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June 19, 2022 - David Icke
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Nothing Is Random - David Icke Explains Current Events
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episode of the Forging Excalibur podcast.
My name is Michael Laurie, your host, and today I have a very special guest.
His name is David Icke.
He needs no introduction, but I will introduce him anyway.
David Icke is an international speaker and author of over 20 self-published books.
He's well known around the world as a conspiracy theorist, yet many of his so-called conspiracies have come true.
And in the only authorised documentary of his life, he's called The Madman Who Has Been Proven Right Again and Again.
David Icke, it's my honour to welcome you to the Forging Excalibur podcast.
Thank you. And for one of the few times, I think we can compete with your weather in this country.
It's a scorcher, Midsommar, of course.
Is it really? Not exactly Midsommar, but we're coming up to it on 21st.
So if I start getting dark patches on my shirt, you know what it is.
I'm not sweating under the pressure of the questions.
It's a pressure of the heat.
Well, keep that in mind. We get 40 degrees Celsius days here and plus here in Melbourne in the middle of summer.
I'm not sure we can compete with that today, no.
Oh, really? Well, hopefully you don't have to.
David, I wanted to start this interview off a little bit differently.
So I would imagine that from what I know of you, and I've watched quite a few of your interviews, and I've been following you for many, many years, I would imagine that based on what I know of you, that you actually take no pleasure in being proven right again and again about the things you've been predicting and talking about for the last 30 years, do you? None whatsoever.
You know, people say, you know, you've been vindicated and in kind of strictly literal terms, that's true.
But the idea of what I've been doing all these years and other people have been doing around the world is to head this off.
But I always knew that It was going to have to get really bad and really obvious before enough people woke up to the fact that this is no conspiracy or theory.
It's actually true. And we are kind of getting there faster than people realize.
For instance, in this country, they've been using this figure of 5 million people who are anti-vaxxers and have refused the Covid fake vaccine and they've been pushing that 5 million, 5 million because the smaller the number is the more they can demonize it and focus attention against it.
It turns out that it's something like 18.5 million have not had the jab and something like 30 million have not had the full set because they've realized after they've had one or two that They're not having any more.
And there's just been a survey in Canada which 44% of those that were surveyed said that they believed that major events like wars and recessions and such like are actually orchestrated by a shady cabal that is working against humanity.
So when you look at that, you look at all the censorship to stop this information circulating, and all the demonization, and yet we are making tremendous progress.
But the progress has been made massively so.
I mean, it has been building.
I mean, I remember what it was like 32 years ago.
I mean, don't start me.
It was just impossible to get any of this stuff across.
But it has been building and building and building over those 32 years, but it's just exploded in the COVID era because basically what has been going on under the radar behind the scenes, in the shadows, The world increasingly was put on public display.
And it fundamentally started affecting people's lives, obviously, not least in Australia.
And so a lot more people have started to grasp that actually the world is not like they thought it was.
So we are making progress, even though that which we are challenging and exposing is making progress also.
Do you feel like it's fast enough, given where things are headed?
I mean, we can go into Agenda 2030 and all sorts of different things, but do you believe that we're making progress fast enough to turn the tide to be where we need to be?
Well, is it as fast as we want it?
Absolutely not. No.
Because I've been doing this for a long time, I've got perspective of what's happening now compared with what it was like.
And I can tell you that from 1990, when I had my first awakening to this, 1991, when I exploded open, and then through 92, 93, 94, right to the end of the 1990s into the new millennium, Trying to get people to see that this was coming was very, very difficult and very, very challenging.
Whereas now, I mean, you know, I would be ridiculed in the street, go down the town where I live and I'd be ridiculed in the street.
Going into a bar or something like that was just impossible because it was just...
Well, I did it anyway, but I mean, it was just...
All kind of ridicule and dismissal and what have you.
And now I'm stopped in the street all the time.
You know, if I walk from here to into the town, and it's only a town ride of about 25, 27,000 people on the Isle of Wight off the south coast of England.
Well, I did it yesterday, and I was stopped three times.
Just getting...
Five, six, seven minutes walk from here.
And very different, stopped for very different reasons now, I would imagine.
Yeah, being stopped from people wanting to say, thanks for what you do, keep going, and asking me questions about current events.
That is an absolute transformation.
And the point, too, is it's the kind of people that They're, you know, people that you wouldn't normally expect to be involved or interested in this because they're just regular people.
They just go about their regular lives.
But they've started to get streetwise in the last two and a half years to how the world is very different to what they thought it was.
And so, the progress actually, compared with, and it's all about context and comparison, compared with 1990-91 and onwards, is fantastic actually.
But if I was someone who had come into this arena more recently, And realize what was going on.
Then my perspective would not be from what it was like in 1990.
My perspective would be what needs to happen to make a difference.
And from that perspective, I can understand why people say that not enough people are waking up.
And they're not in terms of the numbers you need to push the dam down.
But compared with what it was like, phenomenal people and numbers of people are waking up.
And the longer this goes on...
And the more it impacts on people's lives, like this stage we're in now is to massively impact upon people economically, the more people will basically what people are looking for.
is a getaway car.
It's or have been up to this point and still are in large numbers and what I mean by that is they don't want to face what's going on so they're looking for a getaway car to explain why the conspiracy version of what's going on can't possibly be true and this can manifest itself and it does In vehemence against people who are exposing it.
And the reason for that, it's the same psychological principle as shut up, change the subject, don't want to talk about it.
Because if I talk about it and I think about it, there's a heck of a chance that I'm going to realize that actually I can't go on denying it because it is actually true.
So there's a lot of denial going on, but like I say, the more it's put in people's face, like it has been in the last two and a half years, the less power that denial has, because you basically run out of excuses.
I mean, if you look at the way the global economy has been demolished since the lockdowns kicked it off, You're going to have to be seriously self-deceptive if you are going to explain that, A, by randomness and B, by pure political and economic incompetence.
You reach the point Where that can't explain it anymore.
And what's left after that is that it's being done on purpose.
And I saw an interview recently with a billionaire in America, a New York billionaire, who's into refining.
He's got a lot of assets in the food industry.
And he said someone is trying to destroy America.
And he'd taken some time to get there because you're looking at incompetence, like I say.
You're looking at maybe just a series of random events that can come together to cause something to happen.
But he'd ran out of answers.
He'd ran out of explanations.
And what he now realizes is there's some force that is actually trying to destroy American society and the American economy.
So when you've got people in that, if you like, quote, class, who are starting to see it, then you know that you really are starting to get somewhere.
And this is where this massive hysterical censorship comes from.
You know, the whole foundation of human control, because you're talking about a few controlling billions, is to control the perceptions of the billions.
And you do that by controlling the information they receive to form those perceptions, which then dictate their behavior.
And so this whole censorship that's going on, I mean, it's just...
Absolutely ridiculous now.
The mildest questioning of almost anything in the system narrative is sensitive.
It's not from a point of view of strength.
