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Georgia GOP Congressman Doug Collins.
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The greatest thing I have ever heard in my whole life.
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In this house, wherever the rules are disregarded, chaos and mob rule.
It has been said today, where is bravery?
I'll tell you where bravery is found and courage is found.
It's found in this minority who has lived through the last year of nothing but rules being broken, people being put down, questions not being answered, and this majority say, be damned with anything else.
We're going to impeach and do whatever we want to do.
Why?
Because we won an election.
I guarantee you, one day you'll be back in the minority and it ain't gonna be that fun.
Alright, hey everybody.
Welcome back.
It's Friday's Finest.
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James, Chip, myself are all back after the break.
We've got lots to discuss from not only sports, from the championship weekend this past weekend, also things coming up.
We've got a little bit of political to talk about.
But then we're going to get into some fun on quarterbacks and how James and Chip are just completely wrong on quarterback selections for this draft coming up.
I'll be happy to explain, and I'm sure they'll be happy to tell me I'm wrong as we go forward here.
But also we've got hiring coaches.
Bill Belichick, Mike Vrabel will not be head coaches on the sideline come this next season.
Amazing kind of stat as you look at it.
And then also we're going to talk, going back to the archives, and this will be one where I'd love for y'all to get on there, Doug CollinsPodcast.com.
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All right, we're here, ready to go up on this side of it, and we've got our cohort here today.
Yes, I'm here, and we've got James.
James, say hello in the middle of construction zone.
Good morning, everybody.
James is talking about you.
I have nothing else to say.
Detroit lost.
I'm in a good mood.
Oh, Lord.
Listen, Detroit lost.
I'm in a good mood, guys.
All right, moving right along, we have Chip with us as well.
Chip Blake's with us and we're glad to have Chip.
Chip, everything copacetic there in Metro Atlanta?
Yes, sir.
Everything's great.
Keeping it all going.
Well, good.
Chip, let's hit a couple of quick things right now.
Politics is sort of the election campaigns of what I knew would probably happen.
They went into a lull here the last couple of weeks.
The big thing, though, that I wanted to talk about with you, and I've had a lot of conversations, I know you probably have as well, The fourth quarter reports were coming out, and especially for the committees.
Your Republican National Committee, your Democrat National Committee, your states.
And the thing that just jumped out at me is, number one, the fallout from Ronna McDaniels being re-elected as RNC chair last year is real.
And they're having trouble raising money.
But what concerns me even more as a conservative, and something you and I have had to deal with for years in campaigns, is you've got states, and I'm just going to be overarching here, Colorado, Michigan, Georgia, and Arizona, and several parties that frankly don't have enough money to start the campaign cycle right now.
Chip, how does that from a perspective of somebody consulting or for candidates who are running statewide in some of these races, the lack of a foundation Yeah, I mean, look, it's a new era, right?
And how we fund, especially as Republicans, you know, how we fund campaigns and elections.
And, you know, it seems like every cycle over the last...
Maybe over the last 12, 14, 15, 16 years, candidates have had to rely less and less upon party committees.
When I was growing up, You know, party committees, both the National Committee and state parties, you know, were the entities that were flush with cash.
And, you know, it's just not the same anymore.
I mean, you know, the era of super PACs and 501C4s, social welfare organizations as designated by the IRS, you know, they've taken a much larger role.
And, you know, donors, especially our donors on our side, You know, they want to give a little closer to specific candidates, right?
They don't feel very comfortable giving their money to a state party or even the national party.
And feeling like it's going to go to where it, you know, where it needs to go.
So as targeting's gotten more, you know, gotten more specialized over, you know, over time, so is political fundraising, right?
I mean, you know, if you want to give to a particular candidate, there's likely a super PAC or an independent political committee, depending on what state you are that can do that.
And, yeah, no, we're not in a great spot right now.
It's going to be interesting to see when Trump becomes the nominee officially, you know, whenever that is.
It'll be interesting to see if, you know, Ron and Lee Daniel stays on.
And, or if he, you know, if he brings somebody else in and asks for her to kind of step aside, and then how it, you know, how it does from a fundraising perspective, you know, that time.
But, Doug, I just think it's, you know, it's, if you're a candidate and you're, you know, you're on the ballot in November, You know, more than in previous cycles, you've got to find a way to kind of raise the money yourself with your specific campaign committee or a super PAC and an independent political committee.
And I think as every cycle goes by, that's more and more pronounced.
Yeah, for anybody out there that thought that McCain-Feingold was a good thing is just ridiculous.
I mean, because you go back and look at it now, what McCain-Feingold did was did not take money out of politics.
What it did was make it go into the shadows even more.
In which you took it out of the power...
And again, people didn't like the, quote, party politics, okay?
They didn't like the party and RNC and the DNC and all this.
But really now, at least there, there was a focal point where you could look for, okay, here's where it's heading.
We see this.
And then you had the parties and the candidates going by that.
You don't have that now.
You have no idea where you're going to get hit from, who from, by from.
And now we're seeing in California, I just saw this, you know, the old...
A trick is happening out there now.
Adam Schiff is actually running ads to promote Steve Garvey in that Senate primary so that he can come in second ahead of Katie Porter.
Again, believing that, and rightfully so by the polling, that he can beat Steve Garvey easier than he can beat Katie Porter.
You know, that's the thing.
A national party or...
You know, or a local party could never make that play with a Steve Garvey candidacy.
But, you know, I mean, you can, you know, right now.
What makes it very interesting, Doug, on our side, you know, our nominee is going to be on the opposite side of a 98 and 96, 96, 98 count, you know, felony political indictment.
