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Nov. 15, 2024 - Dinesh D'Souza
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A WEEK TO REMEMBER Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep962
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And our trip to Charleston that signals a bright new mood for the country.
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Debbie and I are here for our Friday Roundup of the Week.
And wow, what a week it has been.
Now, there's a lot of stuff we want to cover in some specificity.
But I thought I would begin in a more general way.
And I've noticed that even this week on the podcast...
My own mood is a little different and my tone is a little different.
I'm a little more jocular.
Of course, this reached its height when I had Terrence Williams on the podcast.
We were like laughing our heads off the whole time.
But I think that this is symptomatic of a broader mood in the country.
Do you think that we're...
You could almost say living in a different America after the election.
And how are your feelings different post-election than they were before?
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I do think people are a little bit...
You know, the world did not come to an end, despite people like Eva Longoria and, you know...
You told me she's leaving the country.
Yeah.
She's left the country.
Supposedly, she lives in Mexico and Spain.
But the interesting thing, and I say this kind of because it's so dumb, right?
But she's basically saying that California taxes are just too high.
The cost of living in California is just too great and all of that.
And I'm thinking to myself, but the very party that you support is the reason for those things, right?
Right.
From what you read to me, she's basically leaving California and thinks she's leaving Trump's America.
Yeah, yeah.
She's like, the place has become a dystopia.
A dystopia, yeah.
And now, to a degree, what you're saying is she's right that California is a little dystopian.
It is, but because of the way she votes.
Right.
She asked for that.
Right.
And she even referred to homelessness.
Yeah, she did.
Didn't she refer to encampments everywhere?
I think what she's saying is, and of course, she's right about this too.
There are parts of America that look third world-ish.
Right.
By design.
And there are many parts of the old third world that look modern.
I mean, you go to Seoul today, or you go to Mumbai, the places look different.
It was different than when I grew up.
Our friend Philip, who just came back from Manila, was telling us that Manila is a wonderful city.
And there are parts of it that are, he said, as sophisticated as any American city.
It's cleaner.
They've got fantastic cuisine from all over the world.
We've got to remember the rest of the world is coming up.
We are struggling to hold in place because of the Democrats.
But coming back to Trump, it does seem like that there is, it's almost like the whole country has gasped a sigh of relief.
Now, admittedly, the left is freaking out.
So they are in the position that we were in after 2020.
Yeah, but we weren't as, we were upset, and rightfully so.
But we were not whiny.
I don't think anybody did any videos crying, bawling their eyes out.
Threatening to leave the country.
No.
And then I even read about this man that committed suicide.
He killed his kid and his partner and then he committed suicide because he thinks that living under Trump is going to be somehow horrible.
And I'm thinking to myself, this is what the media did to these people.
It brainwashed them so horribly bad that they actually believed that Trump was going to be some kind of dictator or whatever.
And so, it just baffles me.
Isn't this ironic, honey?
Because they've been saying that Trump is a cult.
MAGA is a cult.
We are supposedly in this cult.
Yeah.
And yet, that is cult-like behavior.
He drank the Kool-Aid.
It's like unbelievable.
And I think what makes it so bad is that, you know, I mean, Rachel Maddow's not committing suicide.
Elizabeth Warren's not committing suicide.
No, because they all know they're bullshit.
They all know better.
They're bull-oops.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oops.
Right.
But what you're saying is that they know better.
They're bull-poop-poop.
Yeah.
Is that better?
But I mean, think of how wicked that is that these are people who know better than are whipping up their dumb constituents into a frenzy.
Into a frenzy.
And basically telling them, it's kind of like, hey, you know what?
You need to be really angry.
Go jump off a cliff.
I'm not jumping off a cliff.
It's like the Islamic mullahs.
Hey, listen, put on a suicide vest.
You need to fight against Israel.
It actually is that mentality.
It's somewhat similar.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
So let's talk about our trip.
Yeah, so we had planned this before the election.
And remember, our idea was, we're going to work hard through the election, then we'll do a fun getaway.
And we decided on, well, my idea, Charleston, South Carolina.
Now, I've never been to Charleston, neither have you.
Kind of unusual, because I've traveled.
You've been everywhere.
Well, you've been a lot of places, and I've literally been everywhere.
But I've never been to Charleston.
And I had this sort of idea of Charleston, stately, old, kind of plantation-style homes and some southern history.
But I didn't know anything beyond that.
And in fact, quite honestly, we were there three days and I thought, I'm not really sure what we're going to do when we get there.
