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Nov. 22, 2023 - Doug Collins Podcast
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Sometimes it just has to be said
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You want to listen to a podcast?
By who?
Georgia GOP Congressman Doug Collins.
How is it?
The greatest thing I have ever heard in my whole life.
I could not believe my ears.
In this house, wherever the rules are disregarded, chaos and mob rule.
It has been said today, where is bravery?
I'll tell you where bravery is found and courage is found.
It's found in this minority who has lived through the last year of nothing but rules being broken, people being put down, questions not being answered, and this majority say, be damned with anything else.
We're going to impeach and do whatever we want to do.
Why?
Because we won an election.
I guarantee you, one day you'll be back in the minority and it ain't gonna be that fun.
Hey everybody, it's Doug Collins.
Welcome to the podcast today.
Hey, I just got some stuff from the heart I want to talk to you about today.
Nothing long.
In fact, we're going to get in and out.
Probably one of the shorter podcasts we've had, but it's going to be one of the more dynamic podcasts that we've ever had.
Because it comes off of a discussion I had last night when I was speaking to a great group of folks just recently.
And it reminded me last night when I got an email about it from a group in Dawson County, Georgia.
The Dawson County GOP. Great group of folks over there.
But it talks about how we look at the future and what we're looking at as far as messaging from the conservative movement.
So right after the break, we're going to jump into it real quick.
Just some straight from the heart kind of stuff.
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All right, we're back.
As I told you in the intro before the break, it was...
I had a great time discussing an old county that I used to represent called Dawson County, Georgia, in the GOP the other night.
And it was a really great conversation.
We talked about what's going on in the country.
We talked about the issues with the budgets and the appropriations.
But there was an honest conversation about what can we do To reach people with what we believe is the best message, which is a conservative message.
What can we actually do to be out there converting people, and especially young people, to say, hey, this is your country?
I feel so many times in podcasters, and there's some on the Great Salem Network and others, and they talk about the problems.
They talk about here's the issues, and we're all going to hell in a handbasket, and everything is bad.
I'm going to tell you right now, there's a lot of people in the country that are turned off by both liberals and conservatives who simply just keep talking about how bad the problems are.
Now look, there are problems.
I think the Biden administration is horrifically bad.
I think Jimmy Carter administration is thankful for the Biden administration.
And this is someone who thinks that the Obama administration had issues and the appeasement around the world and everything else.
Look, I know there's problems out there.
I see the 30 plus trillion dollar debt.
I see a Congress that can't act.
I see the criminal justice system, which has been perverted by liberals who think that if you don't punish crime, everything will get better.
Stupid.
But at the end of the day, how we present that and how we get people involved, because as I told this group the other night, the group that you're wanting to reach is not in this room.
The group that you're wanting to really make a difference for, because most of you in this room, and it was a group of mostly middle to senior adults who were in the room, We will not be affected by what many of us feel is the coming economic calamity of continuing debt, more government intrusion, less government freedom when it comes to our businesses and regulation.
And we're not going to be the generation that truly feels that.
And in some ways, it may not even be my kids as much, although they're in their 20s and early 30s.
But it will definitely be, because it's just the trajectory that you have to go on there.
Money just doesn't continue to accumulate without consequence.
And this is the problem that I'm seeing.
So it will be my kids and my grandkids and your kids and your grandkids who actually deal with the effects of this.
And whether it be economics or whether it be world standing or where we're at.
I posted something on Twitter the other day that really, um, come back.
It really made me think.
And it was posted off of, and I give credit where credit is due, it was actually off of a gentleman named Jamie Dupree, who's been a, uh, uh, Reporter in D.C. for years, and he put this in his actual Friday report.
And I want you to listen to this, because it talks about the definitive statements we make And having no idea what history will give us.
And I want you to think about this a second.
November 10th, 1941, on the eve of Armistice Day, which was our Veterans Day, on 1111, the lawmakers in Congress warned against what they said was a march toward another world war.
George Washington said a long time ago, we want no foreign entangles, says Rep.
Robert Jones, Republican of Ohio.
Why should we set out to police the world, asked Rep.
Paul Schaefer, Republican of Michigan.
Don't we have enough to attend to right here at home?
No one knew, but Pearl Harbor was less than a month away.
We cannot just divorce ourselves from the world in which we're in.
We cannot continue to not plan for what we may or may not have.
We cannot continue to look for simple solutions to complex problems.
And I see this all the time, and especially, you know, I'm blessed that I have two boys, and my daughter, especially my two boys, they work in the political realm, they work in the governmental realm.
You know, in dealing with this.
But they both come to me with very honest opinions of what we see is not being communicated.
It's no wonder, you know, young people who hear a Democrat message of, hey, we're going to cut your debt, we're going to give away with your college loans, we're going to make sure everybody has a universal income, not realizing that that universal income is coming out of their own pocket.
