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	The revival of an ancient conflict.
	Recorded in the Bible.
	The nation of Israel is a resurrected nation.
	What if there was gonna be a resurrection of another people, an enemy people of Israel?
	The Dragon's Prophecy in Theaters October 6th and 8th.
	Streaming and DVDs available October 9th.
	Get the film at the Dragons Prophecy Film.com.
	Coming up, it's a special edition of the podcast today.
	It is the second anniversary of October 7th, and I'm going to give you some reflections about October 7th.
	And then the rest of it is a one-on-one between me and Israel Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
	This is the full unedited interview.
	There's a few minutes of it in the film, but this is all of it.
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	On October 7th, 2023, Israel slept.
	And what I mean by that is that the Israelis were preoccupied with their own internal political fights.
	They were in a situation not dissimilar from this country where you had massive lawfare against the head of government.
	In this case, the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
	There were divisive battles over the Supreme Court and its authority in Israel.
	Needless to say that there was a an internal polarization, an internal rift that mirrors the exact same rift we have in this country.
	Would we be entirely surprised if an attack were unleashed on our country when we are so divided, when our attention is so focused on knocking each other apart or knocking each other down?
	No, we wouldn't.
	And I think this is really the primary reason why Israel was surprised on October 7th.
	There is a second reason.
	And there was an article I just read in Tablet Magazine that made the point that Israel, the security services, the intelligence services, had come to the view, and this goes back several years, that no longer were they meant to fight off invasions because they weren't going to come in the old style.
	This is a digital age.
	It's a technological age.
	And Israel's best bet was to invest heavily in the sort of cyber security to prevent against cyber attacks, attempts to immobilize Israel electronically and through online attacks and devices.
	And so Israel was putting its resources not into manpowering, manpower.
	I mean, I remember this is actually even after October 7th, when we were doing our filming, and we were down right by the Gaza border, and I was walking across a large field which separates by and large the kibbutzes of Israel from Gaza.
	And I expected there to be just an unbroken line of Israeli military, maybe some tanks, maybe certainly some patrol guys with machine guns, and instead, nothing.
	Debbie's right here, she can testify we didn't see a soldier in sight.
	And I think that, by the way, is a big mistake.
	But nevertheless, evidently Israel made a tactical blunder in deploying its intelligence resources to one place when the attack turned out to be an old-style attack, admittedly, with a lot of imagination and people coming in on gliders.
	And but most of them didn't come in on gliders.
	Most of them just came right through the fence.
	And this is, I think, why Israel was taken completely unprepared.
	It's not because Netanyahu wanted the attack, Netanyahu.
	There's this kind of theory, by the way, attends pretty much any surprise attack.
	We were completely surprised on September 11th, 2001.
	Now, we should not have been surprised.
	There had been attacks on America before, the attack on our embassies, the attack on the USS Cole.
	But the truth of it is was that we we were careless and we let it happen.
	Did George Bush know about it in advance?
	Is it reasonable to say, well, Bush, you know, Bush was a lot of Bush was under a lot of heat in this country, a lot of people were making fun of him, so you know what?
	He either knew about it and thought it was okay, or he he actually did it himself.
	No, that's not what happened.
	Uh stop talking nonsense.
	Uh and um, and the same can be said of Netanyahu.
	This is a guy whose family is paid dearly.
	This is a guy who has been an Israeli patriot.
	The idea that he would countenance a massive attack on his own country, many times more severe than 9-11 when you consider the discrepancy in population between the two countries.
	This is really beyond absurd.
	I mean, I'm not saying you can't say it.
	I'm saying if you do say it, the burden of proof is heavily on you.
	Produce some proof that Netanyahu knew about it.
	He obviously didn't, and there is no such proof.
	All right.
	Now, October 7th itself.
	I have to say that I think the country of Israel made a second blunder.
	Uh, and I hesitate to criticize Israel in this way because these people took it on, they took it on the face.
	I mean, this was a straight blow uh to the head.
	And uh the the loss of it is almost incalculable for a tiny country like that.
	So I'm a little reluctant to criticize in any way.
	But I do think that what we have seen is Israel doing very well in many ways on the military front.
	I think they could have done even better had they pulverized Hamas the day after, meaning October 8th.
	Uh, but the truth of it is uh if they did that, they would have to do absolute carpet bombing of Gaza.
	And I think they could have gotten away with it, by the way.
	Why didn't they do it?
	Well, largely because they didn't want to do, they didn't want indiscriminate bombing.
