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May 24, 2021 - David Icke

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David Icke warning in 2018 about the deletion of free speech - pre-empting current events

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	Thanks for doing the podcast.
	No problem. Really appreciate it.
	I wanted to start with a question but actually you've just raised something before we started about freedom of speech and something that happened to you recently and it sounds like it's important to talk about.
	So how do you feel the freedom of speech is for us in society and what do you think is wrong about it and what do you want to change about it?
	Well, I'd like to have some. I think that would be a good start.
	You can say what you want here.
	You see, the thing is that what is freedom of speech?
	It's the freedom to speak.
	So, I read a politician today saying, I agree with freedom of speech, but there are limits.
	Well, there's no freedom of speech then.
	Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak.
	If anyone's not allowed to speak, then it's not freedom of speech, it's freedom to conform to certain parameters of what are acceptable.
	And then what that's doing is giving power to some authority to decide what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.
	And as we see, and we're seeing it massively now, Once you give that power to an authority, it then starts interpreting what can and cannot be said in a way that squeezes and squeezes and squeezes more and more of what cannot be said.
	This is what political correctness is about.
	What is political correctness?
	It's simply manipulating the target population to silence itself so those in authority don't have to.
	It's ridiculous. Now, People say, well, you say that people can say anything.
	Well, yes, I do. And I'll tell you why.
	There are laws against incitement to racism, incitement to hatred, incitement to violence.
	There are laws against that. Are they laws you agree with?
	Yeah. And if people use their freedom of speech to incite those things, Then there are laws to deal with that, and those laws should deal with it.
	What I'm saying is, once you start censoring freedom of speech at the point of delivery, or even more sinister, before the point of delivery, by banning people from the right to have access to the communication networks or speak in public...
	That is what the fascists do.
	What did fascists do in Nazi Germany?
	What does any tyranny do?
	It wants to silence those that are exposing the tyranny and have a different version of events to the tyranny.
	So what did the Nazis do?
	They burnt the books.
	They banned the meetings of people who were exposing the Nazis.
	And now, in this inverted world, we have people who call themselves progressives, and they seem to have this extraordinary self-delusion that that progressive mentality has something to do with being liberal, when it's not.
	It's the opposite of liberal.
	They are the ones that claim to be wanting people to be inclusive and to have diversity.
	But maybe on their terms.
	When they're destroying diversity and they have become the new tyranny.
	They have become the new Nazis.
	That sounds quite a strong thing to say.
	What I'm saying here is...
	Is if you look at what this progressive mentality is doing in silencing people and deciding in their arrogance what people can and cannot say and what opinion they can and cannot have.
	You look at what the Nazis did.
	You look at what the Communist Soviet Union did in terms of freedom of speech.
	And you show me the difference between them.
	There is none. And it's this self-deluded arrogance which goes like this.
	I am right...
	Therefore, anyone who says something different must therefore be wrong.
	And by definition, because they are wrong and I am right, their freedom of speech to be wrong doesn't need to be taken into account.
	That's how the mentality goes.
	What I say is, I don't agree with them.
	I don't agree with them.
	I don't agree with them.
	I do agree with them.
	But I don't want to silence any of them.
	Because are we so immature that we can't hear different opinions?
	Even those we don't like, sits back in amazement, horrified, call the police.
	And make our own judgments on what's being said and the validity of it?
	Do we not have the maturity to put forward another counter-argument which, if we are confident in what we're saying, will demolish that which we don't agree with?
	Anyone that wants to silence people rather than argue their case can't have much confidence in In their own case, surely.
	And once you go down this road of giving authority the right to decide what can be said, what opinions can be had, you are in a tyranny.
	And that's where we're going now. But it's bigger than that.
	Because it's not just political correctness.
	You can't say this, you can't say that, you must say that.
	It's also the fact that Humanity has been hoaxed on a monumental scale in relation to freedom of expression and freedom of information.
	And it's been done out of an area that I call the devil's playground.
	It's better known as Silicon Valley.
	What's happened is, when you do the research...
	Intelligence organizations like the CIA in the United States, the National Security Agency, and the Pentagon through an organization called DARPA, the technological development arm of the Pentagon.
	They began seed funding technology and companies to develop what has become now known as the Internet.
	And an outgrowth of that, what became known as social media, and the search engine technology, which eventually became known as Google, all those were seed funded by this military intelligence network.
	And when they were selling it, because you can't Show something's real face at the start.
	Otherwise people will reject it and it won't get anywhere.
	You have to put another face to the world.
	So it was Google.
	Oh yeah, Google, yeah.
	We just got a search engine.
	We can find what we like.
	That's great. And social media.
	Oh, you post to your friends.
	You can say what you like. There's no censorship.
	Isn't it great? And then it builds.
	And then it builds. And then it builds.
	And now you've reached a point now with Facebook where it claims 2.2 billion active users.
	In a global population of 7.5 billion, you have this 90% monopoly on search engines, searches of Google.
	You have YouTube, which has got basically a monopoly on the posting of internet videos, which is owned by Google.
	And once this monopolistic situation was reached, Then they started saying, OK, now we've got this much control, we're going to start deciding what you see and what you don't see.
	It's fishing line out.
	Oh, it ain't great.
	Yeah, say what you like.
	You know, no censorship.
	Ooh, gotcha.
	And so we now have Facebook that is systematically censoring information outside of the official narrative.
	We have this situation with Facebook and Twitter now, which is known as ghost banning, which they do to me.
	Which is you post it, but all the people that would like to see it, and have liked or followed, would like to see it, they don't see it.
	Only a few of them see it.
	The vast majority don't see it because of ghost banning.
	They just don't circulate it.
	And you now have, as blatant as can be, YouTube is just deleting...
	Large, large and greater all the time numbers of channels that are presenting a different narrative to the official one across the swathe of subjects that are just being deleted.
	They're just being deleted without any explanation.
	Just that you've broken our guidelines.
	What guidelines? Well, he's doing something different.
	Something the same, rather.
	And he's not breaking your guidelines.
	But, oh, hold on a minute. He's saying the official narrative is true.
	And you were going to ask, why is it happening?
	Well, it's happening because I've been talking for 30 years and writing for 30 years.
	There are very few people control the world.
	Very few people. People will be staggered how few.
	How many? Well, I'm going to come to that in terms of it's fewer now than ever before and why.
	But a lot of people have said in response to that, a few people can't control the world.
	There's too many people. It's not possible.
	Well, now we have a handful of people, which you could probably get on ten fingers.
	Or two hands, yeah, that control Google, control YouTube, owned by Google, control Facebook, that absolutely dominate the information that most people see or don't see.
	We have a concentration of power in Silicon Valley A very small area of the world that is the greatest concentration of surveillance and censorship power the world has ever seen.
	They can decide what you see and what you don't see and they control your data In other words, the intelligence, military intelligence community can.
	To find out the fine detail of your life from the information that you've posted on these various platforms.
	So that's what we're facing in terms of freedom of speech.
	It's disappearing.
	In fact, it doesn't exist.
	There is no freedom of speech.
	By the definition of freedom of speech is the freedom to speak your opinion and not have it censored and not have it banned.
	So this happened to you, didn't it, at one of your talks where they tried to close it down?
	Well, they always try to close my talks down.
	You don't seem that bothered.
	When I say they, I'm talking about a ridiculously few people.
	We've reached the point now where there is a global network of ultra-Zionist groups that answer to Israel and the Netanyahu regime currently, who are targeting anyone who is in any way questioning the fact that Israel is not God's gift to humanity in every last thing that it does.
	This does not only include the general population.
	The ones they focused most on are Jewish people.
	Jewish people who are questioning the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians, which is horrific, are being targeted by these ultra-Zionist hate groups.
	I say hate groups because they're modus operandi to get the public to hate their targets, to silence them.
	And it's extraordinary how easy it is.
	I'll tell you how easy it is with me.
	They go to, and I'm talking a ridiculously few people, that don't represent the Jewish community at all, just claim to.
	They go to a venue and they'll say, this man Ike, he's going to come and say, it's all the Jews, he's anti-Semitic, he's a racist, he's going to say the Jews are doing this, the Jews are doing that.
	I ain't saying any of that. The venue does not then come to me and say, look, these people are saying, you're going to say this.
	And I'd say, look, go on my website and you'll see a video, a 10 hour talk that I've been doing for the last two years.
	Show me where there's any antisemitism or racism in it.
	Quite the opposite, because what I'm saying is, ironically, we need to put down these irrelevant manufactured fault lines of race and religion and culture and colour.
	That divide us and realize that we're actually all one consciousness having different experiences and that we've got caught in the illusion that the experiences of who we are when we are that consciousness that's having the experiences.
