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BAKED ALASKA Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1149
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Coming up Trump is meeting with Zelenskyy pretty much as we speak.
I'll explore what a deal between Russia and Ukraine brokered by Trump and the US might look like.
The runaway Texas Democrats are back.
I'll talk about the significance of that.
Bevlyn Beattie Williams joins me.
We're going to talk about her prison ordeal and also a new film that tells her life story.
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I'm going to talk in this opening segment about two things.
The first is Trump's new post from this morning about balloting and election integrity.
And I'm also going to talk about Trump and his meeting with Putin and what we can expect out of this Ukraine negotiation.
I'm going to lead a movement, Trump writes, to get rid of mail in ballots, and also while we're at it, highly inaccurate, very expensive, and seriously controversial voting machines.
So this is a big development because this is an issue very important to many of us, obviously me included, and you most likely as well.
And it appeared that this issue was getting somewhat ignored or sidelined.
It's almost like Trump won, this is the last time he's really running for national office, and will this issue fall by the wayside with very bad kind of long term consequences?
But no, Trump is all over it.
And I think he's all over it, yes, to fix the future, but he's also all over it.
because he wants to be vindicated on 2020.
I think if there's one thing that Trump is more certain of than just about anything else, it's that he won the 2020 election.
In fact, he goes on to say this.
He says it leaves no doubt at the end of the evening as to who won in all caps and who lost in all caps the election.
So what he's saying is that if we don't have these voting machines which tend to produce these interminable delays, you will know on election day, as by the way, you know in other countries and in fact very big countries, Brazil, India, countries with Giant size, giant population, and yet somehow by nine PM at night they've declared a winner, the balloting has all been counted and tabulated, and yet somehow with us it is not the case.
We are now the only country in the world that uses mail in voting, all others gave it up because of the massive voter fraud encountered, all caps.
So Trump believes, and I think he's right, that voter fraud is enabled by mail in ballots.
And the reason for this could not be more obvious.
When you go to vote in person, there are people there.
There is a controlled environment.
You go behind a curtain, you can't really take things with you, per se, and when you leave, you have to leave your ballot behind.
There's not much of a chance to tamper with the ballot, to change it for somebody else to vote on your behalf.
All of these things are prevented by the scrutiny that voting in person ensures.
Mail and ballots, a whole different matter.
Millions of ballots get sent out, nobody knows where who opens the ballot, no one knows who fills out the ballot.
The signature is a kind of joke since those signatures aren't really properly checked anyway.
And not only that, but once your mail and ballot and your envelope are detached from each other, they can never be put back together again.
So even a later audit of what happened with a particular batch of mail and ballots becomes difficult, if not impossible.
Trump then goes on to why this hasn't happened already.
He says that this effort to fix the election process will be opposed by the Democrats because they cheat at levels never seen before.
So what he's saying really is that you know, people might sometimes ask and they would ask me, well, Dinesh, why can't well meaning people get together and fix this process?
And the answer is because we aren't dealing with well meaning people.
These are not people in the case of the Democrats, you have a gangsterized party.
You have a party that wants to maximize opportunities for cheating.
This is part of the reason I believe that Jane Fonda said that COVID was quote God's gift to the left.
It enables you to change the rules, it enables you to create opportunities for massive fraud.
in my view in twenty twenty than in any other election in US history.
And because of the opportunities created by COVID, that may be true not just for the past, but maybe also for the future.
Now, the biggest obstacle that Trump is going to face here is very clear, and that is that states are going to oppose him, Democratic states in particular.
They're going to say, hey, listen, the job of conducting these elections is up to the states.
Now, Trump understands this, but he makes this argument.
He goes, remember, the states are merely an agent for the federal government in counting and tabulating the votes.
They must do what the federal government is represented by the President of the United States tells them for the good of our country to do.
And this part, I think, is by no means obvious.
It's by no means that the Democrats are in fact going to agree to this, and courts are undoubtedly going to have their say in the matter.
Now, let me turn to the situation with Trump and Putin.
In fact, today, the meeting scheduled for the White House with Zelenskyy.
Evidently, Zelenskyy is not coming by himself.
He's bringing a troop of European leaders and others.
Maybe some of the Democrats are also going to demand to be part of the meeting.
So it's like Zelenskyy needs a team, not just a team from Ukraine.
