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A WORLD WITHOUT PEOPLE Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1056
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Coming up, Debbie and I are here for our Friday Roundup.
Bill Gates says AI will replace doctors, teachers within 10 years and claims humans won't be needed for most things.
We're going to discuss the impact, the potential impact of AI and how it's transforming our society.
We're also going to talk about how NPR can be defunded, how Disney movies lost the plot and how Trendy Aragua, the left's favorite new victims, is giving the Venezuelan people America
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Debbie and I are here for our Friday roundup and honey it happens to coincide with us now in our 10th year of marriage.
In fact we did our 9th anniversary getaway.
Although you reminded me this was really our 10th getaway because we had our honeymoon.
So when you count starting there...
I said it was our it was our 10th honeymoon.
And we went to a new destination which was in the Caribbean.
Grand Cayman.
And we loved it.
Yeah. Oh my gosh.
I loved it.
I loved it.
Well, you're a tropical girl.
You like Hawaii.
We have a favorite place we go to in Mexico, but I think in some ways Grand Cayman took the cake, as we say.
And it was, I think, not one thing, but it was really a complex of factors.
So number one, you know, if you're going from Texas to Hawaii, it's like nine hours, because you got to go to California, you fly another...
It's probably more like 11 hours when it's all said and done.
So it's like going to Europe.
Yeah, it is.
Now, our Mexico spot is about two hours away, but...
45-minute drive.
45-minute drive when you get there.
And it's Mexico, so it's a little bit more complex to navigate your way.
But Grand Cayman is a British island.
I think one of the things you liked about it is you like that very British...
Formality. Formality, right?
Everything is kind of done properly.
And it's funny because you see, you know, I don't mean this in a bad way, but I mean, you have all these Caribbean islands, right?
And you have all these Caribbean guys, hey man, you've got an amazing ton, and so on.
But what I'm getting at is these British guys, they all speak with an English accent.
So it's...
It's almost like a transplanted part of London in the Caribbean.
The proximity from the airport to the hotel was great.
It was like 10 minutes, 15 minutes max.
And then Just the cleanliness of the city because I've been to Caribbean islands and I can tell you most of them are kind of dirty, you know, the water's not exactly clean.
Well the islands are, you know, they're close to each other so people are motorboating here to there and they're throwing stuff in the water whereas Grand Cayman is kind of By itself.
It's got that seven-mile beach, which is fantastic.
And it's also a little unusual.
Both of us, we got in the ocean more than once.
Well, I swore that I would never get in the water in the ocean ever again because of all the shark, you know, attacks that are happening.
Not to mention all kinds of other creatures, sea creatures.
Yeah! And then, of course, Juliana's like, make sure that you don't, you know, like step, that you kind of shuffle because of the sting rays.
And I was like, oh my gosh!
But it just so happens that the water is so clear, it's like a swimming pool.
You can see right through to your feet.
You can see to the ground.
Very, very clear, very clean, beautiful color, aquamarine.
Well, the other thing I have to add, because us, the two of us being foodies, is really good food.
Oh my gosh, yes.
And in fact, we should recommend, there is a Famous chef Eric Ruppert and he's got a he's got a michelin-starred restaurant in New York called La Bernardin.
It's a seafood restaurant But he has a restaurant called Blue in Grand Cayman and that was kind of a fitting name because the water is blue.
That's probably where you got the idea.
That was kind of the memorable last day that we had a great time.
Yes, and I have to say I hadn't had sugar in in over two years.
Well, when you get a famous French chef doing dessert, it's a little hard to say no.
Yeah, but the only thing about that dessert was it was very small.
The portion was quite small.
I couldn't say no.
I usually say no, but I just couldn't.
I was a little surprised you didn't say that because you have such iron will on these things.
I know, but I was like, the heck with it.
But notice, I mean, when you go to France, you just don't see a lot of 300-pounders.
In fact, you don't see any 200-pounders either because the French eat very rich food, but they eat in small quantities and they walk a lot.
And we did.
We actually did a morning walk really before the sun went out.
Although it's so warm there that I mean, I think I got a couple of shades of darker in just four days.
Yeah. But it definitely was a very memorable and fun trip.
Yeah, I think so.
It's one of those trips that I just I want to do it again.
I want to do it again.
And I love the tropics.
I love the weather.
You know, when we went to Punta Mida, in January.
It was a little chilly, even for me.
It was in the low 70s, but the wind was very, very chilly and, you know, a little downright cold, I thought.
Yeah, I think most people have a kind of a sweet spot between about 68 and 72. If you ask people, what's the ideal weather?
They would basically say San Diego weather.
But I remember when you would visit me in San Diego, when we were courting, You would say it's I'd always hear you say it's a little chilly.