Now, what is kind of amusing, and of course, we're going to get to politics, but I thought it'd be fun for us to start on this lighter, whimsical note.
We actually had an adventure on the airplane.
Oh, my.
Flying out of...
Oh my goodness.
Okay, first of all, you know that for entertainment, we watch airline disasters.
For entertainment.
We like to watch that show, Airline Disasters, and then every time I go on an airplane, I'm like...
No, in fairness, these airline disasters, people should know.
Some of you may think we like to go see planes crash.
No.
No.
The theme of the airline disasters is essentially a kind of whodunit and a forensic examination often at a quite detailed level.
So we've learned in the course of these, you know, our entertainment quite a bit about airplanes and the airline industry all over the world in any event.
So coming back to it, yes, but you're right.
That's the background.
Yeah.
And then we get on this plane, and what happens?
So we're talking about how excited we are to go.
And this is like, we're leaving in the evening, and we're super excited that we're going to Charleston and all of that.
And, you know, everything's routine.
The flight attendant sits down, ready for takeoff, all of that.
So we're on the tarmac.
We're actually on our lane to leave.
Yeah.
We start leaving.
You know how the plane just goes really, really fast?
Gathers speeds really fast right before taking off.
Comes to a screeching halt.
Comes to a stop.
I... I, at this point, my heart is about to fall out of my mouth.
I am so scared.
I don't know what just happened.
I'm looking around.
Everybody's freaking out.
You, on the other hand, are a little calm.
I'm not sure why, really, but I was like, what just happened?
We were literally about to...
Take off.
It has never happened to me before.
I've had a couple of weird things happen on airplanes, but not this.
This was a case of hitting the brakes, I would say, about one second before the airplane goes into the air.
And I think what made it really eerie is that the pilot steers the plane off the runway into a side area.
Doesn't really explain anything.
And we just sit there.
In the dark of the night, like, what just happened?
Yeah.
And then all he says is, Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
We just had a mechanical...
An electrical issue.
We just had an electrical issue.
We will be returning to the gate shortly.
And we're like, an electrical issue?
What's interesting is we swapped out our plane.
We were okay and all.
But the thing is...
We're like, what do you mean?
An electrical issue could be like, you know what, there was a light that should have come on that didn't come on.
That's an electrical issue.
Here's another electrical issue.
You're about to take off in the air and all your instruments stop working and you're looking at blank screens and that is the kind of electrical issue that's a prelude to a major crash.
We never found out to this day.
Never found out.
I mean, you even looked up to see if on the news there wasn't going to be any reports about an airline, you know, not to abort.
Yeah.
Nothing.
Not a word.
So, if anybody from United Airlines, you know, knows what happened, could you please, like, let us know?
Because I'm still thinking about that little mishap.
All right.
So, on we go.
And we are now, we're in Charlotte.
And we loved it.
I mean, it was really...
Talk about your impressions of Charlotte.
I mean, not Charlotte.
Charleston.
Charleston.
Yeah.
So, it's very...
Just very Americana.
And everybody is super cheerful.
It kind of reminded me a little bit of our trip to Australia.
How nice everybody was.
Everybody was just very nice.
And there was no...
Like, it...
It didn't seem like anybody was upset about the election.
In fact, just the opposite.
Everybody seemed extremely cheerful.
Well, you were wearing your all-American Ralph Lauren with a massive American flag.
And I saw a lot of people with MAGA hats.
You did, yeah.
A lot.
And nobody gave you a dirty look.
Nobody.
Nobody.
Everybody was just, oh, where did you get your sweater?
I love your sweater.
Yeah, and I was like...
So interestingly, we noticed that, and I suppose this is the way America is in general, there wasn't a lot of discussion in politics, because we went to restaurants, we went to this big street fair, people are just talking about barbecue, and they're talking about all kinds of weather and all kinds of stuff, but they were upbeat.
And I think, I guess what we're saying is, I think this is partly a tribute to Charleston, In other words, it is just...
It's like America circa 1989, which is what you said about Australia.
When we were in Sydney, you saw...
First of all, you rarely...
We didn't see any 300-pounders.
That is worth noting.
Everybody was fit.
People are running.
And also very optimistic.
If you talk to people, they're all like...
They have an upbeat view of life.
And we saw this in Charleston again.
And I gotta say that this is...
This is the America of, this is Reagan's America, but we haven't been living in Reagan's America.
So we're very aware of the difference.
We are.
And when Trump says, make America great again.
That's what he's talking about.
