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Aug. 4, 2020 - David Icke

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From Dark To Light - David Icke Talks To Laura Eisenhower & David Rodriguez

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	So, let's get started. So, we're going to start off with the first one, which is the
	first one.
	Hello, David. How are you doing?
	Hey, Laura. Finally, our third show.
	Can you believe it? I know.
	And oh my gosh, it's so exciting that we have David Icke with us.
	I'm just really so thrilled.
	It's going to be a great, great show.
	I'm telling you what, this is definitely our biggest guest.
	I'm surprised we're having him just on our third show.
	I thought we'd have him more down the line on our 20th or 25th or 30th show.
	We got him on our third show.
	I'm in disbelief and I'm truly honored, honestly.
	Yeah. I mean, this is where it really all began for a lot of people.
	You put out so much material.
	It was a big book on our coffee table many, many years ago.
	The big one.
	I can't quite remember the title.
	About the reptilian agenda?
	Yeah, the big conspiracy one.
	It's almost like a textbook. And so my kids were through it growing up and...
	Learned a little bit early on.
	I would like to, you know, I can't wait to speak to him.
	It's just like I have so many questions to ask him because he is like, you know, a lot of people say the godfather of conspiracies, but I don't call it conspiracies.
	I call it knowledge, really.
	This guy is just full of, you know, he's an open...
	When you start talking to David Icke, it's like opening Pandora's box.
	And all this new information comes just flying at you at warp speed.
	For a lot of people that are going to be watching this today, I think it's going to maybe cause some cognitive dissonance to some.
	Some people need short-circuit and just zone out.
	But I really ask everyone in my audience, I know your audience is pretty inept to all this, to please keep an open mind and listen to what this man has to say.
	To me, he's like...
	I compare him almost to like a modern-day type of prophet with his knowledge, with his unbelievable expertise in these areas that we so truly need right now in society and for humanity.
	Because the truth needs to be set free and it's being suppressed and it's being censored.
	And David Dyke's videos, so many of them have been censored and taken off the internet, especially on YouTube, actually on all the formats.
	So I think We are so honored.
	To me, this is one of the biggest moments for me because I respect this man so much and his knowledge that I can't wait to dive deep into what he has to say and pull out every little nugget of truth that he has because it's going to be that epic of an episode today.
	I'm just so excited, man.
	This is huge. This is huge.
	And what's amazing about his information is that it's a re-education.
	It's an education that was robbed from us and stolen from us.
	We've been dealing with a rewritten history layer upon layer of You know, truth of what's really going on has been buried, and it's been buried in our unconscious.
	And so we've been very much functioning in the personality matrix, which is so easily mind controlled and socially engineered, but really switches the lights on and can serve as a great activation and transformation for people.
	So it's way beyond information.
	It starts to light up stuff that has been somewhat dormant because, you know, people don't question those things because of indoctrination and multi-generational inheritances of a very, you know, false and lost history.
	We don't learn about our galactic history.
	We don't understand ET races or these dark agendas.
	And this is the time of awakening.
	And yeah, so everybody, I'm sure, is just ready to have, you know, a really open mind.
	We have all sorts of questions.
	Especially now with this quarantine, people are searching for truth.
	They're investigating everything now because now is the time.
	They don't have... Hollywood's being brought down.
	The sports are on hold.
	Everyone's being held hostage right now in this biblical time in history.
	So it's only right for us to bring forth this type of suppressed knowledge For people to try to grasp and understand, because there's no time like now.
	And at this time, when people are at home, reorganizing their schedules, maybe some have lost their jobs, they're homeschooling their kids.
	This is the time, more than ever, to dive deep into these subjects that we're bringing forth with Dark to Light.
	Absolutely. Absolutely.
	And this is what is going to make or break our future.
	If we don't gain awareness and sovereignty and clarity, it literally is siphoning us.
	It's infecting our creative channels.
	It's actually teaching people to enable a future that they don't really want.
	And this is the thing with psychological operations and the whole You know, a reaction solution or, you know, just implementing a facade to hook people in so that, you know, there's false solutions.
	I mean, that's what happened with 9-11.
	And that's the nature of psychological operations.
	People are looking in the wrong places for solutions.
	And I think it's getting so obvious, especially with the shutdown of all the doctors that were just on Facebook recently and the censorship of experts.
	Yeah. What they're doing, though, Laura, what they're doing is showing their cards.
	They're showing their cards.
	I mean, people need to understand, like, they're showing their true colors.
	They're scared to death that they're being found out.
	And they're being found out by censoring everybody.
	You know, people need to understand the information they're getting from the MSN. The only reason the mainstream media is there is to control your mind.
	That is the only reason.
	They're telling you what to think, not how to think.
	They're pushing forth an agenda.
	And what we want to do with this show, Dark to Light, is open minds.
	Turn on the light bulbs. Let people know that they're not controlled, that they have so much power within.
	And there's so much out there.
	There's so much information out there that they should be learning and grasping onto instead of what is being fed to them by the mainstream media.
	You've got to always have an open mind.
	That is the most important thing.
	For me, you know, I may be right 50% and wrong 50%, but I have an open mind.
	And I let everything flow.
	You know what I mean? So, to me, that is the most important thing.
	We can't dismiss people, especially people like David Aik, who has so much knowledge to bring forth.
	They can just eat the meat and throw away the bones, the way I see it.
	But listen to this man.
	He's a powerful speaker, and he's incredibly intelligent.
	And, like I said, we're...
	I'm in disbelief we haven't on our show, to be honest.
	But I know you can pull it off, Laura.
	I know you can do it. Oh, it's so awesome.
	So should I read a little bit about him before we bring him on?
	And then he can kind of put it into his own words, just a few words about him.
	I know a lot of people already know a lot about him, but just a bit of an intro.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Let's get started. Okay.
	Well, David Icke is an English writer, a public speaker, and a former media personality, best known for his views on what he calls who and what is really controlling the world.
	Describing himself as the most controversial speaker and author in the world, he has written 16 books explaining his position, dubbed New Age Conspiracism, and has attracted a substantial following across the political spectrum.
	And that's just like one paragraph amongst many.
	I mean, there's so much to say, but I'd love to just hear what he would love to say about himself.
	And yeah, let's bring him on.
	Okay. Hello.
	Hello, David. Hello, nice to be with you.
	Great to have you. Beautiful to have you.
	Yeah, well, I'm just an awkward bloke who...
	It's just in pursuit of the truth and what's going on.
	I'm not looking for a statue.
	I'll probably be pulled down anyway.
	I'm not looking for a round of applause.
	I'm looking for the truth, what's going on.
	And I've been in pursuit of that with an open mind for 30 years.
	The open mind reminds me of a quote attributed to the ancient Greek philosopher Socrates.
	Wisdom is knowing how little we know.
	And it's extraordinary how people have this perception that they know what there is to know.
	Science and all these other institutions I know what there is to know.
	And I think before we start, we need to put this into some little perspective, which is that if you say to people, when you look through your eyes, can you see everything in the space you're looking at?
	And most people will say, well, yeah, of course you can.
	But you can't.
	What you're seeing is a frequency band that is so tiny, it is laughable.
	According to mainstream science, the electromagnetic spectrum is around 0.005%, some say it's a little bit more, but not much, of what exists in the universe, in matter, energy, etc.
	And visible light, which is the only frequency band that we can see, it's our visible reality, is a smear of the 0.005%.
	So when you come from that perspective, The quote by Socrates, wisdom is knowing how little we know, takes on a kind of monumental perception.
	How can you just break it down into religion, for instance, where many, many religions are saying all you need to know is To live your life and understand the world and your place in it is in between the covers of a single book within a smear of 0.005% So what we're dealing with in terms of understanding is myopia on an extraordinary scale that somehow in that situation of This narrow band of visual reality that we can know what there is to know is utterly ridiculous.
	But the global cult, as I call it, that's manipulating events in the world, including this virus hoax, wants people to focus their attention In this tiny, narrow band of frequency and not to perceive anything beyond it, because then they got you.
	And basically, the foundation of human control, it's perception, because perception leads to behavior.
	We behave in certain ways, including allowing ourselves or vast numbers of people allowing themselves to be put under house arrest by the say-so of a tiny few people.
	We behave in that way and many other ways, every other way, because of our perceptions of the situation.
	And so the stadium in which human control is played out is perception.
	If you can control perception, you control behavior.
	And how do you control perception?
	You control the information received.
	This is why we're having all this censorship.
	Because to control perception through information, you don't just need to control your narrative and what you communicate to the people.
	You need to stop any other narrative challenging yours to be received by the people.
	So the whole foundation of human control is control of perception, which means control of information.
	And because we, in the nature of the true I, is a point of attention within a vast infinite stream of consciousness and we can expand our state of awareness into those expanded realms of consciousness and get access to insight, knowledge, understanding, awareness that's not available in the world of the five senses and the world of visible light.
