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July 28, 2021 - David Icke

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Compromise Is Consent - David Icke Speaks To Johnny Cirucci

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	Thank you. Excellent.
	David, I am deeply honored.
	I have to say, you are the most renowned individual in truth that I have ever had the pleasure of interviewing.
	And I feel like after all the research I've done, I've missed so much over the years.
	I hope you are enjoying your well-deserved renaissance.
	It's become quite obvious to me that what has been done to you has been an intelligence operation to mock you and correspondingly to destroy anyone that seeks after truth, anyone that asks questions. It's pretty obvious in comparison to some of the other public figures, the things that they have said.
	I mean, in no way, shape or form is it commensurate that you would walk outside your home, walk down the street, try to go buy something and have people openly mock you and go after you.
	I have to say that the The video short that you put out, they're laughing with you, was pretty darn moving.
	That you've finally been able to reap some of the rewards of your decades of truth-finding.
	And I also want to say on your behalf that I'm impressed with your operation.
	That you're a prolific author.
	Do you have your own publishing company?
	Yeah, I had to start a publishing company back in 1994 when no other publisher that existed at that time would publish my books.
	It's when I started naming names and talking about You know, the deeper aspects of all this.
	Well, you know, I think the guy who published my books up to that point, I think he's still running, really.
	So I had no choice.
	And it's a real bonus when you...
	Publish your own books because it means you've not got a lawyer looking over your shoulder, a media lawyer, saying no all the time because, you know, I've worked in the media, the mainstream media, and media lawyers, basically, their first reaction to anything is no because they're watching their own back.
	So what I write actually goes out.
	And the other great bonus is that if you write for a publisher, Then, you know, you'll write a book this year and they'll list it for publication next year, whereas we will finish the book and it's straight to the printers and out, which is absolutely what you need when you're dealing with a situation that we are, which is constantly moving public events and happenings.
	You have to be current.
	You absolutely have to be current.
	And let me also say, there's a couple of issues that I disagree with you on, which means that when I praise you, I think it's that much more sincere.
	You are surrounded with your own family members that support you.
	And to me, That's quite a statement.
	There are a lot of people in history that may be lifted up and lauded and praised as heroes of the public, but sucked as parents.
	And in the meantime, you, in contrast, your family, your kids, not only support you, not only surround you, Back you as you've been hammered.
	But now work with you and for you.
	And I've been impressed with Gareth's reporting as well.
	He's done a fantastic job.
	And I don't know how long you've been calling him Gaz.
	That's what, since he's like six or seven years old?
	How long has that been his nickname? Well, a long time.
	The thing is that...
	You know that family members can be trusted.
	Now, not all family members can be trusted, as many people watching this interview will know.
	But mine can.
	And I'm very fortunate because, you know, we're in a time where families are being broken up over whether they will push back on the COVID story or whether they won't, whether they'll have the fake vaccine or whether they won't.
	And, you know, you get...
	stories from people all the time including doctors who push back and their family just basically cuts them off which is bizarre behavior by any stretch of the imagination but I'm fortunate with my family because they can all see it and they've not seen it because I've told them that they should see it.
	They've seen it over the years by seeing that The information I've been putting out makes sense and makes sense of events that the official narratives don't make sense of.
	So they've come to their own conclusions.
	It's not just, Dad says this, so we must believe it.
	Absolutely not. They've come to their own conclusions and it's fantastic.
	Gaz does a great job and my other son, Jamie, who started the iconic media platform and runs that, he's done a fantastic job and it makes me very proud to be working with them.
	I've come across multiple spellings of iconic.
	There is an iconic without a K. Is that also part of Jamie's work, or is that a different thing?
	I know. This iconic's got a K in it, and that's it.
	Any other iconic is something else.
	Okay. Well, let me double down on that a little bit, David.
	You... I think you're being the beneficiary.
	I think you're being the...
	What a coincidence.
	I have some... What is that?
	Go figure that, David.
	Stand by while I silence that alarm.
	I have no idea what that is.
	Please stand by. Hold on. Okay.
	Really weird how that would happen in the middle of our interview.
	Go figure. Let me go into exactly what I was going to say, picking up where I left off.
	I think that the renaissance that you are enjoying is well-deserved as a result of your courage to stand up Against the this pandemic, and this is of no small risk to yourself.
	Did you go through a process where you counted the costs, particularly with your with your family?
	Because let me give an example.
	The president of Tanzania, John Magufuli.
	It basically punks the testing process.
	First of all, as soon as you're told that you don't know if you're sick or not, you need an expert to test you and then tell you that you're sick, automatically there are some red flags there.
	The president of Tanzania, John Magafuli, punked the process with everything from goats to guavas, and then he was kidnapped and killed.
	So there's no small risk.
	You're combating billions of dollars of criminal enterprise.
	Did you go through a process where you said, listen, this is what I'm at risk for, this is what my kids are at risk for, and I'm going to charge it anyway?
	Nope, nope, nope.
	I don't go through processes of potential consequences.
	I just do what I know to be right.
	I do what I believe to be right.
	And, you know, it's about playing the long game.
	If you are...
	If you're convinced that you are just a bag of bones and you have three score years and ten or whatever you have, and then that's it, or you're going to be judged by a god or whatever, then you can see life in a certain way and you can...
	I think it's the big trap of wanting to avoid death at all costs.
	Because once you do that, once you fear death, which is just a very extreme aspect of the fear of the unknown, which is a human disease, then you...
	You are in a prison immediately, because your behaviour, what you will do and what you will not do, will start to be governed by how that might affect your potential longevity.
	Now, I don't think like that, and I've never thought like that, and I don't think that now.
	So I just do what I believe to be right and the consequences take care of themselves because to consider consequences and all that is to consider not doing what you know to be right.
	I will not consider that.
	And my family is the same.
	And so what will be will be, but it will be doing what we know to be right.
	And it's amazing that when you go with that energy, that energy without fear of consequences, that, you know, some of the consequences that people would list As potential consequences of doing that don't happen.
	And, you know, we've also got to grasp something else.
	There is a deeply evil, evil in my definition is the absence of love.
	There is a deeply evil network that's behind all this.
	There's been manipulating human society for eons and has actually now gone on public display through the COVID hoax.
	Because it has to, because it's getting close to its endgame.
	And, you know, if you're going to change society, you can only manipulate from the shadows for so long before society actually has to physically change.
	And at that point, you put yourselves on public display, which is what's happening now.
	But we shouldn't fall into the trap Of believing that this cabal of psychopaths are all powerful.
	They're not. They don't have any power.
	The only power they have is the power we give them.
	There's eight billion people, apparently, on planet Earth.
	And at the core of the core of this network, you get them in a single room.
	You know, the mathematics alone show where the power is, but what the population has been persuaded to do is to give their power away to authority in the form of acquiescence, and that power is then recycled back in the form of imposition.
	And a lot of that Fear of authority, because that's what it is, comes from fear of consequences.
	Of course it does. Now, when you don't have fear of consequences, because you've got to do what you know to be right, and what comes from that will come from that, it will just take its course, then authority doesn't intimidate you anymore.
	And you're not giving your power to authority anymore.
	And we've seen, for instance, in London, there was a fantastic event in London on Saturday, which I spoke at, in Trafalgar Square.
	Tens and tens of thousands of people.
	It was amazing. But in previous months since the spring, there has been...
	Marches through London.
	This was a rally with speakers, but there were marches through London.