So, you know, the National Party is not going to be raising money for voter contact.
They're going to be raising money to pay lawyers, right?
And, you know, that's what, you know, Trump's back's been doing a good job of.
And, you know, when these reports came out, I mean, that's what the mainstream media is kind of focused on is how much money he's paid lawyers in that amount of time.
And it's an astounding amount.
It kind of gives you, you know, it gives you a kind of a peek behind the curtain on exactly what he's up against from a legal perspective.
Yeah, and he's also, and again, all at the same point, you know, the money and everything else.
Poll came out just, you know, we're on Friday morning.
We're actually taping this the night before.
On Thursday night, just came out.
A new Fox survey out of Georgia had Trump at 51% to 43% for Biden.
Outside the A points is outside the margin of error.
And interestingly enough, The breakdowns, and this is Chip, you and I, you know, of course we're the ones who go to look at the breakdowns and some of the crosstabs, and they have put out some of it.
What was interesting is, is of the Georgia voters favoring Trump.
This was an interesting statistic.
No doubt among white evangelicals, no doubt among conservatives, whites without degrees, rural voters, independents, 51-31, Trump in Georgia.
But this one is one that I don't know how to take, and I'm not sure where it'll land.
Voters under 35, Trump 50, Biden 43. I mean, this early look, and you and I both know snapshots in time, I get that, but that's an interesting place.
If you're a Biden campaign looking at Georgia right now, and you're seeing that number, and you're also seeing, let me go back to this right quick, there was, this one is another number for Biden that I think would need to worry about.
It's about right, but you look at this, he is at 23%, but Trump is at 23% African American voters in this poll.
Yeah, I was just about to mention that, Doug.
I mean, you know, look, it's been a bad couple months for the president.
It's been a good couple months for Donald Trump.
I mean, at the end of the day, I think, you know, those voters that Joe Biden has lost over the last two months, I think, probably come home to him.
You know, I don't think it's, I mean, the reality is, you know, 2.3 out of every 10 African American voters are not going to be voting for Donald Trump.
It's just the reality of it.
But he doesn't need that in order to win.
I mean, if Donald Trump gets 11, 12% of the black vote, he's going to be president again.
You know, and so, yeah, look, I mean, these are snapshots in time, but the snapshots that we're looking at look really good and they look really favorable.
And if you're a Democrat, there's not a lot in there other than knowing that you have a lot of time between, you know, early February and early November.
And at this point in time, you know, that's the best thing going for you is the resource of time.
Hey, Chip, I want to bring up Wisconsin's also came out last tonight as well, last time when we were talking about, but Wisconsin was an interesting part.
It's dead heat, by the way.
Dead heat, 47-47 in Wisconsin, which for Trump, as a Republican running it, that's where you want to be.
I mean, that tells you that you're in the game.
That's right.
But interestingly enough, Here's an interesting thing.
Economy in both Georgia and Wisconsin was number one, over 50%.
You know what the number two in both Wisconsin and Georgia were?
Immigration?
Nope.
Immigration?
No.
What is it?
Election integrity.
52% and 51% in Georgia and in Wisconsin.
Wow.
Immigration actually came in lower in Georgia than it did in Wisconsin.
It was 43% in Wisconsin.
I think it was 30s, 40s in Georgia.
So anyway, I just thought that was interesting.
That's a really good sign.
That's a really good sign for the former president.
Yeah, it really is.
I mean, you look at this, because if that's going to be the...
Oh, here's another one.
They asked in Wisconsin, part of the poll came out, concerning mental soundness of the nominees.
In Wisconsin, this is a concern, if you're a Biden supporter, 61% had mental concerns on Joe Biden.
Only 51% on Trump, of the total poll.
That's an interesting, you know, number to look at here.
Breakdowns, cross tabs are all there.
This was a sample, 26th through the 30th, so in the last week, this was landline, cell phones, and texts, full sample, 3% margin.
You know, Beacon Research Hall, this is one that did it.
So anyway, not to dwell on that, Jill, but I mean, I think you don't have to look at these numbers right now.
For all the hand-wringing, which could get worse, and will probably get worse as it goes along, Donald Trump's in a unique position, and I made this comment to somebody the other day, and this will be where we sort of finish up politics for the night.
I think, you know, I've said this before, and we talked about this on the podcast, I think 2016 is a good, I think, at least a narrative you can point to because of the big themes of the Democrats, the more focus on individual issues by the Republicans.
But take it back to 1980, okay?
The first Reagan, Carter.
Carter had similar...
Carter's numbers were lower, nowhere higher than where Biden's at.
But if you remember that election, for those who historically have not, that election was close, very close up until the last couple of weeks.
And then it broke for Reagan.
And it broke because they actually started looking at the two candidates and they said, we really don't want to go further here.
With Carter, and there's a lot of things out there, and it broke for Reagan.
Here's an interesting thing.
I think the last three weeks or possibly four weeks of this campaign, you're going to see a push that is going to be in many of these swing states that has some kind of ring like this.
It's not resonating with Haley, says it, but it will resonate, I believe.
At least they're going to have to deal with it in the last three weeks, and that is, are you going to vote for Donald Trump for president, or are you going to vote for Kamala Harris for president?
Because I think that's going to become more and more of a narrative when you look at this.
A hundred and ten percent.
Because I can't tell you how many people that I've just spoken with, rank and file people, people who don't do this for a living, people who aren't immersed in this like you and I are, and they say the same thing.
I mean, I don't like Joe Biden, but he doesn't scare me.