He's partly talking about recovering that optimistic spirit that is characteristic of America.
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We're talking about our trip to Charleston, and it was very memorable, I think.
In fact, toward the end of it, we're like, we need to pick up some mementos that remind us.
We've done this throughout our marriages to pick up.
We don't really get souvenirs, but rather we get artworks.
Something that reminds us.
Some sort of a porcelain, some sort of a curio that we can, so that our house is full of memories, which is, I think, been really cool.
And we can walk through our house and we're like, oh, well, that was actually New Orleans.
And you even remember, like, you'll be able to remember the month and the year.
I'm not that good on all that.
We found some really cool art that we picked up for the house and we ate some really good food, mostly French food, which is interesting because I think, well, I do think that the South is influenced by France not only in its cuisine but in its architecture.
Mm-hmm.
Because you see a lot of French influence.
You also see Italian influence, the columns.
That's Roman.
Those are Roman columns.
And so there's a very distinctive look and feel to Charleston.
But we also did some Civil War tourism.
We went to the Civil War Museum, which was not so much a big...
It was a small museum, but with a lot of authentic artifacts.
It had a lot of artifacts, yes.
It had cannons, it had...
It had Calhoun's deathbed.
It had Calhoun's actual deathbed.
We're talking about John Calhoun, the great...
John Calhoun.
I mean, John Calhoun was a great man, and what I mean by that is he's not somebody that I like in the sense that he was an avid defender of slavery.
He was a plantation owner, and known to be a very benign plantation owner.
He was actually...
Kindly.
It may be too much to say he treated the slaves as family because that's probably not really strictly speaking true.
But nevertheless, just to be looking at Calhoun's deathbed, a little bit of an eerie feeling.
And I thought the artifacts were so cool because they were like a pipe that some Confederate soldier smoked.
There were bullets.
There were letters.
Portraits.
Landscapes.
Landscapes.
And also the two women who are manning the museum.
Very Southern.
Not only very Southern, but avid defenders of the Confederacy.
Oh my goodness.
And stinging critics of Lincoln.
And you know, of course, I'm always talking about Lincoln in a positive light on the show, but these people were like...
Yeah, Abraham Lincoln should have come down here and he would have learned a thing or two about us Southerners.
And I thought it was fascinating because just to hear their point of view, you know, and their point of view was really that the South was the great exporter of Of the country.
It was exporting cotton, which was coming from slavery, but it was also exporting rice.
It was also exporting indigo.
In fact, those are the three industries that made South Carolina one of the richest cities in the country.
And apparently what happens is Lincoln comes in and Lincoln didn't believe in income taxes.
There were no income taxes, no national income tax, but Lincoln believed in tariffs.
And essentially...
Sounds a little like Trump.
Sounds a little like Trump, right?
Yeah.
But her point of view was that tariffs only hurt the South.
Because what are you doing?
You're putting a tax on the things that the South makes.
Exactly.
And you're making our goods more expensive.
For everyone.
To sell abroad.
And the benefits, the spending that the government does as a result of raising revenue goes equally to the North and the South.
So what she was implying is that slavery was only a secondary cause of the war.
And one of the points she made is that a lot of Northerners got rich through the effects of slavery, which is in fact true.
So it was fascinating to listen to these passionately delivered stories Really confederate.
Almost as if you went back in time.
We're talking like these southern bells, right?
Well, and the thing about it is, you know, there is a...
I'm sure that today these two women were probably big Trump supporters, right?
So it is interesting how the confederate southerner...
You can be simultaneously attached to the values of the democratic confederacy and at the same time go, hey, the world is different now.
It's the 21st century and we're now good republicans.
And then what we did was we went out to Fort Sumter.
So talk about that.
Yeah, so that was...
Well, first of all, we had to go on a ferry.
And as you know, I need my relief band.
Anytime we go on any boat or airplane, I've got to have that relief band, which we used to actually advertise for on this podcast.
But I use it.
I've used it for 20 years.
It's the only way I can go on a boat.
And it was rocking, right?
A 30-minute ride in fairly rocky water.
Yeah, but I was fine.
The only complaint was it was very chilly and the wind was just brutal.
It was so brutal.
Bitterly cold.
Chilly, yeah.
Chilly.
But we get there.
We get out.
We walk around.
And it's a small fort.
It's not that large.
And, of course, the first thing we see is climate change and how it's affected the fort.
I mean, I don't know who writes this literature.
It's propaganda.
It's propaganda.
Pure propaganda.
But the history of it is pretty interesting.
Very.