	Now, when it started in the spring of 2020 with the first lockdowns, trying to get any protest movement generated was pretty hopeless.
	Their numbers were very small.
	The police could move in and just break them up and arrest people.
	But from the spring of 2020, 2021 and March, the numbers just became a multitude walking through London and walking through the streets of London.
	And suddenly the all-powerful police, when they were dealing with a few, could only just stand there and watch them go past.
	There's just too many people.
	And that alone is a visual symbol of where the real power is.
	But, you know, if you fear consequences, then what you tend to do is say, you know, well, there's enough consequences on my list now for me not to do what I know to be right.
	And that's how these people react.
	Gain their control and maintain their control.
	And so I look at it in a completely different way.
	So I don't consider consequences.
	I consider, is it right to do this?
	Do I believe it's right to do this?
	Do I believe it's right to say this?
	Okay, I'm doing it and saying it, and the consequences will take care of themselves.
	Outstanding. You know, I follow Gareth on Twitter, and he had posted a video of one of those And it was inspiring.
	It was absolutely inspiring.
	And it was clear the citizen journalist was reporting on the street, standing outside of a locked police car, saying, it is confirmed.
	The police have lost control of this protest.
	They're outnumbered 1,000 to 1.
	It's absolutely thrilling.
	I will tell you, David, that your courage and the courage of your family in confronting this has made me overnight a fan.
	And then I had to double down and do a lot of research to catch up.
	And boy, I've missed a lot.
	Alice in Wonderland in the World Trade Center.
	David, like 2002.
	You saw what I called by slang the genitalia administration of Colin Powell, Dick Cheney, George Scull and Bones, Bush number 43.
	And you predicted in January of 2000, January 2001, that another needless war was coming.
	Well ahead of time.
	By contrast, The supposed breakthrough questioning of the 9-11 narrative, I would call loose change.
	2005, you predated loose change by three years.
	Right after 9-11, you were saying bollocks and throwing the bullshite fight.
	Again, fantastically courageous thing to do.
	Well, what happened is, you know, I started on this journey consciously.
	I mean, my journey to this goes back to the day I was born, when I look back, but consciously it started in 1990.
	And what I was looking for was who controlled the world.
	And I've had many, many, shall we say, Paranormal experiences that have put information in my lap in a most extraordinarily synchronistic way.
	And when I look at something, I want to know how it works, how it can work.
	So when you hear something like, a few people control the world, okay, fine, how?
	And when I'm doing a jigsaw puzzle, I've done one for a long time, but when I used to, I always wanted to get all those pieces with the straight bits on, so I could get the frame.
	I wanted the frame first, and then I would add the others.
	And the more you put in, of course, the quicker you put the...
	The later ones in because it's obvious, more obvious where they go.
	So the structure of those straight bits that I was looking for is how it's possible to do this.
	And so when I was looking at these events that happened, which just happened to be so So wonderful, such gifts for this cabal in the sense that the happening means that they can justify changing society in the way they want.
	I coined the phrase back in the 90s, problem, reaction, solution, where you create a problem covertly You blame someone or something else for it.
	You get your pathetic media to tell the public the version of the problem you want them to believe.
	I mean, I'm describing the COVID thing here in detail, really.
	It's just another problem, reaction, solution, or no problem, reaction, solution.
	And then third point is that those who covertly create the problem and blame someone else and got the public to react, something must be done, then Openly offer the problem, the solutions to the problems they've created, which are advancement of this agenda for the centralized Orwellian global fascist state, which would have been resisted by people without the original problem or the illusion of the problem.
	There's another version of it that I call No problem, reaction, solution, where you don't need a real problem, you need the public perception that there's a problem, because the perception will get you through to get your solutions in place.
	So when I looked at what happened on 9-11, it was a classic problem, reaction, solution to me.
	It was obvious on the day That this was going to be used to make tremendous changes in the world and justify many, many actions that otherwise wouldn't be.
	So I literally started researching the story of 9-11 on the day it happened.
	And I focused my whole attention on it right into the early months of 2002 when I was writing this book.
	And I went back to Alice in Wonderland.
	I did the World Trade Center disaster a few years ago.
	And my intention was to...
	Update it. It was about, what would it be, 2016, 17, to update it.
	And I soon realized that I had to start again because so much had happened since that had to be encompassed.
	Let's start again. And I produced a book called The Trigger, which is a very substantial book, looking at not only that the official story is ridiculous, but But actually, who did it?
	And it wasn't 19 Arab hijackers who were flying planes when they, you know, wide-body jets when they couldn't fly Cessnas, one-engine planes.
	That was obvious. I mean, the guy called Hany Hanjor, who's supposed to have been at the controls of Flight 77, which is said to have been flown into the Pentagon, He was denied the right to hire a one-engine plane six weeks earlier because he was so incompetent.
	I mean, the whole story is ludicrous.
	Donald Rumsfeld came out on September 10th.
	And said that under his watch, the Defense Department had lost $2 trillion.
	Now in other governments and other regimes, other administrations, that guy would be executed for high treason.
	And yet they brought that out on the day before 9-11 like it was a joke.
	And then on 9-11, that airliner conducted a 9G spiral turn and flew itself into the accounting section of the Pentagon, which was just absolutely an amazing marvel.
	No more or less than two airliners pancaking three skyscrapers in New York City into their own footprint.
	Not to cut you off, David, but just to back you up.
	Yeah, the whole story is ludicrous.
	But you see, the greatest form of mind control, or one of the greatest forms of mind control, is repetition.
	And if people keep repeating the same story, then people that have conceded the right to think and form their own unique opinions will believe what the repetition says, because it's all they've ever heard, and it becomes an everybody knows that.
	And once it's an everybody knows that, it becomes an accepted fact among vast numbers of people when actually it's a nonsense and provably so.
	So if you look at this COVID situation, what you've had is the same narrative coming out all over the world.
	The same narrative through the world, the mainstream media worldwide, the same narrative through the Silicon Valley corporations.
	Constantly. And plus the censorship of any other view that doesn't support or questions the official narrative.
	And so billions of people have only heard one narrative of this.
	And so they believe it because that's all they've ever heard.
	And so it's repetition.
	That is the major way that people form their opinions.
	And when you stop people and you say, well, did you know this?
	Did you know that? Did you know that?
	All provable fact.
	They just look at you like, what?
	I never heard that. No, you never heard that.
	The BBC ain't going to tell you.
	CNN ain't going to tell you.
	They're all owned and controlled by this network that's selling you the story.
	But it's not just the COVID. The COVID thing has brought so much together, and it's an example of so many of these different areas of manipulation.
	But 9-11 is a classic.
	The weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, which didn't exist, is a classic.
	They're all problem-reaction solutions, or in terms of that Iraq situation, no problem-reaction solution.
	And they invaded an entire country on the basis of a problem that didn't exist because of repetition, repetition, repetition.
	And, of course, once it becomes clear, actually, there are no weapons of mass destruction.
	Well, actually, the job's done now.
	They've done it. It don't matter if people say, well, yeah.
	And, you know, I've made this point in some of my books.
	When you look at the story of 9-11, And who told you that story?
	Because it was in 2001 and the invasion of Iraq was in 2003.
	A lot of the people that told you there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq were the same people that told you the story of 9-11.
	And you get this with people.
	You say, well, you know, what do you think about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
	This is after the invasion and it all came out.
	Well, they bloody lied, didn't they?
	They bloody lied, yeah.
