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THE DANGERS OF ANTIFA Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1193
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Hi everyone, I'm Danielle D'Souza Gill, and I am so delighted to be here hosting Dinesh's podcast today.
Um you may be wondering um who I am, why I'm here.
I'm Dinesh's daughter, and I'm the author of two books, The Choice, The Abortion Divide in America, and Why God an Intelligent Discussion on the Relevance of Faith.
The first one is about pro-life arguments, debunking all of the pro-choice arguments.
And the other book is arguments for Christianity, um, drawing on apologetics, things like that.
Um, I am so delighted to have Dinesh visiting me this week, hanging out with his grandkids.
So he will be here this week too, hosting the show, but I will also be hosting sometimes as well.
Um we have a lot to talk about this week.
There's so much that happened this weekend.
We're gonna be talking about the No Kings protests.
We're gonna talk about the uh Mont Donnie race for mayor in New York.
Um, he is a radical communist, and we are also gonna talk about the recent kind of kerfuffle at Rutgers with the turning point USA chapter over there.
And we are also gonna talk about the New Jersey governor race, um, which is heating up, also connected to the Virginia governor race, if you've been following that.
Um both of these are races that could potentially go Republican, they could potentially lead to us actually winning these two states that oftentimes are won by Democrats.
They're kind of seen as swing states, but we win the country.
I mean, and a lot of our races, even when these go for the Dems.
So if these go to the Republican side, that's gonna be a really big wake-up call to the country that even despite us, you know, having all the power right now, having all of this, that we're actually getting able to gain even more, which is kind of unheard of because usually when Republicans are in power, the Democrats win some of these things.
When the Democrats are in power, the Republicans then win these things.
But if we keep winning, I mean, that's gonna really speak to just a complete change in the culture, change in um hearts and minds in these swing states.
So we're going to talk a lot about that in more detail.
And we're going to be joined by Jack DeSobiec.
He is a great friend.
You've probably followed him on social media.
He is very big on X and...
And he was um someone who knew Charlie Kirk.
So you may have also heard him um with at turning point events, heard him speaking there.
I think he was uh with them this weekend.
So we're gonna talk to him all about that.
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Jack, thanks for joining us.
Danielle, so great to see you in here today.
I don't know.
Your dad's gonna have to have to be careful taking these days off.
I think you might end up replacing him on the podcast.
I don't know.
I don't know about that.
You know, what happens is he's actually visiting us this week and wants to hang out with my kids.
So he's basically a professional grandpa.
So he's like he's playing grandpa.
He's putting you to work.
Oh my god.
Host the show today.
I'm like, okay, I'll take a I'll take a little break and you can you can hang out.
Um say that to Tanya every once in a while.
Can you just host the show today and I'll tell and I'll play with the kids?
You know, she never takes me up on it though.
Oh my goodness.
Well, I can't help myself because um, you know, I sometimes want to weigh in on politics.
But yes, the kids are 100%.
But um, but Jack, wanted to ask you about this weekend because you were very busy.
You were over in New Jersey, you were stumping, you were doing rallies, and tell us about the governor race.
Tell us about your experience on the ground.
I know the race is very close.
It's kind of like neck and neck right now, and we're down to the last few weeks.
So um, what did you kind of see when you were over there?
Well, I mean, the the it was tremendous.
It was just absolutely tremendous.
And like coming from Pennsylvania, you know, we know Pennsylvania has always been considered a swing state, a purple state, but New Jersey is typically seen as a blue state.
It's typically seen as a state that's just it's got it's got blue bones, it's got a strong Democrat base, and it's a state that's usually, you know, you get pockets of like Republican congressmen here, district here, district there that goes pretty red, but for the most part, it's considered, you know, a Democrat stronghold.
Well, what did we see in 2024?
We saw every single county of New Jersey, right?
And this is empirical fact.
You can look it up.
It's even, believe it or not, they'll probably change it, but it's right now on Wikipedia, even admits that every single county in the state of New Jersey in the 2024 election shifted from uh from its neutral basis to red.
So shifted red.
So we saw that trend uh carry out across all of New Jersey's counties.
And so I was looking at that and I was looking at how close it came in uh in the Garden State in 2024 in the Trump Harris election, and so many people said, wait a minute, this is a state that's ripe for a Republican flip.
And in many ways, New Jersey is sort of sort of teetering politically in the way that Pennsylvania did in uh in the past election, really 2020, 2022.
And so a lot of people are saying New Jersey could potentially be the new Pennsylvania.
And it has a lot of those same rust belt kind of uh issues and trends that flow throughout the state in a similar, not not the same, but similar way to Pennsylvania, Ohio.
And so then you look at the race itself.
It has tightened so much because it's really simple.
The Republicans have this incredible candidate, a businessman, Jack Chittarelli, a guy who's actually signed the front of checks, not the back of checks, a guy who's actually put people to work, who understands how the state works and is someone who's just the quintessential New Jerseyan.
