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July 8, 2024 - Doug Collins Podcast
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Trump’s Front Row Joes’s
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Hey, everybody.
Welcome to the day after the fourth.
Glad to be with you today on the Doug Collins podcast.
We have Sean Spicer with us today.
Good friend.
We'll have him right after the break.
Gonna be talking about a new movie from Salem.
Our folks, Front Row Joe.
Sean's a executive producer on this and did a lot of interviews on it.
We're looking forward to hearing a little bit more about the really a phenomenon.
If you've ever been to a Trump rally, you know who the Front Row Joe's are.
I mean, they're just the epitome of this, you know, the rallies, the movement and everything else.
Can't wait to talk to Sean more about that.
Also going to hit, of course, got to do a little bit of politics as we go, as we always do here.
But it's July the 5th.
We're having a little bit of a slowdown after a great fourth yesterday, celebrating America while England went to work.
Thank you very much.
And by the way, elected, you know, they just lost their mind and went liberal over there.
So we'll have to deal with that as well as we go forward.
But lots to do here on the Doug Collins podcast for Friday, July the 5th.
We will be right back.
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Alright, we're back.
Sean Spicer joining me.
Sean, how are you doing, buddy?
Great.
Happy post-4th of July to you.
I hope you guys have a good one.
Did you have a good 4th?
I did.
I love it.
I actually love the 4th of July and Thanksgiving because I feel like there's no, you know, like a lot of holidays, you're running around, you're gift-giving, you're trying to get everything right.
The 4th of July to me is just sort of like family comes down from all over, same kind of way it does at Thanksgiving, and we just enjoy and relax and cook out.
But it's totally stress-free.
It's not like, oh my God, we forgot this dish and the turkey's not done.
It's hamburgers and hot dogs.
So I just enjoy the relaxing aspect of it.
My kids do a little parade where we play patriotic music and wear I don't anymore, but we'll wear our bright, sparkly things.
So it's a mix of relaxing, fun, family, and a little patriotism mixed in.
Now, do y'all meet down in hometown, or do you meet more in D.C.? My family, most of my family is from Rhode Island, so we meet here.
That's great.
That's a good part.
Good part of the world.
I mean, we had friends, we had a mix this year.
My boy, it's sort of, Sean, and your kids are going to get this age.
My youngest is 25 now, and, you know, I got the, you know, 25-year-old, I got a 30-year-old, a 32-year-old, and a 28-year-old.
The two boys were not here, so it made it a little bit different, but we had friends and family over.
I cooked Boston butts.
We did everything, and I I agree with you.
It's just sitting and relaxing.
I love to cook.
That's my time.
I get on my grills.
I get my stuff.
That's my time.
I tell Lisa, it's like the old little rascals.
No girls allowed past this in my cooking area outside because she likes to come in and play with it.
I said, no, we're not doing that.
No, we're not.
Let's hit a little bit of politics before we get into the movie itself.
Yesterday, let's just think about this.
We celebrated our independence from England yesterday.
England took a tar, opposing really much of Europe, took a pretty hard left turn last night.
Yeah.
And it was, I was looking at the results.
I mean, it wasn't even close.
I'm still fascinated and I don't, at some point, I always say I want to learn more about their political system, not in the sense of how they govern, but I don't understand sort of why they call the elections when they do.
I mean, I know sometimes you have to, but like they got crushed last night.
First time with 14 years conservatives out of power.
Nigel Farage got a seat for the first time.
There's some sort of interesting angles to this whole thing.
It'll be interesting in the days to come.
What the real analysis is, in terms of why.
And I just, I gotta be honest, because of 4th of July, because of all the stuff that's going on here, I literally read enough to be conversant with you, and that was about it.
Yeah, I agree with you.
That was for me, too, because it's always fascinating to me how you go, we're going to call it a spot election in four weeks.
I mean, it takes us two years to spend, you know, elections.
Well, can you, somebody pointed that out, and I will say, like, online, it was funny, it was like, They voted in one day.
They had the results in one day.
Like, you know, everyone acts.
And now they'll say, oh, it's smaller.
I mean, but it's amazing.