	But they're the same people you believed when they told you what happened on 9-11.
	The whole thing is a mind game, a psychological operation, and repetition, and control of the narrative, which means control of the perceptions of the population that doesn't question, is the foundation of all of it.
	I mean, their narrative on COVID, quote COVID, is so ridiculous, so nonsensical, so massively full of contradictions, The only way they're going to protect it is by the censorship of those that are uncovering or revealing the nonsense.
	They can't do it any other way.
	They certainly can't stand up and stand behind their narrative and defend it.
	It's undefendable. I don't want anyone to be censored.
	I want all the information out there so people can make of it what they will and come to their own unique conclusions.
	Because I'm confident in what I'm saying.
	I'm very happy that they won't do it with me.
	They won't do it with me. I'm banned from the mainstream media in Britain, in broadcast media particularly.
	I'm happy to debate with any of them.
	Their narrative against what I'm saying.
	They won't do it.
	They won't do it because they know the narrative is unsupportable.
	It's unsustainable. It's undefendable.
	So what they do, instead of debating, which a confident person would do, they just delete all opposition and other information.
	And that is the work of someone who knows That their narrative does not stand up to scrutiny.
	So they just have to stop the scrutiny.
	That's what it's all about. David, you are, without a doubt, the most dangerous man in relation to fighting against this criminal enterprise, this scandemic.
	And they have a tough situation because you have your own publisher, you have your own video hub.
	And I think it is a product of overreach, what they've done.
	What we need, what you've been pointing out, what we need is for people to wake up and ask questions.
	And I think this is endemic to one of your key phrases, one of your Aikian phrases, know the outcome and you'll see where the world is being taken.
	In order to do that, you need to question things.
	You need to question authority and don't just take it when someone is in a white lab coat with a stethoscope around their neck and a clipboard or a tablet.
	Don't just take in exactly what they say and don't question that.
	And I think this is critical.
	You are leading the revolution of helping people to question the authorities that have been malignant For generations, there's, go ahead.
	Yeah, that's the point. You make a very good point.
	It's going back to something I said earlier about they'll lie to you about weapons of mass destruction.
	People say, oh yeah, they lied, but 9-11?
	Oh, they're not lying there. And it's a simple thing.
	If you say to people, you know, that people want to sound streetwise, they'll say things like, you never believe what you read in the papers, or you never believe what the media tell you.
	Oh, you can't believe a politician.
	And then they go ahead and do it!
	They do it! I mean, in Britain, well, you've got Fauci in America and many others, but they've been lied to since the turn of 2020.
	To their own detriment, to the point of taking a vaccine that could very well be fundamentally altering their DNA. Yeah, and killing them.
	It's killed so many already.
	This is the scale of information suppression.
	We've had considerably now over a thousand deaths in Britain connected to these fake vaccines through what they call the yellow card system.
	It's the same as your VA system.
	And according to...
	Even the authorities will accept that only about 10% of vaccine-connected adverse reactions and deaths are actually reported with the yellow card system.
	There's a Harvard study with your VAERS system that had the figure of reporting...
	Connections are to adverse events and deaths of vaccines down as low as 1%.
	So let's say 10%.
	That means that it's well over 10,000 people in Britain have been connected to death, not even adverse reaction.
	That's over a million now in Britain on that reporting system.
	And so it is this massive death and destruction going on.
	But it's not getting to the people that only get their views from the mainstream media.
	And it's this control of information that is the whole foundation of how they've got away with it.
	But it's self-respect in the end.
	Governments lie.
	The whole of history shows you that governments and leaders lie.
	Dictators lie.
	So that means your starting point every time, this is how I've worked for all these 30 years, is that they're lying.
	So let's see if the evidence is there to see on this occasion if they're not lying.
	And you look at it and, you know, invariably you find that actually they are lying.
	But just saying governments lie and media lies and then believing what they tell you, that's the form of schizophrenia.
	You know, they lie, so check out what they're saying.
	And, you know, again, you mentioned there, know the outcome and you'll see the journey, which means obviously you know where we're being taken, then you'll see us being taken there step by step, day by day.
	But there's also the understanding that what appears to be unconnected organizations, unconnected people, are actually fundamentally connected.
	They're connected to a global web of secret societies and semi-secret groups.
	So you then start to realize that actually there seems to be competing media organizations like MSNBC and CNN and what have you.
	But you realize that at the level of the web, they're actually controlled by the same force, same people.
	And a wonderful example in the COVID hoax is the World Health Organization and Silicon Valley.
	They're both owned by this web, this global cult, as I call it.
	They were created by them.
	The World Health Organization was created by the Rockefeller family overwhelmingly in 1948 as part of the UN, which of course was very much involved with the Rockefeller family.
	They gave the land on which the UN building stands today free of charge because they wanted this global body to evolve into a world government dictatorship eventually, which is where they're closing in on now.
	Which prior to that was a slaughterhouse, which is very fitting.
	Yeah, absolutely right.
	You then have, therefore, the narrative from the World Health Organization, which is this nonsense.
	Gates, of course, controls the World Health Organization, not least through funding.
	And he's a very, very close associate going way back, his family of the Rockefeller family.
	And then on the other side of this, you've got the Silicon Valley corporations like Facebook and Twitter and YouTube and Facebook.
	Google that, of course, I'm new to.
	And they announced very, very early on that they were going to censor any postings, videos, that challenge, question, the World Health Organization narrative.
	Now, from the perspective of someone who doesn't know the connections, you'd go, well...
	Why are they going to do that?
	Why would they do that?
	Well, because the same force owns the World Health Organization that owns the Silicon Valley corporations.
	And therefore, they are going to defend the narrative, which is only defendable by censorship, of the World Health Organization.
	And this is how it works.
	And the world becomes a very, very much more open book once you realize where we're being taken, how we're being taken there, the techniques, and also the network that allows that agenda to be imposed.
	I mean, again, the COVID situation has brought all this to the surface.
	What are the chances of virtually every country in the world reacting to this, quote, virus in exactly the same way?
	There's one or two examples that didn't, but there are very few.
	I mean, minute compared with those that did.
	They're going to beat down. They're going to beat down.
	It's globally coordinated.
	Yeah, they've been beat down.
	I want to mention another David I quote that absolutely thrilled me.
	Pothead Jack Dorsey has nothing to do with Twitter.
	Home run, well done you.
	I would say the exact same thing about Mark Zuckerberg.
	Yes. On February 4th in 2004, DARPA and the Pentagon closed their experiment called LifeLog and Facebook began the very next day.
	Yeah, I mean, this is a very important area.
	You know, I talk about this web.
	Well, this web is not run by the front men and women that appear to be running these corporations.
	They're gophers. Gates is a gopher.
	He's a very rich gopher, and he has power at the level he operates, but power on behalf of those above him, not power on behalf of himself.
	And so...
	You know, this technological world that's just rolled out and is rolling out faster and faster, it's not come overwhelmingly from the innovation of random people.
	It's come from coordinated preparation.
	And so you have technology.
	I've been writing about this for decades.
	You have technology in the underground bases and the secret projects that is light years ahead of anything you see in the public arena.
	And so what they're doing is they're rolling this out in a sequence, which as it plays out in the public arena appears to be new inventions and new discoveries and new developments, one following the other.
	And if you notice, there's not been a time when, once this started to motor, where these guys were sitting around the table strumming their fingers, just waiting for some geek in a garage somewhere to invent the next stage of the technology.
	It just rolls out.