I mean, I I was up there um and I'd I'd done other rallies in New Jersey, but this was the first time I got to see him speak in person.
Um we had had a wild wood rally uh a few weeks before to this last night we were in North Jersey, and uh our path just didn't cross.
And I had seen videos of him.
I did not realize how funny this guy was.
I didn't realize this guy is just dripping Jersey off of, you know, off of every single uh line that he puts out there.
He's making he had this whole bit about how he goes, Well, you know, growing up, I uh I'm really glad we didn't have this, those wooden spoons the way they get them at Costco, because if my Italian grandmother got one of those, the as big as they are today, I wouldn't have survived.
And everyone's just cracking up.
Everyone's losing it, they're laughing.
And he goes, Mikey Cheryl, Mikey Shell, this candidate.
She, you know, she wants to tell everybody that she's a woman.
Well, Mikey, that's right.
You're a woman, and I am in fact a man.
Glad we got that straightened out.
It's so funny.
But you so he's he's so personable, he relates with the voters.
He just, he just exudes New Jersey.
And I And I say that as a guy from Pennsylvania, where you know, we have a very healthy rivalry.
So I was, you know, making a lot of jokes about that.
And I said, look, look, if a lot of Democrats, and I believe 12 elected Democrats, possibly even 15 by the time that uh that I'm done speaking because there's so many 12 elected Democrats, and we're talking mayors, county commissioners, people all across the state of New Jersey have now crossed the line to endorse Jack Chitterelli because that's just the kind of guy that he's been.
That's the person that he's been in the state.
Uh, he's he's got that respect from both sides in a way that you really don't see a lot of politicians do.
But it also speaks to the trend of New Jersey that we're seeing coming from the past election.
So I made this joke, and I said, Well, if uh, you know, if uh if you guys can accept their the endorsement of a Democrat, then maybe you can accept the support of a Philadelphia Eagles fan like myself.
And of course, now North Jersey, that joke works.
South Jersey, they like the Eagles, so it's you know, we're simpatico down there.
But uh it went really well.
And I gotta say, we had we had over a thousand people in a town, a picturesque Americana uh town, Dumont, New Jersey, right next to Teaneck, and we're way up there in North Jersey, so up north past Fort Lee, past the city, uh, past New York City.
And you could, you know, you could see the skyscrapers uh, you know, across the river there.
And the energy is real.
Uh, Mikey Charles, her campaign is collapsing.
She is an Obama toady, she was a Biden toady when she represented New Jersey in Congress.
She's originally from the DC area.
She's not even from New Jersey.
She doesn't really have any direct ties to the state.
She just kind of moved there uh after she got out of the military.
And she's someone who's just been a died-in-the-wolf Democrat.
So now her campaign is faltering so much, and she's in so such a desperate free fall, total collapse.
They're now airlifting every high-profile Democrat they can think of to try to prop her up.
So last week, who did they roll out?
Barack Obama.
This weekend, they they had they brought in, and they didn't even do it in New Jersey because they were so embarrassed.
They went over to the Dakota, the building where uh John and Nyoko Ono used to live over in New York, and they did a fundraiser for Mikey Sherrell with who?
Hillary Clinton.
Uh, they brought her and then they brought Wes Moore up, the governor of Maryland.
They're doing everything they can to try to prop up this really unpopular and unlikable candidate who just isn't connecting with the voters.
She's someone who um she has this scandal about the Navy Academy and the 94 Navy Academy cheating scandal is something that as a Navy officer, even in the 2000s, we were still talking about it because it was such a big scandal.
She wasn't allowed to walk down the aisle at graduation.
Now she didn't get kicked out, but she wasn't allowed to walk down the aisle because of her involvement in the cheating scandal.
She won't release her records.
Why won't she just release the records?
She says she has nothing to hide, just go release the records.
But I I don't, you know, try to be one of those guys who talks about their military service all the time.
But I will say I I've given my military records to every single reporter who has ever asked in my entire time in public life, and I'd be more than happy to continue to do so.
I don't know why she can't do that.
And then uh just on the last piece of this, she is someone who she's on the House Armed Services Committee.
She has enriched herself, her net worth has gone up by seven million dollars during the time that she's been in Congress.
And when she gets asked about that, she goes on the Breakfast Club with Charlemagne Nagad, and he's, you know, he's he's no Republican, he's no conservative.
And she sits down with him and he asks her about this.
He said, How come you're doing this insider training?
It says you made $7 million.
That's an issue, by the way, that AOC has brought up, that other Democrats have brought up as well as Republicans.
Yeah.
Um, and she her answer is that she doesn't remember how much money she made from the trading.
I mean who among us doesn't make seven million dollars.
I guess the zero is just forgettable getting added on, and it's easy to forget.
I mean, it it's she's again, she's just unlikable.
She's she's not quick on her feet.
