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Coming up, I want to talk about how the left is pulling out all the stops Google appears to be manipulating search results to try to help the Democrats in the midterms.
I'll examine the claim of Democrats that patriots are intimidating voters by camping out at mail-in drop boxes.
I'll reveal how Liz Cheney's plan to scare Republicans away from their own base has failed miserably.
Truth Social CEO Devin Nunes joins me.
We're going to talk about the Igor Danchenko verdict, the FBI corruption, and the prospects for a GOP majority in November.
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The Democrats are pulling out all the stops for the midterm election.
They're getting a little bit panicky because the polls are showing a movement toward the Republicans, even in areas the Democrats thought were completely safe.
So, for example, Washington State, Tiffany Smiley, is running against the incumbent, Senator Patty Murray.
Well, Democrats didn't think they needed to defend Washington State, but suddenly they do.
Tiffany Smiley is running a really strong campaign.
And think about it. This would be a very unexpected pickup if Republicans can win a deep blue state, Washington state.
And so it looks like the Democrats are calling upon...
Well, they have the media already largely in their pocket.
The media is doing brazen lying and lobbying for...
Democrats. One very amusing aftermath of the Federman debate, and I've been putting out some very sharp tweets about that.
Poor Federman. I mean, I guess the...
The case for Fetterman can be summarized this way.
Yes, I'm brain dead, but Biden's brain dead too, and he's running the whole country.
Why shouldn't I run Pennsylvania?
Since when has being brain dead been a disqualification?
But what I found laughable was that the Philadelphia Inquirer says, our editorial team watched the debate, and we decided that Fetterman won.
What? So this is literally taking leave of their senses, moving into Crazyville, USA. Just the Twilight Zone, as Debbie puts it.
And so it's time to call upon the aid of digital media.
And in this case, it's not Zuckerberg so much.
Zuckerberg, in fact, had put, as you remember, a giant amount of money, almost half a billion dollars, into the 2020 election.
He's not doing that in 2022, and I don't think he'll do it in 2024 either.
But Google appears to be doing some sneaky backroom stuff.
Now... With Facebook and YouTube, and by the way, Google owns YouTube, the censorship is kind of explicit.
You put out a post, they won't show it, or they ban you, and so it's above board.
They have these rules and regulations, you can't discuss all these topics.
And so, there's a little bit of a Sovietization of our digital media.
But Google operates kind of in the dark.
And I say that because, so, you know, Google has a virtual monopoly on search engines.
There are some other search engines, by the way, DuckDuckGo and Bing.
But Google is the dominant one.
And of course, when you put in a search, you kind of assume that the algorithm is going to give you the most frequently used results, that there's going to be a sort of a neutral or impartial kind of sorting of the search results.
But see, Google gets to fool with that.
They get to, you may say, manipulate the dials.
And according to the Media Research Center, they're manipulating the dials in the critical key races for Republicans.
In other words, the Media Research Center looked at a bunch of key contests.
They looked at Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania.
Pennsylvania, Washington State, and Wisconsin.
And what did they find? Well, they found basically that...
When you search the Republican, the Republican candidates, you often find that they don't show up in the top searches at all.
If you want to find their websites, their information, you've got to scroll lower down, sometimes go to page two or page three.
And what this means is that Google is allowing media sites or even critical commentary about these candidates to get the top search rankings.
Now, when you go to the Democrats, it's the exact opposite.
The moment you put in the Democratic candidate, boom, their website comes up.
That's one of the top searches.
And so the Media Research Center notices a discrepancy in the way that Republican candidates are treated vis-a-vis Democrats.
Now, this is perhaps not a surprise, but it is noteworthy that it's going on.
It shows you the kind of...
Quite apart from election fraud, this is the systematic unleveling of the playing field.
Republicans are essentially in the position of Sisyphus, rolling the stone up the hill, and then you have all kinds of people trying to push the stone back down.
It's a tougher job.
Now, Google was asked about this, and they claim, oh, it's not true.
There's no validity whatsoever.