	And it rolls out because it's coming out of the secret projects in the underground bases.
	Now, to do that, you have to have cover stories to make these things appear to be random.
	And so you fund and you develop Facebook and Google and YouTube, which was bought by Google.
	You do the same with Twitter.
	You fund them at Amazon.
	And if you note a common theme with them, it's that in their developmental period, When they were starting and they weren't making money, they were losing lots of money in the early stages.
	Look at Amazon, great example.
	But there was always money to fund the losses.
	And what was happening is that Companies that did have to watch the bottom line, that didn't have, you know, unlimited funds coming from the shadows, they couldn't compete with these organizations that had unlimited funding.
	And so they went by the wayside and the power of these corporations, which you mentioned a very important organization, DARPA, the Technological development art of the Pentagon, but there are others.
	They're behind these organizations, and behind the DARPAs is this global cult that I talk about.
	So the internet is a Trojan horse.
	Now, I'm not knocking the internet.
	I'm glad it's here, because up to this point, until the censorship got crazy, you were able to communicate information you wouldn't otherwise.
	I've been able to do on the scale that you did.
	But that was just from the cult's point of view, that was a period they just have to hold their hand up and say, well, we can't do anything about that.
	Why? Because the idea from the start was to bring in the internet, which DARPA claims that the internet was their creation on military technology.
	And then you get the World Wide Web coming in.
	And the idea was to make the internet the central pillar of global society.
	And all other things were dispensed with because the internet was everything.
	And up to the point where they became the central pillar, you didn't have the censorship.
	Because if the internet was censored like it is now, it wouldn't have taken off as it did.
	It wouldn't. People say, this is great, you sell what you like, and it goes around the world, it's brilliant, this.
	Yeah, they're pulling you in.
	David, I might say not to interrupt you, but I recently saw Owen Benjamin, a guy that was kicked out of Hollywood for being too much of a maverick, say the exact same thing about digital currency, and I agree with him 100%.
	Digital currency is being used as a trap.
	It seems like a great thing.
	You were luring people in, and once they're in, they get the rug pulled out from underneath of you.
	Do you have an opinion on digital currency, Bitcoin, and so forth?
	Yeah, I would agree with what you've said.
	I mean, the British government, whether you saw it in the last few days, has announced...
	Bitcoin, right. It wants to move to that digital currency.
	Digital currency is actually the way that they want to go.
	In fact, they want the digital currency to be a part of the human body eventually, so that the human body, because of all the bits and technology in it, the nanotechnology can actually interact with technology and you can do your...
	Your transactions without even a phone or a card.
	But the same thing applies here.
	So once the central pillar of the internet became the central pillar of global society, then the censorship started because it was basically, well, what are you going to do about it?
	And the reason they want the internet is because it's algorithmically...
	Able to censor. You know, you don't need any debate anymore.
	I mean, if you have a newspaper, not that there is much, you still have to have some kind of, maybe there's, you know, some debate.
	Well, why is this not going in?
	Why? But there's no debate with algorithms.
	They just pick out keywords and censor.
	And of course, what they're doing now and increasing is to censor something actually before it's posted, stop it being posted.
	And then you have the internet giants, which have gone through exactly the same process because it's been controlled by exactly the same force, same people.
	So you seed fund your Facebooks and your Twitters and your Googles and YouTubes.
	And in the early days, of course, no censorship.
	You say what you like. So everything moved to the internet.
	Everything moved to Facebook, moved to YouTube, etc.
	And then, because of this limitless funding they had to basically destroy the opposition, they reached a virtual monopolistic situation.
	Then the censorship started, as with the internet, and suddenly now they're censoring politicians and political meetings.
	David, you must have seen this as an author.
	Back in the day, we would go out and we'd get our own sites and sources, libraries and so forth, actual hard copies of books.
	Today, we're encouraged to use digital copies of books where sources like Amazon can actually edit a book that's been published, and you don't even realize that you see it on your Kindle.
	You don't even realize it's already been edited.
	Things you're looking for are no longer in existence.
	Yeah, I mean, Amazon's an interesting one because it's exactly the same.
	You start out selling books, you lose a fortune because of the speed that you are expanding exceeds your income, but the money comes anyway.
	And you are not censoring books.
	Because if you censor books in those early days, then you're going to get a kickback.
	And people will say, I'm not going to Amazon.
	They censor. So you don't censor.
	And it's the same process.
	And then when you reach a monopolistic situation, which Amazon has, not least with books, so many independent publishers have gone under because of Amazon.
	Then you start censoring books, and that's what they're doing now.
	Because I said in my books back in the 90s, early 2000s, the idea is to reach a situation where no one sees or hears anything that is not approved by this cult through governments and other governments.
	So you, on that basis, have to censor books, you have to censor internet postings, you have to censor speech.
	And that's what we're seeing, where increasingly, the mildest criticism is...
	It's censored.
	I mean, the British government now wants to censor journalists and threaten them with long prison sentences for revealing documents leaked to them.
	I mean, they want to stop everything.
	And I could see this coming.
	That's why publishing my own books was so important.
	And we've taken that on.
	Because there are always areas that you can't control.
	But as best we can, we have to reach a situation where we control everything we can control.
	So whether a book is published or not, we decide that.
	And there'll always be someone who will print it somewhere.
	Although, you know, over the years we've had printers just pull overnight for no other reason than, you know, people have told them that you should print his books.
	And then we've got Iconic, which has its own server.
	We have our own servers for Iconic.
	Again, Covering all bases as best you can.
	And you go forward.
	But, you know, there's...
	Well, you've heard about this, but this is not just Britain.
	This is global, as I'll come to.
	There's a bill going through Parliament called the Online Safety Bill.
	And that is a plan.
	I mean, some MPs, very few, but some MPs are kicking back on this quite substantially.
	That is a plan to say that if the authorities consider something to be harmful, even though to say it or post it is legal, Then this online harm safety bill will allow the authorities, the government, to censor it, even though it's legal.
	And there's an organization here called Ofcom, the Office of Communications, which is the British government's censor operation, started by Tony Blair.
	That's how bad it is. Um, that will be given control, um, by this bill, uh, to censor, uh, posts on, uh, alternative social media platforms, whether it be Telegram, Parler, whatever, Gab, uh, and, uh, Independent, non-censored video platforms, you know, like BitChute and all these others that have developed after the censorship of YouTube.
	And the bill says that all that the company has to do anywhere in the world to come under this bill and massive fines is Is to broadcast its operation within the UK, which, of course, being the internet, that means everybody.
	And at the same time, you've got Klaus Schwab, this mega-fascist co-founder or founder of the World Economic Forum, who is coordinating a global version of this, Where all the media companies cooperate to censor information that's legal but can be considered harmful.
	And harmful, of course, the definition of that in this case is harmful to the official narrative and its credibility across the great swathe of subjects.
	So we are facing a phenomenal effort to bring about the situation I talked about so long ago of making sure that no one can ever see or hear anything that is not approved by the cult through the various states and ultimately by this world government they won.
	I'm still very positive and I'm still very hopeful.
	And if you looked at the situation from a, just if you like, a five cents perspective, an intellectual perspective, you would look at it and think, We're done.
	We've got no chance.
	But there's a lot to happen.
	There's a lot to come. And we are going to see in the next few months and through 2021, 2022, and 2023, an absolute onslaught of attacks, abuse, and vitriol, demonization. Of those that refuse to get the fake vaccine and are pushing back on any aspect of this agenda.
