
The world of governments, government agencies, banking systems, corporations, media, all of this.
Silicon Valley. And so what happens is...
When you get out into the world of the scene, to the public, everything looks random and everything looks unconnected from everything else.
So, for instance, you've got the World Health Organization in and of itself, and then you've got Facebook and Twitter in and of itself.
You've got the British government and the American government in and of itself.
That's how it looks to most people.
But if you take the web structure into account, it's not like that at all.
Because this web connects them all.
So you would kind of struggle to explain why, as independent organizations, that when the World Health Organization came out with its narrative about COVID and what should be done in response to it, That Silicon Valley corporations would say, right at the start, we are going to censor any information put on our platforms that questions challenges, etc.
The World Health Organization version of everything.
And the National Health Organization's version of everything, which is indeed the World Health Organization version of everything.
Why would they do that?
They're supposed to be platforms that are there to let the free flow of opinion.
That's what they said they were created to do.
So why would they do that? Makes no sense, but it does.
If the inner core of the Silicon Valley corporations, Facebook, Twitter, Google, YouTube, are controlled by this cult web, which they are.
Indeed, they were created by it in terms of Facebook and Google, etc.
And the World Health Organization is created and is controlled by this web.
Then what's happening is the web is defending its World Health Organization narrative from being exposed through its Silicon Valley corporations.
So you look at the World Health Organization.
It was created by the Rockefellers in 1948.
Who created the big pharma cartel through J.D. Rockefeller, the oil tycoon.
It's now the World Health Organization run by Bill Gates through funding.
Bill Gates is a Rockefeller family gopher.
That's why he's become so successful.
His father was very close to the Rockefellers.
Indeed, his father was involved with Planned Parenthood that came out of the eugenics movement and was funded into existence with Rockefeller money.
Everything that you think is random is actually coordinated.
So the big pharma cartel is owned by the web.
It was created by the web, the cult web.
And it goes to the regulatory agencies of government like the FDA in America and the CDC and the MHRA in Britain.
And what you've got is the big pharma cartel like Pfizer, Moderna, controlled by the cult, created by the cult, asking cult-controlled regulatory agencies like the CDC and the FDA for permission to use their vaccines, fake vaccines actually, on the population.
And what's happening is the cult web is asking the cult web for permission to advance the cult agenda.
This is what's going on when you see how it's all connected.
And so much of that is coming out of Britain.
Not Johnson's government, Boris Johnson's government.
Just puppets like all governments.
But the secret society web is massively centred in Britain.
So you look at the City of London, the financial district, which is basically a Vatican City.
It's a law unto itself.
And it's to such a large extent driving the financial level of this web, which is massively involved, of course, in human control.
Control the money, you control choice, you control freedom.
And you've got the area of London called the Temple, which is literally named after a Knights Templar temple that was put there in the 13th century.
And he's still there now.
It was featured in the Da Vinci films of Dan Brown.
And that area of the temple is the centre of the legal profession in Britain and to such a large extent dictates the legal profession much further afield globally and Then you come to Oxford.
You mentioned Oxford. So all these kind of universities were created long ago, and they were also created by this cult, centred in Britain.
And they, to such a large extent, Dictate the education system worldwide.
So, you know, you and I have, you drive to Yale University in Connecticut, and it's like you're driving through Oxford.
That whole area, it's like you're driving through Oxford.
They don't call it New England for no reason.
And then you had this move out of the UK, out of Britain, to relocate or expand into North America.
So they expanded into what we now call Canada.
The head of state in Canada is still the Queen of England, Britain.
And they moved in on the United States and were behind the creation of the United States.
And so Britain is a real big center.
And, you know, you can chart towards the end of the 19th century, the Rothschilds, and it was the Rothschilds, created a secret society in London called the Round Table, And the first head of the Round Table was Cecil Rhodes.
And Cecil Rhodes plundered Southern Africa, infamously, for the Rothschilds.