There obviously will be other people from Ukraine joining Zelenskyy.
But he wants to have some of his other allies present as well, probably because he thinks he's somehow going to be steamrolled by Trump.
Now, Trump had the meeting with Putin in Alaska, after which the Democrats uniformly declared the meeting was a failure.
He didn't produce a peace agreement.
Now, anyone who says this has got to be rudely dismissed and even ejected from polite company because anyone who thinks that you can have a war that's been raging now for, what, years, with its roots going even further back, and think that, hey, we're going to have a meeting in
Alaska, and the meeting, by the way, is not even between Putin and...
and Zelensky, it's not between Putin and Trump.
So right away Trump said at the outset he goes, listen, I'm not negotiating for Zelensky.
It's not as if Trump can say, hey, listen, listen, Putin, you know, you take this part of Ukraine and I want this part of Russia, let's do a land swap.
Trump is not going to get into any of that.
So Trump's original objective was kind of focused.
It was let's get a ceasefire.
Let us stop the killing.
I think Trump himself realized even before the summit, before the meeting with Putin, that a ceasefire does nothing but freeze the existing grievance into place.
Kind of like two guys in the street, they're having blows and you're like, let's have a ceasefire.
Well, okay, they'll agree to a ceasefire, but then tomorrow morning they're back up to fighting again because the grievance hasn't been settled.
It hasn't, the underlying cause of their conflict hasn't really been removed.
They haven't come to some mutual understanding that, yes, I can live with this or, yes, this is your due and I can settle for that.
That hasn't happened.
So Trump moved from the idea that what we want is a ceasefire to the, I think, kind of deeper issue, what we want is some resolution of the key issue between Trump and Zelensky.
Now I'll take a short pause and when I come back I want to highlight what that key issue is.
And happily it is an issue that is largely in the hands of Trump himself.
And so it turns out that even though this will end up being a negotiation between Putin and Zelensky, the Trump card in some ways is held by Trump himself.
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Why did this Ukraine war start in the first place?
Now the conventional answer is well Putin invaded Ukraine.
Well, why did he do that?
Let's think back.
Ukraine was part of the old Soviet Union.
The Soviet Union, in a sense, allowed independence for Ukraine.
They never had to give it up in the first place.
They were not forced to relinquish Ukraine, but they did.
But they did under a couple of conditions.
The first one was that Ukraine would not join NATO.
They didn't want to have a belligerent, hostile force right on their doorstep, and by the way, Russia is hardly unique.
We don't want that.
China doesn't want that.
No large power wants to have their enemies breathing down their neck right across from their shores.
So that was one important condition.
The other was there was a grievance between Russia and Ukraine, which was that there are Russian speaking parts of Ukraine.
There are people who are ethnically Russian, who essentially are Russian in culture, Russian in language, Russian even in their own sense of attachment, but they are in fact in Ukraine.
And the more hostile the two countries are, the more the ethnic Russians in Ukraine feel beleaguered, feel unsafe.
And Putin's point is we want to protect our fellow Russians in Ukraine.
This is, I think, part of the Russian claim to Ukraine or at least to the Russian speaking parts of Ukraine.
And yet Ukraine doesn't want to give up any territory or give up any land.
The problem for Ukraine is that they are not going to be able to win a war against Russia, which is a much larger, more powerful country.
Even with NATO's help, by and large Ukraine is the best it can do is hold off the Russians, impose, if you will, a punishment or penalty on the Russians, perhaps to try to deter them, perhaps to convince them to turn around and go home.
Now, the one condition that I think Trump has agreed with Putin on, and I think rightly so, is he said, all right, look, Ukraine, you're not going to be able to join NATO.
NATO is not going to let you in, and the United States has a veto power, has a say so over that.
The United States is in fact the main force, the leader of the NATO alliance, and so Trump has the power to quite clearly enunciate no NATO membership for Ukraine.
And that alone, I think, takes us about halfway there to some kind of a rapprochement or deal or way of resolving the issue.
The unresolved issue, and here I think Trump is going to have to back off is the issue of land.
Because whenever there's a fight, there's going to be someone who takes somebody else's land and the other guy always wants it back, but he did lose it in a fair fight.
And so this becomes, of course, a major issue.
We see it, for example, with Israel in the forty eight war, Israel won and they got a hold of Israel.
