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Dec. 14, 2020 - David Icke
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David Icke Talks To Tania The Herbalist About Covid, 5G & The Great Reset
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♪♪♪ No one said it would be easy.
Easy.
you When you wake up in a world that's fast asleep, when you become sane in a world that is insane, there are going to be challenges.
This is actually a topic that I've been an activist for for many years.
Now we've got a vaccine that's got RNA, like you said, has never been in humans before.
So how does that correlate to 5G, what's happening today, and obviously tying it into Bill Gates?
We're almost at the point where it doesn't matter if there is or isn't because the impact of it on health is so minor in terms of numbers that whether there is or there isn't, a vaccine is not justified.
You know, people can go on hoping it's going to go away.
it's not going to go away. It's going to get worse until we look it in the eye and say we're not
cooperating with you anymore.
Well, thank you for taking the time to chat with me today and obviously highlight your
incredible book that's very eye-opening.
And I want a lot more people to get their hands on it and really hear the depth of information that you share in it.
So I really appreciate your time today.
Okay, no problems. Thank you.
Now, obviously, like I said, I obviously wanted to dive into the book because a majority of really all that you've been sharing about for 30 plus years has highlighted a good chunk in this book.
Now, I've been reading and watching your material for years after having my own awakening about six or seven years ago, so I definitely believe that synchronicity kind of brought us to this interview today.
David, your recent book, The Answer, is full of so much eye-opening information.
And the incredible part is you said that you wrote about 85% of the book prior to COVID. Before I get into really any questions, I obviously wanted to know a little bit more about you and kind of talk about your awakening.
And you kind of briefly talked about that in The Answer.
And you said a line in your book that really stuck with me, and it's, how can you understand anything in the world if we don't understand the nature of the world?
And this is obviously much bigger than the physical world.
And oddly enough, you mentioned a book that I had read myself by Dr.
Alexander, The Proof of Heaven.
And many years ago, when I was actually getting into researching neuroscience and brain placidity, this neurosurgeon is talking about a near-death experience where doctors never thought that he would function normally again after going into a coma.
He had an out-of-body experience and he kind of saw what he says is heaven and the one.
Essentially having his awakening.
So why don't you tell me and us a little bit about your personal experience with your awakening and how you found the all that is, has been and ever can be?
Well, I was minding my own business at the time.
I started out as a professional footballer, then became a newspaper journalist, a radio journalist, a television journalist and presenter with the BBC. And that led me on to being a national spokesman for the British Green Party for a time.
Quite a short time, thank goodness.
And then I had a series of amazing, what you might call paranormal experiences.
It started off with, throughout 1989, if I was in a room alone, then it didn't feel like I was alone.
It felt like there was something there.
And this went on throughout 1989 and got more and more tangible until I was sitting in early 1990 in a hotel room when I was working for the BBC. And I said out into the room, if there's something there, would you please contact me because you're driving me up the wall.
And a few days later, I was in a newspaper shop and...
It was like the atmosphere around me changed as I was standing at the door.
What I now know now is that I was engulfed in an electromagnetic field and my feet were like, felt like magnets being pulled into the ground.
Again, electromagnetic field.
And I heard this very strong thought form, not quite a voice, but close.
Which said, go and look at the books on the far side.
And this is in March 1990.
And in a bewildered state, I walked towards these books and I knew this newsagent shop very well.
The only books they sold were romantic novels for the tourists because it's a seaside place.
And... There in the middle of the romantic novels was a book called Mind to Mind.
And I picked it up and I read the blurb and I read Psychic.
It was the biography of a psychic, Betty Shine, describing her life and how she works.
And it struck me immediately, well, I wonder if this lady would pick up what's been going on around me for the last year.
And so I went to see her and I didn't tell her anything.
I had arthritis and I'd had it since I was young.
And I said to her, maybe your hands-on healing that she used to do, you know, the old Reiki stuff, would help.
And I went on that premise, not anything that was happening to me.
And as I, on the third visit, third and fourth visit is when it really kicked off.
I only went four times.
And I was sitting on a bench in her front room.
She was doing that hands-on on my left knee.
And suddenly I felt like a spider's web on my face, which, again, I didn't understand, but I now know it was an electromagnetic field.
And what struck me was that she said in her book that when other levels of reality are trying to lock into you, you often feel like there's a spider's web on your face.
So I said nothing to her, I just...
I thought to myself, goodness me, this is what she described in her book.
And without me saying a word, about 10, 15 seconds later, she launches her head back and said, my God, this is powerful.
I've got to close my eyes for this one.
And I'm sitting there, new to all this, thinking, what the heck have you got yourself into?
And then she proceeded to tell me what she was being told to tell me, she said, which is that I was going to go out on a world stage and reveal great secrets.
That one man cannot change the world, but one man can communicate the message that can change the world.
And everything that she said to me that day and the following week has happened in the last 30 years.
And one of the, if you like, messages...
Was that, quote, they would from that moment be putting, although I realize it was going on before, I just didn't realize it, but they would put knowledge into my mind and at other times I'd be led to knowledge.
And from the moment I left her home, that is what has happened ever since.
It started out in the early years where I would come across synchronistically, coincidence, streams of interconnected information.