	Because we can do that It's of enormous danger to this cult because once you do that, and more and more people are doing it, You're now, if you like, you're in this world in terms of your body, but you're not of this world in terms of your perception.
	Because now your perceptions are coming from levels of consciousness and awareness that are beyond this five-sense myopia that this cult wants to lock us into and enslave us and enslave our perceptions in that narrow band of frequency.
	And so when we talk about awakening, People awakening.
	The awakening is simply breaking through these mind programs that people are subjected to throughout their lives from cradle to grave to see that what we think we are is not what we really are.
	What we really are is a point of attention, a unique point of attention within an infinite stream of consciousness.
	And at that infinite level, we are all each other.
	But what this cult has done is systematically has manipulated us to self-identify with the labels, to self-identify with our sex, with our race, with our religion, with our sexuality, and What you're seeing with this whole woke mentality, this whole woke agenda, is the constant subdivision of those labels.
	So people are going into smaller and smaller labels of self-identity, which can, of course, create even greater myopia.
	And so the way out of here Is to ditch the labels and ditch the self-identity with the labels and realize that all these labels and what we do in this tiny band of frequency for a very, very short time are just a series of experiences.
	They're not what we are.
	You know, we're not Bill at the bakery or Ethel at the checkout.
	That's just an experience.
	We're not black or white or Jewish or Muslim.
	That's just an experience, a brief experience.
	What we are is the consciousness having that experience.
	And the whole foundation of human control is to get people to self-identify with transitory, brief, Experiences which we give labels to.
	The false I, the phantom self as I call it.
	And to so focus in the world of the five senses that we are not influenced by the true self, which is as infinite as you want to make it.
	How much do you want to open your mind into the infinity of possibility and knowledge and insight and wisdom that there is no limit to it except the limits we place on ourselves?
	So when you break through these bubbles of fake self-identity and you start to expand your awareness into the greater consciousness, you see the world suddenly in a very, very different way.
	Like I say, you're in the world in the sense that you're directly experiencing it, but you're not of the world in the way that you are perceiving events.
	And as you expand your consciousness, you're moving out of dots, these are random events and random situations, into seeing how the picture comes together.
	You're moving from the pixels to the picture and the picture looks totally different to the pixels.
	And you start to see that what you thought was a series of random events and happenings are actually part of a web, a stream of complete interconnectedness.
	So all these things that are happening in the world from a conspiratorial point of view are actually one conspiracy.
	They're different masks on the same face, different sub-conspiracies of the big conspiracy.
	And you can see that once you start to expand your awareness beyond the myopia of the five senses.
	But when you're in that, then everything looks random.
	Everything looks apart from everything else.
	Why is this happening?
	Why is that happening?
	From here you see it.
	And so the revolution is not a revolution of fighting.
	It's not even a revolution of protest.
	It's a revolution of consciousness.
	It's a revolution of re-self-identifying with the true I, consciousness, having the experiences, and withdrawing from the self-identity with the fake I, which is just a series of brief experiences that we think is us.
	It's not. We are what is experiencing them.
	And in the end, we're all each other.
	So all these fault lines of division, they go once you realize we're all expressions of each other.
	Do you believe that this quarantine, what's happening within the world right now, we're kind of being held hostage while these agendas battle it out.
	Do you believe that we are being forced into this revolution of consciousness?
	We're being forced into it, or do you think this is just a natural flow of humanity that This is the way it's going, or are we being forced into waking up right now?
	And it's up to everybody individually.
	Well, I think it's like everything.
	What is life? What is life?
	It's choice and consequence, choice and consequence, choice and consequence.
	You make choices, you have consequences.
	That leads to other choices, which leads to other consequences.
	So all the time we're making choices and taking the consequences, good, bad, indifferent from those choices.
	And if you break down what freedom is, by the way, freedom is the ability to make choices.
	The more choices you have, the freer you are.
	The less choice you have, the less free you are.
	And we're now at a point where the choices we make are going to fundamentally affect where we go from here, the life we have, particularly the life that our children and grandchildren have.
	And we're at a crossroads, or a better analogy, a fork in the road, whereby if we keep going as we are, we are going to live in a tyranny so extreme that if I called it fascist, fascism would probably sue for defamation of character.
	But if we go another way, which is why I wrote the book The Answer, Then we can unravel this in no time.
	It's about choice.
	And I'll tell you what I mean.
	People think that when you want to change something, you have to fight it.
	Well, what you fight, you become.
	We see this with the anti-hate brigade, with hate all over their face.
	Notice they're not pro-love, they're anti-hate.
	Anti-hate's just another form of hate.
	That's why they behave as they do.
	You don't fight it.
	So we'll go out and protest.
	Well, that's all right. That's another choice.
	That's another option. But what happens when you put your banner down?
	You go home. The way to transform human society, even at the extreme level we've now reached in these weeks, Is simply to stop cooperating with our own enslavement.
	That's the choice. And when that choice is made, game over.
	No need for anything else.
	Game over. Because if you look, and again, we're back to perception and the manipulation of perception via fear.
	If you look at how a tiny few people control human society, and by goodness me, has that been so in your face in the last few weeks?
	You know, over the years, when I've said a few people control the world, they've said it's not possible.
	Well, I'm sorry, but you've just experienced it.
	It's March, you know?
	So if you look at how it works, how a few can control the many, it's simply, it's a pyramid.
	And it's a pyramid of imposition and acquiescence.
	That's all it is. When you break all these things down, it's so simple.
	People say that genius is to understand complexity.
	It's not. Genius is to see the simple hidden by complexity.
	So when you break it down, you've got this pyramid.
	And at the top, you've got a tiny few people, what I call the cult, operating from the shadows.
	They impose their agenda upon the next level of the pyramid.
	And in the first few levels of the pyramid, but very few, the hierarchy of human society will be aware that there is a cult operating from the shadows advancing a global agenda.
	But very soon as you come down the pyramid, you're at levels of the hierarchy where they don't know that.
	They're just acquiescing to what is imposed upon them.
	So you've got the inner core of the cult.
	They impose their agenda on the next level, which acquiesces to that and then imposes it on the next level.
	And this goes all the way down the pyramid.
	If you look at it in the hierarchy of human society globally, it's imposition, acquiescence to that imposition, imposing on the level below, acquiescence to that imposition, Imposed on the level below it.
	So it comes down the pyramid in imposition acquiescence, imposition acquiescence, until you meet the massive human society, the human family.
	Now, if at this point We acquiesce to the level of the hierarchy that's imposing upon us, i.e.
	what's happening now with the masks and the social distancing and the lockdowns.
	Then what we do is we complete a circuit And it's a circuit between the massive humanity and the tiny few at the top of the pyramid.
	And we complete a circuit of imposition and acquiescence, which has allowed those tiny few in the shadows to impose their will on the entirety of the human population.
	And, you know, I think we're going to wait quite a long time before levels of the hierarchy start to cease to acquiesce.
	The way to break the circuit is for humanity to cease to acquiesce and play the fundamental role that we have in manifesting our own enslavement.
	Because this cult has no power.
	It has none. The power it has is the power we give to it in acquiescing to its impositions.
	Once we say we're not doing that anymore, then that has no power.
	So I'll give you a great example.
	A few weeks ago, in a very hot period in England, thousands of people went out on the beaches.
	And they weren't social distancing.
	There was no room to social distance.
	There were so many people on the beaches, you know.
	And the authorities called what they, how did they describe it?
	A major incident. We're declaring a major incident.
	There's thousands on the beaches that are social distancing.
	And so, okay, you're calling a major incident.
	Okay, so you've got thousands of people on the beaches that they're not cooperating with you, are they?
	No, no. So what are you going to do?
	Well, nothing we can do. There's thousands of them and they're not cooperating.
	Exactly! Exactly!
	That's all it is.
	It's a simple thing.
	No. No need to get angry.
	No need to protest.
	No need to pull statues down.
	Just say no.
	You are going to do this.
	We've had a discussion. This is happening.
	Everyone wears masks. No.
	Everyone's social distances.
	No. Everyone under lockdown.
	No. And they cannot enforce it.
	You see, what's happening now, I'll give you a great example of that.
	In Britain, they've just announced just a few days ago, or imposed, they announced it a few days before, that everyone who goes into a shop has to wear a mask.
	And it's unenforceable.
	Of course, there's too many people.
	And the government is saying the police have to enforce it.
	Well, there's not enough police to enforce it.
	Have you seen how many shops there are?
	There's so many people there are shopping. They can't do it.
	What they do is they depend on this same sequence that I've described, imposition and acquiescence, where the population are told you have to wear masks in shops.
	There's no evaluation or explanation about why that is.
	It's all a load of rubbish, of course, if you look at the real science.
	But they're backing and banking on people just doing it because they're told to do it.
	And they announced in Britain that there was mandatory mask wearing in shops.
	And they did it a few days hence.
	On the 24th of July, they said it's going to be mandatory.
	So obviously, you know, the virus is extremely stupid.
	And it was waiting until the 24th to attack anybody.