And I obviously knew that the South Carolinians firing on Fort Sumter, those were the first shots of the Civil War.
Of the Civil War, that's what opened.
didn't know was there is Fort Moultrie, which is near Fort Sumter.
And Anderson, who was in charge of the troops, the federal troops, was actually at Moultrie.
He was not at Sumter.
But once the South Carolinians decided to secede, he was like, things are getting a little dicey over here.
So in the middle of the night, he and the federal troops decamped.
They got out of Fort Moultrie, which was under, the Southerners controlled it, and they went to Fort Sumter, kind of as a hideout.
So when the South Carolinians figured that out, they were infuriated, and they demanded that he give up the fort and surrender, which he didn't do for a while.
And that's why, I mean, it's so ironic, because General Beauregard, who was the Southern...
One of the top Southern generals, as it turns out, in the Civil War, Beauregard knew Anderson.
And so he was like, hey, Anderson, you know what?
You got to give up the fort.
And I'm under orders from my new government to ask you to...
But he was very gentle in his demand.
He was like, I'm going to give you time to consider it and give me an answer.
But of course, the answer was no, because Anderson believed that he had no orders from Lincoln to give up the fort.
And that's when the bombardment began.
And what we found was really eerie.
We even toured one of the old, not plantations, but city homes in Charleston.
And that's where people gathered all these beautiful homes on the water.
And apparently the citizens of Charleston were watching the bombardment.
Yeah, because you could see it.
And we could see it from the balcony.
Yeah.
We could see Fort Sumter.
Can you imagine that sight of just watching these cannons?
Oh, the bombs going off.
Yeah.
People must have been like so afraid, so scared.
I bet you they were all tremendously excited because I think they thought that this was the beginning of a glorious new era.
Of defense?
It certainly didn't end that way.
It didn't work out that way, did it?
All right.
Now, let's come to the events of this week and specifically the Trump appointments.
What's your overall take about them?
And then in the next segment, we'll dive into some of the specific ones.
I think a lot of them are very Trumpian.
You know, like, I'm just going to stick it to you.
Totally.
Right?
In your face.
But very different than 2016, because in 2016, Trump made, I would call it, almost diffident and prudential.
You know, he brought in people that were pretty conventional.
I think Trump tried out a conventional approach.
Right, right.
Yeah.
He was like, listen, you know, I don't understand how things work over a year.
I'm going to bring in somebody who's had some experience.
Who's been there, right?
A bureaucrat, unfortunately.
Yeah.
But it turns out these people stabbed him in the back.
And they were, and some of them were just utterly incompetent.
I mean, take someone like Jeff Sessions, who was the Attorney General.
When the Russia collusion hoax started, Jeff Sessions goes, I'm recusing myself.
Yeah.
Think of it.
That was nuts.
I mean, would Eric Holder recuse himself?
Of course not.
Of course not.
So, I mean, it produces, I think it produced in Trump as it produced in me, like a sputtering reaction of utter disbelief and rage.
And Trump has been nursing that rage, I think.
And then look at Bill Barr.
Look at Bill Barr.
I mean, talk about another beached whale.
I mean, this guy.
Absolute disgrace.
And all of these guys, I mean, really the only distinguishing feature they have.
You know, you list these people and sometimes over the years you get the idea that you think of them as experienced or smart.
Take Lisa Murkowski, the senator from Alaska.
Because when you see her, she always seems like she's some sort of experienced figure.
Do you realize that Lisa Murkowski failed the bar four times?
She's a dummy.
And the only reason she's sitting in that seat is her father, Frank Murkowski, had that seat.
So she's the product of that kind of direct nepotism.
So nepotism plus stupidity is basically Lisa.
And here's Lisa, I don't believe that Matt Gaetz is even remotely qualified.
And I'm like, why are we listening to you?
What's your IQ? What's your IQ? What have you ever done?
You know, what have you ever achieved?
Nothing.
So we've got this dead weight.
And I'm giving an example of a Republican.
My point being that Trump is causing a lot of us to just revise our understanding of what it takes to be successful in government.
Re-evaluate.
A massive re-evaluation.
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Debbie and I are doing our Friday roundup and we're talking about Trump's appointments.
I think that he's going to get...
I will go out on a limb and say I think all these appointments will get through.
Because I think that it is clear to Republicans, even Republicans who don't like Trump all that much, that Trump is showing a path to long-term Republican success.
Mm-hmm.
He did better.
Alex Marlow made this point yesterday on the podcast.
Trump did better than the Republicans as a whole.
