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Jan. 27, 2021 - David Icke

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It's Time To Wake Up - David Icke Talks To The Talk Junkies Podcast

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	♪♪♪ Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to Talk Junkies,
	where today is a very fantastic day for me.
	This is something that I thought would never happen in my lifetime, because the guests that we have on today, I've been following for years, honestly, and it's just a pleasure and an honor to have this gentleman on our show.
	David Icke, welcome to Talk Junkies, man.
	That's a real pleasure, mate. Yeah, no, the pleasure is mine, man.
	Like I said, I've been into your research and watching videos on you for, I'd say, close to seven years, man.
	It's just been a long time.
	Kind of helped jumpstart me into my journey on trying to find knowledge.
	But, man, it's going to be a quick, packed hour.
	And I just want to start it off, man.
	Why are you here doing what you're doing at this very moment in your life?
	Well, you know... I see life as an eternal journey of consciousness.
	And I'm now, like everyone else, having a brief experience called human, but I came from somewhere and I'll go to somewhere else, like all of us will.
	And I look back at my life in all its stages now, from the perspective of what's happened, And it's pretty clear that, for whatever reason, I came to do what I'm doing now.
	The years, the decades, up to when I became aware of and went on this 30-year-now journey, when I look at it, it appeared to be a series of random experiences, but there weren't. I wanted to be a professional soccer player and became one.
	And then I had the enormous disappointment at the age of 21 of having it finished through arthritis.
	And I was emotionally devastated.
	I had nothing else to do.
	And you learn to overcome adversity and just get up and get on with it.
	And all the way through my childhood, while I was pursuing a football career, I was also fascinated by journalism.
	I was always reading papers and looking at the way that stories were constructed.
	And so when my football career finished, immediately, okay, you can't feel sorry for yourself.
	It's done. People, what worse off?
	So what are you going to do?
	And I went to journalism with newspapers and radio and television.
	And that gave me an insight into the media and communication.
	And then I became a national spokesman for the British Green Party.
	And I saw, it wasn't for that long, thank goodness, but I did see on the inside a number of things.
	A, how politics works and how irrelevant it is changing anything.
	And secondly, I also saw, which has become very, very relevant now, the mindset That is behind this human-caused global warming and Extinction Rebellion and all this kind of mindset.
	And then I had a phenomenal experience or series of experiences which blew the top of my head off and set me on this journey.
	And I went through the most enormous ridicule in Britain because of what I was saying and what I was doing in the early 1990s.
	And that set me free of the biggest prison that most people live in, which is the fear of what other people think.
	And so that set me free so that when information came along subsequently, which I didn't know at the time was coming, there wasn't a problem in, well, if I say this, what are people going to think of me?
	So you just say it.
	You just do it. Because of that experience of...
	Mass historic levels of ridicule, really.
	It really was. And you come through it stronger.
	And then, you know, one of the things that happened in 1990, after a year through 1989 into the spring of 1990, whenever I was in a room alone, I felt I wasn't alone.
	There was like some presence there.
	And I ended up seeing a psychic, a professional psychic in March 1990, simply to see if she would pick up what the hell I was feeling around me for a year.
	And at that point, This psychic started telling me I was going to go out on the world stage and reveal great secrets.
	And that I would face enormous opposition, but quote, they will always be there to protect me.
	And a load of other things, which is actually exactly what's unfolded.
	One of the things that was said in 1990 was that I would be, from that point, guided to knowledge, and at other times knowledge would be put into my mind directly.
	And all I can say is, pretty much from that time, that's exactly what's happened.
	And then all this information is coming towards me synchronistically with personal experience, people I meet, books I come across, documents, whistleblowers, all of it in different parts of the world.
	And it basically presented a picture of where the world's being taken, who by and why.
	And now we come to present events.
	And, you know, since the start of 2020, it's become Pretty obvious to most people, though far from all, that the world is not like they thought it was and something very, very sinister is going on.
	So when I look back at that sequence, it's pretty clear that for whatever reason I came to do this.
	And so I'm here doing it and will continue to do it until I leave this world and start exploring another one.
	Hell yeah, man. It sounds like you've overcame a lot of adversity, which is actually really good.
	You talk about your two major things, the one being when you were 21 with your football career.
	And then again, you said 1990 or was it before that?
	It was 1985, something like that, with the interview where people were ridiculing you and you've surpassed that?
	No, 1991 was the interview.
	All hell broke loose in terms of ridicule after that.
	Yeah, because a lot of people just go into the darkness after that kind of thing happens.
	Whenever they're publicly, if there's any kind of ridicule or backlash or anything like that, a lot of people disappear and stop with what they're doing.
	I love the fact that you've just overcame that and been like, no, I'm going to keep doing what I do.
	And if anything, you said that it's made you stronger because you've gotten past that fear.
	It's just defeated a roadblock for you.
	Yeah. In the early 1990s, amid all the ridicule, I... I kind of, by that time, had started to realize that life is not three score years and ten.
	That's just a human experience.
	It's eternal. It's forever.
	And I thought, well, the worst thing I can do if I go with this, this urging I have to go with this, the worst thing I can do is absolutely mess up one short little experience called human.
	So I thought, I can handle that.
	So I'm going to go with this and see where it goes.
	It's looking at life in a completely different way.
	It's seeing the long game.
	Because if you self-identify only with the labels that we give, and I'm a man, I'm a woman, I'm a this race, that race, or this sexuality, that sexuality, you see life in a certain way, in a very limited way, because you are self-identifying with basically limitation.
	When those labels are not the eternal nature of who we are, they are experiences which the eternal nature of who we are consciousness is having.
	And so when you come from the self-identity that I am the consciousness having that experience, currently a brief experience called human, then Things that intimidate you or frighten you into compliance, even mass ridicule, take on a completely different light.
	Because instead of, oh, this is everything, what's happening to me, this is everything, it becomes, well, this is just an experience.
	And there'll be another one along in a minute.
	And I can handle this experience until another one comes along in a minute.
	And so you don't cave in the same way that you would if you didn't have this long game perspective.
	So, you know, I knew intuitively from pretty much from the start, after this transformation in 1990, That this was leading somewhere.
	Don't ask me how I knew.
	It's knowing, which is something that's well beyond thought.
	And so when the ridicule came, it helped me to get through that experience because I knew it was leading somewhere.
	And so, okay, this is now, but it's not forever.
	And you would have thought that was crazy because having been a well-known television presenter in Britain, To then go through that level of utter ridicule, you would think, well, that's unfinished.
	He's never going to come back from that.
	But you do. And, you know, I've used this analogy about life.
	This is what I mean by the long game.
	You're going down a river in a canoe.
	And you can only see the next turn on the river.
	But other levels of ourselves, that which is the consciousness having the experience, that can see the river from source to sea.
	So what to you, at any point, like the mass ridicule, is an isolated experience?
	To the greater picture, it's just a step on a journey.
	And so when I was going through that ridicule, Obviously, I thought this is leading somewhere, but I didn't know where.
	But it did lead somewhere, and this is the point.
	It led somewhere, not despite The ridicule, but because of it.
	Because it gave me something in terms of leaving the prison cell called Fear of What Other People Think, which has allowed me to do and say things ever since, which, if you feared what other people thought, obviously, you wouldn't do and say.
	So, you know, you can see life as a series of individual happenings, or you can see it as a chain of events leading somewhere.
	And the question is, are we going to go with that somewhere where this is leading, or are we going to let fear And intimidation and wanting to be part of the crowd to stop us doing that.
	Because how many people in this world, i.e.
	most of them, have this war between What their mind and their emotions say and what something here says.
	How many people think, I'd really love to do this.
	Oh, hey, what will your mother think?
	What about the people at work?
	What will be the consequences?
	What will people say if you do that?
	And so it's this chatter in your head which is often stopping you doing where this is saying, go, this is for you, go.
	And what I did in the early 1990s is I thought, well, you can chat all you like, mate, but I'm going with this.
	And it's led somewhere.
	An interesting phenomenon happens, well, to me anyway, probably about 93, 94, is this war ends when your head, if you like, sees this process of following your knowing, your intuitive knowing. And it sees that, yeah, you can get into some scrapes, because this is not seeing the world and reality the way this is seeing it.
	So it's going to be at odds.
	It's going to be at odds with mainstream society.
	But what this observes is that if you go with it, you may get into some challenges, but it works out in the end.
	And it works out not despite the challenges, but because of them.
	And then this fusion happens where your head and your heart start...
	Speaking the same language, and the war ends.
	So when my intuition says to me, you need to do this, I need to do this, my head doesn't say, whoa, whoa, what about all these things?
	It goes, okay, let's go. And it's a wonderful feeling because the war's over.
	I don't mean you don't get challenges, you do.
	But the war within you, one thing pushing one way, one thing pushing the other, it ends and it's a freedom beyond words.
