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April 1, 2020 - David Icke
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Extended Lockdowns, A Form Of Mass Torture - David Icke Talks To The TradCatKnight Podcast
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So, let's get started. Let's go.
So, So,
So, So,
There's a lot of rabbit holes when we start talking coronavirus.
There certainly is.
Yeah, I was a professional footballer.
I had to finish with Arthritis at 21.
Became a journalist on newspapers, radio, television.
Became a national presenter for the BBC, BBC television, news and sport.
Became a national spokesman for the British Green Party for a short time, which...
Looking back now was very fortuitous because it gave me an insight into the, if you like, the green woke mind which is behind the climate cult, which is pushing the human-caused global warming hoax, which by the way is demanding the basically same changes in society, not least economic, that are being pushed as a result of the coronavirus.
I then had An amazing series of what you might call paranormal experiences and that sent me on a road over the last 30 years of uncovering who and what runs the world and how and to what end and I've been writing books and talking around the world ever since and the interesting thing is that When I first started, I was the subject, not least in Britain, but around the world as well, of extraordinary historic levels of ridicule.
And now the people who ridiculed me are reading my books and watching the videos on YouTube because what I wrote in my books in the 1990s is now more than ever before since this virus thing broke.
Being read on the television news in changes in society.
And this lockdown, this Orwellian global state that's moved into place so fast, justified by this virus.
Sorry, I'm hearing myself coming back, Eric.
Is it okay now?
A little feedback, is it okay?
Yeah, it's okay. As long as the recording's okay, I'm fine with it.
Some might say I like the sound of my own voice.
Is it okay though now, David?
Yes, good man. Okay.
And so what we're seeing now is ticking every box of the global cult, as I call it, which has no borders.
It operates in every country.
And that's how, as I've been pointing out all these years, through this global web, It can orchestrate the same script over this virus, alleged virus, in country after country after country.
And that's why you're seeing the same things happening everywhere because it's centrally coordinated with the different agents and networks of this cult in different countries imposing the same centrally dictated script.
Yeah, the different tentacles, as Charlie Robinson mentions in his book, The Octopus of Global Control.
Folks, listen, I didn't mention this, but get over to his website right now, bookmark at davidike.com.
Also, iconic.com.
We'll get David a little bit later to talk to us a little bit more about that.
My interview with Charlie Robinson a couple weeks ago is going to go up, I think, over the next month or so on David's platform, kind of breaking down what's happening in the Catholic Church and all the nonsense and A lot of things that we're seeing, one of which is the pandemic police state, which I've been warning about for quite some time.
There are different rabbit holes, so maybe we can kind of pick one apart at a time.
What do you make of this whole social distancing?
This is obviously brainwashing.
You can't turn on the TV without five minutes without seeing some new commercial from McDonald's or MTV celebrity puppets saying, stay home, we're alone together.
I've kind of deduced it to, I think they're using it to close down, obviously, public places, but churches specifically.
I also think it's parlaying into the reality that they don't want people to protest.
You know, a couple people here or there.
You can't get in 50 groups armed, have armed resistance or what not.
You think that's a fair assessment and maybe I'm missing some elements.
There's loads of aspects to it.
First of all, if you look at the bigger, bigger, bigger picture, we are quite clearly seeing a process of driving humans apart so that there is less and less human contact and more and more human AI contact Or human-human contact via AI, where technology is in the middle.
And of course, if you are locking people away, it's mass house arrest.
Let's not mess about. Then you can do things like you can play out the whole 5G rollout even faster and you, you know, identify something else very important.
You know, as this lockdown goes on, we're already starting to see it in Italy.
First of all, it will drive a lot of people crazy just by being stuck in their home day after day, week after week.
That's what's happening in Italy, where the lockdown's been going on now since March the 9th.
And, well, two things.
First of all, they want to stop protests, absolutely, especially as this reaction is bound to come.
And at that point, no doubt they'll introduce the army in big time to stop that happening.
