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THE THREAT OF GLOBALISM Dinesh D'Souza Podcast Ep1197
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Is the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians the revival of an ancient conflict recorded in the Bible?
The nation of Israel is a resurrected nation.
What if there was going to be a resurrection of another people, an enemy people of Israel?
The Dragon's Prophecy.
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Hi, everyone.
I'm Danielle D'Souza Gill, and I am so delighted to be hosting Dinesh's podcast today.
I am the author of two books, Why God, an Intelligent Discussion on the Relevance of Faith and the Choice, the Abortion Divide in America.
I live in North Texas with my husband, Brandon Gill, and we have two children, Marigold and Winston.
So I'm mostly busy with that, but love to host the podcast when I can.
But today, we're going to be talking a lot about the threats of globalism.
We're going to be talking about what is happening in this global elite cabal that is looking to fundamentally change not just our country, but the entire world.
We're also going to talk to Dinesh a little bit today.
Also, we're going to ask him about some things he's been up to and what he thinks about the Mom Donnie race in New York City and the prospect of AOC as running for president.
This is the Dinesh D'Souza Podcast.
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And the serpent said to the woman, you surely shall not die.
It's just a few words, but chances are you recognize the line and your immediate reaction is likely one of disgust.
Why?
Because you know now that it is a lie.
The serpent in the Garden of Eden was lying when he made this promise to Eve.
He wanted to trick her into eating the forbidden fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
It's the provocation leading to the moment known as the fall, humanity's fall from God's grace.
This story of deception and personal weakness, good and evil, is as old as time.
It echoes and assails us daily.
That evil exists, surprise no one.
But humanity has a knack for forgetting how evil reproduces.
On an individual level, evil spreads when human weaknesses like pride or greed are not kept in check.
Personal failings can lead us to commit horrible acts, and if our conscience troubles us, we are tempted to justify our choices with plausible, if untrue, rationales.
On a societal level, evil flourishes by means of deception.
Through smokescreens and lies, even the innocent can be tricked into doing the wrong thing.
If a society's institutions consistently obscure the truth or even repeat easily spotted lies, horrific evils become commonplace because the line between good and evil is blurred.
Hannah Arendt, a philosopher whose works examine evil, explains, quote, this constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie, but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore.
A people that can no longer distinguish between truth and lies cannot distinguish between right and wrong.
And such a people, deprived of the power to think and judge, is, without knowing and willing it, completely subjected to the rule of lies.
With such a people, you can do whatever you want.
Are we becoming such a people?
So used to being lied to that we have lost our understanding of right and wrong.
On a personal level, individuals are they more prone to excuse bad behavior.
Both elements, personal weakness and deception, are evident in the story of the fall in the book of Genesis.
So are these struggles part and parcel with the human experience?
It's certainly true that we face these same external and internal battles today.
It's also true that the battle between good and evil will never be resolved on this earth.
Even though we'll never be completely rid of evil, we aren't called to simply give up.
We have a role to play in fighting it.
We work on our own personal failings internally.
And externally, we labor to stop the deceivers who destroy our society's moral compass and lead others to cooperate with evil.
Let's be honest, we haven't been very good at either lately, but that is changing.
In fact, many people are waking up to the realization that evil has been running amok, unchecked, untethered, for far too long now.
Arguably, the greatest evil of our time has to be the power of the serpent to bend whole governments to its will.
For years now, our own government has been pushing evil policies that inhibit our ability to resist the machinations of the worst among us.
We've allowed bad people to make us weaker, weaker as a society, as a nation, whether it's a radical division through DEI, the destruction of families through abortion and incentivized single motherhood or violence spurred on by the hyperbolic rhetoric of the Democrats.
Endless political schemes and social experiments have hollowed out American industry while simultaneously ripping our family structures apart at the seams.
This agenda of self-destruction has been a project of the American left for a solid generation now.
As the political right has endeavored to extricate itself from globalism, the left has conversely become more captive to the myriad institutions that globalism has co-opted.
In many ways, our society today stands as the tattered remnants of a post-apocalyptic America.
We have awakened slowly to the devastation.