It's too cold here get my sweater I need to get my jacket.
I always wear a sweater in San Diego.
I never didn't
go The problem is when it gets that hot here, where we live, is that it usually brings on a lot of rain.
It does.
It produces a lot of rain and it's very humid, and so it's not so nice.
But pure sunshine at 94?
I'm fine, you know?
Absolutely. Let's talk about, you know, we often zoom into the political topics of the day, and we'll do some of that today, but We also wanted to talk about a broader topic, and that's AI, artificial intelligence.
And our trigger for doing it is this article in the New York Post.
It has a kind of a startling headline.
Bill Gates says AI will replace Doctors, teachers, within 10 years, and claims humans won't be needed, quote, for most things.
And I said, oh, that's Bill Gates' dream come true.
He's been wanting to get rid of people for a long time.
So you think this is like, this is consistent with his anti-human eugenics?
Yeah! Let's reduce the population of the world.
I mean, this is, it is admittedly the unifying theme between Warren Buffett and Bill Gates.
Isn't it ironic?
These two guys, and they're quite different, in fact they're not even from the same generation, and yet they converge on the issue that the earth has too many people.
Now, I think it is interesting that against this we have Elon Musk, who is constantly saying, He needs to populate.
And he's participating in a big way.
He is actively trying to repopulate the earth, it seems.
Single-handedly.
Single-handedly.
That's right.
Spreading his genes at a level not seen since Genghis Khan.
Right? All right.
So let's talk about Gates here, because even though I agree that this is a strange man, I don't think that he's wrong here.
And what I mean by that is, I've only gotten a glimpse of this new AI.
And by the way, what I like on X is they've got an artificial intelligence called Grok.
G-R-O-K.
You can download it and you can start using it.
And in fact, I see a lot of people on X making the comment, we don't have to use Google anymore.
Think how great this is.
We definitely want to.
Until now, we've had no alternative to Google.
Let's Google it.
So when you're searching for information, it's Google.
But Grok is better because not only does it do the search that Google does, but it is almost like handing over the information to a highly intelligent research assistant that will analyze it for you.
They don't just say, hey, here's a website or here's 10 websites all ranked in the order that we choose, which is Google.
Rather, Grok will give you almost like a little bit of a legal summary, a position paper on what you said.
You can put a book proposal in there and get a critique.
So this is AI.
And I think, so I think AI is something very big.
It's almost like, In earlier decades, we had an age of automation, and that hasn't stopped, right?
We still see now the new generation of automation are these kind of life-size robots.
And these robots will, they will cut crops.
I saw a short video of a robot inside a BMW plant, and it was doing a car assembly.
A robot, right?
So you've got automation continues, but automation threatens the people who work.
How would you feel about automation, AI automation on airplane parts?
Would that make you feel more confident than the DEI is making us feel?
Odd though it is to say, I would say yes.
Yes? Yes, because think of it this way.
What are you more confident in right now?
A pilot, and certainly with DEI in the back, a DEI pilot landing a plane or the autopilot doing it?
Well, isn't the autopilot the same thing?
kind of thing.
The autopilot is the same thing.
Oh, DEI pilot.
Oh, I'm sorry.
A DEI life pilot.
Let's see, what was on the flight test the other day?
I didn't remember it all that well, you know.
Versus... A mechanized computer system which lands planes all the time, by the way.
And as far as I know, I mean think of it this way, how many shows have we watched where something goes wrong by pilot error?
A lot.
Usually a lot.
A lot.
And have you ever seen, the only time I've seen something involve the autopilot error is when someone accidentally disengages the autopilot.
Right. Or the plane is given a bad instruction and then follows that instruction to the letter, but the instruction was bad.
So the human input even there is what caused the problem.
Now, I think what will startle many people is the fact that in a sense what we're getting is automation in the mental sphere.
Because all the people who are lawyers, doctors, all thought their jobs were safe because they thought, listen.
Yeah, you can have a tractor plow a field, but nobody can replace a doctor.
I still don't think that you can have an AI do an operation.
I still think that that requires a human being, and it always will.
It absolutely does not.
How? I'm not saying it doesn't require any human eyes on it, but a lot of times the human is going to be...
I mean, think of it.
On the operating room.
Opening up a person.
Going in there and putting in whatever, you know, stitching up the heart.
No, maybe so.
I'm not saying there's no human component, but I'm saying even now, think of it.
I had eye surgery a few years ago.
It was laser surgery.
Yes, but you had a doctor doing it.
I had a doctor doing it, but...
Wouldn't that be funny if a robot comes out?
Hello, Dinesh!
Right, it wasn't to that degree, right?
So AI, it's not a case where you swap one for the other, right?
