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Coming up, I'll play the trailer and introduce the main themes of the film, Police State, and tell you why it's urgent for you to help me share the message while time remains.
I'll reveal how Kevin McCarthy got the idea.
Hmm.
Hmm. America needs this voice.
The times are crazy, and a time of confusion, division, and lies.
We need a brave voice of reason, understanding, and truth.
This is the Dinesh D'Souza Podcast.
Guys, I'm really excited about the new official trailer for Police State, and you might have seen it on one of the other social media platforms, but I want you to see it here, so watch.
Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic.
Chief Division Counsel and DOJ have approved a no-knock breach.
We want the subject to be on display.
Doing the walk of shame, full visual impact.
Any questions? Are we becoming a police state?
Government told American citizens they couldn't go to church on Sunday.
I've never seen anything like it.
It may be the Russia other people grew up in, but not my America.
FBI warrant! Come to the door now!
There's a heavy banging at my door.
Open up! It's 15 marked units on my property.
I got SWAT in the back of my house.
It took a battering ram.
At 6 a.m., I hear boom, boom, boom, and hear about six to eight military-style soldiers with the tallest one of them pointing an automatic rifle at my head.
FBI, we have an arrest warrant!
Shock you out of sleep, drag you out of your house, have clothes, refuse to give you a warrant, ransack your house.
Now I'm facing 15 years in federal prison for doing nothing other than exercising my right to free speech.
I had no reason to be attacked.
I hope that you remember Matt's name and the role you played in killing him.
How did we give the state this kind of power?
9-11 changed everything.
We're going to expand the Bureau from law enforcement to domestic intelligence.
Legal shackles are now off.
It used to be Islamic terrorism.
That threat has kind of dissipated.
Our focus is shifting.
They're moving to domestic extremism.
It really paints anybody who's right of center.
What we need is a person to look at it.
And then we go find out what crime you did.
If you're a pro-life, pro-family Catholic, they define you as radical.
The demand for domestic terrorism vastly outstrips the supply.
When candidate Trump came down the escalators, the government had a meltdown.
We are going to drain the swamp.
We'll see about that.
You take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.
The Patriot Act and FISA were used against Donald Trump.
Google literally rewrote their news algorithm based upon what Trump was doing so they could get this guy.
You just take out the word Russiagate and you put in COVID origins.
You take out COVID origins and you put in Hunter Biden's laptop.
You take that out and you put in January 6th.
It's the replicated play from the deep state and their partners in the media.
They're not just deplatforming you.
They are trying to throw people in prison.
If they're coming for me, they're coming for you.
Hands on your head! These are anti-government.
We are free! We can do anything we want.
Police State.
Exclusively in theaters October 23rd and 25th.
Tickets sold only on policestatefilm.net.
Wow, I hope you, I was going to say enjoyed that, but I'm not sure enjoyed is the right word because it's a creepy film.
It's a scary film, but it's scary because of its subject.
There are lots of scary things happening in the United States today.
And the film is a sort of a warning.
And the warning is that there is a window in which we can obstruct, we can block, we can roll back the police state, but that window is not permanent because we have to do it while time remains.
Once time has run out, and it's impossible to set a date on that, but once the jaws of the police state slam shut, Our options are much more limited.
Well, what can you do then?
Resistance becomes almost futile.
Perhaps the only thing at that point you can do, and it doesn't always work, is run, is flee, is get out of the police state.
And even that is a precarious and dangerous enterprise if the experience of people trying to flee North Korea or flee the old Soviet Union is any indication.
Now, the movie is going in theaters two days, October 23rd and 25th.
Tickets are selling fast, so jump in and get your tickets now.
It's really a fun film to see with other people.
So round up your extended family or put up a notice in your church and get a bunch of people to go with you or go with your Republican or conservative group.
This is a film to see with some like-minded people that are going to be able to engage with you about it right afterward.
And we've bought out hundreds of theaters.
You go on the website, policedatefilm.net, you put in your zip code, and boom, it'll tell you the theater is playing near you, so this is the time to move.
Don't wait till the end, because then tickets are scarce.
You're like, oh, I can't get that. I really wanted to see this in the theater, and you won't be able to.
There is another way to see the film.
If the theaters are too far away or you're not able to go those days, no problem.
It's called the virtual premiere.
Now, this is a spectacular event.
We had it for 2,000 Mules.
It's out of a studio in Las Vegas called the War A Studios.
