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Jan. 30, 2024 - Doug Collins Podcast
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On the Brink, a closer look at the Middle East!
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We're going to be discussing some really current world events.
And I've talked about this one for a while.
After the break, we're going to get in and dig into it a little bit more.
And that is the whole situation in the Middle East right now, which is teetering on the brink of not just a regional war, but could actually break out into a further conflict here.
Because what we dreaded happening has happened.
And we have lost service members on a drone attack in Jordan, within the last 48 hours, and this is pushing us further into this conflict that has happened, and we're going to have to deal with it.
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Let's start off where, and just sort of lay of land here.
I think this is important for those who are following the episodes as far as they come right now, as far as what's happening in the Middle East and since Gaza, since October 7th when Hamas terrorists infiltrated the Israel border came over, murdered over a thousand people, kept hostages.
I mean, this whole thing's been going on.
And since then, look, Israel has been slowly but surely annihilating Hamas out of Gaza, which has been very difficult.
It's also coming at a cost of civilian casualties along with Hamas casualties.
But again, this is something that is looked at as war.
And these are the same people who know that Hamas is In control, and they put them in control, and this is, you know, just become more and more frustrating all along for the world as we deal with this, especially when you're dealing with a country that doesn't feel like that they should Recognize Israel's even right to exist.
So, let's put the battlefield in perspective.
I don't think we've done this a while.
We've talked around it, so I want to do this today.
We'll spend some time on this.
Again, not long, but enough to give you a perspective.
Now, let's think about where we're at.
We're in the Middle East.
Israel is surrounded by people basically who do not like them.
The Trump administration made, through the Abraham Accords and others, made some strides in the Middle East that had not been made before.
They actually moved the U.S. Embassy back to Jerusalem, where president upon president had promised and never followed through on.
Donald Trump actually fulfilled that promise.
And for the most part, the Middle East was quiet.
And part of that came from a perspective that they did not know what Donald Trump would actually do.
They understood what he said he would do, and then he followed through on it.
If you don't believe it, ask Iran and Soleimani.
Now, the minute The Biden administration got back into power.
It seems like besides trying to ruin domestic energy production here in the U.S. and doing other things, spending money that caused an inflation cycle that is now they're saying it's out of the inflationary cycle, but it was them who caused it to get back out of it and spend more money in the process.
It's just a ridiculous argument back and forth here.
And Elizabeth Warren actually had the audacity, Senator Elizabeth Warren actually had the audacity to say, well, we had two choices, austerity or spending money to see which one gets us out of an inflationary cycle.
And we went with investments and see it work.
No, it didn't.
But again, you can't cause a problem and then say it.
Otherwise, basically what she's saying is, let's experiment on the American people and let their suffering determine who is right or who wrong here.
And again, Elizabeth, if that's the way you like to play with the American people, not a good act to follow.
The federal government needs to have its act together, and it needs to be in such a position that it doesn't cause the very problems that it claims to be solving.
But back to the Middle East.
The other area that the Biden administration decided to do is, once they came in, they decided to actually open back up the Iran nuclear agreement they wanted to take and become.
I don't know how they would comprehend this, basically, on friendly diplomatic terms with the Iranian mullahs, who, again, have no thought of Israel having a right to exist at all.
They're constantly spending money in this area.
This is where this whole discussion comes into play.
Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis in Yemen, various other groups spread out through the areas in Syria and Iraq and others are all funded by Iraq, out of Iraq, are funded by Iran that are in Iraq and in Syria and in these other places.
They're funded by Iran.
Iran is the one who is writing the checks.
You do not have these organizations, and especially in the predicament that they are in the position that they are of power, have you not had Iran.
Think of it like your children.
Your children, when they are young, they get money from you, they get shelter from you, they get protection from you, they get everything from you.
In essence, they Are acting under your protection, if not your outright agent, in these areas.
And this is exactly what the case is with these militia groups that are Iranian-backed militia groups.
Hamas, again, funded through Iran and then through just basic extortion of their own people.
This is what led to the war starting in October.
We still see this going on to this day.
It is coming, I think, closer and closer to an end.
You've got Hezbollah in Lebanon.
who has a political arm up there as well as their military arm, they have been under a lot of pressure to enter into more of a conflict with Israel in this, but they have also saw what happened the last time they did it, and it didn't end up real well for them a few years ago when Israel came in and basically laid waste to most of their and it didn't end up real well for them a few Now, Hezbollah is much better funded in a sense of equipment, manpower, and others than Hamas is, but so far they have tended to stay out.
If you remember their early statements that they would basically escalate as things in Gaza escalated, well, they've not shown that to be a problem.
This has opened the door for other smaller militia groups who are funded, again, by Iran to place attacks.
There's been approximately 150 attacks on U.S. military installations since October in the Middle East.
We have responded very cautiously, very timidly, very proportional, if you want to use the diplomatic term here, and nothing has seemed to help.
Even furthering the escalation of the Houthis in Yemen, Over the past week or so, with British help and others, is still not seemingly working.
The Houthis are still attacking ships in the area, in the Red Sea area.