	So on the 23rd, it's okay to go in a shop without a mask.
	On the 24th, you get screamed at in the aisle if you do.
	But the point being...
	That in the days before it became mandatory, but they announced it was going to be, you saw more and more people in the shops with masks, even though it wasn't mandatory at the time.
	And it's this acquiescence to perceived power, and that's all it is, that is the whole foundation of human control.
	And when we say, nope, not doing it, nope, Then the whole house of cards comes down because the power that holds it together is the power we give away all the time.
	That's why I'm making the stand on masks and all of it.
	I will not concede a fricking inch to this.
	So where do you see this leading towards?
	You know, the mask wearing, the social distancing, what is next?
	What do you see coming down the pipeline that would be next?
	Well, you were absolutely correct.
	In your introduction, when you were talking about behaviour modification, that's exactly what it's about.
	The British government has a private company operating out of the Cabinet Office, which is basically Downing Street, Whitehall, called the Behavioural Insights Team.
	And it operates and brags that it operates around the world.
	It operates and advises American cities on behavior modification.
	And it's this behavioral insights team that's driving all this.
	It's driving the masks. It's driving the social distancing.
	It was driving the lockdown.
	And I'll just give you an example.
	There was a professor who was really pushing this mandatory masks agenda over the weeks before they introduced it.
	And she wasn't a professor of medicine.
	She was a professor of psychology.
	And that's what it's all about.
	And if you look at symbolism, this cult uses symbolism all the time.
	I mean, you know, vast numbers of people will know about the pyramid and all seeing eye and et cetera.
	But symbolism is extremely powerful because it's the language of the subconscious.
	That's why we have so many symbolic dreams, because it's the language of the subconscious.
	So if you look at the symbolism of the mask, when anyone's symbolizing in an image of someone being silenced, what do they do?
	They put something over their mouth.
	And that's the symbolism of subjugation.
	That's what the masks are.
	But there's another even deeper level of this.
	And, you know, To understand daily events and the sequence of daily events, we need to understand where it's leading because once you know where it's leading, the daily events suddenly take on a new perception.
	They're no longer random.
	You can see it's a sequence leading to where they want to take us.
	It's what I call know the outcome and you'll see the journey.
	So the outcome that they want, because everything connects to everything else in the end, Is a hive mind humanity?
	This is what people like Ray Kurzweil, the Google executive and futurist, is talking about when he describes the coming connection of the human brain to AI. And people like Elon Musk, one of the great frauds of Silicon Valley, is, of course, facilitating this through Neuralink, etc.
	And the idea is, and Kurzweil is very open with this, Because he's trying to sales pitch it as it will make us gods.
	That this connection to artificial intelligence will in the end lead to a situation, this is exactly what he's saying, whereby the human mind and human thinking as we know it now will be negligible and AI will do human thinking.
	We will have been assimilated into another world.
	Dave, do you believe the 5G and the vaccine has anything to do with the AI? Oh, it's all connected.
	Oh, absolutely everything is connected and we can get into that.
	But what I was saying was that they want to create this situation where AI is connected to the human brain.
	I mean, Kurzweil even gives a timescale of 2030, a year that comes up in so many different guises.
	And what this would create is a hive mind.
	I've been writing about this for decades, that this was the plan, whereby basically individual human thinking would be over.
	And so there has to be a progression towards that, what I call the totalitarian tiptoe, Where you're moving towards that goal.
	You're not going from 0 to 100 in one leap.
	You're moving step by step towards that goal.
	Part of that is to destroy human individuality and the sense of individuality.
	So when we come back to the masks, look at it.
	Where's the individuality when you've got a mask on your face, when you can't see the individuality of human expression and facial movements?
	When I was talking on a radio show this morning, about three o'clock in the morning, and I just mentioned, I said, well, I wonder how many people have passed people they know in the street where they've got a mask on and so is the other person, and they've not recognized them.
	And the guy, the presenter said, that's happened to me.
	I've walked past people in the street not realizing that I knew them because they had masks on, etc.
	So the individuality is being taken out of human society and also the human interaction.
	The social distancing is about pushing people apart and The impositions of you cannot gather beyond a certain very small number is all about pushing humanity away and human interaction away.
	They've targeted all the human interaction...
	The foundations, the sports, the entertainment, etc.
	Anything that gathers people together, they want to drive people apart.
	And at the same time, because of the lockdowns and the isolation, people have been communicating overwhelmingly via technology.
	Technology. The society they want is called a technocracy.
	There's no elected politicians.
	The control of society is by technocrats, by bureaucrats, by engineers, by scientists.
	And it's the technocrats of Silicon Valley, unelected technocrats, that are the great facilitators of this transformation of technology.
	So the masks are a massive subconscious symbol of subjugation, of being silenced and losing your individuality.
	And it's all systematic and driven by psychology and behaviour manipulation, nothing to do with health.
	And people have asked this question, certainly in Britain, why, after months of this supposed virus, are they now introducing compulsory masks?
	Well, it's a simple reason.
	And the masks they're introducing do not help.
	I see people wearing bandanas, cloths.
	I mean, it's just about complying.
	It's just about compliance. That's all this is about.
	And it's about covering the face.
	They're not bothered about how you cover the face because it's not about health.
	We can get into that.
	There is no virus. Laura, did you have a question?
	Yeah, I was just going to add to, you know, it's just this hijacking of unity consciousness and this opportunity to advance ourselves as a human race.
	It's like pulling the carpet from underneath us.
	It seems like it wants us to be like the gray collective, like it wants to take us into being modified into like a gray.
	I mean, wouldn't you say that grays are modified humans?
	Some of them are? From the Orion Wars?
	I think greys are a form of AI. You can start to see other connections when you realize another agenda for humanity.
	Which is to replace the biological human with a synthetic biological, synthetic biology they call it, human.
	A synthetic biological human that will not be able to procreate.
	This is what Aldous Huxley was talking about in Brave New World when he talked about the world state hatcheries where humans were decanted in laboratories rather than procreated in the way that we We've always done.
	And so once you realize that there's another stepping stone agenda towards the no gender, no procreation, Synthetic biological human, which is all connected to this AI, then you can start to realize why this transgender explosion came out of nowhere and why our children are being systematically, first of all, confused about gender when they weren't before on the stepping stone to fusing gender.
	And one of the things, if we talk about this Gates vaccine, that I think is fundamental to understand is the sterilization element of it.
	I've been tracking in the books for a long time the plummeting sperm counts, not least in the West, but other places too, the plummeting sperm counts.
	This is for many various reasons, not least men having smartphones in their pockets all day.
	Just tremendous damage to sperm.
	And I've been reading articles and studies about the situation with sperm counts.
	And one article described the situation with human sperm.
	They said, if it was an animal, you'd say it was on the brink of extinction.
	It's absolutely plummeted.
	And you look at some of the points that Robert Kennedy Jr.
	has made about Gates and his vaccines around the world, and it has had the impact in places of sterilizing, particularly girls.
	And if you want to create a situation where you If they break down the human form's ability to procreate, which is what they want to do, then what better situation do you want than a vaccine which Gates is saying everyone on the planet must have?
	They're even saying in this ludicrous narrative about the virus that people are not getting immunity to it.
	Well, first of all, you can't get immunity through a virus.
	It doesn't exist, and we'll get into that.
	But secondly, even though you've had it, theoretically, you've still got to have the vaccine because you haven't got immunity to it.
	You can see the script.
	It's so blatant.
	I do think that there is a big sterilization element to this vaccine.
	Just very quickly, what they'll do with this virus, because it doesn't exist, they can make it do anything.
	They'll talk about it mutating, just like flu.
	And so the first vaccine will only be the first.
	They'll want annual vaccines for it.
	And that will be more and more of the sterilization agent until there's an infertile human race.
	So to me, it sounds like, from what you're saying, this speaks on, and a lot of my audience may be new to this, is the reptilian agenda.
	It sounds to me like we're being herded and we're being used as a commodity.
	Am I correct in saying that?
	Well, you know, over the decades, one of the things I've done many, many times is to look at the legends and accounts of ancient cultures and looked at what they've said.
	And compared that with the stuff that I've uncovered and other people have uncovered in the modern world.
	And there is an extraordinarily common, compelling theme between the two.
	You look at almost, if not every ancient culture, and they'll use different names for it, and they'll use different labels, and they'll use slightly different descriptions.
	But there is a common theme, and that is of a force manipulating human society from the shadows.
	And, you know, when people say, well, you're saying that there's this non-human race and this non-human race, so where are they, mate?
	Well, we've just covered that earlier in the fact that we are only perceiving a ridiculously narrow band of visual acuity.
	And outside of that band lies infinity, including this force that all these ancient cultures talk about.
	And my research over the last 30 years, looking at the stuff that's coming out in the modern
	world if you like, is just an absolute mirror of what these ancient cultures have been describing.
	So there is a force.
	Some people, some ancient cultures have called them archons.
	Some have called them Chittahuri, children of the serpent.