We have some incredible live music that relates to the film and the themes of the film.
We'll play the full movie and afterward a live Q&A with Dan Bongino and me.
So all of this... For the price of a movie ticket.
So it's a great deal. And of course you can watch with your wife or you can watch with your family.
You can watch at home.
Now this event is Friday, October 27.
It's the first time that you can nationally watch the film anywhere and watch at home.
Again, tickets in the same place.
By the way, You can't get tickets for any of this by going to Fandango or going to theaters.
No. All the tickets are off the website.
The only place to get tickets.
And so the website? Policestatefilm.net.
Not.com. Policestatefilm.net.
So sign up. But also help us get the word out about this film.
Why? Because I want the film to hit a critical mass so that even the independents hear about it.
Everyone's talking about this film.
Gotta go see it. And even the liberals who would like very much to pretend it doesn't exist, pretend that they can just ignore it, be forced to pay attention.
If even only to attack it.
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I gotta say I was a little surprised.
Debbie's like, Kevin McCarthy is out.
He's been ejected.
And I didn't quite see it coming because I knew that the way things were shaping up, McCarthy did have the vast majority, not just the majority, but the vast majority of the Republicans in his camp.
So I thought that the Matt Gaetz enterprise to vacate the chair would probably fail.
And I thought, well, the other option for Kevin McCarthy is to try to get some Democrats to support him on the grounds that the Democrats would prefer a speaker like him to maybe a speaker like Gaetz or somebody else more like Matt Gaetz.
But as it turned out, The Democrats did not rally behind McCarthy.
They voted against him.
And that meant that Matt Gaetz only needed to get a handful of Republicans, and he did.
So he just got seven Republicans to vote against McCarthy, but that was enough.
And so the final vote was 216 to 210.
And for the first time in history, the House of Representatives voted to remove the Speaker.
And now there's a...
Well, I guess there's a scramble.
Now, ironically, when Matt Gaetz stood up to speak about why McCarthy should be removed, he said McCarthy should be removed because McCarthy has been colluding with the Democrats.
And he was talking about the fact that McCarthy had made a deal and he got a lot of Democratic votes to do it.
To keep the government open.
And from Matt Gaetz's point of view, that means to continue to waste money, to continue to bankroll Ukraine, to continue to do all this stupid stuff that's putting the country in a very bad situation fiscally and financially.
And Matt Gaetz goes, enough is enough.
This guy... This is his big phrase.
Nobody trusts Kevin McCarthy.
Kevin McCarthy, Matt Gaetz had even said separately, has basically become the Republican speaker who is beholden to the Democrats and is in fact working for the Democrats.
Now, I should say that most Republicans, including by the way, people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert, people that you'd consider normally to be in the Matt Gaetz camp, they certainly are MAGA Republicans.
They don't agree with Matt Gaetz on this.
In fact, they voted with Kevin McCarthy.
They voted to keep Kevin McCarthy in his position.
And so it was a motley group of seven Republicans that decided to, that his time had come.
That turned out to be sufficient.
I was a little surprised to see Nancy Mace, who is often considered to be kind of a moderate, someone who's been actually on this podcast, vote along with Matt Gaetz to oust McCarthy.
So the big question has now shifted to McCarthy's like, I'm out, I'm not gonna try to get my speaker job again.
So the question is, who's it gonna be?
And this is not an area where I claim to have any kind of inside expertise.
It was a long time ago when I was in Washington, D.C. that I followed, you know, who's up and who's down and how the vote count might fall out.
I don't do that anymore.
I try to focus more just on ideas, on issues.
And so I'm not the person to ask, but...
If I were to bet someone were to say, Dinesh, listen, you have the power.
You can nominate the new House Speaker and this guy will have the job.
Who would you nominate?
And I know the answer to that question.
I would nominate Jim Jordan.
Why? Because I think Jim Jordan is Sufficiently conservative to be able to have the confidence and trust of all the solid conservatives in the Republican Party.
But he's a very genial guy.
He gets along with everybody.
He's easygoing. He listens to people.
So I think he would be able to work with the full spectrum of Republicans.
This is the key. And this is, by the way, true also on the Democratic side.
I mean, one of the effectivenesses of democratic leaders like Nancy Pelosi is that they are very leftist in their politics, but they sound a more centrist tone, and thus they're able to keep everybody in their camp.
This is kind of what we need.
We need to have Republican leaders that are very solid on the conservative principles, but at the same time are guys that are go-along, get-along guys.