And, you know, but the thought of Kamala Harris becoming president of the United States, you know, is it's a lot different.
I mean, yeah, 110%.
I mean, for anybody that thinks that Joe Biden's going to make it, for anybody that thinks he's got another five years left in the tank, there's no way.
I mean, he'd be lucky if he has another year left in the tank, and that's when the election is.
So to think he can make it through another full term, I just don't see it.
Yeah, well, I talked to somebody just the other day who's an observer.
You know, what I'll say is an interested observer.
They follow, but they're not, you know, they're not partying, you know, go to meetings, but they watch politics, and they're informed.
And that was the comment that this person made.
They said, you know, This looks, you know, watching him walk, watching him shuffle, walking him talk, you know, it has this sort of very elderly, elderly nursing home kind of vibe to it, and it's an interesting time.
So, look, folks, we've got a lot coming up.
Nick Haley's still in, but as you can tell this week, I noticed this, Chip, the buzz around Haley on the media is not there.
I mean, the media...
No, and it's...
Yeah, and I mean, you and I don't live in South Carolina.
James doesn't either.
But, you know, I mean, it's like, you know, there was a lot of national press, you know, leading up to the Iowa caucuses and then immediately kind of rolled into the New Hampshire primaries.
It's like everybody's gone home.
And it's like nothing's there, right?
I'm sure if you live in the Columbia, South Carolina, or Charleston, South Carolina, or Greenville, Spartanburg Media Market, I'm sure you're getting inundated with paid ads, and I'm sure candidates are coming to your hometown.
You know, if you're not there, it's, you know, it's just nothing.
And I think that benefits Trump.
I saw a poll today, still had him up 28 in South Carolina.
You know, I think you kind of, you know, a few weeks ago, or yeah, I bet maybe it was last week's show or the week before, kind of thought that she might have had two weeks, you know, two weeks left in her.
And I thought maybe three weeks.
Yeah.
It's still as hard to imagine with these numbers that we're seeing that she's going to take it to a vote, but we still have a couple weeks to find out.
Yeah, something that we're not going to delve into tonight, we'll delve into it on another podcast.
The rise of Kevin McCarthy's revenge tour is starting and it's interesting.
He's We talked about this before.
He's sitting personal campaign side, which he can roll over into a C4. I mean, he is sitting on 14 to 18 million, somewhere in that range.
He still has some access to a PAC, leadership PAC, that's another You know, several millions in there.
And Nancy Mace, Bob Good, and them are being targeted.
And there's some stories coming out about that.
Look forward to talking to you about that one soon.
We get a little more detail on that one.
Nancy Mace really got under his skin.
Yeah, she did, didn't she?
Oh, buddy.
And she's got some credible candidates in that race.
So, anyway.
All right.
Bringing this around from politics to where we are to our...
Last weekend, James.
All right, Chip, here we go.
James, the Lions lost, didn't they?
Sure did.
Do you want me to elaborate, or I don't know what you guys want from me.
If I were to elaborate, go ahead.
No, I was going to say, the Lions did the Atlanta Falcons a favor, except it just wasn't in the Super Bowl.
They blew a lead like we did.
Yeah, now they're joined by the Detroit Lions.
Because no one will ever forget the Atlanta bit.
But now you can say they're not the only idiots.
And ironically, that idiot just got a job today.
Or yesterday.
But yeah, Detroit losing is fantastic because...
The Vikings are not going to be the only team that didn't win a Super Bowl in this division because I was certain no matter what, if Detroit rolled into Chiefs Kingdom or whatever, Vegas, they were going to stomp them because there was nothing that looked like it could stop this train.
And thank God Dan Campbell stopped that train by himself.
Because we all know he hates to kick and all that.
And I know all those people are mad that he didn't kick it.
And I know you're supposed to feel out the game.
I don't care, dude.
He said, this is how I do it.
This is how I'm always going to do it.
If you guys think I'm going to do something different, come get me and try to take my 13 cups of coffee in the morning.
I'm just really happy the Vikings got a win with the Lions losing.
And that's really all that matters to me.
Well, James, I'm glad that, you know, you really got relieved because of another team's loss.
So, Chip and I, we were really worried about that, you know, as we go here.
I'll let James stay on the roll here for a second.
James, would you have thought when we went into this after the last Monday, the first Monday after the season ended, we had, you know, Black Monday with coaches being fired, would you have guessed at the end of the time that Belichick, Vabel, and Carroll would not be coaching this next coming year?
And Dan Quinn, who after that loss with the Cowboys just completely collapsing, ending up at his chip, for those who don't know Offline Chips, aptly named the group the Commodores.
So I think that was pretty cool.
I'm shocked.
I've got to be honest.
I'm not shocked about Belichick.
Because I think you guys know what came with Belichick was the firing of a lot of people wherever he went.
So the owner inevitably makes the decision, but all those other people are probably like, don't make that choice.
That's a bad choice.
You don't want him here because they wanted to keep their jobs.
But Mike Vrabel doesn't make sense to me.
Mike Vrabel should be in Seattle, Washington, or Atlanta.
I am absolutely shook that he does not have a job.
He made a terrible Titans team competitive almost every year, and with the garbage that he was given this year, I know they weren't good, but they fought during games.
Again, they've lost some games, but the fact that Mike Vrabel's not a coach is more shocking to me than Bill Belichick, because I feel like Bill Belichick is just going to get a job next year.
I'm certain of it.
Somebody's going to give him a job, but Mike Vrabel is shocking.
Yeah, look, Chip, what do you think?
I'm not even going to talk.