	So I am...
	Presenting what you could easily call the ultimate non-racist view of life because I say race is a nonsense and an irrelevance and an illusion.
	Same with all of it, religion.
	But the venues never check.
	They just say, oh, okay, we're not going to have him then, saying that, even though he's not going to say it.
	And they cancelled the event.
	Now, when a venue says to these people, who orchestrate emails and letters, all orchestrated, same few people every time...
	The venue says, no, hold on.
	Freedom of speech, mate. We're not having...
	No, no. No, he's going to be allowed to speak.
	What they then do is up the ante.
	They start saying to the venue, well, these are the consequences for you if you do this or whatever.
	And then some of them go to the police and they say, well, you know, this could be very, very dangerous to the audience and the staff because there's going to be big protests against this person.
	And the police in Leicester, Leicestershire, One of them, the guy that handled it, was a counter-terrorist officer.
	Right? You're laughing.
	So did I. So, I went to meet this guy.
	They go to the venue, right?
	And they say, oh, you know, danger to the staff, danger to the audience.
	And one of the things they said to the venue was, well, it could damage your reputation, right?
	I'm thinking... Now, I thought the police were there to defend freedom of speech, not persuade a bloody venue that it'd be better in their interest if they destroyed it, right?
	So anyway, that's what happened.
	We got a meeting and I went up to Leicester and I met this counter-terrorism officer.
	God help us if that's counter-terrorism's level of operation.
	And I met this other guy from Leicester City Council.
	And the first thing I said to them, I gave them the email sent to us from the venue, laying out what these two had told the venue.
	And I said to them, can you confirm that what is being said by the venue here happened and that's what you did?
	They agreed. So I knew what the interaction had been.
	So then I said to them, name me one book of mine that you've ever read.
	Silence. So I said, OK, name me one public event of mine that you've ever attended.
	Silence. Then I said, well, now name me one event anywhere in the world.
	And I've been right round the world in the last two years.
	Any event in the last two years on this world tour where one single person has ever protested.
	Silence. Reason?
	A, they couldn't answer because they're not checked.
	And secondly, not one has ever protested.
	But all it's taken is for people to contact the venue, or in this case, contact the police as well.
	Tell absolute lies about what I'm saying.
	And they destroy freedom of speech.
	And someone's A, ability...
	To speak in public and be the people to take the choice to listen.
	That was a sold-out event in Leicester, my hometown.
	And then what these ultra-Zionist hate groups do is they then contact the media when a venue cancels because of them.
	And they say...
	The event's been cancelled because the venue realised he's a Holocaust denier and an anti-Semite.
	Of course, the media then repeat that and you see a headline like Holocaust Denier David Icke's event cancelled.
	And when this has appeared on these mainstream news sites on the internet, I've contacted them.
	Every single one.
	I don't usually, but in this case you have to.
	And I've said, before I call my lawyers, would you please send me the evidence you have to support that headline?
	In every single case, bar none, they take it down in minutes, because they have none.
	All they've done is repeated what these ultra-Zionist hate groups have said.
	And what we are now seeing, and there's been a number of examples this week as we speak, is more and more Jewish people are coming out And saying about these hate groups, you don't speak for us.
	There's one guy on the internet, a story that broke today, a Jewish man who did a video on YouTube basically saying to these ultra-Zionist hate groups, I'm Jewish and you don't speak for me.
	In fact, you're causing anti-Semitism by what you're doing.
	He had his video deleted, right?
	So when you've got Jewish people speaking out against Israel and the Israeli government, that's really bad because it's very hard to paint them as racist against Jews when they are Jews.
	So they are targeted even more fiercely by these ultra-Zionist hate groups than people who aren't Jewish.
	And their freedom of speech is disappearing.
	And what we need to do is come together, all of us, who are being blatantly defamed and misrepresented by these groups, and they are very few in number, but very well funded, And jointly expose what they're doing because they are destroying freedom of speech in an ever-gathering way, week after week after week.
	And if it goes on, there will be nobody who can speak in public And challenge the official narrative, because they'll all be banned.
	That's where we're going. And do you think, because I've noticed on Facebook with some of the changes in algorithm and the reduction of the reach and the Cambridge Analytica and all that, I think people are starting to get a bit pissed off with it now.
	And there's, I mean, some of the things you're saying, I know you're talking about certain races, religions, etc.
	But I just see a lot of people online going, wait a minute now.
	You're censoring sometimes, but just...
	I know a lot of my posts, they go to 1% of my audience.
	Yeah, exactly. These are people that found me for the last 10 years that want to follow me.
	And I've built this over time.
	Yeah, yeah. This is the ghost banning. And if it's not in the format that they want, so like video, they'll do it.
	So do you think people are like, had enough now?
	They're getting sick of it.
	Of course they're getting sick of it.
	As they begin to understand...
	The scale of it and where this ultimately is going to lead, which will be silencing any dissent whatsoever.
	That's what it's all about.
	And you know what sickens me more than anything else about these ultra-Zionist hate groups?
	Is that they are exploiting.
	I mean, it almost is incomprehensible to think that they are exploiting what happened to Jewish people in Nazi Germany.
	Something I'm supposed to be denying according to them.
	They are exploiting the horrors of what happened to Jewish people in Nazi Germany, and others, by the way, to pursue an agenda of silencing dissent today.
	That is beyond sickening.
	Turns my stomach. And they need to be called out on it.
	Because, you know, in terms of me, they've taken on the wrong guy.
	Because I don't give a damn what people think of me.
	But I do give a damn about people having a right to have an opinion, even if I don't agree with it.
	And a lot of people...
	When they're faced with this, they run or they give up.
	Why don't you? What drives you, David?
	Well, if you give up, what you have researched for 30 years to understand what the endgame is will happen unchallenged.
	So giving up is just absolutely not an option.
	When people try to silence me, I just run out of them even quicker.
	And if you don't give up, and you speak your truth, and you're not spewing out hatred and all this other stuff, but you're talking about the need to love each other and the need to put down the fault lines that divide us, Then it's a power in itself which true hatred, which is that trying to silence you, Can't cope with.
	You know, when true hatred, like these ultra-Zionist hate groups, come into conflict with true hatred, which is some of these far-right operations, then that's a different dynamic, because that's hate fighting hate.
	But when hate's trying to silence, or hate trying to silence hate, but...
	When hate's trying to silence someone who's trying to articulate our hatred is how we got into this mess.
	Allowing the fault lines to divide us is how we got into this mess.
	And that dynamic is different.
	And that's why they struggle with me.
	Because I'm not saying what they claim I'm saying.
	And they can't make that stand up, therefore, to any proper examination.
	And that's why.
	They will never debate with me.
	I've offered to debate with them.
	I said to them, I will debate all of you together.
	Just me. No problem.
	They won't do it. Because let me tell you another quick story to show how far this has gone and how disgusting it is.
	I had a book launch of my new book, Everything You Need to Know But Have Never Been Told.
	And the first book launch was in Edinburgh.
	And they tried to stop that.
	And the owner of the venue, who'd spent a lot of time in Israel, by the way, got a barrister to look through my work to see if what was being claimed by these hate groups was true.
	He rightly concluded it wasn't.
	It went ahead.
	Brilliant. No problem.
	Spoke in London a few days later.
	At the Troxie venue in London.
	And again, they tried to stop it, but the owner knew what I was saying, knew what they were claiming was a nonsense.
	It went ahead.
	It were great. In fact, there were some people there from these hate groups who heard what I said, saw that it absolutely wasn't racist, but they completely ignore that.
	On the Friday of the same week, I was due to speak in Manchester.
	First of all, I was due to speak before at the Lowry Hotel in Manchester as a book launch.
	All going well, booking taken.
	These hate groups eventually lie through their teeth to the Lowry and the Lowry panic and say, oh, we're going to cancel.
	Then there was a second one, which is some museum.
	And then they did the same.
	And then we went to Manchester United, Old Trafford.
	And explain to them what's been happening.
	And the people at Manchester United, in the conference area anyway, said, oh no, we're Manchester United.
	We don't back down to intimidation.
	No problem. So it went on.
	It went on. On the Thursday afternoon, with the event on the Friday, with people coming from long distances, and a lot of the people are going to be there, Manchester United supporters, at this book launch.
	It was a dinner. On the Thursday afternoon, my son Jamie, who organises all this stuff, was in conversation with Manchester United for the final arrangements.
	Next morning, when these ultra-Zionist hate groups got wind of where the venue was going to be, because we kept it quiet because of what happens, they contact Manchester United...