They've got the Reaganite cock of the head.
They crack a joke.
They're somebody who can meet you halfway.
They're also pragmatists.
In other words, they're conservative in their goals, but pragmatic in how they go about it.
So the candidate of my choosing would be Jim Jordan.
Now, I don't know if Jim Jordan wants it.
I don't know if he's put his hat in the ring.
What I read is that Steve Scalise, who was Kevin McCarthy's number two, is now seeing himself as kind of the heir apparent.
He's going around looking to see if he can garner the support.
My guess is that he probably can.
So while Jim Jordan is...
I prefer if I had to make a sort of a prediction or do some betting on who I think is going to get it, I guess I probably would put my money on Scalise.
In other words, I think it's more likely that Scalise, as the number two Republican after Kevin McCarthy, We'll be able to mend fences with at least some of the people who voted against McCarthy, be able to corral a majority and become the next House Speaker.
Of course, we'll see. We certainly do need an effective Republican House.
I mean, there's all kinds of important legislation.
Equally important, if not more important, are the investigations, the Biden impeachment inquiry.
We need an effective leader.
So I'm calling on Republicans to please give us one.
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I've been watching all these different cases involving Donald Trump and I want to talk a little bit just about the Trump predicament.
Now this Trump predicament applies a little bit to me because I am trying to get a date on the calendar to show Trump the The new film, Police Date.
And the Trump team is like, yeah, we're trying to find a date, but look at all the stuff that's going on.
And I'm like, yeah, I totally get it.
It is insane.
You've got multiple cases.
You've got Trump in court right now.
You've got this judge in New York.
I call him the laughing judge.
He's the guy who takes his glasses off and poses for the cameras.
And then Trump is blasting this guy as a degenerate.
He's blasting him as a judge who should be criminally tried himself or certainly ejected from office.
And then Trump more recently had a blast against the clerk.
The clerk of the court who evidently is a leftist, probably like the judge.
I mean, these people move in the same circles.
And so Trump posted a photo of the clerk with...
Was it Schumer?
Chuck Schumer? And, you know, made some sly reference to the clerk being Schumer's girlfriend.
Not meaning that literally, I think, but meaning that in a political sense that, hey, these people all hang together.
And I think Trump's point is they're all together trying to hang me.
They're trying to keep me off the ticket.
This is election interference and it's election rigging.
It's more than interference.
It's an effort ultimately to take the leading candidate of the opposition party and incapacitate him one way or the other.
And to some degree, you have to say that it's already working.
It's working. Why?
Because Trump is kind of Gulliver style, completely tied down.
He's got to go to this.
He's got to go to that. I'm sure that it's a massive financial drain.
Some of Trump's political fundraising is being used to pay for these cases.
It is allowed to do that, but of course it means that's money you can't spend to get your message out and to, quote, run for president.
So this is a very ugly situation, but it's an ugly situation that's created by design.
Now, This would be bad enough if there were a single or a handful of plotters who said, okay, you know what, let's indict Trump on the Mar-a-Lago documents, the classified documents, but think of the number of people who have to be involved in this sort of let's get Trump scheme.
You have the Fannie Willis crew.
So a whole group of attorneys are conspiring against Trump in Georgia.
Then you have Jack Smith, the special prosecutor, the special counsel, and two cases are coming out of his office.
So he's got a massive office with probably two separate groups of attorneys, one working on the classified documents case, the other working on the January 6th case.
Then you've got the Alvin Bragg case in New York.
Then you've got the case brought by...
The Attorney General Letitia James.
I mean, think about it. You got an Attorney General campaigning that, please, if you vote for me, the one thing I will deliver is I will get Trump.
I will criminally charge Trump.
She spent years trying to find out how to go about it.
She actually failed. She wasn't able to find a way to criminally charge Trump.
So she's like, okay, well, what's the next best thing?
The next best thing is to go after his business to try to destroy him financially.
Now, the Trump empire, if you will, is in Florida.
Part of it is abroad.
I believe he has a golf course in Scotland.
He has properties on the West Coast.
But the heart of his business is New York.
And Eric Trump, Trump's son who runs the businesses, is based in New York.
And so the case here is brought against Trump and the Trump sons as if they are all part of a scheme to inflate the value of their own business.
Now, what does this really matter?
I mean, to some degree, it's merely a matter of boasting, right?
You find two rich guys.
One guy goes, I'm worth $2 billion.