	There's many and various names for it.
	Islam calls them the jinn.
	It's a force manipulating from the unseen.
	And this cult in the scene, or most of it's in the scene, Even within human society, it is the network within visible light that represents the agenda of this unseen force.
	That's why when you research these rich and famous assets of the cult, Invariably, you will end up with Satanism and ritualistic Satanism, human sacrifice, etc.
	Because, you know, in the ancient world, they openly did sacrifices to the gods.
	And then humanity grew up enough to reject that.
	Happening, you know, publicly.
	But it didn't stop.
	It just went underground. And this is why all these rich and famous people are into Satanism.
	And as I explained in the book...
	The pedophilia. Yeah, that's exactly what I was going to say.
	As I explained in the books, there is a fundamental connection between pedophilia and Satanism.
	And so you have the Epstein situation, which is a classic expression of the cult.
	He was just a cult asset.
	Dave, is that why they're trying to condition people with the LGBTQ? The main agenda is to be LGBTQP, correct?
	They want to add that P to the end of that LGBTQ. They want to normalize pedophilia.
	That's what they want to do.
	And they're working on it.
	And you see... When in the ancient world they talked about sacrificing young virgins to the gods, that was only code for children.
	And what I picked up over the years, not least talking to people who have taken part in these satanic rituals, is that there is the energy of children before puberty Is considered very important to this non-human force.
	And so when a child is being abused by a paedophile, in the unseen, the energy of the child is being drawn off through the paedophile.
	And it's like a nectar to these people.
	And then when I've got that from here and now modern Satanists, but then I talk to people like the late Krayta Mutwa who died in his 90s, the revered Zulu shaman in South Africa.
	Who told me the same story about the Zulu legends of how this force that they call the Chittahuri in Zulu, the Zulu culture, the children of the serpent, how they feed off the energy of children in exactly the way that people have described to me in the modern world.
	And so this is where Satanism and paedophilia connect And the rings, if you go deep enough in the rings of pedophilia and Satanism, they connect.
	It's because they're drawing off this energy of children.
	So how do humans...
	You know, the people that are doing this, what do they benefit from it by drinking the adrenochrome, by the pedophilia?
	What are they benefiting? What is it promising to them?
	Is it just an energy source?
	Does it also help human beings?
	Or are these shape-shifting reptilians, is what I'm trying to understand here.
	When you look at Matrix movies and that scene when Morpheus holds up the battery and says that humans have been turned into one of these for the machines, well that's what humans are.
	We are an energy source for this non-human force and the This source has to absorb energy within its own frequency band, which is very, very low frequency and resonates to the human frequencies of fear, of anxiety, of depression, of hatred, of resentment, all these low vibrational emotions.
	Because all those are frequencies.
	Whatever emotion you're feeling or whatever your thought process in the moment, it's represented by the frequencies you're giving off.
	And this non-human force operating outside of the human visible light is feeding off this energy.
	So what it has to do is to keep this source of energy going.
	Is to structure human society to create maximum fear, maximum anxiety, maximum depression, maximum all these low vibrational emotions.
	So maximum hatred.
	And so a war, which is devastating for humanity, becomes a massive energetic source for this force.
	And so they're feeding off us.
	But when we enter higher levels of consciousness and therefore we start giving off different frequencies, higher frequencies, then they are denied that energy source because they can't attach to it because it's outside their frequency band.
	So they have to keep us in constant states of low vibrational emotion.
	And if you just look from that perspective at what's happened since this pandemic hoax was played, look at all the low vibrational emotion that's been given on fear and anxiety that's been given off by humanity as a whole during this period.
	I can feel it.
	When I walk around outside, I can feel the low vibrational energy.
	I can feel the depression. I can feel the anxiety.
	Laura, do you have a question? I believe Laura has a question.
	Oh, yeah. Gosh.
	I mean, do you feel like the New World Order agenda, though, is failing or succeeding?
	Do you feel like there's been enough disclosure, enough awakening, enough grid work?
	The fact that we're in this window period, a stellar activation cycle that the Mayans even prophesied.
	Do you feel that we have it in us to get over this hump?
	I mean, I know that's a little bit predictive, and this is the crossroads, is that we have choice.
	But what kind of space are you holding for the human race right now?
	Well, I'm continuing to do what I've always done, and I'm not a kamikaze pilot, and I wouldn't do it unless I thought there was a way out of this.
	And because the way out of it is so simple, it's simply saying no to acquiescing to our own enslavement, you are constantly hopeful that we can do this, because it is very simple when you break it down.
	But we are in this period of choice.
	Because I have this symbol of the system pushing the gate.
	And if there's no resistance, they'll go to the next gate and they'll push that.
	And if there's no resistance, they'll go to the next gate and they'll push that.
	And every single push of the gate is a more extreme imposition on human freedom and a deletion of human freedom.
	And we are reaching the point now where the choice has to be made to stop allowing these things to be imposed upon us because every time that we acquiesce, something more extreme is coming.
	And if we look at this virus hoax, When I started writing this new book, The Answer, last October, none of this was happening.
	And I wrote 85% of the book before the lockdowns kicked in.
	And then what has happened since is that The cult has been given, as achieved, almost everything that I said in the first 85% of the book was the plan.
	It's advanced it massively quickly.
	But wherever we are in this sequence, this script relating to this virus, is only where we are.
	And if there's no resistance and no Refusal to acquiesce, then the script will just go on playing out.
	So what is planned for the winter?
	And if you look at people like Gates, they're telling you.
	And he gets off on telling you.
	Once people start to get the colds and the flu and the respiratory illness as we move through the fall into the winter, they are going to be hysterical.
	In dubbing everything COVID-19, because what has happened with this non-existent virus is that they first frightened us with the number of deaths, and I can explain where they came from.
	And then when respiratory disease plummets during the summer months, They can't re-diagnose all that COVID-19, so the number of deaths they can justify goes down.
	That's why the deaths have gone down.
	So what they've done is they've moved from frightening people with deaths to frightening people with cases.
	And I can explain where the cases come from.
	It's another scam. This is why if you look at the language, the language has started to change from talking about COVID-19 to talking about coronavirus, which is really linked to cases rather than deaths.
	But as we go through the fall into the winter, the plan is to start terrifying people again with deaths.
	And if we look at this virus, which is, I think, something we need to get across before we go much further.
	When I say that there is no virus, that sounds fantastic to people because there's all these cases and there's all these deaths, apparently.
	That was my next question, yeah.
	Yeah, but my information, which I put together in the answer, has come from doctors, medical professionals, virologists, etc., around the world, who you'll never see on CNN or the BBC, even, you know, other...
	Less extreme media organizations.
	You just won't see them because they're completely demolishing the narrative.
	And you can see with your example from a few minutes ago how even the most mild criticism of the official story by doctors is immediately off YouTube now and Facebook and everywhere because they know That their narrative is so full of holes, if it was a ship, it would sink in seconds.
	And the only way they can protect their narrative, which is ludicrous, as I'll come to in a second, Is to delete and censor anyone exposing the fact that it's a nonsense.
	That's why they banned me.
	So what would you say to the people that are getting sick?
	Because I hear it all the time from people telling me, oh, you don't understand.
	My uncle's dying from it.
	My grandfather died from it.
	So I keep telling him it's the new technology rollout.
	That's my theory.
	I mean, that's what a lot of people have told me, and I've researched it.
	It seems like that's valid. Okay, well, let's go through the sequence.
	First of all, this cult has no borders.
	People should not think of countries.
	They should think of a global web.
	And one of the key centers for this cult globally is China.
	What they've done, they control China.
	This cult was behind the Mao revolution, all of it.
	And what they've done with China is they've used it as an incubator for the global system they want to impose on everyone.
	So in the West, where until now they've had to pay lip service to freedom and democracy, they've been able to move towards fascistic, communistic Orwellian tyranny slower than in China, because in China it's such a controlled society.
	When the government says this is going to happen, it happens.
	So China is a completely controlled country by the cult.
	And the way the cult works is this.
	If you imagine a transnational corporation You have a headquarters somewhere in the world.
	And then you have the subsidiaries of the corporation in different countries.
	And the subsidiaries of the corporation answer in their behavior and what they do, even their branding.
	They answer to what the headquarters tells them they're going to do.
	So basically, the headquarters is controlling all the subsidiaries and what they do and what they work towards.
	This cult works in exactly the same way.
	You've got a... A center, a core, which I call the spider, which operates in the shadows.
	And then in each country, you've got a subsidiary network of that spider.
	And this subsidiary network is made up of secret societies, it's made up of semi-secret groups, it's made up of certain families.
	And their job in their sphere of influence, their country, Is to impose on that country the will of the spider.
	This is why you've got this global rollout of countries doing the same as each other.
	This is how it's done. This is why so many countries have just mirrored each other in their response to this virus hoax, because it's centrally coordinated.
	So each subsidiary network in each country controls the pyramids of politics, of business, of banking and finance, and of the medical pyramid, dominated by big pharma medicine.