	It's coming. It's happening already.
	We've got situations now where The official data shows that people going to hospital with, quote, COVID are overwhelmingly the fake vaccinated who are supposed to be protected from it.
	And they're not going to hospital with COVID. They're going to hospital with the effects of the fake vaccine.
	But the absolute opposite is being spun, that we, quote, have an epidemic or a pandemic of the unvaccinated.
	And this is, see, what's going to happen in this period that I've just described?
	And I don't want to say it, but I mean, it's true, and we'll see that it's true.
	Enormous numbers of people are going to die who've had this fake vaccine.
	Already have. I mean, you've reported on it, David.
	Already have. But because the material, That's been put into people by these fake vaccines is self-replicating.
	With every passing day, month, the impact on the body is going to increase.
	And so they have to find a way of explaining away all these deaths without saying, actually,
	it's the fake vaccines.
	So, you're going to have variants of the variant, variant, variant, variant, variant, variant,
	variant, variant, variant variance.
	And you're going to have, it's the non-vaccinated that are behind this.
	That's why it's happening.
	So this is a period that we need to be extremely strong in.
	Come together, pick each other up as people fall and doubt and fear.
	And let's get through this because on the other side, this is coming down.
	This is coming down.
	It really, it really is.
	And it may seem impossible now, but it is coming down.
	But this period that we're going into now is going to be very, very challenging for those that refuse to bow to this tyranny.
	Clearly, these people are moving out of fear, out of deep fear, because they've always been mass murderers, but now they've had to pull in a lot of their drones to commit their mass murder for them.
	And just as you and Gareth have bravely reported on the Liverpool pathway and the use of midazolam, To just commit murder, to boost their numbers by actually murdering people, starting with the old, starting with the elderly.
	But let me ask you about a concern...
	Just very quickly, you know, it's interesting.
	You know, this has been going on both sides of the Atlantic.
	The health secretary in Britain, a guy called Matt Hancock, who, you know, if he had a brain cell, it would die of loneliness.
	One of those guys, but he was health secretary.
	Very, very unpleasant piece of work.
	That's why he was health secretary.
	He ordered vast amounts, years of supply of this midazolam, this ending of life drug, in the spring of 2020.
	And then it was used on old people in care homes, etc., on a scale that was unprecedented.
	And it's what they give them to take them out.
	So that was happening here, but it was happening in America.
	And did you notice this week, the Biden administration has announced there's not going to be a Justice Department investigation into the deaths of old people in New York under Cuomo and...
	They actually played those numbers down.
	They were murdering so many elderly in the People's Republic of New York.
	Andrew Cuomo, son of Mario Cuomo, we just have the same people exchanging hands, exchanging power over and over and over again.
	Why would they do that, David, unless they were actually murdering people and they needed to play those numbers down?
	They could have very easily boosted their COVID death toll, but instead they wanted to sweep it under the carpet.
	They're really killing people. They are killing people.
	I mean, you know, the agenda to take out the elderly and older people have been in my books for a long, long time, way back.
	And now they've taken the opportunity to do it.
	What they're doing. I mean, I said this was coming.
	I mean, these people are nothing if not predictable.
	They're now introducing in Britain, for instance, and it's the same thing is happening in America because it's essentially globally coordinated agenda.
	So what's happening in Britain is eventually happening everywhere.
	But they are introducing, the British government's going to do it, booster fake vaccines, COVID fake vaccines, in just September, coming up.
	For the vulnerable people, I mean, it's the elderly, among others they want to get rid of, like the infirm and people with learning difficulties, you know.
	You know, in Britain, in that same period when the midazolam was being handed out like confetti to old people to take them out, the so-called National Health Service in Britain Dictated to by the government.
	We're introducing do not resuscitate orders on all and sundry.
	Do not resuscitate. DNR orders, whereby if someone needs resuscitation, they don't get it.
	They're allowed to die. Now, this was not only done, and that was done in coordination with the midazolam and morphine, but they weren't only doing it.
	This is provable fact on old people.
	They were doing it on people with learning difficulties.
	They're monsters, David.
	They're monsters. I just pulled up a UK Times from 2020.
	This is Nazi Germany made manifest in 2020.
	Absolutely. UK Times from 2020.
	Chris Whitty says it's too early to hug Granny yet because we have the variant of the variant coming out.
	They want the elderly to be overwhelmed in depression and mental hopelessness to help further along their murder.
	I have said repeatedly, I'm Italian, old country Italian, I've said, listen, every one of us that has gone through a selfish lifestyle where we've kicked our elderly into homes and hospices, we have enabled them.
	We've took our loved ones and we've put them into their hands and they're saying basically, hey, you want to live your selfish lifestyle, I'll be happy to kill off your father, your grandfather, your grandmother, your mother.
	I call it Jesuit justice for a whole host of reasons.
	But these are absolute monsters.
	I want to ask you about something else.
	What they are. Very quickly, what they are.
	I've been writing about this for a long time.
	And this is a big thing.
	It's to grasp what we're dealing with.
	Because once you grasp what we're dealing with, then this idea of they would never do that It goes out of the window once you know what you're dealing with.
	And if you look at whether it's the Christian religion and they talk about the demons and Satan and the devil, you look at the Gnostics, they talk about Yaldir Beov, their version of the devil, and Archons, their version of demons.
	Archons being rulers, and the word meaning rulers in Greek.
	And you look at all these different areas of the world.
	I mean, you know, the Native American tribal group, the Cree, have a name for this force, this negative evil lacking any love force.
	They call it wotiko. And I've talked about Wotiko.
	In fact, I've just got a new book out called Perceptions of a Renegade Mind, and the last chapter is called Escaping Wotiko.
	I think it's one of the most important chapters I've ever written.
	And so you're dealing with a force, which essentially, if you go back through the form of its manifestation, is a state of consciousness.
	Very, very dark...
	Distorted, inverted.
	That's why the human society is inverted, because this consciousness is inverted.
	This is why Satanists and people like that invert their symbols.
	They invert the cross, they invert the pentagram, because everything's inversion.
	I mean, evil, appropriately, is the word live, life, written backwards.
	It's all inversion.
	And this consciousness, this wotikol, these demons, whatever you want to call them, People have no capacity for empathy.
	That's why they're psychopaths.
	The nature of psychopathy comes from this consciousness.
	That's how it came into the world.
	A psychopath has no empathy, no compassion, lies as much as necessary to get what he wants.
	I've just described the mainstream media there, of course.
	Hillary Clinton on Muammar Gaddafi.
	We came, we saw he died.
	Yeah, they have no capacity for empathy whatsoever.
	And empathy is the failsafe mechanism of behavior, because if you can put yourself in the feelings of those you were affecting, That empathy is a fail-safe mechanism on your behavior.
	You won't do that because you can feel what they can feel.
	You can sense what they can feel.
	You can understand what they're feeling and you're making them feel.
	But when you have no empathy, there are no limits.
	Anything goes, anything at all.
	You know, mass famines, mass wars, mass murder, killing old people.
	These things have no emotional impact on you whatsoever because you have no empathy.
	You've been mocked, Dave.
	You've been mocked on saying that these people are inhuman.
	And I got to tell you, that's one of the things that I've been agreeing with you from the very beginning.
	I do want to ask you about tales from the time loop.
	You said the New Testament is based on symbolic stories repeated over and over in thousands of years before it was compiled.
	And relate to a large extent to Sumerian Egyptian religion.