And out of that came the gold mines and the diamond mines and the slavery of Africa.
And then the Round Table started to spawn satellite organizations.
It spawned the Royal Institute of International Affairs in London.
It spawned in 1921 the Council on Foreign Relations.
It spawned the Trilateral Commission.
It spawned the Bilderberg Group.
It spawned the United Nations through this London-based, UK-based secret society, the Round Table.
And interestingly, the so-called Balfour Declaration When the British government in the time of the Second World War, sorry, the First World War.
1917, yeah.
Yeah, agreed to support a Jewish homeland in Israel or Palestine, as it was then.
That declaration, the Balfour Declaration, So what did he do?
Did he stand up in Parliament and declare it?
No, no. The Balfour Declaration was a letter sent by Lord Balfour, an inner circle member of the Round Table, To Lord Rothschild, who created and funded the roundtable.
So it was two members of the same elite secret society swapping a letter.
A letter that was almost certainly written by another member of the roundtable and not Balfour himself.
So all these things, they have a level that you see And the level that history tells you about and tells you why they happened and all that and then you have this underbelly in the shadows where Why they happened and how they happened is totally and utterly different.
And so you have the Rhodes Scholarships to Oxford University, where carefully chosen young people in America are given Rhodes Scholarships to attend Oxford University.
And as you mentioned, Bill Clinton was certainly one of them, because they picked these people very early.
I mean, what's come out more recently is this World Economic Forum Young Leaders School and how many, quote, leaders, puppet leaders, In political power, whether it's Trudeau in Canada, Macron in France, Ardern in New Zealand, and so on, were graduates of this World Economic Forum Klaus Schwab Young Leaders School.
They bring them through, they program them, they train them into this whole agenda, and then they make sure through manipulation they go into positions of political power.
So someone like Bill Clinton would have been highlighted for the presidency a long, long time before ever they They mentioned his name in that regard.
So he becomes governor for Arkansas and then goes to the presidency.
Soon as they started talking about boy George Bush as a possible president, I actually said in the books and the talks, this guy's the next president of the United States.
Because they're chosen, not through obviously intelligence in his case, but they're chosen.
His father... Father George Bush, chosen, head of the CIA, and onto the vice presidency and then presidency.
The world is so different to what people think it is.
And these so-called elected people are not elected.
They are selected.
And then everything is done to get them elected, not these scamming elections like the last one in America.
Well, since you mentioned the CIA, would I be fair To say that I think the CIA and MI6, the deep state in America, is in some ways the espionage and military arm of what you call the spider.
100%. Yeah, and this is the other thing.
Going back to that web structure, and it's so perfect because it is literally how it works.
So you've got MI5 and MI6. Okay, they're the British intelligence agency, right?
Yeah, okay. And then you've got CIA. That's the American intelligence agency.
Yeah, that's right. And then you've got this.
Well, that's Germany's, right? Yeah.
Well, that doesn't know how it works like that.
You know, everything is fiercely compartmentalized, you know, appropriately, exactly like a secret society.
So if you take a secret society, it's compartmentalized in terms of knowledge, Through what they call degrees.
Take the Freemasons, it's a classic example, but they all work like this.
So the people at the top know information, they have knowledge, which the people at the bottom don't have.
And you're only allowed to get to the next level of knowledge if that next level thinks you are worthy of it and safe to have it.
And the whole structure works like this.
So you take an intelligence agency, That will be fiercely compartmentalized, whether it's MI6, MI5, CIA, National Security Agency, whatever.
But if you go deep enough into it, you go to the core.
At that core, they all meet.
The CIA is British intelligence, is German intelligence, is Australian intelligence, and so on.
There was a journalist who went public, I'm sure you'll remember this, just a few years ago.
And he was saying that all his career, basically, he was writing for a major German newspaper, that he was actually writing scripts that had been written for him.
And putting his name to them.