She's someone who doesn't connect well, and she's very typical of a DC politician and very much airlifted by Obama into the state, and then later Biden, Hillary, and you see, they're trying to do this all over the place.
By the way, they did the same thing with Phil Murphy, who's the current governor of the state.
And uh memories run long in New Jersey.
And they remember that Phil Murphy in New Jersey was one of the absolute worst Democrats when it came to COVID lockdowns.
So many people fled the state.
He was an absolute tyrant.
And of course, there are a lot of people making jokes.
They said, These guys are holding the no kings rally when they had a tyrant in Trenton all during COVID.
He said you couldn't leave your house, you couldn't go to church, but they're gonna say no kings.
No, you guys are the tyrants.
And film Phil Murphy and the people who supported him were continuing to do so.
So Jack Chitarelli is a business owner.
He's someone who was great on COVID and someone, by the way, who, and credit to him and credit, and it speaks also to the fact of the importance of this issue across the country.
He has made a direct issue in this campaign, the fact that he will end the sanctuary state policy of New Jersey and start cleaning up illegal aliens.
And I believe I have to check my math on this, but New Jersey, I think is in the top 10 states.
Even, you know, New Jersey, small as it is, and it's nowhere near the border, they're in the top 10 states per capita for illegal aliens.
And that's because of the proximity to New York people, they the illegals will come in and then they'll come across the river and then they'll go south into New Jersey.
So they've been dealing with this issue for a long time and they've got a lot of bad criminal illegal aliens.
They've got MS-13, ice raids have been going on.
And guess what?
The people of New Jersey want it.
So that's where this race is.
We had a thousand patriots up there cheering in Bergen County, New Jersey, which is a again a Democrat area, and yet they're all coming out and they're wearing red MAGA hats and they're wearing white freedom shirts.
That would be so amazing because especially seeing New York and how bad New York is and the fact that Mom Donnie is likely to get elected.
It would be so great if in New Jersey we went the other direction, had Republican win.
How do you compare New Jersey to let's say Virginia?
Because that race is also really close for um, you know, in Winston Sears race.
And when I saw Spanberger, she just looked demonic when she was in that debate with Winston Sears.
She was just staring dead on, like didn't even say anything.
Do you feel like those are similar in the sense that they're so close and we could maybe win both of them?
I mean, is this like a tide where if we're all of a sudden winning those states, things look really good for us for the midterms and the next presidential election, or what do you think about like those races?
I'll put my political analyst hat on for a second and not my partisan hat, right?
So typically speaking, when when one party wins the White House, the next year's elections and what they call the the off-year uh gubernatorial races of New Jersey and Virginia typically swing to the opposite.
So when Barack Obama won in 2008, what did you see?
You saw a Republican won down in Virginia, and then you saw who win in New Jersey was Chris Christie.
So Chris Christie became the governor of New Jersey one year after Barack Obama won uh the country.
And so that's typically something you see.
You also hear this adage that the party in power usually does poorly in the first midterms.
And so a lot of this is kind of a proxy for what's going to be coming in 2026, the midterm elections, when people are expecting uh they're gonna say Republicans usually aren't going to do well because the Republicans have the White House, and because the majority in the Congress is so tight right now in the House of Representatives that it's a situation where a lot of people say, okay, we think the House is gonna flip.
But when you look at the internals of the race of New Jersey in particular, and yes, there are headwinds in Virginia, but again, I'm talking about this is long-term political trending and his and political um uh political trajectories.
They typically do swing Democrat.
And so, yeah, you've got Spamberger who is just as unlikable as Mikey Sherrell.
I think they probably, you know, probably went to some of the same finishing schools or something.
They kind of seem like the same person when you see them up there on the stump, you almost can't tell them apart.
Um, that being said, Virginia as a state, it's they've got so much of that DC bubble up in Northern Virginia.
They've got so many people up there that are just from that Washington, DC.
And these are not like, these are not your working class blue-collar Democrats like New Jersey has.
These are your died-in-the-wool, super regime supporting apparatus from Washington, D.C., that know that at least prior to the recent deployment of National Guard, Washington, DC has gone so far down the tubes that they will all live across the river in places like Loudoun County and Arlington and Clarendon and Alexandria, et cetera, in North Jersey.
So that's the issue with New Jersey that all of those industries, the government industry has switched over.
That's your white-collar Democrats.
Now, those white-collar Democrats, they're far more died in the world.
These are your, these are your core no kings protest supporters beyond the uh, you know, the sort of like aging super senior, you know, like the they're basically aging hippies who are trying to relive the Vietnam era movement.
Um but it's not like New Jersey, where New Jersey again has those blue-collar working class Democrats.
Um, you know, just to point out, you know, a lot of the names I saw just driving around looking at businesses.
You see a lot of Italian, a lot of Irish, a lot of Pollocks like uh like yours truly.