	And each of these pyramids have a few people at the top which are dictating policy down the rest of the pyramid.
	So what happens in the medical pyramid is the few at the top tell the medical profession what they're going to do and how they're going to act.
	And the medical profession just do it because their careers will be in trouble if they don't.
	This is how it's done. And this spider has been controlling these medical pyramids in all these different countries.
	And that's why you've had the same response played out everywhere.
	So if we go to China, Wuhan is infamous for its toxic air and its polluted air.
	And it has massive amounts of respiratory disease.
	And people, we were told, started to get ill.
	What they did, and it's about 200 to start with, and what they did is they took lung fluid from a handful of them, and they decided that this, quote, illness was a new virus.
	And it was decided on the basis of absolutely no evidence.
	There is a technique, a long-held technique, in fact since 1890, called co-postulates, which is used by mainstream medicine, or should be, to show that A, there is an infectious agent, and B, that your infectious agent is causing what you say it's causing.
	And the first postulate, on which all the others depend, Is that you must isolate your infectious agent, in this case what they're calling SARS-CoV-2, you must isolate that free of all other genetic contamination so you only have what you say is the disease-causing agent.
	You then have to, as these postulates unfold, put that into a living host and that living host has to get what you say that infectious agent is causing.
	You then have to take material from that living host, put it in another living host and it has to get what you say is causing the disease.
	Not one single one of those postulates, not least the isolation of the alleged virus, has been done.
	Not one.
	There is not a single scientific paper or study anywhere in the world that has isolated this virus and showed it to exist.
	So how did they then start diagnosing this virus in China, in Wuhan, where there's this enormous respiratory disease?
	They did it on symptoms.
	And what did they say?
	They said... The symptoms of this virus are flu-like symptoms.
	I mean, blimey, hello?
	Flu-like symptoms in Wuhan?
	Where do you start?
	And so what was causing disease, respiratory disease before, was now discarded and now it's COVID-19.
	And this is why around the world, the figures for flu deaths in 2020 have gone down on the year-by-year average as COVID deaths have gone up.
	It's a redesignation of diagnosis.
	And I'll come to the financial incentives for that.
	Right. The hospitals are benefiting from this, correct?
	They're being paid. Massively.
	So then, having started out diagnosing this virus, they've not isolated and shown to exist.
	On symptoms, they introduced something called the RT-PCR test.
	I mean, don't start me. The RT-PCR test, which is what is leading the authorities to claim that all these people have tested positive for COVID-19 or SARS-CoV-2, He's not testing for a virus.
	First of all, you can't test for a virus you've not isolated, because how can you test for something you've not isolated and got its genetic code?
	You can't. You can't get a vaccine for it either, by the way.
	So, what it's testing for, this TPCR test, is a genetic material which can be found in the bodies.
	If they amplify the material, blow it up enough, it can be found in every body.
	They can create a situation where they amplify this genetic material which this test is looking for so much That every single one will test positive for what they claim is a virus, but it's not a virus.
	It's a genetic material.
	And the creator of the RT-PCR test was Kerry Mullis in the 1980s.
	He won the Nobel Prize for it.
	And he said this test, the man who created it, Must not be used to diagnose infectious disease.
	That's exactly what they're using it for.
	So they're getting their cases from symptoms diagnosis, same as many other diseases from other sources, and they're getting their cases from a RT-PCR test, which is not testing for a virus, but a genetic material that can be found ultimately in everybody.
	And they're getting the deaths From re-diagnosis of people dying of other things.
	So, the authorities in Italy, after that big furore and crisis, admitted that 99% Of those that were designated to have died in Italy of COVID-19 had one, two, three, four or more what they call mobilities and other reasons to die.
	And they said, actually, we were generous in designating people with COVID-19.
	We have had people who have died in motorcycle accidents, who've fallen down the stairs, who've died of cancer and heart disease, and on the death certificate has gone COVID-19.
	This is where the numbers are coming from.
	And some doctors have bravely come out and been deleted very quickly.
	And some of them have talked to me.
	And said, we're being pressured and pressured to put COVID-19 on the death certificate when they've not died of anything to do with that, not even respiratory disease.
	And I had a posting on my website about a couple of weeks ago, and it was a recorded telephone conversation between a member of the public and the coroner's office in Britain.
	And the member of the public was questioning why their loved one had not had a...
	A death diagnosis yet.
	And the lady at the coroner's office said, well, we did a test, a COVID-19 test, after the guy had died, and we sent it off and we've not had the result back yet.
	And she said, if it comes back positive, COVID-19 will go on the death certificate, and if it comes back negative, then there'll be a post-mortem.
	And so we're having a situation in country after country after country because of this spider control of the national medical pyramids.
	Whereby doctors are being pressured and ordered to put COVID-19 on the death certificate for anything that moves.
	And then we come, as we talked about there, the financial incentives.
	They change the rules in America so that if a hospital diagnoses regular pneumonia, they get paid $4,600.
	If they diagnose the same symptoms, As COVID-19 pneumonia, they get $13,000 for a patient.
	And for putting a COVID-19 diagnosis on a ventilator, it's $39,000.
	But David, I have friends that are doctors.
	And they're telling me until they're blue in the face, you don't know how real this really is.
	You don't understand. This is killing everybody.
	I'm like, man, calm down.
	Calm down. I try to explain to them that it's all the same symptoms as the flu.
	What do you say to those doctors that are calling me and telling me you don't understand?
	Does this have anything to do with the technology, the new technology rollout?
	It has to happen. Well, the point I've made in interviews since this started, the point I make in the episode, Is that there is a small number of people that are getting lung effects that are very strange.
	And there have been doctors that have gone on the internet and talked about this from, you know, emergency units and saying, look, what I'm seeing is not a virus.
	Absolutely, there's no virus.
	But it's something I've never seen before.
	This is what one said before having the video deleted.
	He said, it's like...
	What I see in their lungs is what I would expect from someone at 30,000 feet if the cabin depressurised without oxygen, or if you plonk someone on the top of Everest without oxygen.
	This is what you would expect to see in their lungs.
	And, you know, when you look at the rollout, The impact of 5G is still in its infancy because it's still being rolled out in terms of the communication mass and antenna.
	But the real power of 5G in terms of its impact on psychology and on human health comes as more and more and more people get 5G devices.
	Because every time you activate a device, you make a connection to the source.
	And say you're in a train and lots of people are on the phone, and they're 5G phones, that phone, that train is awash with 5G. Whereas it wouldn't be, even if 5G was transmitting, but people weren't on the phone, 5G phones in the train, it would be less.
	So the more this rollout happens and the more people start using 5G devices, the impact of 5G will get greater.
	But even at the level it is now, you...
	You look at the band of frequency within the 5G millimetre range at 60 gigahertz, and this is accepted by the telecommunications industry.
	At 60 gigahertz, 5G interacts with the frequency of oxygen molecules.
	It makes it far more difficult for the body and the bloodstream to absorb oxygen.
	Now, this is where everything connects.
	They want to deprive humanity of oxygen.
	Because not least, that leads to respiratory disease, which they are dubbing COVID-19.
	And what is going to happen with all these people wearing masks all day, breathing in their own carbon dioxide, which the body is trying to expel, It's going to cumulatively lead to far more respiratory disease, and they're going to call it COVID-19.
	So there is a 5G element to this, absolutely.
	But not causing the virus, but what 5G and electromagnetic fields in general, this is well known, can do, is generate the The symptoms of what they say is COVID-19, these, for instance, flu-like symptoms.
	And Wuhan, of course, had a big rollout of 5G just ahead of this thing kicking off.
	And if you look at the deaths, et cetera, in America, an enormous, absolutely enormous chunk of them come from two states, New Jersey and New York.
	Yeah, the biggest 5G rollout.
	Yeah. When you have the authorities targeting people, For making any suggestion of a connection between 5G and what's happening, you know there's a connection.
	I'll give you an example. We have an organization in Britain called Ofcom, the Office of Communications, and it's the government's censor for the mainstream media.
	They want to move into the alternative media as well.
	It's the organization that hands out the contracts, if you like, for 5G. The frequency for 5G, right?
	So it has massive conflict of interest.
	But what it did through this period, especially when I started talking about it and everyone's knickers started getting twisted on a monumental scale, is that they told the mainstream media that they would face sanctions from Ofcom if they allowed anyone, even a single person, To go on the air and suggest any connection between 5G and this virus.
	So you know by that alone that there is a connection.
	David, we're going to start taking questions from the audience now.
	And I think Laura had another question for you as well.
	So Laura, you want to ask your question and then we'll go into the questions from the audience because we have a lot of audience members.
	They can't wait to ask you questions.
	Yeah, totally.
	That's a good idea. We've been breathing in The chemtrails, there's been geoengineering, there's a lot that we never consented to or voted for that we can claim sovereignty and not consent, but it seems that even with that, it's being forced upon a person, the survival of job and family is being heavily manipulated, and I'm seeing that we're all going to band together and rebuild the world in the way that it's supposed to be, but it's like a race against time,
	and it just...
