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THE FACE OF MAGA Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep959
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Coming up special edition of the podcast I'm joined in studio by my friend Terrence Williams.
He's a MAGA influencer.
He's a comedian.
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We're going to talk about election results, about Trump, realignment, Senate leadership, a second-term agenda, and also Terrence's pancake company and the future of comedy in a new post-woke America.
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Hey guys, a special podcast today.
I have my buddy Terrence Williams in studio.
It's really great.
And so we're going to be able to talk about a whole bunch of issues.
You know Terrence Williams, but just for the few of you who don't, he's an actor, he's a comedian, he's an entrepreneur, he's a social media sensation.
He's got an internet following of over 5 million fans.
He regularly tours the country.
Making people laugh.
And he's also got a company which we'll talk about.
It's called Cousin Teas.
And he's actually brought some Cousin Teas pancakes.
And we might be having a snack during the show.
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His website, TerrenceKWilliams.com.
Terrence, great to have you.
This is so cool.
Well, you left out I was your best friend.
He's a comedian, entrepreneur, my bestie.
Remember, I started off saying my buddy, Terrence Williams.
I'm like, bestie, my bestie.
Absolutely.
Thanks for having me on, Dinesh, man.
Now, when did we first meet?
Oh, that was back in, I think, was it 2018?
Yeah.
Something like that, yes.
I think it was 2018.
Yep.
And you and Debbie took me out for my birthday.
That's right.
That's right.
Y'all took me to some nice restaurant.
I didn't even know how to sit down.
Yeah, it was nice.
We had steak.
I was looking at those prices.
But, I mean, it was phenomenal that y'all had took it.
I mean, you and Debbie are pretty busy, so I was really appreciative that y'all took the time out to take me out for my birthday and buy me some $100 steak.
That was some good steak.
That was some good steak.
Oh, man.
And then, of course, we had you in the film Trump Card.
Yes, exactly.
Yes.
And I ain't been in another movie since.
Yeah.
We're here to talk about me being in a movie.
Can I be a driver?
Can I open up the door or something?
I don't even need a big row.
You know, I actually noticed that you have Terrence Williams is an actor in your bio.
Exactly!
Let me act!
Yes, let me act!
The only acting I've done is acting like I am an actor.
It's time for me to be a real actor to this.
I'm okay with dying in the beginning of the movie.
I'm fine with that.
I'm fine with that.
The opening scene.
Yes.
Everybody actually remembers the first person that died in the movie.
Especially in a horror movie.
Exactly.
I'll be that person.
I'm not asking for a lie.
What?
I'm not asking for a lot, but yeah.
Oh my gosh.
I do remember that though, yeah.
Well, Terrence, it's not only great to see you, but it's good to hear your laugh.
And I've been actually hearing your laugh a lot more on social media.
And hey, you know, we've been through for, you gotta say, pretty grueling years with these maniacs running the country, right?
Man.
And let's start by talking about that.
Like, what did that do to your...
Did it affect your comedy?
I mean, it's been about eight years, right?
Well, you had Trump till 20, and then you had Biden 20.
Well, I'm talking about when Donald Trump started running for office.
Oh, right.
Oh, I see what you mean.
You're saying all the...
I mean, it's been a long road.
Yeah.
You know, I came out and supported Donald Trump, you know, back in 2015.
And people, these Democrats have been ruthless ever since.
They have been unhinged.
They are bullies.
They are the real bullies.
These people are bullies.
You cannot have your own thought.
You cannot have your own opinion.
If you don't believe in what they believe in, it's the end.
It's the end.
They're coming after you, your job, your family, everybody.
They want you to be done with, over with, done data.
These people are I can never, ever get down with these Democrats, ever.
These liberals, they're so mean and cruel.
I mean, it's been terrible.
But they have helped me out a lot because a lot of them are really silly.
They do a lot of dumb...
I mean, they come up, I'll be like, what?
What?
I mean, this is...
I literally roll out of bed for some of the stuff that they put out.
But I mean, this is the key to your comedy, right?
People have different types of comedy.
And your comedy is essentially the comedy of reaction.
Yes.
Right?
You put something on there, and then you have your expression.
And your expression actually is very patient, I noticed, because you don't immediately go nuts.
You show a certain type of curiosity, like...
Right?
And it's sort of like, it's somewhat tactical.
I think you know the lunacy is coming.
I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.
That's it.
That's it.
Because you look like you're about to say some stupid shit.
But, I want to believe, a part of me want to believe this something dumb is not about to come out your mouth.
But I mean, there is...
There actually is an element of really great acting in there, which people don't realize because it's both natural, but it's also, you know, if I watch the progression of your face, you start off, you're kind of neutral.
Then you're intrigued.
That's stage two.
Stage three is, you're like, now something crazy is coming down the pike, right?
That's stage three.
And stage four is when you unleash.
Yeah, exactly.
I'll fall out of my chair all night.
No, but seriously, I mean, they literally, you would think, like, I cannot believe somebody actually pulled out their phone.