So you see a lot of those those type of names, and and that's typically associated with your your white working class or your ethnic working class.
And so those groups, by the way, had been traditionally Democrat because a lot of Irish, a lot of Italians, a lot of Polish ended up supporting FDR, and then of course supported Kennedy when he ran.
But there's been a huge shift going on in those populations over the last couple of decades, and particularly with President Trump.
Uh Ronald Reagan won this group as well.
Richard Nixon won this group when he ran because he because these presidents, populists campaigned directly to them.
And so I think we're popularly known as Reagan Democrats.
And of course, your father knows all about that from his time in the Reagan Revolution.
And so that's what you saw Trump able to tap into.
And I think it's what you're starting you're seeing be tapped into in New Jersey.
That being said, I'm not going to say that it doesn't exist in Virginia, but I don't know if there's enough of them in those numbers to be able to get that same swing in Virginia.
But I will say uh that this attorney general candidate for the Democrats in Virginia, his scandal has been so absolutely enormous that I'm I'm willing to say right now that it looks like he is not going to win his race.
And Jason Yares will probably be does look like he'll be re-elected as the attorney general of Virginia.
Now, that being said, the question is will Abigail Spamberger's refusal to be able to disavow and distance herself from those comments be enough to drag her down.
I don't know.
We will see, but that's been the thing that's really driven the numbers change and the trajectory change in that race, which is totally different from what's happened in New Jersey.
Um, but at the same time, when we're in a climate right now where we're talking about political violence, when everybody remembers the murder of Charlie Kirk, very fresh in everyone's minds, as well as a number of incidents of violence that were being carried out throughout September.
I I call it bloody September because of this, that it's really something where comments like his, which were by the way, we're not jokes.
We're we're just truly horrific, and uh harassment of a female delegate on on the backs of it.
I think it's definitely going to drag him down.
By the way, I saw again with my political analyst hat on.
I'm just gonna say this, saw a lot of people calling for him to drop out of the race.
And I'm like, Republicans, no, leave him on the ballot, you know, win the race, and then uh, you know, and then deal with the rest of it.
But um, you know, you don't want to put up someone who has a possibility of winning, and then um, and then, you know, and then we'll see whether or not that's able to affect the rest of the ticket there.
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And it seems like it's just so crazy because the Democrats, they don't even want to distance themselves from that person or the idea because sometimes people would say, oh, you know, they don't want to, you know, denounce someone or something.
But it's like, but they actually a lot of them actually agree with the things he says.
And so that's why they have no issue with um him in general.
And even someone who's in such a tight race, like she is, isn't even interested in in distancing herself from those kinds of comments.
And for people who don't know, these are the um the comments about you know political violence and the text messages.
Um, do you think that the young Republicans chat came out at this time to distract from everything that was happening with this, and then um, you know, the Charlie Kirk Medal of Freedom, for example.
I mean, it's so silly and ridiculous, but um, we're talking about these huge and important races that are gonna influence, you know, um, citizens of an entire state, and yet people are talking about like a silly article.
What was kind of your reaction to the timing of that?
Oh, it was 100%.
Uh, so so there we are, and it's it's myself and sort of the other, you know, uh Charlie Kirk co-hosts, and we were we were all on our way to the White House, and we sort of had a dinner the night before because we all had come to DC to uh to honor our friend and and uh obviously Erica came as well,
and a lot of you know, a lot of the turning point sort of just family and team all came out, and and there we are that morning, and you know, we've got sort of a group chat going, and suddenly we see this article, you know, politico dropped on the very morning that we're all getting ready to go to the White House for the Medal of Freedom ceremony, and obviously we've all been preparing and getting ready, and Erica's got her speech all set up, and you know, we we say, wait a minute, what is going on?
What's this huge, you know, story that's dropped and leaked text, and what does this you know that have to do with anything?
And it's such an obvious example of a media strategy known as bracketing.
This is also a political strategy, and it's an information warfare strategy.
And that is when there's something going on that you can't overshadow in the information environment or in the information landscape.
Then the best thing you can do, and you saw the Democrats do this immediately in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder.
You can do something to say, well, it's both sides.
Well, it's both sides.
You know, we can't deny it, but it is both sides.
And so they had to find some ability, something they could point to to say, well, it's it's really both sides.
Because ultimately, what they wanted wasn't the disavowals, it was just more conversation about it.
What they wanted is people to see on their timelines or people to be turning on their media, their cable news, and they wanted people to see Republican Hitler, Republican violence, Republican hate, Republican bigotry, and just those words put together over and over and over at the same time that they're seeing Charlie Kirk Medal of Freedom, Erica Kirk, widow, Erica Kirk, tragedy.
And So they they mix all of this into the information environment at the same time because they know that what happened to Charlie was so horrific and so violent and such an act of unmitigated and and completely um completely uh just just evil, just pure, pure unadultered evil that they had to do something to try to distract them this.