I'm going to look at it.
I mean, I'm not so certain that Bill Belichick will get a job next year.
Largely because he's 72, and next year he'll be 73, right?
So depending on who you believe is, I mean, you know, there are some people that say that age was a big factor and other people that say he wanted total control.
I tend to think age is a lot bigger factor than wanting total control, right?
I mean, you know, if you just fired a head coach and you're looking to bring somebody else in...
You're really going to bring somebody in at 72 years old, and next year you're going to have to bring somebody in at 73 years old.
I mean, I think there's a possibility Bill Belichick's coach just last game in the NFL. I agree with James.
I am surprised that Mike Vrabel doesn't have a job in the NFL. I think he will next year for certain.
You know, and, you know, candidly, it might be good for him to kind of take a year off.
He can, you know, get a contract with Fox or CBS and go into studio and, you know, and kind of, you know, interact with the game of football that way.
But, yeah, no, a lot of surprises, man.
I mean, if, you know, two weeks ago or two and a half weeks ago, three weeks ago when all these, you know, when all these openings came about, I felt very certain that, you You know, more than I did about Mike Vrabel, I thought for certain that Bill Belichick would have a head coaching job.
To my knowledge, Atlanta was the only team that interviewed him.
Yeah.
Certainly the only team that interviewed him twice.
And that tells me it might not be good for Bill Belichick.
He might have coached his last game.
Yeah, the injuries weren't there.
I'm on a self-imposed...
At least another week before I'll come to have the heart to talk about Atlanta.
I'm going to hold off another week.
I'm going to just shake my head.
It's all we can do.
I mean, it is.
Doug, I'm not telling you to comment on it completely, but do you think Raheem Morris was blatantly the wrong decision?
I don't think he's the right one.
But, you know, I mean, again...
See, that's kind of where I'm at.
I'm hopeful he'll be fine.
I feel like this new...
I think there's a new defensive coordinator wave coming.
Are you guys noticing this?
I might not be breaking real news here.
Yeah, this is the D'Amico-Ryan effect.
We see this every year.
We see this every year.
If the hot coaches who got hired this year, okay, let's just say this.
Of all these coaches who get hired this year, let's just say Raheem is one of the hot ones.
That Atlanta goes on a 10-2, 10-6, win 10-11 games, make the playoffs.
Then there'll be more defensive coaches hired next year.
Now, if these coaches don't and you see the offensive-minded teams and you're going to go, it's going to flip back to offensive coaches.
You know, it's just the way it seems.
We're just going to keep doing this until we lose our minds?
Yeah, until we just sort of go.
But the problem is, I see, is Raheem has been in Atlanta.
He was not hired before Arthur Smith.
Again, like I said, I'm just trying to withhold right now because I don't want to be...
Sure.
No, no.
We'll hang on to it.
I was just curious.
I'm not happy.
Look, look, let's be honest.
Let's be honest.
Arthur Smith got fired for one reason.
That's because we drafted Kyle Pitts.
We drafted B. John Robinson.
I'm drawing a blank on Drake London.
And Tyler Altier.
Yeah, and he couldn't develop him.
So we fire him, and we hire Raheem Morris, and he's going to develop him?
Well, see, you know...
And then we have the Chargers offensive coordinator.
Okay, that was what I was going to ask.
What is wrong with them?
I know that...
That is literally...
He had a quarterback.
Atlanta is in the league many times to make Minnesota feel good about themselves.
Okay?
I mean, we're...
I didn't even say about Cleveland, but now that they're good, I guess somebody's got to step up.
Well, I will.
I will give Arthur blank credit on this.
And this comes into account, Doug, in political campaigns when there's a big debate between candidates.
And, you know, we've said this many times before on this podcast.
There's one way to win a debate.
You have to exceed expectations.
And so if Arthur Blank's job was to lower expectations amongst Falcons on how good we're going to be next year, we did it.
Because if Raheem Morris can do anything next year, I will be pleasantly surprised.
Speaking of Atlanta, why does Dan Quinn have a job?
No, I agree.
Look, there's only one inch more, and again, I'm with you up on this one, so we'll talk about it more later.
But the fact that...
Okay, help me out here.
Who hired...
I just drew the blank.
The most amazing scratch-your-head hiring of this entire cycle, though, is whoever hired Arthur Smith as offensive coordinator...
Steelers.
The Steelers, I mean, that's the first...
As Chan Gailey loves to say, the Steelers are an organization you can count on every year to do it right.
Somebody is asleep at the wheel.
I mean...
Well, just know that you can...
Well, no, just know to draft the backup Steelers tight end in your fantasy draft and you're totally fine.
Yeah.
I mean, I can't imagine why they would do that.
Chip brought up a great point about who's going to take Bijan, who's going to take these players.
And again, without a quarterback.
You know, for all intents and purposes, and they're going to bring Raheem Morris to do that, you're going to take Arthur Smith, who had legitimate offensive talent on his side of the ball, and you're going to put him in what was arguably one of the most unorganized, poorly performing offenses this year that if it wasn't for Tomlin, I think probably would have been even worse.
And to expect him to turn that around, I just don't see that.
Unless he's working for free.
Well, but, you know, look, I tend to agree with that from a 30,000-foot level, but I also know, Doug, that, you know, the graveyard of NFL head coaches is filled with people who don't make it good as number one, but do good as number two, right?
Well, and you got the...
Yeah, we got a lot of folks like that.
You know, and it's why Eric, Andy Reid has been such a good coach because he's been able to keep assistants who are good at number twos for a long time.
And he's got that coaching staff, you know, in there and working on it.