It's not an apocalypse in the usual sense of a nuclear holocaust, but a soft apocalypse metaphorically implemented with methodical cruelty.
The kind where you wake up and suddenly realize your government, your schools, your doctors, and your media have decided that we need to subjugate ourselves to their rule or die.
This happened over many long years of lies.
We need immigration because Americans won't work, or we need, you know, this and that, all kinds of excuses, or because we aren't having babies, we need more immigrants, or because of global warming, we have to do this.
We need to keep criminal gangs on the streets because it'll somehow correct systemic racism.
We've been listening to all of these lies.
We need to forfeit the right to teach our children morals because the only true goodness is the license to commit unrestrained depravities.
We went from comply or be called intolerant to comply or die in the span of a few short years.
Of course, we have been fighting back.
These lies have been taking over, but we have been setting the course correct on a better path.
It took a lot of sacrifice and many long years of suffering, but we eventually won back enough of the country to set America on a road to recovery.
Thanks to Trump's America First Revolution, people have realized that the evils of these lies were due to the money, the power, the machinations of a group we now know as the globalists.
Now, going back to, let's say, pre-Trump, going back to the Obama era, I don't think people really realized what these guys were up to.
They didn't really realize that this was going to be a big threat.
I think people thought, you know, the evils were really here at home, which a lot of them are.
But I think we were in a different time where all of a sudden under Obama, he became this president that was supposed to be hope and change, was supposed to be a great uniform, but ended up being the great divider.
He ended up being much worse than anything we could have imagined in kind of the good old boy politics of Clinton and Bush and all of that.
Not that that's good, but the politics that's just a little bit more maybe where the two parties aren't as completely polar opposite.
Well, that changed under Obama.
Under Obama, he radicalized the Democrat Party and he wanted to move us more toward socialism and move us down a road that's completely destructive to the country.
Obviously, Democrats before him were also wanting to do this, but I think Obama signified a change in the Democrats where they just became increasingly radicalized.
So then under Trump, Trump comes in.
He is our answer to this in the sense that he's America first, and he's going to do something revolutionary that has really not been done amongst recent presidents and taking our focus back to what's best for Americans, not for global elites.
Now, this idea of globalism, I think, has been there, but we only really started to see just how destructive it was in the last decade, I think.
Once we've seen, you know, these big kind of billionaire, Soros-funded races, we've seen all of this, I guess you could say, just overall plan to make sure that the working class American doesn't get ahead.
And over time, we realized that globalism was little more than a form of crypto communism.
But communism is itself never anything more than just a cynical power grab by greedy and well-placed elites.
As you know, in communist societies, there's always the, you know, very tiny elite at the top.
They're the ones taking everything.
They're the rulers.
And then everybody else is like a serf.
So similarly with globalism, we see so much of these similarities with communism.
Lurking behind all the appeals to the Marxist faux ideology of equality, when in fact, if there is any equality, it's really only an equally bad life for everybody.
And then, of course, vast inequality with the overlords.
But looking behind these appeals to the Marxist faux ideology, there's always a contingent of wealthy power brokers drunk on their own hubris.
No matter the communist revolution in question, be it Russian, Chinese, Cuban, or Vietnamese, these seismic shifts toward Marxism always end up with a tyrannical ruling elite and an impoverished, demoralized population.
Technology has added wings to the dreams of would-be globalist despots.
We have Quadrateur Capital, which gives billions to laboratories across the globe.
We have Colorado State University to the University of Exeter in order to bankroll research and how we can black out the sun to prevent global warming and thereby tighten control over agriculture while causing untold damage to countries that refuse to bow to globalist climate demands.
And of course, this is all about control because this small segment of the elite, they want to control the vast number of human beings on earth.
And that is through sheer brute force and power.
That may look different today because of modernity and technology and all this.
You may think, whoa, I'm not being controlled.
No one's holding me back.
No one's holding me down.
Well, think about how much of technology controls us.
Think about all of the subliminal messaging that is sent to us constantly.
Think about algorithms, even on social media, that can figure out and read what exactly you're doing and what exactly you want to see next.
