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July 14, 2021 - David Icke
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The Illusion Of Freedom - David Icke Talks To Lillian Mcdermott
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Now, as you know, David Icke is known well around the world.
He has been speaking about controversial topics For as long as I can remember and probably beyond what I can, and I know beyond what I can remember.
Because the person who is speaking to you today would have never, ever listened to the truths that came out of David Icke's mouth a long time ago.
As a matter of fact, not too long ago he was in the classroom and he was talking about his new book, The Answer.
It's not so new anymore.
It was written last year.
And today, I asked him, as we celebrate the Fourth of July, and I'm looking at all the beautiful fireworks out of my balcony, I'm thinking, this is an illusion.
And how...
How interesting that this was what we were going to be talking about, and it happened to be a day, a national holiday for our country.
And since it is our sole purpose in life, I'm just so grateful that we have David Icke here to do just that.
Welcome, David, to the classroom.
Oh, you're muted.
You're muted. Hold on.
Go ahead and unmute yourself.
Hold on. That's the first time I've had to unmute myself.
Now my own computer's trying to shut me up.
What's going on? I mean, I'm telling you, this cancel culture has gone anew.
It's gone even deeper.
I am so grateful that you're on today, and I'm glad that we were able to get you on.
I know that you have so many things to say to wake us up.
You have been such an incredible truth teller for such a long time and you've received, you've got a lot of arrows on your back and you've paved the way for people like me.
And so I want to thank you for that, first of all.
And second of all, I want to find out how are things for you.
The last time we spoke was November and you've had big plans.
So I just want to catch us up and then we'll continue talking about the illusion of freedom.
Well, freedom is something that is not given by authority.
It's conceded by the population.
And since November, because what's been happening is, if you look at the sequence, in the spring of 2020, you had a global population that was In bewilderment, it was in a state of fear of the unknown because of all that the authorities were telling it about the so-called virus.
And fear of the unknown is the greatest human fear.
This is where fear of death comes from.
And if you analyze why people went under Meekly went under house arrest, massively, globally.
I mean, it was billions in the spring, summer of 2020.
Well, fear of death, fear of the unknown.
But what has happened since is that That fear in ever greater numbers of people has been diluted and diluted and diluted, and it's been diluted by a number of things.
One, how the lies of authority have been continually exposed to be that.
Why the narrative doesn't make sense, why the figures and the deadly, quote, virus don't add up.
The manipulating of the tests, so a test not testing for a virus, is used to dictate how many cases you claim.
The idea that you You let people have COVID-19 on the death certificate if they die of any other cause within 28 days of a test not testing for the virus.
All these things have compounded and the contradictions and all the time through 2020 that I've been watching this dilution Of the fear factor in more and more people.
They sought then to bring in the fake vaccines and they've invented the fake variants to try to increase the fear factor because that was diminishing over the so-called first version.
And what's happened is, particularly in Britain here, is that the lies of the government and the promises of the government that, oh, we're going to roll this back and all that stuff, have been continually reneged upon.
And what this has done, and in this country it's seriously happening, I can tell you, is that more and more people over this period Have been moving from the buying it camp to the not buying it camp.
And the British government said it was going to open up everything on June the 21st and then brought up some nonsense, absolute made-up nonsense, which I said they would, about variants, Indian variants or whatever.
Variant, you know, down the street, second door on the right variant.
That one's coming, I'm sure. And the...
The reneging on that moved a major chunk of people from buying it to not buying it.
And last weekend, I was on a march, protest march, Freedom March in London, and the figures were off the scale.
It was absolutely colossal.
And the streets of London were shut.
Not with, you know, screaming, chanting, aggressive people, but with people generating the very perceptual energy way of looking at the world that is actually going to turn this around, because we are going to turn this around.
We're going to have a very challenging period through 2021, autumn, winter, fall, winter, and into 2022, and that whole period then.
But we will bring this down.
And what's happened now in Britain is this colossal movement of people through the streets of London.
Colossal. Very large numbers of people, far greater numbers than that, who didn't actually make the march, but support that and have reached this conclusion.
This is not going to end, is it?
It's not meant to end, is it?
No, no, I've been saying that from the start.
What's happened is this has forced the UK government to start talking about reopening everything on July the 19th.
Reopening, from their point of view, as little as they have to, to proclaim public opinion, because they're now seeing this pushback.
And more than that, more and more people are simply just not going with it anymore.
They're just not doing it. They're just not following the regulations.
And so what we're now seeing is the The way that, you know, I've been saying this from the start, the answer is dead simple.
The best part of 8 billion people being imposed upon, a relative handful doing the imposing.
I mean, there's the answer.
You know, when the protests started in Britain, I can speak for Britain, in the spring of 2020, I mean, you...
You couldn't get a handful of people, really, to go out there and protest.
And when they did, the police were straight in because they were so small in number.
Now, hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people are walking through the London streets and the police are just standing there.
Of course, there's nothing they can do.
There's too many people.
And that dynamic is the answer staring us in the face.
The greatest way to bring this down is the power of no.
The power of non-cooperation.
But is that, David, is that an illusion as well that the people are taking back control?
The fact that, you know, they're allowed to go out there and then all of a sudden reined in again and say, oh, you can't go out again.
There's another shutdown. And they go out and then they come back in.
Do you believe that that is part of their plan to get people to think that they do have freedoms and that they're exerting their freedom, They're not.
That there's people out there that already have the wheels in motion to eliminate our freedom.
Well, it's being streetwise, and it's looking at what is happening now, but it's also looking at what's planned to happen.
I did a video on my website this week, which was basically saying something similar to what you've just said, which is putting pressure on governments to roll back these restrictions.
In the middle of summer, When the restrictions shouldn't be there, even if there was a virus, is something to note in that if you have enough people who say we're not having it, then you start to dilute the ability of people to make you have it.
Okay. So what these marches are having an effect is But the point I was making in this video is that this is temporary.
It's like you've got a steam engine and it's about to blow, and you know it's about to blow in terms of public reaction.
Because like I say, it's not just the people on the streets.
It's the people who are now just not bothering to follow the regulations anymore.
And so you need to take the steam out And give people a bit of a respite.
Because your plan in the autumn fall is to kick it back in massively.
And what I'm saying to the people who are pushing back and the marchers and people who have started to say, I've just done enough of this.
I'm not doing it anymore. You can't just think you've won.
When the government rolls back regulations in this country, it looks like it's going to happen unless they found another excuse.
On July the 19th.
It's no good thinking, okay, now we don't have to do it like we did before.
There's another march in London on the 24th of July, just after this day when they're supposed to roll this back.
They're calling it Freedom Day.
Freedom Day. Well, the government's giving me freedom.
That's not the dynamic, actually.
Correct, correct. So what I'm saying is that this March, on the 24th of July, after apparently, if you believe all the leaks coming out of the government, they are going to roll back a lot of these restrictions, needs to be bigger than the last one.
Because we need to keep this pressure on.
And when they try to kick it back in, and my God, they're going to be throwing the bath, the sink, the plug, everything at us in the fall, winter.