Whether it was personal experience, documents, books, people I met, whistleblowers, whatever.
In a very synchronistic way.
It's almost like some force is handing me puzzle pieces in a puzzle.
Very much in the order that it makes it easier to understand where they go.
And in the early years, I would come across information, names, dates, places, etc.
And I would then conclude...
From that information, what I thought was happening.
But very soon in the process, that switched.
And I would conclude intuitively what the situation was.
And then after that, the information would come, names, dates, places, people, to support the intuitive conclusion.
So that's how I've been working ever since.
And this is where the information's come from over the last 30 years, which unfortunately, and my God, it is unfortunately, has proved to be so accurate with current events.
And I definitely agree with you in terms of an awakening.
It's really the signs are all there.
But when you have your awakening, you see the signs so clear and there's no missing it.
And then the next steps keep showing.
So... I find that so fascinating how you had that.
And I'm sure there's a lot of people that are just missing that exact instant sign to tap into that awakening and how much bigger that force is than us.
Yeah, but the challenge, you see, the challenge is to see the synchronicity and to see what I call the language of life.
The things that happen to you.
What happens to you is talking to you.
It's telling you a story about you, about the world, about the direction you need to go.
And it's whether you see those signs, and they can be obvious and people still don't see it.
And it's also, do you have the commitment to go where it's leading you?
Because I tell you, when you start awakening from the coma that has engulfed humanity for so long, many people still in it, of course, as we're now seeing with current events, but many now waking up from it too.
But when you wake up from the coma and you start being driven by other perceptual states, Other ways of seeing the world.
You are going to do things and you're going to say things that mainstream society think are strange, crazy, dangerous, all of these things.
Because you're now not seeing the world as mainstream society sees it.
And throughout history, those people who have seen beyond The end of their nose.
I've always been the people who've stood out for ridicule, for abuse, even, you know, murder.
You know, just look at what's happened to people in the name of religion when they've questioned the reality, the truth of a religion.
So this has always been the case.
And so now we're in a situation where that is being squeezed even more now, so that you can hardly say anything outside of the mainstream narrative that doesn't get you shut down, doesn't get you abused, and doesn't get you ridiculed.
And so, you know, no one said it would be easy.
When you wake up in a world that's fast asleep...
When you become sane in a world that is insane, there are going to be challenges.
But we need to see those challenges as a gift.
A gift because we've been gifted with being able to see what so many others can't see.
And although that comes with big time challenges, I would rather have them than be continuing
in the coma, which means continuing in a state of unconsciousness is how I would describe
it.
Conscious but only to the senses, not conscious in the deeper sense of expanded awareness.
Because from cradle to grave, this global cult that I've been exposing for 30 years
sets out to put us in that state.
That's what it's all about.
That's what the education system is about.
That's what the media is about.
It's all about putting the human mind to sleep so that it can only see and perceive as possible what authority tells it.
And what we're seeing with current events is a classic parting of the ways Between people who will believe anything so long as authority tells them.
And that's still the vast majority.
That's right. And those that are awakening from that and seeing beyond the illusion, beyond the lie.
And that number is growing fast, which is very encouraging.
And it needs to grow fast because we are facing very big challenges here.
That's right. On the topic of the power of perception that's what's really incredible is when you really understand the simple line of you know what you perceive or believe you achieve and how you say the cult wants you to kind of be in these five senses.
In the answer you talked about how perception is used to control information and control individual experience through this perception and obviously our energy attracts more of that.
Now I usually call it elite but what you call the cult Dictates and controls that structured perceptions by the TV, the media, the education system to manipulate the subconscious mind.
So what could you tell us about the importance of that self-fulfilling genetic prophecy, especially how it really correlates to what's happening today in the systematic programming from everything from conventional medicine, vaccines, masks...
It's a real simple process.
You see, I think genius is simple.
I think genius is something that produces simple things, devastatingly simple things, and that genius is also to see the simple hidden by complexity.
So we have a world that seems incredibly complex, And in the playing out, there is some truth in that.
But at its foundation, it's dead simple.
What you believe, you perceive, and what you perceive, you experience.
We are...
Consciousness within an infinite field of information, of possibility, of probability.
People think of a Wi-Fi field.
A Wi-Fi field contains the entirety of the Internet with all that possibility, all that potential, all that information.
Your perceptions, we bring it down to the most simple level, decide where you go on the Internet.
They decide if you go to this website or that website, whether you go for this subject or that subject.
Your perceptions do that.
You don't just go there.
Your perceptions drive where you go on the Internet.
Well, in the what I call cosmic Internet, perceptions drive that, too.
Everything is a frequency.
Every thought is a frequency.
Every emotional state is a frequency.
And together, all those thoughts, all those perceptions, all those emotional states come together to create a frequency field of information, a frequency field of perception that we call the human being.
And that frequency field Whatever its nature, it could be full of hate, it could be full of love, whatever, is interacting with this field, this quantum field of information, this field of possibility and probability.
And they interact.
They interact. What you connect with, just like Wi-Fi and the Internet, what you connect with in the field of possibility and probability, which is dictated by your perceptual state, will be what you manifest as an experience.