Now they didn't have all of Israel, but in nineteen sixty seven, they got the Sinai, they got the Golan Heights, they got the West Bank, they got the Gaza Strip, they made a peace deal with Egypt and they gave back the Sinai, but they've kept the rest of it.
Now they allowed autonomy for the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, but that was still part, that was still under Israeli sovereignty and under Israeli rule.
And so the question is, is Putin going to cede land to Ukraine?
Give it back, so to speak.
Is Ukraine going to make any agreements?
This is ultimately going to be, I think, a case where both sides are going to weigh the continuing cost of a war.
Now, if there's one good thing, it's at the moment cost of war has been pretty heavy on the Russian side as well.
So hopefully, I think this is what Trump is hoping Putin himself.
Normally when you have an elephant, you know, doing battle against a lamb or against, you know, a squirrel, you're not the elephant is going to be in no mood to stop.
A cat is going to be in no mood to stop in playfully dangling a mouse because the cat is completely in charge.
The way to get the cat to make some kind of agreement with the mouse is to impose some penalties and suffering on the cat.
And that has been the case in this war.
Russia has suffered major blows, partly because of the highly sophisticated weaponry from Ukraine.
So what are the chances that this is going to find a resolution?
I would say to me, something like fifty fifty.
I think both parties are somewhat exhausted.
The Russians might believe there's no reason for us to give up now, we're going to win in the end.
And I think that is actually probably true.
But they might also decide, hey, enough is enough.
We've got other things we want to worry about.
There's artificial intelligence, there's robotics, we want to build our economy.
We don't want to continue in a war that has proven pretty destructive even for our side.
Of course, for Ukraine, their survival is at stake.
They have suffered just almost unimaginably horrific losses.
They have been drafting people of an increasingly young age.
It's a horrible situation over there.
So they have every incentive.
If there's any way for them to get to the end of this war, they have every incentive to want to do that.
Let me offer a couple of tit bits in the news that I think you'll find interesting.
MSNBC is giving up its name and it's giving up its name because it's going to be severing its relationship.
with NBC.
This is actually very good because NBC has been sort of sustaining this little monster, MSNBC.
So, somewhat amusingly, MSNBC is changing its name to MS Now.
MS Now.
Kind of weird.
But it supposedly stands for My Source of News, Opinion and the World.
MS Now is the abbreviation for all that.
But to me, it would be actually better if they called it because MS is kind of like Miz, like Miz so and so.
It would be kind of funny if they called it Miz Information.
or even misleading misleading.
Get it?
That's my marketing advice for MSNBC.
I also want to note, and I might talk more about this tomorrow, that the Texas runaway Democrats are back and they're back in Austin, which is to say that they have concluded that there is no way to stop the Republican redistricting.
I think they're now invested in trying to make some larger point about Democratic states also engaging in redistricting, but Chris Saliza, the reporter, has done a sort of a survey of redistricting on the blue states and also in the red states, and he posts the following in a redistricting war, Republicans would win.
Now why is that?
Well, the reason is actually kind of obvious, and that is that Republicans tend to be the guys who are slow to move.
They tend to be the guys who play by the rules.
Democrats try to stack the deck, rig the rules in their favor and they've been doing this now for at least a couple of decades if not more.
So guess what?
The rules in the blue states are stacked heavily in favor of the Democrats.
You have a whole bunch of states that have decent proportions of Republicans and yet not a single Republican seat in not a single Republican congressman from these states.
Which states?
I'll name them Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont, Hawaii, Delaware.
These places have about thirty seven, thirty eight, forty two, forty three percent.
43% Republican.
So you'd think that out of ten seats, four would go to the Republicans.
No, Republicans get zero.
Why?
Redistricting.
So the point is, and I've complained about it, and others have as well, Republicans don't play by the same rules as Democrats, but what that creates under Trump is the opportunity for us now to play by the rules that they, the Democrats play by, and we get more advantage out of it.
Why?
Because our states aren't as gerrymandered as theirs are.
And so, yeah, they can do some more gerrymandering in California.
They can apparently do some more in Oregon, maybe a little more in Illinois.
But that's three.
We can do it in Kansas and Missouri, in Texas and Louisiana, in Mississippi, in Arkansas, in Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Kentucky, and Ohio.
We have a lot more seats to gerrymander than they do.