Even when you have a car that's largely self-driving, we still sit in the driver's seat.
It would be a whole different thing if there was no one in the driver's seat.
If it was just all passengers.
An Uber that showed up with no live person in it.
In fact, you don't even have a robot.
The car is self-driving.
You just get in the back seat and it takes you where you want to go.
Now, that's coming.
Does that mean we won't have to tip?
It's kind of strange to tip the robot.
Or my robot will be suddenly tipping your robot.
No, because I've seen people talking about a financial world in which transactions are done device to device.
Oh my goodness.
So you can actually have a device have an account because it's sending money digitally.
So my robot can send money to your robot.
The whole thing is kind of dizzying in many ways.
Now, the question is, is it bad?
I mean, I think this is really, it certainly gives you anxiety, but that anxiety is, I think, the normal reaction to something completely new.
I'm sure people had this anxiety, in fact, I know they did, when cars showed up on the road.
I'm sure that farmers had this anxiety when you had- Tractors.
Right, or at least, right, the kind of mechanized agriculture that we have now.
And so, and yet, and here's where Bill Gates is going, and this is the part I think that's worth thinking about.
What happens if most, if not all, not all, but most of the jobs kind of go away?
Well, as we, you know, we discussed this actually, and it would be a world without having to work.
And what kind of world would that be?
I know I know there are some people that would love that kind of world.
Well, you do!
Gen Zs.
Gen Zs.
Well, but I mean, you joke, you say...
I joke about Gen Zs.
I'm so sorry.
I have a daughter that's a Gen Z. But you joke also about being of the philosophy that every day is Friday.
Yes. So in other words, from an every day is Friday point of view, let's think about that.
But I don't act that way.
I just pretend that that is happening.
You don't act that way, but...
I work very hard.
Let's think it through, because let's ask this question.
Isn't it a fact that from the dawn of mankind, most people who have worked have done it out of necessity?
In other words, they didn't decide, work is really fun!
I'm gonna get up and I'm gonna...
Except if you're Donald Trump.
Except if you're Trump.
Except if you're Murdoch.
Except if you're Warren Buffett.
You say this is true of me, but...
But look, why would a guy like Murdoch, who is like 88, work?
It's got to be that he enjoys it, it's got to be that he prefers doing it to anything else.
There's a small number of jobs, I admit, mine included, that offer a lot of inherent satisfaction.
But that's not true of most jobs, I think it's fair to say, right?
It's fair to say.
You walk into a store, and you have someone behind the counter.
Are they really enjoying being there?
They might enjoy, you know, chatting with people, but they're there out of necessity.
And the proof of it is stop paying them and see if they show up.
They won't show up.
So it has to be that if we can create a system that produces a certain degree of abundance.
And I agree that you're looking at problems of boredom.
People will have to think about, what am I going to do with my day?
But I'm just saying, I'm rejecting the idea that this is automatically a bad thing.
I'm simply saying that human interests, human needs, human desires, human wants will migrate to to something else.
So do you think college will become null and void?
I mean will people stop needing to go to college because there will be no career to to have after college and and therefore college is is no longer needed?
I think that would be actually in many ways a good thing.
Now to say that...
But what about learning?
Because... Oh right!
So And those two things should never be confused, because let's say, for example, that AI is producing the best teachers in the world, right?
Making knowledge widely available at no cost to anyone who wants it.
but has the gift of making it entertaining, can provide all kinds of visuals.
It's almost like watching a Shakespeare play.
Yes, that all sounds fine, but obviously it's going to cost you, right, to go to this university.
No. It's free?
What I'm saying is that in a world of AI, the cost of knowledge goes down to zero.
It goes down to zero because think about it.
The cost of digital information, of adding another bit of digital information, is almost zero.
Let's say Google has, you know, a billion people on Google, right?
And then over the next year it becomes two billion.
What is the added cost to Google?
Zero. Because they've already got Google, they've got the search engine.
If more and more people use the search engine, what is the added cost of adding one guy?
There's no cost.
So what I'm saying is that When we see this movement toward intelligence, which was...
intelligence has always been aristocratic.
By that I mean it's always been a few people who have it.
Typically in a class, think of it, if you grade people, you're separating out the A's, who are just a few people, from the B's, who are the majority, and then of course you've got the people at the bottom end.
But what if this knowledge becomes widely available through artificial intelligence?
Now, you know, we are getting dumber as a society.
Yes. And so there are going to be those people that are going to say, oh, you mean to tell me that I don't have to go to college because I don't have to get a job because I don't have to get a profession?
Are those people going to then go, I don't really want to learn I don't really care to learn.
I don't really want to go to a class online or otherwise.
And so we're going to have even more dumb people on the planet.
I mean, I'm just saying.
