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SHAM JUSTICE Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep844
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Coming up, it's guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty.
34 guilties, 34 counts.
And I'll lay out the sobering implications of these verdicts.
Debbie joins me. We're going to do our roundup, but we're going to talk more about this.
What does this verdict mean for Trump?
What is the impact on the 2024 election?
And what does this really say about America?
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Well, I gotta say, the moment I heard there was a verdict, I had a very bad feeling about it.
Why? Because at that point, there were really only two possibilities.
I had said earlier on the podcast that I thought the chance of a Trump acquittal very, very low.
Why? Because we're in New York.
You have a rabidly biased judge.
You have a judge that is doing his best to thwart the defense, prevent witnesses that could give exculpatory testimony, a guy who doesn't really care about being overturned.
He is just ruthlessly pursuing the guilty outcome.
And so, what's the chance of getting an acquittal under those circumstances?
You almost have to sort of do it despite the judge.
And juries, by and large, follow what the judge tells them to do.
And this judge kept a tight rein on this jury.
So, there were really two possibilities, a hung jury or guilty.
And a little optimistic part of me, a little hopeful part of me, a little part of me that believes in the American justice system said, all right, I know it's New York, but, you know, New Yorkers are actually pretty savvy.
And, in fact, Debbie and I were talking about this.
We're like, there's probably going to be maybe one, maybe two...
Of these New Yorkers who are like, I smell a rat.
I may not be the biggest Trump fan, but guess what?
This is a railroading.
This is ridiculous. This makes absolutely no sense.
But, no, we often find, and not just in the Trump case, we see this in January 6th cases as well, is that when you have a rabidly biased system, In which the prosecutor is winking at the judge, the judge is winking back.
You've got a jury that is in no sense a jury of your peers, but a jury really of your haters.
People who are like rubbing their hands with glee at the chance to get you.
This is a recipe for disaster.
This is a recipe for show trials.
And what do we mean by a show trial?
We mean by a show trial that there's not...
Impartial deliberation. There is not a sense of, hey, we're going after this guy, and we're going after him in the same manner as we would anyone else who did the same thing.
This was the key point, by the way, when my own case came up years ago, is I said, well, you know what?
I'm no expert on the campaign finance law.
I guess I did exceed the campaign finance law, so I should get whatever penalty goes to anybody else who did this.
And that's when the government, in this case the Obama administration, in this case the Southern District of New York, not so fast.
We're gonna go after you.
Don't worry about anybody else.
We're gonna do what we can to you.
And interestingly, We had a meeting with Trump after I got my pardon.
This was in the fall of 2019.
And I said to Trump, I said, you know, thank you, Mr.
President for the pardon. And he goes, you know, he goes, I knew your case was rigged from the start.
He goes, and now they're going to try to do the same thing to me.
And at that point, we thought it was a reference merely to the impeachment process.
And of course, there were impeachment, number one, and then impeachment, number two.
But I don't think that Debbie and I or Danielle, any one of us over there, thought that, you know what, Trump is actually going to be facing criminal liability that puts mine to shame.
And he's going to be facing serious prison time and they're going to use this as their weapon of choice for the 2024 election.
So now we're looking at Trump's fate being in the hands of a relatively lowly judge in New York.
He is presumably going to be out and free till July 11th, but then on July 11th, a mere days before the Republican convention, the judge imposes a sentence.
The judge could decide, listen, maybe I'll try to come across as reasonable and not give him any jail time.
He'll still be a felon.
He'll still be convicted of these 34 counts of felony and Take that into the 2024 election.
Or the judge might say, and I think Debbie is leaning this way, and her instincts are pretty good on these kinds of things.
The judge is vindictive.
The process is vindictive.
They're going to try to put Trump behind bars.
And that would then mean that you have a Republican convention...
Potentially without a nominee to show up.
You could have a presidential election with, at this point, the leading contender not being able to campaign or having to put out messages from behind bars.
All of this has now come to roost in America.
Who would have thought this would be the country we'd be living in?