	So whenever you're trying to accomplish something like that on a massive scale, for 8 billion people to try and allow that to happen, how do we get there?
	Because we're really big on this channel.
	We're trying to expose the corporate oligarchy for what it is.
	But when you have a mass propaganda campaign that's going on worldwide into all the populations, how do we achieve something like that on a mass scale?
	Well, there's many levels of this.
	I mean, one of them is you can only do your best because you can't do any more than your best.
	It's not possible. And so circulating information to inform people of what's going on and what they need to know is obviously what needs to happen.
	But, you know, there has to be also a shift In human perception on a much deeper level, there has to be a shift in human self-identity.
	Because we live in a reality with basically two worlds in it.
	There's the world of the population, and that is limited in terms of the knowledge it's allowed to have, not least of reality, true nature of the eye, and absolutely where the world's being taken.
	And then you've got this other world of secret societies and semi-secret groups, etc., which I call the global cult.
	Which systematically passes over knowledge, it doesn't want the public to know, through this secret society network, the inner cause of it, ultimately, with the most advanced knowledge.
	And this other world knowledge is basically, again, two things.
	Knowledge of where the world's being taken, keep it from them, but also the nature of reality and the nature of the eye.
	Because what it wants to do is to isolate human awareness consciousness in the five senses in effect.
	It wants people to perceive everything through the five senses and to You perceive reality, everything from that level.
	Because once you do that, that focus of attention is disconnecting people from the greater self.
	The very focus of attention.
	I mean, it's a simple thing.
	If you really focus your attention, if I focus my attention on what's in front of me now fiercely, The rest of the room disappears.
	Only that exists because of my focus.
	And so the more you can focus people on the five sense reality, the more you're pulling them out of the greater self, which is absolutely essential.
	I mean, you can see the way that society is structured to limit knowledge and to limit awareness and how the whole...
	Perception of the eternal self is marginalized.
	It's always esoteric nonsense or whatever.
	So that people Can go through an entire lifetime without even asking, who actually am I? Where am I? What is this place?
	They just kind of go through life without often asking those questions, because they have to stay in that prison cell, that perceptual prison cell, if this is going to en masse manipulate people.
	And so people like that have no filter.
	They're so focused within the five senses that all their information, which is giving them a fix, which is producing their perceptions and giving them a fix on the eye and reality and world events, is actually coming from this other world via the media, via the education system, which this world set up through people like the Rockefellers, J.D. Rockefeller and so on.
	It's coming at them through politics, which this controls.
	It's coming at them through the big pharmaceutical cartel in terms of health, which this controls.
	And so basically, it's a perceptual prison that's been created.
	And it's a self-policing prison in the sense that Programmed to believe what this is telling them about reality, this narrow band of possibility, that anyone that wants to step off what I call the postage stamp consensus and start to explore beyond it or question beyond it, well, not only are they targeted by this other world, they're targeted by the people who've been programmed by this other world.
	To believe in this narrow band of reality.
	And in 2020, all these things have become so blatantly obvious.
	We have now a massive hoax going on with this pandemic and all these fascistic impositions But they couldn't be imposed only by this world.
	Not enough of them. They couldn't even be imposed by the law enforcement, controlled by this world, which they recruit from the target population.
	It has to be manipulated through control of perception Whereby people will not only do whatever authority tells it without question, authority ultimately this other world, but it also polices other people that don't want to accept it on behalf of this other world, which it doesn't even know exists.
	And so if you look around now, I mean, you know, I live on an island 23 miles across just off the south coast of England.
	And The police have issued today a diabolical statement on its Facebook page here saying how they're going to fiercely police this whole Covid fascism.
	But they put a link on the page that people should go to to snitch on their neighbours and to tell them of anyone who's not basically complying with the fascism.
	And so The target population is also, much of it, is also policing the target population.
	You know, I've said years ago, we've been manipulated to out-sheep the sheep because at least the sheep need a sheepdog to keep them in line.
	Humans have dispensed with a sheepdog.
	We police each other. We're doing it ourselves now.
	Yeah, it's never been more obvious than it is now.
	And if you look at all this from a whole perspective, what we're talking about is control of perception.
	Because perception becomes behavior.
	And collective behavior becomes human society.
	Perception is everything. And perception comes from information received, and that's why we've got all the...
	The censorship going on now to control information to control perception.
	So if you are trying to introduce a vaccine, actually not a vaccine, actually a fake vaccine, it doesn't meet the criteria of a vaccine, and information is circulating that's making people go, oh, hold on a minute, I'm not sure about this.
	Well, what you do is you don't argue your case and show that you're telling the truth.
	You silence that which is exposing it because you want to control perception so people will have the vaccine That you want them to have.
	So, where's the answer?
	The answer is in people changing their perceptions.
	And all you can do is put information in front of people that challenges the perception programming information.
	And people then have to decide what they're going to do with it.
	Because, you know, you can't force perceptions on people.
	But you can put information in front of them which would influence their perceptions and give them another way of looking at a situation rather than what is coming out of authority.
	But where this goes from here is absolutely down to whether perception changes in enough people or whether it doesn't.
	Because Unless that changes, nothing else can change.
	Because what is human society?
	It is human collective perception made manifest.
	So if human perception changes, human society must change.
	If human perception doesn't change, human society can't change.
	And so that's where we're at.
	And again, it's also about taking responsibility.
	This other world, which is made up of a fraction, a fraction of the target population, cannot impose its will on that population unless the population acquiesce to it.
	And we got into this mess in 2020 because people have acquiesced to it.
	And if we stop doing it, then we'll go in another direction, but not until.
	Do you think...
	And that's the best way to put it is that you can put information in front of people, but you can't make them change your mind.
	And you mentioned at the beginning of that answer that, you know, all we can do is our absolute best to put that information in front of people.
	Do you think it's possible for the infamous they, the global elite, the global cult, whatever you want to call it, them?
	Do you think it's possible that they make a misstep and cause more people to awaken, for lack of a better term?
	Because they've so masterfully crafted this.
	We talk about it a lot on the podcast, the pain versus pleasure response that's within every human.
	If I have a thumbtack right here and I press my finger into it and I get a cookie, well, that's not worth it.
	That hurts too much for just a cookie.
	I don't care about a cookie. If I press into a thumbtack and I get $100,000...
	I'm going to do that all day. I can take that pain.
	And they have somehow masterfully crafted this 51% versus 49% pleasure versus pain where they can take and take and be this overarching overlord and hit us with only 49% pain but we get that 51% pleasure.
	But I feel like The older I get, the more I see, I feel like they're riding that line and they're about to topple it themselves.
	Do you think it's possible that they make a misstep and end up causing more people to wake up to what's going on?
	Or is it solely on us?
	Well, I think they already have.
	You know, because I've been doing this for so long, I've seen the depth 30 years ago where you couldn't fill a phone box of interest with this is what's planted for the world.
	And I've seen it grow and I've seen it grow.
	I saw it grow significantly after 9-11.
	I saw it grow again. After weapons of mass destruction were not found in Iraq, people start to think, hey, you know, this thing about, you know, politicians lie to us.
	Well, actually, it's not just some esoteric kind of naval contemplating kind of mantra.
	It's actually true. Look at it.
	But still, it was a small minority compared with the general population.
	This is what I would say the situation is.
	I said this years ago, that eventually this Agenda.
	This force is going to have to break the surface and put itself on public display for a simple reason that you can only manipulate under the radar for a while, because if you want to transform human society at some point, it's got to be transformed in front of people's eyes.
	And they have a name for it, of course.
	The Great Reset is the latest one.
	And when they break the surface and people start to see it, and anyone with a modicum of awakeness can no longer be in denial that the world's not like they thought it was, then they have a race.
	They have a race to lock everything down, not least technologically, Enough people have seen this in your face transforming of society to the point where the thing starts to unravel.
	And so they've had a problem in the sense of, yes, they've had to break the surface, but once they have, then they have to get this locked down quickly, literally locked down in terms of global control.
	And so they've had to move real fast.
	Once they broke the surface with this vaccine hoax, in early 2020, they've had to move very, very quickly.
	And in moving quickly...
	And in seeking to move quickly, they've had to make, clearly to anyone, again, with a modicum of intelligence, ludicrous excuses for it.
	They've had to lie.
	They've had to contradict themselves.
	And all these things have been enormous numbers of people that weren't before.
	And they've gone to this stage, we're at this stage now, where, in my experience anyway, I mean, nothing like the number of people who are starting to see it, at least on one level, there's never been like this before.
	I mean, you know, I talked earlier about mass ridicule.
	I would go down the street and people would be laughing at me.
	Now I go down the street or go out for a walk and people are stopping me.
	I want to talk about this information.
	People from all different walks of life.
	So there has been this big change.
	It doesn't make sense, mate, does it?
	What's going on? So that's very encouraging that we've reached that stage.