No one's complaining over there.
And they had large turnout, too.
That was not, you know, it wasn't like, you know, yeah, they have a smaller...
Well, also, like, their math is more complicated, Doug, right?
I mean, we have a winner or a loser.
They have to figure out proportionality in terms of seats and all this stuff.
And so I would argue that there's different aspects.
They still get it done.
It's very efficient.
Oh, it is pretty amazing.
You know, one last thing, though, has nothing to do with the specific results, but I think it hits what you just said, though.
I think, because I think you're getting ready to see an opposite result this weekend in France.
I think the opposite is going to happen in France, but...
Also, I'm wondering if the conservative, the Tories in England saw that it was going to be a rough couple of years, said, let's go ahead and get our beating in now.
And then, you know, because we don't have and really say and being honest about we don't have an answer that's going to fit here.
So if labor wants to come in and have an answer, we'll give them an answer here and try and fight this off in a couple of three years.
That's why I was saying I'd love to, in a few days, hear some analysis because there's days, and you know this in Washington, where people sometimes give you too much credit for something and you're like, did you guys think ahead?
And I think that we might be like, did they actually get ahead of the curve here and just say, hey, let's take our medicine early?
And someone's probably like, wow, I didn't even think of that.
Yeah, that'd be interesting.
Well, speaking of taking medicine early or late or any time else that you work between 10 and 2, you know, that's the Joe Biden presidency.
I might actually do something today.
The Joe Biden presidency is actually the 10, 2, and 4 presidency, the old Dr. Pepper presidency, because he only works between 10, 2, and 4. And that's after the nap, because it's I'm resigning myself to there's growing more and more, Sean, that he is going to step aside, either literally, completely step aside and let Harris become president, which I think, I guess if you're going to do it, you might as well do it.
Or he's going to step aside from not running and then just sort of be this lame duck hang on for another six months.
But When the media starts hitting, when the money starts drying up, and Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer start hitting him, what's your feeling now?
I know you and I talked about this last week.
I'm still not there yet.
I think he hangs on, but it's getting a little harder.
Yeah, so actually, I think you and I are on the same page on this.
And the reason is, Is that I, and I talk about this all the time on my show that like rules, the rules, I wouldn't say like matter because the Democrats have shown that they'll go around any rule that they create or change it.
But at the end of the day, once he becomes virtually nominated, then that's the law.
Like he, there's federal election law that comes into play.
There's ballot access issues to come into play.
So, a couple things.
One, I have been saying, and I am convinced that, like, he is going to be the nominee, okay?
Because all he has to do is make it to July 21-ish.
They will virtually nominate him then.
Then, this gets into kind of what you're asking, which is, will he stay the nominee?
Meaning, will he pass it on to Kamala?
Because at the end of the day, I've heard Gavin Newsom, Michelle Obama, you know, Krusty the Clown.
It doesn't matter.
It's like it will be Kamala.
If it's not Joe, it's Kamala.
And that's it.
Full stop.
End of discussion.
If you want to go have a further, you know, go grab a beer, go somewhere and talk about it.
But it's not.
It has to be her for a million reasons.
And I know everyone wants to argue with me on this.
And I'm like, look, I'll walk you through.
No, it ain't an argument.
Right.
So I wrote a book.
And this isn't a plug.
It's just I wrote a book called Radical Nation.
And I made the case in Radical Nation.
That Joe Biden didn't want to look at his presidency through the rubric of normal metrics.
I'm going to talk about jobs created, deficit taken down, or programs.
He wanted to be the most progressive president ever, and that's why he named the people that he did, Pete Buttigieg.
It was all about identity politics.
The idea that I have in my head is that he wants to, if he's going to do this, he wants to be able to say, I anointed, because that's basically what it would be, the first black female nominee slash potential president.
And so he would step down as the candidate.
I even think he could go so far as to literally step down as president, give her the keys to the castle, and then she'd be technically an incumbent running for re-election.
There's something inside of me that says Hunter, Jill, Steve Reschetti, Mike Donilon, Bruce Reed, Anita Dunn.
It's all about power.
The second Joe goes, they have no power.