You know, all these kind of things appeal.
Because if you've been told all your life that somebody else is going to take care of you, this is what actually happens.
They begin to believe it.
But Republicans, we're not doing ourselves any favors, and maybe conservatives, however you want to put this, conservatives, Republicans, whatever, we're also not doing ourselves any favors when we simply are seen as griping about the world without offering solutions that actually can become law in many ways, but also actually begin to adjust the playing field toward those who feel like that the world has left them.
I said this before and I said on this podcast, the conservative movement is actually the one that has people first.
It's the one that takes up the mantle that we the people.
Conservatives believe that it's not government that actually solves the problem.
Is government a function of helping our society maintain order and do the things it needs to do?
Yes.
I am not a no-government conservative.
I've seen several of them out there recently.
Some actually are in Congress.
They frankly believe that government has almost zero place in the world.
And that's just wrong.
But also, government shouldn't be down to the microcosm of everything that we do.
And this is where we've got to start, I think, framing our message in a different way.
We've got to start taking this message and moving it out to saying, okay, what can we do that may not be everything I want it to do?
I mean, people who say, we'll get rid of the, you know, if you ever hear somebody that we'll get rid of the debt in 10 years, or we'll get rid of, you know, or we'll cut into the debt by X amount of dollars in 10 years.
Frankly, don't believe them.
Now, they may put forth you a proposal that says they're going to cut the deficit and get a balanced budget within 10 years.
Guess what?
Every year before you get to the balanced budget, you're adding to the debt.
And don't believe anybody who will tell you that you'll fix the debt problem and the deficit problem in this country without dealing with, and I'm going to say it, and I know that people get upset about this, but you've got to at least look for solutions to the Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and debt crisis.
If you don't, You're not being honest.
You're not being truthful with the American people.
You're not being truthful with the people from my state of Georgia and others.
And again, this is not easy to hear.
And getting here is I heard a gentleman tell a recent conference I was at discussing criminal justice and we're discussing things that work and things that don't work.
He made the comment, he stood up, he said, I was living off the system for three decades.
He said, I was that person who was in and out of jail.
I was that person who would go in and out of rehab.
I was that person that the criminal justice system kept bouncing around.
I was that person who was living off of you.
And it struck me, and he said some more, and I'll get to it in a second, but it struck me by that fact that we've allowed a system to develop in which we throw people in and out of jail without ever trying to fix the root cause of why they're there, the drug addictions, the mental health issues, and we're just simply paying for it.
So all of you who want to be tough on crime, throw everybody in jail, realize the only way that you can stop recidivism completely is to keep everybody in jail for life.
This is the only way it's going to happen, and you can't afford it.
So quit making out like you're tough and tall on criminal justice reform, and all you're doing is saying lock them up, send them away for longer sentences.
You're just mad at them, and some of them deserve to be.
Believe me, there are some who deserve the death penalty.
I'm a death penalty proponent.
There are some who deserve to be locked up and never see the lie today again.
Why?
Because they broke the social contract.
They broke the rules of normal living, and they don't deserve to get back in.
But the vast majority of them come home.
95% or more come home after a certain amount of time.
And yet we have a government, again, who looks for simple answers, just like we look for simple answers on the budget when you have members of Congress and others and state legislators who say, oh, all we got to do is just cut these five departments and everything gets better.
No, it won't.
Does it get better?
Maybe.
But then you've also got to figure out what do you do with what's left of those departments or what was there and make sure that as you look at those, have we missed anything that needed to be rolled into another department so that it could get done?
Not necessarily to, again, intrude in life, but say, let's make sure that we're doing what is proper.
As the old saying goes, don't move a fence before you know why the fence was put up.
But I'm just tired.
And hopefully you hear it in my voice today.
I am tired of the easy answers.
They're not out there all the time.
Some are.
You know, start balancing a budget.
That's an easy answer.
But then you also got to be honest when you say we're balancing the budget.
You've got to be honest with what that means.
And there's frankly not a lot of good ways to balance the budget outside of mandatory spending, which is what I said earlier, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.
Now, it doesn't mean that you don't maintain those programs for the people who are benefiting from them now.
It doesn't mean you cut people off of those programs.
But there's ways to look at these programs for those in the generations to come that actually would have a way to save these programs and not drastically cut them.
The minute you talk about this, Democrats will go into fits.
Saying, oh, you're cutting these benefits and it's for the American people and they paid into it.
Yeah, it would be better off for the federal government to write people a check at age 75 or 70 for all the money they put into those programs than to keep paying it out at a three-to-one loss.
If you don't understand what I mean, just look it up.
You get three times what you put into those programs over the course of your life.
You understood.
It's actuarial numbers.
It's not Doug Collins making up numbers.
So I want you just to think about these things as we move through them.
And deal in reality.
As you're getting ready to have an election year, I've said this before on the podcast.