	They contact the local Labour MP for the Manchester United area called Kate Green, who's virtue signaling in all directions.
	She contacts Kick It Out, this anti-racist group in football, and together they pressure Manchester United to pull the event on the morning it was happening.
	Never mind all those people that had bought tickets for this dinner.
	Never mind there were people who it was birthday present for.
	No matter there were lots of Man United supporters among them.
	Cancel it. Now here's a question.
	What does Kate Green, Labour MP, know about what I'm saying?
	Nothing. Only what the hate groups told her.
	What did Kick It Out know about what I'm saying?
	Nothing. Only what the hate groups told them.
	This is how easy it is to destroy freedom of speech.
	And I'll tell you one other thing about Manchester.
	In early 2017, I was due to do an all-day event at the Manchester O2 Apollo.
	Again, a sellout.
	And these hate groups approached the Apollo to cancel.
	Now, fortunately, I have spoken at a number of venues of the same chain.
	They know what I'm saying.
	They know the kind of people that come along and they know what happens.
	So, of course, they said no. And it went ahead.
	So one of these groups, called the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism, this is the worst, it was launched right in the middle of the last Israeli bombardment of Gaza, when the British public were appalled about the slaughter that was going on.
	And they said to the audience that came to the event, email us with...
	The anti-Semitism and make a complaint to us and then we'll take it further.
	Well, of course, there was none.
	So what the audience did was email them with copies to me saying, actually, he said the opposite.
	He said we need to love each other and put down the fault lines that divide us like race and religion.
	What the campaign against anti-Semitism then did is called the CAA. Is ignore those emails.
	Ignore what the audience said that I spoke about.
	And went to the subsequent venues and told them the same that they told the Manchester venue and previous venues about what I'm going to say.
	That's the disingenuous manipulation that's going on.
	And like I say, some of the biggest...
	people that had the biggest consequences from this are Jewish people.
	And we have to stop...
	Running away from these things.
	Running away from talking about them.
	And just speak the facts.
	Because if we don't face this, then this grotesque misrepresentation is going to destroy freedom of speech for everybody.
	Because that's what it's meant to do.
	Okay, so is there a paradox going on here?
	I... Realise my need for Facebook and YouTube in getting my message out there and sometimes feel a bit wronged.
	Maybe not as strongly as you, but I do certainly feel that my reach is getting artificially reduced.
	You sell millions of books.
	You've got 750,000 followers, I think, on Facebook.
	I'll stop you there. Okay, no, please.
	Three years ago, I had about 750,000 followers on Facebook.
	Yeah. All these years later, with interest in my work exploding, I have about 750,000 followers on Facebook.
	So something's going on that you think?
	That's the algorithms at work and how the suppression operates.
	And how do you deal with inside or balance this paradox of these being a great platform for you to get your message and your work out to the world, yet feeling controlled and limited by them?
	I'm going to take notes myself here because I feel the same thing.
	It's a simple reply, really.
	First of all, they're becoming less and less of a good platform as the suppression contracts what is getting circulated.
	But you use the system to expose the system because the system has the networks of communication and dominates them.
	So as best you can, you have to use the system to expose the system.
	But in terms of entrepreneurs, and it is starting to happen, you know, what do they say?
	What's that line? Necessity is the mother of invention, an old saying.
	Entrepreneurs, if you like, who are genuine, who believe in freedom of speech, they have a fantastic opportunity here and can make an enormous contribution to human freedom by developing platforms, not least video platforms, and developing communication platforms to replace these platforms.
	System controlled operations so that we don't have to use the system to bring the system down only.
	We have our own free platforms, non-censored platforms that can communicate it.
	And the more then that you have censorship and suppression in the official Media networks, the more people will gravitate towards those that are censorship free.
	And it will become counterproductive then for the corporate giants in Silicon Valley to go down the road they're going.
	Because it just they'll just be Replaced
	Because there there is I mean I've I've been on this journey now for nearly 30 years
	When I started out no one wanted to know I was just laughed at in the street and everything
	on this world tour speaking tour since the summer of 2016 all over the world literally I
	have seen a dramatic transformation both in the numbers of people that
	want to look at the world in another way and see that maybe this
	Official narrative is not exactly how it is or anything like it is
	And not only that, the kind of people, people within the system, people that a few years ago you thought, well, they'd never be in a position to think differently or question.
	But they are. There is a changing...
	Awareness going on.
	That the world is not.
	Like they thought it was.
	And the system has told them from cradle.
	Since they were born.
	How things are.
	Because when you look at a human life.
	It is a download.
	Of the official version of everything.
	That's what it is. This is why.
	Vast numbers of people.
	Have no other filter.
	For. Their view of reality, self, world events, than the information they receive from the mainstream media and mainstream everything.
	You know, you come out of the womb and your parents, who've been through the process that you're about to go through, the programming process, they start influencing your perceptions of reality.
	Overwhelmingly, the vast overwhelming majority, not because they're being malevolent, but they've been persuaded that they're It's a perceptual programming operation.
	It's psychological warfare on the young.
	And from the age of three, four, right up through your formative years into your teenage years, day after day after day after day, you are being given the official version of everything.
	Official version of science, of medicine, of politics, of everything.
	All the way through your formative years.
	And it's what I call the postage stamp consensus.
	It's a very narrow band of possibility.
	And if you're going to pass exams, you have to tell the system that that postage stamp perception of possibility that you've been told is reality, is reality.
	Otherwise, you're not going to pass your exams.
	Because what are exams? It's the system saying, you tell me what I've told you.
	And I'll give you a prize.
	You tell me what I've not told you because you've got a mind of your own and you're questioning it.
	And I'll ring your mum and dad and say you're a disruptive influence in the classroom.
	Right? And we'll see what Ritalin will do to that.
	Right? This happens all over the world.
	And then, having downloaded this program, Of perception of normal, the postage stamp reality.
	You then go out into the institutions, you become a journalist, a doctor, a scientist, someone in the corporate world, a politician.
	And you've taken with you this core download of the perception of normal.
	And how things are.
	And so, these institutions are all controlled by this perception, and then they confirm to each other that this perception is true.
	If you're a scientist and you don't stick to the scientific orthodoxy, then you lose your grants, and you become ridiculed by your profession.
	If you're a doctor and you don't go along with the orthodoxy, you lose the right to practice, even though it might be very effective what you're doing.
	If you're a journalist, you won't last long if you go against the orthodoxy.
	And then all underpinning this, you've got peer pressure.
	All the people who've been through the sausage machine that you've been through, who have decided that they will accept that version of normal, they then police everyone else that wants to question that normal.
	So you're ridiculed or condemned by your peers if you question what they have...
	Accepted without question.
	And I've used this analogy a number of times.
	I think it's very accurate.
	We laugh at sheep because sheep follow the one in front and follow the shepherd.
	One shepherd follow the shepherd and anyone that goes out of line, the sheepdog's there, woof, woof, fear, fear, fear.
	We laugh at sheep.
	Oh, sheep, they're so stupid.
	Humans have out-sheaped the sheep.
	We've dispensed with a bloody sheepdog.
	We keep each other in line by ridicule and condemnation for the crime of being different or questioning the norm.
	And how has anything ever moved forward in the entirety of human history, ironically?
	People questioning the norm.
	Because if you don't question the norm, you go into an eddy or vortex and you go round and round and round and nothing moves on and nothing expands.
	But that's the idea.
	You cannot control a population of critical thinking, free-thinking people, questioning people.
	In the way that you can control a population that just accepts, like a sponge, the official version of everything.
	And thanks to the alternative media, although I don't think most of the alternative media goes even nearly far enough, most of it's not actually alternative but mainstream light.
	But even so... Thanks to that, and this availability in the last few years of alternative narratives to world events, etc., people have started now to question more than ever before.
	When the government comes out and says, this is what happened, it's the Russians!
	More and more people, like never before, are going, well, hold on a minute.
	Is it? Where's the evidence?
	And I tell you, when you ask that question, where's the evidence?
	There's usually silence coming back.
	And you know, with this incident in Salisbury, with the nerve agent and the Russian double agent working for British intelligence, or used to anyway, There was a wonderful line from Theresa May, the British Prime Minister, that encapsulated exactly what I'm talking about and how this perceptual download, this perceptual programming is supposed to work.
	She said, with no evidence whatsoever, There is no alternative to the conclusion that the Russians were involved.
	Now, of course, there are endless other alternative possibilities.
	But that's what this whole programming is about.
	To get people to believe there is no alternative to the conclusion that what we're telling you is true.
	Anyone else tells you that it's not true?
	Conspiracy theorists.
	And what people like me are saying is we're not having it.
	We're not going to accept the official.