And I have always been a believer that if you want to understand You know, New York is all about money and finance and, right, the accumulation of wealth.
LA is all about, you know, Hollywood and whatever.
DC is power.
Who's got it?
Who's close to it?
Who's ascending?
Who's not?
And these folks around Joe Biden aren't going to give it up.
And that's what people have to understand is it's not just him.
It's the people around him are saying, I'm not just going to step aside.
And, um, And so for those reasons, I feel like the default is he stays.
But I do agree with you that there is an aspect.
Look, you and I are talking on Friday after 4th of July.
This ABC interview tonight, again, I've played this like three-dimensional chess.
Does Stephanopoulos try to show he's tough?
Because, A, he wants to show his journalistic chops.
Does he show he's tough because he really wants to take Joe Biden out and get a new nominee?
Does he give him a softball because he actually likes him and wants him to continue?
I think tonight's going to be huge.
Because if Biden flubs this interview with Stephanopoulos, the dam really breaks.
Yeah, I agree.
If he...
If it's a push, casino speak here, then it's just status quo.
And if he hits it out of the park, I mean, I think he helps with donors a little, but that's it.
Yep.
My question is always how it helps him.
Again, it's an edited interview.
It's not a live interview.
And, you know, you're not going to get a question like, Mr. President, how old are you?
Mr. President, what day is today?
I mean, Stephanopoulos is not going to do the questions that honestly a doctor would ask him.
And I think as someone, and I think we talked about this on your podcast.
By the way, folks, Sean's podcast, you want to go sit and get it.
Sean's podcast show, you go.
Definitely.
It's great stuff.
We have great discussions on there.
And we talked about this just last week.
The problem is, is Joe exhibited classic dementia symptoms in that debate.
The blank stare with open mouth.
Classic case.
The cussing as he got higher.
What the hell is that?
Damn.
Even Trump was not doing that.
Donald Trump was not doing that.
And for those of us who know him, he can be a little colorful in his language at times, but he was very focused.
Joe was not, and what that all comes back to, I had a doctor explain this to me one time.
I had a family members and others who never said, you know, never was outrageous in their speech.
And they said, it's because their mind is so struggling to get out what they want to get out, but they can't get it out, that it exhibits itself in this sort of flashes of anger.
So it'll be interesting to say, I agree with you.
Can I just, can I, can I, can I look, I'm not a doctor, you're not a doctor.
Okay.
But the thing that troubles me, so we can look at that and we can analyze that or have people that are smart analyze that.
But when the president himself says to governors, I think it was last night or the night, it had to be the night before last, I need to sleep more and work less at night.
Oh my God.
When we know now that a schedule is in, to me, I don't need a doctor.
I don't need an analysis.
I mean, look, you're the leader of the free world and you're telling people, this job is tough for me and I need to go to bed more and I need to cut my schedule back.
You're president.
Yeah.
So maybe that's not a good fit for you anymore, right?
And I feel like the reason what I'm trying to say to you without saying it well is that we don't need anybody anymore.
We don't need a doctor or analysis.
He said it to us.
I need to do this.
And there's two things about this.
One that worries me is that we're sending a signal to not just the country, which is obviously where the election is focused.
But to the world to say, my God, I mean, I remember there were plenty of times, number one, I chased Donald Trump.
Like, I mean, the guy, I had to get up early, I had to stay up late.
I always used to joke with people that like the only time, I loved when he played golf.
I loved it.
Because for two hours and 20 minutes, the guy doesn't even take a long time playing golf.
I actually got to get some work done because you knew that, but the second that he was off the course, he was like, hey, Sean, I want to do this.
Did you put this out?
Did you, I mean, he's an Energizer bunny.
And I was like, you are up late, you are up early to keep up with him.
And I laugh when I hear these schedules of these White House staffers and Biden, because I'm like, oh, my God, I'd kill for that.
Like the idea that you get to go home and I mean, and it wasn't even like I couldn't go home.
It's just I had to keep up.
And so I worry about the signal this is sending.
And Anyway, I think the interesting thing is for years now, Republicans on shows have been asked by the media, is President Trump fit for office?