The other guy goes, I'm worth $3 billion.
At one point, I remember having a discussion with some of the people at Forbes.
This is Forbes magazine, the people who put up the list of the 400 richest people in the world.
And they were discussing Trump's net worth, and they said that Trump's net worth is a little harder to classify than anyone else's because he has huge assets in his reputation, his name.
His name is known worldwide.
He is one of the, well, perhaps today the most famous person in the world, but he's certainly one of them.
And that's worth more than some other guy who may have the same amount of money as Trump, but nobody's ever heard of him.
And he's only big because he's, you know, let's say, for example, discovered a new way to manufacture plastic or discovered a new widget somewhere.
So the reputational value of Trump's businesses is significant.
Now, all of this only matters if Trump is going to a bank and saying, I want a loan, but I'm worth so much.
And the bank gives him the loan and then he's not worth that much.
And so he doesn't have the collateral and he can't pay the loan.
But in this case, he did pay the loan and he paid the interest and the loan is long settled and Trump has moved on.
So what they're doing is it's almost like here they're digging up a grave of a transaction that has been successfully consummated.
And they're going back and going, well, nevertheless, all the elements of this transaction weren't present.
You exaggerated your net worth when you got the loan, even though you paid back the loan.
What kind of madness is this?
This is the kind of stuff that Trump is dealing with.
if Trump seems to be going nuts on these people, it's because before that, they have been going nuts on him.
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I'd like to talk about who is going to replace Senator Dianne Feinstein as the Democratic Senator in California.
Now, Feinstein, as you know, hung on to this job for dear life.
And I mean that almost literally.
Feinstein, it seems, had essentially lost all her faculties.
She was...
Well, these days we have to use a basis of comparison.
She was, like, more gone than Biden.
And she was...
I don't know if she knew who she was.
I read somewhere that her daughter had already been appointed her surrogate, had the power of attorney over all of Dianne Feinstein's affairs.
And that's something that you normally turn over when somebody is incapacitated or they die.
And yet, Dianne Feinstein was still serving on the Judiciary Committee, still serving in the Senate.
And this had become, I would say, beyond the point of embarrassment.
Now, why Dianne Feinstein didn't step back, I'm not really sure.
I'm not sure if this was just Dianne Feinstein's manic hunger for power.
I refuse to go anywhere.
I'm going to be carried out of here.
That could be it.
It could be that for some reason the Democrats made a calculation that if Dianne Feinstein gets off the Judiciary Committee, they at least temporarily lose a vote.
The new person, by the way, has to be seated on the committee.
So I don't know if they decided we're better off just telling her how to vote regardless of whether or not she knows what she's voting for.
Anyway, the death of Dianne Feinstein did, in fact, clear that seat.
Democrats believe in dead voters, but I don't think they believe in dead senators.
And so there's a question of who's going to be next, who's going to be the new Dianne Feinstein.
Now, Dianne Feinstein was not the furthest to the left.
She was a left-winger, left of center, to be sure, but also pro-military and moderate on some issues.
We're not going to get that.
The person replacing her is going to be worse.
And there was some talk which I refuse to take seriously, but there's an article in the New York Post about it.
Senator Meghan Markle?
And I was like, no, don't go there, please.
But we're in such a crazy environment that it's not outside the realm of possibility.
I was like, seriously? And of course, the article is really not about the Democrats are considering Meghan Markle.
It was more about, does Meghan Markle really want the job?
Does she want to throw her name into the ring?
And again, this Meghan Markle is so deluded, I wouldn't be surprised if she did.
I think the two serious contenders were, and I say were because Governor Newsom has picked his replacement, picked her replacement, Feinstein's replacement, but the two contenders were really Adam Schiff, who I understand was kind of the Nancy Pelosi candidate, and the other was Newsom's pledge, I'm going to name a black woman.
So now...
I suppose one possibility would be for Adam Schiff to say, hey, listen, I'll transition and become a woman.
I'll then also identify as black.
Here you go. We got a black woman, you know.
No longer Adam Schiff.
You probably have to change his name.
Eve Schiff. Eve Schiff is the new African-American woman who is now the senator from California.
But anyway, Adam Schiff didn't do any of those things.
And so Newsom goes, well, sorry, you're not black and you're not a woman.
So I'm going to go with Lafonza Butler.
And Lafonza Butler is a far leftist.
She's a pro-abortion fanatic.
She headed this group called...
Emily's List, which is an abortion advocacy group.