And so they keep throwing out this sort of pugnacious rhetoric and saw, you know, we're finally bringing a gun to the gunfight.
Well, as it turns out, go ahead and do it because this is a game that in the long run, the Republicans are going to win.
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Guys, I'm delighted to welcome back to the podcast our friend Bevelyn Beatty Williams.
She is, well, a heroine in my book and she has been a fighter for the cause.
We featured her in Police State, but guess what?
Well, I think that might have given her a touch of being a film star.
She's now gone on to bigger things with a new film about her life, and we're going to talk about that in a moment.
The film is actually called Pardon Me, the Bevelyn B. Williams story, and the website, this is actually a website to end all websites.
Bevlyn, the Bevlyn B. Williamstory dot com dot Actually, very easy to remember.
You can follow Bevlyn on X, misses MRS, Bevlyn W for Williams.
Bevlyn, welcome.
Thank you for coming on.
It's always great to see you.
You're looking good.
And let's start by me asking you about this film.
It's a film featuring your life and your story, and I want to talk about your story, but it's not often that people get a movie made about them.
And in this case, it is not you playing yourself as a movie.
You're not seeing yourself in the movie.
It's a movie that has actors and actresses and they are acting out your life story.
But tell me how this, how did this come about?
Right.
So just to let you know, you can go to watchpartyme.com.
It's hyper linked with that website.
So if Bevelyn, you know, part of me, the Bevelyn B. Williams story is too long for you, just go to watchpartyme.com and it'll get you right to that website.
So Silk of Diamond and Silk, she is a wonderful friend of mine.
I see her as a mother figure.
She was like, you know what?
I want to get behind this girl.
I want to tell her story.
I've done few interviews with her and she was just like girl we would always get into personal stuff of my life and she was like girl your life is like a movie and so her and her company harvage productions did this movie oh that's awesome and uh and were you uh like on the set were you actively involved in uh and kind of overseeing it and make sure that they got your story right Yeah, I mean, I've never been on a set before.
So I didn't know like all the intricate details that happens there.
But I was on the set.
I was on makeup.
I was on characters.
I was on storyline.
Like I was very adamant to.
to make sure that the story was like mine.
Now, this is the challenge though.
And I believe I can be transparent about this.
Sometimes when you hire certain directors, right, or certain producers, it seems like when you're hiring a team, Danish, you know this.
Sometimes people come with their own vision.
And it's really important to like control the narrative.
I'm sure by now you've already known your team that knows how to work with you and get what you want down.
But sometimes, you know, this is new for us and it was new for Obama Silk.
So we had a director who was more used to like action films and drama.
And so there were times he wanted to throw in a scene that didn't really align with the story.
And so I would have to be.
like, hey, no, listen, you don't need all of that.
The story alone is good.
Just, you know, stop trying to throw in these extra things.
So we really had to work hard to make sure that they kept this story 95% true.
That was my biggest thing.
I didn't want 10% true based on a true story.
I wanted 95%.
I wanted people to watch what happened in my life and see the truth.
So yeah.
And, you know, sometimes the case, I know this particularly with writers, the novelist Tom Wolfe, he had written Bonfire the Vanities.
And I once asked him, what did you think of the movie called Bonfire the Vanities?
And he goes, I can't watch it.
He goes, it's horrible because they took his spill and they did something else with it.
And he didn't have that kind of control.
But what you're saying is you have seen the final product and you're like, I'm happy with it.
This is in fact my story.
Right.
And actually, to be honest with you, we're, we're, um, other than like fresh, we want to kind of refresh some of the edits.
Um, but other than that, yes, I was happy with it.
It brought what I wanted the message to bring to the table, which was, you know, in my trial when I was, when I was sentenced right, right after I called you, your wife and you and told you guys what happened.
Um, before that, I basically have said to them, you know, you guys set us up.
You push this my body, my choice narrative.
And then we go and we go kill our kids and we go get on this welfare and we go do these things that you ushered as yellow brick road for us to do.
And now we're dealing with depression.
We're dealing with emptiness.
We're dealing with loneliness.
And so we turn into criminals.
We turn to do illegal stuff.
We are a board.
We have idle hands and we get into that mess.
And now the same record that you told us to go and do these things.
And now we build a record from the consequences of doing these things.
And then you throw us in prison.