Well, that's very possible.
Well, what would happen is that, see, right now we have a trade-off, right?
Most people spend most of their day, in fact most of their life, either preparing for or working.
And And they work in order to buy leisure.
This goes right back to Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations.
Very simple, right?
We work so that we get the weekend, and then people get time to do what they want to do.
Now, do what they want to do doesn't mean that they do nothing, because they, you know, they go for a drive on Saturday, and then they do some chores around the house, and then they go to church on Sunday.
So they're doing things, they're just not working.
Now imagine that they didn't have to do Imagine that the Friday really is Monday.
So in other words, every day is Friday, right?
The question then becomes, people will now be able to do a lot more of what they want to do, but there is no guarantee that they will want to do impressive things, right?
I mean, you might have all kinds of...
Can you imagine?
Oh, I'm just gonna watch TV all day.
I'm gonna sit on the couch, Put my legs up and watch all the talk shows, all the soap operas, everything, you know, everything else, and just become a slug.
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The people who do that now might be saying, and this is not unreasonable, they could say, listen, I knock myself out, you know, six days a week or five days a week.
I'm exhausted on the weekend.
I don't want to be bothered.
I just want to sit on the couch, eat pizza, watch football.
Right? My question is, would that person do that?
If it was, if they didn't have to do that job, if they didn't, if they weren't driving a truck all week and then go, oh, I'm pooped.
I need to kick back.
So they wouldn't be tired.
They wouldn't want to.
So unwinding would take a whole new meaning.
Yeah. You could actually do things like, for example, you could, you could travel, right?
And you wouldn't be restricted.
You could travel for weeks on end and learn.
You're starting to sound like AOC.
Well, it is in some ways.
Well, I mean, coming back to the, You know, Marx's dream.
Yeah, exactly.
That's where I'm getting at.
Marx's dream was that you should be able to work in the...
Marx didn't think that there would be a society where work would be abolished.
He never did.
He thought you would work in the morning, like fish in the afternoon for fun, go out to dinner.
So I think what Marx was talking about is taking the abundance that he thought was stolen by the capitalists and and give the worker a better life.
But what I'm saying is that free market capitalism and modern technology are delivering one better on Marx because even Marx never thought we could get...
Mark's always thought there's going to be dirty work to be done.
And what we're saying is that a lot of the dirty work, because all the fun work you can still do.
No one is saying that you don't have to use AI, right?
So for example, let's say, for instance, you can learn something by just getting an AI Right. Or you can learn something by reading a book.
You might decide, listen, I don't want someone to recite to me the ingredients of Western philosophy.
I actually want to read Plato's Republic.
I want to spend time inside that book and think it through for myself.
And then I might get into a conversation with AI about it.
Which think about it right now you read a book or I read a book and You're hard-pressed to find somebody else who's read the same book and can have a conversation with you about it Whereas with AI you now have an interlocutor so you don't so you won't need a book club You just have a AI club.
Yeah, and you know, I Yeah, I don't know.
I'm having a hard time with this because I do believe that a world with internet and social media has become less tolerant and more divisive, and I feel like this will take it to a whole new level, when you don't really have to interact with people anymore about anything, really.
Well, what you say is true, because, you know, contrast to people who disagree strongly.
Normally, if they're in person, At least under normal circumstances.
They're going to somewhat moderate the extremism of their views.
They're going to say things like, you may not agree with me on this, but...
or let me be honest and say this.
Whereas if you're posting on social media, You don't need any of that, those niceties, right?
You don't need any preface.
You just unload.
Yeah, sometimes even with people, there's no such thing as niceties.
Right. But yeah, I'm just not sure that that world, exciting though it may be, is good for a person, is good for a soul.
I just don't know about that.
I don't think it is ideal either, but let me say this, that, you know, when I look at the harshness that you do see expressed, let's just say on the X platform right now, it's harsh, but the old X was more sanitized, but it was heavily censored, right?
And so the...
You're talking about the X between 20 20 and 2024.
I'm talking about Elon Musk's ex versus the old regime of Twitter.
Because I do remember a time on Twitter.
I first started on Twitter in 2009.
So between 2009 and I would say 2015-ish, I was able to express my views and say whatever I wanted.
In fact, I told you that I was under a little bit of an incognito mode, and I went Crazy.
Really crazy.
And I wasn't censored at all.
My tweets came out, I had lots of views, I had lots of likes.
So you're saying there really are three phases of Twitter.
There was the old Wild West Twitter, then there was the censored Trump Twitter.
When Trump came on, they were like, ooh, Trump supporter, I don't think so.
Plus Trump, right?
They did censor even Trump in that time period.
And then there was a time when I told you I lost about 30,000 followers on X the day after January 6th.