But there's another area that I would like to talk about, and it may seem a very strange thing to say, or a very strange question.
First of all, let me preface that with the classic Nazi philosophy of the bigger the lie, the more we'll believe it, not least because people will not believe Will not believe that such a lie would ever be told to them.
Oh, small lies. Yes, I accept that.
Yeah, politicians lie.
But the size of the lie, once it reaches a certain point, it loses credibility in terms of being a lie because people say they wouldn't lie that big.
So the question I'm moving around to is, is there a virus?
Is there a virus? Is there a COVID-19?
Because I've spent weeks now looking at the opinions and the expertise of doctors and specialists and virologists who are not getting access to the mainstream media, but are experts in their field.
And they invariably say there is not A COVID-19.
And that the scam is being played like this.
I've got some videos on my website which I go into this in great detail.
First of all...
During the flu season and the winter and into the spring, there are enormous amounts of people around the world who have the same symptoms as the so-called COVID-19.
Right. We should also remember that according to the Italian National Health Organization, Ninety-nine percent of those who've died of, quote, COVID-19 in Italy have had one, two, three or more other health problems.
Many times life-threatening and certainly immune system draining.
And what seems to have happened as one German doctor said.
We don't have a new virus.
We have a new test.
And this this is the story, Eric, that's emerging.
They come up with a new virus called COVID-19.
They start out by diagnosing it through symptoms.
These symptoms just happen to mirror loads of other things that are going around in this same period that this outbreak, as he's claimed, has happened.
And so they put out into the medical system, watch for these symptoms.
It's COVID-19.
There's a pandemic.
So what they do is they take these symptoms, which are symptoms that happen this time of year anyway in vast numbers of people.
For instance, in 2017-2018, 45 million Americans went down with the flu and between 60,000 and 80,000 Americans died.
So does anybody remember that?
Was the economy shut down?
Were people put under house arrest?
No, because this is a scam.
So then they introduced the test.
Now, what these doctors and scientists that I've been researching say is that this PCR test for the virus does not test for COVID-19.
Specifically. It tests for coronavirus.
Coronavirus is a big family of viruses, includes the common cold.
And we have them, virtually all of them.
As these doctors and specialists have said, we already have all these viruses, but they do not affect us.
They do not make us sick.
Because they're not in sufficient quantities to do that.
So our body, we just live with them all the time.
And coronaviruses are incredibly common.
The vast majority of people in the world will have them.
So when they test for coronaviruses, they're going to find a lot of people that have them, but they haven't got COVID-19.
You know, I hear people say in the mainstream media, oh, we know so little about this COVID-19.
There's so much more to know.
Well, maybe we don't know much about it because...
There isn't a COVID-19.
There's just other viruses in the coronavirus family and pneumonia and such like that have the same symptoms and will test positive in this so-called test.
The other thing that's happening, well, many other things that's happening, I mean, I could quote the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who actually say in their own statements that although you're testing for a virus, it doesn't mean that virus is making you sick and it doesn't mean that there are other viruses and pathogens in your body that might be making you sick.
So what's happening is There's a phrase, Eric, that I keep seeing in the media.
It's not so-and-so number have died from coronavirus.
It's so-and-so number have died after testing positive for coronavirus.
Now that's not the same thing.
So what's happening is, if you die or you are very sick, I mean, they are testing late-stage cancer patients for coronavirus, right?
And when you test positive, that goes on your death certificate.
But as these doctors point out, this PCR test for coronaviruses...
Does not have the ability to ascertain how much of the virus you have.
So therefore, that's what they call viral load.
Unless the virus, and this is a quote from one of them, that the virus has to be there in massive amounts.
For you to get sick.
So we have a test that according to these experts who are banned from the mainstream media, it doesn't test for COVID-19.
It tests for coronaviruses, which almost everyone has in some form.
And it cannot detect the amount of virus you have in the body, thus, if it's affecting you at all.
And this is why they pointed this out.
This is why the vast overwhelming majority...