And she's a labor leader, a kind of a street fighter in the political sense.
And more importantly, she is not only black and a woman, but it turns out also a lesbian.
And this is really in the sort of weird Democratic Olympics.
You achieve a crown of victimization by scoring a lot of points on the victim scorecard.
Not enough to be black. That's like one point.
But the black guy can be trumped by someone who goes, you're black, but I'm black and a woman.
So you're a victim of racism, but I'm a victim of racism and sexism.
So I'm a twofer.
I trump you.
I need to get the job.
And then Lafonza Butler comes in and goes, actually, it's me.
I'm a threefer. Because I'm not just black.
I'm not just a woman. I'm also a lesbian.
So, I mean, think about how degraded democratic politics have become when these are the credentials.
These are the things that...
And Newsom is open about it.
I'm going to appoint a black woman.
Now, this is not to say that he's saying I'm going to appoint somebody who's unqualified.
But if you take someone who's qualified...
And you say, I'm appointing them because they're black and because they're a woman.
What does that do to their qualifications?
It makes it pretty clear that their qualifications are not the reason that they're getting the job.
Qualifications are not the reason that Kataji Jackson is on the Supreme Court.
That's because Biden goes, I'm going to nominate a black woman.
And so I'm nominating you for those reasons.
Those are the assets, if you will, that you bring to the job.
And the same is true here in California.
So we're going to be dealing with Senator Butler, an improvement over Dianne Feinstein?
I think not.
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Feel the difference. Guys, I'm really happy to welcome back to the podcast a friend of ours, Kevin Sorbo, actor, director, producer.
We're going to be talking about his new film, Miracle in East Texas, but a little bit about Kevin Sorbo.
He played the lead role in Hercules, The Legendary Journeys, which became the most watched TV show in the world.
He's been in over 90 movies and TV shows, and you've heard of him, God's Not Dead, Soul Surfer, Reagan, Two and a Half Men, Hawaii Five-0.
And the new film, as I mentioned, Miracle in East Texas.
Hey Kevin, good to see you.
I believe you're, did you say you just gave a speech?
You're in Orlando? I did.
I did a prayer breakfast speech this morning here.
And a great crowd, about 600 people.
It was good fun. And I'm actually on my way, I leave from here, to fly to Salt Lake City.
I'm doing a mini-series, a documentary on Jesus' life.
On the set of The Chosen up there.
So I'm looking forward to do that.
We start filming early tomorrow morning.
Oh, wow. That's awesome.
That's good stuff. What do you make, Kevin?
You're sort of watching from a director and actor's point of view.
I mean, we've got quite a movie going on in Washington DC, wouldn't you say?
In other words, what is this?
Is it a horror film?
How do you read it from a cinematic point of view?
You know, not that there's only enough divisiveness between both parties.
Now we've got the Conservative Party dividing each other even more.
I mean, it's really crazy what's going on in our country right now.
And, you know, as for me, I've always been, my biggest thing is, I think apathy is one of the biggest killers of America.
But I also think another thing is...
Is mail-in voting.
I keep saying, why are the conservatives not getting rid of mail-in voting?
And I know we can talk a long time about that, but to me, I had to throw it out there because obviously you can cheat with mail-in voting.
You did a movie about it, so you know that it exists and it's real, but for some reason, we let the powers that be.
It's supposed to be we the people, but they live in their own bubble in D.C., just like Hollywood lives in their own bubble, and they don't deal with reality.
They deal with falseness and lies because, as you know, truth is kryptonite to these people.
Do you think, Kevin, that this division, which seems to have reached a fairly deep point over the last several years, is it something that can be repaired?
Is it something that can be healed?
Or do you think it's a permanent or a semi-permanent feature of our politics going forward?
Well, I think the extremes on both sides of the political aisle, that's going to be tough, but I think the majority of people, I think the majority want to heal the nation, and I really do.
I think both sides have a lot of common traits and common beliefs, and whether it's morality, whether it's, you know, the difference between right and wrong, but it's, once again, it's the press, you know, the The press has such a big hand on the liberal side, and they've created this indoctrination of our kids from kindergarten all through the university system now.
So it's a tough road to follow, but I'm hoping and praying to be optimistic that the conservatives that are true conservatives are willing to fight this fight in a positive way and not just worry about themselves getting re-elected all the time.
Kevin, let's talk about the new film, Miracle in East Texas.
Yeah, let's look at that.