It will dictate the people you bring into your life, the experiences, the locations.
All of it will be dictated by your perception.
And so if you, and this is what the cult wants to do, it wants to put people in these tiny bubbles, these perceptual bubbles that are based on five senses.
Can I see it, touch it, taste it, hear it?
Okay, it exists then. They want to put you in this tiny bubble of awareness.
They want you to self-identify who you are with the labels of your experience.
So I am a man, I am a woman, I am black, I am white, I am this sexuality, that sexuality, I'm this religion, that religion, that's who I am.
No, it's not. It's what you're experiencing.
But the labels that we give for experiences become labels we perceive to be the I. And once you start self-identifying with being the label and not the consciousness having the experience called the label, then you are pulled into a tiny bubble of limitation.
If you look at what imprisons perception, it is the sense of the possible.
The more people say that's not possible, the smaller the bubble that they are condemning themselves to.
The smaller the prison cell of perception they're condemning themselves to.
Because it's, I can't.
It's not possible.
Now, what happens when you expand your awareness and you see the infinite nature of reality, the infinite nature of consciousness, self, the I... Then your sense of the possible absolutely explodes.
And these two states of perception, little me, I have no power, everything's not possible, and I am all that is, has been, and ever can be, anything is possible.
They are going to interact with the field of possibility and probability in very, very different ways.
If you perceive yourself to be little me, Then that is a very narrow band of frequency because your sense of the possible or not possible either squeezes or expands your awareness and the consciousness that you're interacting with.
So little me, I have no power, is a very narrow band of frequency.
It's a very low band of frequency and you are interacting with possibility and probability within that band of frequency.
So what is the feedback loop of perception becomes experience that's going to come from that?
It's going to be very, very limited experience, very limited possibility and potential in your life.
Not because it has to be, but because your perception of yourself becomes your experience of yourself and the world.
Once you start expanding beyond that, Into the realms of consciousness beyond this five sense illusion.
And you start interacting with the possibility and probability on that level.
And this is why when people go through this...
Awakening process, they start to see synchronicity in their lives, coincidences, amazing, you know, what's the chances of that?
They see that because they are expanding their awareness, so they're expanding their interaction with possibility and probability.
And so more becomes possible.
And so instead of, well, nothing ever happens to me, life's ever so boring, every day's the same, it becomes an adventure.
Suddenly possibility and probability are producing synchronicity.
Oh my goodness me, what's the chances of that?
Fancy seeing you here.
Oh my God. And that's what happens.
And people watching this who've been through that will recognize it.
And that's why it's happening.
The more you expand your awareness, the more of the field of possibility you're interacting with, the more that becomes possible.
And now we can see why this cult that understands all this just doesn't want us to know, wants to control perception.
Because it knows if it controls perception, it controls experience.
If it controls experience collectively, it controls human society.
And what has happened in the last few months and, well, many months now of 2020, is these things have come to the surface where they can be seen.
And you can see the blatant manipulation of perception To bring about behaviour.
So if you believe that there's a deadly virus.
A load of bloody nonsense, by the way.
If you believe that going under house arrest will save you from the virus.
If you believe that putting a mask on, which is going to damage your health enormously, will save you from the virus.
Social distancing, unsocial distancing from people will save you from the virus.
Then that is what you will do.
Why? Because you have been downloading the perception that all those things are true.
But they're not.
But because your perception is that they are, you do those things, which are transforming human society exactly as they've been planned for so, so long to do, long before current events unfolded.
And then there are other people who can see through it and are not...
Acquiescing with their own enslavement.
And so they behave in different ways because they have different perceptions.
So everything comes down to perception.
That's the stadium in which the whole thing is played out.
You're right. And speaking of the five senses, like I myself, I've obviously will not acquiesce.
I've never worn a mask. I refuse any of that.
I try to go about my business.
And it's funny because many people don't actually recognize how powerful the electromagnetic field is or even understand that concept.
And one point that you really talked about in your chapter is what is love is you really talked about the electromagnetic field of the heart that's like 5,000 times more powerful than the brain field and how the heart field can be measured several feet away from the body, which is obviously beyond our regular senses.
Now, what can you tell us about this and how it connects with the concept of social distancing that you mentioned?
The heart field The heart chakra, vortex as it's called, which is fundamentally connected to the human heart, is where we really connect to out there.
That's the real connection.
People think about the head, but that's a processor of information, but the heart is what takes us out there.
And so the idea is to close the heart down.
They can't manipulate the heart energy because it's too high a frequency for them, too powerful a frequency.
So they want to shut down.
They want to close the vortex. This is one of the reasons why there's so much heart disease.
Why it's such a killer.
Because this interaction between the vortex heart, the spiritual heart, and the physical heart, It breaks down.
And you know, I mean, I won't go into it now, but just to give you an idea just how extraordinarily misled we've been, I'm just reading a book at the moment.
In fact, I did an interview with him a few days ago in which he talked about this.
And it's a doctor called Dr.
Tom Cowan, who is a thinker massively out of the box.
And one of the things he's saying, and others have said it too, like Rudolf Steiner, The heart doesn't pump blood around the body at all.
It has another function, which is interaction with the heart chakra.