You literally, you put in your passcode, went to your camera, hit the record button, then I know you rewatched it, and then you put it on the internet.
Yeah.
That shit is great!
And it'd be the craziest stuff!
But they have provided me, which that's the only thing that I love about them, is that they provide me with a lot of material.
A lot of, I mean, and it's, I don't have to, you don't have to write anything.
You can literally talk about the things that they do, and people just crack up and laugh.
Because it's, you know, you got these people, they identify, like, you know, identifying as cats.
You know, and literally on the internet, talk, like, Literally acting like a cat.
A woman literally said she was...
She said, this is my in-heat cat voice.
Like, what?
She said she talked to her cats when they're all in-heat.
What?
What?
These people are crazy.
I think it is a case where there are these bubbles, right, in our culture where this stuff, I'm sure, see, look at it from their point of view.
They obviously don't think they're crazy, right?
They think they're cool.
So this woman probably thinks, well, listen, you know, I'm on the cutting edge.
You take LGBTQ. I'm like beyond that.
I'm on the frontier.
Yeah, I'm a cat too.
Yeah, I'm a cat.
So there's a certain world in which I think she thinks and she's making the video for that world because she wants those people to go, oh man, you know, I mean my...
My daughter may be identifying as a boy and stuff, but you're even ahead of that.
You're identifying as a cat.
What you do is you kind of switch the context on them.
You take their video and you put it in front of like normal America, right?
And then you have people looking at that.
And there's something inherently funny.
But I think you play a key role.
You're like the broker.
Because sometimes when people see particularly all this kind of woke stuff, even the conservatives have been sort of battered a little bit.
And so they're a little reluctant to laugh.
Because they're like, oh, maybe I'm not supposed to feel that way.
And what you do is you kind of not only give them permission to...
Yeah, this is nuts.
You don't have to hold back.
This is crazy.
Exactly.
I mean, it's insane.
But you know, the left, they think we're crazy.
As much as we think they're crazy, they literally think we are the crazy ones.
These liberals are just...
And then when it comes to politics, it's just insane the things that they believe in.
Insane.
That's why I wasn't surprised half of these people got behind Kamala Harris.
They're all dumb.
Because you have to be...
Like, Kamala Harris has the mind of a fruity pebble.
So, if you are getting behind this woman, you have to be literally, you know, and I didn't want to say this during the election.
I didn't want to call, you know, I didn't want to say, oh, if you're a Kamala Harris supporter, you stupid.
If you don't support Trump, you stupid.
I didn't want to say that at first, because I was trying to, you know, I wanted people to come over to our side, right?
So, you know, I did joke around and laugh at the silliness.
But, you know, I wanted to, you know, I wanted to, hey, y'all come over here.
You're trying to persuade us.
Yeah, come over here.
We're friendly over here.
But at the back of my head, I'm thinking, how could you be so damn stupid?
And now that the election is over, now that Donald Trump is in office, you can forget about me trying to persuade you.
Don Don is back in.
And you got to be stupid as hell to support Kamala Harris.
Just dumb.
And now you're looking dumb because she lost in a landslide.
She lost in a landslide.
When we come back, I want to ask an interesting question, which is when you look at the demographics of this election, the one group that went for Harris decisively College-educated white progressives, right?
And these are the people who I'm sure think of themselves as the smartest people in the country.
So let's come back and talk about how the smartest people in the country Who actually have...
They're not just smart in their own mind.
They've got credentials.
They've got degrees.
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They, in fact, think the country would be much better if it were running along the lines that they would recommend.
They feel like they're entitled to do the blueprints for society.
And yet, you're saying, and I agree, that these people are monumentally stupid.
So when we come back, let's talk about how that can be.
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I'm back with comedian and entrepreneur And...
Actor.
Actor.
Terrence Williams.
They're our adopted son.
That's right.
He's also our good friend, our good buddy.
And Terrence, I noticed you have, Debbie pointed out, you have a 45 hat.
I know.
And I think I know why.
Here's why.
You might have heard on social media that there are some people on MSNBC who think that in order to give us the first black female president right away, Biden needs to step down, right?
And she should become president for about two months.
And then, but see, if that's the case, then all the 47 hats have got to be shamed.
They're going to be 48.
So that's why you're waiting.
Yeah, exactly.
Because they are petty enough just to do that.
We're going to make her the 47, so Trump has to change all his merch.
So he has to change everything up.
That's what they would do.
It was one of Kamala's staffers, too, who presented that idea that Biden should step down and let her become the first female and the first female black president.
Which I think is absolutely insane.
That is the definition of a participation trophy.
She wasn't even supposed to be the presidential nominee to begin with.
That was Joe Biden's.
Joe Biden, people voted for him in the primaries.
Kamala Harris did not deserve to be the Democratic nominee.
She didn't even deserve that.
She didn't even get the votes for it.
They voted for Joe Biden.
Joe Biden is a Trump supporter now.
Joe Biden is a Trump supporter.
Well, just recently I saw there was some sort of a ceremony.
I don't know what it was, but Jill Biden was there, and in comes Kamala Harris.