	They didn't want to hit uh Hamas activists and Hamas terrorists and civilians alike.
	They decided to slow it down, make it a more precision operation, focus on the military targets, and this is really why Israel is taking the heat now.
	It's so much later, some of the force of the October 7th attacks has been forgotten, and so uh Israel in a way is being punished for its delayed response, but the delayed response is for the reason that I that I just um gave.
	Now, uh the other mistake that Israel made is they never showed the world the October 7th footage.
	Now, their reason again was good.
	It was we want to respect the dignity of the families, uh, we want to uh preserve a certain sense of of sort of decorum.
	we will show this footage in a selected way to assorted journalists from Sky News and the BBC and CNN, but of course, those journalists are not journalists at all.
	Many of them are propagandists, they're complete um ideologues, they have no interest in the truth.
	So as a result, this October 7th footage has for the most part never been seen.
	We've had a few people who have seen the movie even before, even before it opened uh yesterday, and they were like, How did you get this footage?
	Well, the answer is Hamas took the footage.
	Hamas uh live streamed some of it.
	Um the footage is very interestingly, and certainly for a cinematic point of view.
	We have this footage by the way in the film, it opens the film.
	Uh we had to be careful not to show the most gruesome uh and heart-wrenching uh footage.
	Uh we but we show some uh so that you are on the scene.
	And what makes it fascinating is you're not seeing this.
	You might think that if the if this had been filmed by Israel, you would see the attackers approaching you.
	No, for the most part, the footage is from the other side.
	It's from the attackers.
	And so in the film, in in The Dragon's Prophecy, you are sort of like on a motorcycle with a GoPro on your forehead, and you're riding over the fence into the kibbutzes of Israel.
	You are with Hamas.
	Why?
	Because that's the angle of the footage.
	That's who that's who had the cameras rolling.
	That's who was live streaming all this.
	And so we made the decision, even though there are going to be some people who blanch at it a little bit, uh, and we do have a graphic warning, but the truth of it is you cannot understand any of this without being there, without having some sense of what it was like to actually experience it.
	It's kind of like if you make a film about um 9-11 and the aftermath, the Afghan war, uh perhaps even the Iraq war, you gotta start with the planes going into the buildings.
	That's how it got started.
	Similarly, you want to make a movie about the Pacific War and World War II, you gotta begin with the attack on Pearl Harbor.
	If no one has even seen what that looks like, the rest of it makes no sense.
	In fact, it's very easy if you haven't seen it to then go, well, listen, you know, the US attack, why did the US even declare war on Japan?
	You had us an attack, you know, a couple thousand people died, most of them quite honestly military people.
	How much what was the number of civilians killed uh in Pearl Harbor?
	The answer is we don't even really know because the number was fairly minimal.
	And so if you hold the US to a standard and say, well, listen, you don't need to declare war.
	Just go over to Japan, do some bombings, make sure you keep a head count of the number of people that number of civilians who die, make sure it doesn't exceed the number that they killed, and then you know, like Meghan Kelly says, you know, wrap it up.
	That's it, come home.
	That's the end of it.
	We don't think like this.
	As Americans, this is not our psychology.
	So isn't it interesting that it becomes our psychology when we're dealing with Israel?
	But in no other context would this be our psychology.
	All right.
	So let me pivot now to the um to the main focus of today's show.
	Uh, as you guys know, and certainly those of you who have seen the film, uh, there is a the film deals with the Bible, it deals with archaeology, but then it deals with nitty-gritty politics.
	Uh, and uh a key figure in that.
	I also interview the U.S. ambassador Huckabee, I interviewed the terrorism expert and journalist Eric Stacklebeck, but I also interviewed Benjamin Netanyahu.
	This was not an easy interview to get.
	Naranya was in the middle of commandeering a war, and so it was on again and off again, and we were actually filming in Israel, and unfortunately, our uh request did not get approved by the Prime Minister's office until we had already come back home.
	And so we decided, listen, we will just do this uh online.
	And so my conversation with Netanyahu was from, well, right here, this exact spot uh in my podcast studio uh with Netanyahu checking in from his office in uh in Jerusalem.
	That being said, it's a riveting conversation, it's about 30 minutes long.
	Now there's only about four or five minutes of that in the film.
	That's the nature of film.
	The whole film is 90 minutes.
	Uh, and so we have snippets of Netanyahu in the film.
	But this is Netanyahu sort of unedited.
	This is Neranyahu.
	And I gotta say, in preparing for this interview with Netanyahu, I've noticed that in previous interviews, Netanyahu is is seems quite rehearsed.