But it's other forces that actually move the blood around the body, not the heart.
And when you read the background, it makes perfect sense because when you break it down, how the heart works, there's no way it's pumping anything.
It's doing something else.
And so this interaction between the heart vortex and the heart physical is very, very central.
And we've been completely misled into what the heart is.
And we've been misled about everything.
Because, I think you mentioned earlier, if we don't understand what reality is, we don't understand anything.
How can we? We can't.
And so we've been misled about the very nature of the I and the very nature of the reality that we are experiencing.
And because the sense of the possible has been squeezed so much, when people like me come out and say, this is how they're manipulating us, the response is, that's not possible.
Well, no. You perceive it not to be possible.
Those who are doing it absolutely know it's possible and are imposing that upon you every day.
Because we live in two worlds.
And those two worlds are basically levels of information.
Two worlds in the same reality.
You have the population and their information is fundamentally limited.
Through the education system, through the media, through government, everything.
It's a limited access to information, which is what?
Limited access to the sense of the possible.
Then you have this other world, which is made up of secret societies all at the inner core, not the outer level, the inner core, all interconnected in the same way.
And they are passing on through the generations the real knowledge about reality and how it works, how perception becomes experience, etc.
So you control perception, you control experience, you control human society.
All these things are passed on.
And... What people like me are doing is uncovering what that world knows and passing it on to this world, which is why, you know, you get so much abuse from people who say that's not possible and you're mad.
But this other world knows it's not mad because that's the information, that's the knowledge they're using to run the show.
And all these things with masks and social distancing It's all being driven by psychology.
It's not being driven by health.
There's no health element in this at all.
It's being driven by psychology to change the perceptions of the population.
Just a couple of words.
That's all they need to manipulate it.
I know that there's even a study that they're doing right now in terms of manipulating how people are going to get the vaccine based on that psychological manipulation of guilt, embarrassment, fear, things like that.
One topic I absolutely have to talk to you about, David, is 5G and the coronavirus.
Because obviously radiation in itself is becoming worse every day.
And we do know of Professor Martin Paul, who has been talking about the health implications on the heart and health of all ages.
And I myself, who originally had a history actually in insurance, knows that Lloyd's, the world's leading insurance company, It doesn't even ensure health claims made against 5G or Wi-Fi technologies.
What could you tell us about this radiation exposure and really how it is and going to affect our lives, our animals, our insects, our plants, nature as a whole?
Well, we've talked about electromagnetic fields and the human body is an electromagnetic field.
Everything in its base form is waveform energy.
And so anything that disrupts that is going to disrupt the body.
The body is an information field, an interacting information field, which is why if you're looking at healing someone, you never look at the problem in isolation.
You look at all the connections which cause the problem.
As someone said to me many years ago, the...
The symptom is very rarely in the same place as the cause because it's an interacting information field.
So imagine a Wi-Fi field and frequencies are introduced that scramble the field.
Well, it's not going to work the same.
The computer's not going to be able to read it and put it on the screen in a credible way as it should appear because the field's been scrambled.
And that's the same with the body.
If that electromagnetic field of information is scrambled, distorted, then it's going to manifest As a, quote, physical disease, a physical problem, or a psychological problem, which also relates, the mind relates to electromagnetic fields on this level as well.
And here we have a human body in that state, a human race in that state, living in a technologically generated state.
Electromagnetic soup.
That is millions of times greater than it was when I was a boy in the 1950s.
So we are now living...
I talked about the way we interact with this field of possibility and probability.
Well, that is being massively distorted at the level that we interact with it.
And thus, it's distorting everything.
And it's a very simple thing.
If you want to control all the fish, or you want to affect all the fish at the same time, what do you do?
You affect the sea.
And you've got them all.
And what this cult has been doing is manipulating the nature of this field.
So... Starts off, they introduce electromagnetic technology, and then they make it more and more powerful, 1G, 2G, 3G, 4G, and now we're on 5G rolling out, and the Chinese have just put a satellite up of 6G, and they want to go on from here.
So, how does anyone think that's going to work out?
When we're being bombarded with ever more powerful electromagnetic fields that are affecting our own electromagnetic field, which was not designed to cope with all this.
And so people like Elon Musk are putting up satellites at a very fast rate now in low orbit.
To fire electromagnetic fields and 5G at the Earth so that they can cover every single inch of it and create what I've been calling now for 20-25 years a technologically generated sub-reality.
The name they give it now is the smart grid where everything is connected to this grid, this cloud, this field.
And, you know, I talked about Interacting with the field of possibility and probability.
Well, what they're creating is a technological version of that, which they are overlaying the real field.
And we're more and more starting to interact with the technologically generated field and not the field, the natural field.
And so everything's getting distorted, including people's minds.
Unless they are awakened, expanded enough to operate beyond it, it's going to start to change the way that they perceive everything.
And one of the...
Well, for a start, I've been saying now since March that there is no virus, that it's all a scam on that level.
And every month that's passed to present day has made me absolutely more convinced that that is true.
But when I said that, and immediately, by the way, I said it in an interview in...
In very early April, I was banned from Facebook.
I was banned from YouTube.
I was banned from goodness knows what else when I said that, because that's the big truth they don't want people to know.