So suddenly it becomes the oh, it's the group chat.
Oh, what about the group chat?
What about the group chat?
And it gives all of their you know, followers and supporters something to be able to point to.
And then also for uh foolish Republicans who don't understand what is happening, it gives them this this sort of bait almost where they fall over themselves to have to, oh, I have to be the first to disavow.
I have to be the first to uh get in and start talking about this without realizing that the more they talk about it, and the more that they give it attention, and the more that they play the media's game and go along with one of their struggle session rituals, the more power you are giving to the media.
And you know, all credit to my good friend Andrew Colvet, who was on a panel with uh News Nation.
He's with up there with Chris Cuomo and Stephen A. Smith and you know, a bunch of Democrats and uh John Fetterman was there, it was a really really good Bill O'Reilly, really interesting mix.
And they asked him about this, and he he said, Look, I'm I'm willing to have a conversation about it, but I think we really need to have a conversation about the violence that's going on in this country first because we can see the violence, we could see the side that's supporting violence, and we can see all of that, and we hear these things from people who are in positions of power, people are or in positions to affect things, and these are not this nowhere in the same universe as some private group chat.
And I was just I was just started slow clapping for him when I watched that, you know, and I was texting him right after.
I was like, right on, man, right on.
And yeah, you know, the the Democrats were attacking him for that.
But at the same time, there were a lot of Republicans who say who said, Finally, finally, someone who's not willing to play the game.
And you see JD Vance do this all the time, and obviously President Trump does it all the time as well.
He said, I'm not playing this game.
We're not playing these games anymore, right?
We had to bury our friend last month.
We have to give Erica the Medal of Freedom posthumously.
I had to uh talk with Charlie's parents that night.
All right, this is all real.
This is all real and it's all happening right now, and I'm sorry, but I just don't care about some group chat right now.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was crazy.
I think Brandon was doing an interview with like our Dallas area broadcast, like in Texas, and they were saying they were gonna ask him about something else.
But then of course they bring up the young Republican group chat, and he just kept saying, you know, what about the Virginia, you know, race?
What about the the techs over there?
What about all these calls for violence?
So there's no need to denounce anyone.
There's no need for us to back down from anything because all that ends up happening is the left ends up using that and winning.
Um, but you mentioned I would even point out, I would say to the media games and say, wait a minute, oh, politico, right?
Is that the same politico that refused to publish the text messages and the emails and the photos from the Hunter Biden hard drive that Political received a copy of that they came out and said that it wasn't real, and they came out and published a letter that said 51 intelligence officials say that this is Russian disinformation.
So Politico attacked when we released the Hunter Biden hard drive.
They attacked that and they wouldn't show those private messages.
But when it's the young Republicans that like nobody's heard of out of, you know, out of the New York State chapter, suddenly they make it national news.
No, it's very obvious what they're doing, and they need to be called out on their games.
We do not live in a system where there's one standard.
And if they are not going to hold themselves to the stand that standard, then why should we?
Right.
Absolutely.
And I mean, I'll just separate from that anyways.
I mean, it was obviously only written to be a hindrance to President Trump, to be a hindrance to administration and just all the incredible wins we're having and the fact that so many people are probably um, you know, moving to to the Republican side and realizing just the evil of the Democrats.
So they want to point to this one little thing, and it's just ridiculous.
But um, tell me a little bit about some of the no kings protesters.
I know that we saw that some of them were just so insane.
They were literally, you know, they would be reenacting Charlie Kirk being shot in the neck, or they would be, you know, wearing clothing to act like they looked like the shooter or just um absolutely ridiculous, crazy things that you know, we could point to the same thing there, And it's just it's really sickening.
Did you see a lot of that this weekend?
Or what was um what was your observation?
I saw the teacher who was pointing to her neck.
I saw the uh, you know, I think I was one of the first people to tweet out that image of the individual who is dressed up as Tyler Robinson, the the you know, they say alleged assassin, but I mean he's on video um of of Charlie Kirk.
Uh and they have, and we even found a video this morning of uh seems like a young boy, probably 12 years old, and he's got some mask on.
And I don't know I don't know exactly which one of these ones it was at, but they have an effigy of Donald Trump, and and the boy is like stabbing it and hitting it with some sort of some sort of implement, some sort of uh weapon.
Wow.
And I I turn around, I look at this and I say, you know, we were in a situation just a couple of weeks ago where one of the leaders of the conservative movement was was murdered in front of the entire world.
And we didn't respond with violence.
We didn't respond with starting fights and picking fights, and you know, and I said this to a reporter recently, and I was like, you know, we could have, but we didn't.
Right?
Right.
We responded with vigils.
We responded with prayers, we responded by telling people to go to church because that's who we are.
That's actually what we're all about.
And then you guys get up and you you say the duly elected president of the United States who won the popular vote, who won seven out of seven of the swing states is a king, and suddenly you're you're up calling for more violence.