	Uh, and And he seems a little bit uh tight if I can use that term, but I I know why.
	He's besieged.
	Everywhere he goes, he's you know, you're a murderer, you're this, you're that.
	Uh, and so Netanyahu is uh see there's a little defensiveness perhaps built into him.
	And he was a little defensive with me.
	Uh, the very first moments of the conversation, you can tell he's like he's not totally sure if I'm like going to go Tucker Carlson on him and like try to charge the camera, you know, uh, or or uh so he's he's wary, but as the interview goes, he he lets his hair down, uh, he engages, he's uh sarcastic, he's funny.
	Um, he certainly you can you can see Netanyahu in a dimension that I think you'll find really enlightening.
	And you get the full picture right now coming on, coming up uh right after this, uh right after this opening segment.
	Uh it is um unedited uh me and uh and Benjamin Netanyahu.
	So I asked him about October 7th, uh, but I asked him about his reaction to it.
	Like when did he find out about it and what did it mean to him?
	What was his immediate thought about it?
	Very interesting.
	Uh then I posed to him the Tucker Carlson question, namely uh how do you know that the Jews of now of today, Netanyahu's Jews, as Tucker kind of put it, are the true descendants of the ancient Israelites.
	And this is where I think Netanyahu is really uh he shines.
	He's really off to the races.
	He discusses some history, he talks about the history of his own family.
	He talks about his grandfather coming uh to um uh coming to Israel.
	Um and he talks also about Jesus.
	Uh he talks about, you may say, the most famous Jew of all time.
	And isn't it interesting?
	You have the the Jewish head of a Jewish state.
	Uh I uh someone who saw this film, in fact, I think it might even have been Jonathan Khan when I first uh showed him the um the um the rough cut of the dragon's prophecy.
	Khan was like, I was really shocked to hear what Netanyahu said about Jesus.
	He goes, I don't think he would have done that even a few years ago.
	So what you're seeing here from Netanyahu, and I think from Israel generally, a much greater recognition of the need for Jews and Christians to come together, the need to maintain an alliance.
	Why?
	Really because, not just because God said so, although that's a good enough reason, but because of common interests and common enemies, enemies who would undo us uh just as soon as they would undo them.
	Uh and the enemies are coming together, and what I mean is the cultural left on the one hand, the radical jihadis on the other, they're forming an alliance.
	So shouldn't we, who are their targets, also form a coalition, if you will, to rebuke and resist and repel uh this kind of attack.
	It's a very interesting uh interview and um and and quite unique, and I think particularly appropriate that it be aired now.
	So we made the decision.
	We did the interview, I don't know, three weeks ago, four weeks ago, maybe, uh, and we were parachuted right into the film.
	The film by that time the film had been largely done.
	Uh so this was like a last-minute um addition to the film, and uh, and I think enriches the film greatly, but uh this is the um the film has an excerpt, and this is the full deal.
	So um uh I hope you find this conversation interesting uh and eye-opening.
	Um and I hope it shows you that Netanyahu is who's often vilified.
	Uh there are even people who you know who are pro-Israel, but they're like, we're not trying to defend Netanyahu.
	Well, I would defend him.
	Uh to me, this guy is like David fighting Goliath.
	Think about it.
	He's he's got a country of 10 or 11 million.
	Iran alone is 80 million.
	Uh, and that doesn't count Sudan, it doesn't count Libya, it doesn't count Turkey, it doesn't count the giant forces of the Islamic world with all their oil-rich uh barrels of money, if I can put it that way, all of this is being mobilized in a very effective way against this guy, and yet he's standing tall, and yet he's fighting back.
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	Prime Minister Netanyahu.
	Let me begin by asking you about uh October 7th.
	The attacks occurred very early in the morning.
	May I ask you where you were when you first learned about them and what your immediate emotional reaction was.
	Well, I heard about it at 629, which is more or less the uh moment that the attack uh crossed our lines.
	Um the first thing I said was, is it an invasion?
	And uh asked also to take immediate action against Hamas leaders.
	Uh I was in my home uh in bed, actually.
	Um, got dressed, went to our military headquarters in Tel Aviv, and uh said, convened the security cabinet and said we're in war.
	This is a war.
	This is not another round with Hamas terrorists, this is a war.
	Uh and uh called up the reserves, all our reserves, uh close to 400,000 because I realized it wasn't only a war against Hamas, but as I said the next day, uh it's a war against the Iran Axis, and we will have to uh uh take it on.
	And I said and promised that we would change the Middle East.