We don't allow ourselves to get pulled back in to obeying their fascism.
Okay? This is a line in the sand.
We are not doing it.
And that means we're not doing it ongoing.
We're not going to not do it for a while and they roll things back and, oh, yeah, we're kind of back to something like normal.
It's not really normal, but it seems like normal because it's so, you know, different to all the days of restrictions and all that stuff.
So, oh, yeah, well, this is good.
Yeah, well, it is good. Compared with what we've been through, but they're going to kick it back in.
And that's the point where we're going to see how many people really are going to stand out for freedom and how many are not, because that's the decision to make there.
Are we going to allow ourselves to go back in and start obeying again when we've had this period of not doing so?
Or are we going to say no?
Line in the sand. Line in the sand.
We're not doing it.
And we're not doing it no matter what excuse you make, what you throw at us, what consequences you say we're going to have.
We're not doing it.
Because we've got to understand that the consequences of conceding to this, of complying to this, Far, far worse than not comply.
Far, far worse. Because what their ace card coming up is through this fall winter is the effects of the fake vaccines.
You know, we've seen, although it's been covered up by the media and covered up by government, of course it has, there's absolutely catastrophic numbers of people.
who have died from this fake vaccine and had very serious life-changing adverse effects.
Yeah, yeah.
This is just the start.
This is a fake vaccine that's putting synthetic genetic material,
self-replicating synthetic genetic material into a biological body.
And every hour, hour by hour, that self-replication is impacting on more and more of the cellular structure of the body.
So as it goes along, especially when we hit the winter period, there are going to be massive consequences ongoing through 2022 and onwards.
And they're going to use this because they obviously...
I'm not going to say people are dying because of the vaccines we told them to have.
They're going to have to cover it up with something else.
And it will be variants.
And ironically, it will be variants that are clear.
Oh, no, it's a variant that's not responding to the original fake vaccine.
So here's another fake vaccine for this variant.
And, you know, in Britain now, the government's already announced that in September, the autumn, They're going to start giving a third fake vaccine to the population, a so-called booster.
And you're going to probably see flu being brought back and just disappeared in the COVID era by re-designation as another excuse for why people are dying in large numbers.
And, crucially, coming around to what I was talking about, they've already started.
They're going to blame the people that have refused the fake vaccine for all the deaths and illness of the fake vaccine.
And it's already started.
Yeah, I was just visiting.
I mentioned to you that I was on vacation last week, and I met with a friend who I have known since my second year of college.
And she was telling me, and she didn't know my position.
I didn't know her position.
And she had the virus, and then she had the shot.
And within a two-week period, she had what looked like a stroke, signs of a stroke.
And she went to the hospital.
They told her she had Bell's palsy, but she said that it was not, that there was no way that she had that, and that they ruled out a stroke.
But when she said, no, this is directly associated with the shot, I want it reported, the hospital refused to report it.
So this is what we're seeing.
And this is from a friend.
I mean, she didn't know what my position was whatsoever.
And she probably would have been against my position prior to that.
But because it happened to her, now she's taking note of what you're saying, what I'm saying, what other people are saying, and are now serious about, okay, what now?
And people are just doing things wrong.
Whatever they're being told by the media.
And so, when you talk about, and before you've said, do not acquiesce, you know, make sure that we do not comply by what we're being asked to do.
And what's happening is that they've taken away our freedoms, and so they, like, released a little bit at a time, and then people are beginning to become complacent again.
So as I mentioned, we just celebrated the 4th of July, and as I'm watching all the fireworks, because last year we didn't have fireworks, and not that fireworks equate freedom, but that's what we do to celebrate.
I don't know if you've ever, if there is a holiday where you guys use fireworks, but that is like what we use for That symbolism.
And as I was sitting there going, I hope people don't think just because they took it away last year and now we have fireworks that somehow everything's okay.
And there's a song by Lee Greenwood that says our flag still stands for freedom.
And they can't take that away, but they have.
They have taken it away.
And so by what you're saying...
How do we prepare?
Because the last time I had Harry Box and he was talking about the next scenario that they're doing, which is a complete blackout.
What do you have to say about that?
Because what the reason was is that because there's going to be so much happening, they don't want us to communicate with one another.
What is your opinion about that?
Well, yeah, exactly that.
I mean, I said a few minutes ago, they're going to throw the bath in the sink and the plug at us, and they are, because they're trying to break the spirit of the population.
This is why I'm emphasizing as much as I can to people that you don't drop your guard.
We are putting pressure on the government in this country to roll back these things, but the plan is that they kick them back on the grounds of We've made up excuses where there are effects and or manipulation of figures to give the impression that we're all going to die.
And therefore, they have to kick it back in.
They don't really. I mean, you saw us.
I mean, we opened up, didn't we?
We were very happy that this was going to all end.
But, you know, look at what's happening.
Not do anything. It's so unbelievably predictable.
But, you know, you mentioned there, you know, they've taken our freedom away.
They haven't, you know. We've given it to them.
Yes, yes. That's how it works.
Yes. Fascism is not imposed by fascists.
There's never enough of them.
Fascism is imposed by the population acquiescent fascism.
That's how it works.
Happens with communism, any tyranny.
It's always the same.
You've got a vast population acquiesces to the tiny few and the tiny few then dominate and dictate to the vast population.
And, you know, I do think that we have to see what is happening From a much bigger perspective, you know, you can see it as this COVID hoax and how these things are being imposed, justified by the hoax and how they plan this and they plan this and they plan the other.
But it's kind of much bigger than that, in the sense that this is a situation where two states, well, obviously there's many subtleties between it, but we keep it simple.
There's two states of consciousness.
That are looking each other in the eye.
One is the psychopathic consciousness, which I call the global cult, which has no compassion and no empathy and has no emotional consequence, no matter what the horrors it imposes.
And then you've got a section of the population that is getting bigger.
But it's coming from a very different state of consciousness.
It wants freedom. It wants peace.
It wants harmony. It wants self-respect.
It wants respect for others.
It wants people to be able to live their lives as they see fit, so long as they don't impose it on anyone else.
And they want a world of love and of joy and of...
Well, this extraordinary thing that we seem to have forgot about, which is happiness, contentment, being joyful about being alive.
And one of the great things about these London marches, and it will be the same around the world, but I've experienced that, is that that's the energy of these marches.
They're not, you know, saying, kill the enemy.
It's about laughter.
It's about joy. It's about respect.
But it's a fierce determination not to concede.
And so you've got these two states of consciousness.
And it's a question of, you know...
Whether that which wants joy and peace and all the things we would like the world to be are going to have the determination and the unbending will not to concede the world that they want to these psychopaths.
Because there's going to be a lot of intimidation and a lot of pressure and they're going to turn the fast asleep population against the awakening population.
So this is really a time for us to decide how badly we want to be free and how badly we want our children to be free and our grandchildren.
And I think, you know, that Like I say, this is much bigger than...
The COVID era is a focus of so much.
