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Jan. 20, 2022 - David Icke
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David Icke On Cosmic Conversations With Sarah R Adams
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so Thank you for watching. What do you want to talk about then?
We're going to do an hour, right? Yes, and I was going to say that to you.
I was going to be like, David, I know that you do a lot of interviews and people have a million questions for you.
And I kind of want this to flow and you just to say whatever you feel on it.
I kind of wanted it just to be a conversation between me and you.
Okay. Because I mean, I was a little girl when my mom showed me your work.
I was literally a little girl and I have so much respect for your work since a child...
Because I've experienced so much stuff myself.
Lovely. You're going to start rubbing it in now, are you?
You're so bloody old.
I was only a little girl when I first came across to you.
You've done great work.
You know, I have so much admiration for you.
And I'm like, oh my goodness.
As a girl, it's hard.
I'm like, I was speaking out about the stuff that I experienced.
And I'm like, I got so much, you know, it was so controversial, so much hatred.
And I'm like, oh my goodness.
I'd always look to you and be like, David, he is up there doing it.
I can do it too.
Yeah. No, it's kind of interesting.
Yeah. I came into this whole arena when the top of my head blew off in 1990.
I came in, first of all, because my passion is the nature of reality.
What is reality? What is the nature of I? What is this place?
And all that. And I then got on a journey in which a lot of other things came up, all of them connected.
In terms of how a network that people don't know about is actually running their lives.
But what I found, I was talking about this to someone the other day actually, what I found in those early days when I came to America, in 1996 I first came to talk about these things, I couldn't find many places that wanted to hear me and wanted to even know anything about the information of The world is not controlled by who you think it is.
The only kind of places that I could get anyone to put me on were either what they call Christian Patriot groups, who were seeing that level of it at the time, and also these whole life expos and stuff like that used to be running out of San Francisco and Los Angeles.
And what I found at the time was, and I found this in Europe as well, this idea that spirituality is only kind of telling people what they'd like to be true.
And so I was...
I was said to be negative and frightening people with what I was saying.
And, you know, everything in life is how we receive it.
Exactly. You can receive information about how the world's controlled by a few people and who they are and to what end.
And you can take that as, oh my God, that's terrifying, or, well, that's good, that, because now I'm in a much stronger position to understand the world and therefore do something about it and stop it impacting on my life.
It's just a matter of literal perception now we receive things.
And I found it kind of strange in those days that What people call themselves spiritual, but would not encompass this information because it was negative.
And, you know, they were going around telling people, you know, let go of fear.
And then they were telling me, you can't say this because you might frighten people.
Well, you know, are you trying to convince yourself on me or what?
And a lot of that kind of what I call conceptual spiritual reality or spirituality.
Yes. Where it's not a being, it's a conceptual thing.
It's almost an intellectual thing.
A lot of that has kind of fused into what we call the woke mentality these days.
Yes. I call it bubblegum spirituality.
I see a lot of it here in the United States.
It's like just, oh, only love and light.
Let's not look that there might be negative entities or things like that.
It's kind of shallow.
Yeah. And the other thing is, you know, people say, you know, people have got to wake up.
Why don't more people wake up?
But, you know, there's another angle to that is that why are they asleep?
Wouldn't it be a great idea or wouldn't it be a great boon?
If we knew why so many people were in a coma of reality, avoid what's actually going on.
And if we actually explored why that is, we might have much more success in doing something about it.
So, you know, it's like...
There is an agenda for humanity which includes, fundamentally includes, without which it couldn't work, the suppression of the population's sense of self, sense of the eye, and also the way we believe the reality is that we're experiencing.
If you can keep that from people, Then you can put them in a very small box, a perceptual box, which they'll stay in for life.
The idea, surely, is to try to break those prison boxes and let people set their minds and their consciousness free.
And to do that, we've got to understand how the box works and how it's formed.
And then we can do something about it, just going around saying love and light.
It's all going to be fine.
Well, it's going to be fine if things happen.
It's going to be fine if perceptions change, which means the world changes.
It's not going to be fine if we go on the way we have been, because that's how we got here.
Exactly. And, you know, I wanted to talk to you about this because, like I said, I have memories.
Remember we talked at Gaia?
I went through a bit of a hard time then, so I'm a lot better.
But, you know, I have this memory of this force coming through and it has to do with a lot of the stuff you talk about.
When I heard you talk, I was like, well, this is what I experienced.
And it came through in my memory through this portal that was opened up from another creation or something.
I know that... I was trying to remember exactly where it came from and that's what destroyed what you would call Atlantis and this great civilization that spanned among the planets.
This force came through and it completely almost did put them Under a spell in a way.
Not only did it destroy some of the planets and made them completely barren, but it also...
I see it here on this planet and people are asleep and there's these forces feeding off their auras, you know, off their emotions.
And I see them connected.
I literally can see spirits and entities and I see them connected to people who are...
You know, narcissists who are psychopaths, who are sociopaths, who are abusers, they're connected in and they're using these people almost as a vehicle to carry out more, you know, pain and suffering and trauma on others of whom they're feeding on through that person.
Yeah, well, that's basically how I see it.
And it's how I've understood it after, what, 32 years now of tracking and uncovering this stuff.
And I'll tell you the conclusion that I came to just after the turn of the millennium.
