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REVIVAL IN THE WEST Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1196
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Is the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians the revival of an ancient conflict recorded in the Bible?
The nation of Israel is a resurrected nation.
What if there was going to be a resurrection of another people, an enemy people of Israel?
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Hi, everyone.
I'm Danielle D'Souza Gill.
I am Dinesh's daughter, and I'm the author of two books, Why God, an Intelligent Discussion on the Relevance of Faith, where I argue for apologetics and Christianity, and The Choice, The Abortion Divided America, where I debunk the left's most powerful pro-choice arguments.
I am also a mom to Mayor Golden Winston, and my husband, Brandon Gill, is in Congress.
We are in North Texas, and I'm just so delighted to be here.
So, today, we are actually going to talk all about Christian revival, what we're seeing in this country.
Some amazing things are happening with a return to religion, and we are seeing some very just great stats out there.
So, we're going to unpack some of those.
And we're also going to speak with Congressman Randy Fine.
He is from Florida's 6th Congressional District.
We're going to talk to him about his no Sharia Act.
We're also going to talk to him about some other bills he's working on.
Brandon has co-sponsored a lot of these.
They work together a lot.
So, we're going to talk a lot about this and some of the dangers of Sharia law.
But first, we're going to talk all about the revival element before we get to the next thing.
So, we have a lot to get to today.
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Today, we're going to talk about the growing influence of Christianity and the transformative role it plays in the lives of individuals, in societies, and in the world.
There have been a lot of positive reports on the religious front since the tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Many are calling this the Charlie Kirk effect, religious leaders across the country are reporting noticeable increases in attendance at church services, at Mass, in college faith communities, in many events, with some estimating an increase of about 15%.
Attendance at the traditional Latin Mass and Orthodox services is also on the rise, especially among young people.
These numbers have continued to increase in the wake of Charlie Kirk's tragic death.
Yet it was Kirk himself who pointed out that just weeks prior to his death, that, quote, there is revival in the Christian church.
Churches are growing.
Young people are flocking to faith in God.
Kirk was noticing what many in recent months have pointed out, what atheists thought they killed with their poisonous words and edgy social media retorts, has once again risen from its grave.
From the very first Easter, you'll notice this is a pattern with Christianity.
People try to kill it, and the faith only comes back stronger.
In 64 AD, Nero scapegoated Christians, blaming them for the burning of Rome, but the courage and conviction of the Christians generated sympathy.
The movement was bolstered rather than obliterated by the cruel mistreatment that was expelled, expected to be its death knell.
Throughout all the Roman persecutions, the example of the Christian martyrs attracted new believers as stories of their deaths inspired other Christians to deepen their faith as well.
The final and most severe imperial persecution of Christians, known as the Great Persecution, ended in 311 AD with an edict of toleration issued by Emperor Galerius.
Just one year later, in 312 AD, Constantine's victory at the Battle of the Milvian Bridge increased his growing goodwill towards Christianity.
As a result, he and his co-emperor issued the Edict of Milan in 313 AD, which established religious freedom for Christians.
Constantine's actions led to the conversion of the whole empire.
The empire, however, was doomed to fall.
A little over a century later in 430 AD, as the Roman Empire was crumbling in Africa, Vandals laid siege to Hippo as the great Saint Augustine lay dying of fever, the walls of his room covered in psalms so that he could pray as he lay dying.
A dire, seemingly catastrophic end for Christianity seemed nigh.
The Western Roman Empire itself fell just 46 years later in 476 AD.
Christianity emerged from the chaos brought by the fall of the Roman Empire as a lone star for humanity.
European civilization was kick-started by Irish monks who played a key role in the Carolingian Renaissance.
Under Charlemagne, Christianity rose again, and then under the sword of Islam, nearly all of Spain was lost.
However, once again, Christianity did not disappear as the Crusades returned Europe to its Christian roots.
Over and over again, Christianity has faced existential challenges, been brought to the brink of extinction, only to finally respond in the one way most necessary.
When challenged by the state, it converted the state.