We are basically not playing favorites and so on.
I don't really believe them, and I doubt that you do too.
This is actually not something new for Google.
They have been interfering in this way.
I'm quite sure that they do it in other areas as well, but it's noteworthy that they seem to be ramping it up.
Ramping it up in the sense that it's become noticeable.
It's come to the attention of the Media Research Center right on the eve.
We're basically two weeks away from the midterms.
I should point out that there are a couple of efforts on the part of conservatives to start kind of alternatives to Google.
Now, these are being started late in the game, and it's not clear where they'll go.
Todd Ricketts has launched an alternative to Google called FreeSpoke, There's also a censorship-free web browser for conservatives called Tusk.
So all of this, I think, is revealing ways in which long-term we have to create our own institutions.
In a sense, our own alternative to Facebook.
We have Rumble as an alternative to YouTube.
Fortunately, we now have Getter and Truth Social and Devin Nunes will be on later in this podcast to talk about the FBI and the midterms.
But I think it is disgraceful that Google, pretending to be a neutral arbiter of speech, is in fact trying to tip the scales for the Democrats.
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My new book, 2,000 Mules, is just out.
And you can get it at Amazon.
You can get it at Barnes& Noble.
You can also check out 2000mules.com if you haven't seen the movie.
The book and the movie are kind of a great one-two punch.
And they complement each other.
The movie does things that a book can't do, like show your video.
And the book does things that the movie can't do, like lay out the evidence in a systematic form and even a point-by-point rebuttal of the critics.
I think if you see one and read the other, you'll become a very dangerous American, which will mean...
That you'll be able to fire back at any of the sort of debunking idiocies that are routinely bandied about by the left and in the media.
Now, one of the 2000 Meals effects, you can call it, is there are patriots around the country who've decided to watch Dropboxes.
And the way they do that is they have like a tailgate party and they show up and they just look around and they say, you know what, there need to be some eyes on these drop boxes.
And that is, by the way, that instinct is completely correct.
Truth of the Vote issued a statement yesterday, I believe I shared it on social media, that there's nothing illegal in watching a drop box.
Now don't interfere in any way with someone who comes to vote because then the left is going to scream, I'm Destruction!
This is voter suppression!
There was one clip on social media.
It was very indistinct.
I was trying to figure out what's happening.
Supposedly, some, quote, grandmother confronted two guys who were armed with a van outside a dropbox.
Now, the fact of it is this grandmother refused to show her own face.
So you hear a voice talking.
There's a reporter talking to the grandmother.
But the grandmother can't be seen.
And the men themselves don't speak.
So you don't know who they are.
You don't know what they're doing.
The assumption on the part of the left is, these are Trump supporters.
These are people who have somehow been motivated by 2,000 mules.
We don't know any of that.
What we do know is that there should be surveillance on every dropbox.
In fact, if you look at the guidelines issued by CISA, CISA is the Cybersecurity Infrastructure Agency, they say very clearly surveillance on all dropboxes.
Even the Zuckerberg money, when it was given to create these mail-in dropboxes, has in the contract there should be surveillance on the dropboxes.
And yet, there isn't.
There wasn't in 2020.
Now, there's more surveillance today than there was in 2020.
But there are still a lot of drop boxes that don't have 24-hour surveillance.
And the question you have to ask yourself is, why?
Why is that?
We live in a time when everything is under surveillance.
Streets are under surveillance.
Malls are under surveillance.
Post offices are under surveillance.
Parking lots are under surveillance.
So people are accustomed to that.
People don't say, well, you know, I'm not going to park my car because it's parking lot suppression if somebody's looking at me or if they have a camera on.
No, it's not suppression.
It's making sure that if a robbery occurs, they'll know who did it.
And similarly, surveillance of the drop boxes, as I say, it's in the rules.
There's no excuse not to do it.
In fact, put it differently, the only reason I can think of to not install surveillance is you're trying to create a mechanism where cheating can go undetected.
And the patriots are having none of it.