They're not doing it because they're strong.
They're doing it because they're weak, because their narrative will not stand up to scrutiny, so they just have to stop the scrutiny.
Well, it's interesting that you bring that up because I had my team ask me the other day.
They said, what are you going to do with that interview with David Icke?
They said, you can't put it on Spotify or iTunes or YouTube or anything.
What are you going to do? And I said, I'll find a way, but, you know, we'll find a way.
And it's like, I know you have had all your social media closed down and shut down over the last couple of years, haven't you?
Yeah, it happened in 2020.
I crossed the line.
When I said there is no COVID in April the 6th, 2020, and once I said that, it all went.
They tried to cover that fact by saying it was because I said COVID was caused by 5G. No, no, I said 5G can instigate similar symptoms to what they're calling COVID. That's what I said.
But they twisted that and said that's why he was banned.
It wasn't why I was banned.
I was banned because I said there was no COVID. That's never been shown in any scientific paper to exist.
That was the line I crossed.
And, you know, what you can do, and people have to make their own choices on how best to respond.
What you can do is say, well, if I say this, they're censoring me.
If I say that, they're censoring me, so I won't say it.
And that's the choice.
Okay, you can do that. But there's a road that comes from that, which in the end, you don't say anything.
My view has always been, or my personal view, I'm going to say what I believe to be true, and the rest will take care of itself.
And so you say that, you'll get censored.
Well, I believe it to be true, so I'm saying it.
And then let the censors respond to me instead of me responding to the censors, because I'm the one with the power, not them.
I'm the one with the power because I don't want to censor anybody.
I don't want to censor all the abuse and ridicule that I've had.
I don't want to censor any of it.
Because once you start censoring people's ability to have an opinion, even one that can be proved to be wrong, then you're giving some authority the right to decide what's right and wrong and what can be heard and not heard.
And, you know, this is the thing that's missed in the whole freedom of speech debate.
The right to be wrong is the fundamental or a fundamental foundation of freedom of speech because of this.
What comes from it, which is that if you don't have the right to be wrong, Then someone's deciding what's right and wrong and what you can hear and can't hear, and you have tyranny.
If someone is saying something that you believe to be wrong, then produce the evidence in open debate and circulation to show that they're wrong.
That's what a free society would do.
And that's what a strong society would do.
But we don't have a strong society.
We don't have a strong cabal.
We have a very weak one, actually.
And the reason they therefore have to censor on the scale they are, more and more all the time, as more and more people wake up and see the game, the censorship increases with it.
It does, it does.
Those two things are absolutely connected because the more that people wake up, the more people there are to post information to get people to see a situation in a different light, so the more there is to censor.
So these people are on the run.
It may not seem like it.
Oh, you know, we censored this, censored that, can't go on this, no, can't go on that.
They're on the run because if you are secure and confident in what you're saying, then you're very happy for the free flow of information so people can challenge what you're saying and people can make their own mind up.
If you know that your narrative is a lie, and these people obviously do, then the only way that you're going to stop it being exposed as such is by censorship.
And that's why they're doing it.
And that's why they're weak, not strong.
Yeah, very good points, David.
Very good points. I'd like to ask you a question.
So people ask you all the time about the things that you talk, all of these things, people ask you questions around everything that we've been talking about and more, but I'd actually like to ask you about you.
Tell us about David Icke, the man, the father, because what you do goes beyond activism, and it's much deeper than fame, and I know you're not seeking personal significance.
There's a depth and substance there that I see that perhaps others may not, and I think you fight this battle on a very different plane of existence altogether, don't you?
Well, I'm coming from a point of view Of observing this world rather than, as much as I can, not getting caught in it.
And this is something that has been part of my life in the last 32 years.
See, if you look at the books, I think there might be one, The Trigger, which is all about what really happened on 9-11, what they told us.
But the rest...
Every book where I'm talking about the conspiracy, the names, dates, places, connections, conspiracy, the nature of reality is included in the book.
Because if you only have one, it's like if you go down the so-called new age route, you have people that are talking about expanded reality and expanded consciousness.
But overwhelmingly, They reel back in horror when you start talking about a conspiracy.
And they say things like, oh, yeah, you'll make people frightened if you tell them that.
Well, that's a choice to be frightened.
You can take this information and be frightened by it, or you can take this information and be empowered by it by knowing how the game is played so it doesn't play you as it has before.
And by the way, if you are saying, as the New Age is, you've got to let go of fear, yeah, yeah.
Well, so what's this with...
You can't talk about a conspiracy because you make people frightened.
I mean, how does that fit?
So you've got that where spirituality, you might call it, is used not as a means of change and evaluation of life.
It's used as a means of escape from it.
Causing change and re-evaluation of life.
And then on the other side, you've got those that are absolutely focused on the five cents conspiracy, as I call it.
The names, dates, places, connections level.
And if you only stay there, all you can see is fighting the enemy.
Stockpiling weapons and what have you.
Fighting the enemy.
And it's all a five-sense, what I call, body-mind level of perceiving everything.
And from that level, if you look at current events only from that level, then it's very difficult to make a case that we're going to get out of this.
But if you bring the two together, And you use your exploration of spirituality to realize actually that what we call the human is only a tiny, tiny fraction smear of who we really are.
And it's only a brief experience.
And the true I is consciousness.
It's that which is having the experience.
And only part of that consciousness is having the experience.
The other massive levels of us are observing that experience and are not caught up in it.
So you can have two very different, within the same consciousness, you can have two very different perspectives of the very same situation.
So, for instance, I've used this analogy before.
You are canoeing down a river, and you have decided in your five-sense body-mind you want to get to this point on the river by nightfall.
And you are canoeing along, and suddenly you spring a leak, and you've got to kind of get to the shore as best as you can, and you sit on the bank and you're fuming.
Because your five cents perception has not been fulfilled.
You are not going to get to that point on the river because you've got a hole in your boat.
And then somebody else comes over to you and says, hey, mate, you were bloody lucky there.
He's just around that corner.
Big waterfall. You don't know.
But some other level of you did know.
And if you come from that perspective, that panoramic perspective that is not caught in this five sense label-ridden identity, then you can see things, you can connect things, and you can intuitively know things If you get into that intuitive knowing level, you don't need your boat to spring a leak.
You just intuitively know, look, hold on, I'm going to get across to the bank.
I'm going to get some more information about where this river's going.
Because I just feel here somewhere that I shouldn't go on at the moment.
I should find out more.
But when you're not in that sensitivity, then your other levels of consciousness can manifest actually events that your five senses experience, which is a hole in your boat.
And we think that's a random event.
It's not. It's something that's been created to stop you going over a bloody waterfall.
And if you listen and see the signs, then you can navigate life.
You can navigate the...
The maze in a way that you can't if you just go five cents everything.
So from my point of view, I'm looking at the picture from this level of awareness, the observing level of awareness.
You can see how the dots connect and you can also see what the fundamental foundation of all of it is, the conspiracy, and that's to isolate human attention In the five senses, in the body-mind. That's the whole foundation of the conspiracy.