So it's like a great, it's a setup for failure for my community.
And so I wanted in that movie to expose that.
I wanted to expose my childhood, my challenges and how the system was set up for me to fail because I wasn't a real criminal because I stood for what I stood for.
And so, yeah, the movie did an excellent job displaying that.
Let's get to that message and let's get to the way in which you came to that realization.
Tell us a little bit, Bevlyn, you've been on the show before, you've sketched a little in the aftermath of your case, but talk about, for example, how you started out, where you grew up and how you got kind of on the wrong road and then something helped turn you.
around.
So tell us, give us a glimpse of what that was right so you know you said something interesting you said kind of on the wrong road no i was led to the wrong road you know there's a lot of children in this nation that are born not knowing the difference between right and wrong they're chastised when they're too loud waking up to get ready for school and their parent is tired and they're beat before they go to school rather than being punished for having bad grades or
or being, you know, getting into a fight in school.
You know, you get suspended for school for 10 days.
You're not disciplined for that.
But if you're up in the morning and you're too loud to wake up mommy, you're punched in the face.
You know, so you got to understand that type of foundation.
How does a kid like that understand the difference between right and wrong?
When they do the wrong thing, they're not punished.
But when they're doing the right thing in the midst of being right, they're punished.
So this is what, I mean, my movie with my mom, I went easy on her.
okay I was light I did not and i did not display my older brother people don't know this about me danish but i'm gonna be transparent i have an older brother right now that i did not put in the movie He is right as of right now.
He lives in the woods in a box and he is strong out on drugs.
And that's the God honest truth.
I don't know how to get in touch with him.
He pops up and he pops up.
I haven't seen him in years.
I ask about him all the time and they just say, Bev, he's skinny.
His eyes bulge out of his head.
And this is my older brother.
And I did not understand my older brother until I went to prison.
When my brother was 12 years old, he came home and saw my mom crying.
Okay.
My mom's crying.
And of course, as a 12 year old son, you're like, mom, what's wrong?
My mom says, oh, we're about to, you know, our rent is due.
We're about to get kicked out.
Okay.
So my brother gets a sardon shotgun and he goes and he sticks someone up and robs them.
Okay.
He gives the money to my mom.
My mom then bails out her boyfriend and now my brother goes to jail and now in prison.
I realize now and I think you went there for the weekend so I don't even think you could relate to just sitting up in that prison like this.
But let me tell you this.
Could you imagine being in a juvenile detention center with all boys up to the age of 18?
No girls, raging hormones, young, violent, and you throw a 12 year old boy in something like that all because he tried to help his mom?
And that's that, if that could just give you a taste of how hard my childhood was, it really was God.
It's a miracle that I'm a normal person talking to you today.
It's a miracle.
And how did that miracle come about, Bevlynn?
In other words, I think I first saw you when you were talking to some campus activists or someone on the street who was berating you about Joe Biden.
And I think you were talking to them about why Joe Biden and the Democrats were so bad for the black community.
And I think that's the first time we connected with each other.
At that time, you were already involved as a pro life activist and as a community activist trying to reform the black community.
How did you even get on that path?
Was it, was it, did you meet someone who introduced you to Christ?
How did all that happen?
So I actually found Christ in jail.
I was in jail and prison are two different things, just so you know.
Jail is like booking at the precinct.
Prison is like you got a number, ID number, all that.
So I was in jail and I was waiting on my dad to bail me out because at that time I was doing like illegal scamming for money, things like that.
And so while I was there, I met this woman that was there in jail.
And she told me about a night that I was depressed in the bathroom and I was crying out to God for help because I just felt so empty.
And she told me about that night and she told me I needed to surrender my life to Christ.
So I did.
So for a year, once I got out, I mean, I straightened up for a year.
I was just chilling.
I mean, I wasn't really Christian, Christian just yet, but I was not doing the things that I was doing before.
Fast money, just messing with, you know, drug dealers and in a mixy lifestyle.
I just kind of backed off and kind of went into a wilderness.
Then I met Edmay.
When I met Edmay, she was the one who charged me to read the Bible.
And I did not know that the Democrats were the Confederates.
I had no idea that they had fought to keep slavery.
Even though I went to school and I was privy to the war, I didn't know which side was on which side.
I didn't understand the Republican Party.
I didn't understand any of it.