And I think most of you are sufficiently alert.
You've seen police state.
You've seen what's happened to January 6th defendants, the merciless way.
I mean, you have January 6th defendants who have done nothing, no violent crime.
They pushed their way through a crowd.
They didn't vandalize anything.
They were in the Capitol for 15 minutes.
And you've got judges ruthlessly sentencing these guys to years in prison.
And they beg the judge and they go, I have a family.
I need to provide for my kids.
I didn't mean to do anything.
I was just trying to get accountability.
And the judge is like...
You did it. I don't care.
So this is happening not just to Trump.
It's happening not just to January 6th defendants.
It's happening to pro-lifers.
It's happening to moms who go to school board meetings.
It's happening to ordinary people in other walks of life as well.
And if it's not your freedom that's confiscated, they take your property or they impose such an onerous system of costs on you that you might survive the process, but you are completely crippled, you are financially devastated, and quite frankly, you're not even the same person at the end.
Your American dream is in shatters.
In fact, looking back, I'm actually very happy, very grateful that this didn't happen to me.
But looking at what's happening to Trump, I'm filled with, I don't really know how to describe my emotions.
Dismay, disgust, horror, outrage, a certain sense of compassion, because I feel like this guy did nothing to deserve this, to deserve any of this.
I mean, unless one is saying, okay, well, we're punishing him because, you know, he is a hard puncher, you know, when he posts on Truth Social.
He's not accused of that.
He's not being tried for that.
So you almost get the feeling that this is a pretext for going after this guy.
And it's all because he is running for office.
Ultimately, Trump terrifies the left like no one else.
And they are willing to go to any lengths on this guy.
What we are seeing today, yesterday, with this verdict, is nothing less than a kind of legal assassination attempt.
It is done under the cover of law.
But there's nothing lawful about it.
There's nothing lawful about it because it's quite obvious that no one else similarly situated would be facing any of this.
Even in Trump's trial involving the...
Valuation of his businesses.
The moment there was a verdict, the Attorney General Letitia James went running to the New York real estate community and basically said, Hey, listen, guys, don't panic.
None of this is going to happen to you.
This was a kind of a one-off on Trump.
We wanted to get that guy, and we got that guy.
The rest of you can breathe easily.
So the nakedness, the kind of brazen disregard for Lady Justice being blind, for the impartiality of law, all of this is right in front of the face of America.
And in some ways, I think what happens now is that the camera turns around and America's on trial.
America's on trial because of how we respond to all this.
Do we respond with a certain type of lethargic, well, you know, I guess this is the way it's going to be, and we just better watch our back to make sure that we're the wildebeest that the lion doesn't land on, or let's not resort to what the other side is doing, because after all, that will make us more like them.
This kind of goofballism is utterly out of place in this country now.
Because we are facing a real crisis of justice.
We are facing a real crisis of democracy.
It's not the one the Democrats are saying.
Democracy is threatened.
They're right about that. But it's threatened by them.
They are the threat.
They are the undemocratic party that is trying to turn us into a kind of banana republic in which we have one candidate campaigning, if you will, under a felon badge that the left has strapped around his neck and possibly even from prison.
It's a very sad day to be an American, but what I urge you to do is not to fall into a certain funk or Or just say, shake your head and go back to eating your breakfast.
Take stock of what is happening in the country now and think about how you can use your influence Much more than you have before to wake up your fellow Americans, to rouse the American people.
Let's remember, ultimately, we are the jury that will be delivering our verdict in November.
That's the ultimate. We are the ultimate jury.
And in the end, it is we who will decide not just the fate of Trump, but our own fate and the fate of the country.
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Chew on and digest overnight Taking to account this this verdict You kind of saw it coming a little bit you you had a bad feeling you said about it I did I had about I had a bad feeling about something happening to Trump like even even before you got your pardon as you know and I said, you know, they're gonna they're gonna find something to put him in jail They're going to find something to do something to him.
I don't know what, but something.