And again, they feel emboldened because nothing, for the most part, has happened except these precursory strikes aimed at supplies and aimed at maybe a few of the actual terrorists themselves, who are, again, getting funded by Iran.
You have a country that can barely feed itself, and they have some of the most advanced drone and missile technologies in the world.
They wouldn't have that had it not been for Iran.
We also saw Iran's Republican Guard actually claim responsibility in Northern Iraq for a Missile attack that came very close to the American Embassy in Mosul.
A lot of these things are still going on.
And again, mainly because Iran feels no pressure.
Now, before any of you start saying, well, we don't need to run off to war.
Not what I'm saying.
But there also has to be a proportional response.
Plus, we've got to get back to what the Biden administration chose not to do when they first came in, and that was actually take Iran seriously as a primary agent of world terror.
When you look at Iran, and you look at China, and you look at North Korea, and you look at what's going on in those areas, then you see that we have sort of backed off.
In fact, if anything, we've made Iran more powerful through our botched energy policy under Biden administration, and then with the Russia war kicking off, Against Ukraine, we are actually put ourselves, after we've hurt ourselves in our own energy position in the world, they have actually caused Iran to gain more money, not only from the money we're freeing up for them for the, quote, humanitarian reasons, but also from the price of oil that they're selling to China and other places and Russia.
As you look at this whole thing, Economic sanctions.
Let's reverse back in history.
Before the Iranian nuclear deal under the Obama administration came about, which I voted against, I still think to this day, it is a bad idea, especially when presented as this is the thing to keep Iran from a nuclear weapon.
It was never intended to keep them from a nuclear weapon.
It's only to slow it down the progress of them actually making one, and really with no carrot and stick approach here.
They were under immense Economic pressure inside Iran through the economic sanctions that have been imposed for years from the United States and the rest of the world.
Now, as a lot of times happen, as the longer you get away from the understanding that Iran is the terrorist People in Europe and other places say, well, we want to get oil.
We want to trade with Iran because it has a valuable commodity.
So there is a lessening of sympathy to continue to sanction them into submission.
And that's what was happening with Europe and with others.
And this is how the Obama administration stepped in with this deal.
The problem with the deal was they never lived up to the deal, even after the implementation.
And folks like Soleimani and others were traveling the world, which they were not supposed to do.
We were seeing the monies going to terrorist organizations, which it was not supposed to be.
And this was just what was happening as we look at this Middle Eastern condition.
You've got to understand the total picture here.
So for the last roughly 10 years, and then it happened about 10 years ago when this deal...
Maybe eight to ten years ago when this deal actually struck, when Donald Trump came into office, he said, no, we're done.
We're not doing this deal anymore.
It's not a good deal for us, not a good deal for the world.
Iran, you're going to have to go back to this and actually began the process of closing the trade opportunities, the money opportunities for the Iranian leadership.
Why is that important?
Because the Iranians would have never thought about coming to the table and negotiating anything had it not been for the fact that we were starving them economically.
Their people were looking at how we cannot eat, they cannot live, they cannot go through this because the government is...
In a position where they cannot provide for their country because of the sanctions that were put on to them by the world.
That's the only reason they came to the table.
My concern at this point, and we're less than 24 hours out of this, you know, roughly in 24, 48 hour timeframe of this attack that has cost American lives.
There's been no discussion yet out of the White House about, except saying that we're going to do something about it, but nothing in the idea of cutting off money, implementing new sanctions, doing these kind of things that actually would drive, that are non-military options that do drive Iran back to the table.
That has to be approached differently.
Now, there's calls right now going out from Lindsey Graham and others, Tom Cotton, you know, just attack or terror on directly.
Okay, that's a possibility, but it is a possibility that will lead you directly into a conflict that would rival the Gulf-Afghanistan wars pretty quickly and draw in other players on the world stage.
If that's where we're headed, Then the Congress needs to act and actually declare war, the President needs to ask for the declaration of war, and then we need to go after them.
Okay?
That's the way it works.
Alright?
If that's the way you're gonna do it, then do it properly.
Now, can the president do certain things without declaring war?
Yes.
And this is where I disagree with some of my conservative counterparts and also liberal counterparts who say that everything must go through Congress.
Well, everything does go through Congress if they haven't forgotten.
It's called their money.
They can spend money or not spend money anywhere they want to spend it.
They just don't want to.
That's the problem you get into.
They don't want to take that actual vote to say, no, we're not going to fund a We're not going to do that.
And Mr. President, we'll continue to cut off the money as long as you act outside of the will of this body.
Now, if that's the will of the body, then that's what they need to do.
But the president can act in defense of this country and in having Our service members killed, and we've warned about this on this podcast now for weeks, that they were a bad missile strike away from losing lives, and we have lost lives, and that is a tragedy.
It's not just for the tragedy for the members there who are serving, but also for the families who are getting that knock on the door.
That is difficult to hear.
When you see that officer and that chaplain and others show up at the door, you know it's not a good thing.
And so this is the concern that many are having now, is where do we go from here?
The President, I believe, should figure out the best way to strike, the best way to do a military strike, especially if it can be isolated as far as the drone and other things, and take out just, you know, flat out take out whoever tried to take out our base, Power 22. Now, it needs to be followed up also, I believe, with economic sanctions.