	But the next stage is very, very challenging for people.
	And that's to go from I can see it So I'm no longer cooperating with it.
	And that takes, in current circumstances, it takes backbone, it takes courage, it takes determination.
	But that has to take place.
	It has to go from I can see it to I'm not cooperating with it anymore.
	And until that happens, symbolically people will be on the other side of the street seeing it happen and realizing why it's happening.
	But they won't have crossed the street and engage with it, or even more important, disengage from it by ceasing to cooperate with them.
	When we have a mass movement doing that, then we've got a chance.
	Because protests are great in the sense that they are an indicator of public opinion, public feeling, the number of people that are for something or against something.
	But protests alone, where you turn up, you protest, and you go home and carry on as before, still cooperating with your own enslavement, I think will change anything.
	And much more powerful than even a mass protest is large numbers of people saying, no, I'm not going to wear a mask.
	Damaging my health. It's designed to rewire my psychology.
	Of course, I'm not wearing a bloody mask.
	And I'm not going to do this.
	I'm not going to do that. Because in the end, when you're dealing with heading towards 8 billion people, being manipulated by at the core of the core, at the core of the core, you get them in a room.
	Then the mathematics alone show you where...
	But only if you express that and use the power of numbers.
	To stop that happening, they have to divide and rule the target population.
	This is what all the massive funding of BLM by the billionaires is all about, of course.
	Dividing people on the grounds of race so you can set them at war with each other so they're not actually in unity, seeing what's going on and saying we're not having it.
	But it's absolutely vital That people do move from just seeing it to ceasing to cooperate with it.
	So from a personal point of view, I decided back in the spring with the first lockdown, but I didn't really decide it.
	It's what I am.
	I wasn't going to wear a mask.
	I wasn't going to social distance and I wasn't going to go under house arrest.
	I'm going to go out when I wanted. And I have done ever since.
	And because one thing's absolutely certain.
	If you cooperate with your own enslavement, you're going to be enslaved.
	It's real simple. And what I've been trying to get across is, look, I know that it's intimidating for people.
	Because, you know, if you look at a human life, not only is it a long sequence of downloading perception right from the start, but it's also programming people to fear authority and to be intimidated by authority.
	Because you come out of the womb and within three, four years, you're sitting at a desk in school.
	And the authority figure is telling you when you have to be there, when you can leave, when you can eat, when you can talk, what to believe.
	When you can go to the toilet.
	And there are consequences for challenging that.
	And there are carrot and stick consequences for doing what you've been told.
	And this goes on all the way through your education.
	Then you go out to work and your teacher becomes the boss.
	Now you've got to keep the boss happy.
	You're intimidated by the boss.
	What would the boss say? And then you've got law enforcement, et cetera, and so on.
	You've got local states and councils telling you what you must do and you must conform to.
	And it's all systematic.
	It's all psychology. They get into this mode of, by reflex action, being intimidated by authority.
	So I absolutely know why they are intimidated and why they find it very difficult to conceive of refusing to do what authority says.
	But what I've been trying to get across is, again, think the long game.
	Because if you think it's bad now, this is only where we are now.
	If you think it's bad now, what's it going to be like for your kids and your grandkids?
	What's it going to be like for you a few years hence when this stuff is really, really making Orwell look like a sissy in terms of the world that he described?
	We make a stand now and we stop cooperating or that's what's coming.
	And again, it's down to individual choice.
	Are you going to do that?
	Or are you going to just wait and wait and wait and hope it will go away?
	It ain't going to wait. No.
	And that's what's waiting down the road.
	I can't look my kids in the eye and my grandkids in the eye and do anything but do everything I can to challenge and expose this.
	I couldn't sleep at night if I did.
	Yeah. And so I'm just kind of curious on how the last part of that, just about the education and how you kind of got into that.
	And it's very interesting how you put it.
	I never really thought of it that way.
	And this is kind of just like a side question to it.
	But do you think that, let's say that, you know, it's a critical moment in time right now and somehow we do awaken ourselves to what the situation is and it turns for the better and we don't go the other route.
	What kind of... I guess what I'm trying to ask is, do you think something like anarchy would work, like the true definition of anarchy?
	Do we really need an overarching authority at every point in our lives telling us, hey, this is how it needs to be done?
	Or do you think something like anarchy or true democracy is the right route?
	Well, I'll tell you my philosophy online.
	Do we need an overarching authority?
	Absolutely not. But I tell you what's interesting in terms of the programming is that they've not asked me for a long time now, but over a period of years when they thought it would be a good laugh, I was invited to speak and debate at the Oxford Union, at Oxford University, which is kind of set up like the House of Commons debating chamber.
	And the students debate on a motion and they bring people outside to debate that motion.
	And what they do is they give you a bowl of soup or something beforehand and one or two students are around the table and they're asking you questions and stuff before the whole thing starts.
	And I was talking about the very subject you brought up.
	And what I found very kind of, well, not shocking, but Very indicative is that none of them could conceive of a world in which there wasn't some overarching authority structure dictating events.
	It's so part of it.
	Well, how could that work?
	Well, it depends on the level of consciousness, you know.
	There's a level of consciousness In which you need laws to say you can't do that.
	Because people will do it.
	But if you get to a certain level of consciousness where people would even think of doing that, then it's a completely different world.
	The level of consciousness is what controls it all.
	My philosophy on life, personally, is do what you like so long as you don't impose on anyone else.
	That's it. So people say, well, what if you wanted to murder people?
	Well, hold on a minute. I do think that's imposing your will on other people.
	And if you break it down, do what you like, so long as you don't impose it on anyone else.
	So, you know, that is the mechanism by which people express their freedom and at the same time have the respect that they're not imposing that Upon other people.
	So, you know, if people want to go out into a quiet place and do things and they're all agreed they want to do them, well, you know, for me, do it.
	It's an experience. And you'll learn from the experience, I hope.
	And you'll go on another different kind of road of experience as a result, whatever.
	But I get interested when things are being imposed on other people.
	Now, if this cult...
	Wanted to go to a part of the world and run its technocratic fascism.
	And everybody was absolutely delighted to be part of it.
	Well, you go and do it.
	But when...
	You start saying, this is what I want and I'm going to impose on you.
	That's when I get interested because that is what needs to be challenged.
	Otherwise, the strongest in whatever way, economic or physical or whatever, are going to dominate the rest.
	And that's not acceptable to me and I'll challenge it.
	You know, all these things, all this fine detail, you must do this, you must do that, oh, you can do that.
	I mean, the number of laws that they bring in, and it's all about control, and they're not necessary.
	So, you know, my answer to that question is we don't need an overarching authority.
	We don't. I'm a great believer in the diversity of power.
	What you have, the more points of decision making you have, the less chance there is of some central cabal to dictate everything.
	And if you are subject to the decisions that are being made, you're more likely to make sensible, reasonable decisions.
	But if you're some faceless bureaucracy who's never been anywhere near the places they are dictating control over.
	So I'm all for diversity.
	I mean, you know, I'm not against all some, you know, Network of cooperation that coordinates cooperation between people.
	But that's of course not what centralization of power is about.
	It's not about coordinating cooperation between diverse groups of decision making.
	It's about being the decision maker from the center that everyone else has to follow.
	So I'm absolutely against structural control and structural even, you know, government on the level that we have.
	It's ridiculous. It's completely bloody unnecessary.
	It's so great to hear you say those words because it's something that all three of us, and Jesse's not here today, but all three of us have been saying.
	And not that I don't need any kind of reassurance from someone else.
	I don't believe in echo chambers.
	I don't believe that you should have to have someone else saying the same thing as you to validate your point
	But it is nice that there are other people out there who have that thought process
	Because we say all the time our big mantra here is that the only law should be the human law of
	You should be able to do anything you want as long as you don't harm any other person and stop them from doing
	anything They want it's that simple. What are you describing you?
	You're describing basically the whole foundation of common law.
	It shouldn't be more complex than that.
	No! Absolutely!
	If you look at common law, which basically says, in whatever form, do no harm, then that's the only...
	I mean, what is that saying except what I've just said?
	Do what you like so long as you don't impose on anyone else.
	So... What they've done, of course you will well know this, is created a system of statute law, which is law of contracts, and they have overridden the very simple, and all genius is simple if you break down through the complexity that's there to hide the simpleness of genius.
	The genius, simple nature of common law, and it's overridden it with this, well, beyond explosion of statute law and regulation.
	And so when I eventually, and probably very soon, we'll see, come face to face with this whole system of COVID fascism, I'll go down the road of common law.
	I'm not going to engage with them on their statute law because that's the law of contracts between corporations.
	And, you know, if you said to people, you know your police force is a private corporation, they'd say, no, no, no, it's part of the government.
	No, no, it's a private corporation.
	And the courts? Oh no, that's the government courts.
	No, no, private corporation.
	The House of Commons in Britain is private corporation.