So January 7th, 2021, I had 30,000 less and I have the same amount today.
My X has grown enormously, but yours has been frozen.
And so what you're saying, and others as well, that some of the censorship algorithms still seem to be in place.
They are.
I don't know if it's the case that the new Elon Musk regime has not uncovered them all or what's going on, but that is definitely the case.
Let's talk about, let's change topics here a little bit.
Well, one final thought on the AI front before we pass on is this.
I think with some of these things, the power of the new technology is such that whether you think it's good or not, it's hard to see it being resisted.
Right? Think of the internet.
You could sit before that and go, well, I don't think the internet's good for society.
Well, whether you do or not...
It happened.
It's going to happen.
Right. I don't think it's good for people to have these phones that they can walk around with, that double as a camera.
Well, the truth of it is...
Like the woman on the floaty.
In the ocean.
She was on her phone.
Right in the Caribbean Sea.
She was like on a floatie on the phone.
I thought, this is too much.
But it shows that, see, for her, she couldn't be without her phone.
Even on a plastic float up device floating on the ocean.
Remember when we went for a walk, we saw a couple walking and he was on a business meeting and the wife was rolling her eyes like, really?
It was such a sight.
And then you noticed him, he was basically talking into the phone and saying, I'm just checking in.
And you're like, you're on a beach.
Why are you checking?
Is this really necessary?
And the answer is, yeah.
Now talk about a guy for whom work.
He does not unplug.
And probably enjoys his work.
It's not that he enjoys the work, he probably enjoys the status.
He enjoys the sense of kind of combat and competition.
He's probably the boss and so he thinks it's great to be barking out orders to other people.
All right, let's talk about, I don't know, you want to talk about NPR?
Yeah, let's do it.
NPR. We've gotten so many comments on Brandon Gill's cross-examination of Catherine Marr, the head of NPR, and I think for the first time there is a chance that NPR will be defunded.
This idea has been around for...
But nobody defunds them.
And the reason is that NPR is very clever at maintaining good relations with moderate Republicans.
And so when it comes time to defund them, the moderate Republicans will say, well, my wife listens to NPR every day, or my kids need Sesame Street.
They've got enough going for them.
Kind of like Disney.
It's difficult to mobilize people who are not political against Disney because they just have this idea, well, You know, Cinderella, Snow White, really?
So Disney plays on that, and so they can push all kinds of promotions.
And you know what?
Growing up, when I came to this country and I was trying to learn English, I watched a good bit amount of PBS.
They had some children's shows that were kind of funny, and they were good in that I got to listen a lot to dialogue, and I learned a lot.
But PBS also is a good mechanism for indoctrination.
Oh, yeah.
And so, look, they can be around.
It's not that we don't want them to be around.
They can exist.
It's the taxpayer money going toward something that is indoctrinating on one side.
I mean, it's very simple.
Actually, Bill Maher, of all people, made this point.
He goes, listen, you know, if you have a unified society, somewhat like Finland, where the political differences are very muted, you can have a public radio, public television that kind of reflects the consensus of the society.
But he goes, how can you have a society in which power is passing between Republicans and Democrats, and you've got a public It's a publicly funded institution that is intrinsically, not 60-40, 99-1 or 100-0.
And far left.
Far left.
Far, far left.
Yeah, this is intolerable.
This cannot stand.
And so I think it is imperative.
Look, I'm glad we've taken over.
Trump has taken over the Kennedy Center.
NPR and PBS have been a thorn in our side for decades and just spiking those balls.
And Brandon, the questions he was asking, like, you know, do you really, and he was putting it back on her, you know, do you really think this is a good, you know, a good spend for our tax dollars?
Do you really think we need to spend this and that on our tax dollars?
And, you know, she was, obviously her views, like, you know, she said something about being embarrassed that she was white.
Well, her views are reflected on NPR.
Completely. They are.
Well, I mean, that's how she became the CEO.
Right. She is in tune with, she sings from that sheet music.
That's right.
Now she tried to mute it in the conversation with Brandon.
I think the good thing that Brandon did was, and this is different than a lot of Republicans, typically a Republican says, I've got five minutes of time, right?
And so I'm going to give a thunderous speech.
Right. And so I ask a question, but just when the person starts to answer, I interrupt.
I say, I take back my time and I just keep talking for five minutes.
Right. And Brandon didn't do that.
No. It was more of a sort of a surgical...
Well, it was a little bit like being a prosecutor.
Right. And cross-examining a witness.
Cross-examination. In which very often the most important thing, I find this to be true when I do debates...
is to listen to what the other person is saying.
And that's so rare.
If you're in the media, even lawyers, they don't listen.
They just go to the next question.