	The New Testament text, in turn, created a manufactured religion and history called Christianity.
	I got to say, I kind of winced at that one, being a born-again Christian.
	Do you still feel strongly about that?
	Yeah, well, I'll tell you why.
	I mean, let me put it this way.
	People can use a religious context to express their love, to express their good nature, to express their kindness.
	And that's a good thing. And there's many, many Christians that do that.
	I'm not knocking that.
	But for me, it's the structure.
	The structure that says, this is a belief, and if you believe outside of it, well, you're no longer in this structure.
	You're no longer one of us.
	And so I see this structure in Christianity.
	I see it in Islam.
	I see it in Judaism.
	I see it in Hinduism, where you have this belief system structure, which people have to adhere to, to be one of that beliefs.
	That religion. And I also see, you know, the leaders of these various religions, the middlemen and women as I call them, Who are basically defining what God wants.
	I'm not an atheist saying, I'm the last person who said atheist, the last person in the world, and saying that, oh no, life's just an accident and then the lights go out.
	Absolutely it does. Life's eternal.
	Not the life of the body, obviously, but the life of consciousness, the life of the eternal level of self.
	And what I have is a direct connection Or an interaction with this enormity of consciousness and love that I call all that is, rather than through a structure of religion.
	And also, when I went back to see where did this start, I went back to Babylon, for instance, and in the Babylon religion, they had a trinity.
	They had the father god, Nimrod.
	They had the virgin-born son, Ninus Tammus, and they had the third part of their trinity was a goddess called Queen Semiramis.
	And this cult moved out of the Middle East and Babylon, Sumer before, and it ended up in Rome and it founded Rome.
	And out of the Roman period came Christianity.
	And that has a trinity, which is the Father God.
	That's the Babylonian Nimrod in this structure.
	I'm not saying that's how it is.
	I'm saying in their belief system, in their structure.
	You had the virgin-born son as part of the Trinity, and then you had the Holy Spirit or the Holy Ghost.
	Well, the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost is symbolized as a dove, and that's what Queen Semiramis was symbolized as in Babylon.
	And what they talked about in Babylon in terms of...
	In Queen Samiramis, like Queen of Heaven and Virgin-born Mother.
	These were the traits given to Mother Mary in the Christian story.
	Catholic, in the Catholic version.
	Let me say that absolutely, not to alienate Catholics, but Roman Catholicism is far more the sun worship religion that you warn of, particularly in Tales from the Time Loop, And I have examples in my books as well, all the way down to the eight-spoked sunburst in St.
	Peter's Square that many people might recognize on the United Kingdom flag at the center of that eight-spoked sunburst.
	Is the phallus of Osiris stolen from Heliopolis, the Egyptian city dedicated to Ra, the sun god.
	And the ultimate expression of Christianity is decentralized, David.
	Religion is absolutely the handmaid of these evil people.
	The ultimate expression of my Christianity, anyway, is decentralized in a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
	And I would say you're absolutely right.
	That these myths do predate Biblical Christianity.
	But to me, I reconcile that by saying we are fighting interdimensional agencies.
	And there was an interdimensional spoiler that arrived before my Bible was in hand to put these metaphors out there.
	So whether someone wants to accept that or not, it's up to them.
	And you're not wrong in giving your historical facts.
	Yeah, you're right.
	I mean, the Vatican...
	I've described the Vatican many times over the years as the Church of Babylon relocated.
	That's what it is. I mean, you know, the Pope is a cult operative, a cult front man.
	And when one slipped in, Who was actually going to challenge the power of the cult through Freemasonry in the Vatican.
	He lasted 33 days, of course.
	John Paul I? Yeah.
	A very significant Freemasonic number.
	These people are obsessed with their symbolism.
	And like I say, you know, how people symbolize their relationship with the creative force, you might call it, Which is love.
	It may not seem like this.
	But in this reality, but this reality has been infiltrated by this demonic force.
	So this demonic force, the last thing it wants is love circulating, because it wants the opposite circulating, because that gives it the power.
	Fear is the great power, the weaponized power.
	And love, in its true sense, One of the definitions I give of love is the absence of fear.
	Because love knows that we're all expressions of the infinite one.
	And thus, we are eternal.
	On an eternal journey of exploring all possibility and potential forever.
	And so, the last thing this demonic force wants is love circulating.
	So, from that perspective, it can seem, well, love holds everything together.
	I don't know how to do it. But you go beyond the walls of this.
	What I say is a simulation, actually.
	And I've been saying this since the turn of the millennium.
	And I said at the turn of the millennium that we live in a form of simulation at which this demonic force has actually created.
	And that the walls of this simulation are the speed of light.
	That's why they don't want us to think there's a faster speed than the speed of light, because that's the walls of the bloody matrix.
	You're a scientist, you come out, you say, I can prove that the speed of light is not the faster speed.
	Then, you know, they're all on top of you.
	Oh, you're going to do that, you're going to do that, you can't say that, that's really ridiculous, because that's the walls of what you might call the matrix, the simulation.
	But you go beyond that.
	And it's a very different reality.
	It's one in which love prevails.
	David, we're over time, but I want to keep you as long as I possibly can.
	You're welcome to cut out any time that you want.
	But there's so much more. I've had lots of notes.
	I want to also give you credit.
	You were way ahead of the curve in relation to true healing.
	You were bringing in issues like light and color and emotion in relation to true healing.
	And also we can trace this back to your mentor, Kredo Madhwa.
	He wasn't a mentor.
	He came to me with a perspective from the shamanistic stream of the Zulu culture that mirrored from his perspective sensationally What I'd uncovered in mostly Western sources.
	So here's this shaman, this storyteller, historian of the Zulus, who's telling me the ancient stories of Africa.
	And it synced magnificently with what I was uncovering in the West from other sources.
	And so we became enormous friends and exchanges of information at that time.
	Your lives have tracked in several areas in relation to, you have such a fantastic, I have to say, a Christian outlook in relation to what you have suffered through and saying that the humiliation and the beatdowns that you've endured have made you the man that you are.
	It's a very Christian outlook to say that These traumas and trials have matured me and in Credo experienced something very similar, having had a Catholic father that threw him out, threw out his mother because of a conflict with his Zulu mother that wasn't accepted within their family.
	He had illness and as a result He tried to rely on Western medicine that was a complete and utter failure.
	And fortunately, his Zulu grandfather, I think on his father's side, as a matter of fact, helped heal him, avoiding the fraud of Western medicine.
	And it started him on a pathway of questioning authority and questioning Crado got beat to a pulp by a nun for drawing Jesus as a black man.
	I mean, he was just coming from his perspective as a youngster.
	Religion. Just like you said, David, religion.
	That's the point. You know, you talk there about Christians.
	Christian perspective.
	See, I'm not attacking Christianity.
	I'm not attacking Christians.
	I'm not. I'm not attacking Jews.
	I'm not attacking Muslims. I'm not attacking people who follow Hinduism.
	I'm saying that look at the structure.
	You know, you have a belief system, fair enough.
	But, you know, we live in a reality of Whereby the electromagnetic spectrum is, according to mainstream science, between 0.005% and 0.5% of what exists in the universe.
	And visible light, which is the only smear of the 0.005%, et cetera, that we can see, the visual world that we can see.
	And therefore, we are isolated from the vastness Of infinite reality, the vastness of what Christians would call God in all its multitude of expressions and forms.
	And therefore, it's this...