	The government, like the government of other countries, is a private corporation.
	And they have to be private corporations because through statute law they are contracting between corporations.
	So if I don't accept that I am some Corporate entity, which they manipulate us to self-identify with in ways that are explained at length by people who are into common law, then if I don't contract with a police officer, then he has no jurisdiction over me because...
	I'm not contracting with him, and he is a, in effect, if you break it down, he is a private security guard or security employee of a private company called the police force, whatever the name is.
	And so if I won't contract with him, then he has no jurisdiction.
	You know, it's like me not contracting with Apple.
	If I don't contract with Apple, then Apple can't take money out of my bank account.
	Because there's no contract. And, you know, it's the same thing.
	And they've done this all to totally obscure common law, this genius simplicity of do no harm.
	And we need to get that back.
	And we need to refuse to go down their statute law, corporate contract law road, because that's where they get their power from.
	And where did they strive for this power?
	And it's just a question that I had, and I'm glad that kind of segued into that.
	But you talk about the spider web and what the spider is, and I was just kind of curious on a lot of your research, does the spider, you know, the entity that you talk about, does it have a consciousness?
	And if so, what is the goal of their consciousness?
	I know that's kind of a weird question, but just put your thoughts on that.
	No, it's a very good question.
	It's a very relevant one. Well, everything is consciousness.
	Everything is conscious.
	Everything that exists is part of a vast, infinite expression of consciousness.
	But not every part of that consciousness is equally conscious, or equally in the same state of consciousness.
	This is where the great variety and diversity of human and beyond human experience comes from.
	So if you get someone who has compassion and has empathy and integrity well that's a certain state of consciousness and it's a very balanced state of consciousness and it's a certain frequency of consciousness but if you're a psychopath then you have a very different state of consciousness It's a very distorted state of consciousness, a very chaotic state of consciousness, which doesn't have empathy, doesn't have compassion, because that's not what that consciousness expresses, because it's in this chaotic, distorted state.
	But it doesn't mean that it's stupid.
	It doesn't mean that although it has a totally different ambition and what it seeks to do, Maybe very different from someone in a state of more harmonic compassion, empathy, integrity.
	It's still quite capable of pursuing its goal.
	And, you know, you would say to two people, tell me about a psychopath.
	And they say, oh, they're crazy people, and they do this, and they're, yeah, okay, so why?
	Because of the state of consciousness.
	But as we've seen with many psychopaths, they may be in a very distorted, chaotic state of awareness, but they're not.
	They can be very, very clever on an intellectual level.
	And they can be very aware how to manipulate people.
	I mean, psychopaths are often very, very skilled manipulators.
	And we're dealing in this other world with extreme levels, almost indescribable levels of psychopath.
	So if you are in a psychopathic state of consciousness, there's certain things you want to happen and want to make happen.
	And if you're in a more harmonious, loving, compassionate, empathetic state of consciousness, you want different things to happen.
	So we're dealing with a state of awareness that is beyond psychopathic.
	And so what it wants, what it's seeking, what turns it on, Is control.
	Is suffering.
	It's imposing its will on other people.
	And that's what we're dealing with.
	You know, they're insane on one level, absolutely.
	Otherwise they wouldn't want what they want.
	But they have an intellectual...
	Awareness that can be very clever and what it's doing is seeking, as psychopaths do, seeking to understand the psychology of the target and then using that knowledge of that psychology to manipulate the target.
	So this whole direction of human society Not least in 2020 to present time, which is moving towards more and more control, more of imposition of will, more abuse of the population, is classic psychopathy.
	And that's what we're dealing with.
	And so why do they do what they do?
	Because that's who they are.
	And this psychopathic, what I've called in the books archontic for reasons I go into, consciousness, is what is purveying right the way through this cult.
	You see it through people like Gates, you see it through people like Fauci, you see it through...
	The Rothschilds and the Rockefellers and all these different people.
	The Kissingers. You see this psychopathic consciousness and this psychopathic ambition that comes with it.
	And so they will all be basically connected to the same consciousness and therefore they act in the same way.
	And what they're trying to do Because that state of consciousness is a very low vibrational state.
	When you get into those real psychopathic levels of consciousness, they're very, very heavy, low vibrational states.
	And what they're trying to do is pull humanity and absorb humanity into that same state.
	So the more that they can pull humanity into low vibrational states of emotion, like fear, anxiety, depression, all the suicide that's gone on through depression in this period, they want to bring human consciousness, the target population's consciousness, into the realm, the frequency realm that they operate in, and basically assimilate them into the same state of consciousness.
	That's what's going on. Feed off that, basically.
	Yeah. And, you know, it's interesting, you know, as I've gone through the years, and I've met and talked at length with shamans from different cultures.
	I've looked at all the different religions, whether, you know, it's Christianity or Islam.
	I've looked at the writings of the so-called Gnostic people.
	And It's not the differences that strike you.
	It's what's the same.
	And when you do that, you see an amazing common theme of a non-human force, non-human in terms of non-human Embodied in what we call a human body.
	A non-human force manipulating human society.
	And Christianity calls them demons.
	Islam calls them jinn.
	The Gnostic belief system calls them archons.
	The Zulu belief system in South Africa calls them Chittahuri.
	And they're all these different names, but actually the same force.
	And they're described in similar ways, this unseen force manipulating human society.
	And, okay, unseen.
	How come? How come we can't see them?
	Because, again, you know, you don't teach to the mass of the people the nature of reality.
	You don't want them to know that.
	That's your worst nightmare.
	And when you break it down, what people think is the world where, you know, they're looking out into the world and whatever they're looking at, they can see everything in the space they're looking at.
	What this world actually is, is a tiny narrow band of frequency called, in terms of visual, the visual world called visible light.
	And visible light is a tiny fraction of a wider frequency The electromagnetic spectrum.
	And, you know, according to many scientists, the electromagnetic spectrum is about 0.005% of what exists in this universe, in matter, energy, all the rest of it.
	And visible light is a fraction of the 0.005%.
	Some scientists go as high as the electromagnetic field being, or spectrum being 0.5%, but it's fricking tiny, wherever you go, it's tiny.
	And that smear of that electromagnetic field is our visual world.
	So on that basis, almost everything that exists, we can't see.
	And so suddenly, being manipulated by a force, a consciousness, whatever, that we can't see, becomes perfectly bloody logical.
	We can only see a certain frequency that operates outside that frequency, thus we can't see it.
	When you're on channel one on the television, you can't see channel two.
	Why? Because they're on different states of the dial, or points of the dial.
	You know, the old analog radio system, you have all the frequencies interpenetrating each other, but because they're on different frequencies, they don't interfere with each other unless they're very close on the dial.
	And so, symbolically, you can't see them, the others, When you're tuned to one, and then you tune to another station, and now you're hearing that station.
	But the station you were on before has not disappeared, still there, doing exactly what it was before, but now you're not tuned to it, so you're not aware of it.
	This is the very simple nature of how this whole thing works.
	So suddenly, oh, that bloke's bloody mad.
	He says we're being manipulated by things we can't see, become, well, actually...
	Almost everything that exists we can't see, by the way.
	And this cult, this global cult, is actually the in-our-reality frequency band representative of this consciousness that I'm talking about, which, you know, Chittahuri, archons, demons, whatever.
	And it's their vehicle.
	So when you, as I have so many times, investigated these major players over the years going right back to the 90s, and you find that so often Satanism comes up and Satanic rituals.
	And so these people may be, you know, crazy, but they're not stupid on that level.
	They're not going to be doing rituals to something that's not there.
	What they're doing their rituals do in these satanic situations is to these gods as they're perceived.
	So if you go way back into Babylon and all these ancient societies and you find that these...
	I mean, people have no problem.
	Oh yeah, they used to sacrifice people to the gods in those days.
	Oh yeah. Okay.
	So what were these bloody gods then?
	Why were people sacrificing their fellow humans to the gods?
	Who are these gods? And again, when you go around these different societies, you find that, okay, they were using different names for their gods, quote.
	So anthropologists and people come along and they say, oh, this was these gods, and they worship these gods and all that stuff.
	Then you go, hold on a minute.
	Let's just look at these gods and how they're described.
	And again, you find...
	All the same. Very compelling, common themes that actually they're talking about the same force, but they're obviously in different cultures giving it different names.
	And so they were openly doing these rituals and these sacrifices in the ancient world, but then as humans became a bit more mature, it became totally unacceptable, they went...
	Underground, but this force, this network, this often a bloodline interbreeding network too at its core, that's passed through what we call history, has continued to do what was done at one time in public.
	They're doing it in In secret.
	This is where your Bohemian Groves and all this stuff comes out.
	And why? People I've spoken to over the years, who've been insiders and got out of it, have described how these very, very famous people, people that they say you see on CNN, as one said to me, you see them on CNN every day.