And these elites, these globalist-minded elites, I should say, because not all elites are bad, but the ones who are conspiring for globalism, they know that there are ways that they can pull the levers of power, pull the strings to control us more so without most of us even realizing it.
The World Economic Forum acts as financial benefactor and media cheerleader for inserting microchips under everyone's skin.
The plan is to combine these with ubiquitous surveillance to monitor commerce, prevent crime, and curb wrongthink.
In a 2018 article on their website, the World Economic Forum praises the Swedish government's push to get as many people as possible chipped.
They reference a 28-year-old woman who gushes about the ease with which she can use her chip to access her gym, ride the train, pay for a concert ticket, even unlock the door to her office building.
Of course, the woman notes when the chip was inserted, she felt just a slight sting.
These are the plans of the globalist crypto communists.
They want to deprive us of the freedom to worship.
They want to monitor our every movement.
This is why they want to move us to a cashless society.
They want to control the money.
They want to control the currency.
They don't want you to have any backup stash or any freedom with your own money that you've worked for.
They want to make our healthcare choices for us.
They want to decide what vaccines you get and what you don't.
And they also want to choose what kind of food we eat.
We've covered this group before.
They're not even about what's best for you.
This would be horrible, you know, even if it's what's best for you.
But let's just say, even if it, even if it was, this is so much control over the individual's right to freedom.
And then when we look at the things they want to do, they're actually not good.
You know, the, let's say, the health side, the health things that they're pushing, they're not proven to be more healthy.
If we look at the food, for example, I mean, most of these people push fast food.
They push all kinds of things that have horrible additives, horrible stuff.
But why?
Because there's money there and because these are big companies.
And then we see other ways they say, oh, no, no, don't eat meat, just eat bugs.
So there's no consistency to any of this because I'm just like, oh, it's about climate change, so-and-so.
But there's no consistency to any of this.
There's no one particular health benefit because there's just no truth behind it.
But what they do want is control and what they do want is power.
These are the self-styled elites who declare, we'll own nothing and be happy.
None of us need to own homes.
We'll just rent forever.
That's okay.
Even though they'll just keep increasing the rent, even though at the end of the day, you'll end up owning nothing and quote, being happy.
It's time for us to shut up, eat the bugs, a group of people who are wrong about what's wrong with the world and twice as wrong about how to make it right.
Yet they see themselves as our saviors.
They run on equal yet endless supplies of hubris and stupidity.
These are people who are completely devoid of God, and they find their religion, they find their meaning in this.
They think that they can play God and control the rest of us, control the rest of the world, create outcomes that they think they deem the right outcome.
And there's a reason why we call them globalists.
It's due to their pretensions to rule not just our country, but all of the countries in the world.
I don't think they view countries necessarily as countries.
They just view human bodies and people as people that they can control.
And even as we fight them here in America, they're hard at work trying to destroy pretty much everywhere else, too.
It's not always easy to spot them in a crowd.
They're smart enough not to call attention to themselves, but it's their methods that stand out the most.
The globalist overlord wannabes clearly share notes and resources.
One popular tactic is using lawfare to hamstring their political opponents.
That was on prominent display during our 2024 election.
But since then, it's been employed in Germany, where in May this year, the government tried to declare the right-wing populist party alternative for Germany as an extremist group.
The move was widely seen as a preliminary step to outlawing the party altogether.
In France, conservative activist and politician Maureen Le Pen was legally banned from politics in March this year after she was convicted of embezzling EU funds.
Le Pen is appealing the decision.
In Brazil in September, Bolsonaro was convicted of the crime of attacking democracy related to the January 8th, 2023 Brasilia protest of his election loss.
He was sentenced to over 27 years behind bars.
He is also appealing the decision.
Bolsonaro's case is a virtual copy and paste of what Trump had to deal with throughout his four years of political exile.
It's so brazenly similar to the January 6th narrative that if it were a fictional story, we would accuse the writers of being too lazy and uncreative by just casting a tropical Trump as the protagonist.
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Few people talk about the fact that these raids wouldn't be necessary in the first place if Democrats had enforced border security.