Again, lots of discussion there.
Let's...
I'll tell you what.
I know I told it in the interview.
First off, we were going to discuss quarterback.
We're going to hold off closer to the draft.
I'll just hold off closer to the draft.
For those who are wondering, we have a text, Shane, going between the three of us.
And I agree with a former scout that Caleb Williams is not a generational talent.
I've said that from day one.
But we'll talk about that closer to the draft.
I'll leave that off because I want to get to something else tonight.
And that is, by the way, Oakland, I'll still call them Oakland.
It'll always be Oakland in my heart.
Raiders did finally sew up and get their coach, and I think that's going to be good.
By the way, did y'all see the clip that they did right after he finally got the job?
No.
No.
It was pretty cool.
He walked in, they sort of show him walking into the office and turning around, and he looked at the camera and said something to the effect of Raider Up, let's go, or something like that.
And it's like, oh my God, let's go run through a wall.
It was great.
So I think Crosby and him, I'll start off the year, you know, right now, and yeah, I love the Raiders, but I'll start off right now saying, you know, don't, I think next year they could be the sleeper, you know, in this, you know, the Houston Texans kind of sleeper next year as we go, if they can put a quarterback together.
If your quarterback situation is right, absolutely.
Yeah, I agree as we go forward.
All right, let's have some fun here.
We've been going for a little while, and we haven't had some fun topics in the last little bit.
Now, one fun topic that's sort of gotten very old is, at this point, and James brought this up with the conspiracy theories around Taylor Swift.
Let me just get this out in the open now for everybody who wonders.
Taylor Smith endorsed Joe Biden in 2020. It's not a shock that she probably will endorse Joe Biden in 2024. And the fact that she's dating Travis Kelsey, for all of you out there who believe the internets that say that she's dating Travis to get famous, you're not the brightest puppies in the world.
Let's just understand here.
She's far more...
Whether you like it or not, understandably famous than he is, and far more wealthier than he is in this site.
But the one thing is, I did see this one.
This is the only Taylor Swift, Travis Kelsey I'll let into the show today.
And that is, I did see this.
What are the odds, let's do our bookmaking odds, that after the Super Bowl, there's actually a betting line on this that he proposes to Taylor Swift after the Super Bowl.
He ain't doing that.
It's not happening.
He's so excited by that prospect.
The Kelsey boys are constantly up to something, and they are for the theatrics, but then everyone would just assume it's a ploy, and they're doing this for ratings in the NFL. Travis Kelsey will not be allowed to propose to her after the Super Bowl.
I assure you that.
Okay.
Well, I have a question.
Was the other Kelsey brother in timeout this weekend?
Did you notice that?
Oh, yeah.
No, he was on his best behavior.
Yeah, he was sitting in one of the outside boxes with his dad.
Yeah, they put him in his dad.
His wife got it.
She could tell during the post interview, she's like, he told me he was going to do it, and I told him not to.
He was in the doghouse.
Yeah, no, you only do that once a year.
Yeah, that was it.
You certainly don't do it every week.
Did you guys see someone posted an idea?
Maybe you guys saw this, that there should be an HBO series where Jason Kelsey goes to every stadium during the NFL season, or as many as he can.
And tailgates with the fans to get each tailgating experience sort of like an Anthony Bourdain-style football tailgate show.
Honestly, I'm watching that every night.
I am.
Who ever thought of that?
I was going to get the guy's name.
Genius idea.
He would become the Tony Saragossa.
We need a new goose.
Absolutely.
He could be the new goose.
Every day he has to be shirtless.
I'm all for it.
Let's just do it.
I agree.
But Jason was definitely in timeout.
And when you could see him, he was sitting there.
He was definitely in timeout.
Now, his wife was up in the box with Taylor, but he was in timeout.
Yeah, because he didn't talk to her.
They were separate.
His wife didn't take her shirt off in Buffalo the week before and drink 30 Miller Lights.
Gotta love it.
Alright, moving right along to TV. This is the point in the show where James would interject the special music, the music from Elvis coming into the stadium for his concert or wherever, the big hype music here, because it was announced this week, Full Swing 2 is coming in March to Netflix.
We're back, baby.
We're back.
And Rory is actually part of the full swing.
This is going to be interesting.
Really?
Yep.
Yeah, they did a lot of them this year.
It looks like they went around and just they did a lot of singles.
But it's going to be interesting to see, especially with all the Liv and other, you know, because the first season had the beginning of Liv.
Well, this year was the torture of Liv, so to speak.
You want me to read off some of the names?
Yeah, read some of the names right quick.
So you got Rory, Justin Thomas, Dustin Johnson, Ricky Fowler, Tom Kim, Joel Damon, I don't know if I know who that is, Matt Fitzpatrick, Alec Fitzpatrick, Wyndham Clark, Keegan Bradley, and Justin Rose, along with Ryder Cup captains Luke Donald and Zach Johnson.
That's a good lineup.
It's going to be fun.
The Ricky Fowler thing, he's the most fascinating person to me.
Ricky Fowler?
He's the only famous person I know who's done nothing.
Rick, you've got it.
Because it's not his fault.
I'm not blaming...
Go ahead.
We could come up with some folks there to help you out, James.
Famous people who've done nothing.
Unfortunately, a lot of them are in politics.
Alright, you're right.
The internet is still with that.
I guess what I'm saying is, in this context, in sports, it's so rare that, like, maybe like a Dylan Brooks for basketball when he was just a villain.
But, like, it's a single sport.
He has to accomplish things, and he doesn't.