And that is that we are living, well, quote, in, there's lots to know about the in, a virtual reality simulation.
And I said just after the turn of the millennium that we live in a simulation and the walls of that simulation, certainly the level that we're experiencing now, we call the 3D world, is the light.
And it's a simulation for a reason.
Because the control of humanity comes from the control of humanity's perception.
It's what it comes from. All perception becomes behavior.
And behavior collectively is human society.
So everything comes from perception.
And the idea is to constantly bewilder The perception of humans so they don't know where they are and what we're seeing now as this technological world as we perceive it is unfolding so fast the technology is actually mirroring the simulation so What we're seeing created in what they're calling the smart grid and the cloud and all this stuff is actually a simulation within a simulation.
This is this Zuckerberg stuff with the metaverse and pulling consciousness into or perception into Into cyberspace.
It's all about layers and layers and layers of misdirection and misperception.
I wrote a book that came out in 2012 called The Perception Deception.
And it's very appropriate that the word perception is so close to deception, because it's deceiving perception that is actually the whole foundation of human control.
And the idea is, because the level of us that interacts with this simulation, which is simply a source of information, it's an information source, it's not a construct.
We construct it.
This information is encoded in the waveform field.
So we're decoding that waveform field through the five senses to electrical information.
And the brain then creates holographic digital information and the world we think is around us, which is actually within us.
So the simulation is something that we're actually decoding.
It's literally like a computer decoding the internet, whereby if there was Wi-Fi in this room, there isn't, but if there was, the computer would lock into that Wi-Fi, which is what?
It's a radiation field of information.
But what it would then do is put on the screen that same information in a completely different form.
With graphics and words and pictures and moving pictures and so on.
And that's what we're doing.
And so the crucial thing to stop us realizing that...
Is to separate that which is directly interacting with this reality from expanded levels of consciousness that are beyond the manipulations and the limitations of this reality.
It's like disconnecting the computer from the operator.
So the operator's banging the keys and banging the mouse, but no longer is the computer responding because it's not being influenced by that anymore.
It's going its own way, which is what happens, of course, when you get a computer virus.
A computer will just go its own way or go the way of the virus.
And so what we are looking at, I suggest, is...
The foundation of the whole control of humanity is to separate that which directly interacts with this reality, the five senses, basically what I call body-mind, from expanded levels of consciousness.
And to do that, you have to put those two states of consciousness, body-mind and expanded awareness, in very different states of frequency, which means states of perception.
The more you can disconnect and program the perceptions of the five-sense body-mind, So that they generate frequencies that are very, very low frequencies. You mentioned one of your experiences.
Well, all that stuff and what we call possession and the influence of low vibrational entities is to hold this body-mind frequency down.
And if you get so far away from the frequency of expanded awareness, well, you've got a separation.
The two aren't talking to each other anymore.
And that's the whole foundation of it.
And so it's about what is awakening.
For me, it's the body-mind awakening to its true self.
And as it awakens, its frequency expands and increases and starts to reconnect and end the separation with expanded levels of consciousness.
And that's why people that were genuinely awakening rather than They start to see the world in a completely different way as that process unfolds because they've got access to insight, knowledge, awareness that they didn't have before.
I completely agree with that.
And I feel like also there's such a disconnection from our soul, which is, for me, God's self.
And, you know, they're making all these laws.
They're filling our bodies with toxins.
They're filling our minds with All this insanity from mainstream media to disconnect us from, you know, God.
And I'm very, very spiritual and I can see to the realms of spirits.
And I've noticed this. I've noticed that people are like walking robots and they're in this system and they're like the walking dead.
And there's no connection to their soul.
And because of this, they're doing terrible things.
And I think that that's the problem with the world today.
We wonder why there's so much You know, unkindness, why there's so much destruction going on.
It's because people are so disconnected.
And I just want to speak to you about this memory I have.
So I was given this whole download recently on this, too, that each one of the planets are these spheres of energy.
And even though that they're seen as solid, They're actually condensed energy and when energy is condensed it creates solid matter and that each one of the planets are connected to each chakra so like Venus is connected to the heart chakra and that a long time ago these planets were overtaken by this force that controls each one of these planets that are connected to our chakra system which in turn controls us and you know because Saturn It creates time and reality.
I was shown that. And that there's a temple of time and reality on it.
And this is why there's a lot of, you know, satanic rituals going on, because they're actually tuning Saturn to create the time and reality that they want, that then it projects back here on this planet.
And that creates, you know, the suppression, it creates the The prison planet that we live in.
So this is something that's been coming through strongly to me.
And the spirits were telling me this recently.
They were telling me that I needed to speak about this, that we need to start to, you know, that whenever you do ascend into the awareness and become what I call whole, because nobody's whole, they're kind of in pieces, When you ascend into that awareness of wholeness and God's self, then we have the ability to manipulate energy and we can manipulate energy and channel energy.
We can clear the planets, which will in turn affect the chakra system.
Which will in turn free humanity.
And it's quite interesting because I was looking at some of the codes, because I do a lot of codes and symbolism, like Lord of the Rings.
The rings are the chakra system.
One ring to rule them all.
And I noticed in a lot of series and movies that were coming out, there's all the symbolism of the ring.
And the rings, the chakra system, I thought that's quite interesting that this is coming through right now.
Because I remember Saturn, that it was taken over a long time ago.