When thrown into darkness and ignorance, it responded with valuable codices.long lost.
When crushed by violence, it responded with its own cruciform sword.
As G.K. Chesterton said, Christendom has had a series of revolutions, and in each one of them, Christianity has died.
Christianity has died many times and risen again, for it had a God who knew the way out of the grave.
So the last thing that should surprise us now is the news that Christianity is experiencing a resurgence.
There's more than just recent church attendance data to support this.
In fact, over the past few years, there have been a number of data points showing that Christianity is making a comeback even before Charlie Kirk's death.
According to Fox News and the postmillennial, data indicates that Christianity in the United States is seeing notable growth across several sectors, including Bible sales, faith-based app usage, and Christian music streaming.
According to Sirpana BookScan, annual U.S. Bible sales have increased 41.6% since 2022.
Downloads of religion and spirituality apps are up 79.5% since 2019, according to Censor Tower, suggesting renewed interest in using these digital faith tools.
In the same period, Luminates Music Insights reported that Spotify's streams of contemporary Christian music rose 50%, making a steady increase in public engagement with Christian content.
This data going back to 2022 and 2019 demonstrates that recent resurgences in church attendance are part of a much broader trend that's been working its way through American culture for quite some time now.
This trend is not a momentary response to Charlie Kirk's assassination, and that doesn't mean that event hasn't had an enormous impact to compound on that.
The Charlie Kirk effect has only accelerated this and broadened the revival which was already underway.
Overall, there's been a broad shift in American culture that everyone can feel in one way or another.
People are returning to traditionalism and have a deepened interest in truth and in God.
Seemingly, trivial cultural markers are popping up everywhere, causing everyone to take note.
Even the New York Times is remarking on this change.
In September, the paper was sufficiently spooked to run an article stating that women everywhere are suddenly growing their hair longer.
One expert quoted in the article, Warren's, quote, the preponderance of longer styles also reflects somewhat different phenomena.
The most obvious is the swing toward not just conservatism, but also trad wife presentation in which long hair is a key element.
Wow, sometimes this is just funny to read because the liberals, they struggle to understand conservatism.
They struggle to understand beauty.
They struggle to understand femininity.
But what does this all have to do with Judeo-Christian values?
The Times article explains that Hair is never just hair.
It's a repository of all sorts of cultural preconceptions.
The change represents not just a beauty trend, but also a larger shift in ideas about gender, status, race, and age.
Long hair has its own deep history and is synonymous with a breadth of understood coats, religious, countercultural, and classically feminine.
The article concludes.
And actually, I agree with this.
I think that there is a message sent from having long hair, for example.
I know a lot of conservatives may be like, this is ridiculous, but actually, no, I think it's true.
And as someone who is younger, who is more trad and very conservative and religious, I would say it is good for women to have longer hair like this.
Because look, I mean, women who walk around looking like men with these, you know, lesbian style haircuts, I don't, I don't know what the purpose is of that other than to say, hey, I want to be like a man.
I want to be like men.
So, no, there's so much beauty in the feminine and the classical classical conception of beauty.
But this phenomenon is strongly connected to many, you know, more conservative influencers.
People call them trad influencers frequently kind of displaying this.
And I think that is leading to many more young people saying, wow, that actually is quite beautiful because we believe there is absolute beauty.
There is such thing as objective truth, objective beauty.
And it's not just, you know, oh, it just changes with the times.
No, I'm sorry.
But those kinds of hairstyles that are just, you know, man hairstyles on women have always looked horrible.
But anyways, so we see people, influencers, so on, they are frequently citing scripture in social media.
They're frequently changing their lifestyle.
They're trying to live a more wholesome and godly life.
And so this is something we should definitely praise and hopefully we see even more of.
We are seeing the increase in also the celebration of marriage, the celebration of motherhood and the beauty in having a traditional relationship, a traditional home, the Christian lifestyle that a lot of people are adopting.
It's not just a fad.
It's not just a trend.
It's not just something fleeting.
It is something for 2,000 years has always been kind of the bedrock in the family unit.