I say Kamala.
Maybe it's Kamala.
Her husband.
Camila.
I don't know.
He calls her Kamala.
Okay, anyway, in comes Kamala Harris with Doug Emhoff, you know, America's like beta male husband.
But Jill Biden, you can see, is like giving them both daggers.
You know, she looks over at them, not in a pleasant way.
She wore red on election day.
Like, that's crazy!
Yeah.
Her husband put on a MAGA hat, which is...
Listen...
I mean, listen, he put on a MAGA hat like Biden.
Like, literally nobody running against Trump would have put on a MAGA hat.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Kamala does not deserve to be president for two days, two weeks, or two months.
She does not deserve to be the president.
Nobody voted for her.
The American people made their decision on election night.
They chose Donald Trump.
Nobody chose Kamala And I mean, think of the humiliation in the history books, right?
Because if you're doing it for the history books, what are the history books going to say?
She ran in the election, she lost.
The other guy stepped aside so that she could have the spot for the interim kind of, you know, what do you call it when someone is, a lame duck period.
Yes, exactly.
And then she was promptly ousted by the guy who actually won the election.
Right.
I mean, who would want to go down in history that way?
She don't mind.
She sucks.
She's never going to get another shot.
She's never going to get another shot.
Kamala sucks.
Kamala is always behind the ball on everything.
She's always in last place.
That's why they have to give her participation trophies.
Do you think the smart people...
We talked about the so-called smart people.
Do you think that the reason...
I'll give you a plausible reason for how they might be thinking.
They might be thinking, well, look, in the last four years we had Biden, but really Biden has not been running the country.
We've got a group of smart people around Biden.
These are like the Obama gang, right?
And these are the same people who will be running the country if Kamala Harris comes in.
So in other words, the Democrats now have this new model in which the president, or at least the candidate for president, doesn't really matter.
It's a front man.
It's like a ventriloquist dummy.
Right.
And so maybe some people are thinking, well, we don't really, it doesn't matter if it's Kamala Harris, it doesn't matter if it's Biden, it doesn't matter if it's somebody else, because the real people who are running the country will continue to run the country, and that's what we're voting for.
Yes.
And that's why we always, and that's why a lot of people will say Kamala Harris is a puppet.
Joe Biden is a puppet.
They're not running, they're not really running anything.
It's somebody else that's calling these shots.
Because, listen, Biden is not in his right mind.
We all know that, you know?
What makes you think that?
Give me an example or two.
Come on, man.
Cut out the malarkey.
Cut out the malarkey.
And then Kamala, like, Kamala is literally...
Like, she is literally...
If you listen to her talk, she is dumb.
And she's a former prosecutor.
I don't even see how she got through school.
Like, this woman is not the brightest cookie at all.
And that's why she did not do a lot of interviews.
Because she's dumb.
And so I know she was not going to be...
If she was actually calling the shots, if she won, she was actually calling the shots, okay?
Whoever was going to be calling the shots for it, they were going to ruin this country anyway, no matter who it was.
But if they let her just do it by herself, I mean, America would probably go downhill even faster.
But we were saved.
We were saved by the bail.
Mm-hmm.
Oh my goodness.
And we were saved by the fact that they put themselves in a trap.
You know, I think whoever it is, Obama, whichever, whatever gang is running the country, they brought in Kamala Harris for sort of historical reasons.
Maybe Obama thought she'd be the female equivalent of him.
And then they couldn't get rid of her because I bet you if they could have, they would have.
But there was no ability to do that, particularly with all the identity politics that they play.
They couldn't do it.
Now, I mean, Kamala Harris surely knew that the vast majority of Americans believed the country was going completely in the wrong direction.
We're talking about massive majority, 70% plus, right?
And then she goes on, I forget if it was The View or if it was, she was asked, How are you different than Joe Biden, right?
This is like the key question, the simple question.
And she could have given a very prepared answer, right?
She should have said something like, well, you know what?
I do share a lot of Joe Biden's values.
I do agree in decency.
I do agree about equality.
I do believe about giving people who haven't had a chance a chance.
But my policies would be very different from Joe Biden's because I think there's a better way.
But no.
She just goes, well, I don't have any disagreements with...
I mean, talk about sealing your own fate.
She's dumb!
Yeah.
This woman is, I know Donald Trump's type.
Oh, shut up.
Oh, I'm so glad she didn't win.
Thank you, Jesus.
Oh!
Now, Terrence, we have to...
Man, it feels so...
I am so glad.
Thank you, Jesus.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
I'm sorry.
I got to talk about different levels of joy and jubilation.
So the first level is Trump won.
We're all very happy about that.
But I got to tell you, this may actually reflect badly on my character because there's a second thing that's going on that actually gives me greater pleasure than Trump winning.
And that is the torment and confusion and hysteria of the left and of the Democrats.
They have taken, Debbie and I were talking about this on the way of the podcast, they have taken, I'm going to call it the fourfold blow.
So here's the fourfold blow.
Number one, They lost the election.