	Not just the presenters, but the people that are being reported about.
	People have told me I attended rituals that they were taking part in.
	And often what you find is that people who were brought into the ritualistic level of this cult...
	Who were completely unknown at the time.
	Then suddenly, boom! They become famous people.
	Maybe politicians in the entertainment industry.
	So this whole cult is a, in our reality, manipulation system for this consciousness that operates outside of our visual reality.
	That's a good way to put...
	That is probably the most logical definition of that that I have seen explained.
	I'm really big on...
	I'm not a big spiritual person.
	I do everything I base.
	I try to do it a lot of logic, a lot of rationality.
	And I just want to thank you for putting the most logical and rational spin on that kind of thing.
	Talking about basically... The multiverse, the different frequencies, the fact that there is more there that we can't see, and you did a great job of giving an analogy with the TV, with the radio, that you can logically explain something like that.
	So I appreciate that. And then I have a weird out-of-left-field question for you, just because I don't want to...
	I mean, not to take...
	All of this has been super important, so I don't want to surpass on the importance
	of everything that was said.
	I also just kind of want to ask you a random question, because we're an informal podcast,
	and I just want to get to know, and I want the viewers to know David Icke the person,
	and not just David Icke the ideal.
	What would your last meal be in this world, in this frequency?
	What would David Icke's last meal be?
	I'm the fuckers.
	I'm not bothered.
	I'm not bothered. You know...
	Again, when you play the long game in terms of your perception, then death is a transition of perception of awareness from one frequency of reality to another one.
	So, With the body, this is our vehicle to experience this band of frequency.
	Because our consciousness is vibrating at a frequency which would make it impossible for me to pick that up.
	Because the frequency of the glasses is completely different to the frequency of my consciousness on that level of true awareness.
	So I couldn't interact with this world.
	So we take on these outer shells within the same band of frequency resonance as the world we want to interact with, and we can do that.
	So what we call death is that which is having the experience Basically withdrawing from the vehicle of that experience.
	So the end of this life, for me, is just a continuation of infinite exploration of forever, forever.
	So the last of and things like that would never really occur to me because it's just withdrawing from one experience and transitioning into another.
	Another with much more expansive awareness because what the body does is it decodes reality, it decodes information within this band of frequency, this tiny band of frequency.
	And that's why we appear, and not only appear, we are kind of mesmerized by this world of the scene.
	Because the body is constantly processing and manifesting and decoding information within that band of frequency.
	And like I said earlier, if you get totally focused only on the five senses, basically your awareness almost becomes a passenger.
	Of the body's processing system.
	Information processing system.
	And that's what this cult wants to do.
	It wants us to bring us only down to this level.
	But when you have a self-identity, I am the awareness, having the experience, then you have another level of seeing the world, and not just that, which the body is decoding for you within this certain band of frequency.
	And so death is...
	Continuation of life. So I don't really go for the first or the last because it never ends.
	Gotcha. That's a good way to put it.
	I had to ask. I had to mix it up and throw something else out there.
	Well, we're a little bit over an hour.
	I have one last question if you have the time.
	Yeah, sure. I think for me, the biggest thing, and again, what we see is all propaganda, but a lot of people...
	I guess what I'm trying to ask is like the IRS, because that's where it all started for me, basically, you know, that no one ever questions the IRS, whether it be your mainstream news media.
	You never see them talking about it.
	You never see the president talking about the IRS or the corruption of the IRS. What are your thoughts on the IRS? And are they part of the spider?
	Massively so. If we come down to a definition of freedom, people say, I want freedom.
	So what is freedom?
	Well, if you break it down, freedom is choice.
	The more choices you can make, the freer you are.
	And the fewer choices you can make, the more enslaved you are.
	And in the world that we have constructed around us, money is a massive dictator of the level of choice.
	So if you have lots of money, you have lots of choices that people with nothing don't have.
	And so then you connect this to the survival mechanism.
	In the brain, like the reptilian brain, which is constantly scanning the world for threats to survival.
	Not just threats to physical survival, and what we call life survival, but threats to a relationship, threats to a job, maybe I'm going to lose my job, threats of losing money, or threats of not having money, not being able to make the rent at the end of the month.
	And these are all expressions of the survival mechanism.
	And what we've seen in 2020 is the massive manipulation of that survival mechanism, which is there's a deadly virus, and if you don't do what we tell you, you may not survive, that has triggered this survival mechanism.
	And so, because money is so part of the perceived survival mechanism, will I have the money to pay the rent and put food on the table, etc., anything to do with money impacts upon this survival mechanism.
	And this is massively part, psychologically, of why people are terrified of the IRS. And in this country, the inland revenue, they call it.
	Because the more money I have, the more I associate that with more chance of survival.
	And these organizations threaten to take that away if I don't do what they say or I don't comply.
	Thus, they are...
	Infiltrating or threatening my chance of survival and So if you want to get people in fear Or you get people in fear what they then do is look Outside of themselves for something to protect them from what they most fear Once you get people in fear they'll give their power away to anything or anyone they think will protect them and one of the ways People think they are protected from people like the IRS and the Inland Revenue in Britain is compliance.
	I must comply. I must do what they say.
	I must treat them like some kind of, you know, monarch in terms of like, oh, I need to conquer against them.
	And this gives them tremendous power.
	And, of course, one of the things that is threatened of many politicians over the years, if they're speaking out, is...
	Excuse me.
	If you go on doing that, you're going to get an IRS audit.
	And that's enough often to make people comply and shut up because of all this interaction between money and the perception of survival in the survival mechanism of the brain.
	And it's You know, people are frightened of the bank or the bank manager wants to see me.
	Why? Same thing. And this is used mercilessly to manipulate people.
	And it's going to be carnage, of course, economically when the...
	Well, you'll hear the crash on Mars eventually after all what's happened in 2020.
	Yeah, I mean, six trillion dollars spent and then Biden's about to be in office.
	He's about to spend another two trillion.
	I mean, that's over like 30 to 40 percent of the money printed.
	And I believe in and what we have.
	So, I mean, it's nuts, man.
	It's just crazy times.
	And this is the point.
	This is the point, because like I said, these people are freaking evil and evil is just if you look at the evil, it's it's it's it's live written backwards, which is very appropriate.
	But the evil is just a distortion of consciousness.
	It's a very distorted state of consciousness.
	That's why it's evil and it doesn't do what love and a balanced state of consciousness does.
	Because it's a distortion.
	That's what evil is. But it's not stupid.
	Very, very clever.
	Very devious. And what it's doing at the same time It's demolishing the independent livelihoods and employment of the population and independent businesses, demolishing them with lockdown.
	And what it's been doing, though this is going to come to an end, and when it does, that's when you'll hear the crash on Mars.
	It's been giving certain amounts of payments in this country, you know, a certain percentage of your income.
	If you are theoretically employed and your business has been told it can't open because of lockdown.
	But with each new lockdown, more companies have actually closed for good.
	And at that point, you're no longer going to get what they call furlough payments because you are theoretically employed by this company because the company's gone.
	So more and more people are losing this and they're going into the unemployment benefit, which is pittance.
	But in the massive amounts of money, theoretical money, that governments have been spending, not just in payments because of lockdown, but also massive amounts of money to advance this agenda of the COVID hoax, money no object. They're doing two things, you see, this cult.
	On one level, they're destroying the independent livelihoods of the population, so they become dependent on the state.
	And on the other level, they're destroying and making bankrupt, even more than they were before, these states.
	So they're targeting at the same time, although it may not seem like that, it's an interaction between the state and the population.
	No, no. Actually, it's an interaction between the cult and the states and the population.
	And they're bankrupting both of them at the same time.
	To create a situation where the perceived only way to respond is for the cult in all its forms, like the global banking system, etc., to come in and save the day by transforming the world into what was planned all along.
	Yeah, the Great Reset, you know, a one-world government.
	And that's been talked about since George Bush Sr., you know, and I think that's when it started getting really big, was just him saying, you know, it's a new world order.
	And every president's followed suit, in America at least, to, you know, perpetuate that idea.
	And I think that that's coming to fruition.
	Like you said, you've been predicting this stuff for a very long time now, man.
	And If we don't turn things around, and I guess we can leave it at that unless Johnny has one more question.
	We said what would happen if we went on the positive side.
	What is the future state of the world if they do get a grasp of the new world order does exist and it is going to happen?
	What kind of world are we looking at?
	Well, if they get what they want, you're looking at a world in which artificial intelligence will be connected to the human brain and will become the human mind.
	That's the idea.
	Is that inevitable, though? From a human perspective, is that not inevitable to become one with transhumanism?
	Well, it's inevitable if we go on as we are.
	And it's inevitable if people don't realize where it's leading.
	On purpose. You see, you've got people like Ray Kurzweil, the Google executive, who's predicting all this AI control and where AI becomes the human mind, openly saying it.