Can I say something about that?
It's kind of a little interesting.
I go to get my nails done at this place that is run by Vietnamese people.
And they are now American citizens, so it's very cool to listen to their stories and everything.
But one of them said, oh, you know, they were all very excited about Trump winning, but one of them said, oh yeah, I'm done voting though.
I voted for Trump, but I'm not voting for anybody else after this.
And I said, what?
What do you mean?
And she said, well, I mean, just Trump.
And I said, no, you have to continue to vote Republican because if you don't, then everything that you thought you were going to lose if Trump didn't win will happen.
So you cannot, you can't just go back to the way things were anymore.
You have to continue to vote for Trump.
But But they were just not excited about Republicans in general.
Well, this is an absolutely critical point here, namely that we have to figure out a way to transfer the personal...
Popularity of Trump to the party as a whole.
And for that to happen, the party itself needs to change.
Because if the party is the same fuddy-duddy, umbrella-carrying, toothbrush-mustache party of old...
You're not going to have Latino men in the Rio Grande Valley going, we're for you.
You're not going to have Trump trains.
You're not going to have Blacks who seem right out of the ghetto.
Blacks who we'd never see in the Republican Party in the past raving about Trump and bashing Obama.
When have we seen that?
Never.
Never.
So all of this is a new phenomenon, and it's like a potion that we have to recognize.
Well, you know, we have a, I guess, a DVD coming out, Who Are These Democrats?
And that's going to be a really good expose on making sure that people understand the differences between the parties and who are these Democrats.
Then and now.
And I think that that is going to have to be something that we're going to have us educate people on.
Because no one else is doing it.
No one else is doing it.
There has been a critical shift, and I think the critical shift did come in the aftermath of Hillary's America, because what we did was we destroyed the historical argument that the Democrats made that Republicans are the party of slavery.
They're the party of bigotry.
They oppose the civil rights movement.
I mean, just...
Lies.
Straight out one big lie on top of the other, right?
This is the racism lie that parallels the fascism lie.
And they had been massively successful.
And Republicans were not disputing them on this.
That's right.
And what we did was we just put that lie into an electric socket.
We put it to bed.
We put it to bed.
And we blew it up.
We did.
And we blew it up in such a way that really within weeks...
It's almost like a new orthodoxy.
I mean, Candace Owens was basically out there, you know, converting the arguments of Hillary's America into a vocabulary that was resonating with people.
And then other people, of course, tons of other people picked it up.
And now it's just so eerie to listen to a lot of blacks who have clearly feel much greater comfort in coming over to the Republican side because they're coming over to the side that represents freedom.
That's right.
They're rejoining Lincoln's party.
Yeah.
But we do need to go further.
And I believe that we need to not just, you know, obviously Trump was a huge asset, but he will not be running for president ever again.
So we need to make sure that whoever fills that role, whoever runs for president, runs for anything really in the Republican Party, does it by embracing the party itself and making sure that the party stands for the principles of the Lincoln Republican Party.
Yes, but I think that Trump himself knows that he is also a symbol.
And by that I mean there are things that Trump says, and it's also the way he says it, that reaches a wider circle.
Mm-hmm.
Think, for example, just about Trump's rhetorical honesty, the straightforwardness of Trump.
That's not a normal Republican way to talk.
We don't know any other Republican who talks like Trump, right?
And I'm not saying that they have to take lessons in speaking like Trump, but they have to recognize that that straightforward style is what resonates.
I mean, Trump goes on Joe Rogan and he talks basically in a very normal manner.
Kamala Harris didn't go on Rogan because she couldn't do it.
She knew she couldn't do it.
Her people knew she couldn't do it.
So even though they're now saying, well, she didn't go with Joe Rogan because there were progressives who told her, you're not going to go on Hitler's party.
There's all this rumination about why she didn't go on Rogan.
I think the real reason she didn't go on Rogan...
Is she would be exposed as an absolutely hollow, vacuous fraud.
She knew it.
Her campaign knew it.
And they're like, we can't put her out there like that.
It's like exposing a naked person, putting them in a fashion show.
Yeah, no, that's true.
That's true.
So, yeah, but I'm excited about his appointments.
I'm especially excited about Rubio.
You did talk about this a little bit with Alex.
Yeah, talk about Rubio a little bit because I've seen some people who say, oh, no, Rubio is going to be the same old neocon.
They think Rubio is like Liz Cheney.
A neocon.
Yes, I understand that.
So, what's your take on...