So, Mark Elias, the left-wing attorney for the Democrats, has apparently filed some sort of a claim in Arizona against a group I think it's called clean elections or something like that, basically saying, predictably, it's voter suppression. Now, for Mark Elias, pretty much everything is voter suppression.
Asking for an ID is voter suppression.
And one way you can test the validity of these kinds of claims is simply to ask the question, is it suppression in any other context?
Is it banking suppression if they ask you for an ID to cash a check?
Is it medical suppression if you go to a doctor's appointment and they ask you for your ID? Is it travel suppression if an airline demands an ID when you show up to get on the plane?
No, it's not. Therefore, it's not voter suppression to ask you to prove that you are who you say you are before you cast a ballot.
So... All of this, I think, is a way of saying that the movie, the book are producing a good effect.
It's a good effect just so that people know what's going on.
People are more vigilant.
And this is why the Democrats are nervous.
They're nervous because their opportunities are less when our side has its eyes open.
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Where's Joe Biden?
Well, the answer to that question is in hiding.
This is why Joe Biden is hardly to be seen on the campaign trail, especially in competitive states and competitive races.
And you have to Put this in context to see how unusual this is.
Normally, the president is out there fighting for his side, campaigning aggressively, particularly in the closed states, right before an election.
So now you have to ask yourself, why is this not true of Biden?
Is it because Biden is really old and really tired?
No, that actually has nothing to do with it.
Now, when asked about this, Biden goes, well, I've campaigned in 15 races.
And of course, the media is like, oh, yeah, you've campaigned in 15 races.
Well, Biden's been campaigning only in very safe blue states where people are not horrified to hear the name Biden.
Everywhere else, Biden is anathema.
Everywhere else, nobody wants to hear his name.
Nobody wants to hear about his accomplishments.
Everybody just feels a sense of loathing and And it's appropriate because Biden himself is this cranky, angry old man.
He lets it show. Who wants to be with someone like that?
I mean, by and large, when you see that kind of an old guy, you want to cross the street so you don't have to deal with him.
That's basically how the American electorate feels towards Biden and probably even Democrats, but certainly independents.
The New Yorker has an article in which one of their writers is traveling to these swing states and swing districts, and the writer says, I'm noticing that nobody is talking about January 6th.
Even the Democratic candidates aren't.
Nobody's talking about the plot to overthrow democracy.
Even the Democrats aren't.
The talking points that dominate D.C., the never-Trumpers, oh, we've got to rush to the rescue of Ukraine.
We've got to save democracy abroad and at home.
Nobody's even mentioning any of this.
Why? Because they know that this is a losing strategy in the campaign.
In fact, they're downplaying even what Democrats think are their big accomplishments.
Oh yeah, you know what? We passed Bill back better.
No one is talking about that in the swing states.
Oh yeah, we got all this money for COVID. We locked everything down.
No, no one's talking about that either.
Democrats apparently, and this is Maggie Hassan in New Hampshire, he also goes and talks to Cortez Masto in Nevada, they're all posing as moderates.
They're all basically saying, well, we're really all about taking care of our veterans and we're all really all about trying to lower your prescription drug costs.
So Democrats in this view, at least on the campaign trail in the swing states, present themselves as people who are not committed to either side, aren't even very ardent Democrats, certainly aren't progressives or leftists.
They never dare use the word left.
They're acting like these are guys who are kind of straddling the middle and trying to avoid ideological extremes.
Now, the writer of The New Yorker, to his credit...
Let's look to see who it is.
Nick Lemon. What Lemon is getting at, although he's sort of too discreet to say it, is that they are putting on a performance.
They are trying to con the independents and the middle of the rotors that they are like them.
They're trying to say to people who are feeling great anxiety about the direction in which the Biden left is taking the country, you know, we're not on that train either.
We're going to help you navigate this kind of middle course where you avoid the ideological extremes.
So here is Nick Lemon talking about Cortez Masto.
Quote, she seldom names the major Biden administration bills that she voted for, the American Rescue Plan, the Bipartisan Infrastructure and Jobs Act, and so on.