	And effectively that's what we have been doing and are doing right now.
	Changing the Middle East, ridding it of the Iran Axis, ridding it of Iran's proxies, but also ridding it of Iran's uh threat to annihilate Israel and threaten the West with nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles.
	It seems that you recognized immediately that this was part of a wider threat to Israel and to the region.
	Did you also immediately see that it posed some serious problems for the idea of the two-state solution that has been talked about really off and on for half a century because Israel tried it in a sense with Gaza?
	There was self-government in Gaza, there was an election in the early part of the 21st century.
	Hamas was selected or chosen by the people of Gaza.
	And there's a lesson in it, isn't there, from October 7th, that something that was tried maybe didn't work.
	Well, I didn't need that lesson because I thought that uh creating a Palestinian state whose sole goal would be the elimination of the Jewish state would not bring us closer to peace, it would bring us to outright war.
	And in fact, such a state was created in Gaza.
	Hamas had a state, a de facto state.
	Uh and uh it used it not to promote peace, but to try to annihilate Israel.
	Uh and the other parts of the Palestinian movement are not much better.
	They share the goal of uh uh liquidating Israel.
	I'm talking about the Palestinian Authority in Judea and Samaria, the West Bank.
	Uh they teach their children exactly the same uh stuff that Hamas teaches their children, same textbooks.
	They pay for slay, they pay terrorists for murdering Jews.
	The more Jews they murder, the more they get paid and their families.
	Uh they name their public squares for mass killers of Jews.
	Uh, and they uh uh they say openly or uh often that the first thing, the only difference between them and Hamas Hamas wants to attack us militarily right away, uh, and with terror, as they did.
	And the Palestinian authority says, well, first let's use international pressure, the UN, the Security Council, the ICC, that joke of uh international tribunal, to push Israel into the indefensible 67 lines, and then from there we can take military action.
	So the idea that we should give the Palestinians who seek our destruction a base for which to execute our destruction was uh folly.
	But it uh and it was most Israelis agreed with that before, but now it's not most.
	It's overwhelming after uh uh uh after October 7th.
	Right now, uh, you know, we had a uh vote in the Knesset whether to actively go against the attempt to impose a Palestinian state on us.
	And the numbers were 99 to 9.
	99 to 9.
	So the West uh still clings, a lot of leaders in the West still cling to this uh absurd notion that this uh conflict between us and the Palestinians is about a state, about uh the absence of a Palestinian state.
	It never was.
	They were offered a state many times in the partition resolution, uh, after the partition resolution of uh 1947, uh, well into uh uh recent times where Israeli uh prime ministers before me offered them the shop.
	Here, take a West Bank state, take a state in Gaza, have it.
	Uh and they were refused because the goal was never to create a state, but to destroy one.
	Never to create a Palestinian state for peace, but to destroy and annihilate the one and only Jewish state.
	That's what this conflict is about.
	And that's why it's so absurd to hear the leaders of France and Britain and Australia and so on speak about building a Palestinian state for peace.
	It's absurd.
	Uh it's uh it's the opposite.
	Uh you build a Palestinian state, it'll merely be a springboard for uh new attacks against Israel and a new war, an even deadlier war.
	I'd like to raise with you the this amazing accusation that I hear so often from the activists, particularly the activist left in Europe and in America, that Israel is somehow a colonial power, that Israel has colonized the region.
	Uh would you address why that is such a patent absurdity?
	Well, you know, there's there's such an uh ahistoricism in uh in the present days that you're lucky if people's memory goes back to breakfast.
	But I think uh if you want to go beyond breakfast, go back in time.
	Uh this has been our land for 3500 years since Abraham came here.
	Uh and it was uh populated by uh the Jewish people uh for close to 2,000 years uh by uh uh by the people of the Bible.
	That's when the Bible was written.
	It wasn't written in Tibet, wasn't written in uh, I don't know, in uh Argentina.
	It was written here by a people that lived here.
	Our identity was forged here, our faith uh and our uh our very being uh and here we also uh wrote this book of books that changed history and the perception, gave values to not only to the Jewish people, but to uh all of humanity.
	Uh so the Jewish people lived here for thousands of years.
	Uh we were often conquered by the Babylonians, uh, then by uh uh the Seleucid Greeks and then by uh uh the Romans and then by the Byzantines and finally by the Arabs.
	Uh that's in the seventh century.
	That's 2,000 years after we came here and were populated here.
	And uh after the Arab conquest in particular, the Jewish numbers in this country dwindled uh because the Arabs actually took possession of the uh Jewish farmers' land.