	If the official story stands up to scrutiny, fair enough.
	If it doesn't, and it usually doesn't, then that's not fair enough.
	But what the silencing of freedom of speech is all about is to stop people having access to that alternative narrative to the official one.
	And people like me won't have it.
	Not quietly, anyway. Well...
	Sitting here listening to you has just almost put a mirror in front of my face in your way of saying it, which is why I love being an entrepreneur, whatever one defines that as.
	I define it as being creative, waking up today wanting to do something meaningful and being able to do it without anyone getting in my way, without regulation or too much of it.
	We need some, don't we, to stay safe.
	And yeah, when you run your own ship, like you do with your message, you're not employed by anyone as it seems, then you can put the work out that you want to put out and you can make the difference to the world that you want to make.
	And yeah, I suppose that takes a little bit of courage and bravery because when you do that, the system's going to say, hey, wait a minute, you should do it like this.
	Wait a minute, you should do it like this. So I'll come back to that in a minute because there was something I really thought of and I wanted to make a couple of suggestions for you, for you to keep getting your work out there and to the listeners.
	Because I found LinkedIn, I don't know if they've strategically gone, oh look what Facebook have done, we'll have everyone.
	But they seem to be doing the opposite, where they're letting you get much more expanded reach.
	I mean I've been playing with some of my content on there and it's been, I get 250,000 views in a day on something and I'm not as big as you in terms of my following and I wouldn't normally get that.
	So they're clearly letting it go.
	And I don't feel like the reach is being played with.
	It seems to be pretty consistent.
	So that's one thing. Second thing is, we were talking about this on the way down.
	You should have a podcast.
	No one seems to control a podcast.
	Joe Rogan's got one. He says and does what he wants.
	100 million downloads a month.
	And it's like they can't be policed.
	They can't be controlled. Because you own the back-end podcast.
	Audio, and then, okay, iTunes will syndicate it, and Stitcher will syndicate it, and Podbean will syndicate it, and whatever else.
	But you own this asset, which doesn't seem like it can be controlled, or doctored, or manipulated.
	And, you know, my podcast has nearly 2 million subscriptions, and it's got, I'm just a little guy doing a little thing, you know, and it's helped me get out to the world.
	So, I guess I'm saying that because if people feel like you, that the bigger media, I'm pointing over here, obviously you've got Google up on your website, If they feel that Google and Facebook, I'm not here knocking those by the way, but I'm just saying if they feel Google, YouTube, Facebook are starting to police, reduce your freedom of speech, have the evil doctor, evil press button, no you can't, yes you can, no you can't, and you don't like that, I think these are the platforms like LinkedIn and Podcasts Yeah, I mean, my sons who run the organization of my work,
	they are doing this now because we have to respond to what is happening.
	But there are great opportunities for entrepreneurs who believe in freedom to replace or offer alternatives to these platforms.
	I know people are starting to do it.
	But the more that we can have, the better.
	Because in my new book, Everything You Need to Know But I've Never Been Told, I talk about the fact that YouTube Was demonetizing alternative content and of course the alternative media I mean I write books and stuff so I'm not dependent on YouTube but a lot of alternative people became dependent on YouTube monetizing their videos to make more videos and I said in the book that that's only stage one The next stage is they start deleting channels and of course now they're deleting channels on a very, very large scale worldwide.
	So this is not something that's going to happen over a long period of time.
	That's what I'm saying. So there is a very urgent need and a massive potential audience For platforms of, if you like, social communication and videos for people that really believe in not censoring.
	Yes, the big companies will go the way of the system.
	I actually love it when, out of nowhere, Major corporations got together and said to Google, talking about YouTube, you're putting our adverts against hateful videos and you must stop it.
	And they all got together and said, you know, all these ethical companies, you know, that have the best interests of humanity at art while they're screwing them day by day by day, right?
	It's all orchestrated.
	And so Google, B-movie actors, said, oh no, we better take the adverts down then, which just happened to be on the alternative media channels.
	And that was how the demonetisation started.
	And then once you start it, you roll it out even more, and now there's virtually none on Google for anyone with an alternative view.
	But people still have to sell things.
	And there is an advertising, quote, market out there for a large audience platform.
	And if people would go down that road, there are great financial opportunities for them, as well as the main reason, from my point of view, which is having the ability to communicate information uncensored.
	Because the more uncensored information circulates, the more the system of control will fall.
	Because its whole foundation, its whole way of surviving is to keep from its target population what it is doing, how it is doing it and to what ultimate end.
	So do you regard yourself in any way as a businessman or an entrepreneur?
	It seems to me like the more you resist these things you stand against, the bigger and more powerful and more successful you become.
	Are you aware of that dynamic going on?
	No, I'm not an entrepreneur.
	I spend my life researching information and communicating information.
	My sons, Jamie and Gareth, who run the organization of everything, they work to get my information out there.
	And they can be very creative at it, and they have to be very creative at it because of all the pressures to stop it.
	So that's the way I work.
	I don't have anything to do with that side of things at all.
	I just deal with the information.
	In fact, you know, there was a time When I did it all.
	I did it all.
	Everything. Including writing all the books and everything.
	But now as my sons have got involved in recent years, it's freed me from all the other side of it.
	So I just focus on the information.
	And it's been incredibly effective, both in the information I've been able to uncover because I've had more time, And also in the fact that they have been excellent in the way that they have organised the communication of it.
	And is that just to free up your time, or is that because you don't really enjoy the more commercial aspect, or is that because they're good at the commercial aspect, or is that because you wanted your family involved?
	No, it's because A, they're good at it, and B, I have no interest in it whatsoever.
	All the commercial side of it and what have you I have no interest in that whatsoever I just want to uncover the information and communicate it but you're quite right in the world that we live in you have to have an organization around you that a can provide the opportunities to communicate the information you're uncovering and also to make sure that There is money there to finance what you're doing.
	We do our own events, and a heck of a lot of money has to go out before any comes back.
	When you are printing books and what have you, there's a hell of a lot of money that goes out before it comes back.
	People can see the cover price of a book, but we don't get anything like that.
	Because it goes through distributors, it goes through shops, and there's all the shipping.
	So, yeah.
	Printing, exactly. And so you have to have an organization like that, that's sound.
	Otherwise, the point of everything, which communicated the information, just stops.
	But that's not my side of things.
	I don't enjoy that.
	Sure. But you embrace it.
	Don't let me give the impression that I don't like business and I don't like entrepreneurs.
	Quite the opposite. A microphone, for instance, is neutral.
	It's what you use it for that makes it positive or negative.
	Same with a notebook, same with a printing press, same with a computer, same with the world of the entrepreneur.
	You can use that creative business acumen Seeing opportunities and exploiting them in a way that's very beneficial for the world or you can do it like the giant corporations which is a hijacking the wealth therefore the power in the world in the hands of fewer and fewer and fewer people and you know one of the things I've been talking about for decades now and and I gave it the name at one point the Hunger Games Society It's a structure which you can symbolise as a pyramid where at the top of the pyramid you have this 1%.
	Actually it's less than 1% at the core.
	At the bottom of the pyramid you have the rest of humanity that are not in the 1%.
	And the 1% of hijacked by this point all the wealth of the world basically and therefore they're calling all the shots.
	And between the The controlled masses and the 1% is a merciless police-military state to hold that status quo.
	And when you look at the way society is going, day after day after day, you can see that happening.
	You've got the police state and the police-military state emerging more and more, the surveillance state, that's all part of this Middle strata to impose the will of the 1% on the masses of the people.
	You've got more and more people at other levels of income that are being touched by this austerity.
	You've now got the so-called middle classes being targeted and finding it harder and harder to...
	To financially survive.
	You've got more and more people falling into the lower strata.
	More and more homelessness etc.
	More and more lower wages.
	And at the top, you've got this incredible concentration of wealth, thus power, into the hands of fewer and fewer people, to the point now where vast amounts, vast percentages of the world's wealth are actually held by single-digit numbers of people.
	And this is the Hunger Games Society unfolding.
	And so, we can look at the pressures...
	On freedom of speech.
	But entrepreneurs that want to use their skills and use their ingenuity to challenge that Hunger Games structure...
	With freedom and with a greater expansion and distribution of wealth, they're also finding themselves targeted by the system with regulation and you can't do this and what have you.
	Because anything...
	Whether it's freedom of speech or whether it's entrepreneurs that are doing things that are undermining the emergence of this Hunger Games society pyramid, they're all being targeted.
	And so it's going to be a challenge to take it on.
	It is a challenge to take it on.
	But, you know, what did I just say?
	1% or less than 1%.