And so when this was brought up, I thought, okay, the best we can hope for is a hung jury.
And I was hoping for a hung jury because I thought surely one person is going to think this is ridiculous and this is a sham, right?
One person. That's all.
Well, my mind flashes back a little bit to that one woman who actually...
Excuse herself from the jury because she says, you know, I was pro-Trump.
I like things about Trump.
So I went to the judge and said, you know, maybe I can't be unbiased.
I mean, think about it. Do you think a single one of these jurors, all of whom probably came in with strong anti-Trump feelings, they're all like, oh, yeah, we detest Trump, but we can be objective.
Right. And so that woman could have made history.
Yeah. Well, here's the thing, too, though.
It seems, because I really, frankly, don't know what these counts were or what they meant or any of that, right?
Now, it seems to me that the judge kind of changed the rules of the game.
He did.
Midstream, right?
Well, he did because normally when you're laying out a criminal case, you have a theory of the case.
You say, this is what happened, and this is the crime, and let's say the crime is murder, or let's say the crime is bank robbery.
Here, because the altering of the documents was a misdemeanor, there had to be a felony.
You can't get 34 counts, you can't get four years per count if you don't have felonies involved.
So where are the felonies, right?
Well, turns out there really wasn't one.
So the judge goes, okay, there's some possible felonies.
And moreover, the judge tells the jury, Trump doesn't have to have actually committed the felonies.
He merely had to intend to.
So you can sort of read his mind, okay?
And so either he wanted to violate federal campaign finance law or state campaign finance law, or maybe he wanted to do tax fraud.
And this was the crusher.
You guys don't even have to agree on which it is.
Yeah, exactly. Not unanimous.
Four of you can go here, four of you can go there, four of you can go there, and I'm going to call it unanimous.
Yeah. So, what a travesty.
Oh, my gosh. I mean, look, I don't know.
You've told me that judges cannot be taken off the bench when they conduct themselves this way.
This guy is a tyrant.
Yeah. He has no business being a judge at all in America, maybe in Venezuela, maybe in Dominican Republic where he's from.
But you know, honey, I don't think it's a problem.
I mean, the problem is that the Washington, D.C. court is full of people like this.
They've got 30 merchants on the bench.
That's who all these January 6th guys are going before.
So what I'm getting at is that we have a systemic problem that is being driven all the way from the White House.
So the number three guy in the DOJ, Matthew Colangelo...
Left the government, joined the brag team.
So you have collusion.
You have Biden, you have brag, and then you have a judge.
And of course, the judge can't openly collude.
He can't talk to the Biden people.
But it's a wink-wink arrangement.
Of course it is. It's a wink-wink arrangement between the prosecution and the judge, the judge and the jury, the prosecution and the Biden administration.
So... I mean, this is a...
I think we have a lot of sense that justice is collapsing in America.
Of course, we made the movie Police State.
We give case after case after case.
But this is about as dramatic an illustration of how far it's gone.
This is about a dramatic example that we're headed towards Venezuela.
For sure. I mean, it is. It's a show trial.
It's a show trial. This is what they do to remove a candidate.
They either assassinate them or they put them in prison.
You pick. The people don't get to select them.
Or they cheat in the elections.
Right. Well, you know, I did for probably four months the Gulag Archipelago outlining the Soviet corruption, the prison camps all over the country.
And, you know, we often have a cartoon version of that in our minds.
We think, oh, they just grabbed some guy, they throw him in prison he's never heard from again.
In many cases with Stalin, he realized, I don't just have to grab my opponents.
I need to have a process.
I need witnesses. I need them to sign statements.
Ideally, I need confessions.
So the point to remember is that even in police states, the formality of law is observed.
It's not as if they just decide, I'm a dictator, I'm a monarch, end of story.
No, that is the actual outcome.
But they play along with the system to give a theatrical appearance of propriety.
And the same, if I'm looking now at all the reactions from the left on Twitter and other places, no one is above the law.
The problem is that the process itself has completely broken down.
You can't trust a judge.