I just thought I was a Democrat because I was black.
And she said, what are you?
A Democrat?
I said, yeah.
Why?
Because I'm black.
And she, she didn't scold me.
But she said, let me, let me teach you.
And so we would go out and we would do street ministry and we would talk to people and we would find most of these young men who are hanging on the corner looking for somebody to hurt.
They don't have a father in the house.
Their mother is on welfare.
They don't, they're not, and even when their mother's on welfare at home, they don't spend time with their kid.
They don't have a relate.
They're not going to PTA meetings with all that free time they get from them government checks.
No, they're at home with their boyfriend.
So these young men have idle time.
And we know when you have idle hands, you get into things you're not supposed to get into very quickly, right?
So it was like, I was looking at Democrat laws.
and the effect that they took on the black community.
And then I also started to see how they use black people to push a law to get it in, but then it's a whole nother narrative.
And I started to learn about communism.
And then I started to read the Bible and learn what the Bible says about communism versus what they want to do with communism.
And it all kind of just hit me like a sack of bricks.
Like, oh, this is a setup.
And then, of course, I watched Mafa 21.
And it just was like, okay.
This right here, this is evil.
What they're doing on the left, these liberal agendas and this thing is evil and it's ancient.
So it opened up my eyes.
And once I know the truth, the thing about me is you don't have to tell me the truth three or four times.
Once it hits here and I receive it, it makes sense and I'm going with it.
I mean the remarkable thing, Babylon, I mean I just remember the again coming back to the first time I heard you talking.
You were talking spontaneously to someone who had confronted you on the street and you had such a fiery eloquence to you that I was really taken aback because it looks like here you are and you're talking about very complex themes that go back in history.
You're talking about which side was on which side in the civil war, which side passed all the segregation statutes, the history of the Ku Klux Klan, the history of the civil rights movement.
I mean, there are people who get a PhD in the subject and they don't know what's going on.
They get sucked into and yet it looks like you were able to put these pieces in place, grasp the essence of it, not only grasp it, but communicate it.
I mean, you have a gift for being able to transmit information in a powerful and interesting way and do it even, not even necessarily, I mean, you do it quite spontaneously on the street.
And so that's what So you and did Edmund then become kind of your partner?
Not your partner in crime.ime, although I'm chuckling when I say that because later the government would go after you.
Now talk a little bit about that.
Talk about your activism.
Talk about the way in which they framed you in that case.
And then also talk a little bit about your pardon from Trump.
Right.
So the biggest thing for me, wall builders.
My best friend, she kind of ushered me into it, but I like history.
I really, I always liked it even in school.
I love social studies.
So I would definitely dig into wall builders a lot because I loved how they would paint the truth, like they would break narratives and it's just common sense you would hear something and be like oh that's what happened and the slave that oh that's why 12 years of slave was a movie so when you look at the the left and what they push in the cinema you and even if you watch roots if you watch roots roots kind of tells on itself they want to be so pro-black but they even exposed when a man went to go and vote and how the white men were going to hang them
for voting so who are these white men were they just some republicans that didn't want you to vote no they were democrats They didn't want you to vote.
That's why Ku Klux Klan existed.
So it helps to build the story together.
But now, when it came to the indictment and all of that, you know, I think you understand this more than anybody.
When you start opening that mouth and you start exposing things, you don't realize what you're doing in a sense of where it's headed.
And it will blow your mind how much these people will watch you because they don't want the truth to get out.
They want to control the narrative.
And these Democrats, they're different.
They're different.
They will watch you.
did not realize me being in front of that abortion clinic was causing a ruckus, but everything kind of, the spotlight was placed on us with COVID.
COVID kind of put us on Sprint Street because they.
shut down everything.
So all you could do was be home and watch and see, wait a minute, I can't work with abortion clinics open, right?
And so it was like opening up this Pandora's box.
They kind of exposed themselves.
They used COVID to take Trump out.
But if anything, they kind of opened up Pandora's box to expose their agenda and the things that they were doing, right?
And so long story short, Roe versus Wade is overturned.
Okay.
They have been watching me.
FBI have been watching me.
I find this out through the transcripts and the papers that I got once I was indicted.
Once Roe versus Wade was overturned, they started in the Biden administration, they started to do a roundup.