Wow. So, Debbie was saying and chatting with you a moment ago and saying that it's a film that is, it almost can be put in multiple genres.
And in fact, it's being recognized in multiple genres.
So, talk about its recognition first, but then talk a little bit about what the film is about.
Well, it's won 10 film festivals already, and it's won everything from Best Romantic Comedy to Best Judge's Favorite, Audience's Favorite, Best Faith-Based Film.
They can't really pigeonhole it, which I love.
It's a wonderful movie. It's a true story set in 1930 that deals with the largest oil find in the history of the world.
It's about two con men, played by myself and John Ratzenberger.
I directed this movie as well, that went through Oklahoma and Texas.
Wooing widows out of their money on fake oil wells.
They would sell 500% of their shares, declare dry hold, move on to the next town.
They get to Kilgore, Texas, they strike oil.
Largest oil find, as I said, ever at that time.
And they get arrested, of course, because you can't have 500% of anything.
And while they're awaiting trial, all the widows from Oklahoma and Texas come to watch these guys hang.
But it's a wonderful story what happens during the trial and after the trial.
And we got Lou Gossett Jr.
We got John Ratzenberger, we got Tyler Mayne, my beautiful wife Sam Sorbo's in it.
And there's a court scene where she just totally steals the scene.
It's a fantastic near ending of the movie.
And it's just a great movie.
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You can see the trailer there as well.
I mean, it sounds like a film that's going to make you laugh.
It's a film that's going to have suspense.
It's a film that's inspirational.
I mean, it's got all the elements of a real winner of a movie.
When you decide to take on a movie project, is this what you look for?
Is there kind of an ideal combination?
And you go, this has all the elements.
Yeah, this is the one I'm going to do.
Well, you know, I've been doing movies certainly the last 10-12 years that Hollywood used to make.
Movies that had the good guy winning.
Movies that had positive moral values.
Movies that had character development that people could relate to and understand.
Today's Hollywood, all they want to do is do another video game really with these movies.
I mean, most of the time, these actors are just on green screen, and they have to do all these different things with visual effects.
I fell in love with acting as a young age, watching these old movies from Hollywood's golden age, certainly from the 30s, 40s, and 50s.
And that was because of my mom.
And I love doing movies that have real storylines.
I walk out a lot of these Hollywood movies, they want to think they're so woke.
I mean, Disney's going to lose a billion dollars this year because people are tired.
Of the subject matter they put out there.
I want to do movies that make people laugh, cry, think, and come out talking about the movie after the movie's done.
And that's hopefully what this movie will do.
People will love this movie, trust me.
I'll be right back with Kevin Sorbo.
The film we're talking about, Miracle in East Texas.
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Get 35% off your first preferred order by using discount code AMERICA. I'm back with producer and actor and director Kevin Sorbo.
We're talking about his film Miracle in East Texas.
Kevin, you mentioned a moment ago that Disney will lose perhaps a billion dollars this year.
Now, why would a company do that?
In other words, what do you think the Disney executives who do all this stuff, is it that social change genuinely matters more to them than keeping their shareholders and their company afloat?
I read that there's a shareholder that is suing Disney right now because it's saying that if I had known you're going to make movies like this, I would have pulled out my stock a long time ago.
So I wish I could understand.
To me, it could only be on purpose.
It's just like the Biden administration is doing with this incredibly open border.
Where we're bringing in 7 million people that don't deserve to be here.
I mean, it's unbelievable that they're not doing it on purpose because it's so blatant in front of us.
But here, once again, I say apathy is the biggest killer in America.
Why are Americans not standing up more for the ridiculousness of not only what Disney's putting out there, but what we're letting across into our border from the South?
It's weird to me, so it has to be on purpose.
Because I can't think of any other reason why.
They want to destroy America for whatever reasons.
It's all about widening that gap between the powerful and the poor and getting rid of the middle class.
It's just all part of it. And they're doing it in movies, doing it in television shows.
Speaking of Disney, Walt Disney in the 1950s said movies and television will influence our youth.
Well, Walt was completely right.
And I think he's flipping his grave what Disney is doing to his name.
I mean, I think what seems to be happening is that you've just got all these young people who maybe go to art school or film school and they all end up as animators and they're working in Disney.
I wonder if it's internal pressure that's coming through the company.
I mean, it could be, of course, that the CEO himself is a leftist, but it could also be...
Because I know that this is true in the publishing world.