	I mean, is this the necessary catalysts that are needed for people's great awakening?
	And it is a race against time.
	And it was inevitable that we were going to face such opposition because these agendas have been in the works for a while.
	And that when we do move into these higher levels of consciousness, we can transmute and alchemize these assaults so that we're not like, you know, against our will being slowly modified.
	I mean, isn't our consciousness powerful enough to transmute this if we can reach these levels and shift the collective consciousness together?
	Absolutely.
	That's one of the themes of the answer.
	If, for instance, this world was solid and physical, then change, by definition, is limited and must be very slow and laborious.
	But this reality is not physical.
	It's holographic.
	It's very malleable.
	And it responds to consciousness.
	You see, if you look at human society, all it is is an expression of the collective human mind.
	That's all it is.
	We are being controlled, not least because vast numbers of people have a self-identity of being little me, I have no power.
	And imagine, I say imagine, I say this is how it is.
	If people think of Wi-Fi, And the way Wi-Fi interacts with computers.
	Wi-Fi is a radiation field of information.
	And what the computer does is connect with that information, that radiation field, and turns it into a completely different form on the screen, on the computer screen.
	So if you say to people, you tell me about the Internet, they'd say it was...
	Graphics and colors and texts and videos on the screen.
	Well, yes, it is. But the only place the Internet exists in that form is on the screen.
	Nowhere else. Everywhere else, it's Wi-Fi fields and electronic circuits.
	What the computer does is take that information and put it on the screen.
	Now, if you are going on the Internet, what It dictates where you go on the internet, what decisions you make, your perception.
	Your perceptions dictate where you want to go on the internet.
	Someone else with different perceptions will go somewhere else.
	So your perception is dictating your interaction with, say, this Wi-Fi field.
	Well, the Wi-Fi field is really mirroring technologically, mimicking the quantum field of possibility and probability that we live within.
	And what we pull out of that probability and possibility of the quantum field is dictated by our perception.
	If we have a perception of little me, then what we are transmitting is a frequency field that represents the perception of little me.
	And that will interact with what I call the cosmic internet, the cosmic Wi-Fi field, within that band of frequencies.
	And you will set up a feedback loop, as we do with the internet, decided where on the internet we go.
	You set up a feedback loop with the possibility represented by your perceptions.
	So a little me perception will lead to a little me life.
	Because that's what you are creating.
	So the perceptions of humanity are dictating the society that we create.
	And the more that we perceive ourselves to be little me and labels rather than infinite me, the more society will reflect that.
	People in little me, I've got no power mode, will be creating a situation in which others will have power over them.
	They are creating that.
	But when you, let's look at it from another point of view, you redesign your self-identity.
	From I'm little me, I have no power, it's I am all that is, has been, and ever can be.
	Having an experience.
	And that self-identity with that infinite I automatically expands your Level of awareness and automatically you start transmitting on higher, more powerful frequencies.
	Now you're interacting with the quantum field of possibility and probability at that level.
	And suddenly what you are pulling into your life as an experience is dramatically different to little me.
	What do so many people, almost everyone, who goes through an awakening process, which is nothing more than removing the onion skins of programming, To access what we've always been and always are.
	What did they say?
	It was amazing how much synchronicity suddenly came into my life that wasn't there before.
	Why? Because you're now interacting with the quantum field of possibility and probability on a much vaster scale and a much higher frequency.
	And so suddenly the fine detail can be brought into your life, which manifests as incredible synchronicity.
	Oh my God, fancy seeing you here.
	What's the chances of that?
	And this is what my life's been like for 30 years.
	This is extraordinary day after day synchronicity, which has put information before me.
	And so what I'm saying is if the world was solid and limited by solidity, then the chances of change would be very slow and laborious.
	But because it's malleable and The physical world as we perceive it is just an expression of our perceptions, our consciousness.
	When our consciousness changes, our external or perceived external world must change because that's just a holographic projection of our consciousness.
	Perception. So perception is everything.
	This is why this cult is desperate to control perception, because it knows it will control behavior, but also it knows how this process works.
	It knows if it can control perception, it will control your life experience.
	And to take control of our life back is to take control, A, of our perceptions back, and B, to take control of our self-identity back.
	And when we change our self-identity from I am my labels to I am the infinite state of awareness, having an experience called those labels, everything changes.
	And it can change very, very, very quickly.
	If your perceptions change quickly, Where you go on the internet and what you manifest on the screen changes instantly.
	And that's what happens when you change your perceptions.
	Because what is this world?
	This world is a projection of our perception.
	How does this work? The foundation of this reality is waveform.
	Waveform information.
	Think Wi-Fi. And what the five senses do is they tune into these waves.
	I mean, take a classic example, sound waves.
	What's happening now is I'm speaking, but my words are not passing between us.
	A frequency field generated by my vocal cords is passing between us.
	What happens then is those sound waves are picked up by the ears and they're turned into electrical signals and they're communicated to the brain and the brain then decodes those electrical signals into the sound of my voice.
	And this happens with all the senses.
	They lock into these waveform levels of reality and they They then turn them into electrical signals, which is communicated to the brain, and the brain, different parts of the brain, then put this information together to create a reality, a holographic reality.
	And even our perceptions can even fundamentally affect the way we construct that reality.
	You know, people can be looking at something, and they can apparently see something, and someone next to them will not see what they're seeing, certainly in the same way, because they are constructing reality in a slightly different way.
	And this is how ridiculous reality is, as we perceive it.
	Here's a question. Does a falling tree make a noise?
	Only if you hear it.
	Only if you hear it for this reason.
	What is happening on the waveform level, which is the foundation level of this reality, is that a field of energy called a tree is falling through the field of energy.
	And it creates, as it moves, a vibrational disturbance.
	What happens if someone is there is they pick up that disturbance, turn it into electrical signals, communicate it to the brain, and the brain decodes that into the sound of a tree falling.
	If no one's there, the tree falls and makes no noise.
	We need the observer We create reality.
	And the observer creates reality on the basis of their perceptions.
	We keep coming back to the same thing.
	And so the whole foundation of the cult is to control human perception because it will then control human behavior and it will dictate human experience.
	When you break out of that and you stop having your perceptions dictated by authority, Then you start to create a different reality for yourself in which you're no longer a little me and you're no longer under the control of some force of authority.
	David, we're going to jump into questions because I have a line of people just waiting to ask you all kinds of questions.
	So we're going to jump on. Okay, so let's take the first question.
	Can David Icke please comment on Trump?
	Well, what I said in 2013, in the run-up to Trump's election and afterwards, you can see it on the internet, is that Trump was being brought to power to be a symbol of hatred to divide American society.
	I said at the time that the plan was to create a civil war in America to divide and rule American society and break it down into the new society, the new normal that they want.
	And when you read communist techniques of how you transform a society into a Marxist society, in this case a technocratic Marxist society, One of the rules is you don't target faceless corporations and bureaucrats, even though they may be the ones doing it.
	You target an individual and you focus all hatred on them.
	And that's what they've done with Trump.
	That's why they brought him to power.
	So politics in America has now become so polarized that it's basically do you love Trump or hate Trump?
	That's the decision of where you are in politics.
	Those shades of grey in the overwhelming majority of people.
	So he's been there as a vehicle to To divide and rule America with the woke mentality pushing against the Trump supporters.
	And, of course, how Trump got to power was in a classic political technique of telling people what they wanted to hear.
	Because of the vast amounts of American society have been completely ignored for years, just like in Britain, where neither party was representing them.
	And they were getting more and more frustrated with the way America was changing and no one was listening to them.
	And then along comes Trump, and he speaks the language of that group.
	And that group got him elected.
	But in power, he's basically done nothing.
	What he said would do.
	But what he has been is a symbol of hatred that has divided American society.
	And if you look at Trump's background, he's absolutely owned by Israel.
	This is why he's given Israel everything it asks for, with this Bengali on his shoulder, Yared Kushner, a very close lifelong friend of Benjamin Netanyahu.
	So Trump is not...
	The independent maverick that he is portrayed as being.
	He's just another puppet.
	And Biden is just another one.
	And at some point, whether it's this election or the next one, They want to bring in a fully-fledged woke government because the woke mentality is the 1% cult mentality which they've been again incubating in the schools and universities for about two or three generations at least and they want that to be the dominant force in American politics and American government.
	And what will that force bring?
	It will bring tyranny Of political correctness, of subjugation of freedom of opinion and free flow of information.
	It will bring the Green New Deal, which is nothing more than a Marxist manifesto based on the hoax.
	That's the AOC deal, right?
	Yeah. When you look at AOC, what you're starting to see is that those, and I do feel sorry for them.
	I'm not even condemnatory.
	I do feel sorry for the woke mentality because young people have been through the most intense perceptual programming for generations now and more than any other generation in human history because of the technological impact, the technological element.