How would you answer someone who goes, basically, Rubio is Liz Cheney in a man's outfit?
Yeah.
Well, I don't think that's true, to be honest.
Rubio is extremely intelligent and he...
You know, I'm not a neocon, but I do understand foreign policy.
I do know that it is necessary to have a good foreign policy and not be an isolationist.
Be strong.
Be strong, exactly.
Be feared, right?
If people fear you, they're not going to go over and steal the cookies from the cookie jar if they know you're watching, right?
Right.
And so Rubio is very, very intelligent about the situation with China.
He's extremely up on the Venezuelan situation, which, as you know, I'm very passionate about.
And so a lot of people are like, oh, Venezuela, who cares about Venezuela?
Yeah.
But you have to understand that Venezuela has been a stronghold for Iran, for China, for Russia, for many, many decades.
And Hugo Chavez and Maduro open their doors to these people that are basically safe harboring it for their own little gains, right?
So if we don't allow those people on that land, they can't do us harm.
I mean, what you're saying, really, is there is...
The chokehold has been established in Venezuela in such a way that the Venezuelan people are not going to be able to liberate themselves.
That's right.
And if that comes, it's going to have to come from the outside.
Now, no one's calling for any massive deployment of U.S. We're not declaring war in Venezuela.
That's right.
But the good news is that we're strong enough that there are 10 different ways we could destabilize, even overthrow that regime.
Probably three SEAL teams could do it.
And they may not even have to.
There could be a way to get some of Maduro's own generals to turn on him.
Yeah.
Or to make Maduro an offer he can't refuse.
Hey, Maduro, listen.
In other words, you know what?
You can have a very comfortable exile in Malaga, Spain, as long as you decamp in the next three weeks.
As long as Spain will take him.
Probably will.
I mean, there's no reason not to, you know, not to.
I mean, I'm fine with giving him a country house in rural Spain and giving him tapas every day.
But, I mean, think of the relief of suffering that would come about.
I mean, it would be not just incredible for the people of Venezuela, you know, some of my family members, but it would just be a very good haven for...
For American stability, really.
Because it's not right now.
And I do believe that Iran is very close to getting a nuclear weapon.
I do believe Venezuela is a place for them to hide their weapons.
I do believe that they can use the enriched uranium from Venezuela to do this.
And so, I mean, think about it.
If they do come up with a nuke, And they happen to do it in Venezuela, 1,300 miles away from our shoreline.
I cannot imagine the fear that we will have.
Yeah, I think what we're saying here is it's a dangerous world.
And so when I see some of the libertarians are...
I think they had hoped that you'd have a foreign policy team that takes the view...
Essentially, this is not our problem.
China's not our problem.
Russia's not our problem.
Venezuela's not our problem.
And neither of us take that view.
We take the view that the United States is a powerful force in the world.
Our interests are primary.
That's the meaning of America first.
But the same principle that applies to domestic policy, which is protect our interests and protect our citizens, applies to foreign policy.
We have interests in the world.
Right.
And you could do it.
You Somali pirates, pirates in the Indochina Sea, off the Arabian Sea, off the coast of India.
By and large, the U.S. Navy patrols the seawaters of the world.
Right.
And if we take our eyes off of that, like say, it's not our problem, can you imagine the disruption?
The disruption would be huge.
Huge.
You'd essentially have international piracy on the high seas and nobody else would be able to police it.
No.
So, we are in the sole position of being able to guarantee.
Now, Trump might come along and say, and this would be a very reasonable thing to say, hey guys, listen, essentially we have a security force that's policing the commercial traffic of the world.
We need to have other countries pay into a system to cover the cost of that, because we're all benefiting from it.
We don't normally think like this.
By and large, the US is like, we'll bear the cost.
But I think Trump's point is that when you're dealing with European security, the Europeans should pay into that system.
When you're dealing with the sea lanes, the world should pay into that system.
So Trump, as a business guy, is conscious of these kinds of things, and I think he's right to be.
Honey, look at this.
MSNBC ratings collapse.
Joy Reid down 54%.
Chris Hayes 47%.
Morning Joe 39%.
Stephanie Rule 67%.
Andrea Mitchell 39.7%.
Now, to parallel this, I saw this guy who's a big...
Leftist YouTuber.
And he goes, he goes, I don't understand it.
He goes, I just noticed that I've lost thousands of my subscribers.
He goes, this is my livelihood.
He goes, my subscribers never go down.
So he goes, I thought it must be some sort of a glitch.
He says, I started calling all these other leftist podcasters and YouTubers.