And they were all propaganda.
And he thought, I can't do this anymore.
I've got to speak out. And I remember it being interviewed on RT a few times.
Well, what did he say?
What did he say?
He didn't say that German intelligence was providing his scripts.
He said the CIA were.
He's a German journalist.
Because at that inner core point, they're all the same.
And this is how it works.
Are you familiar with Mikhail Khodorkovsky?
Not immediately.
Okay, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, when I tell you stuff about him, you can obviously look into this.
Everything I'm saying is confirmable.
Mikhail Khodorkovsky at one point was the richest man in Russia in the 90s after the Soviet Union fell.
He bought Yukos Oil, the biggest oil company in Russia, at per pennies on a dollar after doing a scam where he bought the bank that was auctioning it.
Mikhail Khodorkovsky, I've been saying for years, is right at the center of Russiagate, and you never hear about him.
A couple of facts about Khodorkovsky.
In 2005, there was a Senate resolution, Senate Resolution 322, Ring a bell.
Senate Resolution 322, that's the name of it, in 2005, where Joe Biden put one in favor of Mikhail Khodorkovsky.
What he had done is he bought this oil company, and after Putin came into power, he said, stop trying to buy the government.
He told all the oligarchs, stop trying to buy the government.
And Mikhail Khodorkovsky didn't stop.
So he was put in jail.
And Khodorkovsky, when he went to jail, guess who gave the controlling interest in U.S. oil to?
Jacob Rothschild.
Right. And Jacob Rothschild, previous to that, was on the board of the Carlyle Group.
Yeah. George Bush, the father, yeah?
Right, and it was introduced by Henry Kissinger.
So Mikhail Khodorkovsky has been, it's like a black hole.
You don't see him, you have to look for him.
But he's all over Russiagate.
He funded Bill Browder and the Magnitsky Act.
He's on the payments for it.
And so when you talk about the Rothschilds, I'm showing that they're right at the center of the Russiagate scandal.
And obviously you're on Radio Sputnik, so you don't, I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but you obviously don't buy into the propaganda hook, line, and sinker about Russia.
No, I could see through Russiagate the moment they played that card.
I mean, it was so obvious. I mean, they're not even good at it, in terms of making it credible.
And I think to an extent, they misread.
What they've done is they have played as if...
Public awareness today is the same as it's ever been.
So basically, they don't have to try too hard because the unwashed masses will believe anything.
And what do you think the spider has out for Russia?
Have you ever... Because I, of course, working for Sputnik, I've thought about this more than most people.
But I've tried to figure out their obsessive hatred towards Russia.
And I've never been able to figure it out exactly.
Have you been able to put your finger on anything?
Well, I've been writing for a long time now, decades, that the plan is to push China and Russia together and then play them off against the West in a conflict, in a world conflict, an economic conflict as well as a military conflict.
And this is designed to be a massive, what I call, problem-reaction-solution to justify saying we've got to stop wars ever happening again.
So what we need to do, we need to have a world government and we need to have a world army and dismantle all national armies.
We need to have a world central bank, a world currency.
Well, I said that in 1993, the cashless world currency was coming.
And the whole of what SWAB is calling the Great Reset is actually the creation of a Global, centralized, in the end, unelected technocracy, in which a few at the center will dictate the lives of Eight billion people.
Currently, there's eight billion people anyway.
And so they do want to bring about a conflict between the East and the West.
And it's kind of indicated in all those writings in many ways in 1984.
And so if you look at what is happening now geopolitically, is that Russia and China are getting closer and closer and when you've got a situation where because what they want to do This is what the culture is doing.
It wants to dismantle the West.
It wants an end to Western culture.
This is why Soros has funded for decades what has led to an open, in the period of Biden's southern border.
This is why the borders of Europe have been opened.
Because they want to bring an end to what we call the West and Western culture.
Because the thing to grasp about this cult is it doesn't have borders.