Quit worrying about what passes one House or one Senate and never has a chance of getting passed into law.
It doesn't mean anything.
You've not held anybody accountable.
You've not done anything.
You've highlighted a problem.
Great.
You can do that also on a video.
But don't fool people who don't watch it all the time into thinking you've actually done something.
Democrats and liberals and Republicans and conservatives.
We do this all the time.
Why?
Because we want to raise money.
We've all been a part of it.
I'm not saying that I'm guilty of not doing it as well.
But at some point, my time is also looked at it as I look at my life getting shorter and I look at what I want to leave in this world.
I think we as conservatives have the best message, but we got to go back to the fact that we, the people, we're the ones that put them first, not government.
We're the ones that need to give them the opportunity to say, you have a choice in schools.
We need to make sure that our education system is educating kids again.
And not becoming the social welfare center in most neighborhoods and communities.
How is it, again, when you have choice and school choice and you have private school and you have public-private partnerships or charter schools in which you take kids from the same neighborhoods?
The kids down the street are failing all of their tests.
The kids in the charter school are passing all of their tests.
Don't tell me it's about the kids and the environment all the time.
It's about also educators who care about educating and are getting the proper resources and the abilities To do it.
And you're firing teachers who don't know what they're doing.
I grew up in a generation of 1984 when I graduated high school and The Breakfast Club was the big movie that year in June of 84. Or June of 85. It was the next year out.
I apologize.
I think it was.
But it came around.
I remember the janitor asking the principal, why did you go and teach it?
Do you think it would be easy?
You get summers off and it'll be a cakewalk.
And Folks, teaching is hard.
When you do it right, I have my wife taught for 31 years, my brother's been teaching over 20, my sister-in-law's been teaching, my other sister-in-law's been teaching.
Look, I get teaching is hard when you do it right.
But we got to quit making our teachers be the social administrators of everything and also quit worrying as much about how they fit in and better yet how the kids actually can learn.
If Republicans and conservatives would take on the idea of getting our education system and school choice and getting the foundational aspects back into it, we would go a lot further than where we are right now.
But teachers unions have worked to destroy that in this country.
These are the kind of things that frustrate me.
And when I have young people who turn away or young people that I see marching with pro-Hamas, you know, who don't even understand what they talk about when a Palestinian homeland, it was a British-occupied territory in which you had a mix of Jews and Palestine and Palestinians in that area before 1948. I mean, when you hear that I support Hamas in their overturn of their occupiers, remember, there's not a Jew left in Gaza.
Israel pulled out of Gaza almost 15, 16 years ago.
They elected Hamas.
Hamas is stealing money from their own people, starving their own people, and putting in tunnels and spending money.
If you don't believe it, just look where they put out on their own videos.
The money that was spent to give them water pipes and stuff so they can help their people.
They took the pipes and cut them into bombs.
So again, this is the generation we're raising.
Because they don't read history, they don't read, they don't understand where we've come from, and we're all destined to repeat it, just as I read that quote earlier about what happened a month before World War II. Now, again, understanding Pearl Harbor was coming, and you say, well, nobody could predict that.
No, but you also saw Hitler running all over Germany.
What did we think was going to happen?
America is a superpower for a reason.
We are the bright, shining light of the freedom in this world.
If we stop being that, then the world suffers for it.
Conservatives, it's time to get our act together.
It's time for us to actually engage and do everything possible to get people to the polls, to convince them that we care about them.
And they may have lifestyle choices.
They may have other things that are different than who we are.
But at the same point in time, I can still say it's wrong, but I can also still agree not to be hateful to other people.
I can still lift up other people.
I can still do what I believe my faith has called me to do.
But folks, if we don't get it together, as I had a text sent to me, a reply to one of my tweets the other day, they said, when do we listen to the common people?
Maybe we're listening, we just don't know how to talk.
That's my hope here for this podcast.
That's why I've done it now for almost two years.
Is that we can have the conversations that get us past the rhetoric, that get us past the noise to say, what can we do and how can we fix it?
I promised you a short podcast.
That's just my heart.
Conservatives, it's time to take up the message.
It's time to quit griping about liberals.
It's time to quit griping about the world.
It's time to stop sounding hateful and mean and who we're going to do this to and get back to doing what I believe we as conservatives are supposed to do.
That is to be the party of ideas, the party of hope.
Again, Democrats stole hope.
They told you that hope, they were going to give you hope.
They said they come packaged in a government program.
Hope comes not from a government program.
It comes from the heart of individuals yearning to be free.
We've got to tap into that.
Conservatives, you want to do that?
I hope you'll still listen to the podcast, Doug Collins Podcast.
I hope you actually take time to share this podcast.
I hope you go out and share these points because it's not about us in this room.
It's about the generations to come.
And what will they say about us when they are 25, 35, 45, and 55?
Did we do anything?
Or did we simply just pass it on to them?
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