	So it's not we who uh colonized the area from the Arabs, it's the Arabs who colonized the Arab from the Jews.
	Now that could happen.
	This happens in history.
	You know, tough luck.
	Except that the Arabs didn't do anything with it.
	I mean, they didn't claim it as their uh as their own, they didn't make it a separate country.
	It was a backwater for the Arab conquerors, and they themselves were replaced by others, other empires who came here.
	Uh and really the country didn't come back to life until the uh the big Jewish movement to return to our land actually took root.
	We always had Jews living here for thousands of years, even after the uh uh the seventh century.
	But the real movement began in the 19th century actually by Christian Zionists.
	It began in Europe and uh in Britain and in uh in the United States by Christian Zionists who said we have to bring, if we want to bring this land, the land of Israel back to life, you have to allow the people of Israel to come back and build it up.
	That's what we did beginning in the 19th century.
	By mid-century, uh Jerusalem already had an Arab majority.
	And as Jews came here from uh various parts of the world, we built factories, we built farms, we built cities, and this encouraged Arab migration from the neighboring countries into uh uh into uh uh what is now Israel.
	Uh and these uh people are now called Palestinians.
	There were Arabs before, but uh uh before uh they came.
	But uh the great influx and the great growth of the country began with the Jewish migrations in the late uh 19th century.
	Uh and the Arabs who came here, they call themselves uh Palestinians from time immemorial, you know.
	No, they're not from time immemorial.
	From time immemorial, it's the Jews.
	We came here 3,500 years ago, three and a half thousand years, and we never gave up our claim to our land.
	We didn't disappear, we came back to a land that was largely barren and empty, and we brought it back to life, and we're good to keep it.
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	I saw a um video of you recently walking the pilgrimage road, and that's the ancient uh road now recovered by archaeology, in which your uh ancestors uh bathed in the pool of uh Salome, ritually cleansing themselves and then ascending up the half mile path to the temple.
	Would you describe your feelings as you walked on that road and uh say a word, if you will, about uh the role of biblical archaeology in affirming the presence of the Jews, going back not just to the time of Christ, but going back 2,000 years before that?
	Well, more, more than a thousand, actually, 1,500 years before Christ.
	Now, first of all, look at Christ himself.
	I mean, he was a he was a Jewish teacher from the Galilee.
	He wasn't a Palestinian teacher, it was a Jewish teacher with a Jewish name, Yeshua.
	Uh his father was Yosef, Joseph.
	These are all Hebrew names.
	It was the the birth of Christianity came from uh from uh uh Jewish teachers who uh moved to Christianity, but they are they were Jews and they came from Jewish traditions for uh that uh uh were here for uh over a thousand years.
	Uh and uh where did uh Jesus uh turn the tables on the money changers?
	Where?
	In Nepal?
	Uh perhaps in Singapore?
	Of course not.
	It was in the Jewish temple, uh, in the same place where Solomon, a thousand years earlier, had built the first Jewish temple, and then the uh the exiles who returned from Babylon.
	You know the song by the rivers of Babylon?
	Uh it's a very popular song where we sat down, you know, and we remembered Zion.
	Well, they came back from Babylon, actually under a denine Persian king, King Cyrus.
	And so they came back uh uh 500 years before uh the birth of Christ uh and rebuilt Jerusalem.
	And uh we've had uh, you know, we had uh uh uh and and built the second temple, which was refurbished by King Herod.
	This all happened here in the land of Israel, people by uh uh populated by the people of Israel, the people of the Bible.
	So when the uh Arab propaganda that permeates now uh uh the discourse in uh the Euro campuses uh and these illiterate people who are talking about the old the ancient Palestinian homeland.
	They have no idea what they're talking about.
	Uh in fact, there wasn't uh any, there weren't any Arabs here uh until after 2,000 years of uh the Jewish uh uh experience in this land, the land of Israel.
	And you know, uh people said, yeah, but they you know, but they really populated it uh after the the Jews left.
	And the answer is they didn't.
	And you know who gives the best evidence to that?
	How about Mark Twain?
	Uh you know, remember Mark Twain, right?
	A noted uh uh Israeli uh propagandists, right?
	Okay, well he traveled through again.
	He wrote the most uh it's called Innocence Abroad, The Innocence Abroad.
	It was the most popular book that uh uh he published during his lifetime.
	It was more popular than Tom Sawyer or Huckleberry Finn.
	It just sold and sold and sold.
	And it uh it described His visit to the holy land, among other things.