Of people who, quote, tested positive for these coronaviruses in these tests have had either no symptoms or mild, very mild symptoms.
And it's described as people with mild, flu-like, cold-like symptoms.
And as these experts pointed out, that's because coronaviruses are...
Flu-like, cold-like symptoms.
So then you look at this, Eric, in relation to what I've just said.
The death rate in Britain, from all causes, when compared between 2019 and 2020, shows virtually no difference.
Between 2019, no coronavirus, and 2020, in the same period of weeks.
You look at the European death rate, where all these people are supposed to have died of coronavirus, and that is pretty much the same.
Certainly not significantly different to explain all these so-called coronavirus deaths.
But if you are picking people up who are dying or very sick of other things like extreme flu, like pneumonia, like cancer, whatever, and you are redesignating them to have died with coronavirus, that would explain why the death rate's not gone up, but coronavirus deaths have.
You follow what I'm saying?
Yeah. So that's the question that they need to answer.
How is this possible?
And by the way, just before I finish this point, the visits in Britain to emergency hospital centres are fewer in their ratio In this period of 2020 of the coronavirus than they were in the same period in 2019.
Explain. And this is why more and more we're seeing videos and phone videos being posted on the internet of hospitals that are supposed to be war zones where they're basically empty.
If people go to my website...
Yeah, I just retweeted it, Dave.
Yeah, when this is finished. There's a video on there presented by a German journalist Who goes to a so-called emergency coronavirus center in Germany, Germany's biggest hospital.
In fact, one of the biggest in Europe, university hospitals in Europe.
There's nobody there.
It's empty. And he goes on to talk and use the clips of a series of doctors in Italy and Germany and Austria who are making these points there's nothing different as they are saying if there wasn't a new test no one would be casting a hair because nothing would be different to every other year it's the test that is the way they pulled it off Yeah, I just retweeted that.
I saw that this morning. That's quite interesting.
Major false flag.
There could be nothing bigger because they can accomplish so many different agendas and get so many things accomplished in a short period of time.
We've seen how everything's unraveled here in the past month.
I thought, honestly, the pandemic police state carpet is going to be played a little bit longer on the timeline.
I was thinking more like 2022, so I'm a little bit surprised it's this early.
So I don't know if they're scrambling or not.
I wanted to get your opinion on that.
But some of the latest headlines, folks, we had out this morning.
I know David's talking about this.
Apparently now England or London might be on lockdown for six months.
I had a lot of friends saying, oh, this is only going to be a couple of weeks or whatnot.
I'm like, nope, you better prepare.
This is going to keep spiraling out of control.
And who knows? Probably by late spring, they'll say the coronavirus is under control, and guess what?
A mutant strain. It's mutated.
Now it's going to start all over again.
And then the other headline I wanted to get across, it was on Drudge Report today.
Pentagon orders essential staff to deep underground mountain bunker as pandemic prep escalates.
That's a little concerning, I guess you could say, probably, for some.
But talk to us... About, if you could, this next area here, because I know you and I have been tooting a horn on this for a while, the vaccine agenda.
Problem, reaction, solution.
Problem, quote-unquote, virus, reaction, hysteria.
No one wants to leave their house anymore.
No one wants to touch anything.
You already mentioned the AI aspect.
But then the solution, at least part of the solution, is the vaccines, right?
We should all know that there's all kinds of nasty stuff in those vaccines.
But how are you breaking that down?
How are you analyzing this?
We've got testing areas here in the United States where they're only just testing.
The next step, it seems like, will be, hey, if you haven't been tested and if you test quote-unquote positive for this, they'll just probably zap you with a vaccine on spot.
And by the way, they're also setting up interstate travel bans this morning, David, along the Florida-Alabama state lines.
They've got checkpoints up now.
We've got checkpoints in Britain to see where the police are asking people where they're going and then the police decide if that's essential travel or not.
My son Jamie was stopped by the police two days ago.
For walking his dog alone in the middle of nowhere with no one else in sight.