If the last administration had not actively ushered in as many military-aged foreign men from around the world as possible, many of whom were criminals, the Trump administration would not need to deal with the havoc the Democrats' dereliction of duty has caused.
And of course, every single one who's coming across illegally is a criminal.
But some who are coming across, they have goals to drug traffic, sex traffic, and so on.
But do you think that these globalists care?
No, they don't care because they don't believe in borders.
They want to have open borders.
A third tactic seen around the world supports illegal immigration.
This is the financial backing of local judiciary, law enforcement, and politicians who will forego prosecuting criminals and illegal immigrants.
At the same time, these members of different branches of local governments punish citizens who step a single toe out of line.
The globalist trifecta of lawfare, illegal immigration, and a two-tiered system of justice marks their creeping influence in a number of countries across the world.
Not surprisingly, we're not the only country ravaged by this globalist mandate to support illegal immigration.
The UK, France, Sweden, Italy, Germany, Canada, and even Japan are all experiencing the same curiously similar phenomenon.
Across the planet, it seems that one day everyone woke up to realize very suddenly they were strangers in their own lands.
But this is not a coincidence.
This doesn't just happen overnight.
This actually happens over time with strategic goals in place through illegal and legal immigration to completely remake a country, to completely remake a homeland, to make it so that it's not just the people who are different, it's the entire culture.
It's the fabric of the society.
It's the mores.
It's the expectations you have.
It's the societal fabric, the structures in place, the things that tie you together, common experiences, common values.
The globalists want to destroy all of this in America.
The globalists don't care about things like language and culture.
And to the extent that they do, they are anti-American culture.
The very concept of art or valuing various contributions to the humanities, let's say the art of the great masters.
They don't like great minds, actually, you know, great philosophy, let's say even the Bible.
They find all of that to be destructive to them because these are the things that are the bedrock of Western civilization that they want to destroy.
They're operating under the presumption that all human beings are just fungible carbon-based life forms and importing an entire army of Somali gangs into Swedish neighborhoods, for example.
That has no real impact on that community, or if it does, we don't really care.
In reality, last year marked a major new record in hand grenade violence committed by Somali trafficking and drug gangs in Sweden.
According to Remix News, quote, Sweden is witnessing an alarming rise in the use of hand grenades by criminal gangs, with the number of explosions more than doubling in 2024 compared to last year.
By mid-October, there had been 22 recorded grenade attacks, up from nine in 2023, according to figures from the Police National Bomb Data Center.
But aren't the Swedes leading the way in tracking their citizenship?
Perhaps the gang members appreciate how easy it was to purchase grenades with a wave of a microchip.
I don't have to ask you if gang war via grenade was a common thing in Sweden's past.
You know, it wasn't.
Nor do I have to ask if graffiti tags or streets closed off for Muslim calls to prayer are normal for Japan.
We know this is not normal.
It's never been normal until this year when it became a commonplace occurrence.
And now people are getting increasingly angry.
These people, they've sort of, you know, been okay with kind of other cultures coming in.
They've been okay with that.
And to an extent, a society can continue on and function with some of that.
But once it gets to an overwhelming point where it's hostile to the people who live there, where it's just overwhelming, where it's so many immigrants, whether that's legal or illegal, completely changing the society, people start to realize, whoa, this is actually harming me and my family, especially when many are actual criminals who are wreaking havoc on people.
We've seen an increase in gang rape and violence in many countries in Europe.
We've seen that in Japan, they removed their prime minister and replaced him with a Shinzo Abe acolyte and staunch anti-immigration firebrand, Taka Ichi, once confirmed she will become the first female prime minister in Japan's history.
It's the kind of backlash we've been seeing all over the world.
In the UK, the Reform Party is riding high after labor's dithering on what to do about the wave after wave of boats loaded with illegal military-age men, all of whom blithely come ashore to live off of the British taxpayers' expense.
Sweden's government is finally enacting restrictions on immigration as well.
No matter the country, the press universally pushes the narrative that these populist movements are indicative of the right of the of the rise of the extreme right, they say.
They'll never drop that phrasing.
They act like it's a real, real insult.