And by the way, this is why Abigail Spamberger won't denounce those text messages from her running mate, by the way.
This isn't like some random group of people, it's her running mate.
It's like, yeah, you're on this, this is right next to you on the stage.
I have no idea who that man is.
He's right next to you.
He's he's standing right there.
What do you mean?
You know, yeah.
You just did all these events together.
Now he's talking about killing kids.
What do you say you don't know him?
And she's like, I don't, she's like, Well, I I I find those texts to be reprehensible.
Okay, so we will you denounce him.
Well, and again, this is the difference though, because we talked about the voting demographics and the differences in Virginia and New Jersey and the the different makeup of those races.
It's that white-collar Democrat base that she has in northern New Jersey that she knows that if she walks back from those comments that they are not going to come out for her.
They're that they're going to be upset because ultimately they agree.
Because ultimately, this is what is at the heart of their politics.
It's hatred, it's envy, it's resentment, it's anger.
And and I I hate to say it, but you you find so many of these cases where someone gets identified at one of these No Kings protests as doing something absolutely horrific, or someone is making fun of Charlie and celebrating his murder and all this, and they turn out to be a teacher.
They turn out to be a public school teacher, um, you know, professors as well.
But uh, I don't think people have I don't think people have really realized that in the last 15 years, 10 to 15 years that our public school system, and and certainly I think they got this through COVID, but our public school system has been completely infiltrated by communists.
And they are there, they are cultural Marxists, they believe in every single tenet of cultural Marxism.
And this is why that they teach or that they want to push 1619 awokeness in the transgender agenda.
It is because they are they are ultimately these types of cultural Marxists.
And look, you know, it's like I always say this, you know, think of your friends who went off to become teachers.
You know, everybody is, you know, grows up with a certain cohort of people or like group of people in high school or whatever, and they go off and go to teaching college.
And it's always like the worst liberal lefties, they're going to those teaching colleges, and then the teaching colleges just reinforce it and make it so much worse.
They tell them America's a horrible place, America's the worst place on the planet, America needs to be torn down.
And then guess what they do?
They go back in there.
And so, you know, one thing that that I had actually talked to Charlie about on this issue prior to this was, you know, we sit there and we complain about it, but where's our teaching colleges?
Right?
Where's our ability to say we're gonna hire uh and train teachers and set up a school to train people and put them into those ranks?
And in addition, when we get cases where we're able to take over school boards like the Great Moms for Liberty are doing and all the rest, um, when we're able to take over school boards, we can, you know, obviously get the trash out of the system and take out the trash when you have these teachers.
But again, it's so bigger than I think a lot of people realize.
Yeah, absolutely.
And maybe you can tell us a little bit about the you know, the Rutgers situation with Antifa with the teacher, and how I think you you were with her in person, and unfortunately, Rutgers is now investigating this person.
Give us more of the the backstory there.
So, right, uh, Dr. Antifa.
This is the uh this story out of Rutgers University.
Again, back to New Jersey and uh once more a taxpayer-funded public university, it's sort of the the University of New Jersey there, where they have this guy who's been on their staff since about 2018, I believe.
And his name is Dr. Mark Bray, and he's the guy who wrote the anti-fascist handbook.
So if you remember when Keith Ellison famously held up that picture of the Antifa handbook, this is the guy who wrote that book, Dr. Mark Bray.
He is someone who unconditionally calls for um what he calls preemptive self-defense and preemptive self-defense under this moral and ethical framework, it means that if someone is a fascist, if someone is a xenophobe, if someone is a bigot, then they are prone to violence.
And therefore, if this person is prone to violence, then you, as a as a good right-thinking individual, are ethically and morally justified and in fact obligated to use violence against them before they use violence against you.
So, what does this mean?
This means he's advocating for violence.
He's advocating for violence, and he talks about uh using guns.
He talks about using small arms, he talks about using explosives, he even talks about using heavy weapons.
And again, this is all in his book.
And he's sitting up there, and by the way, he got ran out of Dartmouth University years ago for preaching the same stuff.
And in the wake of Charlottesville, if even the prof the president of Dartmouth totally denounced this guy, Mark Bray said, This is not what we stand for at all.
We got to get rid of this guy.
So they got rid of him somehow, though, they passed the trash up to Rutgers.
Rutgers gives them this part-time speaking spot.
So, in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder, he's still up there.
He's preaching the same old gospel of violence and hate up there at Rutgers every day.
So the Turning Point chapter, uh, and it's led by these, you know, these two young girls uh up there, um, Megan and Ava, and they launch a petition.
They said Rutgers should get rid of this Antifa professor who is harassing us, who is calling for violence, calling for violence against members of Turning Point, and by the way, contributed to the violence and the certainly the ecosystem that led to the murder of the leader of Turning Point USA.
When Charlie Kirk was shot, the killer had written on the casings, hey fascist catch, and had also written the phrase Bella Chow.