And I think there's a big distinction between can he win, can President Biden win, which is what they ask them now.
They ask the Democrats, can Biden still win?
To me, frankly, who cares if he can win?
I mean, maybe, of course he can.
It's a democracy.
Should he?
Is he fit for office?
Can he govern?
And why isn't the media asking that question?
Yeah, I agree.
I think we've also confirmed what a lot in Haley, Ramaswamy, many others were saying.
No matter if he does stay and, God forbid, win, he's confirmed to everybody he will not last four years.
I think that's just the fact of the matter.
I think he's just confirmed he won't be able to make four years.
And again, I don't see how, but let's just play this out for fun's sake.
If he were to win, I think that it is not a joke that Kamala Harris is president.
I mean, that's just a fact.
And my guess, like I said, I believe it would be through his own volition.
I believe that he could win.
Say, I prevented Trump twice from becoming president.
And I am now creating the first female black president.
And I actually think that he would be like a hero on the left.
Yeah.
Well, I think, and let's talk sort of last point on this.
I said this before.
I think I said it on your show the other day.
If he had to quit in October, November, December last year, he's a Democratic elder legend for winning the last election and doing these things.
And he steps aside gracefully.
He goes into the sunset.
Now he steps aside in the next three or four weeks.
He is defined by defeat, dementia, and a debate.
And I just don't think he'll do that.
Switching to a positive note though, you got a new movie out, Salem produced, Front Row Joes.
I love the name, but I also love the folks.
I've seen them many, many times at rallies.
You and I both have been to.
From the backbone of the greatest political movement ever, the Front Row Joes, the foundation of the Trump faith.
Who are they?
You had to love the United States of America and you had to love Mr. Donald Trump and support Mr. Donald Trump through the election.
And where do they go next?
For the first time ever, a behind-the-scenes look into the energy that's changing the world with Stephen K. Bannon, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Donald J. Trump.
They're incredible people.
And the Front Row Joes are, you know, in a certain way, I guess they're very successful people.
USA! USA! Friendships I've made over the years as a Front Row Joe, it's probably the best part of it.
Go to FrontRowJoe's.movie to experience the movement.
The kind of basis for all the rallies, and they've been, I mean, they just like dead things.
What was the impetus behind this?
What's the story?
Tell us a little bit about it.
So I've been in campaigns.
You have for a while.
I did my first campaign 30 years ago, 1994, Contract with America.
No, please don't tell me I'm older than you.
Oh, God.
And so...
I've been doing, I've done, I mean, I was at the RNC for six years.
I've been involved.
And the bottom line is, you know this, when there's a big rally, the presidential candidate, they'll put out mail.
We're coming to the Atlanta fairgrounds or whatever you guys have down there.
And, you know, some big Chick-fil-A or something.
And they're like, hey, we're going to be at this park, whatever, this amphitheater Friday night.
They send out mail and do ads, try to get a big crowd.
Trump would send out a tweet and tens of thousands of people would come and then these front row Joes would go from rally to rally to rally, event to event to event.
And we were down in Orlando, a bunch of guys from the 2016 campaign talking about this at breakfast one day.
And we're all joking about how unbelievably historic that is.
It just doesn't happen.
But people who haven't been involved in campaigns just wouldn't get it.
They're like, oh, that's how it works, right?
You send out a tweet, 10,000 people show up.
And so I finally was like, my God, if this doesn't get documented somewhere, and everyone kind of looked at me and were like, dude, you're the guy in the media, you do it.
And so I started pitching this around and saying, these guys from the Front Row Joes, some of them are spending $50,000 a year.
One guy's done over 80 rallies.
They become a family.
They love Trump.
They'll spend four or five days getting to a rally site early, living in the back of their car.
And I was like, okay, this is just unbelievably historic, this movement.
And so we started traveling with them.
And going to rallies, going to their homes.
We sat down with President Trump.
We sat down with Steve Bannon.
And we're like, tell us, when did you know that this was different?
And I think if people really want to understand the Trump movement, what it's like to go to a Trump rally, who these people are, Trump's Front Row Joe's available, as you said, on salemnow.com.