Whereas what Brandon does is, like, she would say something, this was my favorite, but Brandon goes, he quotes her in favor of reparations.
And then she, to throw him off, goes, well, I don't support fiscal reparations.
And normally, you know, a clumsy interlocutor would have been like, let's talk now about something else.
But Brandon's like, well, what kind of reparations do you support?
What other kind are there?
Do you specify?
And then she was not prepared for that.
So then she was like, well, I just think we should be honoring our ancestors, which was so transparently duplicitous and hokey that I don't think she looked good.
She looked bad.
And he looked good.
And he looked good.
And I hope that this is an impetus to really get that place shut down.
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It's D-I-N-E-S-H Dinesh.
Disney. Disney is facing perhaps the biggest bomb in its, certainly You like my snow white outfit?
I'm looking at this, I'm like, oh I think I'm trying to dress like snow white.
Snow white outfit.
Listen, here's the thing.
Disney has introduced some new types of films and they haven't done well.
True. But Disney became Disney based on a handful of major brands, right?
Cinderella. Snow White.
There are a few others like that.
Hansel and Gretel.
Hansel and Gretel, The Little Red Riding Hood.
There are these classic Grimm's tales and other tales.
And to bomb on Snow White is not the same as bombing on, you know, some Someone that you haven't heard of.
Yeah, or even Mulan.
Mulan was very successful, but my point is, if you bomb on Mulan, it's not the same as bombing on Cinderella or Snow White, especially since those movies made Disney.
That's right.
And I made the point earlier this week where I said that, you know, people are blaming Rachel Zegler.
She's an extremely annoying lead.
She's Snow White.
And she always In all her interviews, she's so self-absorbed.
She says things like, you know, I had to put on my Snow White dress and stand there for hours.
Everybody who streams this movie needs to be paying me.
Think about that.
Who would say that?
Who would say that, right?
So she's a very objectionable individual.
It's all about her.
Yes. But I also think it is a little unfair to blame her exclusively for Snow White bombing.
Why? The script.
Who wrote the plot?
Yeah. Who decided to get rid of the dwarves?
Who decided not to have really a normal Prince Charming story?
So what is the story about?
I mean, what is it about?
If it's not about the dwarves, it's not about the love story, then what happens?
It's about the whole community coming together.
It's like it's winter woke-ification rewrite of...
Look, I mean, I'm not going to watch this film, right?
So I'm not going to give you the detailed blow-by-blow.
The moment I saw that they have taken the film, see they've taken everything in the film that they see in their own demented way.
As a problem.
Right. So Prince and Princess, that's a problem.
Princess eats apple and collapses until kissed by Prince, major problem.
Major problem.
Dwarves, You're getting into sensitive territory.
The dwarves having defined characteristics, sleepy and so on.
And dopey.
Dopey. Oh yeah, no.
Can't go there.
So then what you get is basically, you know, a whole bunch of riders coming in, you know, plugging in their butt plugs and giving a whoop.
What? I'm just talking about the composition process of giving us the whoop.
version. OMG.
And I'm saying that's what destroyed the movie.
Rachel Zegler, she's like Catherine Marr at NPR in that they brought her in because she was as woke as the rest of them.
Right? But now they're acting like they are not woke, and she came in and destroyed the movie.
I guess that's what I'm objecting to.
I'm saying it isn't her fault.
There's a little bit of blame to go around, right?
Because first of all, she's woke.
We know she's woke.
The studio's to blame.
It brought her in.
Yes. But she accepted, knowing that this was the case.
She was hired to be woke.
Does she sing?
I don't know if she sings.
That's really not the issue.
They're acting now like because she's a Palestinian activist, which no surprise she is.
That's part of the woke ideology.
So in a way, Rachel Zegler could say to them, what did you expect?
You weren't looking for somebody like Catherine Hepburn.
You wanted somebody like me.
You got it.
And now you're blaming me for destroying the movie.
Look, I'm not defending her.
I'm just saying there's a lot more blame to go around.
I hope that this model, this Disney model, I think is not going to work.
Yeah. Well, now that we have grandchildren, I mean, see, for a while, I didn't even know what was out there with Disney because our kids were grown.
They weren't watching Disney anymore.
We didn't care.
We could care less.
But now, It's starting to come full circle and our kids our grandkids are now gonna start wanting to watch Disney and wanting to you know Read those tales and all of those things so so that's gonna become important to us again So I mean I have to a full circle is the right way to put it because when I came to America at the age of 17 I was an exchange student for a year in Arizona at the end of that year.
We had a kind of exchange student mini sightseeing tour that began in It began in Colorado, Arizona, but it also went to Disneyland in California.
And I love Disney because I'd never seen anything like that.
In fact, I'd never seen an amusement park.