That's bad.
They thought they were going to win.
Number two, they lost the popular vote.
That's even more painful because they wanted at least to have the talking point of, we really won.
We got more votes.
They did not get more votes.
Number three, they lost both houses of Congress.
Not one.
They lost both.
Right?
They were not expecting that.
But four, and I think in a way four is even the worst, All the minority groups that they championed were doing it for the blacks.
We're doing it for the Hispanics.
All these groups moved toward Trump.
And these were the groups that, I mean, they were like, Trump is a racist.
The one thing we can tell you about this guy is he's a racist.
Right.
And of course, you remember the mileage they tried to get out of that Puerto Rican joke that Trump even didn't make.
Some guy made it at the...
Here we go.
There goes Puerto Rico.
They thought the joke would settle the election.
And now these people are like...
There's just no place for them to go.
And he got a large Latino vote.
The Latino vote.
So they literally thought to put a vote on.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, Debbie and I have been particularly excited about this.
Unfortunately, our buddy, Myra, floor is lost very narrowly, by the way.
But in that Rio Grande Valley, which is all Hispanic, and there are counties down there that are, what, 90-95% Star County, for example, which was heavily Democratic for Hillary Clinton.
Mm-hmm.
Was moderately Democratic for Joe Biden.
Right.
And is now straight for Trump.
I mean, these are sea changes of American politics.
Right.
And I've been enjoying the meltdowns.
Yeah.
I have been on TikTok scrolling, download on Netflix.
Oh, this one is good.
Oh, let me not watch all of this.
Let me just do...
Oh, this is good.
This is good.
I mean, I am enjoying it.
You know, a lot of them have been saying, can you guys please stop gloating?
Like, can you guys please stop looking?
no no no no no no no no I've even had a couple of my followers say Terrence be better than them no no no no no no no no when they go low I go low low low low low low low low low low lower low low yeah Limbo, limbo, limbo.
Limbo, limbo, limbo.
You mean it's like that game, but they lower the bar.
Yeah, limbo, limbo, limbo.
Because you know what?
If they would have won, if Kamala would have won, we would not hear the end of it.
You don't think they would be gloating?
Not only that.
They would be gloating.
They would be shaming us, saying we finally got rid of racism.
We finally got rid of you Nazis.
Well, you know, it's worse.
I'll tell you why.
They would not have been contented with gloating.
Because gloating is one thing.
That's, you know, gloating.
But what they would have done is they would have tightened the noose around our neck.
They would have gone for more censorship.
They would have gone for more demonization.
They would have expanded, I think, the category of people that they would have prosecuted.
So these are very vicious, nasty people.
And they've got a lot of ordinary Democrats that they've convinced that this is the right way to go.
So this is not just the leadership.
You have down-the-line Democrats who go, Lock Trump up.
Put him away for life.
That's going to be good for the country.
And so gloating is a very moderate response to the fact that these people...
I love gloating.
I don't know.
I can't get enough of it right now.
Listen, I'm telling people now, you're going to get sick of me.
Dinesh, you might get tired of me.
Debbie might get tired of me.
Because every single day, I'm going to remind people that Donald Trump will be the next president of these United States of America.
And I'm going to remind them every single day, rub it in their faces.
Because since Donald Trump came down those escalators and everyone who publicly supported him...
They literally vilified all of us.
We were vilified, crucified, every single thing.
They literally went after us ever since Donald Trump announced he was running the first time.
And even when Donald Trump's...
And I don't think he lost in 2020.
So even when he was not re-elected in 2020, they still didn't leave us alone.
On the contrary.
They still...
And if y'all don't like this man so much, why you keep poking the bear?
Now he back.
And if y'all...
You know what I'm saying?
They should have left him alone.
Y'all gonna make this man run again.
They probably made him run again.
I mean, they kept poking the bear.
And then, if y'all would have just...
And I believe the election...
I don't think it was fair.
I think it was some shady stuff that went on in the 2020 election.
In the 2020 election, you know, when I say things, when I'm talking on these podcasts and interviews, I have to be careful how I say things.
Because the trolls that take this and say, even the Trump supporters say he think things are shady with this election.
No, the 2020 election.
And if they would have just let Donald Trump in in 2020, he'll be gone by now.
They wouldn't have to deal with him now.
Yeah, so true.
Right back with Terrence.
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I'm back with the one and only Terence Williams, and we are chuckling about the 2024 election.
And Terence, you are making a really good point, namely that If Trump had come in in 2020, let's just say his legal challenges had succeeded, right?
First of all, there would still be a big question mark over everything because it's like, okay, you contested it.
The courts ruled in your favor.
They would still call him and they would say that he illegitimately overturned the result of the 2020 election.
He would have inherited this, you know, an economy that had been wrecked by COVID. He would have a lot of opposition from the get-go.
But now he comes in.
He has a House.
He has a Senate.
He's got a 6-3 Supreme Court.
In a way, he's kind of unstoppable right now.
And so the Democrats have ironically set themselves up Not to mention the fact that I think you're right.