She says, I'm not about any of that.
She's only about, quote, kitchen table issues.
So, Lemon goes on to argue that the basic problem the Democrats are dealing with here is that they thought long-term they could count on voters of color, which is to say mainly Hispanics, but also blacks, to vote for them in massive numbers.
They sort of baked that expectation into their strategy.
And now they're realizing that they're not as strong with blacks as they thought, particularly with black males.
And they're seeing major erosion and hemorrhaging with the Hispanic vote.
All of this bodes very well for us.
Joe Biden can hide all he wants, but I think even his strategy of staying under his desk isn't going to save the Democrats on November 8th.
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You might think I'm going to talk about Liz Cheney running for re-election in Wyoming, in a district, by the way, that she dominated, and she was the big name in Wyoming.
And there was even talk about her having Kevin McCarthy's job down the road, that she was potentially presidential material.
And then she starts losing her own base.
Republicans around the country begin to be...
Suspicious of her, even appalled by her.
Her own constituents basically sent her packing, picking a relative nobody, Harriet Hageman, by a decisive margin.
So this is all a repudiation of Liz Cheney.
But Liz Cheney says, I don't care.
I don't care because I have a larger mission.
Now, in one sense, her larger mission is I'm trying to prevent Trump from running again.
I don't think she's going to succeed in that one.
But her larger mission can be stated slightly differently.
What Liz Cheney has been the front man or the front person as part of a left-wing and democratic campaign to do this, which is what?
To separate Republican candidates and Republican elected officials from From the Republican base.
To put it somewhat differently, the Republican base believes 2,000 mules.
The Republican base believes, mainstream view, that the 2020 election was stolen.
And I go to Republican events all the time, Reagan dinners, Lincoln dinners.
I'll give a talk about 2,000 mules.
I won't get a single dissenter.
Not one guy comes up and goes, well, what about this?
Or... You failed to notice that, Dinesh, or I think you're exaggerating.
I have essentially unanimous consent.
And this is where the Republican base is.
But Liz Cheney's idea is, what if we use the media, use the Democrats, use social media, and browbeat the Republican candidates to run away from their own base?
So what they're trying to do is drive a wedge between Democrats We're good to go.
All the mainstream Republicans who were lionized by the media for keeping some distance from Trump are now campaigning for those candidates, campaigning for the very so-called election deniers that are proclaimed to be that way or labeled that way by the media.
So Liz Cheney's real campaign is the campaign to establish that the only good Republican is a bad Republican.
Or to put it differently, the only good Republican is a rhino.
And the Republican base goes, no.
And the Republican leadership is now going, no.
Let's look at it. Senator Tim Scott, Tom Cotton, Ted Cruz have all been in Ohio campaigning for J.D. Vance.
Senator Rick Scott and a Even after all these so-called revelations about Walker.
And what's probably the most unkindest cut of all for the left and for Liz Cheney, Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin endorsed Carrie Lake in her battle to become the next governor of Arizona.
He's asked, why would you do that? Why would you support an election tonight?
He basically goes, hey, listen, we need more Republican governors.
The country is governed better when there are more Republicans in office.
Tulsi Gabbard! Who ran on the Democratic ticket for president, has endorsed Carrie Lake, she's endorsed Blake Masters, she's even endorsed Don Bolduc in New Hampshire in his campaign against Maggie Hassan.
So this is like slap, slap, slap for Liz Cheney and the big campaign about election denialism.
Oh, these candidates are radioactive, they're untouchable, even that some Democrats secretly wish that it'll be Carrie Lake.
You know, Carrie Lake is really showing that your secret wish has come true, and she's your worst nightmare.
So what's going on is the Republican Party is waking up and beginning to recognize that this is what Republicans stand for, this is what Republicans believe, and all the little machinations of the media and the fact-checkers and even resolute Liz Cheney pretending to stand on principle are not really quite working out as they had hoped.