And when it was taken over, it was used to put us in this kind of time-energy prison.
And that's one of the main planets used to put us in a time-energy prison and keep us in it.
Yeah, well, I've written a lot about Saturn over the years and the Moon as well.
But, you know, once we understand that we're in a simulation and that everything is not solid, it's holographic, it's malleable, Then everything starts to become possible that was impossible before.
So you can manipulate the The simulation.
You can manipulate the holograms.
And so many things people say, that's impossible.
You can't do that with a solid object.
No, no, you can't. But you can with a hologram.
You can with... Because what's a hologram?
It's just a 3D projection of an information source, of a waveform information source.
The body, too, is a hologram.
This is why... Because holograms have...
This amazing characteristic that every part of a hologram is a smaller version of the whole.
This is why alternative sources of healing can find different parts of the body relating to the whole body, as acupuncture does, as reflexology does.
Because in the hand, in the foot, anywhere, it's all a smaller version of the whole.
The information of the whole is there, as it is with all holograms.
And there's so many of these...
Mysteries disappear once you start to grasp what reality is.
And also you see the power we have to change reality.
And that's why this global cult, as I call it, has worked so hard to keep the nature of reality from us.
I mean, it didn't hijack science.
In modern science, it created it.
And what does modern science say?
Some of the more cutting-edge areas like quantum physics are part.
It says that the world is solid.
The world is physical.
And once they say that...
The so-called paranormal becomes impossible.
It's not solid.
So the paranormal becomes perfectly explainable.
And so we have a science which says, if I can't explain how something happens, then it can't be happening.
And so all these people who've had these paranormal experiences from all walks of life, they describe what happened to them.
They describe what they saw.
They describe what they experienced.
And these mainstream scientists come out and say that's impossible.
And it's not impossible.
It's just that you don't understand how reality works.
The whole thing, the whole of life and possibility, everything is transformed once you realize this is not a solid world.
And there is actually no external world as we experience it.
It's all going on in the decoded world of the senses.
It's like, like I say, it's Wi-Fi.
Wi-Fi information becomes a very different source on the screen.
Well, that's basically how we work.
If you look at what happens to people when they put one of these virtual reality headsets on, especially the more sophisticated ones, they're sitting in a room, but they're thrashing around, responding to what's happening on the headset as if it's real.
Because what's happening is the senses that decode waveform information into this digital holographic reality we call the world are overridden to a large extent by the information coming from the headset and the same senses are the same senses.
Start to decode that into a reality.
And thus, people experience a very different reality.
And of course, we're not far away now, so the computer people say, from creating virtual realities that you will not be able to tell apart from this one.
And, you know, when you look at the...
Nature of our reality and the nature of what we call virtual reality.
There are amazing similarities.
Indeed, you know, it's the same in so many ways.
I mean, the physics of our world are the same as the physics of virtual reality.
And then you say, well, what are physics?
When you...
You create a computer game.
What are you doing?
You're writing the rules and the limitations of the game.
And there was an article in Scientific American last April, May, which came out and said, we live in a simulation and the limits of it are the speed of light, which is what I said just after the turn of the millennium.
And it was a very good article because it was relating the speed of light to the processing speed of a computer.
And it says that if you create a virtual reality game, okay, you can write the rules, but you're always operating within a particular limit, and that's the processing speed of the computer.
You can't go beyond that.
And that's the speed of light.
And, you know, I found it fascinating when I read, I've got them up here, a couple of very thick books of translations of the amazing texts that were found in an earthen jar in a place called Nag Hammadi, north of Luxor in Egypt, 1945, by the Gnostic belief system, the Gnostic people.
And they describe, if you read it from a modern point of view, they're describing a simulation.
They call this a fake reality.
They call it a bad copy of prime reality.
Yes, I agree with that.
I do think that, you know, there is another Earth and there is another reality, but it's operating on a completely different frequency.
And this is a sort of digital copy of it.
It's a bit like you make a copy of a website and now you've got the copy.
Now, the original website stays as it always was, continues as it always has been.
But you've got the copy, and you can now change the copy as you want.
So in the end, it becomes very, very different to the original website, which is still existing.
And this is what the Gnostics were basically describing.
And as we look at the modern world and modern possibility, and well beyond The possibilities that we know, you can see how it's possible to do that because this simulation is a source of information.
If you look at the Matrix movies, they don't go into the Matrix, the simulation, physically.
They stay outside of it.
They sit in that chair on the ship and that probe is put in the back of the neck and it connects them to an information source.
And the brain starts decoding that information source so that they experience a completely different reality.
It's very much equivalent to putting the headset on, only vastly more advanced and sophisticated.
And then they experience what they call the matrix.
And the matrix to the brain Very real, just as the most sophisticated headset, virtual reality games are very real to people.
And so what we're doing, we're actually imprisoned by an information source that's dictating our perception of reality.
And the more that you believe in physicality, the more you believe in this human world...
The more you are pulled into the five senses.
For instance, if you say to people, who are you?
Nice to meet you. Who are you?
They'll give you their name.
They'll give you their location.
They'll give you their birthplace, possibly.
They'll give you their job.
They'll give you their sexuality.
I don't know why they have to, but they often do these things.
They'll give you their religion, their race, whatever.
And what are they giving you?
They're giving you the labels...
Of a human life.