	And the 1% can only have the power they have Because, A, they control the money systems and control governments, but also because that middle strata of the police-military state, who are made up of people from the population, police that population to the benefit of the 1%.
	When they start to realise...
	That actually their families are being affected by this.
	Their children and grandchildren have to live in the world that they're helping to bring in by protecting the 1% interest from the interest of the masses.
	Then the whole pyramid will fall.
	I'm more confident than I've ever been That that pyramid will fall, but it won't fall on its own.
	We've got to start getting engaged.
	Okay, so let's come back to that.
	I'd like to explore you a little bit more, David, if that's alright.
	You said earlier you can't walk down the street without getting laughed at.
	I couldn't. I can now.
	I get stopped in the street and talk to very seriously now about what's going on in the world.
	It's been a dramatic transformation, but it once was like that, absolutely.
	Okay, so I'd like to talk about both of those more extreme scenarios.
	So at first when that happened, how did it make you feel and how did you deal with it and cope with it and carry on doing your work despite all this ridicule?
	Something inside of me told me this was leading somewhere.
	And that if I kept going, then that somewhere would emerge.
	And when you go through the level of ridicule that I did in the early mid-90s, one of two things happens.
	Either it destroys you and you withdraw from the world.
	Or you let go of the prison that most people live in, which is the fear of what other people think.
	Most people are not living their lives.
	They're not living who they are.
	They're living what they think others think they should be.
	And therefore, they're living a lie.
	They're living someone else's version of them.
	What happened to me as a result of that massive ridicule is that I let go of the fear of what other people thought.
	And when you do that, it's indescribable what that does.
	Because... No more mental gymnastics before you open your mouth.
	What do I say here?
	Hello? Hello darling?
	Yeah, I'm in the middle of an interview.
	Would you like to be part of it? No? All right, that's good.
	You guys can come on down.
	I will. Alright, darling.
	See you later. Bye. No, you were very good.
	You were very good.
	Bye.
	What I did was let go of that fear of what other people thought of me.
	And the freedom is indescribable.
	Because like I say, you don't have the mental gymnastics.
	How do I put this so they won't think I'm crazy?
	What do I leave out so they won't think I'm crazy?
	You reach this point where this is me and I don't give a damn if you think I'm crazy.
	How did you do that?
	Well, it's something that comes from letting go of the fear of what other people think.
	I mean, if you ask people to write down, say their top five fears, all over the world, invariably, the vast majority would include speaking in public.
	What is the fear of speaking in public?
	It's the fear of what other people think.
	Ridicule, shame. Yeah, it's the fear of what other people think.
	So when you stand on a stage, if you fear what other people think, you can be nervous because the power dynamic is with the audience.
	Because they are going to decide if you feel secure or not.
	So you're scanning the audience as you're speaking and you're looking for reaction.
	What do they think of it?
	That power is there.
	Once you let go of the fear of what other people think, you can speak to a hundred people or a million people.
	It doesn't matter because the dynamic has changed.
	The dynamic now says, this is my truth and I respect your right to make of it what you will.
	And come to your own conclusion.
	But this is my truth.
	And your reaction is not going to affect my truth.
	So, however you react to what I'm saying, whether you like it, whether you laugh at it, or whether you condemn it, it doesn't matter to me.
	Because it's my truth and I have a right to speak it.
	My truth and my security is not dependent on other people's reaction to me.
	I completely respect their right to respond as they choose.
	I have a right to not to be affected by it.
	And so, in that way, you can get ridiculed in the street.
	And it don't really affect you.
	You just shake your head and walk on.
	And sometimes, it's an interesting experience, really.
	Do you have a bite?
	Well, very rarely I have, long ago.
	But one of the things I have done When people have been laughing at me, I've stopped, and I've started laughing at them, and pointing at them, if I've got someone with me, you want to see absolute anger!
	On their faces and the indignation.
	And you think, hold on a minute.
	I'm just mirroring you back at you.
	And that's an interesting point about human interaction.
	When we say something about someone...
	Or do something about someone.
	We think that that's making a statement about the someone.
	It's not. Every time it's making a statement about us by what we say and what we do.
	But people don't see that.
	And this is why people don't see so often that they are mirrors of that they rail against.
	You know, if you take this progressive mentality...
	Like I say, I'm not talking about a liberal mentality.
	I'm a liberal. If you look at the dictionary definition of liberal, it is someone who believes in maximum freedom of speech, maximum freedom of lifestyle, maximum freedom of everything.
	But a progressive mentality, which they actually call liberal, it's stunning, believes in the opposite of that.
	So you have people who rail against the system, who think they are anti-establishment.
	Who are actually doing exactly what the establishment wants, which is to silence the population.
	When you've got the progressive anti-establishment mentality saying to government, he must be silenced, he must be, she must be silenced!
	And the government and the corporate world and the establishment are going, yes, we would be delighted to do that.
	And so it's this mirror, this inversion where people perceive themselves in a certain way, but actually act in a way that's the very same as that they rail against.
	So they'll talk about fascists.
	We're anti-fascists!
	Alright, you're anti-fascists, right?
	So what do you want to do?
	We want to silence these people!
	That's what fascists do, you know?
	They can't see it.
	That's the problem.
	I've gone through this struggle in my life, David, a little bit, where when I was young, I was very overweight,
	and I didn't really feel like I fit in, and I was a bit slow on being liked,
	and that seemed to build a bit of a need in me to be liked, which I started overcompensating for as I grew up.
	I understand that.
	And I think it's only been the last few years I've really started to go, you know, this is me, this is who I am,
	and sort of, I still think it's there, but I think it's like I'm managing it better.
	I have found like you, like you visibly lifted when you said it.
	When you said it's liberating and freeing, it was like you exercised something from your...
	And I just know how amazingly more impactful and happy and confident people would be if they stopped worrying about what everyone thought about them.
	And I really want to dig in this because...
	I don't know if you were able to do it through some introspection or I don't know if almost you were forced to do it because it was, like you said, hide away and I don't exist in the world because they've beaten me or one day you thought this is enough, enough is enough.
	So what could you say to other people who are a bit overly worried about what people think to help them get rid of it?
	Well, first of all, if you have people around you Who so disrespect your right to be you that they give you a hard time for being you, then what are you doing with them?
	You know, there's loads of other people out there that will respect you.
	Go and find them.
	Don't surround yourself with people that don't respect your right to be you.
	I don't care if they're family.
	I don't care who they are.
	If they don't respect your right to be you, then what are you doing?
	Interacting with them all the time.
	It's just going to make you depressed.
	It's going to make you frustrated. Walk away.
	And if they then come round, great.
	But if they don't, well, equally great.
	It's like kids.
	I see this thing with parents.
	I've spoken to people in their 60s.
	Who were still feeling guilty for not doing with their lives what their parents wanted them to do.
	Oh, you know, I wanted to go walk in India, but me mother wanted me to be a lawyer.
	I don't like the law, but, you know, I had to do it.
	No, you didn't have to do it.
	You know, if your mother wants to be a lawyer, she could go and be a bloody lawyer.
	If you want to walk in India, go and walk in India.
	And if your mother, I don't care, all these staff, I don't care!
	You will only express your true, unique self if you refuse to let anyone impact and suppress that expression of your
	true, unique self.
	And the number of people, the number of parents, who, and I think this is child abuse frankly,
	Who want to live their lives through their children.
	Who want to get kudos through their children.
	You know, I was in America once and I saw this sticker at the back of a car.
	My daughter won this so-and-so degree in college.
	And I'm thinking, yeah, your bloody daughter did it, mate.
	You didn't bloody do it.
	What are you doing? Trying to get, you know, live through your children.
	Congratulate your children, yeah.
	But looking for the kudos?
	Oh, yeah. My son's going to Oxford.
	My daughter's going to Cambridge.
	Oh, really? You are a successful family.
	Her son wants to go walking in India, you know.
	A daughter was to be a nurse.
	But they go to university because mother says so, father says so.
	The number of people, it's not even rare, the number of parents, particularly the ones with more money, therefore more influence and access to these educational institutions.
	The number of them that impose their will on their children because it suits them and not their children is absolutely disgusting.
	And what it's doing, it's turning out very frustrated, very distorted people who are living a life they don't want to live.
	And I'll say this to people.
	Are you happy?
	Are you fulfilled?
	Do you get up in the morning and say, new day?
	If not, why not?
	Make a list. Why am I not happy?
	Why don't I have joy in my life?
	Why don't I wake up in the morning and say, yeah, new day?
	What are the things that make me not feel like that?
	What are the things that would make me feel like that?
	Okay, stop doing them and do them.
	And refuse to compromise.
	On stop doing them and doing them.