And he goes, all of them are losing subscribers in droves.
Now, the reason they're losing subscribers is their subscribers realize that these people have been lying to them.
Because these are the people who are like...
I assure you Trump is going to get his comeuppance.
This guy's a loser.
I can't believe that they picked him again.
He's a three-time loser.
You know, he lost in 2018.
He lost in 2020.
He's back or about to give him another butt-kicking.
And then when the results come in, people are like...
In other words, these people on the left have been getting information that doesn't match the world.
And so what you have is leftist propaganda, which they've been buying into and consuming.
And then, boom, reality hits them like a meteor.
And then they're shocked.
And so this guy was saying, yeah, all these people are telling me, I can't do it anymore, man.
But honey, it's because, listen, they were so sure of themselves.
Because the media has been a mechanism that the left has used in order to escalate the big whys that they have said.
And this is where censorship has hurt them.
See, we always think censorship has only hurt us and it has because it's blocked us and we can't get our films distributed and so we get choked off by censorship.
But what happens with them, this is how censorship hurts the left, is that information is going out in other ways.
Right?
But the left has tried to control the channels of communication, so they only hear what they're putting out.
The echo chamber.
Their own echo chamber, their own bubble, if you want to call it that.
And now they've realized that more than half the country doesn't listen to them, doesn't care what they have to say.
Do you know that apparently MSNBC is now going up for sale?
Right.
No way.
I have an idea for Elon Musk here.
But not only Elon Musk.
There are a lot of other people who could probably buy.
Comcast, I think, is the...
Yeah, but do you really think...
You know, we haven't been that smart in the past.
Our side is not smart about this.
Our side is not smart about this at all.
And this is really where they should be going.
Snap it up.
Yes.
Of course.
Of course.
We should, except we don't have that much money.
Yes.
We can't do it by ourselves.
If we could, we would.
We would.
Oh, yeah.
The other thing is CNN is evidently planning major cutbacks.
We don't know where those will fall, but they're going to fall on...
Generally, when...
Mm-hmm.
Jake Tapper.
You find that these are overpaid and they bring nothing to the table.
I mean, these are basically empty suits.
And so I think we're going to see some changes in media that The guy who owns the LA Times, this Oriental guy, Asian guy, he puts out a statement.
He says, listen, I've got the message of the election.
He says, the message of the election is that we cannot only accommodate one side.
And so our paper is going to have to change.
And he goes, and here's the first indication of the change.
The entire editorial board of the LA Times is fired.
No.
Oh, yeah.
All of them have been removed.
And where this will go remains to be seen.
But this is a dramatic indication.
Along with Gascon.
That Gascon is out.
Yeah.
I think at some point these people realize, you know, if you're going to be the LA Times, I mean, some of these newspapers have become such a joke.
If you take something like the flagship newspaper in Arizona, Now, Arizona has what?
Several million people who live in Arizona.
The flagship newspaper has like 50,000 readers.
50,000.
What kind of a flagship newspaper?
You're not a flagship newspaper.
You're like some...
In fact, I bet you're like a food newspaper probably has a bigger following.
A circular has a bigger...
Yeah, exactly.
Some flyer that you hand out as more people.
So, this is media.
And I think some changes may be underway.
Oh, I hope so.
It's about time.
Let's talk briefly about the House and the Senate.
Because...
The way to make change in a country is, and we talked about this, and we didn't think we'd get it.
I didn't think we would either.
I thought, hey, listen, we're going to try to get Trump across the finish line.
We're going to try to hold the House.
I go, with a lot of luck, we might get the Senate.
But as it turns out, this was a home-run election, right?
It was not a landslide in the sense that it was not an FDR type of landslide.
It was close.
It was pretty close in some respects, but...
What happened is we inched ahead everywhere.
So we gained with rural voters.
We gained with urban voters.
We gained with suburban voters.
We gained with white women.
So what happens is by getting 2% or 3% in a divided country, you now do have a clear-cut majority.
You're not 60-40.
You're like 52-48.
Right.
So that's where we are.
We have an edge, but we should not rest.
We can't rest on our laurels.
But my question is, and that's reflected in the fact that the House and Senate majorities are precarious.
We only just got the House majority.
We'll probably have maybe five-seat majority in the House, what, two or three seats majority in the Senate.
And we know that there are wavering House members who are Republicans, and It is the task of leadership to consolidate our team and get them to vote as a bloc.
Now, the Democrats manage that.
They do.
They always do that.
They do it.
Pelosi held the House.