For instance, you know, these people have put themselves on public display now to anyone that has the mind to see.
But this manipulation of human society has been going on as long as human history is known.
Look at every culture, every era, every religious setting.
It's always the few dictating to the many.
Always. It's always like that.
Because there are common themes that make it like that.
And the common theme is that the many give their power away to the few.
And they give their power away to the few in vast amounts because they are in fear of the consequences of not doing so.
And so when we look at the situation we're in now, it's not just this one situation.
First of all, while it's an enormous danger to freedom and all the things we would like the world to be, it's also a fantastic opportunity.
To rid this human family, this human society, of this incessant manipulation that's not new, it's just got more extreme now, and it's come more out into the open now.
But it's been going on throughout known human history as they've gathered more and more power at the centre, what we call globalisation.
This is all this global cult, centralising power in every area of our lives.
And so we're But it's been like background manipulation to most people.
It's been peripheral vision manipulation.
You know, people have been in the five senses and they're focused on their own lives and where they want to go.
It's all quite understandable.
And they haven't seen that actually while they're thinking they're making their own decisions and the world's going in this direction or whatever by random chance because of the way people just, you know, behave.
In the peripheral vision, It has been this cult directing that direction of human society to more and more and more centralization of powers.
And the more you centralize power, the more the few have power over the many.
It's very simple. That's why centralization of power is absolutely the heart of all of this.
The COVID era has massively centralized power.
So you've got a situation now Where it's come to a head, basically.
Yeah. It's come to a head and it's come out of the peripheral vision and it's become, for anyone who's got eyes to see, it's come out of the peripheral vision and it's been put in front of our face, which it had to be because when you are trying to transform a society into something very different, which is what they're doing, it's what The Great Reset's all about, there comes a point where you have to break the surface.
And actually start to do it.
You've been doing it, manipulating, you know, under the radar.
But there comes a point where you have to break the surface because you can't change society unless you do.
And we're at that point now.
And it's a dangerous point for those that are trying to do it because they can't hide anymore like they did before.
Yeah. And this is what all the mass censorship is about, to try to keep from people, as many people as possible, actually what is going on.
And so if you look at that, this is a wonderful opportunity on a much bigger scale than just the COVID hoax, to rid And to rid the human family of this psychopathic, satanic manipulation that's been going on all the way through.
Totally, totally agree. I have stated from the beginning that I do not believe this is Democrat, Republican, socialist, you know, this is good versus evil.
And I've maintained that the whole entire time this has been going on and I'm waking up to these truths.
One of the things that I, as a coach and someone that truly has looked at the brain and how it functions and studied it, I have been amazed how collectively we can do great things with like-mindedness.
When you're talking about happiness, when you're talking about peace and joy and harmony, we can combine ourselves together collectively and With that belief, create something different and new.
However, what I'm seeing is all this fear, not just about the shot, not just about the virus, but what could happen if you've had the shot.
What could happen?
And so now, instead of focusing on, let's assert our freedom.
This is our God-given right.
Now we're focusing on what could go wrong for the people that have followed the narrative.
I don't know if I'm asking.
I just want to make sure that my question is understood and at the same way safe from being zinged again and put in jail for speaking truths.
But what I'm trying to say is I love the collective thought.
However, even people that are focused on the goodness and all of that have been bombarded with what you can lose when people have taken the shot.
And now, instead of focusing on the goodness, we're focusing on what could happen wrong again.
Yeah, yeah.
But you see, I think the key word In every situation is balance.
And you can focus on just the way you'd want things to be, how you'd like the world to be, and that's fine, and that we should do that.
But there's nothing more manipulatable than genuineness that isn't streetwise.
So at the same time, we need to be streetwise on how the manipulation works and what the plan is.
And at the same time, do it not from a point of view of...
Of low vibrational reaction.
Okay. Come from an eye vibrational state.
I mean, you know, I look at these psychopaths and these evil people.
Evil for me is just a way of saying the absence of love.
And you can see the horrendous things that these people do and have done throughout human history.
But I don't hate a single one of them.
True. If I hate them, I become them.
That's right. So I can expose them without getting pulled into the hatred that would basically connect me to them.
But at the same time, you can't just...
And focus on how you'd like things to be.
You've also got to be aware of the manipulation going on to stop things being as you would like them to be.
I'll tell you a story. Over the last 30 years, 31 years now that I've been doing this, and through the 1990s when they had what they called the New Age Movement, They were some of my fiercest critics, because what they were saying was that you can't talk about this conspiracy because it's negative.
I heard that so many times.
Yeah, yeah. You'll bring people into fear.
And I used to say to them, but you're the people telling people to let go of fear.
You tell me how knowledge is negative.
Knowledge is not negative.
Knowledge is just knowledge.
It's how you receive it that is positive or negative.
So you hear something you don't like and you can say, oh, that's horrible.
That's, you know, that's put me into fear.
Well, you've decided that.
Okay. You've decided that.
Other people will say, thank you.
I don't like what I'm hearing, but I'm much more streetwise and knowledgeable now about what the hell is going on.
So if I can understand how the game is being played, I've got a much better chance of not being consumed by the game.
See, this is the point.
It's not the giver.
It's the receiver that is in control.
You know, I can say things.
I mean, look at what people have said about me over the years.
You know, I should be a nervous wreck.
I should be in some home somewhere with the abuse and ridicule I've had.
I didn't receive it in a way that I processed it into, oh my God, how can people say that about me?
Oh my God, oh God, you know, give me the pills.
Okay, you say that about me.
Okay, thanks for sharing that with me.
I'll see you later. All the best. Because I didn't receive it in the way it was given.
And therefore, it didn't affect me in the way it was meant to affect me in the way that it was given and by those who were giving it.
So we can look at the revelations that are coming out about what's happening in the world and we can say, oh my god, that's terrible!
Or we can say, fantastic!
At last! At last!
We know why this has been happening and that's been happening and why they get us to do this!
It's knowledge and knowledge is power if it is used.
You know, I hear this phrase, knowledge is power.
No, it's not. No, it's not.
The use of knowledge is power.
Yes. Having knowledge and not using it, you might as well not have it.
Yes. Which is why those people in this COVID era who have been able to see some of what's going on, And why they want the masks and why they want the social distancing, why they want the fake vaccine and all that, but then still have it and still obey it and go along with it.
That's just extraordinary.
So what do you suggest that they do?
Knowledge, but you're not using it.
You've got the knowledge, but you're still conceding your freedom.
Totally. Totally agree. Totally agree.
So, you know, there's another saying that says, time heals all wounds.
And I say, time heals nothing is what you do with the time that is important.
And that's what I'm hearing you say.
So, we hear this information.
We say, now this makes sense.
Now what? Where do we take it?
And is that where we say, we're not going to take it anymore?
And we make those changes.
Yeah, you see, people think...
That to change something, you've got to do something about it.
Now, maybe, you know, there are occasions when that is true.
But the situation we're facing, it's not about doing.
It's about not doing.
It's the not doing that will bring this down.