	And he's saying, oh, you know, when that happens, we'll become superhuman.
	We'll become like the gods.
	Well, we won't become superhuman.
	We'll become subhuman and poshuman because that's the idea from the bigger picture.
	Because, you know...
	Here's a question.
	What is AI? What is it?
	People don't ask that question.
	Well, on one level, yes, it's algorithmic AI. On another level, it's a level of AI which constantly learns and assimilates knowledge.
	And, you know, people should realize that while they complain about their privacy being...
	Deleted by your Facebooks and your Googles and all the rest of them.
	Actually, that's only one level of it.
	Because all the things you post on the internet, from what you've had for your dinner to your political opinion, is being assimilated and fed into AI. And so AI is building up a colossal understanding Of what makes humans tick, how their perception works, and thus how to manipulate them.
	But that's still not the ultimate AI. I said earlier that, you know, this manipulating force, in its base state, is consciousness.
	It doesn't even have form.
	It's a distorted state of consciousness.
	And so what is ultimately AI? And by technologically connecting us to that AI, what are they connecting us to?
	And what I've suggested in the books over the years is that this level of AI that I'm talking about is actually this consciousness.
	And by connecting us to it, technologically, it can assimilate human consciousness into itself, which has been the plan from the start going way, way, way, way back.
	We go on as we are, and we don't understand that's the game.
	And we think, oh, Lord, I've got the latest phone.
	Oh, wouldn't it be great, you know, have a microchip?
	Oh, wouldn't it be great? Yeah, I've seen your brain.
	It's already happening to some people.
	And they don't realize why.
	It's like, let's have the vaccine, but you don't realize why, which has to do with actually a part of all this.
	Then it will unfold.
	Because we come back to perception again.
	But if we go down another route, this is a wonderful opportunity.
	You know, the Chinese have a word meaning danger and opportunity, apparently.
	And it's right that they are describing the same thing.
	Because we've been manipulated by this force right the way through Nomi Ministry.
	And it's just got more and more power, more and more control, and that's where it is where it is now, but it's been doing this manipulation all the way through.
	This is why these secret societies and stuff go back so far.
	But we have the opportunity now because for the first time it's stepped into the room where anyone with a brain can see it.
	So it's also given us the opportunity to bring an end to this nonsense for good.
	And how do you bring an end to it?
	You cease to vibrate on the frequency of it.
	Because just with radio stations, where you've got different frequencies and never the twain shall meet, so it is with this consciousness, this consciousness, as I call it. If you're not within its frequency band, it cannot manipulate you and What it can do is work through those who are in its frequency band And try to affect you that way through law enforcement,
	through snitching on your neighbors in the situation we face now.
	But it can't directly impact upon your awareness because your awareness is vibrating outside its band of frequency.
	And in that way, you disconnect from its control.
	And that's why it's always trying to keep people in a low vibrational, fear-based, anxiety-based, depression-based, psychopathic-based, Level of perception, because then we are going to be in its vibrational layer and able to be manipulated by it, but not if we go beyond it.
	And this is the key reason why it wants us to self-identify the I with the labels of the five senses and not Self-identify with that level of self that is vibrating vastly beyond this prison cell vibrational frequency in which this cult operates.
	A lot of information and a good way to put it.
	Did you have something else, Paul? Yeah, just real quick.
	I mean, we had a guest on last week, or a couple weeks ago, named Howdy Mikowski.
	And we're trying to find the origins, you know what I'm saying, of the indoctrination of America, at least.
	And if you look back to the World's Fairs, it's a very interesting concept.
	I don't know if you've ever looked into it.
	But in his theory, there was a cataclysm somewhere in the 1700s, 1800s, and there's some history that's missing.
	But he suggests that there was a time on Earth where humans, there was more harmony, and we vibrated on a different frequency, on a different level, where things were not necessarily utopia.
	But just better. And he suggested that a lot of the cathedrals and these massive monuments have this amazing energy where he thinks that maybe back in the day, just for an example, you didn't need a doctor because you could go into this temple and you could just heal yourself that way.
	Well, I'm with that theme.
	The ancients refer to something called the Golden Age.
	This was an age when humans were very different, and you can get evidence of that.
	Human consciousness as it's become, human perception as it's become, is not what it was in what they call the Golden Age.
	And this whole theme of cataclysms, I've written in my books about that many times, And I would relate a massive change in human consciousness, I say this, you can pretty much chalk back the takeover then, to a colossal cataclysmic happening in the heavens, which has come down through history as the War of the Gods.
	And, you know, this is going to sound fantastic to a lot of people who haven't come across it before.
	But Saturn, which is the real, along with Orion, is a big focus of this cult, Saturn.
	You know, the chief god of Rome, ancient Rome, was Saturn.
	There's Saturn symbolism all around us.
	If you know where to look and what it is.
	I've got it up there actually.
	It's a very rare book now.
	It costs a fortune if you want to buy one.
	It's not in print. It should be.
	It's by an American researcher called David Tolbert and it's called The Saturn Myth.
	And what David did was look around all the myths in all the different cultures of the world, ancient cultures.
	What they said about Saturn.
	And it's a phenomenal piece of research because the common themes were blatant.
	And the symbolism, symbolism that, you know, what's that mean?
	What's all that about? You start to understand that they're symbolizing Saturn.
	And I say this will sound fantastic, but there's many ancient myths and legends about the time when there were two suns.
	The Earth had two suns.
	The one we have now and another one.
	And the other one was Saturn, which is actually a form of Sun, even now, gives off more energy than it receives from the Sun, as does Jupiter, of course.
	And that Saturn was phenomenally closer now, or then, than it is now.
	And it was the central, if you like, focus of people on the Earth, and it became the god.
	Because if Saturn was where it is now, when all these myths all around the world were focused on Saturn, then how do you explain that?
	It's a dot in the frickin' sky!
	But you have all these myths about Saturn, and all this whole legend system about Saturn all over the world, because it wasn't always where it is now.
	And what is clear, Velikovsky, Emmanuel Velikovsky talks about this in the 50s, and David Tolbert's done a really great animated video explanation of this on the internet, where there were great cataclysms, and a number of the planets started moving around because some massive event happened.
	Mars became part of this, and the Mars we know today, apparently dead Mars and all that stuff, relates back to this.
	And, funny enough, way back in this research, what would it be?
	Ninety... Ninety-four?
	Maybe? Ninety-five?
	I started researching this basic theme, and It started then, as this other information came, started to fit together.
	Because I read a book back in the 90s called The Day the Earth Nearly Died.
	And it was two researchers.
	And what they did was they looked at all the ancient myths of a time of fantastic cataclysm on the Earth.
	And this locks into things like the Great Flood and all that stuff.
	And then they looked at the biological and geological record of the Earth to see if that in any way matched what these legends say.
	Because these legends and accounts of the great Earth cataclysm, and you see it talked about in terms of the end of Atlantis and Lemuria or Mu, these myths about this cataclysm are very, very common. In their themes all over the world.
	It's like an ancient kind of memory.
	Which fits in to what Tolbert has been talking about and Velikovsky was talking about.
	That actually there was this massive cataclysmic situation in the heavens.
	It affected Venus and Jupiter.
	Big time Saturn.
	Which ended up changing positions.
	And you know, when you come down to the purely astrological level, what is astronomy?
	Why are we affected by the planet's movements and the movements of the stars?
	And this will come into what I'm going to say.
	Well, because everything Whether it's the human body or whether it's the Earth, whether it's a planet, whatever it is, we see its holographic, illusory physical expression, but it's absolutely based on an information field, a consciousness field.
	Call it an information field.
	So, these different planets have different information fields.
	And we live in a massive field, just like Wi-Fi, if you like.
	Like a cosmic internet, I call it.
	And we are interacting with this field all the time.
	So we have an electromagnetic field.
	People call it the human aura or whatever.
	And it's interacting with the wider field.
	And it's through this field that things get connected.
	This is where the whole thing of extrasensory perception comes from.
	Where people are communicating and don't realize that they've been communicating.
	Where you think of someone, and suddenly the phone rings, that person's on the line.
	It's communication going on through this field, electromagnetically.
	And so, as the planets are moving around, and they are information fields in and of themselves, very, very powerful ones, obviously.
	As they move in their cycles, they're changing the field.
	And these different astrological sequences, your trines and your conjunctions and all this stuff that astrologers talk about, is simply an expression of when these different fields of consciousness information are in certain relationships to each other, The sum of that impact on the field is far greater than the
	individual parts.
	That's why they talk about great conjunctions and what have you.
	Just add one on the 21st of December with Saturn and Jupiter.
	So, where I'm going with this is this.
	The planetary situation as it was before will have had a certain effect on the field and a certain effect on consciousness because of the nature of the way that the cycles and positions of those planets were affecting the field.