It's all about perception control, perception manipulation, and focus control.
So, we are told to self-identify the I with the labels of a human life.
Like, I am ours, I call them, I am a man, I am a woman, I am this sexuality, I am this race, I am this religion, whatever.
And what you're doing when you focus your identity at that level is you're identifying and self-identifying with limitation.
At that level, it's an I can't world.
It's an it's not possible world.
And yet it's all possible and it's not limited once you realize that you are not limited because you are not those labels that you identify with.
You are the consciousness, ultimately, infinite in nature, that is having that experience.
And so you can see the way that This focus of attention on labels, label self-identity, phantom self, I call it, is being made more and more extreme now because there is an awakening going on.
More and more people are going through this process of awakening.
Awakening from what? Awakening from five sense perception alone.
So they now start to see dots connecting instead of just dots.
And You therefore have the pressure going the other way from this cabal, this global cult as I call it, to focus attention On more and more myopia and subdivisions of the previous self-identity labels.
So this is why we have this list of letters that's getting longer and longer all the time, LGBT and on and on it goes, where people are self-identifying the I with the minutiae, the absolute minutiae of their sexuality and sexual preference.
And what that's doing, it's focusing attention in a way that's making people self-identify with smaller and smaller and smaller versions of themselves.
And as you get smaller and smaller in your...
Self-identity and self-description, you're pulling yourself out the other way from going into expanded states of awareness.
So this is what we're seeing.
We're seeing people going more and more into the myopia.
This woke mentality is absolutely designed to do that.
And at the same time, you're seeing other people who are going the other way, that are opening Their consciousness to great and greater insight, possibility, understanding.
And this is why you see this, and it really became obvious during the COVID years, is that there is this chasm opening up between those who are going deeper into the sleep and those that are coming out of it.
That's what's happening. And it's those that are coming out of the sleep that are going to bring this down, because they're the only people that can.
So in terms of consciousness then, I mean, I've heard you talk about this before on other interviews that you've done.
So when you talk about consciousness and you talk about this expanded awareness, and I'll share something with you.
It's only been the last five years or so.
I'm 48. It's been the last five years or so.
cultivating connection with intuition, my own intuition.
And as I've started doing that I've realized expanded, just an expansion of my
awareness and beyond the self, beyond the as you talked about the I, and then
you start to perceive things very differently. And I have also noticed that as I've
been doing that it's almost like I've been calling in other people who are
doing exactly the same, very similar, you know.
And I've heard you speak about it.
That's exactly how it works.
It's exactly how it works, isn't it?
Vibration, frequency, energy, and that real connection with...
Some people might call it our higher self.
They might call it source. They might call it intuition.
It actually doesn't matter what we call it, does it?
It's just this connection that we all have with each other and with the universe, you might say.
Yeah, and beyond the universe.
I mean, it's interesting.
If you look at the world that we live in and we perceive the world of the scene, which is just a narrow band of frequency, so tiny as laughable, that we can actually see.
Then it's a world where everything seems to be apart from everything else.
And that's because the five senses decode reality like that.
So in this band of visible light, as we call it, the sight senses can see the frequency band of what we call form, things.
So I'm looking around me now.
I can see a couple of lights.
I can see a window. I can see a computer.
But between them is empty space to my five senses.
But actually, it's not empty space.
It's consciousness. It's energy.
And therefore, everything, all these forms that appear to be apart from everything else, as I appear to be apart from other people, We're actually connected through this field, I call it the field, of energy consciousness.
And so we are in so many ways communicating with each other on that level all the time.
And the more sensitive you get, The more that communication becomes obvious.
It's like, you know, still in some societies today, like in Africa and other places, they have what they call the bush telegraph, where people out in the bush or out hunting or whatever are aware of things that are happening back in the village.
They'll think something's happened in the village.
We've got to go back. And so how does that happen?
Because every time we think, every time we feel, we are generating a frequency.
We generate, we're broadcasting a frequency.
And the frequency relates to the nature of the thought and the nature of the emotion.
Low vibrational emotion like fear, classically, depression, etc.
Resentment, hatred, all these things.
They're very low frequency.
And when people are in states of depression, they'll say, oh, I feel so heavy today.
Well, they literally do because those frequencies that are generated by that feeling...
are making the energetic field around them, including their own energetic field, which interacts with their field, like a computer interacts with Wi-Fi.
They are very low frequencies, and so they are vibrating the energy field of themselves in a very slow, low wavelength, and it feels like heavy.
And when people feel love and joy, they say, oh, I feel so light today, because those frequencies are very quick, and they make the energetic field Very much lighter, literally, than the alternative.
And so all the time we are interacting with this field.
Now, if this cabal, and this is what the cabal wants, it can make this field that we're interacting with, like the Wi-Fi field, very low vibrational.
By infusing into it low vibration or emotion, etc., then we are interacting with that low vibrational field and it's very, very likely to affect us.
If you want to affect all the fish at the same time, then you affect the sea and you've got it.
It's the same thing here. Trying to control the frequency and the field that we're interacting with is a fundamental part of this.
But if you open your mind from just five sense reality and you start to Connect out into the great beyond.
Then you start tapping into that frequency and you start becoming a vehicle, a broadcaster of that frequency.
You connect with it because of your self-identity.
If you self-identify with being Ethel on the checkout at the supermarket and that's all I am, then that's the frequency you'll operate on.
And it will be a very low frequency because your sense of limitation becomes limited frequency.
But when you start self-identifying with being all that is, has been and ever can be, having a brief human experience, then that self-identity taps you into that level of awareness.
And now you become a vehicle for it.
Now you are broadcasting into the field this high vibrational energy.
And you're changing the field.
This field is an interactive phenomenon.
It affects us, but we can affect it by our nature.
So this is why this cult wants low vibrational states of being.
It wants all these depression, fear, hatred, conflict, all these things, war, Because it's not only is the field then affecting people to pull them into those low levels, those people are generating those levels, those levels of frequency.
And so one's empowering the other and the whole thing goes down.
But as people awaken and awaken through the heart, then we are now challenging that Low vibrational state in the field by raising its frequency.
And as that frequency is raised, then that higher frequency starts to affect more and more people who are interacting with the field.
And they start to think differently.
They start to see differently.
They start to feel differently because they're being affected by changes in the field.
This is what's going on all the time.
So what is the bush telegraph?
It's simply The people out in the bush tuning in to the frequencies that are being generated by those back in the field, back in the village rather, through the field.
And because when people get really close in relationships and family relationships, when they're close and they are open, then the communication between them It becomes very, very powerful. And they just know something is happening to another person, even though they're nowhere near them.
And so you get this phenomena.
How many times have we heard this?
I've heard it so many times.
Someone rings someone, maybe from the other side of the bloody world sometimes, come some of the stories I've heard.
And the person picks up the phone.
Hello. Oh, hello, it's Jim.