A lot of the publishers, the guys running the publishing houses are still fairly traditional.
But you've got all these young editors who now have this left-wing, indoctrinated mindset.
And they're like, we can't publish this book.
This book will trigger people and so on.
It's hateful. And Disney may well be succumbing, might it not, to the same pressures.
Well, I think they do it even on my side of the camera, where I act more than I direct.
I mean, I get actors coming up to me.
I get... I get producers.
I get camera guys. Very quietly, the last six, seven years, they'll grab me and talk to me on a movie set, and they'll thank me for being a voice for them.
And I say, well, dude, be a voice for yourself.
Why do I have to be your voice?
I always talk about the sheep are going to be the sheep, but I know there are lions out there among those sheep.
We need to be lions.
We need to wake the lions up, and that's why we've got to keep doing it.
So I actually just wrote a book of Brave Books, which you know about, and it's called The Test of Lionhood.
And it's about a little lion cub that saves his little sister's life out in the wild.
And I'm getting attacked now by the ultimate crowd saying they're anti-trans.
This book has nothing to do about the trans or gay world.
It has to do with letting boys grow up to be boys and hopefully grow up to be strong men and strong fathers.
That's all it is. But you know how they are.
If it doesn't have any of their agenda in there, right away you're the anti-whatever and they just want to attack you because it is filled with nothing but hate and anger, which is a pretty tough way to go through life, I think.
Yeah, and how do you deal with it?
Do you ignore it?
Do you fire back?
Do you shake your head in sorrow?
I mean, what is your, how does it make you feel and what's your reaction when you see this kind of thing going on?
Occasionally I fire back.
But I don't want to get defensive about it either.
So 99% of it, I just laugh and let it go.
Because what they do doesn't affect my life.
I mean, these people with all this hate, putting more hate on someone like you and some like me, all they do is dig a bigger black hole for them to live in.
It doesn't change my lifestyle at all.
But these people, they hate themselves so much and they want to share that hate with everybody else.
And all it does is make their lives worse and more miserable.
So I feel sorry for them more than anything else.
I'm going to keep making the movies I'm doing.
I'm going to keep talking the way that I keep talking.
And I just keep plugging along and keep doing movies that are positive values.
Look, I get stopped all the time by people saying, please keep making more movies like Let There Be Light and God's Not Dead and Soul Surfer.
And I say, look... I'm there to make them, but you guys got to support them.
So I hope people go to Sorbo Studios and get a hold of Miracle East Texas tickets right now.
Like I said, great cast, great story.
Oscar-nominated writer Dan Gordon, he wrote The Hurricane for Denzel Washington, White Earp Kevin Costner, and he wrote all 60 episodes, well, 60 of the hundreds of episodes of Michael Landon's series, Highway to Heaven, back in the 80s, I guess it was.
I mean, Kevin, there are a lot of people, when they look at, they know the importance of culture, and they are critical of the dominance of progressive or liberal culture.
I think one of the things that you're doing is you're saying, okay, let's make...
Some alternative culture.
Let's make some movies.
Let's write some children's books.
Let's put our side out there.
But it is incumbent on people, and this applies to me as much as you, for people to rally behind the stuff we're doing.
Now, we're not saying rally to support us even though we make horrible stuff.
We're saying we're making really good stuff.
The kind of stuff that you want that's congruent with your values, that will really tap into a cord.
But we want you to organize and get your church together and get your friends together, your family, and support these ventures because that's how you amplify them.
It's simple as that. And, you know, people like you with your podcast get the word out there, you know, and we need your voice more than anything.
I mean, I've been asked to move back to California.
I left five years ago.
I live in Florida now. But I've been asked to move back and run for any kind of office.
Even the governor was thrown at me a couple times.
I said, I have zero interest in that.
My call, I think, is to keep making movies that have a positive message instead of a negative one.
So I'm fighting the culture of Hollywood.
And Andrew Breitbart said it.
I know it's a common phrase that politics...
Runs downstream from culture, who runs the culture, Hollywood and the mainstream media, and D.C. will follow that.
That's why you see all these D.C. people hanging out with these so-called A-listers that are far left.
All the ones that, when Bush got elected and when Trump got elected, they were going to move to Canada, remember?
None of them moved. Absolutely.
Guys, SorboStudios.com, that's the website.
Miracle in East Texas, that's the movie.
Kevin Sorbo, thanks for joining me.
I appreciate it. I appreciate what you do.