This is a case where the right has become much tougher.
You notice the way that each appointment is now being vetted as if to say, look at the Senate leadership, for example.
It's like, we don't want some moderately right of center guy.
We want somebody who is in sync with Trump.
Right.
Because we're coming...
I saw RFK recently saying basic...
I think he said something like, on day one, his plan is to fire 1,600 bureaucrats.
I mean, to my knowledge, this kind of thing has never happened.
I was here in the country in the early days of Reagan, 1980.
Reagan comes in.
Of course, we had Carter.
And there was a tremendous appetite for change.
And Reagan took advantage of that.
I mean, he got some massive legislation through because people were just not in the mood...
They were in the mood to do bold things.
And I'm sensing for the first time in 40 years, that same mood is back in America.
I mean, not just Trump, but I think Trump 2024 is going to be very different than Trump 2016, when Trump admittedly was an outsider.
I mean, there's some advantages to being an outsider, but one of the disadvantages is you come into a cesspool, and you don't really know where all the piranhas are.
You don't really know how deep the swamp goes.
You think, okay, I can't trust the media, but sure, I can trust the FBI, can't I? I can bring in John Kelly as a general.
Generals do what they're told, don't they?
So this guy's going to be good for chief of staff.
I think Trump...
In a normal way, thought these things.
And I think he's realized the problems are much worse than he had even suspected.
Right.
I totally agree.
Now Trump knows.
Now, so he is going in it.
And I'm loving some of these appointments.
Yeah.
He's making some really great appointments.
But like you said, in the beginning, Trump did not know.
He did not know how deep the swamp was.
He didn't know how deep it was.
It was deeper than the ocean.
And it's still deep.
But now Trump is making some really great judgment now.
And he's listening to people who is warning him about others.
Because a lot of people right now on social media People in his circle are warning him.
Don't hire this person.
Don't hire that person.
And see, people like to call Trump a mean person.
Trump is mean, he's this.
But Trump is actually a really nice guy.
And he's also a forgiving guy.
Because he does give a lot of second chances to people who have...
In the past, he's given second chances to people who have, you know, stabbed him in the back.
Well, I mean, let's mention, too, just straight off the top, Megyn Kelly.
There was a lot of bad blood with Megyn Kelly.
Exactly.
Look at Marco Rubio.
There was some bad blood with Marco Rubio.
Oh, those debates.
Oh, man.
And who's the Secretary of State?
Rubio.
Exactly.
So, people who say, well, Trump is, you know, he's so petty.
He's not magnanimous.
It takes a magnanimous guy to go, you know what?
Yeah, Rubio.
He'll be fine.
Exactly.
But...
I think now he knows who to give a second chance to if he does work with somebody who has, you know, said something negative about him.
But Trump knows that it's politics at the same time, right?
Yep.
You know, when Trump is running against these guys, Trump is going to hit you hard, you know?
And I know Donald Trump, you know, he's been kind to me.
But if I ran against Trump, I'd be Tiny Terrence.
He'd be like, Tiny Terrence.
He will go in on me.
I'll have to drop out.
I can't be tiny no more.
I can't be tiny T no more.
And then we were shaking his afterwards.
I'll endorse him.
I endorse Donald Trump.
Terrence is such a great guy.
Everything is forgotten and forgiven.
In fact, Terrence has grown three inches in three last parts.
When you support Trump, you grow.
You know what else is interesting is that Trump's coalition is bigger now.
And I think this is a good thing because Republicans as a party are a little bit weak-kneed.
You see all this going on even in the House, even in the Senate.
But I think that this new infusion of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Right.
I love it.
I mean, these guys are not traditional Republicans at all.
And in fact, they come in with the...
Here's an example.
No other Republican, I think, would have said what Elon Musk said, which is basically you take a government, the size of government, and Musk goes, well, why don't we cut it in half?
Right now, you just have to step back and think about this for a minute.
Because when Republicans cut government, what they usually mean is trimming at the edges.
They don't mean taking an axe to the actual size of government.
Because a lot of that is already packed into all these entitlements.
So they've already considered, we can't touch those.
We're basically stuck with the discretionary aspect of government spending.
But that's not how Musk thinks.
The way Musk thinks is, listen, I got Twitter.
I fired 80% of the people there and Twitter is running better than ever.
So there's nothing to say that Twitter needed to have, you know, Twitter in the old days and all these people sitting around doing nothing.
Most of them were just kind of like on their phones, you know, and all getting paid rather handsome salaries living in San Francisco in lofts.
And Musk just basically goes, boom, you're out of here.
Yeah.
And now, whether that can be done to government is not going to be easy.
But what I love is the fact that they're at least starting there.
I mean, they're letting their mind go to the fact that there needs to be some real surgery.
I think it can be cut in half.
I mean, I was listening to Trump on Joe Rogan.
Joe Rogan was asking him, how many appointments do he make?
How many people do he hire?
You know, Trump said he'd make a number of appointments, but Trump said that, oh, like...
Normally it's like 10,000 people that are working for the administration.