	Myopia of possibility that comes with this is what it means to be a Christian.
	This is what it means to be a Jew.
	This is what it means to be a Hindu that I'm challenging.
	And this way the structure imposes the will of the structure upon people within it.
	But there's lots of wonderful people Open-hearted people, decent people, that express their kindness, they express their love through Christianity.
	That is absolutely not a problem.
	For me, not at all.
	So there will be things that Christians believe, and so will I. If they want to express kindness and love through Christianity, well, why not?
	It's the structure that I'm challenging, because once you have a hierarchy, in any situation, you have very few people at the top of the pyramid, and those very few people at the top of the pyramid can go into another pyramid, and this pyramid can control all the other pyramids, whereas the people in the congregation have no idea.
	I wholeheartedly agree with you.
	I wholeheartedly agree with you.
	Religion and control and structure and hierarchy.
	And it is my personal perspective and purview that none of that has anything to do with real Christianity.
	Real Christianity is completely decentralized and was originally celebrated in the homes of the believers.
	It had nothing to do with the structure that we have now.
	It is completely controlled by these same evil people.
	And like I just said, I've been with you from the very beginning.
	These people, the only thing that I would say different is that for me, I would say these people to some degree have willed themselves out of their humanity, whereas you might say that it's actually in their DNA to be inhuman.
	But the end result is the people that are committing this They're devoid of empathy.
	They're devoid of compassion.
	And they control through these methods of religion and these canalization points.
	And yet they're known, as Christ said, they're known by their fruits.
	These people are exceptionally evil.
	These priests that repeatedly rape children, that get brought up and they get protected, get protected by cops and judges and prosecutors.
	Deeply, deeply disturbing.
	And I absolutely, basically, I'm just saying I absolutely agree with you.
	Yeah, the hierarchical structure allows the future to control the many.
	I'm a big believer in decentralization.
	You know, the idea that you centralize power, that's asking for tyranny.
	And if you look at the structure of society, the way it's gone, You can see the progression.
	People started out in tribal groups, and the people in the tribal groups decided what happened in the tribe.
	Then lots of tribes were brought together under what we call countries, and now a few at the century, dictating to all those former tribes that are now in the country.
	In the European Union here in Europe, we've got Now, countries have amalgamated and they're under a central non-elected leadership, Brussels bureaucrats.
	And we've had globalization, which is the centralization of power in every area of our lives.
	And every time you centralize, you're giving power to fewer people over more people.
	And so there's a sequence that says that the more you centralize power, the more power you have at the center to centralize even quicker.
	So the speed of centralization of global power has got faster and faster and faster.
	And what they call in the Great Reset is just the completion of that job to a totally globally centralized global dictatorship.
	And so for me, I'm all for devolving power, as long as it's devolving power and not devolving almost meaningless power, but keeping the real power at the same time.
	Redirecting it. We have to be worried about it.
	I'm going to close things out so you can get going.
	Certainly the Jesuits are outstanding at creating revolutions of enabling absolute monsters and then making people upset at the bottom.
	A judge by the name of Taparelli in South America is responsible for the term social justice.
	And then they take that outrage and then they just redirect it in an unhealthy place.
	So on the way out, David, how do we guard ourselves from allowing the revolution to get taken over?
	You have been brilliant.
	On things like Operation Trust and QAnon being frauds to redirect us.
	Do I have an actual quote?
	Let's see here. Trust the plan.
	You don't have to do anything.
	Actually, yes, you do.
	Brilliantly stated, David Icke.
	How do we guard ourselves against that?
	Well, you know, we come together as a group.
	As a result of our individual sense of reality and the behaviour that comes from that.
	So, for instance, I spoke at this fantastic rally in Trafalgar Square in London on Saturday, tens of tens of thousands of people.
	And they come from their individual lives and they come together as a group because they share the desire for freedom and challenge tyranny.
	They have that in common.
	But there were Christians there.
	There were Muslims there.
	There were Hindus there. There were people of no religious belief there.
	But they'd all come together behind this This one goal of defending freedom and against tyranny.
	But so it's twofold.
	We come together and we support each other and we put aside our differences.
	You know, I don't care if someone's a Christian.
	I don't care if they're Hindu.
	I don't care if they're Muslim. I care if they're a decent person.
	You know, that's what I care about.
	So let's have our beliefs and that stuff, but let's come together.
	Let's come through the heart.
	We can all open our hearts.
	Do we want everyone to believe the same?
	Of course we don't. What a bore.
	People express this through many and various ways, which have many and various names, but it's all this in the end.
	People talk about these different versions of God, but in the end, we're talking about the creative force, the force that we call love, but it's under different names.
	This is one of the things that I've seen over the years, is as I've traveled the world, I've been to over 60 countries in the last 30 years, you see that While people on the surface appear to be different, in so many ways we're all the same.
	The great majority want the same thing.
	They want peace, they want love, they want security for their family, and they want to just get on and enjoy their lives.
	And we've got this force that is seeking to destroy that, and they're doing a good job of it at the moment.
	So if we just put aside our differences in belief, I mean, you know, if somebody comes up to me and they say, well, I believe this, and I say, well, I don't agree with that, but, you know, let's have a beer and have a chat.
	I'm not antagonistic to them because they have a different belief to me.
	What's the point? You know, I have a simple philosophy.
	Do what you like so long as you don't impose on anyone else.
	So if you have your belief, that's fine, and you can say, this is what I believe and this is why, and then people might say, oh, yeah, well, actually, that's interesting.
	You know, I might have a look at that.
	But if someone says, no, no, no, You don't say, well, you're a blasphemer.
	You're this, you're that, because you don't agree with what I agree with.
	That's tyranny. We've got to just breathe and chill and celebrate the different ways that people view life and reality and what we call God.
	But come together on all these key issues, which is your right to believe what you want.
	Your right to say what you want.
	Your right to write and post what you want.
	Because those basic rights of free flow of information, they in the end will bring everything right.
	They will. Just that. I mean, we would not be where we are in the COVID hoax if we'd have had the free flow of information since the spring of 2020.
	We wouldn't. Because the narrative would be all over the floor in pieces.
	Somebody would be getting a dustpan and brush to sweep it up.
	So that free flow of information is very, very important.
	And I find it sad That those young people, and it's not all, but those young people that have fallen for the woke mentality, I mean, I remember in the 60s when I was growing up, In the 1960s, the students were going on marches demanding freedom of speech.
	Now they're going on protest demanding is taken away.
	I mean, it's very, very sad.
	So we need to chill out on what other people believe.
	I mean, what you believe and then what you do is another thing.
	If you believe something and you do something unpleasant to someone else because of what you believe, that's a step too far.
	Like I say, do what you like, believe what you like, so long as you don't impose it on other people.
	David, let's just put it this way.
	Let's just put it this way. The key to our success is for these people, these young people, for everybody in general, to realize they're being played.
	This global cult that you talk about is playing them on their selfishness and their differences.
	They want to say, well, I want to be part of this exclusive group, whether it's a racial group or religious group or whatnot.
	They're being played, and the divisiveness is what is key.
	I want to give out one more example, and then we'll let you go.
	BLM is a magnificent example of that, of course.
	Absolutely. And that's the example.
	Oh, God said, you were inspired to give that example.
	I wanted to mention this before I let you go.
	Home run. Marxists do not live like Marxists.
	And it's fascinating that I found that that Credo Mutwa was also suspicious of communists as a way of controlling Africans to destroy their heritage and their roots.