	And he said, we traveled in the Galilee, and we didn't see a human being for the entire day.
	One human being was just barren.
	And then he came to Jerusalem, and he said Jerusalem sits in sackcloth and ashes.
	And he basically said what other travelers, uh, Brits, Americans, French came here in the 19th century.
	And they said, basically, when will the Jews come back and bring this land back to life?
	And we did.
	And the Palestinians, as I said, joined us from neighboring lands.
	And we never said you have to go out.
	We have to kick you out.
	We didn't say that.
	We welcomed them.
	They came to work in our cities.
	The kind of migration that you're familiar with in other countries.
	And that's fine.
	But now what they're saying is this is not your land.
	It was never your land.
	They rewrite ancient history.
	They rewrite modern history because they refuse to accept our patrimony in any part of the land of Israel, or what they call Palestine.
	By the way, a Roman name given to uh uh to our land by uh uh the Emperor Hadrian who wanted to uh erase all Jewish uh connection to the land.
	And this was given hundreds of years before the uh a single the before the Arab conquest here.
	So this land has been the land of Israel.
	Uh we came back, we uh agreed to have uh a state of our own alongside uh what was offered at the time a Palestinian state, an Arab state, actually, it was called.
	The Arabs refused.
	We accepted, but we won.
	Now they want us to accept after they've shown for nearly a century that all they want to do is annihilate us and how to build a state for their own, of their own.
	They're saying, first of all, they change it.
	It's not they who attacked us, it's we who attacked them.
	No, it wasn't.
	They attacked us.
	That's how we repelled them uh and took the land that was rightfully ours.
	So they they rewrite modern history and they rewrite ancient history.
	Uh and that lie is spread through the campuses and through spread uh through the uh uh social networks, through bots, through algorithms, a lot of money that is put in by uh uh foreign powers, by NGOs, by Qatar that has put in a lot of money on this and putting it on influencers who have no idea what they're talking about.
	This has been our land for thousands of years, and we're going to stick stay here, and shall I say, keep the high ground?
	I don't know if you saw this, but in a recent exchange between Tucker Carlson and Senator Ted Cruz, Tucker Carlson posed the following question.
	He said, Are you saying that the Jews of today, the Jews in Israel under Netanyahu, are the descendants of the ancient Israelites who are described in the Bible?
	What is your answer to that question?
	Of course, it's not a question.
	You don't have to have, if you want DNA and compare it to uh our uh ancestors and some of the barrel sites, you'll see it.
	There's no question about it.
	Uh we've had where did we materialize from?
	I mean, uh the Jews spread from uh from this land to uh various parts of Europe to the Middle East and and elsewhere, but we never never forgot this land.
	We said, next year in Jerusalem, next year in Jerusalem.
	Now uh my great uh my grandfather, great-grandfather, came here in the 19th century.
	Actually, he came from the United States.
	He migrated from Europe to the United States, and then from the United States to the land of Israel.
	That's a hundred years ago, more.
	It's uh 120 years ago.
	No, 130 years ago.
	And believe me, uh he uh uh most of the Palestinians who are alive today came after him.
	And what do you think he did?
	He built a farm, uh, he farmed the land.
	Uh he actually employed not Arab workers but Jewish workers, uh, but uh many of his uh uh colleagues did not.
	Many of his colleagues employed the Palestinian Arabs who migrated into this uh burgeoning country.
	So if Tucker Carlson is asking you that, then he has no idea, not of Jewish history, but of history.
	It is so well documented by the greatest historians of uh of modern times who describe the history of the Jews, how we came back, how we never left our uh uh uh left uh our uh hopes and our dreams and our prayers to return here.
	Uh and this was documented by many great writers whom I'm sure Tucker Carlson admires.
	So he should read some of them and get his facts right.
	Of course, we're the same people.
	Uh and holding on to uh a common faith, it's evolved over time.
	The Jews uh evolved also to deal with mathematics, with uh physics, with medicine, with many other things.
	But I think it was the rigor of our the fact that we were the only truly literate people of ancient times, because at least Jewish uh boys were instructed to be able to read the Bible.
	So we were uh a literate people, uh, and we uh were shorn of any possibility in our various exiles.
	Sometimes we couldn't practice in any, we couldn't hold land, we were barred from certain professions, so uh we were forced to deal in trade, and in trade you have to be literate, you have to deal with numbers.
	But also we we studied the not only the Torah and the Bible, we studied the interpretations of the Torah, this evolving body of knowledge, which is called the Talmud.