	Take control of your life.
	And you know. If you go deeper into it.
	This is the area that is my great passion.
	My great love.
	What I absolutely love researching.
	And gaining understanding in.
	The nature of reality itself.
	We live in a.
	Equivalent. Of a Wi-Fi internet field.
	I call it the cosmic internet.
	They're quantum fields of possibility and probability waiting to manifest.
	I've got a computer here and what appears on that screen is dictated by what part of the internet I access.
	That dictates what appears on that screen.
	In the same way, what part of these quantum fields of possibility and probability I access and turn into experience, in a way I'll describe in a second, dictates what appears on my screen.
	In other words, dictates my own life experience.
	If you live your life Within the parameters and the program of the postage stamp consensus, then you are interacting with this quantum field of possibility and probability in a very narrow band of frequency.
	So the potential you have to manifest experience in your life and achievement, if you like for a word, in your life is limited by that.
	Once you expand your self-identity, as I'll come to in a second, and your consciousness expands, and your sense of the possible expands, you're now interacting with this quantum field of possibility and probability in a much vaster swathe.
	And therefore, your potential for manifestation of experience, for manifestation of achievement, for manifestation of the life you want, becomes massively expanded.
	Take the Chinese internet.
	It is firewalled off so that Chinese people can only access a fraction of the internet.
	Symbolic of this postage stamp consensus mentality.
	But beyond those firewalls is a vastness of possibility with the internet that they never see.
	Information they never access.
	And what dictates our interaction with this possibility and probability is our self-identity, seems to me.
	If you believe that you are little me and have no power, Then that manifests itself as the frequency band you're operating on and it's very narrow.
	Coming back to the simplest analogy, it's someone who sees the glass half empty or the glass half full.
	That's a completely different perception of the same situation.
	And what will come from those two perceptions will be very different experiences of that glass compared with the other.
	And for me...
	We have got caught, and this is the very foundation of the perceptual manipulation.
	We have got caught in the illusion, systematically, that what we're experiencing is who we are.
	People self-identify with their labels.
	I am a man, I am a woman, I am black, I am Jewish, I am Muslim, I am this, I am that.
	And if you look at political correctness, And this whole transgender explosion...
	Ah, transgender! Go on, do it.
	Say what you want. Don't even start.
	No, we'll be in another two hours.
	Don't start me off. Because that's a complete scam.
	It's not about, just a very quick aside, it's not about respecting people who feel they're in the wrong body.
	It's not about that.
	That's just the excuse. It's about divide and rule.
	We now have feminists and transgender people in conflict.
	It's another fault line, but there's really very much more to it than that, and it goes very deep.
	But what that's doing, if you look at it, it's creating subdivisions and subdivisions and subdivisions of self-identity.
	We're now, in terms of looking at self-identity, we're looking down the wrong end of a freaking telescope.
	They're getting minute.
	I am our LGB blah blah blah blah.
	And what it's doing, every time you subdivide into a smaller perception of self, you're getting further and further and further away from the true self.
	Which is consciousness.
	Consciousness that's having that experience.
	When people have near-death experiences and leave the body and suddenly experience a vastly different reality, they've left the body.
	So what has left the body?
	Consciousness. Their point of awareness.
	We are in our prime form.
	A state of awareness, a state of being aware.
	What the body does, I call it a biological computer, is when we experience through the body, when that consciousness experiences through the body, the body focuses the attention of that consciousness in a tiny band of frequency known as visible light, Which is so tiny it's laughable and that's all that we can see.
	We don't actually live in a world.
	We live in a band of frequency.
	And beyond that frequency is infinity which we can't see.
	You know, if you tune to Radio 1, you tune a radio to Radio 1 or a television channel, television to BBC 1, that's what you get.
	You don't get BBC 2, that doesn't exist to BBC 1.
	You don't get Radio 2, that doesn't exist to Radio 1.
	You get Radio 1.
	And so the body is tuning us and focusing our attention in a narrow band of frequency.
	It's an experience.
	And these experiences are given labels like Christian, white, black, brown, Jewish, Islam, Hindu, right?
	What happens is, and this is what the program encourages, of course, is people self-identify with those labels and they say, that is me.
	I am my income bracket.
	I am my life story.
	I am my race. I am my culture.
	No, no. They are what your consciousness is experiencing, your point of attention.
	And you know you, Mr.
	Islamic man, and you, Mr.
	Jewish man, and you, Mr. Christian man, you, Mr.
	White man, you, Mr. Black man, you, Mr.
	Asian man? You're all points of attention of the same infinite consciousness.
	And because you have become so programmed to believe that your labels are you, You are fighting each other for power.
	To hold on to an identity.
	To impose, in many ways, an identity.
	That is merely an illusion of incredibly short experience.
	When you leave the body, your consciousness leaves the body at a near-death experience, for instance, and I've read endless accounts all over the world for people.
	The common themes are incredible.
	They don't say, oh, I'm out of the body now, but I'm still a Muslim, I'm still a Hindu, I'm still a this, I'm still a that.
	No, no. They are consciousness.
	Consciousness, awareness, a state that's what we are.
	And so...
	When in the body you can stop self-identifying with the labels And start to self-identify with being the consciousness, everything changes.
	Because what self-identification with labels does is it focuses attention and your interaction with the cosmic field of probability and possibility is limited by that focus of attention within that frequency.
	Once you say, they are my experiences, I am the infinite awareness having those experiences, you start to interact with possibility and probability on a vastly greater scale.
	And suddenly, life becomes an adventure.
	Suddenly, your life changes.
	People that represent the old frequency of your life, they disappear.
	New people come in.
	New opportunities happen.
	Amazing coincidences happen that didn't happen before.
	Oh, it's a miracle.
	No, it's not a miracle.
	You're interacting with possibility and probability on a vaster scale.
	Therefore, probability and possibilities happen in a more extraordinary way than they do when you're there.
	Yes. And this is, when you do the research and you realize what is actually manipulating this world, you realize that while the vast majority of people that are making decisions every day, like politicians and people, etc., are overwhelmingly 99.999% clueless about reality, as are most scientists, vast majority of scientists and doctors and all of them, deep in the shadows, out of the public arena.
	Where it's all coming from.
	They understand how this works.
	They know that if they can hijack your perception, they can hijack your experience by this feedback interaction between your perception, which creates your frequency band of interaction with the cosmic field of possibility and probability.
	The more they can contract our sense of self The more they can control our life experiences and suppress it to the point where we're no problem to them.
	Have you had ayahuasca?
	Have you ever had any of those experiences?
	Yeah, I did that once in 2003 in Brazil.
	Not done it before, not done it since, but I had a fantastic experience.
	I was writing a book in 2001, 2002.
	About the World Trade Center disaster at 9-11.
	And it was all about how the official narrative is...
	It's a joke, frankly.
	I mean, it's the most ludicrous story.
	Because if that's true, that can't be true.
	If that's true, that can't be true.
	None of it fits, anyway.
	And look what 9-11 has justified ever since.
	When I was writing that book, I thought, you know, if I'm going to...
	If I'm going to take this on, I need to get out there.
	And see this world from another perspective.
	Not in some dream where you wake up and you think, was that a dream?
	Was that real? But actually where you consciously experience it.
	Synchronistically, this is what happens when you start expanding your interaction with the field of possibility.
	I then got invited to go to a Brazilian rainforest and take part in an ayahuasca week.
	I could have taken it four times.
	Took it twice.
	Had a fantastic experience.
	And on the second night...
	Particularly, I spent five hours having this very clear, took a female form, female voice, as loud as mine is now, and very, very funny.
	Give me chapter and verse on the fact that this reality we think is so real is just an illusion.
	That there is no physical and that the world we think we're experiencing outside of us is not outside of us at all.
	It gave me chapter and verse on it and I had instant total recall of all of it afterwards.
	So I came back. Why was it a fantastic experience?
	What was fantastic about it? Because it was rewriting The human perception of the reality we're experiencing.
	And it was doing it in such a persuasive way that made total sense.
	And then I came back and I started looking at what I was told.
	And I realised that, you see, you look at mainstream science, a series of disciplines, not only few of them talk to each other, but a lot of them are in competition with each other for funding and prestige.
	But when you actually break it down and you connect the dots, especially in the areas of quantum physics...
	I realized that actually, if you put the dots together, what this voice was telling me in the Brazilian rainforest, in this ayahuasca perceptual state, had already been established, right? And I've gone down this road big time since 2003 when this happened.
	And everything that I've discovered, every new scientific discovery in the realm of quantum physics, for instance, has further confirmed what I was told that night.
	Because we live our lives as if this world is solid and is outside of us.