Even as large swaths of voting populations are actually moving to the right, they are embracing the policies of the right, making them undeniably mainstream and not some political outlier.
In general, what these parties want for their own countries are what they've been seeing in ours.
Border enforcement.
Crazy idea.
The abolition of two-tiered justice.
We actually want criminals held to account.
We don't want law-abiding citizens targeted by the government, spied on.
And then these criminals are running loose, killing, raping people.
An end to censorship and lawfare.
The reestablishment of democratic representation and norms.
We only want citizens voting.
The flourishing of the people and culture of those countries to be able to be a good and decent society.
Is that too much to ask?
It makes sense that we would find ourselves here.
The globalist cabal is, well, global.
Therefore, the same can be said about the fight against it.
Our fight against globalism is global.
There are people all around the world who are waking up to the evils of what the left is doing.
Yet it is also a bit ironic.
After all, the globalists are striving for a world where all cultures, languages, and peoples are yoked to the elite's personal values and goals and used by them as their little pawns.
International collaboration is essential to achieve that aim.
They know this because they're just such a small group.
For your average globalist, causing mischief in multiple continents, the kind of thing that happens three times before breakfast.
The anti-globalist right, on the other hand, operates by philosophy.
Just as America first is about putting our own country's needs before the needs of other countries, the same can be said about Japan first, Britain first, or Sweden first.
Yet, as we've seen from Trump's interactions in the Middle East and with Israel in particular, being America first isn't purely isolationist.
We benefit from other countries who make common cause with us and ideally other countries moving to the right as well.
And right now, kicking the globalists out is undeniably a cause that we can all get behind.
We want to kick them out of power, by the way.
So what does this look like in practice?
For one, it involves a great deal of sharing notes, just like the globalists do.
In every country where there's a strong populist right-wing movement, there is a competent politician leading the way.
We have Donald Trump here.
El Salvador has Naeib Bukele.
Argentina has Javier Malay.
The UK has Nigel Farage.
These are all men of courage, willing to put their very lives on the line to save their respective nations from the betrayal of their corrupt leaders in government.
This is something everyone should support because the less corruption is tolerated, the less likely it is to be practiced as brazenly as we have seen in recent decades.
It actually can happen very quickly.
A country with high trust, a country that is very cohesive, a country where people feel quite safe in, let's take the UK, can actually deteriorate fairly quickly once you eliminate that trust.
Once you import so many immigrants, many of whom are committing crimes, many of whom do not practice the cultural norms of the society, many of whom are not assimilating, many of whom are trying to actually take over.
The country goes downhill pretty quickly.
And people are waking up to that because those countries no longer feel like home.
They no longer feel like places that are distinctly British, for example.
And we even see in places like that that it's not just, oh, you know, we don't like this or we don't like that.
It's the overwhelm.
It's the amount of it that takes over because people are very quick to say, oh my gosh, don't be, you know, anti-this, don't be Islamophobe, don't be that.
Look, no one wants to target anyone, but we are simply saying that the culture is being changed.
The culture is very different.
You know, if you're, let's say, a Western, a Christian person, and you travel to, I don't know, Saudi Arabia, you're going to expect that they're going to have different cultural practices.
They're going to have different norms, different religion, and so on.
And so that's not such a crazy thought to think if you're someone who's living in a country in Europe.
Here in America, we are not so far gone as Europe at this point, but we need to look at the mistakes that they've made and see how bad what they've done has been and realize we don't want America to go that direction.
We don't want America to fall to Sharia law.
We don't want America to lose our culture, our customs, our practices, our social trust.
That doesn't mean we don't have people here who are of other cultures or who practice different religions and hopefully everybody can, you know, be peaceful and so on, but we don't want that to take over.
And we don't want to be blind to the fact that this is literally what is happening in every other Western nation.
We only need to look at the Biden crime family and their connection to corrupt politicians in the Ukraine, China, and elsewhere to see we're all better off dealing with transparent leaders on the international stage.
Not many people recall that CPAC went international as far back as 2017, and it really demonstrates the organization's foresight that the first international CPAC event was in Tokyo, Japan, of all places.