And putting such a strong emphasis on male and female roles within marriage, within motherhood, fatherhood in order to raise children is so essential and important and is something that was actually, I think, quite lost even during, you know, conservatism of the last 50 years because there was so much focus on only, you know, free markets, lowering taxes, freedom.
And we completely lost sight of these social important elements of our society, which are the foundation, which allow us to maybe have some of those other discussions.
And so this is not a fad, I don't think.
I don't think this is a trend that is going to be passing anytime soon.
I think that people my age and younger, Gen Z, are going to be leaning into this even more.
And I would encourage them to not back off at all, to keep leaning into it, because it's just going to remake this country and make it so much better than it has been during our lifetimes.
Fortunately, we've seen that many young men are becoming more conservative.
And I think as a result, we're going to see young women doing the same thing.
We're going to see the families going in that direction as well.
We're going to see them flourishing even more.
The fact that this is even being presented as an, you know, something that the New York Times has to write about and so on, I think shows just the big cultural impact that we are having and how we are changing the country.
We can see that women are happier when they live this way, when they live in a way that is glorifying to God and to their family.
We see just absolute rises in happiness.
And women who just devote their lives to slavish companies and so on, they're not happy.
They're not happy at the end of the day.
And again, this isn't to say that, you know, some women work and some women don't work or any of that, but I think it's that we're seeing a return to God.
We're seeing a return to focus and love for family, which is extremely important.
We've seen far too many children just utterly neglected, which has led the state to step in.
It's led public schools.
It's led teachers to step in and basically indoctrinate these kids.
So we need to make sure that these conservative Christian values are coming from the home first and foremost.
You cannot give up that to anybody else.
You can't give it up to school.
You can't give it up to government to step in for you because the result is going to be just complete mayhem.
And we've seen that the left encourage this.
They encourage women to sacrifice their family for these empty kind of accomplishments and so on.
When at the end of the day, what do we really look at?
Well, we see that there are these corporations and so on, and there's nothing wrong with working in corporations.
You know, a lot of men work there and they're quite fine.
They're happy.
But for women, I think when we neglect our family and when we're not with our husbands or kids and so on, it does affect us differently.
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People shudder as they look around at the post-Christian world, a world of darkness, a world of loneliness, a world of chronically unhappy, pierced, septum people.
It's a world where brutalist architecture of the Obama presidential library universally offends the census almost on an visceral level.
It's a world where institutions work overtime to indoctrinate their wards and ideologies that deaden the soul rather than sparking wonder in the beauty that is God's creation.
This is a world where activists try to stop law enforcement from enforcing the law rather than being thankful for the safety that law enforcement provides us.
People are looking at these multiple travesties, and we're facing these in our society right now.
And they're coming to the realization that none of this works.
We actually don't want modernity.
We don't want brutalist art.
We don't want to outsource our kids for 90% of their day to school and after-school programs and daycare and so on, just so we never see our kids.
We're not going to outsource our marriage and just end up in therapy where people confirm every single whim that you have and say, wow, you're the greatest.
We're not going to go down this road being these crazy liberals and, you know, being women who reject any feminine beauty.
None of this is good for our souls and none of this is going to lead to a flourishing life.
So when we see this increase in trad culture, whatever you want to call it, we see an increase in returning to God and conservatism.
We just have to celebrate and hope that people lean into it even more.
Here in the 21st century, we've come to a kind of cul-de-sac of hopelessness, of frustration.
For well over 100 years now, the West has been experimenting with something other than Christianity to serve as the focus of life.
We've tried everything from benign materialism.
We've tried communism, socialism.
We've tried atheism, atheism.
We've tried, you know, removing God.
We've tried transhumanism.
There's militant Islam all over the world.
But thanks to the breakneck pace of this revival, we've been able to keep ourselves from fully diving into that.
And fortunately, we are seeing this revival take place.
We surround ourselves in endless streams of data.
We live in a 24-7 news cycle, all while binging on content of every kind imaginable.
We live lives of constant noise and stimulation.
And this drowns out the sounds of screaming that inevitably come in moments of quiet.