So this is clearly nothing to do with health.
It's a total scam.
It's to do with control and it's to do with destroying the world economy to make everyone dependent upon the state and the authorities.
In terms of the vaccine, that is definitely a massive punchline.
I don't know whether you heard, Eric, but the Danish government, you know, the free Denmark, you know, oh, it's so free in Denmark.
They've passed a law to make vaccination for coronavirus compulsory, mandatory, and they don't even know what's in it.
But I said right at the start when this broke, The vaccine already exists.
It's just ridiculous.
If you follow this, the vaccine already exists.
But they need this to play out a bit to wind up the hysteria.
And one of the things they'll do is, you know, if you want to come out your home and you need to be vaccinated, or there'll be big restrictions continuing on people that are not vaccinated, And the vaccine will contain, I absolutely would say, enormous numbers of contents and toxins, including nanotechnology, that will start the transformation of the human body.
It will start to mutate DNA. I've been writing about this for so long that this is the vaccine agenda.
So what they're looking for...
And if you look, always look at the sequence of events before these things happen, these major things.
You've had the Systematic, around the world, targeting of so-called anti-vaxxers, anyone who's questioning vaccines.
You've had the movement gathering pace in America, not least, around the states for compulsory vaccination.
We've had a moronic Secretary of State for Health in Britain about six months ago saying he is minded to make vaccinations mandatory.
But, you know, as I pointed out in the video the other day, there's 60, if you take the British example, there's 66 million people in Britain.
The people who are driving this are tiny in number, tiny.
And so people can either sit there and take it or they can look at the evidence and say we're being scammed here.
We are seeing the first signs in Italy of a reaction against this.
And we are going to see that reaction in other places.
Because you can't lock people down in their homes for months on end.
It's a form of...
Well, it's well beyond a form of abuse, but it's actually a form of torture.
It's a form of mass torture.
And so...
People will have to decide whether they can look themselves in the mirror with self-respect or whether they're just going to sit there and accept this crap.
Yeah. Now, you mentioned, too, I've been talking about this now for a while, as microchipping has become more of a novelty.
We saw the World Health Organization come out, and as a result of the coronavirus, we can no longer touch cash.
They want to ban cash now.
That's going to be a huge trend in 2020.
I know you've been talking about that.
But here in the United States, all of a sudden, Trump—and listen, I know you don't know me well enough, but within the traditional Catholic circle— I'm one of, like, the only voices pointing out how Trump is a puppet, and I take all kinds of crap for it, okay?
And we just got to call a spade a spade.
This guy's a fraud. The whole good cop, bad cop thing, you got to see through the white lines on that.
But now, all of a sudden, they want to roll out UBI, right?
Give us $1,200 or something as if that's going to help or whatnot.
And as you mentioned, they'll just pull the rug out beneath our feet.
And they'll just say one day, all you got to do is take this microchip, just take this mark now.
It's evolutionary, right?
This is one of the major factors and the major motivations, Eric, of this whole virus scam.
It's to destroy...
I mean, I heard in parts of the alternative media that this was some bioweapon genocidal virus.
I'm not saying they don't have these things.
They bloody well do. But I never thought that that's what this was.
It's motivation is control and it's economic.
So what they're doing is they are taking away in vast global numbers I mean, you know, the restaurant business alone in America, which is the biggest private sector employer in America, is the best part of 16 million people.
And they shut it down.
So you're having small business, mom and pop businesses, and even bigger businesses that are not connected to this cult, that are being destroyed.
And of course, the jobs of all the people that work for them are being destroyed.
Now that creates, on purpose, Economic dependency.
And so when you are dependent on the state, and by the way, whose money are they giving to us?
Our own. Our money.
Right, yeah. That's going to come with strings.
So I've said for years that if you want to see what the West is going to be like tomorrow, unless we wake up fast, then look at China today.
And China is... It's an interesting area, not least in relation to this virus, because I'm just finishing a new book.