When a politician comes out or some dark suit medical bureaucrat and said, you know, this is what's going to happen.
If enough of the population say we're not doing it, that guy's got no power at all.
It's just one bloke.
Add them all together, there's still a handful compared with the numbers in the population.
It's the power of no that's going to bring this down.
But also more than that, I said earlier that, you know, this is much bigger than just the COVID hoax.
And it's much bigger than the Five Sense Mind.
You know, you see...
If you look at the foundation of the way that humanity has been controlled over the centuries and all these different eras, it's the same theme.
And it is to hold people in a focus of attention that basically processes reality, perceives reality.
Through the five senses.
Kind of touch it, see it, hear it, and all that stuff.
Taste it. Then it must exist.
Basically, the whole of mainstream science is based on that.
For a reason. Because they don't want mainstream science going off in the directions of the fact that actually that's just one level of us.
They need to tell the population that five sense level of you is what you are.
And what you perceive through the five senses is how things are.
And so they have to give us labels.
They have to not only hold us in a five cents point of attention, they have to give that attention labels.
What I call the phantom self.
You know, you say to anyone, nice to meet you, who are you?
And they'll give you their labels.
The labels of the five cents experience, not the I, just the labels of the five cents experience.
They'll give you their name, they'll give you their job, They'll give you their, probably, location and place of birth I come from.
They might, these days, give you their sexuality, not that I really need to know.
And they might give you their religion, whatever.
But what they're telling you is who they are is this series of labels.
That's not who they are. That's what they're experiencing.
In a very brief experience called human.
And the real I, the true I, is consciousness.
Expanded consciousness.
We are a point of attention within an infinite flow of consciousness.
A unique point of attention, which is why we need to celebrate our uniqueness as well as acknowledge that we're part of an infinite whole.
But the The point is that if they can pull you into five senses of tension, what does the five senses see?
Because of the way the body decodes information, decodes frequencies, it only decodes information within a certain tiny band of frequency that relates basically to what we call form, holographic form, I would call it. So when I'm looking at You know, into the world.
I see people.
I see houses.
I see cars. I see trees.
And I see empty space between them.
Because all my five senses, particularly my sight senses, are decoding into a perception of reality is the form frequency band.
But if we could go deeper into the frequency band, We would then realize that actually there's a field of energy, fields of energy, that's connecting everything.
And that actually we are part of an infinite whole.
And that's beyond the labels.
It's beyond the five cents world of the form and empty space between it.
Now you can see that everything is actually connected.
When we use this phrase, we are all one, it's not a trite spiritual kind of line.
It's describing the way it works.
It's actually describing physics at that level, in the way that everything is connected.
This is where all these things like the so-called paranormal senses of Sensing something that you shouldn't really think you'd be able to sense, of knowing something's going to happen before it happens and it happens.
All these so-called sixth sense abilities have come through this field.
And so the idea of...
And the whole foundation of the conspiracy is to focus our attention only in the five senses.
So that's the narrow little bubble world that we perceive to be not only the reality we are experiencing, but us.
And if you look at what is planned to happen in the coming winter months and into 2022, And you're living your life, even if you are kind of awake to an extent to what's going on, if you're living your life as a phantom self, then it's going to be very, very difficult because of what you're going to see and what people are going to be experiencing.
But if you can change your self-identity, transform your self-identity, From the five sense mind alone, to the label self, the phantom self, to I am the consciousness having that experience.
And when this experience is over, my consciousness will withdraw from that experience.
Information processing system we call human through the body.
And I will explore infinity and infinite possibility forever because that's what we are.
I mean, that's as bad as it gets.
And if we lose perspective Of that while we're in a human life.
And that's the whole idea of the cult, to disconnect five sense mind from the greater self.
So that once you're in a five sense only focus, where are you going to get your fix on reality and your fix on self from?
From information coming to the senses, from the world of the senses, i.e.
the media, social media and Silicon Valley, etc., government statements.
That's how people are forming their realities.
That's why they form such...
Skewed realities in the COVID era based on government statements and claims.
But when you break out of that and the five cents level of you becomes the experiential level but not the only level, you're now accessing levels of your consciousness.
That can see beyond the five senses.
The five senses can only see dots.
You can't see pictures. You can't see patterns.
It sees dots. Expanded awareness sees how the dots connect because now it's seeing patterns.
It's not seeing pixels like the five senses.
It's seeing pictures.
And thus it can see things that the five senses cannot see.
And this is what we call awakening.
This is the true awakening.
Not just awakening to, oh, the COVID era is a scam.
Which it is. But the bigger awakening, which is re-evaluating the nature of the eye and actually the nature of the world we're experiencing and how it works and how we interact with it, how we can affect it and how it's affecting us.
And so if you go through that level of awakening, which is...
Massively as a result of opening your heart, your spiritual heart, the heart vortex, then everything changes.
Suddenly you start to see the world in much more expansive terms.
And that's what's happening with the awakening.
You know, these people marching down the streets of London have not just...
Massive numbers of them because they come up to me.
They talk to me as I'm walking with them all the time.
I mean, it's unbelievable.
I've hugged so many people and I've never had a sniffle.
I think there might be some more to know about this COVID hoax myself.
But they're not just awakening to this names, dates, places level.
Of the scan. They're awakening to something greater.
And that's why you feel this love and this joy and this happiness and this respect as you're walking with them.
Because this is the energy that's going to turn this around.
I love it. And so there's one other thing about this.
Why do people conceive their uniqueness...
To authority. It's because the fear...
Well, some because they just believe authority because that's what they've been programmed to do.
I mean, the whole education system from cradle to...
through the education system and then through adulthood to the grave is about obeying authority.
Yes. But it's also about fearing...
Not obeying authority.
How many people have said, I don't want to wear a mask, but I'm better because what's the consequences of not doing so?
Correct. I don't want to have this vaccine, but what's the consequences of not doing so?
This is what goes on.
Now, that's a five-sense reaction.
It's seeing things in the here and now and This is what the consequences are for me.
And if you list the consequences or the perceived consequences for yourself of doing what you know to be right, like I know what these masks are for, I know about their psychological and health Yeah, and I won't comply.
Correct. So I'm not doing it.
You know that's the right thing to do.
But then you list the consequences for yourself of doing the right thing.
And you will eventually, the list will be long enough for you to say, yeah, I know what's the right thing to do, but I can't do it because what are the consequences?
Now, that's the five cents response.
When you...
Re-evaluate and self-identify with being this infinite state of awareness, having a brief human experience, and you open your heart to the true level of love, not the love of attraction, just, you know, it's all very nice, but I mean, the true infinite love.
The love that is basically the infinite reality.
We've just been systematically disconnected from that by being focused in the five senses and having this shut down.
But when you open it and you become one with infinity again, then there's...
There's only love, basically.
The one time I've taken ayahuasca in 2003, I went in this altered state for five hours.
And it was extraordinary.
I mean, it was extraordinary.
This female voice, as loud as mine is now, was describing the illusory nature of reality.