Moments of quiet actually really allow you to think.
They allow for examination of conscience and for you to kind of take a step back and just take in your day, take in the world around you.
But because we fill all these moments with scrolling on our phones and so on, it's very easy for us to then be indoctrinated and fall into a hole.
So this is kind of glaringly obvious, it seems, but at once alien and yet so familiar.
If you have the courage to embrace silence, if you have the courage to take a step back, you eventually come to recognize it's the sound of your own soul.
It's God that allows for prayer.
I don't know about you, but I feel like in a lot of those silent moments and times that you have where you aren't on your phone, you're not distracted, that really is when you are allowed to pray.
And so if people, for example, every night just go on their phones right before they go to bed, where is prayer going to be happening?
So we all have the choice to come to grips with the God before us, to come to grips with all of this.
And I think as we see the country healing, we see all of us moving towards something greater, something better towards God than this life that is just emptiness.
We're going to see such a huge change in our culture.
We're going to see so many good things happening.
And honestly, unfortunately, in the past, we have seen that the West was really hollowed out spiritually.
We saw a real increase in atheism.
We saw that so many were just spiritually lost and misguided.
And we in the West are kind of voluntary fugitives from Christendom.
At the very end of that maddening escape attempt at the intersection of self-obsession, technological distraction is the slow, suffocating path to destruction.
And I think in many ways, when you remove Christianity, when you remove God and this sense of wonder in the way that God created things with natural law, you end up with transgenderism.
You end up with just complete rejection of God's law.
That absurdist ideology that promises every kind of happiness and fulfillment, whatever you happen to think in your mind, whatever you want, can just be, you know, found for you at the edge of the scalpel or by taking these medications and becoming trans and so on.
A lifetime of hormone treatments.
Wow, isn't that beautiful?
No.
As recently as about two years ago, it was actually a societal force to be reckoned with.
We still have a lot more to do in that debate.
We still have more people we need to convince, change their minds on this, but we've made wild progress in debunking transgenderism.
And we've actually seen that less and less Gen Zers are even transgender now.
All of a sudden, before it was like, whoa, a third of trans, or I'm sorry, a third of Gen Z is LGBTQ.
And now we've seen that number has just gone down, down, down.
And when you speak about transgenderism, that even more so.
The fates of politicians and the world's most powerful corporations and banks alike all depended on carrying water for this hybrid social movement of DEI, of transgenderism, of liberalism, big pharma.
And today we finally see its true form.
It actually is a fad.
It is passing.
You know, like bell bottom jeans or 80s hair or the latest TikTok challenge.
Only instead of being a momentary embarrassment like those other fads, transgenderism involves the inflicting of permanent damage on your body.
And I would argue on your mind.
It has longer term effects than even just the body.
It also involves a good deal more commitment.
It's like instead of wearing a parachute pair of pants in the 80s, you had the pockets surgically attached to your legs.
Handy, sure, but who doesn't like some extra pockets, but also gross.
This is now attached to your leg.
Everyone is talking about the University of Buckingham study that shows there's been a massive drop-off among university students who identify as transgender.
The number has heaved between 2022 and 2025, thank goodness.
This coincides with multiple other surveys, which showed a drop-off between students who identified as non-binary, along with an increase in students who identify as heterosexual.
When viewed among students of differing political and religious backgrounds, the same downward trend is evident, which led the study's authors to conclude that faith or conservatism were not the factors in the downward trend.
Quote, this does not appear to be the result of a shift to the right, the return of religion, or a rejection of woke culture war attitudes.
Despite high correlations between sexual, gender identity, and political attitudes within individuals, the overtime trend in gender and sexuality seems relatively independent of political, cultural, and religious beliefs.
Improving mental health, however, appears to be part of the explanation for the decline of VTQ identification, where BTQ stands for non-binary transgender and so on.
The University of Buckingham study goes into some detail, documenting that systems of mental illness, symptoms of this, such as depression or anxiety, when those go down, you are less likely to be transgender.