Bella Chow is a reference to a song, which a lot of people may not realize.
You may have heard the song, but a lot of people may not realize that that's also the international anthem of Antifa.
That's Bella Chow.
It's a communist song from World War II.
Yeah.
And so uh these symbols are very simple, sim, uh very very familiar to someone like Mark Bray.
So they launched this petition.
Again, these they're they're two young college girls, right?
They're, you know, he says, he turns around.
This, this again, the the famous tactic of the cry bullies and the theater kids that make up the far left.
He screams that he is now being put under threat.
Uh I tweeted that he, as a professor, is supporting domestic terrorism.
Um, so then he says that because of me and because of this petition, he has now been forced to flee the country and has now fled to Spain and is taking essentially a taxpayer-funded vacation in Spain, paid for by the homeowners of New Jersey, and saying that he has to do all of this because he's afraid for his life that these young college girls have launched a petition against his violent rhetoric.
Now, in response to all this, you'd think that Rutgers would come in and try to turn down the turn down the temperature, try to find something, maybe compromise.
I don't know.
What has Rutgers done?
Rutgers has put our turning point chapter under investigation.
Wow.
So they're under investigation now and looking at possible disbandment.
They're suddenly saying, oh, there's some problems with your paperwork.
You know, we were looking at your filings just randomly, you know, all of a sudden in the midst of all this Dr. Antifa scandal.
And you know, it looks like, you know, you said you were at this campus, but actually you have took classes on this campus, and I mean, just ridiculous stuff.
Where they're now coming after our students, they're coming after our girls, they're coming after our kids who have already been faced With the violence and the rhetoric of Dr. Antifa, Mark Bray.
And so our response to all them has been very simple.
And I've I've talked to Turning Point Headquarters in Phoenix about this, is to say Turning Point will stand with its chapters.
Turning Point will defend its chapters.
And if Rutgers University wants to find out how good Turning Points lawyers are, they're more than welcome to.
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You know, the sad thing is it doesn't surprise me because so many of these colleges are so liberal, but we have to end up changing this eventually because, you know, it's it's eventually going to reach a temperature point, which is where we are now, where people are getting killed because of this radical ideology that these people have on the left in Antifa.
I mean, do you feel like in uh to a degree Antifa's been activated because of the Charlie Kirk shooting?
Because I know on the right, we're like, wow, you know, we may see a lot of this Christian revival, all these people are, you know, really waking up and Charlie Kirk's legacy was so amazing.
But do you think there are people who are fans of the crazy things that, you know, Antifa says that this alleged shooter did, and then are, you know, maybe just a few of them then gonna act more on this.
I mean, that scares me because, right, all these speakers, they feel like, okay, we need more security students.
I mean, I worry about those people too who live every day around these people.
So what do you think about this and let's do it?
It's true.
Um, you know, I'll just have to say it again, I'll put to put the analyst hat on is that um there will be copycats to Tyler Robinson.
And by the way, Tyler Robinson was in many ways a copycat of Luigi Maggione.
Remember, Luigi Agioni was the first person to use the tactic of writing words on the bullet casings.
That was uh deny, defund, defend.
And uh, which is a you know, this phrase that's used in anti-private health care um type rhetoric.
It's it's the name of a book.
And he used that, he wrote those on his bullet casings before he shot and killed the CEO of United Healthcare in cold blood on the streets of New York.
So again, this is a violent ideology That we're seeing now the tactics, techniques, and procedures flow between multiple assassins.
Uh, we also saw the Catholic, the anti-Catholic shooting in Minneapolis, Minnesota, where there was the transgender individual who clearly was wrestling with uh their own demons uh who went and shot up a school full of Catholic children, just while they were attending mass, while they were attending church and went through the windows.
And and I don't know if people realized exactly what was happening there.
The shooter was standing outside the church, and the the way the windows along the side of the church were lined up, that uh each window, and if you've been to a Catholic church, this is pretty common where the wind, this the stainless window lines up with the pew.
So what the what the shooter was doing was going pew by pew, shooting into rows of children and going down the line one by one by one, killing as many Catholic children as uh as he possibly could.
And I I remember, you know, reporting on that story as my own kids are in Catholic school.
And, you know, of course, we had got police security and and all the rest of it in the days since.
Um, then, you know, a couple of days after that, we have Charlie Kirk's murder.
And so there's absolutely going to be copycats here.
The left is getting more violent, the violence will continue.
I uh had the honor of being um invited by the president to come and speak on this issue at the White House recently, and he participated in this panel on left-wing violence and the rise of Antifa.
And that was that was the assessment that I said to the commander-in-chief there that the left is getting more violent, that these assassinations will will not stop unless they are stopped on the you know, first, because this is what we see throughout the entire history of left-wing violent movements going back a hundred years, going back 200 years, even to the French Revolution.