It couldn't come out at a better time because of what's happening.
There's a whole chapter on all this stuff, which I'm still in the process of writing, but I've written all the rest.
One of the aspects that I look at is the The Chinese blueprint, the Chinese model of control being the blueprint for the world.
This is why the Silicon Valley psychopaths are so close to China because they want to bring the China model to the West.
They're already doing it because the plan is to create a global technocracy without any elected politicians just run by technocrats and bureaucrats and engineers and scientists, etc.
And so if you look at the process of and the sequence of events, the virus is supposed to have started in China.
And we had all this hysteria over what was going on in China.
And then they had this big lockdown and beyond draconian stuff.
And then It all died down.
Have you noticed how it's disappeared in China so fast?
Right? Well, if you start a process in China of testing and you diagnose on symptoms something you call COVID-19 which are the same symptoms of loads of other things Then you can start diagnosing people who die and people who've got it as people who've got COVID-19.
So suddenly the numbers start to increase and the Chinese people, who are just victims of this, they all think they're all going to die because of COVID-19.
And oh my God, this lockdown and all this stuff.
And then when you then play that scam, Same cult, no borders.
And China's a big center for this cult.
You then start that process in the rest of the world.
And what you say is the virus is spreading.
Ah! But what happens in China?
How have the numbers suddenly disappeared?
Lockdown? No.
They just redesignate or stop designating the people with normal coronavirus and respiratory symptoms.
They stop designating them COVID-19.
And so suddenly the numbers fall.
When there was No COVID-19 to start with.
They've just changed the way they diagnose people, designate people and process the numbers.
So now China is building up its economic strength again.
At a time that you can buy vast amounts of the Western economy for cents on the dollar.
And you know what? That's what they're doing.
And that's what they're going to do.
Because it's all part of this process.
It's not that China is supposed to control the world, but the Chinese model of control is meant to be global.
And so if we come round to this Economic dependency.
I've actually written in this new book about this, and I've mentioned it in previous books, but I've gone into a bit more in this one.
And the amazing thing for me is that I'd finished the book before this virus basically broke out.
And now at the end, towards the end, there is this chapter in which everything I've said before Is Boktix as a result of this virus.
So one of the things I talked about was the fact that they plan to crash the economy and that they would, because of that and because of all the jobs being taken by AI, They would introduce something called a guaranteed income.
You know, people like Zuckerberg have said it's a good thing, so you know it's a bad thing, and you know it's a scam.
So let me just connect that to China.
The idea, and it started because of this virus, the idea is that the population becomes dependent on the state in what I call the Hunger Games Society.
And that you have a few, the tiny few, massively wealthy running things.
You have the rest of the population at the bottom of the pyramid of the Hunger Games Society in deprivation and dependency to the ones at the top.
And you have a police military state in between them to hold that status quo.
That, of course, that police military state is being very much advanced as a result of this virus scam because that's what it is.
So the idea is to say, okay, we're going to pay you because all your jobs are being taken by AI and the economy has been trashed anyway, especially now, massively, globally.
We're going to pay you a guaranteed income so that you can, you know, survive.
This guaranteed income will be extremely small and will be basically survival or less than survival level.
And if you don't want it, Then the authorities will say, okay, well, don't have it then, but are you going to earn a living?
All the jobs are gone. And if you do accept it, okay, well, that's good, yeah, because we're kind.
But there are a few strings I just want to tell you about.
If you behave the way the government, the authorities want, you will get the guaranteed income, okay, because we're nice people.
If you don't, ah, well, that's a problem.
Now let's go to China.
In China, they have this social credit system, because all this is meant to be run by AI, not even with human involvement.
If you go to China, they have this social credit system.
And what happens is that if you behave the way the government wants, and of course, they have this technocratic, technocracy society in China.
They have millions of face recognition cameras in every city.
And so people are tracked in real time, 24-7.
I've seen documentaries and news reports where they've tested the system by sending someone out, you know, into the street among the people.