So this decrease in mental illness is the closest thing to a probable catalyst for the fall in trans-identifying college students, we believe.
And this conclusion is flawed for two reasons.
One is that there is a strong and well-documented connection between faith and mental health.
So it could very well be that an increase in faith is manifesting itself socially through an uptake in positive mental health.
A host of studies on prayer alone demonstrates the positive effects of prayer.
According to one 2019 article in Psychology Today, in some, prayer could have a positive impact on recovery from mental illness and also on the well-being of people without mental illness.
Additionally, these studies indicate that regular prayer can be especially important for people who are lonely or socially isolated.
In general, the power of faith in fighting psychological ills has been so thoroughly documented that the discipline of psychology has given birth to a new field called SR, which documents the positive impact of spirituality and religiousness.
If the decrease in trans-identifying students is the result of a decrease in mental illness, mental health issues among the youth, it begs the question, what has caused the decrease in mental health issues?
Did the youth of America suddenly cure themselves of their own psychological problems?
We know this isn't the doing of some pharmaceutical miracle because drug companies push chemical dependency, not cures.
We know this is not the result of their teachers who, if they haven't bragged about the trans euphoria their students afford them, they've most likely outed themselves as psychopaths celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.
By and large, our educational institutions promote lifestyles, not truth.
So University of Buckingham, where did the mental cure come from?
If it didn't come from drugs or schools or themselves, then that only really leaves prayer.
Honestly, that is such a transformative thing.
What else is there?
There's also the home.
Maybe it comes from society at large.
That's possible.
But what have we been seeing across the board?
An increase in faith.
The research researchers at the University of Buckingham believe they've accounted for religion in their study, but they must be too young to remember what society was like when it was more religious.
This is the other possible weakness in their conclusion, that they have no concept of cultural capital.
This is the idea that the more a society embraces certain ideas, the more power these societies have to influence society as a whole, where the members consciously assent to those ideas or not.
For example, during the height of wokeism, people everywhere were afraid to voice common sense.
Wokeism actually seeped into the culture where without people even really realizing it, they were actually more woke.
There was a larger understanding of something as, you know, something as crazy as DEI, ESG.
There was the belief that men and women are, you know, interchangeable and all of this.
So since the death of woke, we have seen that actually our culture is different.
Our culture is not the same.
A lot of people see, wow, you know, men and women are different.
The transgenderism stuff is crazy.
Despite not believing in the myth that gender is a social construct, people's everyday lives were impacted by that dominant belief.
And in a society that is increasingly embracing Christianity, Christian ideas once again become dominant.
Those ideas influence everyone's thinking about morality in the society.
Just like one need not be Christian to enjoy Christmas, for example, we may see more people just simply picking up on the fruits of Christianity.
So too do Judeo-Christian norms, which inform people's beliefs on simple ethics, what it means to be a man or a woman.
Centuries of Judeo-Christian teachings have informed the basis of Western society and have created a moral fabric and culture that reflects those values in ways large and small, which we often take for granted.
Now, we all of a sudden realize during the days of Woke that, hey, we cannot take these for granted anymore.
We need to fight for them.
We need to spread these ideas.
Now, in our society today, which many people would say is post-Christian of the early 21st century, we realize that our values of open-mindedness, of tolerance, of justice, you know, those actually led to a lot of destruction of our own culture.
Over time, our Christian capital was depleted.
This societal shift was gradual with the Christian characteristics disappearing as the generations of, you know, classical kind of belief in morality was starting to die out, taking with them the customs and assumptions that defined Western greatness.
Generation after generation drew from the store of our Christian cultural capital without investing back into the fund.
We glutted ourselves in our selfishness and pleasure seeking, all while ignoring the consequences not just to our own health, but the health of society in general.
And that includes mental health, by the way.
Even staunch critics of Christianity, such as famed atheist Richard Dawkins, have noted the necessity of Christian beliefs for the perpetuation of a well-functioning society.
In March 2024, the author of The God Delusion professed that he doesn't believe in Christianity, but that he is at the same time culturally Christian, saying, quote, I call myself a cultural Christian, and I think it would be truly dreadful if we substituted any alternative religion.