I mean, if you go to salemnow.com, you can watch it, you can buy it, you can get a DVD, and you can also gift it.
So if you're a big Trump supporter, but you've got that crazy uncle or cousin that doesn't know what it's like, you can literally hit a button and gift them Trump's Front Row Joe's movie at salemnow.com, and they'll get it from you to see or to watch.
I always tell people, too, I learned doing this movie when we were We're doing it.
They kept saying, how many DVDs do you want to start helping to order?
And they were telling me that, you know, there's a lot of concern out there, rightly so, about big tech banning movies and everything.
And so people now want to have the hard copy, if you will, so that if it gets banned by big tech, if they can't find it, that they want to preserve it.
So if you go to salemnow.com, you can buy Trump's Front Row Joe's, either stream it or buy the DVD. What was one thing that surprised you in making it?
Like I said, this all started in 2016. It was just unheard of in 2016. It continued in 2020. I've been in a bunch of rallies, and it's continuing even now.
I think the thing that gets me, here's sort of my take, not just on the front row Joe's, but everybody thinks you have a Trump rally in a district or a state that is representative of that state.
And yes, to a point it is, but it's not.
It's not like the rallies where you used to have George Bush come to Atlanta and 99% of the crowd was from 75 miles to 100 miles around Atlanta.
That's just not true.
You get a rally in middle Georgia and you're going to have Florida, Alabama, Arkansas, Texas.
That surprises me still.
It's like a rock concert kind of thing.
What was one thing that you maybe went into with it but maybe they were confirmed or you found out something different?
It's funny.
There wasn't one.
There's a lot.
Like when we asked one guy, how much money do you spend?
He said, like I said, $50,000.
I'm with 50 grand.
And the thing is, so many people described it as you did, like a rock concert, like following the Grateful Dead.
But the thing about it is we asked Trump about that.
And he was like, you know, there's only so many ways that I can make up.
I mean, I got to talk about immigration and taxes and He's like, I can't change the script, if you will, that much.
But these people are there for the experience and the people.
And that was sort of another thing.
I've been to rallies.
You've been to rallies.
I kind of feel like box checked.
Someone called me today and said, there's another Trump rally.
I'd be like, great.
I've been to a handful.
I don't know that I need to go to five more.
But these guys, they're not there.
They want to show support to President Trump.
But to them, it's become a family.
And one of the things that you ask about, like the big question we ask at the end of the doc is where does this movement go?
Is it President Trump's that he gets to keep and decide and own until he departs the earth?
Does Don Jr. inherit it?
Does some other candidate, does it split up?
And I really wanted to explore that because that to me was fascinating.
All these people who are dedicating their lives to Donald Trump.
And like I said, I don't know about you, but there's very few things.
The U.S. Senior Golf Tournament is in Newport last week.
And I'm not a huge golfer.
You know what I mean?
That's not really my thing.
But it was here.
And finally, I told my wife.
I was like, we had their free tickets if you were a military veteran.
I was like, you know what?
It's never going to be...
Maybe I'll go down for like an hour.
And even then, it was like, okay, box checked.
Like, I don't need to go back.
I don't need to...
These Front Row Joes, they go, you know, to, like I said, 50, 60, 70, 80, and they're there four or five days early living in their car.
One rally, Doug, we were in Pennsylvania, and it's, when I say pouring, that's an, it's disgusting rain coming down in mud, and you can see it coming up.
They're putting on Like garbage bags over their head and plastic bags up their legs so they can stomp around in the mud.
They didn't care.
For four days, it's pouring rain leading up to this rally.
And they're like, okay.
I would have been like, bye!
Where's the nearest Courtyard Marriott?
I got to get out of here.
And yet they're so committed to the cause.
And it's weird to say because at a Trump rally, they still need to get there.
There's no VIP line that they get in.
They get there four days early to get in line.
Because they want to be early.
So you would think that as a super fan, they get some front row access.
Nope.
They still stand in line like everybody else, but they're willing to get there that early.
And I'd be like, hey, I'm sorry.
I'm a super fan.
I get to cut the line.
Nope.
Yeah.
Without maybe spoiling the show, did you get an answer?