And the way it was reported in the newspapers and the media is that I'd said that the virus is caused by 5G. I'm not saying that.
I'm saying there is no virus.
So how can I say 5G is causing it?
What I'm saying is, and it's true, 5G can affect the body and produce symptoms that are claimed to be the virus.
And there is another level of this, which I've been talking about again since the spring, where this virus is so deadly, they have to test to see if you've got it.
The overwhelmingly vast, vast, vast majority of people who test positive, with a test that's actually not testing for the virus, by the way, as its creator of the test, has said that.
But the vast majority have no symptoms.
Why? Because there's no virus.
But there are some, that I've been talking about again since spring, as I say, that are getting some very strange and extreme symptoms.
And a nurse has just come out in the last few days.
I read the story yesterday in America saying that this COVID thing was a load of absolute nonsense all the way through, but suddenly she's starting to see people, younger people, coming in with blood clots breaking out all over the place.
Now, one of the potential consequences of 5G Is the supercoagulation of the blood.
And another one is that at 60 gigahertz within the 5G range, that frequency interacts with the oxygen molecule and stops the body absorbing the oxygen on the level that it needs to.
So you're breathing in the same way, but you're not absorbing oxygen on anything like the same scale.
And the people, like there was a A doctor from an emergency department in New York Hospital who said quite early on, he did a video on the internet.
Cameron Sadell, yeah.
Yeah, it got taken down.
And that was a very significant moment because he was picking up on this, although I think he realized at the time what he was picking up on.
But what he was saying is that this is not a viral pneumonia.
That's what they were told to prepare for.
This is not a viral pneumonia.
In a plane that's depressurizing.
Or you go to a high mountain without, you know, oxygen equipment.
That's what you'd expect to see in the lungs that he's looking at.
Now, that's not about pneumonia, but it's something that you would see if those people couldn't absorb oxygen in the way that they're meant to.
And you can see the common theme with the masks.
What are the masks doing?
They're denying people sufficient oxygen.
And in a cumulative way, that's going to have major effects on health and psychology.
I was communicating a story about two or three weeks ago by a German neurologist.
Who was saying that she doesn't wear a mask because she wants it to be cognitively sharp when she's treating patients.
She was saying that if you wear masks, and particularly children and young people, the development of the body and the brain means they need more oxygen than older people for that to happen, to drive that.
Then if you wear a mask for any length of time, it's going to start to stop the brain developing as it's meant to develop.
And she's talking about 30 years from now seeing, you know, like explosions in dementia in people of that age if this mask wearing goes on.
And I was researching intensely from about 1996 Well across the millennium into mind control, which is what?
Perception manipulation.
And I was particularly focusing in America on a program, a military government program in America called MKUltra, which many people will have heard of.
It came to public attention in the 1970s.
And someone who was held captive for decades in MKUltra contacted me a few weeks ago and said, I just want to mention the masks.
She said, my daughter, I've met her daughter as well.
My daughter was born when she was in MKUltra.
She was born into captivity.
And she said, my daughter from the age of two, obviously the daughter is in the program from birth, she was forced to wear a mask from the age of two because it took away her sense of individuality.
And it denied the brain in its seriously development phase the amount of oxygen that it needed.
And here we have all these people now all over the world walking around for longer and longer and longer times in masks.
So if you put together this...
of masks, that those together are going to create enormous amounts of ill health.
And you're going to see younger and younger people affected for them to say, oh, it's it's it's covid-19.
And, you know, when I wrote the answer, I said then that at that time, 5G was at the least of its impact
because it was still being just rolled out, still being rolled out.
But of course, more and more places now.
But there weren't that many people with 5G devices.
The more people that buy them and use them, the more the communication beams, signals, between these devices and the source are going to fill the field that we're interacting with.
And so we're going to become more and more affected by it.
And, you know, it's so important for people to grasp The scale of sheer undiluted evil that we're dealing with.
I define evil as the absence of love.
And this cult is the epitome of the absence of love.
They have no empathy.
They have no compassion.
They have no emotional consequence, no matter what they do.
And I'm talking people like Bill Gates, his classic psychopath.
And so people, understandably...
Can't grasp the scale of evil and psychopathy that they're dealing with because they don't normally deal with it.
They've never experienced it in their lives.
But this is what we're dealing with.
And these people have no limits of how they will impact negatively on everyone else.
They see humans like humans see cattle.
That's the dynamic of their perception of us.
And I definitely agree with you in terms of not believing that there's a virus, because even in March, you talked about how, you know, the nation's public health of Britain claimed that the virus is not a high consequence infectious disease, if of course there is one.
And in Britain and in Canada, where I am to date, and other countries, there's actually no more anticipated deaths than there was last year without a pandemic.
You've got them Listing one death as the flu and another one as COVID, so as counting one death as what seems like two or more deaths to inflate the numbers.
And you even talked about how Neil Ferguson, I guess the sociopath of Imperial College, who created the false projections and later retracted to like a fraction of the anticipated death, We're obviously, the media is controlling how this is all being perceived by the public, but the actual pandemic seems like they're canceling operations, undiagnosed illnesses, you know, suicides on the rise, overdoses on the rise.