Thank you so much, sir. Alexander Solzhenitsyn is talking about the different groups of people who are being swept into the gulag, and he says that at the beginning, they would take one guy, and then they'd figure out, like, what do we do with his wife?
What do we do with his family? But pretty soon they realize, well, let's take the whole bunch of them.
Let's just take the whole family.
No one fussed about taking the head of the family first and then working out what to do with the rest of the family.
On the contrary, they burned out whole nests, whole families from the start.
They watched jealousy to make sure that none of the children, 14, 10, even 6 years old got away.
And then he says, they all went to the last scrapings, all had to go down the same road to the same common destruction.
And then Solzhenitsyn makes this point, he says this was the first such experiment, at least in modern history.
As I think back, I can't think of a precedent for this at all, so I think he's right that this had never occurred before at any time.
But Solzhenitsyn wants to be cautious.
He goes, at least in modern history, no one has ever done this kind of snatching of whole families and taking them to a common extermination.
And then he says it was subsequently repeated by Hitler with the Jews and again by Stalin with nationalities which were disloyal to him or suspected by him.
Now, we commonly hear in America that the Holocaust is a unique event, nothing like it had ever happened before, never again.
Solzhenitsyn is saying, well, sort of.
It is true that the Jews as a group, as an ethnic group, were targeted in a unique way by Hitler, but it's also true that something of the sort had happened before, had happened before, In Russia, under Lenin, then under Stalin, then Hitler, and then Stalin again.
Now, the nationalities targeted by Stalin were people like the Kazakhs and the Uzbeks and the Ukrainians.
So, these are ethnic nationalities around or within Russia.
And of course, they're not well known to us.
They're not well known in the Western here in the United States.
So people don't have a good grasp of ethnic targeting in that sense.
They know about it, but they don't feel it, at least not with the same keenness or intensity as the targeting of the Jews.
Solzhenitsyn now talks about the communist regime, the police state, going after what they call agricultural wreckers.
Agricultural wreckers.
Now, who are these wreckers?
They're people who are spoiling the socialist agricultural program.
Now, the socialist agricultural program is a complete disaster.
Because when people have no incentive to grow anything, because the government's going to take it all away, they don't grow anything.
And so the government doesn't have very much at all.
But the government, instead of saying, how do we get people to grow more?
They say, who are the thieves who are taking away the little produce that is here?
Let's go after them because these are the people who are spoiling our wonderful socialist agricultural system.
So... So says Solzhenitsyn, there was a wave of people sent to the gulag for snipping ears.
Snipping ears. When I first read this, I thought, snipping ears?
Somebody's going around snipping people's ears?
No. Ears of corn.
So apparently what happened is that these peasants would grow corn in the field, and they're supposed to turn it all over to the government, but the peasants are starving.
They don't have enough to eat themselves.
And so in the middle of the night...
The dad or the mom or the dad or the mom sends one of the kids, they go, listen, get out there, grab some of the corn so we can at least eat a meal, and then we'll turn the rest of it over to the government.
So this is the crime.
The crime is snipping the ears of corn instead of turning it all over to the government first and then waiting to see if any of it comes back to you.
Here's Solzhenitsyn, the wave of those caught doing this was not small.
It included many tens of thousands of peasants, many of them not even adults, but boys, girls, and small children whose elders had sent them at night out to snip because they had no hope of receiving anything from the collective farm for their daytime labor.
And then he says, for this bitter and not very productive occupation, an extreme of poverty in which the peasants had not been driven even in serfdom.
Worth pausing here.
Serfdom was when you had this quasi-form of slavery.
The peasants were not strictly speaking slaves, but they were serfs.
And that meant that they were like slaves.
They lived on the land of the master.
They worked for the master.
they were given a meager share of what they produced, they had to get permission to leave, to get a day off, even to marry.
So the serf was not theoretically owned by the master, but just about.
And Solzhenitsyn was saying even in serfdom, when things were so bad, and ultimately of course in the late 19th century the Russians abolished serfdom, Solzhenitsyn goes, these peasants were starving even worse than those guys.
And so you can't really blame him for wanting to eat some of the corn that their own hands have produced.
Remember Lincoln, the hand that makes the corn has the right to put the corn in its own mouth.
And yet if you do that here, you get what?
Here we go. The courts handed out a full measure, 10 years for what ranked as an especially dangerous theft of socialist property.
So for this act of theft, eating your own food, the stuff that you've produced, 10 years in the gulag.
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