The labels not of the I, but of the human experience which the I is having.
And all of those labels are from the body-mind five-sense reality.
All of them. They only exist there.
And so we are encouraged from cradle to grave to self-identify The I, with those labels, that's pulled our self-identity into the five senses, the world of the simulation, and to perceive the world as solid and therefore what?
Limited. They have to get us to see everything in terms of limitation.
I can't.
It's not possible.
Because that's all part of the mind prism.
And of course, when you start to awaken from the five senses, what you're doing, actually, is you're awakening from the simulation.
You're awakening from the information that's constantly being fed to you to give you a fake sense of reality and a fake sense of self.
And if you look through the ages...
Right to modern times.
It's the people that are exploring beyond the physical world as we perceive it that have been the targets of authority.
You know, all the...
And if you can't completely convince the population...
That there is nothing else but this.
And of course, a lot of people will say, well, there's got to be something else.
Well, you grab most of them, certainly over the period of known human history.
With a religion and a version of God, hence the incredibly ridiculous phrase, in my view, God-fearing.
So you fear some force which you have to keep happy with.
Otherwise, some very nasty things are going to happen.
So whether, you know, you believe this world is all there is, life's a bitch and then you die, or there's some judgmental God to keep on side.
In both ways, it's the prison.
And when you then break out of the prison by the realization that we're all points of attention within an infinite consciousness, infinite possibility, infinite potential, and this is just one very small, almost infinitesimal possibility with an infinite possibility, Then those walls of limitation, and I can't and it's not possible, the walls of limitation of your self-identity, I'm just little me, what power have I got?
I'm just a cosmic accident, or I just have to do what God tells me.
How do you know what God tells you?
Well, that bloke in a frock tells me.
Okay, that's right. Okay, got that.
So in the end, the whole foundation of everything is perception control.
Controlling perception.
The more limited you can get people to perceive self in the world, the more you've got them.
And if you look, because from this perspective, everything in the rest of the world starts to look not just different, it starts to become explainable on a much deeper level.
So you look at this whole woke mentality that's been funded and programmed into existence by the billionaires of this cult.
I mean, you know, why would someone like George Soros care about social justice?
I mean, he couldn't care less.
But this woke mentality is, if you look at it, it's so mesmerized That it's calling for every element of this cult agenda for humanity.
Every element of it, it's calling for.
They're the foot soldiers of it, and they think they're anti-system and anti-establishment.
But the reason I've raised the woke mentality is, look what they're doing.
You've got these self-identities now that are becoming more and more and more myopic.
So you've got this list of letters, LGBT, and on and on it bloody goes.
It gets longer all the time.
And these are the myopia of self-identity.
So now people self-identify the I with their sexuality.
Even the fine detail of their sexuality, it seems.
And yet you are all that is, has been, and ever can be.
Having a brief human experience, what do you mean you are the fine detail of your sexuality?
I mean, enjoy it.
Be what you like. It's an experience, but don't self-identify with it.
Otherwise, you're going to have a perception of self the size of a pea.
So what they're doing, and it's all systematic because this cult knows how reality works.
They just don't want us to know. What they're doing is they are subdividing and subdividing The previous labels of a human life, man, woman, and so on and so forth, into smaller and smaller labels.
And it's on the level that, on the inner core where it's really coming from, they know exactly what they're doing.
They're pulling people into smaller and smaller boxes of self-identity, which is pulling people further and further away from the expanded awareness that they really are.
This almost reminds me of the story of the Tower of Babel.
Remember where the languages were all divided?
So that the people wouldn't get along and wouldn't be able to work together.
And the more that they divide us, the more we're easier to control.
So I think that's a big part of this.
And also making everyone feel like they're not accepted in society.
Because everyone's arguing over this and that.
That's a really, really big thing happening right now.
I see people everywhere arguing over this label or that label or who they are or who they're not.
It's become insane.
I mean it comes down in the end to simple mathematics.
There are closing in now on eight billion people and the number of people that are at the core in full knowledge manipulating Those billions are tiny.
I mean, if you got to the core of this global cult, you'd get them in a single room.
So mathematically, it's impossible...
To manipulate billions of people, unless, one, those billions of people just do whatever you say, because you're authority, so you must be obeyed.
I'm sorry, I don't agree.
And the other thing is what you brought up.
You have to divide and rule them, and you have to play them off against each other.
So what does George Soros and the billionaires of Silicon Valley and all these other people, these giant corporations, why do they give a damn about black people?
They don't. They couldn't care bloody less.
So why are they funneling $90 million into Black Lives Matter?
Because it's a vehicle not to better the lives of black people, but to divide black people against white people and so on and so forth.
It's all part of the divide and rule agenda.
And you know, you can only be divided and ruled, and we keep coming back to this, but it's very important, on the lines of race and the lines of gender and the lines of colour.
If you self-identify with them as the I. I mean, show me a racist and I'll show you an idiot who has no idea about reality.
These bodies...
Are vehicles for consciousness to experience this reality.
And ultimately, although we are unique expressions of this infinite state of awareness, we are all expressions of that infinite state of awareness.
We are all each other.
And the divisions are illusory.
And you can, you know, experience a sense of individuality.
And, you know, we should, because, you know, like I say, we're expressions of one consciousness, but we're unique expressions.
We are a unique set of experiences, which gives us a particular unique view, or should.