And they've tested how long it takes the authorities to find them, seconds, a couple of minutes at most.
So you're being tracked all the time.
And through AI, your behavior is being logged.
And if you behave the way the state wants you get social credits.
And if you don't, you have social credits taken away.
And if you have so many taken away that you reach a certain level, then consequences start to kick in.
I said in my last book, millions of people in China are being banned from flying and banned even from going on a train because their social credit score has fallen.
Now, this whole process of a guaranteed income and all that stuff that's emerging, not least through this virus scam, Is how it's supposed to work in the West as well.
And so that's what that's all about.
Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it.
I say that too as well. I liken it to the Mad Max Society as well, where you got that kind of one central figure who has the control of the water and he distributes it out to the people as long as they bow down and worship him.
Talk to us about the role of mainstream media.
This is huge. You and I both cover this in our work.
I mean, obviously saw as soon as this thing broke, You had toilet paper wars all over the place.
You got old ladies fighting throwing shoes at one another just, you know, over, you know, resources or whatnot.
The amount of hysteria and fear that the mainstream media can propagate on people.
We now have, to such a level here in the United States, not sure if you've seen these stories, where people, if they hear their neighbors coughing, they'll call 911 on them.
Oh yeah, we have that, yeah.
We have that. What the British police have done, Eric, is set up hotlines so people can report their neighbours and others if they go out.
Because the law here...
Is that now?
Because, you know, we now live in a fascist state in Britain.
I mean, it's not a beating about the bush.
We do. And so you can't go out with more than one other person.
You can't you can't gather with more than two people unless they are people who are living with you in the same house.
And you can go for food.
But as little as possible.
And you can go out once a day for one form of exercise.
And there's people reporting other people for going out more than once.
And I said in a video yesterday, I'm going to go out whenever I choose.
And What I mean by that is I'm not going to go out and, you know, mingle with people.
But I live in a flat and I walk out my flat and I get in my car.
I never see anybody. I'm in my car alone.
I drive out into the countryside.
I do this regularly.
I've done for years. And I walk through the countryside.
I don't see anybody. I then get back in the car.
And drive home. Get out of the car.
I don't see anybody. Go back to the flat.
Now, what I've said on that video is if anyone in uniform or dark suit wants to come to me and explain how I am a danger to anyone, even under their, I don't accept their ludicrous criteria because it's a scam, but I'll accept that.
If people want to be terrified, then I won't go near them.
I don't want to go near them. I want them to explain to me how me doing what I've just described could possibly be of any harm to anyone, no matter how many times I do it per day.
But people are being stopped for doing that.
You know, we've got a police force in a county called Derbyshire, Derbyshire Police.
And, oh, they are notorious, you know, They're so far right, they meet themselves coming back.
I mean, there will be some very decent, genuine officers in that force, but there's some serious freaking psychopaths.
And what they've been doing is flying drones over areas, because parts of Derbyshire are absolutely beautiful, the Derbyshire hills and the Derbyshire dales, and there's vast areas of land where you hardly see a soul, and people go out walking, walking alone or whatever.
They are putting drones up to film people who are walking alone in the middle of bloody nowhere and putting them on the internet to shame people.
What they don't realize, because they're not very bright, is they're shaming themselves.
And so this is the scale that we're dealing with.
And surely, you know, if we're going to have any self-respect, People should be saying, well, hold on a minute.
If people don't want us to come within six feet of them, whatever Oh, is it?
Oh, yes! It's six feet here.
What's it in other countries?
Obviously, the virus has different foreign entities, you know, and it doesn't jump so far in some countries as it does in others, you know.
Anyway, so they're going to have some self-respect.
They say, look, okay, people don't want me coming within six feet of them because, you know, they've bought the lie, but Why can't I go out when I choose, so long as I don't go within six feet of people?
And what you're seeing, because it makes no sense, it makes no sense because it's nonsensical, because it's not about health, it's about control.
So, if you...