But I'll never forget, when the voice kicked in, when I went into this altered state, it said, first of all, we're going to take you to where you come from and to where you shall return.
And I went to a place of such...
Blissful love, all-encompassing love, that it was like nothing that you would experience in the five senses alone.
But then the next line was, there's only one thing you really need to know.
Infinite love is the only truth.
Everything else is illusion.
And then it repeated it.
Infinite love is the only truth.
Everything else is illusion.
And we are living in a manipulated five sense illusion.
That is designed to disconnect us from that infinite state of love.
And when you open your heart and you re-designate the nature of self-identity, I am that infinite love.
I am a point of attention within infinite reality.
Everything changes, and the key thing that changes is this.
Love, expanded awareness, knows there's nothing to fear.
It knows there's nothing to fear.
It knows that fear is not a reality, it's a perception.
Perception, this cult's constantly trying to get people to take on board and believe in it.
And so when you get to this point, and anyone can do it, this is not someone sitting cross-legged on a mountain like, you know, the Buddha.
It's like you said, it's a choice.
It's a choice based on magic.
Yes. It's that natural state.
But once you get into that state, one thing happens.
You stop listing consequences for what you know to be right.
Right. You just do it.
And this is going to be absolutely vital in the challenges to come, which is why I was talking earlier about saying to people, yeah, okay, they're planning to roll these back a little bit, take the steam out of it because of the pushback and the numbers.
But they want to kick it back in.
And that's when we're going to find out who wants freedom and who doesn't.
When they kick it back in, do we go back to compliance or not?
That's the question. Because that decides where we go.
But once you open that, you do what you know to be right.
So I can see why you want me to wear a mask.
I see why you want the kids to wear a mask.
Not doing it. I can see why you want to do this, want to do that.
Not doing it. Not doing it.
We'll do this, we'll do that.
Sorry, you know my list of consequences?
Look, blank.
So do what you like. Do what you like.
Get me with what you like.
I hate doing it!
See, once you realize that the nature of the I, the true I, is infinite.
It's eternal. And this is just a brief experience.
Well, it's a different way of looking at it.
This is just a brief experience.
There'll be another one along eventually.
And so, do you think in this brief experience, I'm going to concede the enormity of what I am, the enormity of what I'm part of, To a prat of a politician or some dumpster, a psychopath in a dark suit.
Do you think I'm going to do that? Naboo!
Under no circumstances am I going to do that.
I get it. I get it.
Enough people do that.
The house of cards comes down.
And I would love for people to rise above.
Do it anyway. I mean, I got so much flack for not wearing a mask.
I got so much flack for taking a stand as I have.
But you know what? I sleep well at night knowing that I did it anyway.
You have to do it. I get what you're saying.
You do it because it's the right thing to do, not the easy thing to do because it's the right thing.
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We have lots of questions for you.
Do you have time to answer some of these questions?
How are we doing? We can take some.
Yeah, I would just say, you know, you can break things down into the very Very simple truths that underpin them because so much of what we call complexity is just hiding the sparkling truth behind it.
And the simple The difference between these states of consciousness that I talked about is two words, connection and separation.
That's the foundation of it.
When you open your heart and you open your mind, imagine your mind is a closed bubble.
And therefore, you're perceiving only with the consciousness that was in that bubble, being directly manipulated by the information sources within that bubble.
And then, outside the bubble, shouting, I'm here, whenever you want me, is expanded awareness.
And so you talk about...
Open your mind.
What are you opening your mind to?
You're opening your mind to consciousness beyond the confines of the five sense mind.
And so when you're in the five sense mind, you're in a state of separation.
Because you're perceiving everything as part of everything else.
True. You're perceiving that the world you're seeing in the space you're looking at is all there is that exists in that space when it's only a tiny band of frequency, like a radio station or television station.
But when you open your mind, and what is opening your mind?
It's opening your mind to all possibility.
It's not saying, I'm going to believe anything anyone tells me.
That's what happens when you're in 5% state.
But it says, I'm going to be open to all possibility.
And I'm going to see which possibility shows itself to have the credibility for me to think, yeah, I think this is what's happening.
Rather than You've got the five-sense mind that says, only what I can perceive here can be happening.
Can I see it, touch it, taste it, hear it?
Okay, it exists then.
And anything outside of there, it's called the paranormal.
Actually, perfectly normal, but it's paranormal because it's not normal to this.
And when you open your mind to all possibility, then so many other possibilities for what you perceived to be was one possibility, Start to become available to you.
And you realize actually there are many other ways of looking at the same thing.
And what you said a few minutes ago, a very good phrase about...
When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.
Max Planck. That's exactly right.
And when you open your mind and you open your heart, what you're doing is looking at something in a different way.
You're looking at everything in a different way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's...
You see it in a different way and you realize that what you thought was the only truth of the five senses actually has many, many other possibilities.
And that's the thing, because once you do that, you cease to be separated and you become connected.
You become one with all that is, as opposed to be isolated from all that is, and everything changes.
Now, if you were a global cult and you were trying to control human society, do you want people in that mode?
Or do you want people in that mode?
It totally makes sense.
It totally makes sense why we're being separated.
Exactly. The whole foundation...
Of this global cult's modus operandi is separation of five sense mind from expanded awareness.
And this is what the plan as they're now openly talking about to connect the human brain to AI is all about.
It's to use AI to feed us our perceptions.
And only five sense level perceptions to through technology create this and maintain this state of separation.
So what's the answer?
Well, the answer is to remove the cause of the problem.
The cause of the problem is separation.
And the answer to the problem has to be removing the cause of the problem, which is to remove the separation.
And that means bursting the bubble and seeing that what you thought was you It's a tiny, tiny fraction of the true infinite you.
Wow. I mean, I have so many.
We only have two minutes in the podcast before we go on to the teacher's pet corner.
Hopefully you can stick around and answer some of the questions that we have.
David, this is fascinating.
A different perspective of how we are going to be able to break The pattern that we're seeing.
And so I want to thank you again, davideich.com.
Please stay tuned. I know that we have lots of questions for David.
So if David will be able to stay with us once we're done with the podcast and we can continue the conversation with him, that would be wonderful.
David, last minute.
We've got one minute. What would you say if somebody were to walk in right now and say, what is this about?
What would you tell them? How to face this future of uncertainty?
Uncertainty is the natural state of things because we are living within an infinite field of all possibility and all potential.
So, you know, as you explore that all possibility and all potential, things change.
The question is, do they change for the better or do they not?
And that's our choice.
And it's time to make that choice.
And not only make the choice of the world we want, but refuse to accept anything other than the world we want.
I like that. We say no to those that want to control us.
Because if we do in enough numbers, they can't control us.
It's simple. We are the power.
We are the power. You see, just very quickly before we leave, you know, people think authority has power.
Because they only see one part of the feedback loop of authority imposing power on the population.
What they don't see is that part of the feedback loop, which is the power coming this way, is the power that went that way before.
I love it. Which we give away.
We do it with acquiescence.
We do it with obeying things we know we shouldn't obey.