Prosecutors are supposed to exercise some discretion and restraint.
No, you can't trust the jury.
I mean, think about it. They were able to get 12 jurors to sign on to this, even though if you go to pretty much any part of America, except maybe Washington, D.C., and you just get 12 guys at random, they're going to be all over the place politically.
Exactly. But not in this district.
Exactly. Well, you know, Trump, when he did the statement after, he said this is 6% for him, district.
So you know that it's completely full of Democrats.
I mean, you know that.
And you know that they weaponize justice.
I mean, that is... Look, if that wasn't enough with your case...
And this was starting with the Obama administration, which now I call the O'Biden administration.
But they weaponized the justice system in a way that only second to Hugo Chavez, what he used to do and what Maduro does, and all of these third world dictators do.
And if it is not stopped...
it is going to proliferate.
This is what people don't really see.
They think, oh, it's about Trump and maybe he's crosses the line.
But in this particular case, explain to me where this line was crossed.
You know, at the most you can say, well, I don't know if he did what he did with Stormy Daniels.
Yeah, I don't know if he should have done a payoff or not, but there is no crime here.
Let alone putting a man with a clean record into prison.
He's facing... You did the math.
136 years. Think of it.
They made all these payments.
So what they did was they took each payment and they call it a separate crime.
That's where you get the 34 counts.
That's why you can't be guilty of one and not another because obviously you made the first payment, you made the second, you made the third, you made the fourth.
So that's where you get the 34 felonies.
Then you take four years on each of these.
So... Can you imagine?
We're not... I don't know if Trump will get prison time.
Now, you think that the judge probably will imprison him.
I do think he will. Yes, I do.
I mean, I think...
Listen, I when the judge starts talking to the prosecution side differently than the than the defense You know, you're kind of like, okay, what is he up to? What is he orchestrating here? Right? What is he?
I mean, he acts like a member of the prosecution team He does. He absolutely does.
And so the fact that he kept threatening Trump, you know, I'm going to put you in jail if you speak.
I'm going to gag you.
So he only gagged Trump.
He didn't gag anybody else, right?
Right, right. Which that in and of itself should give you Like, room to, like, a pause, right?
Why is he doing that?
So if anyone thinks that this man is not going to...
I mean, I'm not saying he's going to give him 136 years, but I think he's going to put him in jail so that he cannot campaign, and so he can't debate.
And, you know, we were talking about this, and I said, you know, I wonder...
Just wonder if the old Biden administration knew that this was going to go down like this.
That they had this sort of in the bag.
That they had it in the bag. It's their constituency.
And this is why Biden agreed to do debates with Trump.
Because he knew there was not going to be Trump out debating, right?
So he was like, well, of course, if he's in prison, I can say I'm going to debate him.
But, you know, hey, too bad.
I mean, that would be, you know.
But look, we've seen from so many other areas.
I talked yesterday on the podcast about Fauci and COVID.
All kinds of things are known, suppressed.
Emails are deleted.
Tracks are covered.
People are working with each other to keep FOIA, Freedom of Information requests, from being fulfilled.
So the idea that they are capable of this, we know they are.
Absolutely.
We absolutely know they are.
So they have, look, let's look at it.
They have motive.
They have means. They have opportunity.
I mean, the normal elements of this collusion are all there.
And now there's a...
Let's look at this. The sentencing is in July.
I believe July 11th.
It's just a few days before the Republican convention.
I mean, that can't be an accident.
And I mean, this raises an interesting question we can take up as soon as we come back.
I mean, is there going to be an effort at the convention to displace Trump?
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Now, Dennis Quaid is going to be playing Reagan in the new upcoming, which I'm looking forward to, Reagan film.
It's going to come out later this summer.
In August, I think. In August, I believe.
And some of the people we've worked with in the past, John Sullivan and others, are involved in this movie.
And it's been many years in the making, so I'm excited to see it.
But anyway, Dennis Quaid was being interviewed by, I think it was Piers Morgan.
Yeah. And Piers Morgan asked him, are you voting, who are you voting for?