But if you self-identify with it completely, then you are a sitting sucker for divide and rule.
So I'm a black man.
I'm a white man. Well, I'm not.
I'm infinite awareness having a brief experience in a body that just happens to be called white.
I had to be born in one body of some color.
I had to be born in some country or other country where I would have bloody drowned.
But these are just experiences.
They're not who we are.
And you can see, therefore, the infinite potential for manipulation on a mass scale if you keep from people the true nature of who they are, the true nature of the I. If people realize we're all the same consciousness having different experiences, how do you start to divide and rule that level of awareness?
You can't. But you get them to self-identify with I am black, I am white, I am this, I am that.
I am transgender, I am female, I am male and all that stuff.
Then you've got infinite possibility to play them off against each other.
And while the... The population's at war with itself.
The manipulators can go on unmolested and unchallenged because people are too focused on each other to actually see that the strings that are being held on both of them are actually held by the same hands, which is how it works. And I have a question for you.
Where do you feel that, because it's clear when I see elite leaders, I can see that they're controlled, they're definitely possessed.
Where do you think that these forces that are controlling them came from originally?
Well, that's a real big question because there's so many levels of it.
You see, in the end, There is a non-human connection to this global cult.
Ultimately, it's controlled by a non-human force.
This cult is a network manipulating human society on behalf of a non-human force operating overwhelmingly outside the frequency band that humans can see, which is tiny, tiny, tiny visible light.
But whether this force is in this form or that form, Whether it's the reptilians or the greys or whatever.
In the end, the way it behaves, the way anyone behaves, human, non-human, whatever, comes down to their state of consciousness.
And so as I've gone deeper and deeper in the rabbit hole, and I've gone through the human level of the network, down through the non-human level, you keep going.
It comes down in the end to consciousness, states of consciousness.
And so when I look around the world and the different cultures and the different religions and the non-religious cultures and so on, you see very common themes of a force that Manipulating humanity from a very negative, what you might call evil, which I call the absence of love, perspective.
And another force, very different, pushing the other way.
And it's very compelling when you see it, because you've got the Christian devil, the Christian Satan, the demons of Christianity.
But, you know, the Islamic belief system talks about the jinn manipulating from the unseen.
The Gnostics talk about Yaldabaoth, which is their version of the devil, and the archons, their version of the demons.
And you see this theme everywhere.
And in the end, it's like the Gnostic writings say, you know, they actually say in writings that were probably written down About 400 AD. Certainly put in that jar around 400 AD. They talk about the fact that these archons, in their prime form, are basically just formless.
We would call it consciousness.
It says this consciousness can take a reptilian form or a form like a grey fetus with big black eyes, which kind of describes the greys very well.
But actually, in its base form, it's consciousness, it's not form.
And so I've kind of followed this along.
And then I came across...
The concept of Wotiko, which is the concept of the Cree tribe in America, Canada.
And other Native American tribal groups have a similar concept using different names.
And I read, you know, what they said about it, that it was kind of a mind virus.
And I thought, well, I've been writing about this.
Before I came across it called Wetiko, I've been writing about this for decades.
It's another confirmation of all these different elements and cultures and historical settings having the same basic view of this and so you break it down and what you have which is working through different forms whether they're reptilian or greys or humans but it's a consciousness that is incredibly inverted chaotic and And one that you would describe in our concept of that as evil.
And by its very nature, it's a very low vibrational state of perception and awareness.
Thus, it's a very low frequency.
And it's a very dense frequency.
And to control humans and to attach human awareness, the body-mind level of awareness, to itself, so it becomes the mission control of people once that attachment takes place, you've got to pull as many human beings as possible, as many body-minds, into that same frequency.
And not only does that allow you to attach to them and therefore become their source of perception, awareness, thought, everything, emotion, it also means you can feed off them.
And you know in the Matrix movie when Morpheus held the battery up and said the machines have turned humans into one of these.
It told a very profound truth because one of the very great common themes of this force is that it feeds off low vibrational human energy, particularly emotion like fear and anxiety, depression, resentment, hatred, all these low vibrational emotions that feeds off.
You will become an energy source for it.
To empower it.
And once it's attached to you, you become a vehicle for it.
So you start acting like it.
You start thinking like it.
And then you become what you...
mentioned earlier, you become the psychopaths.
You become the people with no compassion, no empathy.
And of course, we're seeing this.
I mean, what we're seeing now in this COVID era, particularly after the fake vaccine was rolled out, is a very clear division and a very clear Public expression of those who are awakened enough to think for themselves and those who are not.
And if you look at the way society breaks down, it's always broken down like this, but it's more obvious now because of what's been going on.
You've got a very large number of people who do what authority tells them without question because authority's told them.
There is no process of Processing information and processing what authority tells you to see if it makes sense is none of that.
You just believe it and do it.
Then you've got another group that actually can see it or some levels of it and doesn't want to do what authority tells them.
But they do it anyway because they're frightened of not doing it.
Now they're the two sections of society that have allowed every tyranny in history to be imposed.
Because tyrants, there's never enough of them.
The population has to obey the tyrants for the tyrants to rule.
And then you've got this other area of society which is getting bigger and the more people wake up to the fact that this is a gigantic scam and they're being lied to.
And they're the ones that...
Not only can see what's going on, at least levels of it, they won't cooperate with what's going on.