There are no borders.
That's for public consumption.
It's a global entity.
And it's not attached to the West.
It's not attached to Russia.
It's not attached to China.
Culturally, It just is doing whatever's necessary, wherever it's necessary, to bring about this monoculture, global, fascist, communist dictatorship, whatever you want to use, which is designed to have control imposed through technology, thus technocracy.
And so the current events you've had, the The COVID card played.
That's an absolute bloody hoax that was.
And they then bring in the lockdowns.
And what the lockdowns did was massively hold below the waterline the world economy, especially the Western economy.
And what they've gone on doing since is because of all the money that fresh air created out of nothing money that they poured into responding to quote covid they were putting enormous um inflation into the system this was all systematic because the idea was to bring an end to countries at the end there won't be any countries uh under a world government dictatorship um and and then What did Biden do?
Because all these dots connect.
Then he starts to use human-caused global warming, the hoax, to justify closing down pipelines in America, oil pipelines, to stop the exploration for more fossil fuel resources on federal land.
He does everything from day one to turn America from energy independent to energy dependent.
Then, when what happened, what's going on in Ukraine started, they then say, led by Biden, but I mean, it's not Biden, it's this guy called Ron Klain, who's his White House Chief of Staff.
He's running the government, not Biden.
I don't know what day it is. But then you have these other European leaders.
We must sanction Russia.
Yeah, okay then. So what are you going to do?
Well, we're imposing these sanctions and these sanctions and these sanctions.
We are going to bring Russia to its knees.
And what has been the outcome of those sanctions to bring the Western economy to its knees?
Because now you've got, not least the Russia and China, China have got much closer to Russia, not least because they've got an energy supply.
So have India.
They're getting cheap oil from Russia.
And the West, well, the pump prices of energy fuel is going through the stratosphere.
And it's increasing.
It's inserting extraordinary levels of inflation coming, still we have now, but coming into the system, which is bringing people to their knees.
They can't afford food.
They can't afford to go to work because they can't afford to drive there.
Do you know that there's police forces in America who are saying we can't respond to all the calls now because we can't afford the fuel.
That's right. So these are sanctions that are not targeting Russia.
They are primarily, they're targeting the West.
And they're dismantling Western society, and it's being done on purpose.
And in terms of the cultural change, if you want to bring down a society, who do you target first?
Do you target the minority groups?
No, no. You target the predominant, in terms of number, racial group.
So they're targeting white people.
So now we have this white supremacy propaganda.
And so the idea is that you marginalize and bring it under submission, the predominant racial group of the West.
And then once you've done that, then you start targeting the minority groups and pick them off.
And so There's this great line, you know who's controlling you and you know what their agenda is by who you cannot criticize and what you cannot criticize.
So you cannot criticize human-caused global warming because that's the agenda.
You couldn't criticize the COVID hoax because that's the agenda.
And you can't criticize minority groups but say what the hell you like About white people.
There's no political correct defense for white people.
So you know who they're targeting on that basis alone.
And then you look at...
I mean, you know, I'm not a Christian, but if you look at the history of Western society...
Weaved through it for historical reasons is Christianity and the Christian religion.
And so if you want to dismantle that society, you want to pull the cards out of the pyramid.
Then you target what holds that society together.
So you're targeting white people and you're targeting Christianity.
You can say what you like about Christianity.
There is no political correct defense for Christianity.
But minority group religions?
Oh no, that's hate speech.
And then you look at the British royal family.
The royal families have served this cult magnificently because they have been a way of imposing control just by bloodline, just by succession.
And then the human population eventually...
Matured enough to start saying, we want some saying this.
And a lot of the royal families disappeared, not the one in Britain.
But you look at Britain.
You want to dismantle Britain as a society in the way that it is run now as part of your Great Reset, which doesn't include subsidiary control systems like royalty and being a head of state purely by your bloodline.
So if you look at Britain, We don't have a government of the people.