And Dennis Quaid, you know, was not reluctant at all.
I mean, you know, I kind of expected him to say that he wasn't going to say, but he's like, no, I'm going to vote for Trump.
And he goes, look, everybody can make their own decision and so on.
And what was interesting about Quaid was the reason he gave.
It wasn't inflation.
It wasn't the economy.
It wasn't Israel.
It was the weaponization of the Department of Justice.
So... This is something that Quaid is really alert to.
Right, right. And he goes, no, this party talks about the fact that they're protecting democracy.
They are the ones who are the real threat to democracy.
Now, interestingly, if you listen to Dennis Quaid, perfectly coherent statement.
Measured. Measured. He's not saying that there are no reasons to vote for Biden.
He's just saying, this is what I think.
This is what's important to me.
Contrast this with De Niro.
Yeah, and the thing is that he's not even hateful towards Biden, Quaid, you know.
He doesn't say mean things about Biden, but there are a lot of things you could say that are mean about Biden.
I mean, we could go – we could have a long, long list, but he doesn't go there.
He doesn't act like a maniac, but you – then you look at – You contrast.
You contrast that with De Niro.
De Niro is like a maniac.
He comes across like a lunatic.
Well, he comes out there, and before he even gets started, there obviously has some Trumpsters around, and they start yelling.
Oh, yeah. But right away, he goes full...
He says the F word to them.
He goes like, well, he says, you're gangsters!
Well, How are they gangsters?
I mean, they just don't like what he has to say.
I'm sure he doesn't like what they stand for.
And then De Niro says, and again, contrast the content of what on the one hand you're getting from Quaid and the other hand from De Niro.
He goes, if Trump is elected, he'll never leave.
Right. First of all, he left once.
He left once. By force, I have to say.
Well, I mean, not even by force.
I mean, in other words, they didn't have to send in the FBI to tell him Mr.
Burrino. I don't mean it that way. Yeah, you meant that he thought he won, but he still left.
Yeah. He's like, okay, the legal process didn't work out, and so I'm out of here.
Yeah. No, I mean, you know, when people like him, like De Niro and others, say that Trump is a tyrant and that he's going to, you know, never leave and he's going to run America to the ground because he's going to, you know, just be a tyrant.
Well, he really didn't do that before, like at all, right?
Right. In fact, in his own administration, he couldn't even tell them what to do.
Right. They were conspiring against him in all kinds of ways.
So I don't know how anyone can possibly say that he's a dictator or a tyrant.
How can you say that with a straight face?
Right. Well, they almost act as if, you know, because he thinks he won the election, this time he's going to come back and he's really going to be Mussolini.
And I think these guys like De Niro do believe it.
Do you really think they believe it?
Are they really that dumb?
I mean, really? Well, it's not...
Yes, they are. In De Niro's case, I would say probably, yeah.
But there are a lot of people who have this view who are not dumb.
Wow. But who are very fanatical, very insistent, and...
I mean, you have guys who are obviously pretty smart who think this, who think that Trump is going to be a tyrant, and they are...
I mean, there's a professor at NYU, I think she is.
She supposedly studies autocracy, and she's always drawing historical comparisons and bringing up the early Nazi movement and so on, looking for parallels.
At one point, there are a bunch of guys who show up in New York at the courtroom.
I think Vivek Ramaswamy was there.
And it turned out there were like four guys and they were all wearing red ties, right?
Now, it's very common to wear- You mean like the Republican color red?
Yeah, I was going to say, well, that, exactly, you know, red America, blue America.
But this professor was like, see, one of the features of autocracy is everybody has to dress like the dictator.
So since Trump wears red ties, they're wearing a red tie.
Well, you know, Trump sometimes wears blue ties, just so you know.
No, that's right. We've seen Trump in blue ties, of course.
And so, you've got this.
All right, let's talk about something a little different.
The Godfather. The Godfather.
Now, talk about De Niro saying gangsters.
Now, does he not recognize his own gangster, the Godfather himself?