You've got to give him credit.
They whipped their team into shape, and they were able to get their moderates to vote for quite leftist.
And we need leadership that can show the same kind of...
But can we?
Are we even capable of it?
I think the answer to that is yes.
And here we have to give some credit to people who have shown we can do it.
One of the people, believe it or not, who was very effective, he hasn't been lately, but he was before, is McConnell.
Mitch McConnell has the...
If you go back, I mean, think about it.
Why isn't Merrick Garland on the Supreme Court?
Merrick Garland was nominated by Obama, right?
Mitch McConnell held up his nomination.
The clock ran out.
Trump came in in 2016.
That was the end of Merrick Garland.
Well, okay, he's done a lot of damage as Attorney General, but who knows what damage he would have done on the court, right?
He would not have a 6-3 majority.
So, the point here is that Republicans can do it.
And now, Republicans can stack the court.
But this would be hilarious.
Even Trump has shown no indication of going there, but I will explain what you mean by this.
Democrats have been talking about adding four justices, right?
And why four?
Because we have six-three.
So if they added four, they would have seven-six.
That's been their motive, right?
But they've put out proposals for this.
So what you're saying, I think, is this.
And that is that we come along and we go, hey...
Let's, in the spirit of bipartisanship, let us adopt a democratic proposal to add four justices to the court, and we will be nominating, of course, the four, and submitting them to a Republican Senate for approval, thus resulting in a 10-3 majority.
Right?
Good luck.
Oh my goodness.
Good luck with winning any cases from now on.
Oh my goodness.
They would be beside themselves.
But it's their idea.
It's their idea and not to mention the fact that it's almost like I made a point the other day about these nominations.
I said, listen, if Trump makes a nomination and the left is critical...
That means that, by and large, it's not a very good nomination.
But if you make a nomination and the left is beside themselves, then you've made an excellent nomination.
And if you make a nomination where the left is truly jumping out of windows, setting themselves on fire...
Then your nomination is right on.
So you measure your nomination by the degree of discombobulation it produces on the other side.
This would be an idea of...
If you thought that the whole Blossy Ford thing was, you know, oh my gosh, what they will do...
I think we've got to learn, and this is not our normal temperament, we've got to learn to cultivate a certain studied indifference to the other side.
Because even now, we're used to reacting.
Like when we're driving over to the podcast, you'll be like, well, the left is really up in arms about Matt Gaetz.
Well, they're bringing up the fact that he's been accused of underage.
I'm like...
First of all, we need to adopt the looking out of the car window model.
You know how it is when you're driving and your teenage kids are trying to talk nonsense?
You just pretend not to hear.
You're just driving.
Some of us, though, don't have that temperament.
Well, it's partly because we have been raised in an environment over many, many years in which the New York Times, they set the agenda.
And we let them.
So, it's almost like unlearning those habits.
Let's close out by just talking very briefly about one thing that I think is very outrageous today.
The FBI raid on the CEO of Polymarket, the betting site.
Why?
Because they seem to be implying that because Polymarket was predicting a Trump victory, and by the way, predicting because bettors were betting on Trump, that he was somehow, quote, interfering in the election.
How is that even?
And so they take his phone.
It's a 6 a.m.
FBI raid.
I mean, this is, by the way, why we need Matt Gaetz.
Oh my gosh.
Because we need to go in there with a bulldozer and identify the people who do these things.
I mean, do you think that this is all in an effort to do it before the Calvary changes pans?
Yes.
And I think what Trump is doing to counter it, because Trump normally has got to realize, I don't come until January 20th, right?
So part of the reason for an appointment like Matt Gaetz is to tell these people, Start running for the exits now because the cavalry is coming, right?
And it's not going to be good for you when we get there.
So you might as well skip town while you can.
So in other words, put your house on the market.
I mean, just the fact that they can abuse people like this.
I mean, think of where it would go.
I mean, I always go back to Bolanos, what they did to him, you know?
I mean, think about if Harris had won.
Right?
Yeah, we'd be getting a knock on our door.
We'd be getting yanked out of bed, you know, put on handcuffs.
Yeah, I mean, we would have.
We even consider the possibility that even making a vindicating Trump would be that they would then say this is election interference.
Yeah.
Because you're making a film.
It's, quote, a contribution to the Trump campaign.
Yeah.
You've exceeded the campaign finance limit again, Dinesh.
Yeah.
So this is how crazy these people are.
And they have put us in a very uneasy position for the past four years.
And we're about to do the same to them.
Yay.
Yay.
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