Why is this extreme needed and what does it relate to with what many doctors, including doctors like Dr.
Kaufman and experts are actually finding in comparison?
Well, people ask the question, well, why would they not have a virus?
Why would they claim there's a virus when there isn't one?
And why don't they just release a virus?
Well, releasing a virus means you immediately lose control of it in many ways.
Now, we're just entering a point that makes that point, and that is the arrival of the vaccine.
There's never been a vaccine for coronavirus, and there isn't one now.
The contents of this vaccine were sitting there before they played the pandemic to justify the vaccine.
Vaccine's about something very different.
It's not about the disease. So if they produce a vaccine for a real virus, well, it's not going to work.
And people are going to say, it's a load of rubbish.
We're not having it. What's the point?
So it has to be made to work or appear to work.
And so to do that, you must not have a virus, only the perception of one.
And so at the moment, they are producing cases, which are not cases with a test that's not
testing for the virus.
It's called the RTPCR test created by someone called Kerry Mullis, who said this cannot
be used, should not be used to diagnose infectious disease because it can't.
But that's exactly what they're using it for.
And they're getting false positives in ways I've described many times over the last few
months and they're calling them cases.
And they're getting the deaths by taking anyone who has tested positive with a test not testing
for the virus, who then dies subsequently of something else.
COVID-19 is going on.
This is how it's being done.
Now, this is the point about making the vaccine appear to work.
The PCR test works with what they call amplification.
Okay. So they'll take a minute piece of genetic material and they'll amplify it and amplify it.
And the more they amplify it, the more of that genetic material is picked up by the test.
And this genetic material is found in vast numbers of people.
Initially, as one doctor said, if you amplify the material enough, you'll get everyone testing positive.
Fauci came out, this Gates-owned mendacious psychopath in America, and said that anything over 35 cycles, and it's a waste of time.
He said this some time ago, of course.
35 cycles. Waste of time.
Meaningless. The National Health Service in Britain is using 45 cycles of amplification with the PCR test, and so are many other countries.
And so they're getting all these...
The more you amplify it, the more the test picks up genetic material in people that relates to genetic material in the sample.
And so they test positive.
And so they've got all these cases.
When they introduce the vaccine, all they've got to do, particularly with vaccinated people Is to lower the cycles of amplification in the test.
Because that's never told. Doctors are never told that this is the test result and it's been amplified this number of times.
No, no. Don't tell them that.
They'll say positive or not positive.
You will have seen, there was a famous singer this week who tested positive in one nostril and negative in...
Erykah Badu, yes.
Yeah, that's right. You know the popular culture better than I do.
And so there's so many people that I've come across over the months who've registered to have a test and have not turned up.
And they've got through the post that they tested positive.
So it's all a scam.
And if you had a virus, then you couldn't do that.
The vaccine would have to affect the virus.
Otherwise it will be useless and be seen to be useless.
But if you're just fixing the figures in the ways I've described and others, then not having a virus is essential to you doing that.
That's why there is not one.
But there is this extreme thing, lung effect, which is not a viral disease, but is connected, I would suggest, to 5G. Right.
And I'm sure that that connects with the, I guess, RNA type of vaccine that they want to come up with because this is actually a topic that I've been an activist for for many years on vaccinations.
You know, ingredients including aborted fetal cells, aluminum, antibiotics, formal dehyde, GMO, so many things, and a never-ending list of side effects including death right on the insert.
And if that's not bad enough, We know that the manufacturers creating and the doctors injecting these into infants, into people in the population are completely indemnified of liability since 1986 after practically going bankrupt from malpractice lawsuits.
Now we've got a vaccine that's got RNA, like you said, has never been in humans before.
So how does that correlate to 5G? What's happening today?
And obviously tying it into Bill Gates.
Well, the The manipulation of the body's genetics is fundamentally part of all this.
They want to move from the present human body, we call it human 1.0, to human 2.0, which is basically a synthetic human.
This is why synthetic biology has just exploded in the science community in recent years.
And this vaccine Will contain sterilization agents because they want to stop the procreation of human 1.0.
This is why sperm counts are absolutely plummeting around the world.
I mean, when I was a kid, you never heard mention of a fertility clinic.
They just never heard it.
And now it's a global industry.
There's a reason for that.
And at the same time, they want to transform the human body as it is, the biological human body as it is, to a very different form, a form that will not be able to procreate.
This was described by someone who knew Aldous Huxley in Brave New World in the 1930s.
He talked about children not being born through procreation, but being decanted in a world-stage hatchery.
A world state hatchery.
Exactly what they're planning.
World state. And that parents were...
History and the children were brought up by the state and programmed with the right perceptions from birth.
And that's exactly the plan.
And what we have with this explosion of transgender out of nowhere, and it's a very simple thing.
When something comes out of nowhere and is suddenly everywhere, it's the agenda, it's the cult at work.
And the idea is to confuse gender in the minds of particularly the young, this is why they're aiming at very, very young children, on the road to fusing gender.
So you go from, you know, transgender to no gender.
None. And that's why they're targeting men, because men are not necessary, as we know men.
In a world where there's no procreation and they're moving now more and more towards targeting women.