	David, Marxists do not live like Marxists, such as BLM co-founder Patrice Cullors, who recently bought a $1.4 million home in a ritzy enclave of Los Angeles, or contrast to multi-millionaire British communist Susan Michie, who used to be worth $9 million, and then suddenly that got erased from the internet.
	Fantastic work, David.
	Well done. Yeah, well she's, Susan Mackey, the professor there, she's a behavioral psychologist and she's been driving much of the COVID restriction policy, the masks, the social distancing, the lockdowns in this country and she's a leading member of the British Communist Party and a very, very rich one as usual and you know in the In the trigger, which is massively about 9-11, but not entirely, I go through a sequence that led to the people that were really behind 9-11.
	And I bring up Karl Marx.
	And, you know, there was two tremendous books written by a Jewish rabbi called Rabbi Marvin S. Antleman, called To Eliminate the Opiate.
	And of course, he's kind of paraphrasing Marx there, to eliminate the opiate.
	He's talking about to eliminate religion.
	And he goes into some detail about Marx.
	Marx was just a front man who was a front man for the usual suspects.
	And people think, well, Marxism, that's got to be anti-capitalism.
	Well, on the face of it, it may be in its rhetoric, but it's not anti-elite.
	That's the point.
	So what you have in the capitalists, so-called capitalists, we don't have capitalism.
	You know, say, oh, it's capitalism.
	It's not actually capitalism.
	It's cartelism. That's what we have, not capitalism.
	Cartelism. They stitch the market up.
	So anyway... John B. Rockefeller, competition is a sin.
	Exactly. And that continues to this day, of course.
	Look at all these corporations.
	So you have, say, symbolically, this so-called 1% that sits on the top of this structure of alleged capitalism.
	Actually, it's 1% because it's cartelism.
	And so you have this structure of top-down hierarchical power, and that is controlled by controlling the means of purchase, the access to wealth, because If you look at freedom, freedom is basically choice.
	The more choice you have, the more freedom you have.
	The fewer choices you have, the less freedom you have.
	And by controlling the money, and this money system is basically the arbiter in the world that's being created of choice.
	What do you want to do with your life?
	I want to do this. Why aren't you doing it?
	I haven't got the money. This is the control.
	And it's control of the people.
	Through control of capital wealth, and it's controlled by the few by the accumulation of wealth.
	But then you go across to Marxism, and Marxism is simply the same structure, only state-controlled.
	They don't have to, in Marxism, they don't have to control all the wealth by acquisitions and all this stuff they go through, killing the competition.
	It's written in the constitution, or lack of constitution, of the country.
	This is the hierarchy.
	And of course, the The elite hierarchy at the top of that capitalist cartelism pyramid, the so-called 1%, they find themselves at the top in Marxist countries.
	So does anyone think that the leadership of China lives like the rest of the population?
	David, that's exactly how communist China would do the same thing to crack down on so-called COVID as the West.
	There's no difference. No, exactly.
	Well, This global cult, one of its great global sentences, is China.
	What they did, they were behind the Mao revolution, this global cult.
	And what they wanted was a closed community, a closed country, which is what China was for a long time, and still is to a considerable extent.
	But they wanted a closed, controlled society where they could incubate the global system.
	That's what China was created for, with the Mao revolution, another conman fraud, he was Mao.
	And so they have developed in China, very quickly compared with the West, this global system, because they still have to pay, not anymore, but up to recent times, some lip service to freedom, which means that the Western move to tyranny has necessarily been slower.
	But in China, if the government says this is what happens, this is what happens, it can be done very quickly.
	So what they've done in China is to create this blueprint incubated global system of Control not least through technology, which is now being played out.
	Now, so this so-called virus came out of China, the incubated world system.
	And what's happened as a result of that is that the incubated world system has been played out all over the West and gets more intensive and extreme every day.
	It's all been long planned.
	But in China, you've got an extraordinarily fierce hierarchical structure in which the poorest are light years away from the richest, but it's state structure.
	So all the means of state control, the army, the military, the police, are all Policing and imposing this hierarchical structure of control where the few The elite control the many.
	In the so-called Western capitalist countries, cartel countries, you have the same structure, but it's a little bit more difficult to hold in place because you don't have the fierce hierarchical imposition of the Marxist-Communist structure of doing things.
	So actually, what I'm saying is where I'm going with this is that If you want to be an elite that is controlling everything and everyone, then Marxism is better for you than capitalism, cartelism. Because that's a structure that's in place exactly as you want it.
	And there are no kind of, you know...
	Hidden traps where you might trip up because the structure's in place and it's fiercely hierarchically imposed.
	Whereas in the Western world, that structure is there, but it's more fluid and there are more things that can go wrong because you've not got that fierce structure that's holding it all together in the same way you have in Marxism.
	And that's what's happening with the Biden administration, of course.
	They're introducing Marxism.
	Every day, you know, I watch the Tucker Carlson show about five, six o'clock in the morning to get up to speed with some of the things that are going on in America that day.
	And every day, that's Marxism, that's Marxism, that's Marxism.
	Because Marxism suits the hierarchical elite even more than capitalism and cartelism does.
	Absolutely. David, thank you so much for your time.
	We're close. You're absolutely right.
	It's deeply disturbing. And what a fantastic way of putting that, that communist China was nothing more than a run-up.
	I have a dear friend who's got family there.
	It says that they have a complete lockdown.
	There is no freedom of movement.
	They have to show their smartphone as proof of vaccination just for a bus ride.
	It's coming.
	They're going to push that here.
	And you are leading the revolution.
	You just did Trafalgar Square.
	You have anything else coming up in the near future?
	Well, actually, I'm about to do a 14-part series for Iconic on the nature of reality, which I'm really looking forward to.
	We're going to use an animation company that can visualize or can portray some of the things that are beyond human sight that actually connect everything together, where it actually appears that everything's apart from everything else.
	So I'm looking forward to that.
	But my focus now is on...
	It sounds kind of a bit grand to say inspire, but to encourage people not to bow and not to let Perceived consequences stop them doing what they know to be right.
	Because the one thing that you know is that if you acquiesce to fascism, you get fascism.
	You acquiesce to Marxism, which is basically another form of fascism.
	You get Marxism.
	And so this is not a time to compromise.
	It's not a time to say, okay, well, I'll just do this.
	I'll just do this, because then I'll be able to do that.
	And then they come along and say, Well, I'll just do this.
	And eventually you find yourself that just do this is have actually sucked you into the whole tyranny.
	And so this is a time to stand your ground lying in the sand.
	And I'm not going to compromise an inch with it.
	I haven't said it since it started.
	I've done none of it. I won't.
	And I'm certainly not going to start now.
	But there's an onslaught coming.
	We've got to be very, very strong.
	Amen, David. I'll petition Gemma.
	I'd love to get you back to get into the details on who is at the very, very top of this global cult.
	And until then, have a blessed day.
	Thank you so much for spending time with me.
	I've thoroughly enjoyed it, David.
	God bless you. It's been a pleasure. Thanks very much.
	Bye. Take care.
	The coronavirus pandemic started in China.
	Extrusion, medical supplies, and physical products have continued...
	One of the five vaccines that we show now Stage one you create a problem.
	It could be a manufactured virus.
	You want a reaction and you want them to either say, do something, or you want them to accept what the authorities suggest must be done.
	So one of the agendas is to massively cull the population.
	They want to reduce the numbers.

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