We have Her Majesty's government.
We don't have an opposition to the government.
We have, quote, Her Majesty's most loyal opposition.
That's what it's called officially.
Currently, the Labour Party, which is absolutely an organization that doesn't oppose anything that the cult wants.
And you look at all the institutions, it's Her Majesty's Treasury, Her Majesty's Border Department, Her Majesty's Environment Department, and so on and so forth.
And so if you want to pull lots and lots of cards out of British society, which would mean it has to be completely rewritten and redrawn, Then you take the royal family out of it.
And I've been saying right now for a few years that we're looking at, not tomorrow, but we are looking at the end of the British royal family.
So once the Queen's gone, what's left is Prince Charles, who's very, very unpopular.
Then there's Prince William, who's had a charisma bypass.
And then you're going down to his children, which are very young.
It's a rump royal family once the Queen's gone.
And of course, she's not going to be around for very much longer.
And so all these things are coming together.
And the common theme of all of them, and of course, then you've got the Commonwealth, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the head of state, well, that changes.
So those societies change when the royal family is dismantled.
And all these things come under the, you know, whether it's, you know, the borders or whatever, it's the dismantling of Western society.
And so, for instance, if you look at China, they're demanding that their military and their male population become more and more male and testosterone-driven, if you like.
Whereas in America and other Western countries, this woke mentality is creating weak Weak men, weak people in general, weak young people who are terrified of their own shadow.
And when you're terrified of something, you look to authority to protect you.
So you give your power away to authority.
And you've got this transgender craziness.
I mean, you know, everybody who saw, Lee, this survey was out in the last two weeks.
Where they showed that the number of people in America, young people, who are saying they identify with another gender, has absolutely soared in the very same period of this transgender insanity.
That's not to say if people feel in their own body they ought to be supported, but that's not what this is about.
This is not about responding to people who naturally think they're in the wrong body.
This is about making more and more kids believe they are as part of this whole agenda, which is very big, and I've talked about it elsewhere.
But what this survey found was that while the number of young people identifying with a different gender had increased dramatically, It increased dramatically in states controlled by the Democrats.
In other words, they were woke crazy.
But in the Republican-controlled states, the increase was tiny by comparison to the Democratic states, which tells you this.
It's not a natural phenomenon.
It's a programmed propaganda indoctrination phenomenon.
And that's being done on purpose.
And look at what they're doing to the American military.
It's all about woke and inclusivity and what have you, which is not what it appears to be, inclusivity.
And so you've got this moronic head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Who will talk for ages about transgender and wokery in the military, and how we need to have more of it, and talks very little about the debacle in Afghanistan and elsewhere.
So they're actually destroying the American military internally through this infusion of woke nonsense, and it's all connected, all of it.
Now, David, we're about out of time.
This is absolutely fantastic, and thank you for your time.
It was every bit as great as I hope it would be.
Let me leave you with one question.
It's an important one.
You've been doing this for decades.
Do you have any hope?
Do you have any sign that the spider may not succeed?
Oh, yes.
Yes. I mean, it wouldn't be worth me keeping doing it, really.
I mean, I'm 70 now.
I'm going to be around a long time yet, but I mean, I wouldn't give the rest of my life as I've given the last 32 years of it if I thought it was a done deal, at least absolutely not a done deal.
And what tells you that is simple mathematics.
If you go to the core of the core of this cult globally, you would get them in a single room.
And the vast majority of people in the pyramid are compartmentalized from the knowledge of what's really happening and why, and thus they are doing things and playing a part in their own enslavement and the enslavement of their children and grandchildren.
While really having no idea that's what they're doing.
This is what compartmentalization does.
It makes you ignorant of how your contribution connects to everyone else's contribution to present a very sinister picture that doesn't appear to be, with your single contribution, to be that sinister.
And so you've got coming up 8 billion people and you've got, by comparison, a handful of people who in full knowledge are driving this.