If you look at the story about my son who was stopped in the middle of nowhere with his dog, they said it was non-essential travel, even though he was alone with the dog.
He had to walk the dog near his home.
And what does that mean?
There's a lot more people in the streets.
Yeah. It's absolute insanity.
I'll tell you one more story about Derbyshire police.
This is how ludicrous it is, you know, because like I say, there's a lot of genuine, decent police officers, but there are a significant number of psychopaths and there's a very significant number of complete village idiots.
And there's a beauty spot in Derbyshire called the Blue Lagoon.
People like going there. And so what the Derbyshire police have done is poured black dye into the Blue Lagoon and ruined it to deter people from going there because of the virus.
This is what you're dealing with, you know.
And so what it does is it shows you just how tenuous freedom is.
Yeah, you know that mantra, out of chaos comes order, and they're leading us into chaos with the lockdowns.
It's just a matter of time. I mean, listen, here in the United States, we've got a lot of zombies here.
A lot of people are still sheeples, perhaps to some degree waking up.
But we're not stupid enough across the scale to give up our guns, right?
So it's just a matter of time, I think, where there's going to be some kind of reactionary movement in one particular state.
People will see it on TV, then it can kind of catch fire.
And I'm thinking this could be a very bloody year across the board.
Yeah, well, the thing is about guns is that I don't like guns and I don't have guns.
But, this is not really a gun country, so you wouldn't expect me to be any different, although, you know, some people do, but...
People in America have been having the wrong debate because the woke mentality is just about comatose in terms of understanding how they're being violin played by this elite to press for the very society that the elite wants.
But it's the wrong debate.
The debate is not should people have guns or not have guns.
That's a debate people can have.
But it's why are the authorities clearly so intent and so anxious To take guns away from the population at a time when police forces, for instance, are more and more armed to the teeth with military weaponry and military technology.
When you put the two together and you put the situation now together, you can see why.
It's very much easier To control and impose your will on an unarmed population than an armed population.
And the pushback against disarmament of Americans, the vast majority of whom don't use their guns for violence against people at all.
Right. The pushback, I think, has been very important because I think that by the time they threw this in, they wanted the disarmament of Americans to be a lot further along the road than it is.
I agree. And on that point, Eric, you mentioned earlier about, you know, why are they doing it now?
And I do think there is some panic here because people, I mean, I've been on this road for 30 years.
I remember what it was like 30 years ago.
No one, virtually no one wanted to know.
No one could even begin almost, not no one, but virtually no one, to comprehend what was being planned or that it would be possible.
But now, as a result of world events and the sequence going getting more and more extreme, people are waking up.
And I tell you what, this thing could massively backfire.
Because when people like me have said over the decades that the plan is that a few people covertly control the world, and the idea is that they create a society in which they overtly control the world.
And people have said, ah, a few people can't control billions.
Well, actually, they've done it in a matter of almost days.
And so this whole resistance It's not possible, mate.
This central control system you're talking about can't exist because there's too many people.
Now, that's history.
You will never be able to argue that case again.
So more and more people, as a result of this, are in a position where they can now comprehend the The existence of this control system and where it wants to take us.
And I think, what I know from my own experience, that this has been moving.
And I think there is some desperation in this.
Trying to push it along.
9-11 was another example.
Trying to push their agenda along in a big leap because of the event that they create.
Yeah, they have to make it seem like it's a good thing.
We've only got about five minutes left here, David, and this has been an absolutely phenomenal talk.
Hopefully we can get you back on next month.
What I kind of find interesting in the whole good cop, you know, Trump kind of crowd is this.
Some years ago, when you would talk to a conservative and you made mention of an economic collapse...
martial law and all that stuff you'd be like oh no that's a bad thing now that
Trump's come out of the scene you got this whole QAnon thing I don't know
what your take is on it I think it's all CIA psyop now martial law is a good
thing Trump has got everything under control he's gonna put the pedos in jail
I'm like really I'm like this is a good thing I don't get it. Mate, I could talk to you for hours about this.