In response to the question about the thousands of mosques being constructed across the UK, he said, if I had to choose between Christianity and Islam, I choose Christianity every single time.
It seems to me to be a fundamentally decent religion in a way that I think Islam is not.
Dawkins has figured it out.
Societies don't just pop up out of nowhere.
They're born.
And the DNA of any society lies not in what it denies, but in what it affirms, in what it finds sacred.
Going back to the University of Buckingham report, I think it's perfectly reasonable to attribute an across-the-board rise in mental health, along with a global decrease in trans identity, to a broader increase in the acceptance of Christian beliefs on a societal level.
In this alternative explanation, it is correct then.
Far from disproving the impact of a Christian revival on American attitudes about gender, it demonstrates the exact opposite, a seismic upheaval in our cultural norms, that this cultural vibe shift is the result of a genuine change in beliefs.
So why do I say this?
Well, precisely because people are being so quiet about it.
This is what it looks like when the masses suddenly embrace prayer and Jesus.
Those new Bibles being sold, these spiritual apps being downloaded, faith and worship music topping the charts, a return to Latin Mass.
This is the sound of millions of souls who are being converted on a deeply personal level.
It's the kind of thing that you'll never see coming unless you already know what to look for.
It's the kind of thing that once the researchers notice it, it will have already become a lasting and central part of our society and what it means to be an American.
We are witnessing it.
We are in the midst of the revival.
The same one that Charlie Kirk talked about before his death.
Only now, thanks to his sacrifice, what he's done for all of us, it has become so much more powerful than what was happening before.
And we've just seen an amplification of his message when he talks about this.
If we were pagans, we would wish that he could see it for himself.
The fact is, he can see what's happening from heaven.
And when you are in Christ's peace, the peace that surpasses all understanding thereby changes the world.
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I am delighted to welcome to the podcast Congressman Randy Fine.
He is the congressman from Florida's 6th congressional district.
He is a great, great guy, great friend.
I hope that you've seen some of his recent legislation, which we're going to talk to him about today.
But Congressman Fine, thanks so much for joining us.
Thanks for having me.
It's an honor to be here.
Oh, great.
Well, maybe we can start out just by talking a little bit about the New York mayor election because this crazy, crazy communist candidate, Mom Donnie, looks like he's going to win.
It looks like he's, you know, the front runner.
I don't think that Cuomo or Curtis Liwa are going to be dropping out.
So it looks like he's going to be up there.
And he has been, you know, very radical.
He's been saying radical things.
He's obviously someone who is not just Muslim, but he believes in Sharia law.
And I know that you have been really doing a lot leading this charge to with your No Sharia Act, which would ban Sharia law in America.
Can you tell us a little bit about just your reaction to seeing someone like this potentially become mayor of one of America's largest cities?
Well, it's extraordinary because it's honor to be here.
By the way, I'm a huge fan of your husband.
He's a good friend of mine.
I'm Congress.
We're both.
We're both freshmen, I think, willing to openly speak our minds.
And I think a lot of people aren't.
But what we're seeing in New York is very troubling that two decades after 9-11, someone who supports what the hijackers did on that day could actually be elected to be mayor.
He's not just a communist.
He's a jihadist.
And you can see it in the people that he associates with and in the language that he uses.
He doesn't believe Americans should have guns, but he believes that Hamas should not disarm.
He's not willing to, he's not willing to tell people don't engage in violence in New York, globalize the antifada.
He's not willing to condemn that.
So it is extraordinary in America's largest city, in one of the world's premier cities, that we could fall to a communist jihadist.
And it is very scary.
And it says that we have a big problem that we have to deal with in America.
We've been so focused on illegal immigration for the past 20 years, we have stopped looking at legal immigration.
And unfortunately, over the past two decades, we have allowed people into this country who hate it.
And we're about potentially to see the results of that in New York.
Oh, it is absolutely terrifying.
And what's crazy is seeing just what radical Islam has done to the rest of the world, to Europe.