In Melbourne. Oh, bloody hell!
I was just thinking of you.
So, okay, I was just thinking of you and the phone rang and it was you.
What the hell?
What is going on exactly?
What happened is the guy in Australia was thinking of the guy in England because he's about to ring him.
And the guy in England has picked up that frequency of the guy thinking of him because he's about to ring him.
And as he's thought and tapped into it, he's had this thought of, oh, you know, I wonder what happened to Jim in Australia or whatever his name is.
Bang! The phone rings and it's Jim!
What? Miracle! No, not a miracle.
It's the way things work.
I was filming recently in Scotland and I was with a producer and the crew from Iconic.
We're doing a couple of films.
And I'm sitting in the back of the car, driving through the Scottish countryside, and suddenly, out of bloody nowhere, I get this song in my head, which goes, speed, bonnie, bold like a bird on the wing over the sea to sky, right? An old, the sky boat song, right?
Where's that coming from?
Anyway, so we carry on. About five minutes later, it starts again.
I'm thinking, why am I thinking of that?
So we get to this stone circle, right, where we're about to do some filming.
And the producer is standing next to me in this stone circle, just, you know, literally, you know, 10 minutes after I've had this second thing in my head.
And she starts singing.
She just starts singing.
She goes, Speed, Barney, bold like a bird.
Oh, wow. Wow.
I said to her, what? What made you sing that?
She said, I don't know. It's just going around my head.
Right? So this communication is going on all the time.
And the more sensitive you get, the more often and powerful it becomes.
But when you go into this desensitized, focus, odian, body, mind...
What are you doing? You are literally shutting yourself off from the field in terms of sensitivity.
So you're not having these experiences, which you perfectly could have if you would open your mind, your self-identity and see that the world's not like you thought it was.
You know, this leads me into something that I wanted to ask you about because I told a friend of mine that I was interviewing you and he said, oh yeah, that's that reptilian guy.
I said, well, there's a bit more to him than that.
And anyway, he Googled you and he had a look on Wikipedia and he said, do you know that he's spoken for nine and up to 12 hours straight in front of people?
And I said, no I didn't, but I said, because he's a speaker, and he said to me, how do you think he did that?
And I said to him, and I'd love for you to confirm this for me if you could, but I said to him, I would say that David is probably very connected, very connected, and when he's speaking for 9 to 11 hours straight, it probably doesn't even feel like that long for him.
He's just a conduit for what's coming through him from a higher place.
Yeah, it doesn't feel like 10 to 12 hours.
And, you know, you get through 12 hours, 10 hours, and you still scratch the surface in terms of what the detail you could add is why I write the books as well.
Yeah, so what you do is you accumulate knowledge through what I might call five sensory search.
But there's some other level from which, and it's this level, which sees how the dots connect.
That's the level that fuses the knowledge together into a tapestry where A leads to B leads to C leads to D, connects to A, connects to B, connects to C, connects to D. And so when I'm writing the books, for instance, I'm obviously checking facts all the time, but there's a field of energy around me when I'm writing as well, which is kind of...
Guiding the flow. So when I start writing a book, I might have a title and I might have a theme in my head of where I think it might go.
But once you start, it goes its own way.
There is a guiding force that's saying, look at this, look at this, now look at that.
You see how that connects to that?
This is happening all the time.
And there's many times that I've been on a stage or in an interview about this and I've said something and I've thought, well, that's interesting.
Where the hell did that come from?
Right? But then again, are you connecting with some external entity or are you connecting with expanded levels of yourself?
Because it's like infinity is broken up into all these different levels of awareness and what connects you to one is your self-identity and your willingness to open your mind.
So you look at The way that we interact with the world, reality, and you can see that there are different levels within the human entity that connect us with different levels of consciousness.
So the head, for instance, it doesn't have to be, it can expand also, but overwhelmingly what we call the intellect is just focusing on the five-sense world.
Then you've got the gut, which is basically where we feel emotion.
And you have these vortex points in the human energy field called chakras after the Sanskrit word meaning wheels of light.
And these seven major chakras, there are others too, are interpenetrating the energetic fields and how...
How far they penetrate and therefore how far they've penetrated into influences our perception dictates our wake or sleep we are.
So if you have Low vibrational, emotional states, for instance.
Fear. I mean, why do people feel like, what we say, they get the shits when they feel nervous?
Because the chakra for...
Emotion is in the belly.
That's why we feel emotion in the belly.
Oh, I've got this piece of lead in the pit of my stomach because of what's happened and all that stuff.
And if you go into low vibration, emotional states, then that low vibration means that
you only connect with that vibration and therefore are only affected by that vibration, which
means you can go into an eddy of low vibration, emotion, feeding low vibration, emotion.
So people go through their lives always in that state.
Then you've got the head and the intellect that's focusing on the five sense world alone.
overwhelmingly, this is where you get academia from.
Academia and mainstream science, with honourable exceptions, though not that many really, they're all imprisoned in the head, and so unless they can see it, touch it, taste it, and what have you, then it can't exist.
But then you have the heart chakra here, and this is the one, if it's opened, That can take us right out there into the realms of knowledge, insight, awareness that this will never tap into.
And this is why the head thinks.
For the head, the intellect, to come to a conclusion, there is a sequence of thought leading to the conclusion.
Whereas intuition, where do we feel intuition?
When we're saying, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, people go, look, I'm thinking, I'm thinking.
And then when they say they know, they go, I know, I know, I just know.
Why? Because the body language is pointing to where that is coming from.
And so when you get intuitive knowing, It doesn't come as a sequence.
It comes as a package.
The whole thought or the whole intuitive knowing knows.
It doesn't have to conclude.
It knows and it comes as a package, not as a sequence of thought leading to a conclusion.
And the reason for that is that this taps into those levels of awareness that do know.
They don't have to work it out.
They know. And if you tap into them, you can know.
Whereas their head has to work it out.
And that's why it's thinking and going through a process of thought to a conclusion, trying to work it out.
So if you take that across academia and mainstream science overwhelmingly, you've got people trying to work it out.
And often trying to work it out from the perspective only of the five sense world and under the pressure of knowing that if they go beyond that five sense perception in their conclusions, then they're going to lose their funding and they're going to get ridiculed by their peers in mainstream science who are stuck in the head also.
And so when you open your heart and you go into those levels of knowing Then you are always going to be at odds with normal.
Because normal is actually stupid.
It's incredibly limited in its perception of everything, thus in the way it does things.
So when you open your heart, that's when you, if you go with it and you speak its truth, you know you're going to get really killed and abused.
But Would you rather do that or just be a sheep in your head or a sheep in your belly?
This is the decision that people have to make.
And so you've got basically three types of people.
You've got those that just believe what authority says without question.
You've got those that don't believe without question but fear not doing what authority says because they fear the consequences of not doing it.
They're people stuck in the belly or what will happen if I say what I really think and don't do what they tell me or stuck in their head.
What authority says is true.
I must believe it.