You have all these departments and you have HUD. You have HUD in D.C., New York.
It's all spread out.
You got all these employees.
So you got all these different departments.
Trump said it's over 10,000 something people that are hired to work for the administration.
They're not all in D.C.
They're not all at the White House, but working in these different departments.
I think a lot of that can be cut in half.
Yeah.
I mean, you got to remember.
I mean, it's a lot of people.
A lot of these buildings, if you've been to D.C., of course, and you see these buildings, and they're gigantic buildings.
And there are thousands of people in each of those buildings.
And all the buildings have solemn names.
Oh, Department of Education, Department of Energy, Department of Housing.
And you only have to think for a minute and ask the question, you know, for example, how much energy is made by the Department of Energy?
And the answer is none.
How many people are educated by the Department of Education?
None.
In all these cases, Department of Transportation, how many people are being transported by the Department of Transportation?
Really none.
So these are bureaucrats Who run these departments, but they don't do any of what the department is supposed to do.
They are just leeches off of the taxpayer.
And so there does need to be a real...
The other thing that needs to happen, I think, besides the shrinkage for efficiency, which is what Elon Musk is focused on, is you look at places like the FBI. And I think Trump, when he came in, he probably thought, well, look, there probably are some bad guys in the FBI, like Comey at the top.
Right.
But I think he now knows that there's a corrupt set of incentives that go all the way down.
In other words, the ordinary agent has been getting memos that say, hey, listen, go find another January 6th protester.
Even if he was in the Capitol for five seconds or even if he didn't even go in, let's get that guy.
Don't worry about these sex trafficking cases.
They're not important right now.
Right.
Our priority is January.
So think about the ordinary guy goes, he goes, well, you know, if I get another January 6th guy, I get a bonus.
I get a commendation.
I'm like on the cool, on the inside of the FBI. I can retire with a pension.
So this is a way in which I think the left has insidiously rotted almost our entire government.
Right.
And so that's a big job ahead.
Yeah, it is.
You think Trump recognizes the magnitude of it?
I believe he does.
The left has abused their power.
Right.
And they've used it to try to take Trump down.
Yep.
This man was not guilty of 99.9999999% of the things that they accused him of.
But they knew that they could accuse him of anything, charge him with anything they wanted to.
And go after him?
Look at Letitia James.
He tried to take his whole entire...
His company.
Okay, she's not working for the federal government.
Of course, she's not working for the White House, of course.
She kind of is, in my opinion.
We know that they've had meetings.
They've had collusion.
They're coordinating, even if they aren't But even look at what she can do.
And she works for the state of New York.
She can literally charge Trump with business fraud for loans that he took out and paid back.
And say, well, he lied on the application.
Okay, did he pay the loans back?
Yeah.
So who's the victim?
I don't know.
But he need to pay us.
And then also, they knew his financials.
Trump is sitting on $500 million in cash.
So, the fund is going to be $500 million.
And if you don't pay up, we're going to take Mar-a-Lago.
And also, we're going to do this.
They devalued his Mar-a-Lago estate.
They devalued it because...
They were going to devalue all of his properties.
And that way they devalue and say, okay, Trump, if you don't come up with the $500 million, we're going to take Mar-a-Lago.
That's only worth like maybe $10 million.
That's maybe worth only, this building's only maybe worth only $500 million.
Devaluing everything so they can take everything.
They can take it all.
So they can take it all.
Say, well, you owe us this, so that means all your properties come to us.
How?
That's worth a billion.
That's worth more than that.
Not according to us.
Right.
And imagine, like, if she can do that, get away with that.
And she works for the state of New York.
Imagine what the FBI can do.
Imagine what the CIA can do.
Imagine what they can do.
We ain't seen nothing.
We haven't seen anything.
They can do that at a higher...
They're a beast with it.
I know Trump knows it's a lot of corruption.
They're going after him.
These special prosecutors.
What do y'all have on this man?
Nothing.
So Trump does understand that, and I think that's exactly why he's been a victim.
He's been a victim of an abuse of power, and now he sees that.
Now he sees that a lot of people in this country always talk about, oh, the justice system is not fair.
The justice system, they wrongfully convict people.
They wrongfully accuse people of things.
Trump now understands that.
Now he understands that, yes, they actually do.
They will actually go after you for absolutely no reason at all, just because they don't like you.
Or just because they want to meet a quota.
Just because they want to look cool and get a raise.
Or they want to stop you.
Exactly.
So he's going to clean house.
We'll be right back with Terrence Williams.
Back with Terrence Williams.
By the way, the website, guys, CousinTs.com.
TerrenceKWilliams.com is also Terrence's website.
And you can follow him on X at W underscore Terrence.
That's T-E-R-R-E-N-C-E. You know, Terrence, it kind of reminds me Of the movie, The Count of Monte Cristo, where this guy is falsely accused.
He's incarcerated for years.
And in fact, Jim Caviezel plays, a young Jim Caviezel plays the hero.
And then he comes out And needless to say, he's mighty pissed off because he's like, I am now going to devote myself to settling some scores.