There needs to be a world coming together here.
Yes, Russia and China will be opposed from a Security Council standpoint, but you can gather others, Britain, France, others, to say, look, you're not going to continue funding terror in the world.
And Europe needs to be paying attention to this as well because of what they see in their own...
You know, backyard of what's going on with their attacks and with the possibilities of attacks.
This is a way that can be actually unifying except for the rogue nations of the world.
And I think this is the part that we always miss.
We either want to go straight to war or we want to go straight to Just, you know, threatening.
And this administration, for some reason, has no desire to punish monetarily Iran in the economic trade avenue, which I think is a very viable part for Iran.
They need supplies.
They cannot function without having at least the humanitarian side of food and clothing and those kind of things being able to come in.
They just don't have the ability to sustain themselves without a massive ability to trade to get the items that they need.
So in looking at this, this has become more and more of a concern.
And again, I'm not going to spend a lot of time here because I think out of respect for the members who were killed, the family members and the units that are now dealing with this, We have a lot more of our soldiers and our airmen and our sailors and Marine Corps and others in harm's way there.
We've already lost two SEALs who were trying to intercept a Armament shipment.
We're now seeing loss on the ground through a drone strike.
And what is concerning, again, is how we go about this.
There's a story Just on the news that Europe is wondering, and this is becoming more and more of a written story, that Europe is wondering about what they perceive as U.S. isolationism.
In other words, U.S. not taking part in the world events as we have in the past.
And I think that's something the world has to get used to.
There's many people in our country, especially after 20 years of Iraq and Afghanistan and others, that are just tired of You know, seemingly endless wars without a point.
And you can go back as far as to Vietnam and other places, it has been building in this country for a while.
It's one of the reasons why we're seeing the decline in our military recruitment.
There's a morale issue of saying, well, we're being sent away, kept away from our families, we're being, you know, moved all the time, and yet we don't seem to have a clear vision of what the victory status is here.
This is where the Biden administration and this election year, if you remember just last week on the podcast, I gave you the, just as we gave you the ideas of what will be determinant in this election cycle.
And I talked about economics, I talked about immigration, I talked about foreign affairs.
And this is that, what we'll call, It's, you know, extra idea.
This is that one that you can't control, but when it comes, you're going to have to control it or react to it.
And that is how we're responding to this Middle East faction.
Now, Ukraine, Russia-Ukraine war, still on the back burner there.
You're looking more and more like that Congress has basically checked out on sending any more money there.
And we're going to talk about that more on a later podcast about immigration and some other things that are going on that are holding that up.
But without a plan, Congress has developed more of an attitude that we don't need to be funding and sending our troops everywhere in the world when we have our own issues, especially here.
And it is sort of ironic that we're helping send money to Ukraine to fight Russia, which is a natural enemy of ours, but also because they have For the sovereignty and integrity of their country, in which we have a border in the South that has basically been open now for almost three and a half years.
Biden finally coming out and saying that he did something about it.
But this is where I talked about, and I wanted you to understand, this is why at times foreign relations or foreign affairs are the actual drivers in an election.
And I think the standing, going back to Afghanistan's botched withdrawal, we see the Russia-Ukraine war, we see the issues of China aggression against Taiwan, we see North Korea Now flexing its muscles again and building up troops along the demilitarized zone and also shooting missiles.
You see Iran not pulling back, but actually encouraging more terrorist attacks.
You see the finishing up.
And the Biden administration believes that if they could just get Israel to quit Well, the question is, you know, is Hamas ready to say we're not going to do this anymore?
And probably the answer there is no.
And have they been crippled enough to where they cannot form another task like they did a little over three months ago?
These are all decisions the Biden administration has to have, and they came into it with a more of, you know, the idea that we're the adults in the room, we know what to do, and we're going to get back to where America, unfortunately, seemingly have more of an appeasement strategy with the world saying, you know, look, we just all want to get along, and you're all equal in our eyes, and we're just going to be here.
Folks, that all flows out.
The door.
It's like the old quote from Mike Tyson.
He said, you know, everybody has a plan going into a fight until the first time you're hit in the face.
Well, we've lost our best.
We've lost some of our finest in a Tower 22 in Jordan.
The question now is, Biden administration, what are you going to do?
Are you going to jump to another proportional response?
Are you going to try and talk Israel out of Gaza?
Are you going to go directly into Iran?
Or is there a possibility that we could see a more dynamic policy that includes going back to sanctions, going back to the economic stranglehold that we had on Iran, and also a response militarily that says, if you do this again, even if you say you're not in it, we know you are because you are funding it.
Then you will pay a price.
That's the question that we face right now.
But before we go, I cannot say any more or any less without remembering these families that will be changed forever because of that knock on the door, because of what happened hours earlier when they didn't even know anything was happening and their loved ones were lost.
Others who are still critically wounded, we may see how they turn out.
But all of this goes back to a situation in the Middle East that deserves our attention.
It is going to play heavily into the presidential election from this cycle.
And as we go forward, we'll keep you updated here on the Doug Collins Podcast.
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