And they're like, yeah, but he's got an orange t-shirt on, so let's go for it.
Well, but he wears an orange t-shirt with orange pants, and that's why he's different.
True, true.
It's orange on orange.
My apologies.
Well, so we've got Netflix coming back out with Full Swing.
They kept that under wraps a great deal.
I'm glad to see that happening as well.
But turning back to our golden days of our youth, I don't watch a lot of TV much anymore at all.
I just don't.
I'm not home enough.
When I am home enough, we'll watch a movie, we'll do stuff like that.
But When I travel, especially when I have to go do other things, I see there's a channel called MeTV out there, folks, if you're ever wondering about it.
It shows old shows from the 60s.
In the morning, you can wake up with an old show called Dragnet.
And if you've never watched Dragnet, I would highly encourage you to go find it.
You talk about stuff that you never...
And this is going to be our conversation here for the next little bit.
Dragnet, Adam12...
Emergency.
These were shows that were really interesting coming out of California.
They're based out there.
Chips in the 70s.
But that had actually moral meaning to them.
I mean, if you ever watch Dragnet, there's some, you know, some really interesting conversations.
But anyway, I digress into that saying I love to go back and look at these old stuff.
So James and Chip, our goal for the next little bit is to discuss And since, James, yes, you claim to be a 2000s kid.
For those of us who started all the way back in the 70s watching TV and 80s and the 90s and now 2000s for James, think about it.
Let's do this first.
Let's talk about it.
Just right off the bat, we'll go sort of quickly around it because I want to get to some segments here.
James, we'll start with you.
Give us three shows from...
Two or three from your childhood?
I can give you one as a kid that I watch with my dad all the time.
Two of them actually we watch all the time.
Three Stooges and Sanford and Son.
And if we're talking about me personally, what I watched as a little kid, we're talking about like little kid, Spongebob.
Just a fact.
That was my childhood.
What about when you grew up a little bit?
I grew up a little bit.
Well, the 2000s, what were the 2000s show?
Were you a Grey's Anatomy guy or were you a...
I mean, occasionally I was forced to watch that garbage because my mom was watching it.
I'm trying to...
You know what?
You know what I watched a lot when I came home from school?
Scrubs.
Scrubs.
Scrubs was on a marathon every day after school.
Yeah, I can say that.
All right, Chip.
Oh, gosh.
You know, I'm a little...
There's two or three that just jump out at you if you remember.
I'm a little older than James.
I mean, you mentioned Chips.
I love watching that.
I mean, Ponch and John, are you kidding me?
Oh, yeah.
You know, the California Highway Patrol, but...
Oh, yeah.
How about...
How about Family Ties and maybe some Growing Pains?
Oh, there we go.
Growing Pains is on in my house a lot.
I forgot about that.
The era of Michael J. Fox.
Yes.
In the 80s.
Those were all classics.
For me, going back into when I think about shows like that 30-minute, Lisa, my bride, does not like 30-minute shows.
There's very few that she'll watch.
I grew up watching them.
For me, 30-minute shows or an hour show, some of these, I would have to say growing up, were stuff like the Jeffersons.
Yeah.
Our show, the Hill Street Blues.
Oh, wow.
That was an hour.
Yeah, Hill Street Blues was an hour, actually.
But then you can't get away from the classics here.
Cheers.
I was just about to say cheers.
Norm, sitting at the bar.
Cheers.
And then if you get into 90s, you've got Frasier.
And of course, you know, you got the all-popular ones back in the day as well.
You know, you mentioned Family Ties and other Facts of Life.
You also mentioned the Cosby Show from that time frame.
Everybody watched.
But then, so those are the ones that you remember.
The one that there's, I'm going to mention one and I'm going to go back to it and we'll see and I'll give you some time to think about it in this.
One that Was interesting to me, didn't last a long time, but it was, and I think it was an hour, if I'm not mistaken, back in the day, was a show called The White Knight.
And it was about Ken, whatever, he was a basketball coach, a white basketball coach who coached at an inner-city school.
And it was the funniest show.
And they sort of did the whole thing.
But I remember that was a topic as we go back.
So I want y'all to think about it.
And if you come up with one, if you remember that, you know, like, wow, I hadn't thought about that one in years as we go.
But...
And, you know, if you go back far enough here, and I would love to hear, did y'all ever watch, or I'm sure you're going to rerun some of you, Happy Days, Welcome Back Cotter, those shows like that.
James, does those even ring a bell to you?
Oh, yeah.
No, no, no.
Listen, I grew up, my parents watched all that stuff, and they were on reruns, so we watched any show you named from the 70s and 80s.
I've probably seen part of it.
I watched so much Cheers.
Me and my brother, like, used to do, like, we did a marathon of Cheers, like, later on in life, and it's even better now than it ever was when we were little because we couldn't pay attention.
You know, you can't pay attention when you're a kid.
You're just, like...
Yeah, whatever.
I'll just, you know, some of this stuff is funny, but then you get the jokes when you're older, you know what I'm saying?
Oh, yeah.
And it's so great.
George went, you know, the characters in Cheers, and then when they blended into Frasier, you know, it was just pretty amazing.
All right, Chip, I'm going to start with you.
Well...
Go ahead.
Uh-oh.
No, I was going to say my favorite joke from Cheers is when Norm walks in and they say, what are you up to, Norm?
And he says, my goal weight if I was seven feet tall.
That's my favorite joke.
Yeah, those one-liners from Norm coming in were some of the best in the world.
Yeah, all the time.
The riders were just amazing in that.
All right, Chip, back to it.