And so, although the left goes, well, Trump is out for revenge.
I mean, you got to say that revenge to a degree is nothing more than an implementation of simple justice, right?
If some guy tries to frame you, ruin you, destroy your life, and is then not held accountable in any way, how can that be fair?
It's not even really revenge.
He's going after the corruption.
You guys are corrupt.
You guys wrongfully convicted this man of things he didn't even do.
You guys literally tried to take his life away.
You guys literally...
You didn't just try to assassinate him, but you've been assassinating his character for the last eight years.
You've been demonizing him for the last eight years.
I mean, these people are corrupt and they've been abusing their power.
That's not revenge.
This is not revenge.
He's making a correction.
He's going to go clean up house and correct all this mess.
That's what it is.
Terrence, when I think about MAGA and the MAGA spirit, I kind of think of you a little bit.
And what are we calling this, honey?
What's the name of this podcast?
It's called The Face of MAGA. The Face of MAGA. You're The Face of MAGA. And let me tell you why.
Because here you are, a guy who started out life in...
Were you in an orphanage?
Foster care.
You were in foster care.
You were bounced around from home to home.
Yep.
And one might expect that as a result of that, you would be...
Embittered, downcast, defeated, looking for explanations of why you can't succeed, looking for people to step in and, you know, society owes me because I haven't had the same shakes out of life as other people.
But nothing could be further from the truth.
You have a completely different orientation.
You are an entrepreneur.
So I want you to talk about how you went that way.
What made you reject the path of dependency and victimization?
What gave you the confidence as someone starting at the bottom of the ladder to say, I'm going to, you know what, I'm going to...
I'm going to go into comedy.
This is maybe new for my family, but I'm going to do it.
And then I'm going to start a company, and I'm going to sell stuff on the internet, and I'm going to sell stuff every which way, and I'm going to expand.
This is an incredibly forward-looking...
This is what will restore our country in the end, is people thinking like this.
It is the American dream.
Growing up in the foster care system, of course, there was a moment that I went down that path of, oh, everybody owes me.
Oh, why me?
Why me?
Why me?
Oh, my God.
Everything is everybody else's fault.
Now, when you're a child...
You have no control, really.
I am in custody of the state, or I'm in custody of somebody's home.
I'm a child.
But once you become an adult...
Regardless of what you've been through.
And I feel so sorry for people who've been through a lot.
I've been through a lot.
But once you become an adult, you are literally in control of your own life, okay?
Going forward, you're an adult.
You can make decisions for yourself now.
Now you know right from wrong.
And I can choose to say, okay...
Oh, well, I want to be on government assistance for the rest of my life.
But I wanted more for myself.
If you want more for yourself, you're not going to want to be on government assistance for the rest of your life.
You're not going to want to hand out because you will always be limited to what people just give you.
You always be limited to what the government is giving you.
And I wanted more for myself.
I eventually, you know what?
I want more than this.
I'm sick of, like, I got my hand down.
My hand getting tied.
I'm just on it.
Please!
Please!
You know?
And it's a little degrading, right?
Yeah, exactly.
Because think about it.
If you see a scene, you have one guy's walking down the street, another guy's sticking his hand out.
Is that the best I can do is have my hand out?
Right.
Is that my only capability?
Is to put my hand out?
Is that my talent?
Is having my hand out?
No.
You know, and I wanted more for myself.
So, you know, I have to look myself in the mirror and say, hey, you are in control of your life.
If you want something, go get it.
Go get it.
Go get it.
Is it going to be easy?
But in America, these are the statistics.
I don't care about no statistics.
I don't care.
If you want something, go get it.
Nobody ever said it was going to be easy.
No one said it was ever going to be easy at all.
And I have to realize that it's not going to be easy.
Do not give up.
Go for what you want.
And if I, hey, one day I want a big house.
One day I want this.
I want that.
How am I going to get that?
Not have my hand out.
I have to do something.
What do I want to do?
I have to figure that out.
And how did you figure it out?
In other words, you obviously saw that there was something about you that was funny because you said, all right, you know what?
I'm going to start in comedy.
I'm going to make people laugh.
How did you realize?
Because there are people who are like, you know, I know how to tell a good story.
When I tell my friends, they always chuckle.
But that's a long way from that.
If anybody said, do you want to hear a joke?
Just say no.
It's not going to be funny.
Yeah.
But now, see, I was a class clown.
So, and growing up, a lot of people was, Terrence, you're so funny.
You're so funny.
You are so funny.
I had a teacher in high school.
I was in this entrepreneurial program in high school.
We had like an entrepreneur class.
It was like one of the, what do you call it?
It was just like one of the extra...
Yeah, right, right.
Yeah, exactly.
So I was in that class.
And so that's where some of my entrepreneurial spirit developed.
But my entrepreneur teacher, she said, Terrence, she said, I normally don't even tell my students this.
But whatever you do in life, do not be behind a desk.
Your personality needs to be in front of people.
She said, you probably don't even need college.
And she said, and I don't even, she said, and I normally do not tell students that.