Right. Let's talk about the gangster move by Joe Biden.
Oh my gosh. So, you know, I think most people know that Hallie Biden was married to, not Hunter.
To Beau Biden. He was married to Beau Biden.
She was married. She was married to Beau Biden, who is Hunter's brother, right?
And he died. I think he died in 2015 or maybe somewhere thereabouts.
Immediately starts dating Hunter Biden.
Okay. And so, apparently, there is, of course, there's a federal trial going on right now with Hunter Biden.
Well, it's about to start.
Yeah. And she is supposed to be one of the witnesses for the prosecution, I believe.
And so...
Well, it involves this illegal gun that Hunter had.
He's not allowed to have a gun.
He didn't disclose the fact that he has a gun.
And she apparently had some role in tossing the gun into a trash can or sort of disposing of the gun so that it wouldn't be connected and found and linked to Hunter.
And so Joe Biden pays her a visit.
Yes, pays her a visit.
Yes. And now the Biden people go, well, it's all in the up and up because they say...
You want me to say something?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so the White House pushed back...
On those observations.
Like, nonsense, right?
Saying that Joe made the visit because it was approaching the anniversary of his late son Beau's death.
Hallie was married to Beau from 2002 until his death in 2015.
She began dating Hunter in 2016, and while Hunter was in the process of separating from his then-wife Kathleen, Hallie and Hunter's relationship ended in 2019.
But, apparently...
The only reason that Biden went to go see her was because of the anniversary of Beau.
You were making the point as we're driving to the podcast.
You're like, wait, they were divorced.
And not only were they...
Well, maybe they weren't divorced.
Maybe they were separated by death.
But then a year later...
If she was that distraught about his death, why did she hook up with the brother?
Like... In short order.
Yeah, that was so weird.
Well, what that really shows is that she was not all that...
Devoted. Yeah, exactly.
Obviously, it was pretty easy for her to move on.
But more importantly, here's Joe Biden descending on a key witness in his own son's trial that is just about to start.
And you think it is to perhaps...
Intimidate. Either intimidate her or maybe even to...
To lay some suggestions about what she can say to help Hunter.
Yeah. No, I think it's all about Hunter and nothing about Beau.
I mean, I really do. I do think that Joe Biden...
You know, we always say that Joe Biden is not all there, that he is senile, this and that.
But he's a very corrupt individual.
And I think even in senility...
He's still corrupt.
And I think that he does know what's going on.
And he does know that Hunter faces prison.
Yeah, he's not so dumb.
He knows, like, look, we got to cover our tracks here.
So they did everything that they could to prevent this trial from taking place.
They tried to rig the DA. They tried to pressure the special counsel.
They did everything that they could to make this go away.
In fact, remember how close they were to a plea agreement?
And it was only because the judge looked at it and the judge goes, she says, I've never seen a plea agreement like this before.
You're just giving him a free pass.
And would you give anybody else a free pass?
Of course not. And the prosecutor is like, no.
So the judge is like, then I'm not signing off on this.
So it's finally coming.
So even on this minor issue of accountability, I mean, think about this.
This is like going after the mafia for a traffic ticket.
And even then, they're like, we're going to make this one go away.
And Joe is like on it.
But I mean, it's so...
I just don't understand how people don't see the blatant one-sidedness of all this.
You know, they wanna make Trump sound like he is just like such a corrupt individual, like he's just, he's so horrible, and yet the Biden family, I mean, really selling your country out?
You know what I think it is, honey?
It's gotta be this.
You know, when I first studied mathematics, they told me, I learned, this was like in second grade, that you have certain axioms, and an axiom is like something you start with.
You're not supposed to question the axiom.
So like, you can only draw one line between two points.
That's one of Euclid's axioms.
So you can build on that, but you start there.
That's a given. I think for a lot of people on the left and in the press, it's a given.
Biden is a decent man.
He's a little advanced in age.
He's struggling to hold the country together in difficult times with this horrible alternative Trump.