Because their self-respect won't allow them to.
And they're the ones, that's the section of society, that's brought an end to every tyranny in history.
Because their self-respect says, no, I'm not going to do what you tell me.
Because I'm not cooperating without my own enslavement.
And in the COVID era, I'm not doing moronic things because morons tell me.
So no, I'm not doing it. And I have your jab.
I've had a look at what's in it.
No way. So these are very clear expressions of consciousness, where people are at in terms of consciousness, where people are at in terms of perception.
And the only people that are going to bring this to an end are those that are in the third group.
And we hope that more from the second group Those that can see that it's not right but are frightened to do anything or not obey, more and more of them come across.
But there's massive responsibility on those people.
Awakening is a gift, but it comes with great responsibility because, I mean, those that just obey authority without question, they're not going to change it.
They're not going to change anything. So this is a time when those who do have an awakening consciousness, because none of us are awake in terms of fully awake.
I mean, this is the situation we're in.
Or it is pushing us against awakening all the time.
So we are awakening and Learning and feeling and getting more and more insight.
But it's those people that the responsibility lies upon to bring this to an end.
That's why they're targeting us like crazy.
That's why they are saying That those that don't get fake vaccinated have to leave the military, have to leave health care, have to leave their jobs, have to leave corporations, have to leave all these things, have to leave care homes.
Because not having the jab says something very clearly to this cult.
These are the people who not only can see it, But they won't have it either.
And we need them out of the system.
We don't want them in the military.
Because what we want with the military are troops that will be quite happy to turn guns on Americans if they're told to.
Whereas the very fact that you won't have the jab It's highly, highly likely that because of your state of perception, you wouldn't turn your guns on Americans because some idiot in a uniform told you.
So they're trying to purge every area of society of what I call the pushbackers so that only...
Group one and group two are still there, which are those that do it without question, and those who do it because they're trying not to do it.
Yeah, I feel like right now, too, there's this clash between the unawakened and the awakened going on, and it's getting more intense and more intense right now.
But the Gnostics, they predicted that the Sons of Light would win.
And I do believe this. I do believe that in the end, that there will be a great awakening here on this planet.
What do you feel about that? Well, I think we're seeing it.
Yes. I have a different perspective to a lot of people because I've been doing it for so long.
I've been doing this now for 32 years, so I remember what it used to be like.
You know, I mean, trying to rustle up any interest in these subjects was like nearing impossible.
When I, you know, 1990, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, and so on and so forth.
You know, I'd come to America in 1996 and I'd spoke to five people in a front room in New England.
Eight people in a meeting near Chicago.
I mean, it was very, very difficult.
When I did these whole life expos, I always had the smallest audience.
All the big spiritual love and light people.
I mean, good luck to them. But they were the ones that attracted the audiences then.
And so I was put on at the end of the night when anyone had gone home.
I was put on one night in Phoenix, just outside Phoenix, actually.
And I got there.
They wanted me to take part in a panel discussion about nine o'clock in the morning.
So I turn up and I do that.
And then all the kind of spiritual heroes of the time, what were called New Age, they went through the day in all the normal times and got the big audiences, right, you know, in the main hall.
And I was put on at night in an open air.
It was basically a stable outside the main hall.
And a few people came, but they were drifting away because they were so bloody cold.
It was freezing!
And that's what it was like then.
You couldn't rustle up interest in these subjects.
Oh, I know. I went through my experience when I was quite young, because my family's in a lot of stuff, and so I know a lot of stuff.
And I remember doing a video where I said that Belit were abusing children.
And no kidding, I got laughed at.
People walked across the street.
They wouldn't say hi to me.
That were my friends once they saw that video.
They were like, you told us these things, but why did you have to go on YouTube and put out a public video?
Nobody even would say hello to me.
How about to try to stop any more kids getting treated like that?
How about that? How about that's the reason?
It's unbelievable. It's like we talked about at the start, you know, this conceptual spirituality instead of lived spirituality.
It infuriates sometimes.
But what I was saying was that I look around today, we talked about the awakening, and it's not like that anymore.
I mean, my life has gone from...
Trying everything I can to circulate this information to anyone who wants to listen, which weren't many.
The challenge in my life now is coping with the interest.
You know, I work seven days a week.
Every week. I mean, there's no breaks because the interest is so great and I want to use it to get this information circulating.
And so there is an awakening.
And I'll tell you something else.
And this is from my own experience as well, is that people now, in bigger numbers than ever, far bigger numbers than ever, are opening their minds to the possibilities of even some of the big far-out stuff I came out with years ago, about the non-human element to this.
There's two things.
They are looking at it and they're saying, well, if someone had told me in January 2020 that the world would be like this at the end of 2021 into 2022, I'd have laughed at them.
I'd have said, that's ridiculous.
That will never happen. That could never happen.
We'd never stand for it.
Yeah, if only.
But they've seen that it happened.
And what it's done, it's reduced the resistance to the sense of the possible.
This is really important.
If you want to hold people in perceptual servitude, then squeeze their sense of the possible.
Because if you can do that, when people come along and say, this is what's going on and this is how they're doing it, if those things are outside of your program sense of the possible, you're going to wave them away.
Don't be ridiculous.
That can't happen. That's impossible.