And that leaves the third group, which can see it because they have expanded beyond the five cents prison cell.
But they also won't cooperate with it either because they're coming from the heart.
And when you come from the heart, you let go of this prison that people live in called fear because this knows that we are all that is, has been and ever can be.
It knows that we are having a brief experience called human, and that life is eternal, consciousness is eternal.
And this is just a brief experience, and there'll be another one along eventually, pretty soon.
And from that point of view, the fear of what might happen to you in this brief little experience within your eternity takes on a very different perspective to when you think this world is all there is.
This is my only life.
So whatever happens here is all that I am.
Then your perspective of authority and intimidation is very different to when you open your heart and you realize that There is nothing to fear and the only thing that causes us to fear is that we're manipulated to fear through ignorance.
It's a very different perspective that not a lot of people are actually willing to take on for themselves, that there is more beyond the five senses, there's more beyond the physical, because I think for hundreds of years, if not thousands of years, we've been very well conditioned, very expertly conditioned to believe that this is all there is, our five senses, and there's a hierarchy, and we just have to We have to live within that hierarchy and pay attention to authority and that's how it works because anything beyond that takes away the control that the hierarchy wants.
Yeah, so people might just reverse engineer that and ask why we're in a situation where Where we do have a hierarchy where the peak of the hierarchy has got smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller with every passing decade going back hundreds and hundreds of years at least.
We've gone from The tribal situation, making decisions about the tribe to the accumulation and absorbing of many tribes into a nation.
Now a few people at the center of the nation are dictating to all the tribes.
Then we've gone into the European Union and these trading blocs and what have you.
whereby a few people are now dictating to all the nations that were formerly all the tribes and this centralization and centralization of power which has been very systematic not random we've even given a name globalization has reached a point now where wealth in the world and power in the world has been a commute well The perceived power in the world has been accumulated into the hands of a ridiculously few people.
So this treaty that the World Health Organization wants and has been pushed back a couple of years by the rejection by African nations recently, but the provisions of the treaty, they'll be getting those in step by step anyway.
That's the way they work.
What would happen if this treaty became law?
Every nation in the world that's affiliated to the World Health Organization, which means almost all of them, would be dictated to in terms of whether there's a pandemic that would be decided by the World Health Organization.
And the response to the pandemic, lockdown, whatever, mass mandatory vaccination, will be dictated to by the World Health Organization.
So what's the World Health Organization?
It's an organization created by the Rockefeller family on behalf of this global cult in 1948 to control under one roof the whole global health policy, which is what this treaty would finally give them.
They've been working towards this for a long time.
Who owns the World Health Organization now?
Well, Bill Gates, officially through funding, but he's just a gopher for the Rockefeller Foundation.
And the Rockefeller family.
And then you say, well, what else dictates global health policy?
Well, the big pharmaceutical cartel.
Okay, Pfizer's and Moderna's and all these people, Johnson& Johnson.
Okay. So who created the big pharma cartel in the first place?
Oh, J.D. Rockefeller, the oil tycoon.
And so you just look at that tiny, tiny number of people in 8 billion that would be dictating the entirety of health policy virtually for everybody from a central point.
This, in all areas and subject areas of our lives, is where this has been heading all along.
Because the few can only control the many if the few control the points of decision-making.
The more diversity of decision-making you have, the less control any small central cabal can have.
There's too many points they have to control.
They can't do it. So they don't want devolution of power.
They want centralization of power.
So in this reverse engineering process, I would invite people to Why and how did that come about?
How and why? It's because it's systematic.
So if you are going to create a hierarchy where the few control the many you have to keep the many in ignorance of what's really going on you have to get them to think that this incessant centralization of power is random and just the way things are is the natural way things go when it's all kind of fundamentally manipulated and so When you are stuck in the five senses, then you perceive this five sense hierarchy in a certain way.
But when you start to awaken from that prison cell and you start to enter expanded states of awareness, those insights get you to see a panorama of the hierarchy that you couldn't see before.
And you realize what's really going on, that actually it's a prison cell for the human population by controlling their perception and therefore dictating their lives and dictating their behavior.
And so it is in absolutely, has no interest, this cult.
None. It's terrified of people realizing that this tiny band of frequency we call the world, that's all it is, It's not all there is.
It's only the level that our five senses are aware of.
In fact, beyond the walls of that perceptual prison, infinity exists.
And that infinity is an infinite expression of us, which in the human experience is just a focused point of attention.
This body, as we perceive it, Decodes energy, information, in a way that focuses our attention in this tiny band of frequencies.
So the tiny band of frequencies becomes the world, all there is, because that's all through five sense perception we can perceive and decode into an apparent existence.
And so the focus of attention has to be constantly, constantly underpinned throughout a human life so that you don't break out and start to see, hold on a minute.
That's only a fraction of what there is and I am.
Look at what we really are and I really am.
So you look at the education system and it's focusing attention on the five senses.
You look at the exams and the curriculums, they're all five sense phenomena.
You look at the vast majority of Of education at the university level.
It's five sense phenomena.
And if you go out of the five sense phenomena, then you are crazy and you're not to be taken seriously.
It's a constant barrage of information, abuse and ridicule to keep you focused there.
So people who are focused on this tiny band of frequency And disconnected, therefore, from the infinity beyond it, they're the people that say, look, mate, I live in the real world, right?
No, you don't.
You live in a tiny band of frequency you think is the bloody world.
And so because of the, and this is part of it too, because of the ridicule and abuse that people get when they break out of that norm of myopic perception, The great majority, even though they think things, they won't say them.
And me being a stubborn bastard won't have that.
So if people want to ridicule me as much as they like, I mean, you know, Be my guest.
You know, abuse me.
Be my guest. I don't want to censor you, by the way, for the reasons I've said.
But you just go ahead and do it.
But you know something? It ain't going to stop me at all.
Because the next time I open my mouth, I'm going to say what I believe and not what you want to hear.
And if more and more people do that, then we break the stranglehold of information, and therefore we start to break the stranglehold of focused attention as people realize, actually, there's more to this than that.
David, I could speak with you for hours, but I want to respect your time, and I really appreciate this.
I have three final questions for you that some of my followers have actually asked me to ask you.
I've cherry-picked these because, of course, there's been the standard questions, but I actually love these three questions, and I hope you don't mind.
Do you know how much you're loved and admired around the world?
Well, you start to make me cry now.
I've never really thought about that too much.
I sit here in this little room and turn it out.
But when I get out there, I'm very moved by what people say to me in the street, really.
And it's very moving to me.
And it makes everything that I've done and experienced worth it.
Because that's the reason you do it.
You know, when someone says to you, you've changed my life for the better.
Well, I mean, that's a gift, isn't it?
I mean, that's a gift to me because that's the point of doing it.
Yeah, so many people that I've spoken with when I said that I was interviewing David Icke, they said, oh, I've heard his interviews.
He is such a beautiful, connected man.
And it must be just heartwarming to hear that stuff.