You're going to see more of that. Of course, don't need them as women as we've known them because in a no procreation world.
And so all these things fit and cross-reference because they're all going in the same direction.
And this... I did an interview yesterday, actually, with a lady called Celeste Solem who worked for a time with FEMA, the American Federal Emergency Management Agency, that came on my radar about 1994.
It's deeply, deeply sinister.
Its front is it responds to disasters and natural disasters.
But that's the front. It's a deeply sinister operation.
And she was describing in this interview what she saw was the plan.
And she mentioned she left because she refused to do what they were telling her to do.
And this relates, and this has come into my own research as well over the years, to introducing to the body nanobots, they call them, nanotechnology, well beyond the ability of the eyes to see.
That are fused into the body and then they become self-replicating and they change the body.
And they introduce it, she was saying, in something called hydrogel, this nanotechnology.
And it goes into the body and starts to change the nature of the body.
And she was saying, and I've come across this from other sources, That's what's partly in this Gates vaccine.
And you see, this is why when you have no virus, but let's just say there is one.
We're almost at the point where it doesn't matter if there is or isn't, because the impact of it on health is so minor in terms of numbers.
Yeah. That whether there is or there isn't, a vaccine is not justified.
And certainly not a vaccine that is planned.
It is to be made mandatory.
And as Gates said, must be given to every man, woman, and child on the planet.
Now that, against this virus, even if you believe in it, is utter insanity.
But that's not why it's being done.
It's being done to get access to every man, woman, and child on the planet to go through this process of transforming the human body.
And when people like Ray Kurzweil, the Google executive, starts talking, and more and more in Silicon Valley are doing so, I mean, that place is a place for lunatics.
They are completely insane, the people that run Silicon Valley.
You know, psychopathically insane.
They are now saying, Kurzweil openly, that by 2030, and as quick as possible, not necessarily waiting until 2030, they want to connect the human brain to artificial intelligence.
And basically what they're doing, if you take this transformation of the body from the biological to the synthetic and the connection to the human brain, they're turning humans into cyborgs.
And this has been in my books for decades that this was the plan.
And now we're seeing more and more and more clear evidence that this is what's happening.
And it's all coming together.
And its foundation is control of perception.
Controlling perception so people just do whatever they're told without question.
And control of perception by targeting all those people who won't do what they're told and do have the mind to do their own research and see that this whole thing is a big lie.
And so what are you seeing now in the run-up to introducing this vaccine?
Fascists, because we are dealing with...
This is fascism. This is global fascism.
It's every bit as much, in fact, with the technology worse than Nazi Germany that's unfolding.
And you're seeing these fascists in their various forms targeting now anyone who's questioning the vaccine.
We have a political party.
It's the opposition party at the moment.
Well, it's not, but officially it is called the Labour Party.
And they've come out this week and said that they want to the government to introduce emergency legislation to ban anyone questioning the vaccine.
I mean, that's the definition of fascism.
Of course it is. And you're seeing this theme.
We've just had the head of the terrorist unit of the Metropolitan Police in London come out and say there must be a debate on whether we should ban anyone that's questioning the virus.
And, of course...
Silicon Valley's doing that already.
And this Biden administration, if this gets sorted out and he ends up the president, God help us.
I mean, I don't support Trump either, but Biden is the worst case of the worst case scenario because he's an empty shell.
And whoever works through him will be running the country.
And what you're going to see with Biden is full-blown fascism in relation to many things, but certainly the COVID regulations that are going to get just hysterical under him.
No, I was just going to say, it's obviously getting stricter and stricter, and that's a part of exactly what you were saying.
It's a part of the perception, because as long as they have people on the highest level of fear, anxiety, depression...
And anger, it really just entraps the people and allows that control and then suppressing that information from getting out to roll in these at such a high rate to be able to implement these.
Well, I won't go into it now.
It's a long story, but they are trying to delete me from anywhere.
Anywhere. And it's what...
Orwell called in 1984 being basically a non-person, where you don't exist.
They want to stop every form of communication that I'm involved in.
And that tells you something.
It tells you they have no confidence in their own narrative standing up if it's challenged.
And they rightly believe that because what they're telling us to believe is an absolute nonsense, an intelligence-insulting nonsense.
But it also tells you how terrified they are of me.
And I'm just one guy, but they're terrified of me.
That's why they want to shut me down and not let me have any platform whatsoever.
Even one where people choose to subscribe to it.
They don't want any of it.
Because we're dealing with fascists, and we're dealing with fascists that are terrified of me.
And why are they terrified of me?
Because they're terrified of the information.
Because they know that their story will never stand up in the face of the truth.
So, you know, we are facing big challenges here.
And no one said it would be easy, but big challenges.
And we need people to come to the line with a stiff backbone and to grow a pair.
Because if they think it's bad now, well, stick around and do nothing, and you'll see how bad this is going to get.
That's right. That's exactly it.
There's many people that are saying, I absolutely won't get the vaccine, but I'll wear a mask just because it's a mask.
Well, it goes hand in hand.
And And I know that we're cutting short on time, David.
My last point of discussion really is to kind of give humanity some faith in a sense of, like we said, we want the cult and these Satanists to have everybody in anger, anxiety, and fear because you're operating on such a low vibrational frequency, therefore you're easier to control.