	Well, when this cataclysm happened and the planets went walkabout, not all of them, but some of them, then their impact on the field dramatically changed because it wasn't impacting it in the same way.
	And so the field changed dramatically as a result of that.
	And we're interacting then with a different state of the field, informational state of the field, vibrational state of the field.
	And that will affect our consciousness.
	It will affect our awareness.
	It will affect us in multiple different ways.
	And that kind of makes sense to me that that would at least partly explain, only part, this shift that took place From the so-called Golden Age, when you're absolutely right what you were saying, the consciousness was very different, perception was very different, thus the world was very different, human society was very different, and then suddenly it changed dramatically.
	And I've charted this through in the books, and you can take it back to a point where Consciousness didn't just change.
	You would think that human perception, human behavior would kind of slowly evolve, maybe.
	But there's a point where it just shifted in a ridiculously short time that is not explainable in the normal course of events.
	And that's, for me, the point where human perception started to be hijacked.
	In the way that it's been taken through to present time.
	And, you know, this has been planned for so long.
	And because we need to see the difference between what we perceive as the human timeline of events and the unfolding of that timeline in terms of human society and The quote timeline of this outside of this reality.
	So we are now moving towards obviously a high tech world of what is perceived as highly advanced technology.
	This other force in its various expressions has known about this When humans were knocking rocks together.
	It's only in this timeline, this human timeline, within this band of frequency that we've seen this progression from knocking rocks together to high technology.
	But the high technology and how to create it and how to use it has been known outside of this timeline all along.
	And what they've been doing, I go into this in the books in detail, some of them, Is they have been bringing through human awareness in a very controlled way, at best that they can control anyway, whereby they have been working to make at least large numbers of humans intelligent enough to build their own prison But not wise and expanded consciously enough to see that that's what they're doing.
	So they've been focused, as is the education system today, on the left side of the brain.
	And it's basically, it's technology, it's this world, it's seeing everything apart from everything else.
	And it's been bringing people to this point Where they could work with this technology and they could interact with this technology and use this technology without actually having the expansiveness of consciousness to see what the hell was going on.
	And, you know, if you look at how this technology has unfolded, there's not been a time, especially since it kicked off in earnest, Where people have been sitting at a table, strumming their fingers, waiting for some geek in a garage somewhere in Silicon Valley to invent the next stage that they needed for the next stage of control.
	It's just seamlessly flowing out, and it's got quicker and quicker and quicker.
	And you know, I saw a BBC series, two-programmed series about Silicon Valley.
	It was BBC, so it wasn't very good.
	But what it did show was a sequence at one point Of garage doors in Silicon Valley.
	And it said this technology was invented by this garage door, and this was invented by this garage door.
	And I'm looking at it, and I'm thinking, I bet there's someone in the shadows saying, hey, chaps, too many garage doors, mate.
	You've got to think of another cover story.
	Because, or they'll suss it.
	Because... The reason this technology has flowed out and got more and more advanced, quicker and quicker and quicker, is because it's being transferred out of these other unseen dimensions into this one.
	And it's that transfer conduit is beyond top secret underground bases and other secret projects.
	And what they need are cover stories and cover story people to explain to public consumption how this next level of high technology got into the public arena and how the next level did, the next level did. And you people like your Gates and your Zuckerbergs and your Brennan Pages at Google, etc.
	These are just front people.
	They're front people for this inner core to bring technology and companies into being as part of this whole control agenda.
	So here we stand at this point where what has been planned all along, control of humanity technologically, and they have to bring us, like I say, to a certain point of being able to be intelligent enough to work with this technology so we can build our own prison.
	We're at this point now where they want to finish the job of completely manipulating and controlling, or not even manipulating, controlling human consciousness via AI. But we're also at a point, and this is what the wake up is all about, where people are waking up more and more from that limitation, what I call cleverness, It's very clever to make an atomic bomb.
	It's not very wise to do it.
	That's the difference. They're waking up from this cleverness that's been downloaded to them in this sequence I'm talking about.
	And they're starting to gain wisdom.
	Wisdom comes from an expansion of consciousness.
	And so we're at this point now where a continued expansion of consciousness Into the true eye and out of this vibrational prison cell can transform everything.
	And if it doesn't, the long-term plan will continue.
	And that's the fork in the road that humanity now stands at.
	We'd better make a decision which way we want to go.
	We'd better make it pretty damn quick.
	I completely agree, man.
	I'm just convinced now that it's not military bases.
	The garage doors, for some reason, are the transference points.
	Maybe there's something about garages where they're just like, yeah, this is where everything hops over from the other vibrations.
	Garages are built like temples for stuff to just come over.
	It's funny. You see in the media, Mark Zuckerberg has decided to do this.
	Have you seen him on Capitol Hill with his eyes caught in the headlights coming straight?
	The idea he's running Facebook and this bloke Dorsey at Twitter is insane.
	They're front people. And it's the military intelligence complex and, of course, industrial corporation complex that's actually driving the whole thing.
	And this is where the technology is coming from, seamlessly, because it has been sitting there.
	This is why, you know, you see old sci-fi films coming out of Hollywood in which they're using technology that's now commonplace.
	They know it's sitting there waiting to come out.
	They're just preparing us for it.
	Yeah, this is how people like Aldous Huxley with Brave New World and even Orwell in 1984 who they had connections into this other world.
	Orwell had connections because of his background.
	I'm not saying, you know, Orwell was a vehicle of this other world.
	No, no. But he knew about it.
	He knew about it.
	Huxley knew about it.
	And that's why Brave New World and 1984 could describe technology and Ways of manipulating people chemically and in terms of genetically.
	All those years ago, I mean, Orwell wrote his book in 1948.
	It was published in 1948.
	Huxley published Brave New World in 1932.
	But you see, you've got this world I was talking about, where the population lives, and you've got this other world.
	And this other world has a completely different level of awareness, and thus technological possibility, long before this world, it gets transferred over to this world, before this world even understands that's possible.
	So you had the telescreens, etc.
	in Orwell's world, you had the manipulation genetically of a non-procreation,
	procreating human race in World State Hatcheries, which is exactly where they're going.
	This fusion of gender is all about, nothing to do with, you know,
	must be nice to transgender people, it's to do with the process of removing gender from the human race.
	uh... it's confusing gender on the road to fusing gender Yeah.
	And these what's in these vaccines is part of that as well.
	They want to change the body from a biological state to a synthetic biological state, and the reason they want They're now saying, I said they would, these COVID fake vaccines every year is because, cumulatively, they're into this transformation of the human body from a purely biological state to a synthetic biological state.
	This is why synthetic biology is a whole burgeoning area of science now.
	But they knew.
	I mean, I quoted a guy in my books some time back, particularly in one called Phantom Self, called Dr.
	Richard Day, who was a Rockefeller insider.
	He was an executive of Planned Parenthood, a Rockefeller organization, of course.
	And he stood up in 1969 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania at a meeting of pediatricians, like a conference of pediatricians.
	And he shocked them by saying, turn off recording equipment, don't take notes, because basically I'm going to tell you how the world's going to change.
	Why he did this, I don't know.
	I'm glad he did, because it was very instructive.
	And he then described in enormous detail, and in Phantom Self I'd go into what he said in detail, how the world was going to change.
	And there was one paediatrician called Lawrence Dunnigan who did take notes and later he did some interviews with an internet website about what they said that night because he was seeing that it was happening.
	And what they described in 1969 was the internet.
	He described the internet, the World Wide Web as it became.
	He described how they were going to make boys and girls the same.
	He described how they were going to inoculate disease through vaccination, how they were going to have a massive economic crash and they were going to transform the human society.
	And what he described in 1969 was technology that simply wasn't available then, some of it not even thought of.
	And he described in very, very precise detail, really, What is now called the Great Reset all these years later.
	Because if you're part of this world, then you know what's coming long before this world is even vaguely aware of it.
	And it's the same with technology.
	And that's why it's seamless in terms of playing out.
	I've never thought of it that way.
	The technology thing doesn't catch me off guard one bit.
	We've talked about it several times, and it's always the example I've never thought of as a different frequency or a different plane, you know?
	But the thing that I've always talked about is, or the example I use, is the B-2 stealth bomber, which was officially announced in the 80s in America.
	It was like 1982 or something like that, the B-2 stealth bomber.
	But people had sightings of it in the early 1960s, like 1961, and they thought it was aliens, they thought it was something else, whatever, and it was this stealth bomber the whole time, and you're talking, this is from 62 to 82, which is a 20-year span.
	Imagine the difference in technology 20 years from now that they already have now that we're just oblivious to, but there's these people that know about it kind of thing.
	And I just never thought of it as coming from this different vibration or this different frequency.
	Yeah, that's where it's coming from.
	And when you look at Brave New World and Aldous Huxley, what he was talking about there was like sci-fi big time in 1932, but it's where it's very clearly going now.
	They want this synthetic biological human to not procreate.