And this is why they're terrified of the population becoming aware of the things and many other things that we've been talking about today.
They're terrified of it.
So this mass censorship, this hysterical censorship, is not coming from a point of strength.
It's not. It's coming from a point of weakness.
Strong people...
Who are confident of their narrative and confident to debate it and confident to have it challenged, don't want to censor anybody.
Because they know if anyone is censored, it means that they don't have freedom of speech anymore.
They only have the freedom to conform to what the censors say you can and cannot say.
So one person's freedom of speech is everybody's freedom of speech in fact.
And so the reason they're censoring, and ever more hysterically, is because they know their narrative will not stand up to scrutiny, debate, and exposure.
And so as more and more people become aware of These things we're talking about, and my God, more and more people are.
It's off the Richter scale compared with what it used to be.
They have to engage in more and more censorship to try to keep the lid on the can.
But how long are they going to be able to continue to do that?
I know that I've gone from being laughed at in the street In 1990, 91, 92, 93, 94, to now being stopped by endless people wherever I go, asking to talk to me about what's going on and to discuss it with me.
The difference is absolutely amazing.
And we're talking about all kind of walks of life now starting to get this.
And so I'm confident that there are going to be many challenges coming.
Oh, my God, there are. And not least economic.
But I'm confident that we are going to bring this down because the point is we, the people, are holding it together.
Our compliance is what's holding this thing together.
A few people cannot control billions unless the billions are compliant to the few.
We don't need to...
Become violent.
We just need to stop cooperating.
You know, if someone comes out of Downing Street or the White House and says, we've had a discussion and this is what's going to happen, if enough people say, we're not doing that, we're not doing that, no way.
It's unenforceable.
You know, we started out when COVID started.
The COVID card was played more accurately.
Where a few people were standing on the streets in lockdown protesting.
And the police would come along and just arrest them and take them away.
So small was their number.
By the September, August, September of 2020, there were 40,000 people in Trafalgar Square.
By the spring of 2021, hundreds of thousands of people were walking through the streets of London.
And where were the police then?
They were standing on the side of the road watching us go by.
Because their numbers were so great, there's nothing they could do.
And when the penny drops that the power is with us, And the only power that these people have over us is actually the power we give to them every day in the form of acquiescence.
Then the house of cards will come down.
Because it's a contract.
It's a perceptual contract.
Authority has power.
No, it has power that we give away to it.
And so there are three types of people in the world that allow tyranny to reign and to stop tyranny.
One is the group that just does what authority tells it without question.
Never questions anything, authority tells them they do it.
Then there's the next group, which can see that actually they're being lied to, and they really don't want to do what they're being told, but they fear the consequences of not doing it.
And so they comply. And those two groups, the unquestioning and the compliant through fear, have been responsible for every tyranny in human history.
Because it's not the tyrants, it's not the fascists that impose fascism.
There's never enough of them.
It's the population that acquiesce to fascism, that bring fascism in.
And then there's this other group, the third group, and that's the group that can see they're being lied to and will not cooperate with that which is lying to them.
And they're the group that has ended every tyranny in history.
And the bigger that group becomes, the more fearful will this cult become.
And it's becoming fearful now because that group is getting bigger.
And what we need to do is get this group That can see some of it, doesn't want to do it, but is frightened of not doing it.
Just summon some backbone and join Group 3.
And then we'll bring this down.
I'm more confident now than I've ever been that this is coming down.
But there's some big challenges to come.
And let's end on that positive note.
David Icke, fantastic appearance, great interview.
And I say this, and I really mean it, an honor and a privilege to talk to you.
David Icke, thanks very much.
Thanks very much, Lee. Stage one, you create a problem. It could be a manufactured virus.
You want a reaction and you want them to either say, do something, or you want them to accept what the authorities suggest must be done.
So one of the agendas is to massively cull the population.
They want to reduce the numbers.
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