One or two, and if you think of one, if we think about it now, how our world has changed and the discussions that you have, think back to a show of the 60s or 70s or 80s that could not be made today.
Oh, wow.
In the form that it was in those days.
Oh, wow.
Uh...
Oh, wow.
Can I phone a friend?
Because James has mentioned one.
Let's go to James.
And then maybe I'll let you think of one.
James, you named one, I think.
I named one?
Yep.
There's no way the jokes could go away.
There's no way.
Absolutely no way.
Well, originally...
Oh, Sanford and Son.
There you go.
There is no way.
No way.
I was going to say The Office.
The Office is a pretty one that people talk about.
And Early Always Sunny.
Like, now they've changed a bit, but Early Always Sunny could not do any of the stuff they did to start.
That shows...
Incredible.
And another one, I don't know if they can get away with it.
I think they got away with it because it wasn't too crude, but you guys ever watch the league?
I think that's when they were on the fence.
Yeah, I didn't say that much.
Chip, you thought of one?
How about Laverne and Shirley?
Okay.
Yeah, some of the jokes.
I'm a little hard to replicate today.
Yeah.
That's the one.
And I'm trying to think as well.
How about Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids?
Yeah, you couldn't do that as much anymore.
Probably couldn't do that today.
Married with children.
Yeah, married with children would definitely be a problem.
Yeah, you can't do that.
But you mentioned a second ago, one of the big ones you could not pull off today is All in the Family.
No, can't do it.
How about the Dukes of Hazzard?
Nope, couldn't do Dukes of Hazzard either.
Could not do the Dukes of Hazzard.
And, you know, here's the sad part about it.
And this will be commentary.
We do this for fun and we're having fun with it.
But think about it.
If we can't have a show like All in the Family or Sanford and Son that...
Maud, which is one that you don't hear about because it was even late night for back in the 70s.
They wouldn't put it on until, you know, 10 o'clock.
Maud, the Jeffersons would be hard in many ways to put on right now.
But if you think about it, and I'm sure you see this, I don't know if you see it on your Instagram files, there's some places out there that do like old clips and stuff, and they show some of these clips, and it's like how the world has changed in 40 years.
It's like now our sensitivity is like, oh, how can I say that?
And the reality is when we watched it the first time, they were actually commentating on real life.
It was not, you know, When Sanford and Son was doing, when Red Fox would talk about the state of his community, and there's this one famous clip, and I'll clean it completely up.
He's in court with his son, Lamont, and Lamont's on for a speeding ticket, and there's two white officers who just arrested him, and they said, oh, there was no racial animus in this at all.
And Red Fox gets up, and he's playing the lawyer, and he turns around, and he says, how many other, he said, do you arrest anybody else except that it doesn't look like him?
And they said, oh, we arrested anybody else.
He said, well, look around this courtroom.
And around the courtroom was nothing but African-American defendants.
But he was using words today that we can't use except in rap music.
And it was like, this was on...
You know, 9 o'clock TV every week.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
You know, talking, you know, Archie Bunker talking about the neighborhood and talking about, you know, just showing.
And again, it showed not that you applaud the basically the racism or the ignorance, but it was stuff, Chip, that we heard.
And James, I mean, in your neighborhoods, you heard.
And it's almost like now that we take away And this is the council culture of so much that we have.
If you're removing statues, you're removing history, you're removing these honest discussions, then that's not reflective of real life.
Yeah, there's a lot we can't do.
And I think some of it's good.
I think we've made some actual progress.
Like, for the statue thing, right?
I don't have a problem with us taking it down.
I have a problem with us not putting it somewhere to make it clear why that person was taken down.
Yeah.
That's what I think.
Like, all right, let's use Robert E. Lee as an example, right?
He fought in a war and essentially against America and what we have now.
His stats was taken down, but in my opinion, let's take it down and put it somewhere where we can discuss why it was taken down and what his historical context of it is.
That, to me, makes more sense if you want to take it there.
That's just how I feel about it.
Well, I heard this said a while back, Chip, and I'd love to get your comment.
You're in for a problem with If you start judging past historical figures by current moral standards.
Oh, 110%.
Look, you can't.
Yeah, look, but it's where today's left wants us to go.
You know, and I mean, everything's got to change, right?
You know, I mean, look at the evolution of Joe Biden.
You know, look at where the Democratic Party is today and where he is today and some of the sound bites from the, you know, from the 80s when he was in the Senate.
I mean, you know, look, just this week we had the terrible tragedy in Jordan where we had three service members from Georgia, from a reserve unit in Georgia that lost their lives.
And all around national news, it said they were, you know, they were based at Fort Moore in Georgia.
And I'm like, where's Fort Moore?
I mean, that's Fort Benning.
Yeah, it is.
That's the home of the infantry.
It's Fort Benning.
Yeah.
But, you know, I guess it didn't work.
And, you know, they had to change the name because...
Some historical significance, and now they're talking about Fort Moore, and nobody knows where the hell Fort Moore is.
Well, the question is, Chip, I don't care if Benning, the namesake of Fort Benning, was a dirty, rotten scoundrel.
I would have never been able to tell you who that was.
Me neither!
I still today couldn't tell you who it was.
Couldn't either.
I couldn't tell you who Moore is either.
Hal Moore.
You do know Hal Moore, because Hal Moore is the, we were soldiers.
Okay, Hal Moore.
I did not know it was Hal Moore.
See, there you go.
There you go.
I only knew that because I had known about it.
So, look, but here, I'm going to make the end.
Here's how we're going to end the program day, because I didn't bring it up just to have fun and say, you know, council cultures, you know, all this.