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Guys, I'm delighted to welcome back to the podcast our friend, Devin Nunes, who served, well, almost 20 years in Congress at California's 21st and then 22nd Congressional District. He is now the Chief chief executive officer of Trump Media and Technology Group, running the Trump platform known as Truth Social.
Devin, welcome to the podcast.
Great to have you as always.
I know that Truth Social had been in a kind of ongoing tussle, maybe is the right word with Google, about making the platform widely available through Google.
Talk a little bit about where that is, because I saw some news reports Google has banned Truth Social, and that's not true, is it?
Well, finally, Dinesh, this is day 10 of being fully open for every phone in America and the United Kingdom.
So it was a long haul, but finally we were approved.
We're in the Google Play Store.
So You know, most people either have an iPhone or they have an Android and they happen to use the Google Play Store.
So look, we're happy that Google finally approved us and now it's just important for Everyone that knows that it's been trying to get on Truth Social, if you have an Android, we're now open.
This is fantastic.
And guys, all of you should be on Truth Social.
It's essential that we help build these alternative platforms.
We cannot let our fate be reliant on people who really are not our friends.
I enjoy being on the platform.
It's really fun. I enjoy the engagement on the platform.
Of course, Trump is exclusively on the platform.
So any other issues that you'd like to talk about with regard to Truth Social before we pivot to talking about the FBI? Well, Dinesh, I would just say that you've been on there from the very beginning.
We're very thankful for that.
But also that you actually get a sense to see the difference between a Truth Social where we don't censor, we don't use algorithms, we just use a feed versus the other platforms where a lot of our content creators are pretty much silenced.
Even if they didn't get kicked off the other platforms, You get so much more interaction here.
And so, you know, we've got basically all of the center-right news organizations.
Obviously, we're not closed down to center-left.
They just haven't joined.
They like to attack True Social as being this, you know, place of misfits and echo chamber and all that kind of nonsense.
But the funny thing is, is they must have secret accounts on True Social because they seem to know an awful lot about True Social.
But, you know, they're welcome to sign up.
So far, we've had a few Democrats or former Democrats, but Tulsi Gabbard, former Democrat, she's got a big following on True Social.
And then, of course, Governor Gavin Newsom from California, he's also on the platform, I think, just to go and interact with President Trump.
But, you know, look, we're an open, free speech platform.
You can come on the platform and you can talk all politics all day long, plus get your news and information.
I mean, if I look at my own following, let's just compare with Twitter, I'm at 2.4 million.
I was at about 2 million right around the election time.
Mysteriously, I dropped to 1.7.
I've now crept back up.
But on Truth Social, I've just seen a rapid growth, basically from 0 to 1.6 million in a much, much shorter period.
So that completely confirms and validates what you're saying about the fact that on Twitter...
I'm kind of at the mercy of people who are playing with the dials.
You're not playing with the dials, and that's a really good thing.
That's exactly right, and that's a great example.
And remember, Dinesh, we've only been fully open in the United States for 10 days, and you're already at 1.6 million.
And I think the other thing to remember is that we don't have bots or spam accounts, or at least we don't tolerate them, right?
We constantly have people trying to make bots, make spam accounts, where It's the opposite on these other platforms, right?
There's, you know, you may think you have, you know, 2 million followers on another platform, but, you know, you really don't.
Because either those are ghost accounts or they're corporate accounts or they're bot farm accounts, you know, that were designed back in the day.
This is how I kind of got interested in this subject back in 2017 and 18 when we were dealing with the Russia hoax.
Is that I noticed on my Twitter feed, which I had been on there since 2009 or whatever, whenever it opened, and I would notice that I would get attacked, and then you start to see a trend.
And during those days, I was the one that was out there saying, look, the Russia hoax is a hoax.
And then I would just get attacked, and it would give the aurora, it would send that message to people that, Oh my God, nobody agrees with Devin Nunes and what the Republicans are doing on the House Intelligence Committee because there'd just be attack after attack after attack about, you know, that I'm a Russian agent, that I'm a Putin guy, etc.