It must be. Because you've gone through some stuff over the last 30 years.
You know, when you went on national television on the, what was the show, the Wogan show, I think it was, in 1991 or something?
That was it. Sorry?
It was... Yep, yep.
I would imagine that the ridicule that followed you after that and the abuse that was hurled at you after that would have been mind-blowing.
Yeah, it was. It was historic, really.
I mean, for years and years and years and years after that, I couldn't walk down the street without being laughed at.
And comedians only had to say my name on telly and they got a laugh.
They didn't need a joke. I was the joke.
But, you know, something drives you on.
What was that thing that drove you to keep on going?
Well, it comes from somewhere else.
You know, if you only operate in the five senses and your five sense level of what you see as your total eye is abused and ridiculed on that historic level of scale, then it can destroy you.
But when you're coming from a point of view that this is just a brief experience in the exploration of forever, forever, then it doesn't hit you in the same way.
But what I've done, I've got a book, it's just coming off the printers now, called The Trap.
And I'm really, really pleased with it.
The first three chapters of that are actually biographical.
And I go into some of this stuff and how it affected me and how it didn't affect me and why it didn't affect me and where in the places it did.
And then it goes on into deeper and deeper and deeper levels until we're really into the levels of How big is this trap?
Does it end at what we call death or does it continue if we continue in a particular frequency band of perception?
It's very deep.
But it was a very therapeutic thing for me to write those Three biographical chapters because it brought back so many memories and feelings of that time.
And it's like everything, you know, you look back and you think, well, how did I get through that?
But you do. You do.
That's the point. You do come out the other side.
But you only do it if you keep putting one foot in front of the other.
If you stop and feel sorry for yourself and start going into victim mode or you stop because you try to explain to people why they shouldn't be abusing you.
Well, you know, you're going way off the path then.
You just keep going. You keep going.
And what I've found at kind of this, you know, writing those three chapters kind of reminded me of this, is that the abusers that have come in and had a go and tried to stop me and all that stuff and ridiculed me, and then they kind of go.
And then another group come in from some other point, And they have a go.
And this has happened over and over again through the last 32 years.
But you keep going boom, boom, boom, boom.
And eventually you wear them out because they know they're not going to stop you.
So they can continue if they like, but they don't have any more success than they have before.
And you literally wear them out simply because you won't stop.
You keep going.
Bang, bang, boom, boom.
And you keep going because you know what the outcome is planned to be, and it's an outcome you don't want to see a worst enemy experience if it can be avoided.
And you certainly don't want kids and grandkids and everyone's kids and grandkids to be living in this beyond dystopia that's planned.
So you do everything you can to alert people to it, to...
Bring about a realization that it can be headed off.
And it can be because you've only got to look at numbers.
It's simple mathematics.
Get, you know, people get yourself a calculator, put 8 billion people in, 8 billion, and then take off those in absolute knowledge of what they're doing in this cult, as opposed to the compartmentalized ignorant ones.
who contribute to something they don't really know they're contributing to.
And you won't be left with many less than the 8 billion you started out with if you take off the people in full knowledge of what they're doing.
So in pure mathematics, the only way that this can succeed is if we concede to it and allow it to happen.
And this is why, again, they work so hard to keep from people what's really going on, all the censorship, exactly what's going on now.
And like I said, the more they awaken, the more they have to censor to stop this coming out.
Because the only way that that can succeed, the few can concede in what they're doing with the many, is for the many not to know what's actually going on and who's behind it and why.
So once you know what this outcome is planned to be, nothing will stop you.
Nothing will stop you continuing to do it and doing it more and more as best you can.
And this is why, you know, over the years, I've been pretty shocked sometimes to see people come into this arena, talk about it for a bit, and maybe become flavor of the month for a short time, and then they disappear.
Well, how can you disappear?
You know, you've got some idea what the outcome's planned to be.
How can you disappear? How can you walk away from it?
How can you sleep at night?
You know, I don't get that.
Once you know, you've got to keep going because if you don't, what you know is planned is going to happen.
The idea is to stop it.
And we can. We can.
But only with A, understanding where we're being taken, and two, understanding what is being suppressed within us that allows that direction to go on.
I would say that out of those two things, the most important thing for people to realise is what is being suppressed within us.
Yes, exactly. Do you agree with that?
Yep. 100%.
Yep. Okay.
This is the second question.
So what's the nicest thing anyone's ever done for you, David?
I don't know.
Lots of people have done lots of nice things for me.
So there's just too many, really.
Well, that's good to hear.
That's a good problem to have, isn't it?
Yeah. Yeah. People are very, very, very kind.
Some of that are not, of course, but a lot of people are very, very kind.
And that's what happens when you awaken.
You start to find this kindness, this ability to tap into what we call love.
You're able to come from that direction.
And what you're looking for is win-win situations, not win-lose.
So it's not a case of how can I screw this guy to get the best benefit for me.
It's, well, sometimes if you're looking at the justice of a situation, this guy should have it all.
And I shouldn't have any of it because...
If you look at the situation justly, he's the one that's made it happen, so he should get the reward, not me who's not made it happen.
And it goes the other way with personal sovereignty, where you say, well, look, I've done all of this, so I deserve this.
But you're looking for win-win situations where people get their just benefit.
And also, of course, you know, when someone's in trouble and you can help them or you help them, that's what this does.
It's not a case of, well, you know, you've fallen in hard times.
Well, that's your fault, mate. I'm just going to walk the other way.
Are you happy that Gareth, your son Gareth, is following in your footsteps?
Yeah, not just Gareth.
He's doing great.
Jamie, my other son, has just done amazing things creating this platform called Iconic, the like of which I say there's nothing like it in the world because of the range of subjects and films and documentaries and news shows that it does.
And my daughter too, Kerry, I mean, she's a real stalwart Fighting for freedom as well.
And my brother Paul up in Leicester, he's the same.
It's kind of in the genes, really.
It's in the family, by the sounds of it.
It's in the genes or it's in the consciousness, I don't know.
And the interesting thing about that is that I never push this stuff on any of them.
I don't think that's the right thing to do.
I don't think a parent is there to indoctrinate.
A parent is there to support.
And if my...
If my children wanted to go off in another direction, I might have had my opinion.
Well, you know, have you thought about this?
But I certainly wouldn't have said, look, I'm telling you, you ain't going to do that.
Because, you know, we bring children into the world, but they are consciousness.
They are consciousness and they have to go their own way that they choose to go.
But so what's happened is that they've chosen to go in this direction.
And, you know, they're doing fantastic.
And it's great, great support for me.
And it's wonderful to see the iconic It's progressing all the time, given how short a life it's had.
It's only about two and a half years it's been going.
And that's down to Jamie and it's down to the presentation skills of Gareth.
And it makes me very proud, really, that my family is so unified in wanting to make a difference.
Yeah, that's wonderful. And that's a testament to your level of fatherhood and parenthood as well.