So everything is seen in the light of that.
Oh, his poor son!
You know, yeah, he made some money on some transactions.
Sure, Hunter tried to benefit from his leverage with his dad.
I mean, that's detestable, but it is understandable.
So they're always trying to explain, apologize, cover for him.
And to Trump, the exact opposite.
Right. And so that's why we always say things like, if you switch them around, but you can't switch them around because the axioms of Biden are not the same as the axioms of Trump.
I'm talking about the fourth and final group that came en masse to America in the early 18th century.
These were the people of the borderlands.
They are in America sometimes colloquially called the rednecks.
They settled the Appalachian Mountains and then pushed south and west.
You find them in places like Louisiana, Mississippi.
We have plenty of them here in Texas.
And who are these rednecks?
Well, as it turns out, we can think about just figures in our society and our culture.
Debbie and I were joking about this just a few minutes ago.
We were talking about, well, you know, Elvis was kind of a classic redneck.
He's descended from these borderlands people.
Think about Clint Eastwood.
But I'm actually even here less thinking about the real Clint Eastwood, even though I bet it does apply to him, but also the characters played by Clint Eastwood in Westerns.
The notion of the loner who kind of shows up in a town.
He's got no relations.
He doesn't bring his family.
He's just kind of a lone gunman.
And the question is, where does that kind of rugged, defiant individualism come from?
Certainly not from the Puritans, certainly not from the Anglicans, certainly not from the Quakers.
This is coming from somewhere else.
Well, this is the somewhere else that I am talking about.
Debbie was talking about, look at cowboys.
Look at the idea of, let's say, going in a rodeo.
Now, can you see, like, Puritans going in a rodeo, riding a wild horse that has the ability to throw you, or a bull, for that matter?
Absolutely not. Now, even though the Cavaliers who came to Virginia, the original Southerners, if you will, they were very skilled in horsemanship, but their idea of riding a horse was to ride a horse in a pattern, in a military campaign, or to ride a horse, well, I mean, you think about all these horse contests, horse races, the Kentucky Derby, that all makes sense from the Cavalier point of view.
But a rodeo, on the other hand, is something else, and that is a kind of distinctive invention of redneck culture.
Now, let's go back to these very same people in England.
According to the historian David Hackett Fisher, these people were constantly invaded and colonized, going back to ancient times.
So the Romans occupied them in the first century.
Then in the 6th century came the Saxons.
In fact, that's kind of where we get the term Anglo-Saxon.
Then the Vikings and the Irish came in the 10th century.
Then the Norman conquest in the 11th and 12th century.
The Norman conquest was the Norman kings of France conquered northern England and ruled it for a long time.
So these were people who were whipped, beaten, put upon, as they say, and they came from parts of England where civilization was, well, kind of the least developed.
There were battles going on back and forth and going on for centuries, even after the end of the Romans, after the end of the Normans, you now have civil wars going on inside of England, or wars between the English and the Scots and the English and the Irish.
For seven centuries, Fisher writes, the kings of Scotland and England could not agree who They meddle constantly in each other's affairs.
Scottish kings went to war against England.
English kings went to war against Scotland.
This continued for many generations.
If you've seen the movie Braveheart, That's what we're talking about.
We're talking about Robert the Bruce.
We're talking about William Wallace stirring up the local Scottish nobles to fight back against the king.
Edward comes with his...
King Edward and earlier King John send armies against the Scots.
Ultimately, the Scots win the Battle of Bannockburn 13-14 with Robert the Bruce.
So, the people being run over by these marauding armies, these are the borderland people.
And writes historian David Hackett Fisher, quote, The region never enjoyed 50 consecutive years of quiet.
Always fighting.
Now, the landscape.
You notice something really interesting and that is if you go to the northern part of England and you also look at the border of Ireland and Scotland, you will notice a very strange landscape.
First of all, it is a succession of barren hills and deep valleys.
So hills, but hills with like nothing on it.
And then deep valleys, sparsely settled mountain peaks, often rising high up into the sky, and then all the way to coastal towns on the Irish Sea.