	So they no longer need men.
	Hence, one major reason why there's this a attack on men and also why sperm counts are plummeting around the world, not least in the West.
	And why it's been pointed out by medical professionals that There's a good chance that this vaccine will manipulate the body to attack the reproductive...
	Sterilized people, basically.
	Yeah, sterilized people. And that fits why sperm counts are plummeting.
	They want an end to human 1.0, you might say.
	Bill Gates came out and said it.
	Bill Gates came out and said it in a TED Talk like five years ago.
	He wasn't hiding it.
	Like you said, they put it out there for everyone to see.
	Yeah, and so, you know, this is all part of it.
	And here was Orwell, sorry, Huxley, describing this agenda unfolding today in 1932.
	That's because, I say again, this world has a completely different timeline and technological knowledge than this world is allowed to have.
	Crazy. So sorry, one more question just for Jesse because he's not here.
	Again, he had to work and I'm very sad that Jesse couldn't be here for this historic moment for Talk Junkies.
	But he is an avid Alan Watts listener.
	He loves Alan Watts. And I've been reading your book and I know you've referenced Alan Watts a few times.
	Just for Jesse's sake, what are your thoughts on Alan Watts?
	And then we'll leave that with the last question.
	I think he's great. He has a perspective of what I called earlier the long game.
	He was aware that this is just a brief experience in the endless eternal journey of exploring forever.
	And he was talking about the fact that people had lost I'd lost the awareness of the true self, the true I. They'd lost it in this kind of confusion of what we call the human world.
	So, I don't think...
	I certainly can't recall a single concept that Alan Watts talked about that I didn't agree with and don't agree with it because what he was saying is just absolutely what I've concluded myself over the years.
	I didn't come across him until not very recently, but it wasn't that long ago that I came across him.
	And when I heard him, I thought, whoa, that so syncs with what I've concluded.
	And I think he was terrific.
	And he had this ability to take...
	Kind of far out to most people, esoteric concepts and bring them down into simple language and simple explanations.
	And my favorite, actually, and I've used the video in my talks a few times, was when he was talking about the illusion of pursuing success in the sense of what we're told success is.
	And he described how you come into the world, and then you go into the education system, and you've got to be someone.
	You've got to do something.
	And so you try to get this grade, and then you go to this grade.
	Now you get this grade, and then you go to this school and that school.
	And then you go out into the world.
	You've got to be someone. You've got to do something.
	Got it, got it, got it. And you end up selling insurance.
	And he kept saying, you know, this thing you're striving for, it's coming, it's coming, it's coming!
	And then he says, you get to 40 and you've got the job you wanted in the insurance company or whatever.
	And it's coming, it's coming, oh, it's arrived.
	But this is what you've been pursuing, but you don't feel any different than you did before.
	So What was it all about?
	And, you know, I think you get so many people that they get, you know, late in life.
	I mean, I'm 68, you know, I'm still a young whippersnapper, but, you know, you're getting on.
	And you see people going, what was it all about?
	You know, I pursued this, I did this, I made sacrifices to do this, but what's it all about?
	I mean, they don't feel any different, you know.
	And the idea is this.
	They want to get you in.
	And they want to keep you focused.
	Gotta, gotta, it's coming, it's coming, it's coming, it's coming.
	So you're serving the system.
	You're not deviating.
	You're serving the system. It's coming, it's coming.
	Bigger fridge, bigger house, two holidays a year, it's coming, it's coming.
	And then you drop off into the cemetery.
	And they bring some more in at this end.
	Just keep us on the hamster wheel so we can keep powering everything that they want.
	Yeah, exactly. And by manipulating your perception of success, more money, bigger house, etc., etc., of fame, they are holding you It's like the donkey with the carrot hanging, dangling. It's chasing, it wants the carrot.
	Doesn't matter how fast it runs, the carrot gets no nearer.
	And that's the whole idea.
	It's like being on a carousel, a horse, and thinking you're going to catch the one in front.
	The system's rigged. You're not going to.
	And I remember just finally, there was an advert some years ago on British television.
	It couldn't have been a good advert.
	Well, it was a brilliant piece of concept, but it couldn't have been a good advert because I can't remember what it was for.
	What it was is you had a baby come out of the womb at the start, and the baby came out like a missile.
	I know what you're talking about.
	Flying through the air? Yeah, it did.
	Flying through the air, yeah.
	And as it did so, it got older and older and older until it became an elderly person and went, boom, into the grave.
	And I watched that and I thought, that is absolutely what it's about.
	No one, or very few, some people do, but the system doesn't want you to.
	Stop, take a breath and say, actually, what is it all about?
	What is this goal?
	What is this, it's coming, it's coming, what is it?
	Isn't there more to life than just pursuing the symbols of success?
	And this is another important point.
	I must finish because I'll be going on all night.
	If you can control the symbols of success, like you sell success as a lot of money, fame, a big house, etc., then people who don't get their security from within They're looking for external confirmation of their success, because that's where they're getting their security from, not here.
	From here. How do people see me?
	Rather than, how do I see myself?
	What life do I want to live?
	How do they see me?
	You see this. Hollywood, the entertainment industry, follow these people who are looking for external confirmation because they're incredibly insecure.
	And so if you're insecure but you want this acknowledgement to feed your insecurity, then If you can create the perceived symbols of success, you will get people to pursue them.
	So if you want acknowledgement of your success, you have to succeed with the symbols that the public have been told equals success.
	So going walking in India and living your life quietly and just being what you want to be, That's not perceived as a success.
	And if you want external confirmation, you've got to succeed by those symbols.
	And so you get people chasing these goals.
	They come out of the womb.
	It's coming. It's coming.
	More money. Higher job up the food chain.
	Up the greasy pole. Bigger house.
	Oh, I've got a new car.
	You know, just I've got a new car.
	Oh, he's got a new car. He's successful.
	And so it goes on. And basically, you're the donkey.
	Running faster and faster for a carrot that never gets closer to your nose.
	And that's how they bring them in, keep them focused, keep them in the dark, get them out, get some more people in.
	And this is how it all kind of works.
	You break that sequence by saying, I ain't doing the same.
	I'm not going to pursue success on your terms.
	I'm going to pursue them on mine.
	That's right. I don't need your acknowledgement of my success because I get that insight.
	It's a good way to put it. And hopefully, like you said at the very beginning of the podcast, hopefully we are getting closer and closer to that state.
	And hopefully they, the greater they, keep making mistakes and changing that line I was talking about earlier, that 51-49% thing.
	And that we are able to have the great reset or the great awakening, whatever you want to call it.
	David, is there a place that the viewers or the listeners could go to get your, like, what's the best place for them to get your books, learn a little more about you, all that kind of stuff, you know what I mean?
	Well, there's two.
	One is davidite.com, which is the website where there's news items and videos that I do every day, and they're updated during the day.
	which puts the news and the events into a different context and it's the kind of information that they're desperately trying to censor out of existence and then there's Iconic which is a Kind of an alternative Netflix in a way.
	I'm not claiming it's as big as Netflix.
	It's not. But it's getting bigger and bigger all the time.
	And it was created by my son, Jamie, last November.
	Not last November, but the moment before last.
	And it's become very, very successful.
	And it's got like 800, 900, it must be now, videos, series...
	Original documentaries just brought out one called informed consent in which medical professionals talk about vaccines from a point of view of what they really all are about and also they talk to mothers who've had vaccine injured children and what their experience was.
	And it's a very, very good documentary.
	So we do original documentaries like that through the year.
	And we've got a weekly series, rather.
	My son, Gareth, is just about to do a new series every week.
	And we covered a great spectrum of these subjects.
	Not just, you know, conspiracy, but the paranormal, the nature of reality, all these different things, you know, right down to, you know, things to do with the health of your teeth.
	All subjects, but they're all coming from another perspective outside the mainstream.
	And I'm delighted with what Jamie's done building.
	It's fantastic. That's excellent.
	I was going to say to the people out there that may not know for whatever reason, you delve into a lot more than just the stuff that we have covered on the podcast today.
	It is so much more.
	We didn't even talk about censorship, for example.
	That's one of my favorite things that I've seen your ideals or your thought process on, the great censorship that's happening and all that, and there's just not enough time to get into it today.
	But for those people, they can look you up, and there's so much more out there.
	Yeah. Yeah, well I'm doing like three or four videos a week on the website, as well as all the news stories.
	And they're all different subjects, but like everything else, they all connect.
	They're all part of one gigantic web.
	Yep. And both those websites will be in the link below for people to watch or get a hold to.
	And it's nice that you don't go through Amazon to find your books.
	That way, they don't get all the money for that.
	So that's a beautiful thing.
	But, David, thank you for your time, man.
	I greatly appreciate it once again.
	It's been an honor, man, to have you on Talk Junkies.
	Thanks, mate. Yeah, it was a pleasure.

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