Well, you know, like I said, you know, my view of parenthood is you support your kids and you kind of guide your kids from your own experience, but you don't dictate to them and you don't tell them what they...
What they should and should not do and what they can and cannot do in that sense.
When they're younger, you know, you're protecting them from things they're not aware of.
But as they become their own people, then they have to be allowed to go in their direction, in the direction they want.
I mean, how many people are, you know, my mother wants me to do this and my dad wants me to go into this.
Well, that's none of their business.
Their business is to support you in what you choose to do.
And the other thing about bringing up children, in my view, is we shouldn't be protecting our kids from every upset and every emotional challenge and every problem.
We shouldn't be doing that because I think that does them no favors whatsoever.
And what I see more and more is parents that are trying to protect their kids from everything.
And so when they leave the nest and they go out into the world, they have no emotional structure, strength to deal with the world that's not going to treat them like the parents have.
So they kind of fall apart.
And if you notice, from a psychological point of view, what this system has been doing now with the younger generations, and getting older all the time, is attempt to turn out weak people.
Emotionally weak people.
And when you're emotionally weak and therefore you're frightened of your own shadow and you're frightened of everything, then you're looking all the time to authority to protect you from what you've been manipulated to fear.
So weak people, fearful people, are just fodder for the system to absorb them and to control them.
Whereas strong people, they don't want to be protected from this, that and the other because they can deal with it.
They can deal emotionally with situations because they've had them.
So, you know, when my kids were growing up, it wasn't a case of just running around and You know, protecting them, you know, daddy's here now, mummy's here now, it was, okay, well, we're in this situation, you're in this situation, I'm going to support you, of course, in what's happened, but you've got to deal with it.
You've got to emotionally deal with it.
Because no one else can.
And what happens is, and this has happened with my kids anyway, is when they go out into the world, they have these emotional strengths which allow them to deal with what goes on and the challenges that they face.
And, you know, because of all the ridicule and abuse that I have had, they've had to deal with that as well.
While I was on the Wogan show, my daughter and my son, Gareth, they were going to school every day.
What was that like for them?
Obviously, it was a nightmare because they were ridiculed as well.
But what it did was make them strong people.
I've said this many times.
Life gives you your greatest gifts, often brilliantly disguised as your worst nightmare.
My greatest gift was all the ridicule I went through because it allowed me to let go of the fear of what other people think, which is the prison that most people live in.
And the ridicule that my kids went through as a result of what happened to me It gave them the ability to let go of the fear of what other people think.
So I have children who are unique people in themselves.
They're not clones of me.
They are unique people.
And any parent look at their kids and think, you know, my kid is their own person.
They're their own unique self.
They're their own unique perception.
And they conclude what's going on.
Through their own mind, their own processes, and they don't just take it off the peg.
And just because some authority figure tells them what to think, doesn't mean they're going to think it.
And that's the greatest gift I think we could give our children, is the ability to be their own unique self and not what society tells them they must be.
Yeah, I totally agree, David.
I totally agree. Forging Excalibur, this is my men's coaching brand that we have and we're worldwide as well.
I want to go back to what you said about society creating weak people.
We support men in the creation and the emergence of their own powerful strength.
And encourage them to step up and be leaders of themselves and their families and maybe even communities if they choose to do that.
Do you think men collectively these days are strong and powerful or submissive and weak or something else entirely?
Oh, I think they're being pressured to become submissive and weak.
Yeah. I did note quite a few times during the Covid lockdown era and the protests how much women were the drivers And not men.
And see, you look at testosterone levels, sperm counts, all these things, they're falling and they're falling dramatically.
And it's being done chemically.
It's being done through the smartphone radiation and other different ways.
And this whole thing about toxic masculinity is to make strong men who say, I'm not having it.
Feel that they're somehow strange and kind of monster-like.
Because masculinity is that which says we're not having it.
And you can have masculinity in women, too.
They may be female in every other way, but when it comes to I'm not having it, that masculine side of it, you want to use that word, kicks in and they won't have it.
So the more that they can diminish this The more that they will be able to control.
And if you look at the woke male, they are incredibly weak people.
And that's what they want.
And if you look at the pushbackers around the world, and you look at the males of the pushbackers, Then they are strong men, as men once were in much greater numbers.
See, what they're doing with the American military is they're wokenizing it And they are diminishing the masculinity of the American military systematically, while in China they are insisting that masculinity is ever more infused into their military.
So the woke mentality is actually about making people weak, making men weak, I'm making people in general in the woke mentality emotionally weak, where everything is an emotional upset.
And we get offended by everything.
Yeah. I mean, I don't know what that feels like, to be honest.
I mean, I don't think I'm being offended, because this is the whole point.
It's not...
What people say to you and do about you, it's your response to it.
You know, I'm offended.
Okay, well, that's a choice.
You have not been caused to be offended.
You have chosen to be offended.
Because if someone said to me, What they've said to you and you have chosen to be offended by, I would say, well, thanks for sharing that with me.
Have a nice day. And it would go in one ear and out the other.
So being offended is a choice.
Choose not to be.
Game over. But that's what strong people, not just strong men, strong women, strong people, Do.
They are in their own...
They've got their own self-security.
They are secure in themselves.
They're not looking for external confirmation of their security.
It's like, you know, the BBC. You were brilliant, darling.
What was I like? You know, that sort of stuff.
Instead of saying, well, you know, I was good there and I don't need someone to tell me I was good because I knew I was.
I know I was. Or maybe I don't seem to say I made a mistake there.
I know I did. You know, that's what security does.
It's honest with itself. But it comes from within.
It doesn't need external confirmation of itself.
And this is why so many insecure people end up in places like Hollywood and entertainment.
It's because they're seeking this external confirmation of their own self.
And that's what wokers are doing all the time.
And those that are what we call, what I call pushbackers, they tend to be people who are strong within themselves.
So people can say what they like about them, but it doesn't affect them.
It goes in one ear and out the other.
Because they know that that's not true, that's not true, or that's not true.
So why should I Why should I be affected by all these things being said about me that are not true?
People say to me about, you know, so-and-so said this about you, how are you going to respond?
I said, well, I'm not. Why should I respond to an idiot?
I mean, what benefit is that to me?
None. What benefit is it to the idiot?
None, because they won't realize that what they've said is a nonsense.
So there's no point.
I'm just going to get on with my life. Well, what will people think about them saying that?
Well, If people are so lacking self-respect that they will believe what this nonsense is saying without even checking it, then why should I worry about what people like that think of me?
Why? What matters is what we think of us.
Honestly, what we think of us, not what someone else thinks of us.
And what the...
The way the world has been taken is that people are constantly in fear of what other people think of them.
If I say this, what will people think?
Well, my thought process is go, this is what I think of this.
It doesn't go on, what will people think of me saying this?
This is what I think of this.
End of story. There is no other aspect to it.
And so how people respond to me for what I've said is up to them.
That's their choice. And rightly, they have that choice.
But I'm not going to be affected by it.