Because I think that is the billion dollar political consultant class question in D.C., New York, everywhere around the world is, where do they go?
I will tell you, because again, I don't think it's a huge spoiler, because it depends.
Like I said, we asked everyone from Trump to Bannon to Marjorie Taylor Greene to the Front Row Joes.
And the answer you get...
We actually have some reporters that we brought in, too, to talk about what it was like to cover the campaign and when they knew it was different.
The answer is that there is no answer.
Everybody has a feeling on this, but here's how I will answer this differently.
I think it depends on Donald Trump.
If Donald Trump tells these guys, like they are first and foremost loyal to him, and it's almost like convention delegates, he would have to free them and say, guys, I'm out.
I'm going to play golf.
You guys are on your own now.
Thank you for all your support.
If he did that, they'd go off on their own, and who knows?
Someone would make a play for him.
But if he says, hey, I'm still in the game, I'm making endorsements, I got a lot to do, they're going to be loyal to him because I can see him still doing rallies.
I can see him leaving office and still wanting to go beyond the stump and do rallies around the country and stump for different games.
I don't think it's going to end.
I think he loves this.
He develops a super PAC and keeps going.
Yep, I think it's going to be interesting as well.
Look, four more years in the White House and he gets to do it all if he wants to do it.
I think it's good.
But I think it is.
But I think we've also seen it, Sean, too, in all fairness.
As long as he is the main focus, which he should be, you see it splitting up in states as it gets more localized because of the difference in Republican candidates.
You see it.
It's there in a big sense, but it's not there as micro like you and I from political.
It is amazing though to come.
One last thing about the Josie, and you mentioned this, is that they don't, you know, some people in the reporters will still look down on it.
Oh, well, they bring them in.
They don't bring them in.
This is not the Trump campaign.
They literally have to wait.
They get in line.
Security people know them.
I mean, everybody knows them, but they still have to wait there.
And I've been at a couple of rallies where some of them were late or something happened.
They couldn't get where they want.
And you can see them.
They start yelling at each other.
Yeah.
Well, that's why they, like I said, they're friends and family.
They start to travel together and coordinate.
There's a Facebook page that they all talk on.
They've done vacations together.
One woman organized a boat rally in Stewart, Florida, and they all went down to it.
But it's, to your point, like, you don't need to, that's what's so, that's why, look, The media, to your point, looks down on them and doesn't understand how historic it is.
And that's why we had to make this movie.
Because people don't get it that that's not how it works.
People don't just show up and wait for you.
You usually coax them.
You're like, I have free coupons to Chick-fil-A. I've got a barbecue.
I mean, I remember Romney in 12. We did this one event in Ohio.
Kid Rock, John Rich.
I mean, it was like super...
I mean, it was a concert.
To get people to show up.
And I mean, dude, I would have shown up just to see the bands.
But you've got to do that just to get people excited.
And Trump is like, hey, I'm, you know, the warmup band is Doug Collins.
And I mean, like, you know, they bring up other politicians.
And that's what's so unique is that if you had told someone five years ago, that's how this is going to work.
They'd say the opening act is Doug Collins.
And then, you know, I'm trying to think who in Georgia is still in good favor.
But the point is, and then Kimberly or Don Jr., it's like, are you kidding me?
You think that's going to get people excited?
And it's like, yeah.
And I don't think people appreciate that when he leaves, that's not going to happen again.
Yeah.
It's going to be a lot different, folks.
You need to get it.
Sean, give it again where they can find it and everything.
SalemNow.com.
SalemNow.com.
You can stream it, buy it, rent it, gift it.
Get the DVD at SalemNow.com.
Trump's Front Row Joe's.
Trump's front row jokes, folks.
I can't think of a better way to celebrate July 5th than this.
So, Sean, great to see you as always, my friend.
Glad to be on the show.
Look forward to seeing you again on your show.
Again, the Sean Spicer show.
You want to pick it up wherever you can as well.
But we'll end it with that.
Go out and have a great time with your family, celebrating the after-fourth glow, and we'll be sure you and I will be talking again soon.
Thanks, Doug.
Appreciate you, too.
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