Why Japan?
According to founder Matt Schlapp, it was an attempt to mitigate the influence of China.
The time is right, he said in 2017, to explore how conservative principles and policies can counterbalance the aggression of China and North Korea.
Speaking of China, it's very interesting how they're not being flooded with violent illegals and deadly drugs, isn't it?
It's also interesting how China isn't struggling with racial tensions or dealing with militant queer and trans activists either.
On the other hand, yet another billionaire Dr. Evil type by the name of Neville Roy Singham is meddling in U.S. politics, investing millions in riot and protest operations by funding the Party for Socialism and Liberation, an anti-capitalist organization that also diverts funds to BLM and CodePink, as well as anti-ICE protests across the country.
The really big problem with this is that Singam isn't an ordinary American citizen.
He's actually closely aligned with the Chinese Communist Party and is living in China right now.
His investments demonstrate the role that Chinese ideological animus plays in these movements that foment chaos and violence in our country.
All of this is great news.
Why?
Well, because when Antifa was originally declared a domestic terror organization, it didn't really mean a whole lot legally.
That's because there are no laws in our books that even define what a domestic terror organization is.
All our laws dealing with terror groups depend on them being foreign terror organizations.
So when the connection was drawn between Sings as well as other foreign investments in Antifa, that enabled the government to hit Antifa hard.
It's not the kind of thing we would be able to do if our woes were merely the product of domestic issues.
So thank you, globalists.
What we can do for our fellow freedom fighters across the globe is to keep doing what we've been doing here at home and not back down.
With the exception of monetary donations and of course voting, we can get online and offer moral support and heightened visibility by getting involved with these conservative social media accounts around the world and make sure that we make our voices heard.
We want to make sure that people understand that we're not going to just accept mass migration and the death of American culture.
After the assassination of Charlie Kirk, there was a massive protest in London, people supporting his ideas.
The historic number of protesters there were to express their opposition to the government's handling of immigration.
But there were many harmages to Charlie Kirk as well.
Despite being an ocean away, Brits could relate to his struggle and were inspired by his example.
Because we're all involved in the same fight, there's plenty of inspiration to go around.
And the wonderful thing about platforms like X these days is that they automatically translate posts into your native language.
So it's kind of like a scene straight out of science fiction.
People are able to communicate directly thanks to this built-in AI translator that removes a huge obstacle in supporting international conservative movements.
In the 2024 election, many people around the world were rooting for Donald Trump to win.
And we saw even just people cheering in Africa who were so excited that Donald Trump won.
We saw this in South America.
We saw this all over the world.
And it wasn't just Americans who were excited because people in other countries realized if Trump wins, that's going to affect them too.
That's going to affect other world leaders who are elected because America, we're kind of leading the way.
We're a beacon of hope for the rest of the world.
And the rest of the world is influenced by us.
They do look to us.
And we influence world culture.
American culture really does get exported.
And this can just literally come from politics.
And that's why it's so important for us to be involved.
People were very excited about Trump's win, not just for what he could do for Americans, but also because they knew his example would set into motion a new wave of right-wing populists, parties, and platforms across the planet.
Now, the fight against globalism is heating up.
And appropriately, it's on a global scale.
It's important to remember that this planetary evil must not be allowed to go to ground anywhere.
We've been handed an amazing opportunity to stop this self-involved, maniacal group of liars, and we need to embrace that.
But it's going to take knowledge, tenacity, and a whole lot of collaboration between those of us on the right.
And like I said, we're called to fight this fight against evil in our own hearts and around the globe.
So let's get to it.
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I'm delighted to welcome our surprise guest, your favorite host, Dinesh.
Dinesh, thanks for joining us, even though we are in different locations.
And so thank you for being here.
We talked today about globalism in pretty much great detail.
But maybe you can tell us a little bit about what you've been up to.
You did a big event yesterday with Prager U. What are you working on with them?
Well, the event with Prager U was focused on socialism.
And the question they were raising is whether socialism is the most serious challenge being faced by our society today.
Alan Estron, who's the operating ahead of Prager, was making the point that the trans issue looks to have sort of peaked.