You know, I'm this, I'm that and the other.
Oh, well, thanks for sharing that with me.
Thank you very much. Have a nice day.
And once you step out, Of that fear of what other people think.
All the mental gymnastics that people go through today before they open their mouth, especially in a work situation or a communal situation.
Can I say this?
Should I say this? All that stuff.
It goes. You just open your mouth and what you believe comes out.
And that's the way that information circulates and doesn't get Censored.
Because the worst form of censorship is self-censorship.
Because not even a debate about whether it should be said or heard goes on.
You just don't say it.
And that's what this intimidation is all about.
It's what this woker intimidation is all about.
It's intimidating people into staying silent so that their view has no platform whatsoever because they're not going to express it.
We mustn't fall for that.
I've seen, have you heard of Matt Walsh?
Yes, Matt Walsh.
He's had a very good documentary, really, What is a Woman, right?
That's right. I watched it the other night and he's beginning to be censored.
He was on Dr.
Phil. He had an interview with Dr.
Phil and there was a, I won't go into all of the details, but he had an interview with Dr.
Phil and it was on YouTube and it got taken down.
It got taken down because he talks about how, well, you know what he talks about and people can watch the documentary.
His whole interview, his whole appearance on Dr.
Phil got taken down off YouTube.
And it blows my mind.
It just blows my mind, the amount of censorship and suppression that's going on worldwide, everywhere.
You're used to it. It's been going on for you for the past 30 years.
It's crazy, isn't it?
Yeah, but if we go back to what I said earlier, why was Walsh's interview censored?
Because... The trans activist version, which is why the cult funds trans activists via people like Soros, their narrative is so insane So at odds with reality, physics, science, whatever you want to call it, it's absolutely unsupportable and undefendable, which is why it's so easy to take it apart.
So... If you're going to defend it, there's only one way you can do it.
Not let anyone criticize what you're saying.
So that's all that people hear is what you're telling them.
That's why it's there.
It's not from, like, I repeat again, it's not from a point of strength.
It's from a point of weakness, a point of fear.
What's going to happen to our agenda if people are allowed to, um, Have the free flow of information.
Well, it's going to disappear. It's going to collapse.
That's the truth and they know it.
That's what the censorship's about.
And this whole transgender thing has so many aspects to it.
First of all, the agenda is for a no procreating human.
Where humans are produced technologically in the way that Aldous Huxley talked about in Brave New World in 1932.
And the species is planned to be produced by AI. You may have seen a story this week about scientists, I think it was in China, I guess it would be, who've produced a cloned pig without any human input.
It's just been done by AI. So this is where it's going.
This is where they're going.
And so the reason that they are, another reason that they're targeting men, and when they started targeting men quite blatantly, I said they'll come for the women next.
And they're coming for the women now.
And the reason they're doing that is that in a no procreating society, a no natural procreating society as we've known it, you don't need men and you don't need women.
Because they're not heading for Human 2.0 as a transgender human.
It's a no-gender human.
And what's happening, and this is why, you know, the transgender activists have no clue.
I mean, the inner core will, but the vast majority will have no clue how they're being played like a violin.
What's happening is They're moving step by step through the transgender phase to the no gender phase.
And what they're doing is why they're targeting the young, particularly who will be adults when they want to bring this in full blown, is they are confusing their perception of gender on the road to fusing gender.
So there was a survey in the last week or so in America that showed the dramatic increase in young people who say they associate themselves or identify themselves with a different gender.
But the difference between the states that were Run by Democrats, the complete undiluted wokery, and those that were run by Republicans, was dramatic.
The increase in transgender identification in the Democratic states was dramatically greater than in the Republican states.
So obviously there's not a natural phenomenon going on here.
There's an indoctrination phenomenon going on here, and it's to confuse the kids, to fuse the kids to the no-gender human.
And this is why the sperm counts are dramatically falling among men, because they're phasing out human 1.0.
All these dots across all these different elements of society connect if you go deep enough into it and you know what the outcome is planned to be.
Some people might ask, what's the purpose of this?
What's the purpose of creating a genderless society?
Well, it's just...
Well, I mean, we could talk for ages longer about the stages that they're going through.
What they want to do is to absorb human consciousness into AI and cyberspace.
That's what the metaverse is all about.
This metaverse with Zuckerberg, who's just a gopher, For the cult.
And it's to draw consciousness into cyberspace and into AI. This is why people like Ray Kurzweil at Google, this so-called futurist, has been predicting for a long time that the human brain will be connected to AI by 2030.
And that once that happens, AI will do more and more of human thinking until human thinking, as we know it, is negligible.
Indeed, completely snuffed out in truth.
That's where the game is.
And they're changing the nature of human in stages to go down that road, which ends up with a complete assimilation of human consciousness into AI. They're just stages.
They're going through. Human 2.0, by the way, is planned to be a far more synthetic entity than the biological human that we know of and have now.
And you'll notice that everything's becoming synthetic.
They're making synthetic everything, synthetic blood, synthetic trees, synthetic everything.
Because they're turning the world synthetic, for reasons I explain in the books.
And so you've got the synthetic mRNA being infused into people through the COVID fake vaccines.
That's not an accident.
That's by design. And it's self-replicating.
MRNA, which is changing the nature of DNA. They said at the start, oh, no, MRNA can't change DNA. Oh, yes, it can.
I said at the time, yes, it bloody can.
Now they're admitting that it can.
And it is. So all these things connect.
And in terms of, you know, seeing what the truth is, we've reached the point of mendacity now where there's a very simple criteria for that.
Take what authority says on any subject and reverse it.
That's all you've got to do, basically.
Whatever they tell you, reverse it.
And that's what the truth really is.
And if people try that, they'll see how accurate that can be.
Not every last time, but overwhelmingly, that's where you'll find the truth, reversing what they're saying is truth.
That's why Jacinda Ardern, this cult-owned former Tony Blair aide, Prime Minister of New Zealand, she said infamously a few months ago, basically, if the authorities don't say it, if we don't say it, it's not true.
Only what we say is true.
And anyone else says, by definition, is not true if it contradicts what we say is true.
In fact, the opposite is the case.
Reverse everything they say and the truth will look you in the face.
David, we could speak for a long time and I know you could as well, but we won't because I know we are on the clock.
So one last thing, what do you hope to see in the world before you physically pass on?
Oh, the whole thing coming down.
Yep, of course.
The whole structure of human control coming down and humanity awakening to its true nature, which is nothing like it thinks it is.
And I'm not leaving until that happens.
End of story, by the way.
Awesome. Well, I look forward to seeing you around for a lot longer.
David, I think...
You will. You will.
Thank you, David, for being on the 4G Scalable podcast.
It's been amazing. Thanks, mate.
It's been a great pleasure. Stage one, you create a problem.
It could be a manufactured virus.
You want a reaction and you want them to either say, do something, or you want them to accept what the authorities suggest must be done.
So one of the agendas is to massively cull the population.
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