You know, and we even here in Texas, we see that as a big threat here as well.
And a lot of people, unfortunately, seem to be just unwilling to speak out against this because, you know, maybe they just are afraid, honestly, someone could, you know, retaliate against you.
I mean, unfortunately, when people speak out against Christianity or Judaism, people don't have that fear because, you know, we're peaceful religions.
But with Islam, if you say anything that is negative to them, you would have to live in fear in many cases.
Do you feel like this Sharia law, is that compatible with our country in any way, with the West?
I mean, we obviously think absolutely not.
But can you explain to us, how do you argue this?
How do you explain this in terms of the bill you're introducing and how you view this within kind of our legal system?
Well, it isn't compatible.
And let me talk about it at a high level.
I think the reason that people don't speak out against it, partly it's fear, but partly it requires them to abandon a belief that most people take to heart, that all people are good, that there is not evil in this world and that we don't have to fight it every day.
And the fact of the matter is Sharia is a philosophy built on evil, on killing people who do not believe, on subjugating women, on controlling and conquering.
And it's very difficult.
People want to live in their bubble where everything is fine and we can sit around and sing kumbaya and that's how the world will work.
That's why you see gay people out marching for Gaza because they cannot internalize that if they went to Gaza, that they would be killed.
It is so difficult to internalize that.
And if I were to take exception, part of the problem, the problem is not radical Islam.
Radical Islam are the people who want to not kill us.
The radicals in the UAE who've signed the Abraham Accords or in Dubai, there are Muslims who are radical because they want peace.
They want to coexist.
The problem is mainstream Islam.
And when the NAACP of Muslims, a group called CARE, is actively advocating for Hamas, you have to say the problem is not the radicals.
The problem is the mainstream.
Now, what my bill will do is say they can't bring their radical, their mainstream policies to the United States.
They cannot institute Sharia in this country.
They can't tell people what to wear.
They can't tell people what to eat.
They can't blast their call to prayer of conquering at five o'clock in the morning.
They cannot institute their policies, which by the way, they are very clear that that is their goal.
One of the most extraordinary things about all of this is you can find video after video after video after video, not videos that have been like done with a secret camera that someone snuck in, but they broadcast them very proudly on Facebook saying we are here to conquer the United States and make it part of the Islamic Caliphate.
My bill would stop that, which your husband and 17 other congressmen have co-sponsored and Tommy Tiberville has introduced in the Senate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I mean, 17, that's not enough.
We need to have every single person on board.
But when I think about this, because you're right, we say radical Islam, but in reality, it's actually quite radical if you are someone who's going against the grain of Islam.
So I applaud those people if they're willing to go against the grain.
What can we do to change legal immigration?
Because I feel like it is so insane.
The Democrats have moved the Overton window to where if you even put a dent in illegal immigration, it's like, wow, you're so right wing.
You're so conservative when we have more illegals to deport.
We have mass deportations that we are still underway and getting done.
And then we still have legal immigration to then tackle, you know, who knows when.
What can we do to reform that to decrease the numbers, but then maybe make it so that legal immigrants who are coming here are holding ideologies that are more compatible with Western civilization that will flourish in this country as opposed to bring terror.
Well, I think this their goal, I think the goal of Barack Obama, Barack Hussein, Obama, and Joe Biden was to literally flood the country with so many people that they overwhelmed the system.
And that is what they did.
They got us focused on illegal immigration justifiably because they opened the borders.
But at the same time, they were flooding the system with legal immigrants.
Look what happened in Somalia, I call it Somalia.
Look what happened in Little Somalia, Minneapolis.
Look at what happened in Michigan, this importation of people who hate our country.
So what do we do about it?
Well, A, we have to continue doing what we're doing with illegal immigration and deport them all.
But what do we do with legal immigration?
Well, first, we have to shut off the flow.
What is clear is that system does not work.
We are letting people in.
We are giving people visas who hate America.
Look at Khalil in New York, who is here on a green card.
Look at this Hamas terrorist who literally went and killed people on October 7th and then moved to Louisiana because Joe Biden said, come on in.