They were rounding up all these conservatives, they didn't care that they were 75, 80 years old.
They was throwing them in jail and it was left and right.
I'm hearing my friends' doors are getting kicked in, pastor friends I know from Operation Save America, doors getting kicked in.
And my husband is just like, babe, I feel it like.
By the end of the year, I'm indicted.
And the only thing that saved me from my door getting kicked in was because I had gone favor with the FBI agent who would come and visit me based off of January 6th and me being there.
So, I mean, from then on, they had the ball rolling.
They just, they, they, oh man, the movie exposes how I didn't have a fair jury, how most of the jury people's selection were all pro-choice and pro Pro Planned Parenthood, how people knew Flip Benham, and how the judge, the judge was so cruel, the judge was so ruthless to me, and I'm going to give you an extra T. I found out because they're investigating the case, they submitted my sentence to the judge a year before I even went to trial.
It was a lynching.
Wow, that's a Beverly, I can't wait to watch this movie.
And you mentioned at the beginning the short form website for people who want to watch it, where do they go?
Tell us the website and we'll find out.
Pardon me.com, go stream it and also churches are streaming it.
So you can find a church near you that's screening it or stream it at home.
watchpardonme.com.
Guys, I've been talking to Bevlyn Beatty Williams.
Follow our next, misses Bevlyn W. Bevlyn, it's a great pleasure.
Thanks so much for coming on.
I'm in the section of my book, How An Ordinary Man Became an Extraordinary Leader, where I'm talking about Reagan's personality and the elements of his personality that made him the leader that he was.
And some of these elements are surprising or counterintuitive, even paradoxical.
It's not clear how someone with this kind of personality would be all that effective.
Case in point I talk about the fact that Reagan was a kind of a doodler.
Now what I mean by that is that when meetings are going on you'll notice that Reagan is seemingly distracted.
He's drawing on a piece of paper.
One time Ed Mis told me Ed Mis was the chief of staff and then he was made head of the Justice Department, but he goes, I would look at these Reagan doodles and he'd be drawing like cowboy hats or horses, or he'd sometimes sketch the people in the room that he was sitting with.
And it appeared like Reagan was not paying attention.
Another Reagan habit was in the middle of a meeting, he would be, he would reach over for the big jar of jelly beans and slide them over to himself and then start like picking out his favorite colors.
I noticed him doing this once and I was really shocked.
I was standing in the back of the room.
It was one of those meetings in the Roosevelt room or one of those rooms with about twelve people around the desk, and Reagan again appeared to subtract himself from what was going on.
In the case of my observation, he wasn't just picking out his favorite colors, he pulled out a whole handful of jelly beans and was sorting them into piles by color.
Now, the appearance here is that Reagan is distracted, he's not part of the meeting, he's not paying attention, but then suddenly he would jump in with a penetrating observation or even a witticism or a comment.
comment and you realize he actually is following what's going on.
It's just that this is kind of his way of not getting submerged into the details.
Sometimes details that were either didn't matter or were not his province.
Someone else's job is to figure it out.
It's kind of like if I'm trying to get a house built and I'm the architect, I don't need to choose paint colors.
I don't need to figure out whether this kind of beam or that kind of beam, particularly if I've got a guy who works on beams, or I've got a painter right here, I'm like, okay, listen, you figure out the color and I keep my eye on the larger picture of the structure of the building, other issues that I have to deal with, and so on.
Now, Reagan was very punctual, punctilious, which kind of means disciplined.
He was a man who was always on time.
Chief of Staff, Don Regan, Regan succeeded at Misa's Chief of Staff said, I've never known Reagan to be late.
I've never known him to change a time or cancel an appointment.
Reagan was he would come in, he would be he would look over his schedule and he would just carry it out point by point and in a very disciplined way.
Reagan, on the other hand, was not a late night type of guy, which may seem odd for a Hollywood guy, but even though he was a Hollywood guy, precisely because he had had his share of all that, by the time he came to the White House, he was he liked to quit early.
And so he would often skip out on social events in the evening and he would turn in early.
Nancy and Reagan would have an like to read a Tom Clancy novel or he would look through a book about horses, something that was just interesting to him, and he would quit before it got too late.
Reagan himself was asked about this and he kind of joked.
He goes, Hey, you know, when you're faced with two temptations, always choose the one that will get you home by nine thirty.