Not that it's gone away, but it's not so much front and center.
The woke agenda is still a problem.
It's institutionalized in a lot of campuses and other institutions.
But could it be that socialism is the biggest danger on the horizon?
And of course, the focus was on Mamdani.
And the reason this Mamdani thing is so troublesome is because New York is traditionally been the center of global capitalism.
New York represents Wall Street, it represents finance, it's represented major other fields like publishing.
And so to have New York of all places turned over to a guy who is to the left of Ilhan Omar, he's to the left of AOC.
He explicitly identifies with the agenda of the Democratic Socialists.
The question was: how big a problem is this?
Is this something limited to New York, or are we facing this problem as a country?
My take on it is that we are facing a real problem with the appeal of socialism to young people.
And so we explored in this event why young people might be attracted to socialism, why it seems like, despite the record of history, young people are like, all right, but let's give it a try, or maybe we can do a better type of socialism than has ever been tried before.
And so that was our topic for the evening and a very interesting basis for discussion.
Wow.
What do you think Mom Dani can get done in New York?
Because I don't know if everybody realizes how dark what he wants to do is, but how much power does he have?
Can he seize the, you know, housing?
Can they buy it up and make it communal and all this stuff that he talks about?
No.
Mom Dani does not have dictatorial power.
He cannot automatically just infringe on people's property rights.
They're going to have to, you know, there is a democratic system in place.
Now, he is powerful, just like Trump is powerful, right?
Trump is the head of the executive branch of the government in the country.
And that gives you a lot of discretionary power.
But probably what Mom Dani can do is, for example, in the area of food, he cannot take over all the private grocery stores in New York.
That's not happening.
But what he is going to do probably is set up like four or five large government-run grocery stores, like one in each bureau.
And his idea being that we're going to show you that, you know, government food, government-provided food is cheaper, it's better, people are going to like shopping here.
Poor people maybe will get vouchers to shop for free.
So he's going to try to create an exhibit of how socialism works in a miniature way.
And then if he can show that it works, he's going to try to expand it.
Interesting.
And what do you think about the fact that there are so many people calling him out?
So many people have put him in the spotlight on the right because we see just how radical he is.
But then on the left, they're so excited about him.
So Richel Mara, when she interviewed Kamal Harris some weeks ago, she brought up Zoan Mandani and she's saying, you know, do you endorse his candidacy?
Like, you need to endorse him.
And they're all so excited about him.
So what do you think that means for the left and the right?
I mean, we're clearly saying no socialism.
I guess the left is going further to the left.
AOC maybe wants to run for president.
So do you think there's just going to be an even bigger divide amongst the two sides and Lord's not fight over the independence?
Or what do you think?
The left, interestingly, has been moving very much in a socialist direction, but without explicitly identifying themselves as such.
So far, politicians, certainly mainstream politicians, have never dared to say, I'm a socialist.
Chuck Schumer was asked, are you a socialist?
He says no.
Nancy Pelosi, no.
Hakeem Jeffries, no.
So the mainstream of the Democratic Party has been very reluctant to explicitly commit to socialism, even though their policies are clearly pointing in that direction.
So Mamdani is almost considered to be audacious in that he embraces the label and he goes, yeah, I'm a socialist.
So what?
And now, not only that, but Mamdani represents, I think, that weird combination of leftist socialism, leftist cultural values.
You know, he wants to decriminalize marijuana.
He wants to legalize prostitution.
So he's got that kind of permissive left-wing cultural agenda.
And he also has the, let's call it the Islamist or the Islamic dimension.
So we have seen this peculiar red-green alliance, red, of course, referring to socialism or communism, green referring to Islam.
Mamdani combines both those strains.
So in a way, he represents the most hyper-modern version of socialism in America.
Let's remember, our socialism does not really resemble, at least not very closely, the socialism of, say, Marx in the middle of the 19th century.
Marxist socialism was the rich against the poor.
That's pretty much it.
Our socialism includes identity politics, the blacks, the Hispanics, the feminists, the trans.
So Mamdani is on board with all of that.
And then he's also on board with bringing in this sort of Islamic element, which think about it.