So we've got to cut off the system until we figure it out.
And I think what we have to say is people who are going to immigrate here legally have to do the following.
They have to share our values.
They have to love America.
They want to integrate into our country.
And they have to want to add value to our society.
Too many of these people we've let in hate America.
They're here to conquer it.
They don't share our values.
They don't want to integrate.
They want to force our values on theirs.
And then they want to be leeches on society.
That's not okay.
And we need to fix that.
But then I think we need to go back and take a look at the last 20 years and look at all of those that have engaged in immigration fraud and begin to deport.
Look, people like Elon Omar, who may have married her brother to help him with his immigration status.
Mom Dami, who it's clear lied about his immigration status in order to become a citizen.
And then I think the last thing we need to do is we need to take a hard look at whether what the framers intended for our president, which is you have to be a natural born citizen, whether we should have that for all elected offices in this country as well.
Right.
Yeah.
And what's crazy to me too about this is just that not enough Republicans are on board because we could we could do so many things if we all agreed because we have the majorities and you know our three branches.
And so we could do so much, but we have to bring more people to our side.
And I think that you guys are being incredibly effective in changing people's minds as well, because that's essential.
Tell us a little bit about your jail act, which holds judges accountable when repeat offenders, they release on bail, they commit crimes.
This is something that you're trying to stop.
So tell us a little bit about that.
Well, after that young woman was killed in North Carolina by a judge who let someone out after who had caused unbelievable crimes over and over and over again, I had this realization, which is if you're a bartender working on a bar in Texas or Florida and you feed one of your customers too many drinks and they go home and they kill someone on the way because they're drunk driving, not only does the drunk driver get in trouble, but so does the bartender for providing them with too many drinks.
Yet somehow judges get special treatment.
They can release monsters into our community.
Well, by the way, they're protected with armed bailiffs and armed security, but they release monsters into our community.
They kill people and then the judges aren't held responsible.
What the jail act would do is say, hey, judge, you release a bad person, a known bad person into society and they cause problems.
You can be sued by the victim or if the victim has passed on the victim's family.
You can be sued personally for the decision that you have made.
So if you want to release a criminal into our society, you ought to think twice before you do that.
Yes, absolutely.
That would probably lead to so much decrease in them doing that because they would think twice.
Also want to ask you about your thump thump act, which allows drivers to run over rioters in the streets if they are threatened, sort of a stand your ground law.
Explain.
So at first time I heard this, I was like, what's thump thump?
And Brandon was like, you know, thump, thump.
I was like, oh, I get it now.
Okay, okay.
So explain to me how you, how did you come up with that?
So, so in Florida, when all the BLM protests happen, we saw people blocking roads.
And I was in the state legislature at the time and I said, blocking a road is a form of terrorism.
It keeps a pregnant woman from getting to the hospital.
It stops someone with a heart attack from getting to the emergency room.
In big parts of my district, there's barrier islands.
There may only be one bridge in and one bridge out.
And if you block that, people will die.
People can't get to work.
People can't get to school.
It is not a legitimate form of protest.
Stand on the street.
So back in 2020, we passed a bill in Florida that said, if you block the road, people can run you over.
And guess how many people have been run over since we passed that bill?
None.
You know why?
Because the protesters stayed out of the roads.
We told them what would happen and they listened.
Well, this would do the same thing in the country as I've seen these protests in New York and Chicago and Los Angeles where people block the roads.
We just say this.
You block the roads.
You're going to hear the sound thump thump.
And what will happen is the protesters will get the message and they will stop doing it.
That's the idea of the bill.
Mark.
It's absolutely insane because it seems like we do really try to accommodate these protesters so much in the sense that we do, yeah, allow them to, in a way, like you're saying, they're sort of committing violence against everybody else who has needs as well.
And so I'm glad to hear that you're pushing that.
Well, Congressman Fine, thank you so much for being with us today.
I really appreciate it.
And good luck with this legislation moving forward.
It's great to see you.
Look forward to seeing you in Washington.
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