So how can you really kind of spread some light and share with us as a part of the answer on how Opening our minds and hearts and kind of tapping into those higher, more positive frequencies can really help us live on higher wave fields that can essentially help us beat and possibly overcome these cults and the powers that they want to gain.
Well, you know, you can look for solutions, but that's usually a waste of time because your solutions normally lead to more problems.
Or you can remove the cause of the problem.
And that's... Always brings an end to the problem because if the problem doesn't have a cause, there's no problem.
And the problem is cause in what humanity is facing by a whole history of people giving their minds away to authority and perceiving that authority has power over them.
And the perception of someone having power over you gives the one you think has power over you power over you.
Because the power that they're using to control us is the power we're giving to them every day.
There's billions of people, the number of people at the core that are driving this, you get in one room globally.
So the answer is looking you in the face.
You stop cooperating with your own enslavement.
And of course, when enough people do that, there are no consequences because there's too many people.
But when you do it as an expeditionary force, if you like, you know, people can get consequences.
But someone's got to start it.
Someone's got to have the courage to stand up and say enough.
And then someone else stands up and someone else stands up.
Because, you know, people can go on hoping it's going to go away.
It's not going to go away. It's going to get worse until we look it in the eye and say, we're not cooperating with you anymore.
And part of gathering that courage, that determination, not to be imposed upon by a psychopath, is to come from the point of view of the true I and not the fake I, or what I call the phantom self.
The phantom self is that amalgamation of labels that we kid ourselves is the I. It's not.
It's just a group of experiences which we give names to.
What we are is the consciousness having those experiences.
And that consciousness can connect into the great infinity or it can limit itself to the size of a pea.
I've got no power.
I'm just little me. And that is both the decision that we have to make, it is the fork in the road, and it is the answer, or it's not, depending on the choices that we make.
Because when you expand your awareness beyond the five senses, you realize the nature of the true I, which is eternal, which is indestructible.
Which is on an eternal journey of exploring forever, forever.
And this is just a brief experience called human, very brief.
Then what frightens phantom self doesn't frighten conscious self.
Because you know it's just an experience.
There'll be another one along in a minute.
And eventually this will be over and we'll explore forever somewhere else.
It's a completely different way of looking at the world.
So, suddenly, authority doesn't intimidate you anymore because you can see that authority is pathetic.
You imagine waking up in the morning and your motivation is you want to go and control more people.
I mean, it's pathetic.
It's mental illness. And that's what these people are.
They're mentally ill. But they have a knowledge of how to manipulate, particularly perceptually manipulate.
And when you have that knowledge and you are mentally ill, it's not a great combination, really, for humanity.
But they are still little boys and girls in short trousers, pathetic people, who've long ago lost touch with their true self.
And we have the opportunity to awaken to that level of consciousness that doesn't get intimidated by them and will not be imposed upon by them.
Whenever they try to cut off one avenue, then you find another.
And you go on doing it.
Because we have the power to change this.
We have the numbers to change this.
Do we have the will to change this?
That's the question.
And very soon we're going to know the answer to that.
It's an incredible way to kind of summarize that because it really is the power of the people are stronger than the people in power and people don't recognize that strength alone.
And those are exactly the topics that I wanted to talk about.
So I appreciate that.
David, is there anything else that you wanted to share that we might not have covered today?
I don't want to hide from people where this is going.
Not to frighten them, but to concentrate their minds on if you think it's bad now, we'll stick around, do nothing, and then see where this is going.
And then think on what that means for your children and grandchildren.
They're going to be in this for longer than you are.
And if you can't summon the courage for yourself, then at least summon it for your kids and your grandkids.
Because they're going to take the brunt of this.
And so, what are you going to do?
Are you just going to keep your head down?
And let fear dominate you?
Once you expand into levels of consciousness where you know that We're eternal forever.
What is there to fear?
It's just an experience.
And when you leave this body, are you going to be proud of yourself because you did what you knew to be right?
Or are you going to think, oh my God, why did I keep my head down and run when the opposite was necessary?
Because life is very simple.
Choice and consequence.
The choices we make lead to the consequences of those choices, which we hopefully learn from and make better choices.
And the choices we make now are going to have phenomenal consequences, not just for ourselves, but for the kids and grandkids, like I say.
And we better make the right ones.
And keeping our head down and running away and hiding ain't the choice to make.
If we want a future for our kids or grandkids, we absolutely have to be standing up now.
And that's where I thank you so much again for your wisdom and your books.
And for everyone that's listening, David Icke's newest book, The Answer, is and can be purchased right on your website, davideike.com.
And he's also got his other books there, The Trigger, Everything That You Need To Know.
All of his books and stuff are there.
So definitely support it and get your hands on it, especially with all the censorship.
You want to get that before they try and get rid of any of it.
So, David, I have to really thank you again for your time, your wisdom and all that you've been sharing for 30 years.
And I really hope that we can do this again sometime.
Yeah, let's get on with it because there's a lot to get on with.
And you mentioned there the books and you make a very important point.
You know, once a book is purchased, YouTube can't delete it.
Facebook can't delete it.
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