I mean, you've seen it all before.
And when in fact, what all it was, was it was left-wing bot farms that were swaying public opinion.
I was the first to go on Rumble, which I know you've been on Rumble since the beginning.
And this is why. Between TrueSocial and Rumble, we're really creating a separate internet superhighway where people cannot be canceled and they can have their free speech and freedom of expression.
That's really the key It's why I left Congress to create this and I'm just happy that you've been on and of course that we're now fully open in the U.S. This is all great news.
Let's take a pause. When we come back, we'll talk more with Devin Nunes.
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Feel the difference. I'm back with Devin Nunes, a longtime congressman from California, now chief executive officer of the Trump Media and Technology Group.
We've been talking about Truth Social.
But Devin, you know, when you were in Congress, you took the lead in exposing the inner workings of the deep state. And we are seeing some of that play out through the Durham indictments and the Durham cases. But Durham so far appears to have a spotty record. Most recently, the acquittal of Danchenko, Igor Danchenko, on the charge of
lying to the FBI. I've advanced the theory, but it's only a theory.
I'd like you to comment on it.
That part of the reason that the juries have been wary in these cases is because Durham doesn't appear to be going after the FBI. In fact, he appears to be saying that these dudes misled the FBI, whereas isn't it a fact that the FBI and the deep state were in on this from the outset?
No. Yeah, absolutely, Dinesh.
And I think there's a larger problem here that Durham is actually exposing.
One is that if you are in one of the big, what I call city-states in this country, Washington, D.C., Beltway area, New York City, L.A., Bay Area, if you're a Republican and you know this better than anyone, there's a two-tiered justice system.
And Durham, I think, is running into that.
I believe what Durham was actually trying to do was when he brought up both Sussman in Washington, D.C. and Danchenko in Northern Virginia, what made total sense is he was trying to get them to cooperate.
And they would not.
They lawyered up.
They had all the Clinton and DNC-related lawyers that represented them.
So they were all working behind the scenes together, knowing that when you get into Washington, D.C., good luck.
Good luck trying to win a case in D.C. I think Durham had to have known that he was in trouble in D.C. Probably thought he had a little bit of a better shot in Northern Virginia, but didn't.
So he's now exposed the FBI, and he almost had to put them on trial.
And I will say this, and this is why I have trust in Durham.
All my time, 20 years in the swamp, I never saw an investigation that was going on that didn't have Massive leaks all over the place, right?
And people speculating. Clearly people were in the know.
This is the rare time where Durham has not leaked.
He hasn't spoke to anyone.
So all we can do is kind of read the tea leaves.
And I think the fact that Durham has not, that he basically hasn't spoke, hasn't talked, hasn't leaked, you see that he's having to put the FBI on trial.
That can only be for one reason, that he has not been able to bring criminal conspiracy Against these bad actors, it's not just the FBI, it's at DOJ, other intelligence agencies, and also within the DNC and the Clinton campaign.
And even, I would say, the Mueller team during that Mueller investigation.
So he's exposed a lot.
Why he's not bringing criminal conspiracy, we don't know.
We made 14 criminal referrals from our end in Congress.
I think that's the challenge that Durham is having right now.
And no one knows where he's going to go from here.
And I would say that if Republicans have a good day in two weeks, I think that will at least give Durham more of a lifeline to continue.
And I would say that I think it's really important for the future of this country for Durham to continue this investigation, even if the Biden administration won't let it bring charges.
And I think that's the key. He's got to have a sign-off from Garland.
in order to bring these charges.
That's very interesting because there had been some speculation, which I echoed, that perhaps Durham was trying to catch some of the small fry and let the big guys go free.
But what you seem to be saying is that you think Durham is on the up and up.
Durham is trying to go after the bad guys.
Obviously, he needs the cooperation of the lower-level crooks to catch the higher-level crooks.
Where does he go from here?
What's his next step? Look, I mean, the rumor is, but it's only rumor, he's supposed to be writing a report.