So what I'm seeing now, and certainly in the last four months or so, Is more and more people are saying, well, hold on a minute.
Maybe some of the more far out things he said are not to be dismissed anymore.
And the second thing that's driving that is they're looking at the world and they're saying, well, why is the agenda so anti-human?
It's so anti-human.
At every turn, it's anti-human.
You've got... The gas of life, carbon dioxide, CO2, without which there'd be no natural world.
And these characters have demonized it.
And the Wokers have gone with it big time because, like I said earlier, they are promoting and pushing everything that is on this agenda while thinking they're being radical.
It's hilarious on one level.
So you've got carbon dioxide, which carbon dioxide experts will tell you, I mean real experts, but it's not that we have too much carbon dioxide.
We don't have enough. The optimum Level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere for plant growth, food production is around 2,000 parts per million.
We have something like 419 at the moment.
And before the start of the industrial era, that carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere was falling and falling and falling to very, very dangerous levels.
Because if you get down to like 150, 180 parts per million, the natural world starts to die.
And not only are they...
Demonizing the gas alive.
People like Bill Gates, him in particular, are funding technology to suck it out of the atmosphere.
This is fundamentally anti-human.
It's ridiculous. Why are they, at the same time, dismantling the global food chain?
Because they are. Then you look at sperm counts plummeting.
You look at the more and more fertility problems for women.
You look at...
She's anti-human. You look at the effect of these fake vaccines on DNA, changing DNA. It's what they're...
I mean, how anti-human can you get than that?
And so it goes on.
5G at 60 gigahertz interacts with the oxygen molecule so that the body cannot absorb oxygen on the level that it needs when that happens with 5G. They look at that and they think, well, everywhere you look, it's an anti-human agenda.
So would it make sense if actually it was being driven by a non-human force?
Of course it would. So I do see a big awakening taking place.
I mean, in England, More and more, people are just not buying the lies.
They're not falling for the fear anymore.
Of course, loads of people are, but the number who are not is growing rapidly.
We've had a situation over...
Christmas and New Year, where the tyrants that run Scotland and Wales, a complete pair of prats called Sturgeon and Drakeford, have imposed ridiculous restrictions to save from COVID. Whereas in England, they made a decision that we don't think we'd get away with it.
Because more and more of the population, they can't pull on with them.
They can't pull on with them in terms of fear.
I mean, this Omicron variant, this ludicrous thing they invented, it's not had the effect they thought it was.
They ran the fear porn program with Omicron, but large numbers of people didn't buy it.
And it's because they didn't buy it, they thought, well, Don't think we can shut Christmas and New Year down because don't think we'll get away with it.
Because the worst nightmare that they have is that they announce restrictions and tyranny and the population won't have it.
The worst nightmare, because it will be, not that we should know, we should see it anyway, but it will be a clear reminder of where the power lies, and it's with the people through numbers, not authority.
So they say, well, they're making judgments all the time.
If we do this, can we get away with it?
And they decided here, certainly for now, that they can't.
And this should be a message around the world.
What you take, you will be given.
And if you take it, you will be given more until you stop taking it.
That's the whole story of COVID. And this is why it comes back to these three groups.
Group number one will take it because it hasn't got a thought in its head.
Group number two will take it because it doesn't want to, but it's frightened of not taking it.
Group number three won't take it.
And that's why that group is what's going to bring this down.
And, you know, the awakening is gathering.
And it's not just...
It's not just...
Over, quote, COVID. And that, you know, the physical level of governments and rules and regulations.
I'm hearing this term more and more from people I would never have thought would utter the words.
It's a spiritual war, isn't it?
Yes. Now, I don't like using the word war.
It's quite a thing that I like.
But you get what they're saying.
They're realizing that actually this is between two forces.
Of evil and what we hope love, that when you break it all down, you break through that this is what it is.
People act as they do, authority acts as it does, because they're attached and are perceptually dominated by this negative force, this wotiko.
And as people awaken, they're increasingly perceptually influenced by love and expanded states of consciousness, wisdom.
And so whatever form we may take, it's that consciousness difference that decides how we act.
And that's what the world is like.
And to hear more and more people say, well, it's a spiritual war, isn't it?
They started to see that this is the level it's operating at.
What's your state of consciousness?
What's your state of perception?
Because that dictates everything.
Everything comes from that. I remember us speaking about that at Gaia.
I'm like, it was love. That's what the message I was given, that it was love that was going to overcome all of this.
And I feel like the job that you're doing, it's love.
It's coming from love. You want to wake people up.
You want them to be okay.
You want them to ascend into that higher consciousness.
And I know that's the work that I do too.
And that's it. Love.
For me, it's the solution to all of this.
It's love to choose love over all of this.
Yeah, well, what is love?
For me, what we call love, of course, we've lost the whole idea of love.
We think it's to do with attraction.
You know, I fancy a darling and all that stuff.
But that's the human perception of love.
And it doesn't mean you can't truly love someone and be attracted to them.
Of course not. But if you're only attracted to them, and it doesn't come from this much higher state of love, what people put unconditionally in front of it to try to Get a concept of what they mean.
Then it ain't going to last very long.
Because once the attraction dies, then so does the relationship.
The ones in the past are those that have this level of what we call love.
And for me, love holds the world together.
And what we are living or experiencing is...
A realm of reality that's suffering from the absence of love.