	Uh and there's a lot of logic in there, a lot of argumentation, uh, and a lot of uh questioning.
	And that developed uh a capacity for innovative thinking.
	And that's how Israel that not only uh had the uh incoming in-gathering of the exiles that the prophets talk about, the the great prophets of the Bible talk about the in-gathering of the exiles.
	Well, we've ingathered the exiles, but it's not only not only uh uh living up to past prophecies, uh prophecies of the past, we're also shaping the future.
	In many ways, Israel has become the other innovation nation in the world.
	It's not merely a startup nation, it's uh innovation nation, which takes our traditions of innovation and questioning uh into uh into the modern technological world.
	I say the other because I think the United States is there uh with uh what they call Silicon Valley and its uh uh successors in the United States.
	We're Silicon Wadi, it's called Valley, okay.
	We're Silicon Valley in the Middle East, and we've developed things that have helped all of uh humanity, medicines.
	That's cell phone, you have a cell phone, Dennis?
	You have a cell phone.
	Yeah, of course.
	A lot of it is made in Israel.
	Yeah.
	And developments that are in Israel, medicine that you take that saves lives from Israel.
	You eat cherry tomatoes?
	I like them.
	Maybe you don't like them.
	I like them.
	Okay.
	I happen to not like them that much, but they were developed in Israel.
	So it's uh food, medicine, agricultural development, drip irrigation.
	Uh how about uh uh, you know, you have a direction in uh in your car, the system.
	Um the GPS, the um which one do you have?
	Um I'm not sure which one we have, but uh it's a navigation system built into that navigation system that has changed the world for everyone in Israel.
	Uh, we just had uh another company, you know, uh we're developing AI, developing uh all these areas that are changing uh the humanity.
	So we we uh are very proud of our past and the fact that we were able to overcome all the opposition in history to come back to the Jewish land, but also to seize the future.
	And it's a rare combination.
	You see that in Israel.
	We're very proud people, very proud of our past, but also very confident about the future.
	And we've had to protect ourselves against those who want to annihilate us from day one.
	Uh maybe Tucker Carlson forgot that.
	The Arabs rejected uh a Jewish state, or rather a Palestinian state in the partition resolution, the UN participative resolution of 1947, they attacked this embryonic Jewish state, which is one maybe one thousandth of the combined area.
	What not one percent, maybe one-tenth of one percent or one half of one percent of the entire land mass of the Arab countries, they have vast lands, vast cornucopia of oil and gas, natural gas.
	Well, we have This tiny little area, our patrimony.
	And in this land where we live next to Arab citizens in Israel who have full rights.
	The only Arabs in this very broad area who really have complete democratic rights, the citizens of Israel.
	But from day one, the Arab countries tried to annihilate us.
	They tried to annihilate us right before 1967.
	Egypt, under the dictator Nasser, flooded the Sinai with his army, 100,000 soldiers, and Syria and Jordan joined.
	And they were going to wipe out the Jewish state.
	They said that openly.
	And we beat them.
	We repelled them.
	And that happened again in the Yom Kippur War.
	They had a surprise attack on us.
	And it happened again on October 7th.
	They invaded us with the worst massacre conducted against the Jewish people since the Holocaust.
	So that's what our history has been.
	On the one hand, regaining our ancient ancestral homeland, on the other, developing a state that becomes a juggernaut of technology and development, but at the same time keeping a democratic society in the face of enormous attacks of countries that want to annihilate us every day.
	And we've been able to repel them.
	And as we repel them, we started making peace with them.
	Let me ask you, if I may, about this issue of civilian uh casualties, because the critics will say that Israel has killed far more civilians in retaliation for October 7 than were killed on October 7th.
	What would you say to that?
	Well, I I think uh you killed a lot more uh Germans uh than uh Americans were killed in World War II.
	That's an understatement, I think uh by a factor of at least uh 10 times, at least 10 times more, uh, but more actually.
	And the same is true of Japan.
	Japan attacked you in a surprise attack uh in uh Pearl Harbor, and they killed, I don't know, a few thousand Americans.
	Uh take a look at what happened uh there uh and how it happened.
	Uh you know how that war ended in ways that uh no one suggests uh should end here.
	I mean it's the bombing of uh Nagasaki and uh uh and Yiroshima and Hiroshima.
	I mean, so that's that's a uh that's a ridiculous uh way of looking at things.
	And by the way, we have we're not carpet bombing Gaza.
	If we wanted to, everybody's saying you want genocide.