	Well, quantum physics has shown it's not solid.
	We are told that the physical world is made up of atoms.
	Atoms have no solidity.
	You know, an atom is a nucleus with electrons flying around it.
	The distance within an atom Between the nucleus and the electrons and, well, let's put it in a simple way.
	If an atom was the size of a cathedral, the nucleus would be the size of a ten cent piece.
	Atoms have no solidity whatsoever, and if you go deep enough into the nucleus and the electrons, they have no solidity either.
	So we're being told that this physical world, which isn't, is made up of atoms, and atoms have no solidity.
	How is that possible?
	It's possible because the world isn't solid.
	The base form of this reality is exactly in principle like a Wi-Fi field.
	It's waveform information fields, right?
	This is the quantum field of possibility and probability.
	The body, as I've been calling it for decades, is a biological computer.
	In its base state, it too is a waveform information field.
	What the five senses do is take waveform information, take the ears, that's an obvious one, And they turn it into electrical information and they communicate that to the brain and then the brain then decodes that electrical information into holographic and digital information inside the brain.
	Which we experience as a world outside of us.
	It exists visually.
	It exists in a small area of the back of the brain that decodes visual reality.
	Other parts of the brain decode hearing and touch and taste, etc., and smell.
	And together, the brain fits that together into an experience that appears to be outside of us.
	You know, the old question...
	Does a falling tree make a noise?
	Only if you hear it.
	That sounds weird, what are you talking about?
	Because of this reason. When a falling tree falls, it doesn't make a noise.
	What it does is disturb the air, disturbs the waveform field, which sends out vibrations.
	Vibrations are picked up by the ears, Communicate it electrically to the brain which decodes them into the sound of a tree falling.
	A tree falling only makes a noise when we hear it.
	I'm talking to you now and what I'm communicating to you is a waveform field generated by my vocal cords and words are not passing between you and me.
	These waveform frequency fields are passing between you and me.
	They're picked up by your ears, communicated to your brain electrically, and it decodes those waveform fields into the words that you are hearing.
	We are living a complete and utter illusion of reality.
	You know, people say, well, you know, they've got to be physical because you can't walk through the wall.
	Well, If you are of the right frequency that's different to the wall, yes you can.
	I mean things go through walls, frequencies go through walls because the frequency that goes through the wall is so different to the frequency of the wall that it can pass through.
	And when we have a A resistance which we experience in the decoded world of holographic illusion as a physical resistance, that is an electromagnetic resistance at the waveform level of reality.
	It's all illusion.
	All this was explained to me over this five hours by this voice in Brazil who actually opened up by saying this...
	Basically, you're going to be told the nature of reality.
	But all you really need to know is infinite love is the only truth.
	Everything else is illusion.
	And it repeated it. Infinite love is the only truth.
	Everything else is illusion.
	The illusion that has...
	That has stopped us understanding our true nature, which is consciousness, is what creates the division, the chaos, the conflict, the hatred.
	And stops as being what we truly are, which is incarnate love.
	That's what we're supposed to be.
	Not love in the sense of, you know, I saw you down the disco.
	Fancy a darling. Love you, darling.
	All that stuff. No. It's love in another way.
	We have so...
	We've misrepresented what love is.
	We have to put words in front of it now, like unconditional love and what have you.
	But it is a state of harmony, a state of being, a state of compassion, a state of empathy.
	And when we are in that state, there is no disharmony.
	But when you fall for the illusion of what I call the phantom self, the name of one of my books, where we self-identify who we are with the labels, then the force manipulating human society can play those labels off against each other and create divide and rule and conflict, which is what it does. And through this subdivision and subdivision of the minutiae of self-identity, it's doing it on an ever greater scale.
	When you self-identify with being a point of attention within infinite awareness, and I look at you and I know that you are a point of attention within the same awareness and so are you and so are you and so is everybody else, then we view each other in a completely different way.
	No longer do we need to compete.
	No longer do we need to manipulate.
	No longer do we need to trash.
	No longer do we need to cuss and kick and fight to get to the top of the greasy pole.
	The greasy pole for what?
	The greasy pole within this infinitesimal section of time we call a human life.
	When what we are infinitely is consciousness.
	And we have to fight each other and punch each other and kick each other to get to the top of a greasy pole in this tiny segment of life or time we call life.
	Even time's an illusion, by the way.
	But you do have to be somewhere in about 15 minutes.
	Within the perception of this reality.
	Time exists within the perception of this reality.
	Which we created.
	I think it's been created for us.
	That's another whole interview.
	But when people leave the body in a near-death experience and they go to a point where they become consciously consciousness- A state of awareness, then time as we experience it here does not exist.
	And if you think about time, people think there's a past and there's a future, but there's only a now.
	There's only a now moment.
	And so that's very difficult for people to grasp at first because they think, well, I've been there and I'm going there.
	But hold on a minute. When you're thinking of the past, Where are you?
	You're in the now. When you're worrying about the future, where are you?
	You're in the now. And when what we call the future becomes an experience, it's experienced in the now.
	There's only the now. So time is an illusion too.
	But we use time so that we can operate within this reality.
	But again, it's part of the illusion.
	It's part of the The reality that people think is real, but isn't.
	And you know, if you kind of think about it, if you are a tiny group of people, deep in the shadows, who understand the nature of reality, the illusory nature of reality, how people interact with reality, how perceptions of people become their experience cause and effect, just think Of the magnitude of power that gives you over the target population.
	This is why mainstream science is so controlled, so that it doesn't go down these roads.
	I mean, you know, you talk to most scientists, although quantum physics has shown this to be true, and they have to acknowledge quantum physics exists because it does, they crack on in their own disciplines as if quantum physics doesn't exist, as if the whole thing's bloody solid and real.
	I mean you look at medicine.
	Medicine treats the body as if the body is a solid reality with the scalpel and the drug.
	But the body is just a decoded projection of waveform energetic fields.
	And if that energetic field is in harmony...
	The body has to be in harmony.
	It has to be healthy. Because the body that we see is just a holographic decoded projection of the waveform field of information.
	If that waveform field of information becomes disharmonious, which emotion can do, this is why stress causes illness, which fear can do, which anxiety can do, which radiation fields can do, which Wi-Fi can do...
	Then that distortion of the waveform field of the body becomes expressed in the decoded projection of what we call the physical body.
	And therefore we have disease, disharmony, illness.
	Which is why the alternative methods of healing going way, way back, whether it's acupuncture or all of it, Focus on healing the waveform level of the body, the energetic level of the body, knowing that if that's right, this must be right. Because mainstream medicine, within this five cents postage stamp prison that it operates in, does not accept the waveform level of the body and only accepts this level, which it can see, touch and taste,
	etc. What can it do but try to treat what it can see with the scalpel and the drug, which is why it causes such mayhem to the point where the biggest cause of death in America now is the treatment.
	Staggering but true.
	And so what alternative practitioners say is mainstream medicine only treats the symptom, it doesn't treat the cause.
	But if mainstream medicine will not accept the existence of the waveform field level of the body, which is where the cause comes from, it's only left with treating the symptom, which is the expression of a problem in the waveform field being decoded into the holographic field of the body.
	You look at science, you look at medicine, journalism, like I say, all of it, politics, they're all living on this postage stamp.
	Oh, we're a left-wing political party.
	Okay, you're on the left of the postage stamp.
	And we're a right... Yeah, okay, you're on the right of the postage stamp.
	But no one's off the postage stamp.
	And therefore, society is living in this bubble...
	Of unreality, this bubble of complete misunderstanding of the very reality we're experiencing.
	And it's kind of sobering to think that science, politics, medicine, all of it, journalism, decisions being made all the time about what happens to the world and what happens here and what happens there, are all being made by people Who are absolutely clueless about the very reality they are experiencing.
	They are making laws, making decisions based on the world being solid and real when it's not.
	Is it any wonder that the world is chaotic and a place of utter madness?
	How could it not be? How could it not be?
	Understanding the reality that we're experiencing is fundamental to everything.
	How can we understand anything if we don't understand the very reality we're experiencing?
	When you perceive the world to be solid and physical, what comes from that?
	Virtually everything is impossible.
	Well that's not possible, that's not possible, that's not possible.
	Once you realize that the world is malleable because it's just the decoded expression of a malleable information waveform field, then suddenly what is possible absolutely explodes.
	And so much is waiting to be discovered or waiting to be unsuppressed, better way of putting it, that would set this world free and create a paradise, which it could be, instead of a prison, which it is, because the knowledge that I'm talking about is suppressed.
	And so you have people...
	Who are a point of attention within infinite awareness that are all that is, has been and ever can be.