Everybody in the fake news are speculating, well, Durham's done, he's just writing a report.
We don't know that right now.
And I think Durham's just going to continue to investigate.
Obviously, if Republicans do well, I think that gives them a little bit of a lifeline because they can't just get rid of him.
So, you know, we don't know where he goes, but, you know, it will also be interesting because if this report is written, and if that is all he does, is that report going to come out?
And that's why it's going to be important.
I think if Republicans do gain control of Washington, of Congress, they're going to have to put in a 9-11 style commission or a church commission that was created back in the 1970s to fix the This whole problem with the DOJ and the FBI and the Democrats and the left in this country.
And don't forget, that includes the fake news, who was in on this Russia hoax from the very beginning, and the big tech companies who were also in on this hoax, right?
And all of this stuff is intertwined, right?
right from the Russia hoax accusing Trump to then the Ukraine impeachment hoax that then we learned no, it was actually Hunter Biden, then they cover up the Hunter Biden laptop for the 2020 election.
All of this stuff is related.
And I think the Republicans are only gonna be able to get to the bottom of this if it's a large style commission that has congressional power, that has subpoena power, that can rip apart this incestuous relationship that we now know is there, whether it's Fauci coordinating with the tech companies or the FBI working with the tech companies and the fake news.
It's all there in plain sight, and the Republicans owe it to the American people to put something in place that gets to the bottom of this that would basically be, if you take Durham, he's from the executive branch, We need something similar on the legislative branch.
You were in there, you know these guys, you know the Republican leadership, and yet you're not in there now so you can speak freely.
They should do these things, but will they?
Look, the question will be, I think a guy like Jim Jordan, who I know well, who I work with closely, he has so much on his plate that he's going to have to get to the bottom of if he becomes chairman of the Judiciary Committee.
I just don't think there's going to be any other way they're going to be able to get to the bottom of this.
Because one thing we learned is that the FBI and DOJ have a real convenient place to hide within the scenes.
So they would come to us continually and why it took us so long to get to the bottom of this.
Although it was only a year, by the way, it only took us, you know, we actually released that Benunas memo back in early 18, if you can believe it's been that long ago.
But they were very convenient, Dinesh.
They would say, oh, if you guys expose this, people are going to die.
Really important sources are going to die.
Oh, and then we find out, oh, it was Danchenko, a guy who had born in Russia, but was a long-term democratic operative and had democratic connections.
Or, oh, it was Dolan, some Clinton operative, right, that was out there.
Those were the people that were going to die.
I mean, it was just preposterous.
And then they would also then bring these guys on as confidential human sources because they say, well, Congress, the legislative branch, doesn't have a right to know who we're paying as confidential human sources.
And this is also relevant.
Remember, I made the tie to the Big Tech and Hunter Biden laptop.
We can also make the connection to January 6th, where same people, same Gestapo, FBI, and the people in the DOJ, same people that work for Obama now work for Biden.
All of these people are connected, and guess what?
What do they do? We've got people running around in this country that were at January 6th, clearly inciting violence, and they've not been arrested, yet they're out there in the open.
The only thing one can suspect is they've used conveniently this confidential human source to hide.
So they'll claim ongoing investigation.
Oh, you're going to out sources in order to hide things from Congress, and that's why My old friends in Congress have got to put together almost this 9-11 style commission that has great powers, or they're not going to get to the bottom of it, Dinesh. So look, all the folks in there that I worked with, I mean, they're fighters, they have spirit, I mean, they wouldn't be running for office if they didn't.
But it's one thing to have the willingness to fight.
It's another thing to know how to fight what is really the deep state working with the radical left to take over the intelligence agencies and justice system in this country.
It seems to me to be an absolute imperative.
Great stuff. Thank you, Devin Nunes, for joining me.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you, Dinesh. Always a pleasure to be with you.
We're in Book 16 of the Odyssey, which begins with a really joyful reunion of Odysseus with his son, Telemachus.
At first, Telemachus doesn't recognize his father, in part because Athena has disguised Odysseus.