Again, doing what you know to be right.
Oh, what's the consequences? Oh, we better not do them.
And once we realise that the power of authority is the power we give to ourselves, I love it.
And we're going to continue our conversation, so hold tight.
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Awesome. Awesome.
Great perspective, David.
We have lots of questions here.
Do you have the time to answer some of them?
Yeah, I've got about 15 minutes.
15 minutes! Let's see how many questions we can answer in 15 minutes.
Okay, so cyber...
Two answers. Yeah, the cyber thing that's...
I don't want to say it because she spelt it P-O-L-1-G-O-N. Okay, it's said to be happening on July, on the 9th for first try-ons.
Will it be used just on the U.S. or the entire world?
Do you know what she's asking?
Well, you know, you can chase the dates, if you like, but the thing for me is, at some point, is it planned to do?
And I have no doubt that it is.
See, what they've done is systematically put everything on the internet.
This has been done on purpose, because while you still have media that is non-internet media, You still have something that cannot necessarily be 100% controlled.
So you can have a debate in a newsroom and a newspaper, for instance, about whether something goes in or not.
And at least there's some kind of debate going on.
Not that there's a lot of that going on in the newspapers these days because it's got to that extreme.
But you know what I mean? When you have diversity in the media and you have humans being involved in it, Then there can be some debate and there can be some pushback and you can get, you know, stories in there that the cult maybe don't want or absolutely don't want.
But if you can get everything on the internet, Are we seeing this or not?
You've got algorithms that can censor just using words that you use.
That's what they do. So to get everything on the Internet is to control information.
And indeed, it's to control everything.
And you'll notice something else, that they're pushing everything in the direction of electricity.
In cars, electric cars, electric everything.
Everything's electric because it needs to be connected to an electrical digital system that we call the Internet, the Internet of Things and, you know, eventually the Internet of Everything, which is including the AI connection to humans.
And so what that gives you, like, for instance, if the electricity went down here in my flat, I could cook a meal on the gas.
As everything moves to electrical, electrical, electrical, electrical, they have a one-switch control system, which can switch off everything.
So if the grid went down, then the internet goes down, communication goes down, banking goes down.
Food delivery production goes down.
The water goes down, which needs electricity to operate through the system.
So they've done it systematically by focusing everything in a very small area that they can have control of.
So, for instance, very quickly with the internet and the Silicon Valley internet corporations, they set out To create internet dependency.
So when they launch the internet, the reason the technology on which it's based, it's claimed by DARPA, the technological development arm of the Pentagon, that they create the internet.
And along came the World Wide Web and all that.
And then along came these corporations like Facebook and Google and YouTube, etc.
And whether it's the internet or these corporations, in those early days, there was no censorship.
Do you remember that? You could say what you bloody liked and people loved it.
So all the attention and everything moved on the internet.
Oh, this is great. This is...
But the idea all along was once they created dependency on the internet, so the internet was the central pillar of human society, which is what it is now, and these internet giants like Facebook and so on and Google were near monopolies on that internet, then they had the power to start the censorship.
And that's what's gone on and got more and more extreme.
And there'll come a point No doubt, as the pushback moves forward, where they will not want communication and they'll want a situation where, when they're trying to move something very substantial in terms of societal change, They won't want people communicating.
They'll want a blackout. And because of the nature of the electricity-dependent internet, they have a kill switch which can just stop that communication.
I'm sure that's in the agenda.
And also, they have a financial system Which has been built up over a long period of time and has given them enormous control over people's lives through control of money, finance, who has it and who doesn't.
But the Great Reset wants total and utter control.
And if you have independent businesses and independent employment, That's not dependent on these people, then you're not going to get total control of the population, the total control of them financially, and whether they survive or not financially, whether they eat or whatever.
So what you have to do is you have to destroy the independent businesses and independent employment.
So they're completely dependent on you.
That's the reason for lockdown.
That's why they brought that in.
It's nothing to do with health.
And in the same way, if you've got money kind of saved up, you have a form of independence in that you don't have to concede yourself to what they plan, which is the guaranteed income, which is going to be next to nothing.
And everyone will get it as long as they do as they're told.
If they don't, they won't get it.
That's the plan. Once they've destroyed the independent livelihoods, if we allow them to do it.
And they've destroyed a lot, of course.
But if you've built up money in that, quote, bank, then you're still not dependent on them.
You don't need their guarantee. But what do you call the bank?
Well, a bank online.
Yeah, you do. And that's where your money exists, in theory, in a digital form, dependent on electricity.
And this is where the cyber attacks and stuff come in.
You see more and more of these cyber attacks.
This is not happening by accident.
It's happening because the plan in the end is to do a massive hack on the banking system and use that to take down people's Savings, what they have in the bank.
And then the people that have been behind that, and I've quoted their own documents and their own people in my books over the years saying exactly this, that the plan is that they will destroy the financial system in these and other ways that I'm talking about, and then the people that have done it will come forward as the saviours.
Oh, well, you know, because of course...
They create the problem and they make the solution.
Yes. They'll come forward as the saviors of the situation.
Oh, look, it's a terrible state.
But, you know, you do this and, you know, we'll do this.
And one of the you do this, we'll do this is, is to say we will write off all debt So long as you hand over all your possessions.
So your home is no longer yours.
And from now on, you will rent it from us.
When you've got this BlackRock organization and these other financial institutions buying up whole fricking neighborhoods of houses, which is pushing house prices up, not least in America, and here, but in America massively, at a time when you look at the state of the economy because of the COVID era, where house prices should be falling.
There shouldn't be a market for house buying at the moment.
But there is, and these corporations are not only buying up great swathes of homes, They're competing financially to buy them, and the prices are going up, making it impossible for people to buy a home.
And that's the idea, because it's been about books for decades, this.
The idea is to make sure no one owns anything.
So, yeah, there's a lot of things that they've got in the pipeline.
And this is why, you know, we do have to go from a A five cents perspective of everything to a much more expanded appreciation, not over who we are, but the expanded nature of the reality that we're experiencing.
This is just a brief human experience.
And if we get pulled into it, then, you know, things are going to be very challenging.
So how do you say no to that?
How do you say no to them pulling the switch and us not having any electricity?
Because that's what we're talking about in July, that scenario thing that's going to be happening where we don't.
How do you say no to that?
Or do you just perceive it differently?
Well, you perceive it differently.
You have to. If you perceive it the way they want you to perceive it, you'll do what they want you to do.
But They need electricity for their brave new world, so it's going to be temporary, but it's planned to be done so that they can transfer and transform to their new world.
Well, if enough people know that this is the...
If enough people are educated on what could happen, then they'll say no to releasing all their wealth.
Okay, so the next question...
I just want to go and say something else here.
Okay. You know, I think, you know, that the awakening people...
I have to start making their own networks and their own support networks.
You know, simple thing, you know, I live on an island about four miles off the south coast of England, and it's about 150.
45,000 people.
My daughter and others have created groups here of awakening people who can see what's going on and where it's meant to lead.