	And that mentality is now coming out of the schools and universities.
	It's moving into politics.
	AOC is a case of that.
	And it's...
	It's manifesting the post-fact society.
	There's no better way of describing what is happening now and what this woke mentality is doing than Orwell's concept of 2 plus 2 equals 4 being imposed as 2 and 2 equals 5.
	When you look at the The ludicrous transformation of human society based on a virus, I say doesn't exist, but even if you think it does, according to official estimates, your chances of going from infection to fatality if you're under 70 is 0.004%.
	Even if you take in the 70 pluses, it's 0.26%.
	They're official estimates.
	And we're transforming human society because of it.
	That is not 2 and 2 equals 4.
	Dave, go ahead.
	It's two and two equals five.
	What the woke mentality is doing is imposing a world of two and two equals five and making sure that people cannot challenge that without consequences for their careers and their lives.
	Dave, we're going to take another question.
	Laura, do you want to read it?
	Real quick, I mean, it sounds like you're saying that this particular woke is the more engineered kind.
	It might be connected to BLM and just sort of this false sense of creating positive change, but at the same time, it's on a trajectory that's somewhat artificial and induced.
	Well, it's not positive change.
	But the perception is that it is, but it's not.
	It's 1% change.
	You see, I was brought up on a council estate in Leicester in England.
	We'll take another question. In the old traditional left, that's where my family was coming from and where I was coming from.
	And the traditional left was opposed to the imposition of the rich and powerful upon the rest of the population.
	It challenged, well they would have been multi-millionaires then, billionaires now, it challenged the imposition of corporations.
	You can still see on the internet pictures of the big protests at Berkeley.
	From students demanding during the Vietnam era freedom of speech, etc.
	But what's happened is the traditional left, which was opposing much of the agenda of the cult, It has been replaced, hijacked by the woke fake left, which talks about social justice but does nothing about it, but actually is an inversion on purpose because it's a 1% creation.
	That's why people like George Soros fund it to the tune of staggering amounts of billions.
	And it's why there is a symbiosis now, which seems on the surface to be bizarre, between a woke mentality that claims to be about social justice and its funding by megacorporations and billionaires.
	Right. Now, the old traditional left would never have taken money from a Soros or these Silicon Valley corporations and so on.
	It never would because it was trying to expose the influence of those organizations, not getting to bed with them.
	But what has changed is this.
	Woke may talk about social justice, but it's not about social justice.
	It's about identity, and it's about identity politics.
	And identity politics has many, many reasons to be created, and one of them is to create more and more fault lines of divide and rule by subdividing and subdividing human self-identity into smaller and smaller units of labels.
	But As long now as the billionaires and the corporations fund and speak the language of woke and identity politics, then they're now the good guys.
	Of the woke fake left, whereas they were the enemy of the traditional left.
	So this has been this transformation on so many levels of now the left, which traditionally is challenging power, is being funded and promoted, not least by the so-called woke corporations of Facebook and Google and YouTube.
	It's being funded and supported by the very...
	Source of that power.
	And everything has been inverted.
	And the woke mentality is in such a programmed state that it can't see the obvious.
	That it's actually not into bed with the reason why there's not social justice.
	I think it's a form of madness, really.
	All right, Dave, we're going to take another question.
	We have another question for you.
	Hold on. Go ahead, Laura.
	Go ahead and read that for a moment. Okay.
	Elon Musk's technology is a joke compared to what has been developed in the secret space programs.
	So what is his role here?
	Alejandro Portillo. Well, that's a very good point, and it's one I've been making for a long time.
	Let's go to the underground bases.
	You know, we live in a world...
	Where there are two realities, two foundation realities.
	One is the reality that humans live in, which is what I call the postage stamp consensus, this narrow band of sense of the possible and whatever we're told is real.
	And then there's the cult level.
	And that operates on a vastly greater level of knowledge, not least technological knowledge.
	If you can access this cult world of reality and its projected agenda, or you're involved in it, you can predict the future very, very easily, really. Because unless something intervenes to stop this agenda unfolding, which you've uncovered or you're part of, then it will be the future.
	And so you have your oldest Huxley's and you have your George Orwell's who accessed, for whatever reason, in whatever way, they accessed this projected future and this agenda, which is the projected future.
	I've quoted people in my books, insiders, who were speaking in like 1969, and they were describing today's society, not in theme, in detail.
	And you've got Orwell and you've got Uxley in 1932, Orwell in 1948.
	They're describing technology as That was never even available.
	Drug technology, genetic technology, surveillance technology, that wasn't available then.
	But they knew it was coming.
	I quote a guy, a Rockefeller insider from 1969, who described the internet, very clearly described the internet.
	And he also said, by the way, we're going to make boys and girls the same, which is what this whole transgender thing is really about, about this fusion of gender that I talked about.
	So there are these two worlds.
	And what's happening is this world's agenda is being introduced into our level of reality all the time.
	And the key to the control and the endgame is technology.
	I've talked about connecting the human brain to AI. It's all about technology, this smart grid, this transhuman, this technocratic society.
	Now, have a look.
	At how this has played out, this technology coming in, coming in.
	There has not been a point, and increasingly there is not a point, quite obviously, where these guys are sitting around a table, strumming their fingers, waiting for the next level of technology to be developed to advance their agenda of technological control.
	It doesn't happen. They already have it.
	It's seamless, yes, because it's coming out...
	Of the underground bases.
	Right, and they're feeding us crumbs, correct?
	It's just they're giving the people the crumbs and they have the advanced technology at hand.
	Yes, and so they're bringing it out.
	As if it's a new discovery, a new development, when actually it's been known about for a ridiculously long time, more than people can imagine, in this other reality that is kept from the human reality.
	Now, let's start putting a few things into context here on the basis of that and the question that has been asked.
	If you're bringing technology out of the underground bases and you're bringing it into the public arena, You need a cover story and cover people to make it appear as if it has randomly just appeared.
	And so you look at your Bill Gateses and you look at your Elon Musks, etc.
	And they are front vehicles for this transfer of technology into the public arena with a cover story.
	I remember I watched a two-part documentary.
	It wasn't very good because it was on the BBC, but it was a two-part documentary about Silicon Valley.
	It was three or four years ago now.
	And they had this sequence of garage doors, right?
	And it went, this was developed behind this garage door.
	This was developed behind this garage door.
	A series of garage doors where these various technologies are supposed to have been developed.
	And I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, I can just see this cult sitting around a table going, too many garage doors, guys.
	Too many garage doors.
	They're going to suss it.
	Change the cover story.
	No more garage doors.
	Because these are just literally cover stories and cover people to bring this stuff into the public arena as if it's random when it's all coordinated.
	So you look at Elon Musk, who, of course, is...
	Heading up, that's all he's doing, SpaceX, which is putting up all these satellites.
	They want thousands and thousands of them.
	I mean, the astronomical community, astronomy community, are already complaining with a relatively few up there compared with how many that they plan.
	But they can't see the night sky anymore, right?
	And so what are they putting these things up for?
	To beam Wi-Fi and 5G at the Earth from space as part of the creation of this AI global smart grid.
	So he's fronting that up.
	He's fronting up Tesla cars and electrical cars are only just a stepping stone on the totalitarian tiptoe to autonomous cars where no one drives them.
	The computer drives them.
	And where will the computer not take you?
	It will take you nowhere where the authorities don't want you to go.
	We've also got him fronting up this company called Neuralink, which is about connecting computers to the human brain.
	This man is a most blatant, obvious front man for the cult agenda.
	Now, if you go back In Canada in the 1930s, and indeed Columbia University in the 1930s, there was developed a movement called the technocracy movement.
	And the technocracy movement wanted to basically replace the elected political world of government with technocrats controlling everything.
	This is exactly what's happening now.
	And the head of the technocratic party in Canada in the 1930s was the grandfather of Elon Musk.
	Now that's a coincidence.
	He's not doing what he's doing by coincidence.
	And then you look at Bill Gates.
	Bill Gates is a classic technocrat.
	The Rockefellers created the World Health Organization to control health policy from a central point in the world because they knew this stuff that's happening now was coming.
	This is how long it's projected forward.
	If Trump follows through with his defunding of the World Health Organization while moving more money into a Gates Organization called Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance, which wants to vaccinate the world, if he removes that money from the World Health Organization, Bill Gates, technocrat, will be the biggest funder of the World Health Organization because he's the second biggest funder up to this point.
	And Tedros, the Director General, Of the World Health Organization.
	When he moves his mouth, it's Gates speaking.
	And when Gates speaks, it's the cult speaking.
	He's been on the payroll of Gates' organizations.
	Gates is running the World Health Organization, and he's a technocrat.
	And it's not being done by elected...
	What are elected politicians saying all the time?
	We're being led by the science.
	Not by common sense.
	Not by... Say again?
	Didn't Trump stop funding WHO and distance himself from all that?
	I just want to say, whether he's actually removed the money yet is another thing, but he said that he's absolutely going to do that.