We're just 25 years away from 9-11.
And here in New York, we have the prospect ultimately.
Debbie has a funny line about Mamdani.
She says, he's a walking Islamic victory arch.
So just as in Jerusalem, for example, on the site of the holiest temple, the Solomonic Temple, the Muslims built a huge victory arch called the Dome of the Rock.
The point here is that Mamdani is a kind of human victory arch over looming over New York.
And that I think there's an important symbolism there.
Yeah, yeah.
And it is frightening because he's probably going to win at this point.
I guess people, you know, maybe say Cuomo or something, but probably not.
When you look at kind of the west of the country, do you think that there's rising awareness to how bad this is?
Or do you think it's kind of like people don't really know?
I mean, I think more people are starting to be aware of the fact that, you know, radical Islam is a threat.
The bad news is that a lot of young people might think Mamdani is really cool because he doesn't look like an old style of socialist.
He doesn't look like Trotsky or Mao with the freaky mustache and beard, the kind of ancient type of stereotype.
He's a very suave guy.
He used to dabble in rap being a rapper.
And he's got this sort of, he certainly knows his way around social media 10 times better than either Curtis Liwa or Cuomo.
And however, he is also at the same time, and this is the silver lining of Mamdani, he is a millstone around the neck of the Democratic Party because in a way he forces the party to take a stance on him.
If they say no, then they are repudiating their own activist base, which is very pro-Momdani, very pro-socialist.
If they say yes, they cut themselves off from the mainstream of the country.
It's difficult to see, for example, Democrats winning even in purple and blue states on a Momdani agenda.
So I think this is why the leadership of the Democratic Party is quite worried about Mamdani.
Yeah.
And it's interesting because this, I don't know, this new kind of Democrat, the socialist, I guess he's kind of like an AOC type.
I think they're friends.
She's New York also.
I think more like the Bronx.
But they think that that's the winning message.
They think that that will win with most of America or something, not just kind of the radical people.
They think that is the way to win.
And sometimes you see articles that are like this from liberals.
They'll be like, oh, if we just leaned into this even more, when we reach normal people, because actually these old school Democrats, they're, you know, super boring and they're not really hard on the trends like we are.
So maybe if we lean into that, it'll help us.
What do you think would happen if, let's say, someone like AOC runs for president?
Oh, she would have absolutely no chance against any Republican, whether a rhino or a right-wing Republican.
Her prospects, I would say, would be close to zero.
But let's remember that there is a similar debate on the Republican side.
And the Republican side, you have the Rhino or the centrist wing of the Republican Party, and they say things like, don't move too far to the right because you're going to alienate the people in the middle.
Now, if America is a centrist country, then they're probably right.
But if America is a center-right country, then the middle is actually somewhat to the right.
And a conservative candidate can and will win.
Now, on the Democratic side, the centrist Democrats or the somewhat centrist Democrats will say, we need to move more to the center.
But that voice has been drowned out in recent, not only years, but decades, ever since Obama, by the Democratic money and by the Democratic activists who basically say, no, our problem, the Democratic Party, is not that we are too left-wing.
It is that we have a rather decrepit old guard represented by people like Pelosi and Schumer.
We need to bring in young hip people.
It doesn't matter if they're very left-wing.
That's not the problem at all.
What Momdani is showing is you can be very left-wing, but if you have a good shtick and a good sales pitch and you're suave, your policies, in fact, can win.
Now, winning in New York City is one thing.
First of all, can you show you can even win in New York State and let alone winning in the country at large?
Right.
Yeah.
And I'm kind of torn on it because in some ways I feel like, yeah, maybe it's good if they go down the AOC-Momdani road because I think that actually Pelosi and Schumer are kind of smart.
And they're, you know, they've been in politics a long time.
They know how to play to the center more.
And these radical people, hopefully they'll just isolate a ton of people.
But then on the other side, I'm like, well, it's bad, though, if all these young people actually agree with anything that they say because they're just so radically crazy.
Well, Dinesh, thanks so much for joining us and sharing your thoughts.
Sounds good.
I'll be back in the saddle on Monday.
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