And they're creating support groups where people mutually support each other.
So if you've got someone in the group who has a certain skill, well, people will go to that person when they need that skill.
And you've got people supporting other people.
If people are in trouble, then the group helps them.
And these are the...
These are the networks that people need to start creating.
It's organically happening anyway, but we're going to need these networks, these support networks of awake people.
How many people are there all over the world?
My God, it's stunning numbers, who are in a house of family.
And they're the only one that's seen it.
And they're getting isolated.
They are getting snubbed.
A number of people I've come across where the whole family's ignoring them.
I won't speak to them anymore because they won't accept the government narrative.
I mean, it's a mental illness.
It really is. And so these support networks mean that People can, in that situation, can come and interact with people who think like they do, who can see what they can see, and they can get this not just physical support, but this emotional, psychological support.
These are the things that need to start to be created, because I know from what's happened here, once those networks are in place, it can move and grow very quickly.
Yeah, yeah. That's a great plan.
That's a great plan. You know, for those of you who know, I have IM99. I haven't done much with IM99, but perhaps maybe we can turn IM99 into a network group so that we can help each other out.
But we have to find each other in the states that we live in so that we can continue, you know, helping each other out, which would be the beautiful thing of coming together this way.
That would be the, out of the five senses way of looking at that, It's that reconnection with humans to help each other out.
Yeah, what you're doing is you're starting...
To build this new society and this new way of interacting, of mutual support and caring and loving and respecting.
It builds out of this and it grows out of this, but it's got to be started.
And it's not just, you know, that would be nice, wouldn't it?
It's going to be essential. It's going to be essential.
And if I would say anything to people and anyone who can afford it, I would say, you know, Look at getting long-life food that hopefully you'll never have to use.
But I would.
Stuff that won't need electricity or whatever.
Because what's happening, this is important, is the container shipping industry alone is being massively manipulated.
It's in chaos. It's in crisis.
I know that from my own experience.
I've just got a new book out called Perceptions of a Renegade Mind.
Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, and what we do when our book comes out is that we ship them to the North America, to America, and then we launch the book all over the world at the same time.
But we've launched Perceptions of a Renegade Mind in this country, in Europe first this time.
For this very reason.
Getting space, a container space on a ship to get the books to America.
They're going to be available in America in early August, I think.
But This is affecting massively food distribution and the production of other things.
And it's on purpose. Yeah, it's on purpose.
Oh, yeah, it's on purpose. First of all, the whole COVID thing threw it into disarray.
But, you know, I'm hearing stories now of a whole container, you know, mountains of containers.
They just shut away. They're not being put into the system.
So what you've got with that is you can't find space to transport your goods, certainly in the period that you want.
But also, same with houses, if the container space is limited, what happens?
The price of the container space goes up.
And I know from ship, you know, we've been shipping books to North America for, you know, decades.
And this shipping perceptions of a renegade mind is is going to be far more expensive than.
In fact, in fact, what was quoted not too long ago.
So so, you know, you talk about a book and all that, apply that to food.
You know, if you're a country which imports vast amounts of food, why would Bill Gates, who has more money than he could spend in 100 lifetimes, why is he now the biggest owner of farmland in America?
To take it out of production.
It's evil. It is just evil.
So that...
What do they say?
There's a phrase that we have in Britain, or we have in America.
If you've got them by the balls, their hearts and mind will follow.
And the best way to do that, symbolically, is to get them in the belly.
And if you can control food and control, you know, access to water and stuff, then you're in a situation of control.
And this, you know, this is why we are going to have a very challenging time.
And this is why we're going to see who really wants freedom and who doesn't.
Absolutely. I'll tell you now, I would rather starve And die in my bed where I'd be very happy to die.
I'm not going too shortly because I've got too much to do.
But when it comes for me to leave this body, I'll be deliriously happy.
I mean, do I want to stay here forever?
I mean, with all that to explore, are you going to laugh?
But I want to do what I came to do and then I'll be very deliriously happy to leave.
But I would rather do that.
I would rather starve than do what they tell me to do.
I won't do it. I agree.
I agree. And so this is why I say how badly we want freedom, how badly we want to stand up to tyranny.
Well, we're going to find out in the period to come.
Absolutely. Do we have time for another question?
One more, yeah. Okay, okay.
Let me see. So the next, I'm just going to go by order.
It's from Michelle. She says, how do you see the role of the grand solar minimum in this agenda?
Well, you see, it's in your face.
That the COVID hoax and the human-caused climate change hoax are completely connected.
Because they both have the same solution, which is centralization of global power imposing itself on the fine detail of people's lives.
There's an interview with an Extinction Rebellion co-founder on my website, DavidIke.com.
It'll blow your bloody mind.
I mean, these people are lunatics.
I mean, they claim to be intellectuals that are trying to save the blood.
They're lunatics. Just listening to this guy, it's unbelievable what he says.
And how he quite accepts that society as we know it today is going to be completely and utterly, utterly devastated and destroyed by what's needed to save the world.
And that's exactly what the global cult wants to happen and what it's creating with the COVID hoax.
And then you have the World Economic Forum with this Nazi.
He is a Nazi by any criteria of definition.
Klaus Schwab, who is, he's written a blog, got it here, it's called The Great Reset, if he wrote it, claims to have written it, somebody else probably did.
And he's talking about the COVID hoax, you can call it the COVID hoax, it's called a COVID crisis, being a window of opportunity to save the world from climate change.
And then you've got Bill Gates.
He took time off from saving the world from the COVID hoax to write a book, publish a book in February this year, if you remember.
And it's all about what we have to do to save the world from climate change.
Both hoaxes are being run by the same people.
And if you look at the United Nations, which is a complete 100% creation of this global cult.
In fact, the building in New York where the UN stands, it stands on land that was given free by the Rockefeller family for the UN building to be built at a time, if you look at its location, Where even by those days' standards, it was worth a phenomenal amount of money.
It was also formally the location of a slaughterhouse, which I think is quite appropriate, really.
Then you look at the World Health Organization, which is an agency of the UN. And that was created by the Rockefellers that gave the land for the UN. And then you look at this in terms of climate change.
What's driven the climate change, the human cause climate change narrative?
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
Who runs that? The United Nations.
And then you say, okay, so you've got Agenda 21.
And Agenda 2030, two agendas that are about completely transforming human society to save the world from climate change.
Basically, that's the big excuse to transform human society, Agenda 21, 2030.
So who's running them?
The UN. So the United Nations is running the global climate change narrative To justify the United Nations, Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, to transform human society in exactly the way that is described as the Great Reset.
And these Green New Deals, you know, run by this, you know, promoted by, you know, Ocasio-Cortez, as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the New York Congresswoman, who, for me, is just a child in a woman's body when you see what she says.
She has nothing to back up anything except rhetoric and woke attitudes.
But she's promoting, as the Biden administration is, this Green New Deal.
It's just plain Marxism.
And centralization of control over the fine detail of people's lives.
There's a European Union version of it.
There's a British version of it.
And they're all the same.
And they're all planning to do the same.