So it's Reagan's way of saying, you're actually going to live a healthier life and a longer life if you go to bed early and get going early.
And for Reagan, it was not all that early.
He thought sleep was actually pretty important.
I want to talk now about the assassination attempt on Reagan so eerily parallel to the later assassination attempt or maybe attempts is the right word on Trump.
And I think in both cases it's a window into their character.
The assassination attempt is important, I think, in Reagan's case, and also, by the way, in Trump's, because public figures always have some sort of a mask.
And by that I mean they're they project a public image.
And we always want to know what's behind the mask, like how is that guy really?
What is his true personality?
How do we get a glimpse into the essence of the man?
And assassination attempts, although they were hardly to be recommended for this purpose, they do show you the essence of a man.
And they do that, of course, especially when they don't succeed because you're able to see how the person reacted under those conditions.
In Hinckley's case, he took a shot at Reagan.
And unlike with Trump, where the shot grazed his ear and missed, here he got him.
He got Reagan.
And in fact, was very close to killing Reagan.
And now we find that Reagan in dealing with this remarkable episode very early by the way in his presidency.
In Trump's case, we're talking about assassination attempts that were between the first term and the second term.
So Trump had already been in for four years and then out of office for four years and then before coming back or right after coming back for the next four years.
But with Reagan, you have a situation where he's just in.
And this was almost an effort to shut him down before he got going.
Now look at his reaction and not just a lot of people.
know that he walked into the hospital room and said something to the effect of please tell me you are all Republicans.
Very Reaganite statement combines his geniality with a little bit of he's being half serious.
And it's important to understand both the humorous side of it but also the serious side of it.
The serious side of it is that Reagan knew there were a lot of leftists who wouldn't mind if that assassination attempt succeeded.
Now the venom is even more with Trump, but the sentiment, partly because of Trump, is totally understandable even today.
Reagan also famously said to Nancy Reagan when she's like, How did this happen?
Kind of a strange question.
But Reagan goes, Honey, I forgot to duck.
And this was by the way, this was not something that Reagan came up with.
The boxer Jack Dempsey, when he lost the heavyweight title to Gene Tunney in nineteen twenty six, famously said, Honey, I forgot to duck, meaning that's how I got punched in the face, that's how I went down.
But Reagan continued in this vein for many months later.
He told his daughter Reagan Maureen.
that one of the reasons he was really upset at Hinkley is because Hinkley had ruined one of his favorite suits.
He's like, that suit's not going to work anymore.
It's now like, I've got to get a new one.
And a little bit later, when Reagan was speaking months later, he's now recovered at an event, and a reporter asked him, hey, are you afraid to be going out in public again?
And he goes, Oh no, he goes, but I will tell you, I am wearing my oldest suit.
Say this is a continuation of that same joke, as if to say, hey, if somebody else takes a shot at me, you know what?
I'm not going to ruin another nice suit.
I'm wearing an old one this time.
Reagan responded at a more serious level very much like Trump.
Now, first of all, someone might wonder why someone would make jokes about an assassination attempt.
And I will say that I think for Reagan, it was not so much his way of trying to quote heal.
People said, Well, you know, maybe he needed the humor to heal.
I think it's probably more accurate to say that Reagan thought that the country needed to heal, which is to say he thought the country needed to ease up.
He didn't want to have that kind of febrile or feverish atmosphere that was there in the world country, by the way, following the JFK assassination, even the Martin Luther King assassination.
Reagan's point is, look, this was a nut case.
Let's get over it.
Let's get on with the job of running the country.
But he also did have this sense of mortality and mission following the assassination attempt.
And this reminds me very much of Trump.
Trump began to speak in a more sort of theological note after that, that God has saved him for a purpose.
And Reagan himself said something very similar.
I have decided that whatever time I have left is for him.
That's Reagan.
Mother Teresa came to visit Reagan in June of that year.
So I'm assuming we're talking about nineteen eighty one.
And she says this to Reagan, a very remarkable and profound statement, and it left Reagan quite speechless.
In fact, very rare that Reagan doesn't know what to say, but this was a case where that happened.
Here's Mother Teresa.
She says to Reagan, You have suffered the passion of the cross and have received grace.
There is a purpose to this because of your suffering and pain.
of the world.
This has happened to you at this time because your country and the world need you.
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