And I said, Look, Mr. President, I'm and and by the way, I said this just knowing the tactics and knowing the history, right?
I said, Mr. President, it's very likely that the next person that they shoot at could be sitting at this table right now.
And obviously that would include the president himself.
And what did we find out last night?
Well, last night we found out that right outside President Trump's uh airplane, um, you know, the airport, the tarmac where they keep Air Force One when he goes to visit Palm Beach, so PBI, Palm Beach International, right outside the spot where Air Force One lands and where he goes and and comes up and down those steps,
they found a hunter's perch, a hunting blind in the woods directly across the street, directly in eyesight of where Air Force One lands and directly in eyesight of where uh the president would be walking out.
So clearly, and by the way, this is you know, this is Palm Beach.
This is not exactly an area that's known for hunting.
Uh, it's known for known for retirees and and golf.
Um there's no, there's not enough area.
No, it is not legal to hunt in those areas.
And again, this is the same place where he had survived uh a previous assassination attempt um in uh in the fall of 2020, just one year ago, really, when from Ryan Routh, who was just convicted.
So we've got yet another uh potential assassination attempt of President Trump just days after I went and delivered that message.
And look, I'm not saying anything special.
I think everyone understands this, that it is getting worse out there.
And we had great security up in New Jersey last night.
We had special forces from the state police, their special operations group, we had local police, we did have a drone up, we did have plain clothes, we had undercover.
We're obviously turning point USA when we're holding these tours, we're continuing tours throughout the country.
We've got Tucker Carlson tomorrow in Indiana.
We've got a huge one with J.D. Vance coming up at Ole Miss.
Um, we've got another one with uh with Benny Johnson and Frank Turek coming up as well.
So just huge, you know, huge events, and and Eric and Laura Trump are also speaking.
So just these huge events, the biggest speakers, and at the same time, we have we now have to use all of these procedures.
And yes, of course, uh for the turning point events, they are being held inside because uh quite simply the outdoor events, we can't guarantee the safety of students.
We can't guarantee the safety guarantee the safety of speakers, this guaranteed the safety of campus.
And because of that, because we are living through a time right now where we have revolutionary Marxist, uh Marxist communists running rampant throughout the country.
And people just need to understand this over and over that the threat of violence is absolutely the real if you are a conservative.
You if you are a public conservative, and by Daniel, that includes you and your husband and your father as well, right?
If you are a public conservative, that means to have a target on your back.
And I know it's you know, it might sound uh, you know, morbid and it's not exactly polite to bring up, but you know what?
I I don't I don't want to have to hear anyone else given another speech like Erica had to give the other day.
And if I have to say something that's gonna ruffle a few feathers, then I'm going to.
Yeah.
And we'll definitely keep, you know, you guys and our prayers too and your safety because um, you know, the left is crazy, and this is why.
It's not because of anything else other than leftist ideology that is um causing this violence.
100%.
And by the way, uh could I just on that you know I I hear people say, oh, is it the video games?
Is it the is it the social media?
Is it uh, you know, this and that.
I said, I said, wait a minute I've I played video games.
I use social media every day.
I never did anything like that.
Well what were the Bolsheviks, you know, what was their social media?
What video games were they listening to?
What were what was in their CDKs?
What was on their Spotify playlist, right?
It stop.
Just like I I keep hearing people say this, especially on our side, which is you know, it's it's ridiculous.
No, it is an ideology.
It isn't a violent ideology that needs to be stamped out, and it's just as simple as that.
Yeah, yeah.
There could be other reasons you're like, hey, I don't want my kids to play video games or whatever it is, but that is not the source of this.
The source of this is the left wing ideology.
It is communist.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
No, we're we're actually we're not huge on on video games.
We can play a little bit, but we're not huge on it.
Right, right.
But that's because we have little kids, and yeah, just I don't want to, you know, don't want them getting sucked in.
Yeah, totally understand.
That's more I will say though, that's a little more Tanya than me.
Like I'm a little more lenient on it.
So every once in a while I'll be like, hey guys, you want to go to the arcade?
You know, we'll just uh football off the game.
Maybe you guys as superheroes, like so big video game or something, and you know, Trump there's something that would that would be okay.
Yeah.
Well, Jack, thank you so much for joining us.
I really appreciate it.
Make sure to go check out his book on humans so you can learn more about the evil behind all of this.
And um, thank you again for joining us.
Oh, God bless Danielle, and you're doing a great job, by the way.
Your dad, I'm telling you, he's gonna he's gonna have a run for his money, you know, taking days off and letting you come in here.
I always start the show by saying, guys, I'm sorry to disappoint, because I know you all are gonna miss Dinesh today, but I I um you know, I just love being here so much, so I feel like they just put up with me, so it's okay.
Uh oh, it's a hostile takeover.
Oh, well, Jack, thank you again.
And tell Tanya, we say hi.
God bless.
Hoping you all get together soon.
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