So, and going to the solar minimum, you know, the...
The one thing, it is incredible.
I mean, it's just extraordinary.
I mean, it's a pinch me, ouch.
Oh, it's true. Yeah.
The one thing that the climate extremists never talk about is the impact on the climate of the sun.
The sun's like, no, over there.
Oh, no, it's carbon dioxide.
Oh, you mean the gas of life, without which we'd all be dead?
Mm-hmm. Because there'd be no natural world and no food.
That one. And so it's all CO2. Why?
Because that's the agenda.
They want to target CO2. They want to target and demonize the gas of life.
And, you know, if carbon dioxide reaches a certain level, it's about 187 parts per million or above that even, the natural world starts to die.
Why is it that people that are growing things in greenhouses add carbon dioxide into the greenhouse atmosphere?
It makes the plants grow quicker.
And when you look at the...
They're real experts in CO2 out of some of the universities.
You know they're experts because they're banned and silenced.
They point out that the ideal level of CO2 in the atmosphere, because plants suck it out of the atmosphere, for maximum plant growth, maximum food production is 2,000 parts per million.
And it's currently about...
Just under 420.
And again, it's not just that they're saying that they want zero transmissions of CO2, gasoline. People like Gates are funding technology to suck it out of the atmosphere, to suck carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere that's already there.
So when you look at this global cult, and this is a whole new story, you look at what it's doing, and it's all anti-human, and it's all targeting the very foundations of human existence.
It's very clear.
I go into this in...
Perceptions of a renegade mind.
So if you go through history, you see that when the sun...
Is not generating energy at the potential level it can, because it goes into cycles of high projection of energy, low projection of energy.
And it goes into a low point.
This can be seen by the lack of sunspot activity.
These are massive, massive projections or massive explosions on the sun's surface.
Far, far bigger than the Earth, these explosions.
Sunspots. And that shows that the sun is in an active state of energy projection.
But when you go into what they call a solar minimum, there is virtually no sunspot activity.
And when you follow the trends, that's what's overwhelmingly dictating Earth's temperature.
We had a situation where We had the so-called medieval warm period when temperatures were as high or higher than they are now.
And then we went into a big dip in temperature and it was called the Little Ice Age.
It was a long period and this is still portrayed in things like Christmas cards where they depict people skating on the River Thames in London in Victorian times and before because it was so cold the Thames River froze over every winter and there was a guy Actually, his wife was involved as well.
But he's given credit for it, Maunda.
And he was charting sunspot activity.
And at the point of the lowest temperature period of the Little Ice Age, there was virtually no sunspot activity.
And that's why it's known as the Maunda Minimum.
And then we came out of the Little Ice Age into the 20th century and temperatures started to rise.
Of course they did. We're coming out of the Little Ice Age, for goodness sake.
And so when they say, the bloody con people these are, when they say, oh, it's the hottest day since records began or something.
Well, can you just tell me when records began?
Well, when we were coming out, I said, yes, exactly.
So the comparison's ludicrous.
And they fix the figures like this all the time.
And It's a con, and it's a con to justify the total transformation of human society to save us from something that doesn't exist.
Am I talking about COVID, or am I talking about human cause cannot be changed?
You are amazing.
You're amazing, and I do appreciate everything you do.
We have literally...
A lot of questions.
I would love to have you back just to ask these questions of you.
I would love to have you back.
I'll have Brooke reach out to your son and get you back on here.
I love how you share the information with that much attachment.
It's almost as if you know there's a higher plan and there's a greater plan and you see it.
There is. We know there is.
This is not going to happen.
It's going to go along for a while, a while yet, as if it is.
But there is a plan.
And it's not the QAnon plan.
No. There is a plan.
Are they still around?
Are they still around?
There is a plan from a much higher level of consciousness.
Yeah. That...
To which the global cult with all its power is a fly on an elephant's back.
The thing that puzzles me, and I don't...
Like, what they do to us, they do to themselves.
But do they?
Are they the same as us?
Are they...
Do they need the same things?
Um... Do they have ways of avoiding the consequences of what they're imposing on others?
Yeah, but if they keep up this, they're going to destroy the earth.
Well, what if that's the idea?
Then eventually they'll destroy themselves.
No, they'll move on.
They'll move on. This is a much bigger picture than people think.
But This is the time again many challenges to come and every single one is an experience to take on into infinity which adds to your uniqueness of experience which adds to your uniqueness in your uniqueness of attention within the infinite whole but this is the time eventually that this whole thing comes down and And the kind of society we want will emerge.
And I'm going to do everything I can to be part of that.
Well, I'm going to be part of it.
I'm not going to. Till the wall's coming down.
And then others can take it forward and build a new world.
It's coming down, but it's not going to seem like that for a while.
But hold on, hold that thought.
Hold on to hope. Hold on to hope.
Not even hope. Hope's always something in the future.
You know, maybe.
How about if hold on to that infinite love?
Yeah, it's going to happen.
It's only a matter of when.
Well, thank you so much for your wisdom.
Thank you for sharing this time.
For those of you who are watching right now or maybe watching later on, write your questions down on the subject if you're watching on YouTube.
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I have no idea why it won't let me.
I don't know if I reached a maximum or what, but I just want to encourage you to write your questions down.
Make sure you type in a Q. Write your questions down.
We'll get David back as soon as we possibly can.
And then that's what it's all going to be about.
It's going to be about your questions.
So start asking your questions.
You can email me at lilyatwhenyouneedafriend.com or text me your question at 407-373-5959.
Again, David Icke, I just absolutely love everything that you do.
Go to davideich.com.
You can also go to Iconic.
It's a wonderful...
Do you still have the seven-day free trial?
Because last time you came on... Oh, yes.
Oh, yes. Yeah.
And, you know, it's massively moved on in the last few weeks, even.
There's hundreds and hundreds of documentaries and videos and series.
We've got a weekly series now with my son, Gareth, called Right Now, talking to the people of the week.
And we're getting some really great guests on the show as well.
Whistleblowers. We've had enough of it.
I can't stay silent anymore.
And Right Now is a...
It's a vehicle that they can get their voice heard.
It's fantastic what they've done.
And, you know, my son Jamie started it in 2019, was it?
Yeah. And it's just exploded.
Well, I'm looking forward to being a part of that as well.
So for those of you, again, Send me your questions for the next time that David Icke is back on.
You can text me your question.
You can email me your question.
Or if you've written a question today, I will copy it and I'll put it in for the next time that David Icke is on.
Thank you, David, for your generosity with your time and for the wisdom that you have poured onto us today.
So thank you and thank all of you for joining us.
Go ahead. Were you going to say something?
No, I said thank you, Lillian.
Oh, okay. Thank you.
Okay. We'll see you soon.
Thank you so much, guys. We're going to stop.
Stage one, you create a problem.
It could be a manufactured virus.
You want a reaction and you want them to either say, do something, or you want them to accept what the authorities suggest must be done.
So one of the agendas is to massively cull the population.
They want to reduce the numbers.
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