	And you ask them who you are, who they are, and they will say, I'm Ethel.
	I work on the checkout at Tesco.
	That's who I am.
	No, it's not. That's the experience you're having at the moment.
	But it's not who you are.
	But if you think that's what you are, How are you going to live your life?
	I have no power.
	What can I do? And that's what the system wants.
	And that's why it wants to put us in these perceptual prisons.
	I refuse to go there.
	Thank you very much. Alright, so that's question one.
	So, I really want to respect your time.
	We've got maybe five to ten minutes left.
	How about we have a little bit of fun and do something different and do like maybe a quick fire round.
	Go on then. I'll ask like five or six questions.
	We'll get a prize. Yeah, we'll publish you.
	Alright, so quick fire, maybe try and give ten, twenty seconds.
	So, something I'm inspired by...
	With about you is how prolific you are with your work.
	You've done like five books in two or three years.
	How are you so prolific with your work?
	How did you get so much out there? How many books?
	I just sit down here and write them and sit here until they're finished.
	And what happens is that I'll set out with a kind of an idea, because I never write a book unless I'm going to take it further.
	And it usually ends up very different to how it started out, because the information comes to you and the synchronicity comes to you.
	Information comes to you in synchronistic ways.
	Over a period of days you might have a new subject come into your life out of nowhere and suddenly you're coming across information about that subject from everywhere.
	This has happened to me for 30 years and some of the books have been written.
	And so there is another force at work, there's no doubt about it.
	Okay, great. So you've had, it could be perceived that you've had quite varied careers.
	You started with football, got your arthritis, then of course your TV presenting and various different things that you've done, and of course your career now.
	Would you say you've reinvented yourself?
	You've definitely adapted very well in different areas of your life.
	What's your thoughts about how you've had different careers?
	No, it's been a journey.
	And it's been a journey, looking back, that has been incredibly synchronistic.
	I grew up on a councillor stage in Leicester, where people didn't expect much more than go and work in a factory if they could get a job, because there were factories in those days.
	And they thought, you know, small, because that's their perception of what their life was, because they were working class.
	I never accepted that.
	I wanted to be a footballer.
	People said, oh, you'll never be a footballer.
	How many people are footballers?
	I said, I'm going to be a footballer.
	And I became a footballer.
	And again, through a synchronistic bits of, quote, luck that were amazing, I ended up there.
	But then at the age of 21...
	So my childhood was about I'm not accepting the norm immediately.
	I'm not accepting this is what my life's going to be.
	I'll decide what my life's going to be.
	I then went to play football and I got rheumatoid arthritis.
	I had to finish at the age of 21.
	And that was a tremendous...
	Opportunity for me to overcome massive disappointment.
	To overcome the sense of, oh, I'm a victim.
	And saying, no, no, I'm not.
	And I thought, what am I going to do now?
	And I'd always been interested in journalism as a kid.
	I used to read papers a lot.
	I want to front grandstand.
	BBC show, there used to be.
	A sports show. And people say, you'll never front grandstand.
	I'm going to front grandstand.
	And again, I went into journalism and papers and radio and stuff...
	Bits of luck and synchronicity, I ended up front in Granstad.
	Then I started to get sick of television.
	I found it sycophantic.
	I found it up its own backside.
	I lost interest in it.
	Once I'd achieved it, I lost interest in it.
	I got interested in the environment.
	Amazing synchronicity over a period of eight weeks or so.
	It took me from joining the Green Party in the 1980s to being a national spokesman.
	I mean, it was just bizarre, the speed of it and what happened.
	And that gave me an insight into politics.
	And I could see what politics really was.
	It was a waste of frickin' space.
	It's not going to change anything. And then the journalism gave me an insight into journalism, into the media.
	It gave me the ability to write simply, sometimes complex things, because that's the only way you've got to get them in a paper or whatever.
	And so by the time amazing things happened to me esoterically in the late 1980s, Which led me into what I've done ever since.
	I had this...
	This backlog or this back story of experience in the very areas that I needed it to do what I do now.
	And so, when I look back, I don't see...
	I don't see jumps.
	I see a progression.
	Okay? And it was like...
	You've experienced this, you've got what you need for it, now something else.
	It was like some other force has been opening and shutting doors in the maze to take me through.
	And funnily enough, where this whole thing started, which led me to what I'm doing now, I was working for the BBC at the time.
	Was that I was having strange experiences over the period of a year when I was in a room alone.
	It felt like there was something else there, some presence.
	I wasn't alone. And it built up and built up and built up and built up.
	But eventually, long story short, I went to see a psychic for the first time in my life, not telling her anything, just seeing as she'd pick up what the hell was going on around me.
	And she goes into psychic mode and says that I'm going to go.
	And she knew nothing about what was happening to me.
	And she said there's basically a force trying to communicate with you through me and what they're saying is that basically you've been guided through all these different experiences and all these different careers to be led to this moment.
	And this was in March 1990 and from now on you're going to go out on a world stage and reveal great secrets.
	You're going to face enormous opposition but we will always be there to protect you.
	And that there is a vibrational change coming that is going to awaken humanity from its slumber because there's a story that has to be told from its coma.
	And many, many other things, every single one of which by now has either happened or is happening.
	And so when I look at my life from the perspective of now, which is coming up to 66, but that's just a number anyway...
	I see that it's been a process.
	And one of the things that I was told through this psychic in 1990 is all this has been planned before you even came.
	So where it ends, we'll see where it ends.
	But where it's gone so far is exactly where I was told it would go nearly 30 years ago.
	Wow. Would you say you're a controversial figure?
	Yes. Contrarian?
	Well, controversial, yes.
	Well, in a world of madness, what is the point of not being controversial to a world of madness?
	I mean, in a world of madness, being called mad is a compliment.
	You know what I mean? So, I am controversial, but it's amazing.
	How little it takes to be controversial today.
	It's like Orwell said, basically, in an authoritarian world, telling the truth is a highly controversial thing.
	He said different words, but that was the theme.
	And of course, a revolutionary act, he called it.
	Telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
	In a world of deceit.
	So, of course, I'm controversial.
	If I wasn't, I wouldn't be doing what I do.
	Sure. Your best and worst advice you've ever been given, if you can think of something?
	Best advice. My father, when I was a kid, he said, David, you're never finished until you tell yourself you've finished.
	It doesn't matter what anyone says about you.
	It doesn't matter how bad things get.
	Until you accept you're finished, you're never finished.
	So that was the best advice I ever had and that came very handy when all hell broke loose in the early 1990s.
	The worst advice I've ever had?
	I don't know.
	Try curry, I think, was one of them.
	People love curry and they're absolutely addicted to it.
	But not for you.
	Yeah, it don't do a lot for me, really.
	Alright, and then finally, the key word of this podcast is disruptive.
	What does that word mean to you?
	Disruptive. If something solidifies, it basically doesn't change.
	And if it's something that's not good, well, that's not good, that it's solidified.
	And we have a society that's solidified.
	There's so many gimmies.
	And what I mean by gimmies is that things are accepted as if, well, that's how things are.
	And One of the greatest forms of mind control is familiarity.
	Because when something becomes familiar, it becomes a gimme.
	And gimme things are not questioned.
	They're accepted. For instance, taking a child who's just come into this world at the age of three or four and putting them through that sausage machine all day, five days a week, for all the formative years, called education, actually programming, that's a gimme.
	Well, that's how things are.
	Kids go to school. Yeah, but take a deep breath.
	Look at its effect.
	Let's question it.
	And when you start questioning the gimmies, questioning the solidification of accepted how things are.
	That's my daughter. Perfect timing.
	Perfect timing. Brought her up well.
	Then, of course, you need to disrupt...
	The solidification for things to be changed.
	And if you want a quiet life, anything for a peaceful life, then nothing's ever going to change.
	You have to disturb things for them to change.
	And when you disturb things, they go into a state of flux before they reform in a different way.
	So you can have...
	A perception of disturbance is, oh no, I don't want change.
	Or you can have a perception of disturbance, which is a very positive thing.
	Because unless you disturb what needs changing, it won't change.
	Thank you. So finally, where can we follow you?
	Where can we find your books?
	And where would you like us to go?
	Can you just tell my daughter?
	I'll be a second. Or press the thing and let her in.
	We'll have a quick one.
	Yeah. All right.
	DavidIke.com is my main website where there's news of putting context of events every day.
	There that people can get the 10-hour all-day talk that I did.
	They can get the books and they can get all the details of where I'm speaking just coming up now.
	The tickets are almost all gone in every city that I'm speaking in.
	That's the interest. That's the change that's taking place.
	David, thank you very much.

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