But she said, do not waste your life behind a cubicle.
Do not do it.
You need to be in front of people.
And if you decide to go into the workplace, be in front of people.
If you want to go into hospital, like if you want to.
She was in the hotel business.
She said, hey, if you want to go into the hotel business, you don't need to be the guy behind the desk.
You need to be meeting with people, convincing them to do things with the hotel.
You need to be talking to people.
You need to be talking with the executive.
You need to be part of the whatever.
She told me, just don't be behind the desk because you have a funny personality.
And a lot of my friends would say, you should get into comedy.
And I was like, you know what?
I was kind of scared to get into comedy at first.
Because I also have a speech impediment.
I grew up stuttering a lot.
I couldn't get a word out at first.
I used to have a speech therapist.
So I used to, I'm like, nah, what if I start stuttering?
What if people make fun of my speech impediment?
So it was a little insecurity.
I'm like, people probably, you know, I'm like, I can be funny around y'all, but on stage, I don't know about that.
But I decided to go ahead and do that, you know, just to get it, just to face my fears.
That's what people have to do.
Face your fears.
Face your fears.
If you want to do something, do it.
Do it!
If it doesn't work, then it don't work.
And sometimes if it don't work, figure out how to make it, whatever you're doing, make it better.
But sometimes things may not work at the moment, but it'll work eventually.
Work on your craft.
Work on perfecting whatever you are doing.
But I just decided just to go for it.
And that's exactly what I did.
I said, I'm going to just go get on stage.
Forget it.
I'm going to just do it.
Debbie has a friend.
He's a very funny guy, and he's extremely successful.
Guess why?
He decided to become a salesman, and he ultimately became a Viagra salesman, right?
Oh, wow.
Think about it.
Isn't this funny?
We're talking about a friend of Debbie's, and what it is is that he realizes that as a medical guy, because he actually represents Viagra, right?
Mm-hmm.
If you're a funny guy and you go to these hospitals and you make everybody laugh like crazy, they're like, we want to see this guy around next month.
You know what I mean?
So as a result, you don't even have to be on stage.
But what you're doing is you're looking at yourself in the mirror.
You're objectively saying, this is what I do well.
And you're saying, how can I leverage that and produce something that people actually want?
Exactly.
Whether it's goods, whether it's services, whether it's in the corporate sector, whether it's in the improv.
Just do it.
People just have to just do it.
Go for it.
It's that simple.
Yes, I come from the foster care system, but I was born in the best country in the world.
America, the land of the opportunities.
So, I have that privilege of being an American.
So, you know, you need to take advantage of that.
Like, you live in America.
Anybody can make it.
And so, I got into comedy, and I love food.
Everybody knows I love food.
I love food.
You know, that was one of my first jobs, working in the hospital.
I was passing out food trays.
I became a cook.
I love food.
I love eating.
And I love pancakes.
And I love Aunt Jemima.
They counsel Aunt Jemima.
I miss going to the grocery store, seeing her beautiful, big, black smile.
Everybody loved Aunt Jemima.
Everybody and their mama loved Aunt Jemima.
Black people, white people.
And they took her away.
The woke left, which I'm glad they're gone.
So I was pissed off and I came out with Cousin T's pancakes.
I don't want to eat nobody else's pancakes.
It was Uncle Mama or nothing at all.
So I came out with...
I said, you know what?
I love food.
And I said, you know what?
I've always wanted to own a food business.
So I said, what if I came out with my own pancakes?
And then I came out with Cousin T's pancakes.
And I didn't know how it was going to go, but it went really great.
It's a really great mix.
And then in honor of Trump, in honor of Trump and the movement, how we fought and never surrendered, I made a special edition box, Fight, Fight, Fight.
Oh my gosh.
Fight, fight, fight, pancakes.
And my never surrender syrup.
Never surrender syrup.
And we have to continue to fight and never surrender because the left is not going to stop.
But this was an honor of that, of us continuing to fight and never surrendering.
So I came out with this and people were already pissed off because I put my...
Blackface on a box.
Because people don't like blackfaces on food boxes anymore.
Or any kind of minority on a food box.
They remove that.
They remove the Indian lady, Uncle Ben, the guy from the motto meal.
They remove every minority face off of these food boxes.
So they don't like that.
There's something about a black person being on a pancake box which makes the left meltdown.
Listen, you must have a great life.
Like I said, these people have a great life.
This is how you know America is the greatest country.
Your biggest concern in life is a black person being on a pancake box in a Sarah bottle.
That's what you're losing sleep over?
Un-ja-mama?
That's your biggest issue in life?
That is what makes you stay up at night?
That's how you know America's the greatest country.
People have to create problems for themselves.
Absolutely.
Guys, I've been talking to Terrence Williams.
You've got to support his company.
It's called Cousin Tease.
Thank you.
CousinTease.com.
Terrence, what a great pleasure.
Great to have you.
Thank you.
It was great being on.
Great being on.
It's always great talking to Dinesh.
All right.
Thank you, brother.
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