But I believe fully in my heart that much of the progress made by In television, equality, others, came from those shows that pushed the envelope, that pushed the edge of talking about what it was like to live in a projects in the Good Times show.
What it was like to live in basically an outside suburban New York, New Jersey kind of household and all in the family, James.
That, you know, dealt with those issues and where you dealt with them and it pushed us forward into the 80s when you got the Cosby Show and the Facts of Life and you got these other, you know, there's things that powerful change that can take place there.
But my question is, is where is those shows for the next generation?
Where are we pushing ourselves to do better?
And we don't have them.
We just don't have them.
And I think that's the interesting, you know, the point I was trying to make in this.
Well, I'll say this, and I'll let James comment to it.
Because back then, racism was racism, right?
I mean, racism was the traditional definition of racism, which means one who holds a disdain for somebody else's race.
Now, racism is somebody who disagrees with you politically.
I mean, it's just that simple.
I mean, it's not.
I mean, if you disagree with somebody politically, well, they must be racist.
That's why they're doing that.
And, you know, back in the 70s and 80s, racism was racism.
Today, it's a word that's thrown around, you know, for political rhetoric.
And I blame the left for that.
But, you know, the right's a little bit to blame for that, too.
But, you know, everything now, everything now, everything now in politics is race.
Everything.
You know, I mean, you know, Joe Biden said so when, you know, we had that opening for the Supreme Court.
I'm going to pick an African-American female.
Okay, well, he did.
He's got the right to do that.
And now he finds himself in a position, as we were talking about, you know, he picked a vice president who's wrapping up her first term as vice president.
And she's not a very strong first.
She's not a very strong vice president.
And, you know, it's put him in a position where, you know, there are a lot of people that might vote for him over You know, that might vote for him over Donald Trump, you know, have concerns that he can't make it four years and then Kamala Harris might be president of the United States.
It's a big deal.
It is.
James, where do you see it going?
I guess the reason I think there's less shows like that, yes, because people try to avoid as many controversial topics as possible so their show gets to stay on the air.
But also because I think because of social media, we have that 24-7.
And I think outside of like real serious HBO shows and stuff like that, there's not a necessity for it because it's always in our face.
So the shows that we have, I think, are somewhat to get us away from that for a little while.
So like something like The Bear exists, right?
You guys know that show.
That show is not about...
Your sexual orientation, racism, any of that stuff.
There's parts of it in there, I'm sure.
They have to always throw something in there.
But for the most part, that's about a family that's really screwed up and just trying to make their way.
And I think that's what people, like, people need the reprieve from a lot of the stuff because it's all online and there's no real answer for it.
Because like Chip said, it's a lot of just, if you disagree with me, I think you're wrong.
So if I had to guess, I would say most shows are trying to be a reprieve from it rather than force the element because back then you guys didn't have 24-7 coverage of everything.
Yeah, and that's partly true.
I mean, Jim and I have seen that evolution in the staff offices for congressional.
I mean, used to they had to wait for the paper to come out or they had to look for something and now they actually know about bills before we even know about bills.
And you're a member of Congress.
I mean, I've had that happen.
I had a guy call in one time and chewed our staff out for why I wasn't a co-sponsor on a bill.
And come to hear it, the bill had not even been dropped.
It had only been spoken of on an interview that made it onto social media, and we had somebody chewing us out because we hadn't co-sponsored it.
The bill hadn't even dropped yet.
Exactly.
So, look, we've got a lot of things going on, but isn't it amazing, though, guys, that we finish up tonight that all of this is circular, all up from politics to culture to sports to everything else.
It all seems to roll back, you know, into the same thing.
You know, and it's...
Let's learn that everybody's valuable.
Everybody is needed.
Our society works best when we work together in the legal, you know, prospects of this world.
And that, you know, The absolute...
The goal, whether you go back to the Martin Luther King of the Civil Rights Movement, you go back to the abolitionists, is that we get to a society where folks are judged by being folks.
Judge or judge.
We're honest with each other.
We love each other.
And you don't...
And it hurt me the other day to see some of the coaches being hired in the NFL. We talk about coaches all the time.
Some of the African-American coaches having to say how they felt about being in that...
And when they didn't give the right answer, the media attacked them for it.
When they said, look...
You know, I don't want to be seen as being the adjective then coach.
I don't want to be an African-American coach.
I want to be a coach.
Is that not where we need to be?
So I end tonight by saying, folks...
Look, let's truly live the dream of not treating anybody bad because of their race, their choices.
Treat everybody well.
You don't have to agree with them, folks.
But, you know, look, we're in this together.
And if we're not in this together, we're going to be in trouble apart.
And we've got to keep that up.
So another wonderful evening of the taping.
A wonderful morning here on Friday for Friday's Finest.
Hope you got something out of it today.
We'll have a lot more next week when Chip and James and I get together again to bring you another Finest.
Chip, your first last word.
Hey, look, the Grammy's this weekend.
Then Taylor Swift gets on a plane.
She goes to Tokyo.
She does four shows.
Then she goes to Las Vegas.
Then she goes to Australia.
It's going to be a long week, Doug, but we're ready for it.
Thanks for listening.
Here we go.
James, here we go.
Doug said it all.
I mean, Chip just said it all.
It's all about Taylor Swift until the Super Bowl ends.
Okay, my last word is, I still think Nikki Haley gets out within the next 10 days before the South Carolina primary.
This is over, and welcome to the longest general election period in history.
And with that, we'll see you next time on the Doug Collins Podcast.
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