And it's not just the absence of love because it's an absence of love.
The systematic absence of love.
The systematic suppression of love.
And what the whole thing is about on one level is to close the heart vortex.
Which is our great access to the great beyond, outside of it, manipulated nonsense.
And once that closes, your point of attention moves to the head thought and it moves to the belly emotion.
And if you look at humanity, so many decisions and reactions and responses They come from emotion.
And if they don't come from emotion, they come through a process of what we call thought, trying to work it out.
Whereas the heart, that's where we get intuition from.
And intuition is not something that comes as a series of thoughts leading to a conclusion.
That's what this does. The heart intuition is where the knowing comes from.
You get the knowing as a package.
It's like, you know, I got this knowing just after the turn of the millennium, we live in a simulation and the walls of it are the speed of light.
It was 20 years before an academic put that into Scientific American through a process of thought.
And so they want to shut that down because it stops your connection to out there on a massive, massive scale.
And, you know, people think that, you know, you talk about love and things like that, but it's kind of weakness.
Or it's macho.
You've got to be macho. Well, love is the ultimate strength because love is without that.
I mean, love in this sense. Is without that, it takes our power away, which is fear.
Love doesn't do fear because it knows there's nothing to fear.
And love will always do what it knows to be right.
It won't go through a list of consequences and then decide if it's going to do what it knows to be right.
You know, like group number two.
I know what I should do, but I'm too frightened to do it, so I'm not going to do it.
Because what are the consequences for me?
It doesn't go through that process because...
To contemplate not doing what you know to be right is something that love can never sanction.
Because why would I have consequences for not doing what I know to be right when I'm always going to do what I know to be right?
It's the ultimate strength.
It's the ultimate power. You look at those who, in history, have come from this real sense of love, and they're the ones that have gone out knowing that it was going to be very challenging, but they've gone out and done it anyway and said what they believe anyway.
Because they know that whatever happens, they're always going to be a unique expression of all that is, has been, and ever can be.
And once you realize that, once that self-identity sinks in, you lose the fear of death.
And the fear of death is one of the greatest human control systems.
All the power and prestige of the medical profession which is thoroughly undeserved in vast tracts of it as we've seen in the last two years comes from the fear of death.
And the list of consequences for doing what you know to be right also includes the fear of death.
If I do this will they kill me.
And so So many people say, well, I'm not going to take that chance.
Well, what love says is, I'm going to do what I know to be right, and what happens, happens.
Because I may leave this world, but I'm still the I I always was.
And it's the ultimate power, not least against this force of evil, because the force of evil is...
It gets its power and its sense of omnipotence through fear and through intimidation.
It gets people frightened of it in its various forms.
It intimidates people through its various forms and therefore people do what it wants.
Love won't do that. It won't do that.
And that's why that's the answer.
It always has been. Well, thank you, David.
Thank you so much for this.
I feel like I needed to hear this today because it's a lot of the things, you know, that I know and believe in.
It's always nice to have them, you know, confirmed by somebody else, specifically by somebody who's done such an amazing job in the Awakened community.
So I'm actually just sitting here in this meditative state, like just listening.
So thank you for being on my podcast.
And, you know, maybe I can come to England soon.
I can't come because, yeah, the whole job thing.
I'm not traveling at the moment because I won't do any of it, you see.
I've decided when this started two years ago, nearly now, I'm not going to do any of it.
So I won't do anything where I can't do it unless I wear a mask.
I've not done any of it.
I'm not even at that bloody stupid temperature thing.
I can't do that either. I just made that decision.
Other people have to make their own decisions on the basis of their own circumstances in their own life.
But I made that decision.
I'm not going to cooperate with any of it.
I'll die first. If that was cast around the world with hundreds of millions of people, it would be impossible to enforce it.
How can the Austrian government enforce 6 million people non-fake vaccinated?
How can they enforce it if those people just say, you're going to lock us down?
We're all on the streets, mate.
And, you know, the power of numbers and the power of numbers is what's going to bring this to an end.
And that takes courage.
And the more spiritually aware and the more spiritually self-identified we can be, the easier it will be to find that courage.
I completely agree. And I see that happening in the future.
So I think there is going to manifest a positive future sooner than later for humanity.
And this is also a deep spiritual lesson for humanity, you know, to stand up for themselves and to stand up against these forces that are, you know, using them and exploiting them.
So I think that there's this spiritual growth that will happen for them.
What are current events saying to humanity as a whole?
This is what happens when you give your power away.
Because someone's going to pick that power up and use it back against you.
Stop giving it away.
What's the solution?
We need solutions. No, we don't.
We need to remove the cause of the problem.
And the cause of the problem is humanity giving its power to authority, unquestioningly.
And if we stop doing it, then we'd realize a very simple truth.
Authority has no power unless we give it to them.
And I'm so thankful to have you on.
You know, you're one of my favorite people in the world, so I'm kind of a bit starstruck here.
We're all the same consciousness.
I mean, different. Thanks very much, Al.
Nice talking to you. Nice talking to you, too.
See ya. See ya.
Hey, you have a blessed day.
Thank you. Bye. You're welcome.
Bye. Stage one, you create a problem.
It could be a manufactured virus.
You want a reaction and you want them to either say, do something, or you want them to accept what the authorities suggest must be done.
So one of the agendas is to massively cull the population.
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