If you look at that landscape today, and you take photos, and then you...
Switch, and you come to America, and you go into the Appalachian Mountains.
This is the western part of Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and then moving into the south.
It looks very much the same.
It's not identical, of course, but it does look similar.
And so, sure enough, the borderland people of England Moved to a landscape in America that they recognized, that made them, that seemed almost kind of familiar.
You know, when I first moved to Texas, to the sort of greater Houston area, I noticed that there were just a surprisingly large number of Indians in Houston.
And I thought to myself, that's really strange.
Why is that? Previously, I was in San Diego and, you know, you had Indians, but they just weren't all over the place.
And I thought, well, is it because Houston has a, is it high tech?
Well, it is, but not particularly.
Is it because there's a medical complex?
Well, yeah, in part. There are a lot of, of course, Indian doctors.
But then I realized it isn't just that.
It's the weather.
Houston is exactly like India.
It gets unbearably hot in the summer.
It's also humid.
It rains a lot.
India, of course, has the monsoon season.
So the Indians in this area feel kind of right at home.
And then, of course, because there are so many Indians, you get a lot of Indian restaurants, and then you get Indian food.
So kind of what I'm saying is, this is what happened to the Borderlands people.
They found a part of America that looked, quote, home to them.
And they're like, here we are.
And so this backcountry, a backcountry that for many other settlers was inhospitable, Indian-infested, somewhat dangerous, largely barren for the Borderlands people was just what they were used to, and they were right at home in it.
Now, This was a culture that in England, as I say, was not only oppressed, but as a result of oppression, developed certain cultural characteristics.
What is one characteristic that you develop when you're constantly in conflict or even at war?
Well, the answer is you have to be mobile.
You cannot build a settled house that can be raided and pulled down, and then you've got to start from the beginning and put it back up.
It's much easier if you have a shack or something that, you know what, someone knocks it over, three weeks later you put up a shack someplace else.
Why? Because the basic materials you already have, the know-how you already have, and it's a pretty simple dwelling in the first place.
So that's what these rednecks got good at.
The other thing about it is that when you are facing constant invasion, there are informants from England trying to get information on the Scots and vice versa.
As a result, you become very distrustful.
You trust nobody.
You certainly don't trust authority.
Well, the king hath decreed.
Oh, you got to be very careful when you hear that because that's usually not good news for you.
And so in that situation, a world of treachery and danger...
The historian David Hackett Fisher writes,"...blood relationships become highly important.
Families become extended families, and extended families become clans." That's why we use the Scottish term clan.
A clan is kind of a tribe.
It's a group of extended relatives.
And because they're related to each other, they can trust each other.
Like the old saying,"...blood is thicker than water." And so fidelity to family, fidelity to your clan becomes supreme.
You value the people around you much more than you value England or Scotland.
You don't have a great attachment to some centralized authority, not even necessarily to the country as a whole.
Your loyalty is tribal.
Your loyalty is local.
One of the messengers for the king, who was trying to keep peace among these borderline people, he writes, quote, They are void of conscience.
Not true, but that's how he saw it.
The fear of God.
They are fearless. And he says, They are so linked in friendship by marriage, and all or most of them of one flesh.
They're all relatives. They've all intermarried each other.
Ending to make their gain by stealing.
They're thieves. That of a hundred felonies, scarcely one shall be proved.
The king's man is basically going, once the rednecks are up to something, they won't tell on each other.
Who did it? Not me, not me, not me, not me, not me.
So he goes, you can have a hundred crimes.
We can't even probably prove one of them.
So these are a proud...
Distrustful, defiant people and yet they have a decisive impact in shaping a whole swath of American culture to this very day that stretches through the middle-leaning southern part of the country starting all the way in Pennsylvania and starting all the way in West Virginia and going right across the country It doesn't just cover Louisiana or Mississippi or Texas.
You find this culture in Arizona.
You find it in New Mexico.
And you find it in the inland part, even, of California.
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