And so the experience of Disney circa like 1979, I was very wowed by it, even though I was a little too old.
I mean, I was 17. But nevertheless, I just found the whole thing just so charming.
Kid at heart.
It was just Americana, you know?
And I even liked Space Mountain.
I like Bear Country.
So I was a fan of Disney.
It's a small world after all.
It's a small world.
It was hilarious.
So the whole thing just made you chuckle from start to finish.
And at the end of the day, you were just like, wow, that is just so funny and entertaining and wholesome and good music.
And of course, very clean.
And of course, it's a fun day out.
And then to see Disney take this kind of twisted, nasty turn?
Well, you know, like you, I went to Disneyland when I was like four.
You know, we came to visit my grandparents from Venezuela.
We went to California and I went to Disneyland.
And so I have fond memories of Disneyland at that age.
And then when I was 10, I went to Disney World in Orlando and loved that.
But then when my kids were little, we went as a family and I told you that my poor children were so embarrassed because we went to this, it was like the wall of presidents, right?
And they had the animatronics, all of the presidents.
It was incredible.
But then they had Barack Obama.
Was he the last one?
Yeah, and I booed him.
And my children were so embarrassed.
They were like, Oh, no, mom, you didn't just do that.
And, and so, you know, I think that's when they started getting a little bit on the, you know, we're gonna kind of not that not that Obama wasn't the president, but I'm just saying that they, they I think they, you know, They did that kind of on purpose.
Well, they did.
That was the creeping of the political.
The other thing is, is when Danielle was very little, we were at Disney one time, and I remember, it was kind of toward the evening, so it might have been winding down a little bit, and you know when you step away from some of the rides, I happened to see, you know, Goofy.
uh walking ahead of me and then leaning up against one of the buildings and what does he do?
He reaches and pulls out pulls off his the top part of his goofy um a mask and then he lights a cigarette, right?
Oh yeah!
Yeah and so and and he had this very cynical perverted look You know, he looked like...
essentially, Goofy was transformed before my eyes, right?
And it's almost like I saw the old Disney and the new Disney in one snapshot, right?
I saw the old Disney, which is Goofy, and then I see this perverted man...
The not-so-goofy.
Right. Just with a cynical look.
And his cynical look told me everything.
It was kind of like, I'm supposed to play this dumb role from morning to night.
Yeah. Here, give me a break.
Let me have a cigarette and return to the real world before I have to put this stupid, goofy costume back on.
And at the time, of course, I didn't think of this ideologically in any way.
I was just like, oh, wow, there's...
There's goo...
Oops, not so much.
You know what it's like?
It's like going into the back It's like taking a very fine restaurant and going into the kitchen, where you basically see everything's a mess, all these big ovens and smoke.
Or how about this one, when you find out Santa's not...
You know, who we thought he was.
Okay, let's turn to, we want to talk about Venezuela, because you were telling me that, because you are part of a group of Venezuelans who are on Facebook, and Talk about the latest kind of vibe.
Well, this was actually a post that you did on Instagram, and a lot of these Venezuelans that chimed in, I did not know.
They were not part of my group.
But they were like, Debbie, please talk about the fact that all Venezuelans are not bad people.
Apparently, because of this Tren de Aragua, these gangsters, you know, Tren de Aragua, they're giving Venezuelans a bad name.
Please do something about it.
Please, you know, talk about the fact that most Venezuelans, the majority of us, are Trump supporters, capitalists, hard workers, you know.
I mean, really.
And I said, listen, I know.
I'm one of them.
I definitely don't want to be compared to Tren de Aragua.
I mean, that's ridiculous.
Any more than, and I told you, it would be like an American being compared to an Antifa person.
You know, like, oh, you must be like them because you're American and all of the Americans are like these guys.
Right. No!
Antifa, that group of people, is a very small portion of the population and they're very bad people.
They shouldn't be compared with the rest of us.
I mean, look at who the great defenders, right now, of Tren de Aragua are.
Are not the Venezuelans.
I never see a Venezuelan going, Tren de Aragua is amazing!
No, it's the left.
No, Tren de Aragua is embarrassing!
Right, so the Venezuelans know that Tren de Aragua is horrible, just like the Mexicans know that MS-13 is horrible.
No, that's Salvadorian.
That is a Salvadorian gang.
Now, there are elements of Mex...
And there is the Mexican mafia, of course.
Yes, and Tren de Aragua, I mean, Tren de Aragua, MS-13, horrible.
is mostly made up of El Salvadorians, from El Salvador, but there are Mexicans and Guatemalans and, you know, from other Central American countries.
So it's become a kind of transnational.
Yeah, kind of.
It is a transnational, but the majority are from El Salvador, and that's why when they go home to Bukele, they're going home, because that's their home.