	Yes, he is. But at the same time, he's moving more money into Gavi, which is a Gates front.
	And you look at the technocrat Gates, and funnily enough, in the first 85% of the answer, I mentioned Gates many times, even before the lockdowns that he came really to the fore.
	Because if you look at a cult wish list for human society, he's funding all of them.
	Including common core education in America.
	He's everywhere, this guy.
	And if you look at Fauci and Birx, the advisors on the, quote, virus to Trump, they have massive financial connections to Gates.
	The chief medical officer that in many ways is driving the policy in Britain Through the Prime Minister who's just reading the script, this guy called Chris Whitty, massive financial connections to Bill Gates.
	You look at Professor Neil Ferguson and Imperial College in London, which produced the computer models, ludicrous, anyone could see it at the time, for the projected deaths if we didn't lock down so that everyone locked down to stop that happening.
	Massively funded by Bill Gates.
	So here's a classic example in Gates of an unelected technocrat that's driving policy, not least the current policy involving this fake virus.
	Let's bring in another question.
	What action can we take to overcome the banking cartels and international control groups?
	What about the six major media companies?
	Which leaders can we trust?
	Richer, Sandylands and Tweedle.
	Well, I don't think you can trust any leader.
	I don't think you can trust any politician per se.
	They have to earn that trust, not by their words, which are easy, but by their actions.
	So Trump's words were one thing, but his actions have been overwhelmingly another.
	This is not going to be changed by politicians.
	It's not. They're increasingly marginalized by the technocrats anyway.
	I mean, Silicon Valley technocrats has far more power than the American government now, not least in feeding and developing the perceptions of the population.
	It's going to come.
	And I keep coming back to it from non-cooperation from the population.
	That's where it's going to come from.
	Non-cooperation with their own enslavement.
	And that means stiffening the backbone, And doing things that people would rather not do and are quite frightened or very diffident about doing, but they need doing.
	We need to stop. We need to say no to our own enslavement.
	And the precursor to that is to get informed about what's actually happening and why what is happening is happening and therefore realize what we have to not acquiesce to.
	And in terms of banking, the whole foundation of human control on one level is a sleight of hand, a criminal activity in which banks create money out of nothing called credit and charge interest on it.
	And if you don't pay back the money, It figures on a screen credit that has never, does not and will never exist.
	Then the banks get your wealth that does exist, your home, your business, your land, your resources.
	And we're going to see a frenzy of that in the months ahead that will dwarf the impact of The foreclosing of 2008.
	And it's lending people money that doesn't exist and charging interest on it that gives the banking system power over the entire human economy.
	And we need to move to a financial system in which money is created interest-free and that private companies cannot create money out of nothing called credit.
	Why are governments borrowing money through the Federal Reserve, which is just a private banking cartel, why are governments borrowing money from private banks and the population paying interest on it when they're the fricking government?
	Issue your own currency interest-free and take out the banks that way.
	It's possible.
	But you'll note that when anyone has suggested that interest-free money be created, they don't seem to live very long in their politics over the years because this is a massive Achilles heel of the system.
	And that is the end of interest-bearing debt.
	We have a system whereby the money, the unit of exchange that allows economic activity to happen and interaction and purchase and production, that starts out on day one as a debt.
	Because you say to people, and I've said this to people in banking and finance and they haven't known.
	Well I didn't know that they say. You ask people where money comes from and they kind of say,
	oh it's the government and it...
	No, it's not. The overwhelming majority of money comes into circulation by private banks lending non-existent money called credit and charging interest on it.
	So that basic Currency comes into being at its birth as a debt.
	It's why the world's drowning in debt, and debt means control.
	So that banking system has to go and be completely changed.
	But what they are in the process of doing now...
	I mean, my books in the early 1990s were saying the plan is to get rid of cash and have only a digital currency.
	Well, look at what happened during this virus hoax.
	Yeah. Cash is bad now.
	It's contagious. Who said avoid money and use credit cards because you can catch the virus off money?
	Tedros, the Director General of the World Health Organization owned by Bill Gates, the same man who declared that there was a pandemic.
	Right. Let's take another question, Dave.
	We have one more question and then we're out of time.
	Okay. So one more question.
	Let's see what we got here. Go ahead, Laura.
	You can read it. What positive actions and solutions can we take at this time?
	What are you doing to prepare for what lies ahead?
	Well, the most positive action we can do is to stop acquiescing with our own enslavement.
	And that's what I'm doing.
	My preparations...
	I live a life which can be summed up as work Walking and eating and sleeping.
	So I work almost all the time.
	And that's not, oh, look at me, I work so hard.
	I love it because I love uncovering more and more stuff and picking the stones up and seeing what's underneath.
	And then I go out walking three or four times a week.
	And that's my life.
	So what I've done to prepare for what's coming, because...
	They plan this hysteria in the winter.
	And another thing that they're planning is food shortages, which they're manipulating food shortages because food shortages means control.
	So I'm looking after all that.
	I'm making sure that I get my food delivered, which is organized so I don't have to go in shops and wear a mask.
	And I've... Change things around, not that I have to change them much, to the point where I do not have to acquiesce to the system in any way, shape or form in relation to this virus host.
	But if they then bring in, which is what they want, that you can't leave your house without wearing a mask, then I will leave my house and I will not wear a freaking mask.
	And at that point, me and they are going to look each other in the eye and we'll see where it goes from there.
	But I tell you what, I won't be the one to blink because I'm 68.
	My self-identity is that I am a point of attention within an infinite state of consciousness.
	Death is just a transfer of attention.
	That's all death is.
	It's nothing more...
	I've got a picture in the answer of a guy just taking a virtual reality headset off, and I put a caption underneath, my God, I've just died, because that's all it is.
	Right? It's a transfer of attention.
	This body biological computer, as I've been calling it for decades, focuses our attention in this tiny band of frequency and it becomes our reality.
	But when at death, we just withdraw from the vehicle, and suddenly that focus that the body gives us on this tiny band of frequency is no longer there.
	Boom! We expand our awareness.
	So I'm terrified.
	I'm actually terrified.
	I have nightmares about it, of actually leaving the body and exploring forever, forever.
	You know what I mean? That's so beautiful.
	So there's no fear. Because there's nothing to fear and fear is just a manipulated state of being because there's nothing to fear.
	We are all that is, has been and ever can be and we will always be all that is, has been and ever can be and everything else is detail.
	So I'm just going to live my life without acquiescing to the system and if they want to keep pushing and keep pushing to the point where I either stay in my little flat or I look them in the eye.
	Then I'm going to look the buggers in the eye and we'll see where it goes from there.
	But I'm not acquiescing to them.
	No chance. David, thank you for being on our show.
	We're going to end it there. You've been a beautiful guest.
	I can listen to you all day long, but we're out of time.
	And you're like an encyclopedia of just...
	Insane amounts. You're like a Jedi.
	You're a Jedi. And I just want to say thank you for being on our show, Laura.
	Do you have anything to say?
	Oh, thank you so much, David.
	It was incredible. I must be listening to this again and again.
	And I hope you'll join us again sometime.
	You're always welcome on our show.
	Is there any parting words you'd like to tell the audience?
	Well... We got into this mess by believing that we are limited and believing that we have to conform to what other people say we must do and what we must be.
	And once you, as an end in itself, wish to be liked, I wish to be supported as an end in itself.
	You have just conceded your infinite uniqueness.
	It's gone. Because when being liked and being supported and being told how lovely and wonderful you are is an end in itself.
	What you do then is you put your real self aside.
	You put your real opinions aside.
	This is happening on social media all the time.
	And you tell people what they want to hear so they will like you and they will think you're alright and they will think you're all the things that you want people to think about you.
	So if you're going to be true to yourself And true to your uniqueness.
	Then what you do is you say what you really think and you say what you really believe.
	And the world will have to deal with it.
	Instead of you moving to the world so the world likes you and so you get absorbed into the blob of Collective perception.
	You stand out with your uniqueness, your unique opinions, your unique perceptions of life.
	And the world can choose to move towards you or not.
	Whichever. You are still in your uniqueness.
	You're still celebrating your uniqueness.
	Because we, yes, are points of attention within an infinite...
	Flow of consciousness, but we are unique points of attention.
	We have our unique way of looking at life.
	So we are all that is, but we are a unique expression of all that is.
	And once you lose that uniqueness, you get pulled into the collective, which is what the hive mind is and what they want.
	What I would say is celebrate your unique individual self.
	Express it.
	And what people make of it is up to them.
	That's not your problem.
	Thank you, David.
	We're out of time. And if lots of people do that, Then the conformity that holds this cult agenda together, boom, gone.
	We'll collapse. Yeah.
	David, thank you for being on our show so much.
	It's an honor.
	It's an honor. It's been a great pleasure.
	I've loved it. We must do it again.
	Yes, we have to do it again.
	Thank you. Thank you so much.
	Thanks, David. Okay, goodbye.
	Bye, everybody. Bye, everybody.

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