Odysseus kind of feels out Telemachus, but then he reveals himself.
He goes, I'm your dad, I'm Odysseus.
They embrace Odysseus.
And what's important here is that Telemachus can give Odysseus some very specific information of what he's up against.
Telemachus says, now talking about the palace and about his household,"...we cannot fight the two of us against such strong men and so many.
There are dozens, not just a handful.
Fifty-two come from Dulcichium, all top-notch fighters who brought six henchmen.
Twenty-four men came from Sain, twenty more from Zanthus, and from right here on Ithaca came twelve." So you kind of run the numbers here and you can see that you're talking about over a hundred young strong men, basically warrior types, and they are all in Odysseus' home.
Now, Odysseus has been thinking about this.
Remember, he's known about the problem since he went to the underworld.
And after that, he was seven years on Calypso's island.
He's had time to formulate at least something of a plan.
And here he reveals his plan.
He basically tells his son that he, Odysseus, will be dressed up as a beggar in rags with his face disguised.
The swineherd will take him into town, will escort him.
And Odysseus tells the swineherd, Eumaeus, Who, by the way, also obviously now knows who Odysseus is.
He says, you will see people on the street look down on me, maybe make comments about me, maybe even throw things at me.
He goes, do not intervene.
Do not blow my cover, is what he's saying.
He goes, you must restrain yourself, repress your feelings, even if they grab me by the foot, kind of making fun of him.
He goes, politely tell them they should stop this folly.
They will ignore you. So Odysseus actually, he's in his own country.
He actually knows.
That there is a social hierarchy.
That it may be that he will be given bad treatment if he masquerades as a beggar.
But he says he's going to make his way to the palace to ask for alms, to ask for food, to ask for assistance.
And then he tells Telemachus, this is what you, Telemachus, need to do.
You need to find all the weapons that are in the house, weapons all over the place, as it turns out, that are used for fighting.
He says, quote, go and hide them away inside the upstairs storage room.
So, collect the weapons, put them away.
Why? So the weapons are no longer accessible to the suitors.
And when the suitors ask where they have gone...
He says, tell them they were near the fire, so I removed them from the breath of smoke.
Since they were getting damaged, they were losing their sharpness and their luster.
And then he says, I also am removing them because very often you suitors, you eat too much, you get drunk, you start fighting with each other, you come to blows.
This is a little bit risky because it says that you might then grab a weapon and hurt each other, and then your...
Dinners and your courtship will be ruined.
And so Odysseus says, get rid of the weapons, but not all of them.
Leave out two swords, two spears, and two thick shields for you and me to grab before we rush.
So, in other words, Odysseus needs to be armed.
Telemachus needs to be armed.
So they each need, they need swords, they need spears, and they need shields.
So Odysseus essentially says, leave enough for you and me, put everything else away.
Laertes and the swineherd must not know.
So Odysseus is divulging his plan.
To Telemachus, but don't tell Eumaeus.
This is Odysseus taking every step to make sure nothing goes wrong here.
Nor any of the slave girls, not even Penelope.
So here's Odysseus.
He knows. He probably suspects that some of the slave girls have attached themselves to the suitors.
So telling them is to risk the whole scheme being revealed.
But the remarkable thing is, don't even trust Penelope.
So you have here the assumption, running by the way through the Iliad and the Odyssey, that not that women are never to be trusted, but that women are never to be trusted until they prove themselves trustworthy.
Now Odysseus does trust Penelope, but he's been away for 20 years.
10 years in the war, 10 years making his way home.
It's almost like he has to sort of reconfirm her fidelity and her trustworthiness.
So until he knows that, his point is, it's sort of you and me, Telemachus, against everybody else.
And so this is Odysseus' plan, to have the weapons at the ready, to show up as a beggar at the right moment, to grab the weapons, and he and Telemachus together will attack everyone.
And as his plan goes, kill all the suitors so they can be put out of the way and he can resume his lawful authority over his palace but also over his land of Ithaca.
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