	We can carpet bomb Gaza in one afternoon, and of course, so you know that would be a horrific uh uh number of uh casualties, and we don't do that because that's not our policy.
	Our policy is aimed to eliminate Hamas, but uh using the tactics of war that effectively no Western army is used.
	And I'm saying I'm not condemning them, I'm not judging Churchill uh uh contrary to uh Tucker Costler, I think he saved uh Europe.
	I think to paint Hitler as the aggrieved party and uh and Churchill is the uh as the villain is absurd.
	I mean, that that's it's absurd.
	Okay, he's doing that too, you know.
	I'm very proud to be in that same category.
	That he if if that's what he says about Churchill and Hitler, then he's got the whole thing reversed, and he does.
	So the the idea, the problem that we had was that we sought to uh uh roll back the uh uh uh the invasion, this violent massacre by these monsters who uh murdered uh uh 1,200
	of our citizens, raped our women, then killed them, beheaded our men, burnt our babies, took over 250 hostages, grandmothers, grandchildren, to the dungeons of Gaza, where they hold them and starve them and killed some of them.
	Uh this is who is Tucker Carson defending here?
	Who's he defending?
	I mean, these are these are people who chant with the Iranian patrons and their uh colleagues in the Hezbollah.
	Death to America, death to Israel.
	And why do they say that?
	Because they're after you.
	They want to destroy Western civilization, they want to destroy everything that America Stands for the open society, the liberties, the freedoms that you have.
	They detest that.
	And they say what's standing in our way?
	Israel.
	They say Israel is a small Satan.
	The big Satan is America.
	Okay.
	And they want to destroy the Jews here and the Christians throughout the Middle East.
	The only place where Christians are safe in the Middle East is in Israel.
	Not tolerated.
	Welcomed.
	They participate in our society.
	We take care of the holy places, which are destroyed everywhere else.
	Churches blown up throughout the Middle East.
	We fight, we we we hold these values as precious as eternal.
	We have a Judeo-Christian foundation.
	And that's why the whole idea that to be that MAGA stands for being against Israel.
	And basically being for Iran.
	And as we fought this battle, first against Hamas and then against Hezbollah, and then against the murderous Assad regime, all of them were hit and brought to their knees by our action, and then went against Iran.
	What were these critics saying?
	They were saying, oh, you're going to get World War III.
	Oh, and if uh America comes in, Israel, or me specifically, pulling them in to have uh uh American troops on the ground.
	You're gonna have uh horrible things America is gonna send thousands who'll be buried in the Vietnam swamp of Iran.
	What nonsense?
	What nonsense?
	This was uh an action done primarily by Israel, all these stages that I talked about, and we took on Iran, and the great friend that we have, who has none none of these, none of these uh confusions and none of these distortions, President Donald J. Trump, the greatest friend that Israel has ever had, he understands that we're fighting a common enemy.
	Iran wants to destroy you.
	We stand in their way.
	They want to develop intercontinental ballistic missiles tipped with nuclear weapons to destroy you or blackmail you.
	We stand in their way.
	So we took out with the the uh precision action of the Israeli army and the Israeli Air Force.
	We took out their commanders, their nuclear scientists, a lot of their missile sites, and President Trump joined in a magnificent effort, pinpointed, precise, with American pilots uh and the these big birds, these B-2s, uh, and uh we joined together to remove this threat uh of annihilation against us, but also ultimately against the United States.
	Uh Iran is seeking to develop now ICBMs uh that would reach 8,000 kilometers, and they only have to add 3,000, and they reach New York, Washington, Boston, uh, Miami, and then into uh inside America itself.
	Uh we're fighting your enemies.
	We have common values, and you can see that.
	These people, including Hamas, including Hezbollah, and first of all, Iran, they kill Americans.
	Iran has killed and wounded thousands of Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq with their IEDs.
	It tried to assassinate President Trump twice, not once, twice.
	It bombed your embassies, it uh killed 241 of your Marines in Beirut, it burns the American flag.
	Who are these so-called defenders of MAGA defending?
	They're defending the worst enemies on the planet against America.
	They're not MAGA.
	The people who who speak of MAGA, they love America and they love America's values, and they don't uh identify with the worst enemies that uh America can uh is facing today in the world, with uh tremendous violence and tremendous uh tremendous savagery.
	That's what we're facing today.
	And uh I'm very proud of the fact that Israel is the front line of uh this battle of civilization against the barbarism that threatens all free societies.
	Prime Minister Nathanyahu, thank you very much for for joining me.
	I really appreciate it.
	Thank you.

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