I've been on this road for 30 years and I have lost count going right back way into the 1990s Of the same sequence being told to me that the good guys are going to, on the inside, the good guys in the deep state are going to sort these bad guys out.
They've even talked in those childish terms of good guys and bad guys.
And they give often a little A different name to what the good guys are or the so-and-sos are going to do it.
And people are going to be arrested.
David Rockefeller at one time is going to be arrested.
It's a load of old bloody garbage, mate.
And it's like, you know, If you go into a school playground, even now, well, you can't in Britain because schools close, but if you do, you can hear the same jokes and the same stories that you heard at school yourself all that time ago.
I'm just amazed.
I've got to tell you a joke, and you think, well, we were telling that joke in the playground in the 50s, you know?
And this whole, oh, the good guys are going to come, is just like that.
It's just the same story being repeated.
And what it says is, we don't have to do anything because the good guys are going to sort it out for us.
It's just another version of, oh, estate, tell me what to think.
Same thing. We have to sort it out.
And by the way, there are billions of us compared with a relative handful of people who are behind this.
So I do see a way out of this, but only if people summon some backbone and summon some self-respect and start saying we're not having it anymore because they cannot do this without our cooperation.
What would happen if Billions, even millions of people walked out of their homes and said, we're not having this anymore.
We're not having it. They wouldn't be able to cope, would they?
One or two do it.
Gotcha. Large numbers do it.
They couldn't cope. So the answers, we have the answer.
It's just whether people have got the backbone of the round ones to actually, and the self-respect, to say enough's enough.
Yeah, that's it, David.
Absolutely phenomenal opening talk here with David Icke.
As I mentioned at the top of the podcast, this video interview, we do some shameless self-promotion time, so let's talk a little bit about DavidIcke.com.
Let's talk Iconic.com.
Let's talk about some of your books, perhaps, and we'll close out the show after.
Well, in terms of the books, the last one's called The Trigger, and that exposes who did 9-11, and it weren't 19 hijackers from Saudi Arabia and the Arab world.
And it was actually a secret society known as Sabatine Frankis, which operate out of Israel.
So that's all there in great detail.
And in telling the story of 9-11, I obviously tell the story of the whole global conspiracy in general, of which that was a part.
There's another book before that, which was called Everything You Need to Know But Have Never Been Told.
That's a phenomenal pull together.
But iconic, or there's also a film of my life that people can see online.
Renegade! Renegade, yeah.
And what's good about Renegade?
I had nothing to do with it. Well, I did, because I'm in it.
But I didn't have anything to do with the editing or shooting of it.
But the people that did it were people that weren't at that time into my work.
And so it's been very well edited as a wonderful introduction to this whole conspiracy in about 90 minutes.
I'm very pleased the way it came out.
But Iconic is something that my son Jamie put together.
My input is that I have things on there that I do and I do a weekly 90 minute pull together of the week's news on there every week.
But it's a phenomenal platform already.
It's not been going that long, of documentaries and of series, etc.
Of all different subjects, of every subject you can imagine, that is...
Of the whole arena of challenging the norms, challenging the official stories in every area of life, including the nature of reality.
And he's, Jamie's just finished filming in about, what was it, America, New Zealand?
Yeah, it's about four countries.
A documentary for Iconic on the whole impact Upon humanity, psychologically and physically, of the whole Wi-Fi, electromagnetic technology arena.
It's called Unnatural. Because to us, it is unnatural.
And it's going to be out in just a matter of weeks.
And anyone who subscribes to Iconic will see that for free, as well as all the other content, which is now Legion on Iconic.
Including a whole series that I did.
Lots of other people have done.
He's done a fantastic job.
I'm so pleased. And one of the reasons that we went with this was you can see the mainstream internet more and more censoring.
I mean, the British government's announced today it's going to start censoring people who are challenging the official story of the coronavirus.
They're calling it fake news.
You know, if you want fake news, go to the mainstream media.
You know, you're drowning in it.
But so...
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