Bukele made a telling remark when he said, look, He was talking about Mexico.
And he said, everyone tells me that you've got these criminal gangs and they're so big and they're so powerful.
He goes, in no country in the world.
Is there any gang in existence that is more powerful than that country?
And he goes, for the simple reason that that country has the military, right?
So he goes, and so, it doesn't make any sense for any country to say, we have been overtaken by gangs.
He goes, there is really only one way for a country to be overtaken by gangs, and that is for the politicians and leaders of that country to be part of the gang.
That's right.
And that's what's happened in Mexico.
That's right.
The regime doesn't get rid of the cartels because the cartels are in the government, which is to say they own part of the government.
The government is getting benefits.
And law enforcement.
And law enforcement has been penetrated, corrupted.
So Bukele's point is that if a country wants to get rid of gangs, there is a way to do it, and he's proven that he knows how to do it.
Yeah, clean up your government.
Yeah, clean up your government.
But anyway, back to the Venezuelan and the Tren de Aragua.
So the video that you posted on Instagram was a video of these Venezuelans on a plane going back to Venezuela, and they were not Tren de Aragua members.
They were just thugs.
And I said, these are the worst of the worst of society, that society has to offer.
You were one of the first people to They were actually fleeing what socialism promised them and didn't get.
So they were coming to America because word on the street was that they were going to get all those goodies that they didn't get in Venezuela.
So they were like, oh, Biden's going to give me a car.
He's going to give me a house.
What's not to like?
Let's go.
Let's go through the Darien jungle.
Who cares what happens there?
As long as we get to America, we're good.
So these people were really the bottom of the barrel of Venezuela.
They were not the hardworking people where their livelihood was destroyed.
That's another show and obviously my family is part of that group of people.
I mean that group of people it looks like broke into two.
Yes. In other words there were business people They were Jewish merchants.
There were some people who had the means and the ability to get out of Venezuela, and they got out early.
Yes. And they fled.
And they have set up in Miami.
You see them in Florida.
They're a very successful Venezuelan community.
They have helped deliver Florida to Trump.
That's right.
And then you've got a second group of people who were fooled by Chavez, and perhaps even by Maduro, or they are not, like your aunt, they're not in a position to get up and leave.
They're too old to leave.
Where would they go?
Where would they live?
What would they do?
My grandparents were, they were the the holdouts.
They were like, oh things will get better, things will get better, and then they passed away.
You know, unfortunately.
But they saw that they didn't get better.
They saw that they did not get better, and they were horrified by what happened.
And then I have like a cousin that, you know, I'm really trying very hard to help, but he may fall prey to the fact that, you know what, the Venezuelans have kind of That have come illegally have kind of given all the other Venezuelans a bad name,
right? And so we're having to deal with that issue, you know Which is unfortunate, you know with the with Indians not to the same degree because of course you're not talking about trendy Aragua But what's happened is you have abuses in like the h-1b program.
Mm-hmm And what happens is that you the abuses are not coming exclusively on the Indian side.
It's true you have these Indian suppliers and And what they do is that they create these, you know, we'll supply the labor that you need.
And then you've got these tech companies and software companies and sometimes not even tech companies.
And what they do is they act like there are no willing and employable Americans.
Why? Because they'd rather get an Indian guy that they can pay much less, not to mention the fact that that guy then has to work for this company because you've come on that visa.
You can't go anywhere else.
You're almost like beholden to that company.
So you've got this Unhealthy alliance, but my point is for Americans watching it from the outside you go these horrible Indians They're just they're gaming the system And so it gives Indians a bad name.
Yeah. No, I and I think that that is That's unfortunate, really, because there are a lot of really great Indian-Americans that have contributed a great deal to this country, and there are a lot of great Venezuelan-Americans.
Hello! I don't get it, because I've obviously been here since I'm 17. Most people who follow me know exactly my story, and so I'm not going to get Yeah.
Vivek. Vivek's a good guy, right?
And Vivek was born here.
So Vivek is more American than I am in that sense.
And yet, I see people, "Vivek, go home.
Deport Vivek." "Why is Vivek talking about H-1B?" Vivek is somebody who I think has broadened the debate in this country in a very good way, so I wish Vivek well.
And I hope he makes it, by the way, in his race for the Senate.
For the Senate?
You mean for governor?
For governor, sorry.
Trump has endorsed him in Ohio, and of course the election is next year.
Well, I hope that people, you know, don't be so, I guess don't be so cruel and judgmental about Different people that are here for different reasons.
Well, make valid distinctions.
Exactly. I think this is the key, is that you...
Yeah, the Tren de Aragua is a Venezuelan gang, but it's not exactly representative of the people of Venezuela, duh.
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