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April 13, 2022 - Doug Collins Podcast
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The Open Border Invasion
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Hey everybody, great show today.
One of the biggest problems we've got going on right now, and it's the least reported problem that we have right now, is the problem we're having on the border, our southern border.
Well, I guess it depends on if it's a problem depending on your perspective, because undoubtedly it's not a problem to the Biden administration.
In fact, the Biden administration If you judge by Vice President Harris, has no idea where the southern border is, much less wanting to fix it.
As ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee and being on that committee for a long time, our primary focus in our committee was immigration law.
And I can tell you that what's going on on the border right now is a travesty.
What is happening is a national security risk and we are in, you know, we've got to fix this.
This is, and the mainstream media will not talk about this.
We're going to have A chance to talk today about our immigration problem and I'm excited to have Dale Wilcox from here from Immigration Reform Law Institute.
Got a good friend of both of ours, Tom Holmans, who's been on this show many times and Tom and I go back a long ways.
Let's just say, as you well know folks here listening to the podcast, Tom's a little bit passionate about this issue.
So he works with this group and Dale and his group have been actually fighting on the front lines, bringing lawsuits against the Biden administration, winning these lawsuits.
I just want to put it today, as you're listening to this podcast, I want you to put a perspective on just how bad our southern border has become.
In a little less than 14 months, it's getting ready to get worse.
Welcome, Dale.
Glad to have you as part of the podcast today.
Let's get started.
First, talk about your organization and what y'all do and how it affects this.
Sure.
We've been around since 1986, and we are the only not-for-profit law firm in the country that focuses solely on immigration issues.
And we come at this from a rule of law point of view.
There are a battalion of attorneys on the other side of the issue, in the ACLU, the SBLC, and I could go on and on and on, who are for or against borders.
And would prefer to fling open the doors and just let anyone in.
And we are the only group that is for pro-enforcement of the law.
And during Trump's administration, over his four years, we filed more than 180 court briefs all around the country.
So we were, every time you saw a lawsuit pop up by the ACLU at all, We were there defending the administration.
We have several programs in our group.
We principally are a law firm and we litigate, but also importantly, during the Trump administration, they rewrote a lot of regulations that put Americans first.
And we were there helping them write those regulations.
And then when they were called for notice and comment, we filed comments on those regulations, defending them in court.
So we were very busy during the Trump years because the opposition had lost their minds and were suing him left and right in liberal courts, getting wins in the lower courts.
But thankfully, when we got up to the courts of appeal in the Supreme Court, we won those cases.
And then now we find ourselves in a very different situation where Biden has taken the most secure border that has existed in my lifetime, in probably the history of the United States, and has wrecked it, and as you stated, in very short order.
We now have a crisis on the border.
So we have gone from defending great policies, policies that worked under the Trump administration, to today, We are suing the Biden administration for dumping those policies that work.
Well, and I think that's an important distinction to make here.
But before we get into the Trump era, Discussion on immigration, which I think we also have to remember, I think, also that what the mainstream media doesn't want to talk about is how bad also this was under Obama.
From the fact that the, quote, kids in cages and everything else started under Obama, never started under Trump.
Trump had to fix that.
And Biden's now just, I mean, there's only one thing quicker that I have seen the Biden administration try to destroy, and that's energy independence in America as opposed to in immigration.
But let's set the table here, Dale.
And I know you've been working on this for a long, long time.
For the average person out there, I mean, they hear about illegal immigration and they see the fight, but let's talk about the real cost here.
This is a national security issue.
It is a humanitarian issue.
Explain to the average person who just, you know, they don't follow it every day.
Why is this so important and especially even to the migrants who are coming up and the dangers associated with this?
Sure.
I've practiced law before I was with the Immigration Reform Law Institute.
I was with Judicial Watch, and as you know, Judicial Watch has a broader focus.
They focus on waste, fraud, abuse, corruption.
I've practiced in many different areas of law, and immigration is the most complex, let me tell you.
And it is the area of law that really affects your everyday life, and a lot of people don't understand that.
We have national security issues.
We've seen last year they had at least 14 individuals try to cross the border who were on the national FBI's national terror watch list.
14 individuals.
We had 52 al-Qaeda suspects trying to come up through Panama who were apprehended.
We've had more than 18,000 Individuals with criminal records last year try to come across the border.
We had something like 52 convicted murderers who were caught.
So as far as national security, this is an existential threat.
We had last year 500,000 gotaways.
500,000 individuals who came across the border who were caught either by a sensor or a camera, but an agent couldn't get there in time to apprehend them.
500,000 people entered this country.
We don't know where they're at.
We don't know who they are.
This is an existential threat to our national security.
Crime.
We've seen crime rise throughout the nation because of illegal immigration.
I could cite case after case.
There was an instance here recently in Florida where a 24-year-old illegal alien He came into the country saying he was 17, posing as an unaccompanied alien minor, went to Florida and allegedly stabbed to death and killed a father of four.
So we're seeing crime rise all around the country, health risks.
Now, when mandates are being handed down for Americans and we still can't fly without masks on airplanes, The Biden administration has released COVID-positive individuals into the United States.
I've heard the number as high as 40,000.
And they are not required to get vaccinated, and they're just released throughout the country.
So health-wise, we've seen a rise in measles.
We got rid of the measles in 2000. In 2000, we eradicated the measles, but it's making a resurgence.
It's coming back.
So there's a health risk.
When you have people coming across the border who aren't screened, and anyone who's been through our legal system of immigration knows you have to go to a doctor, you have to have tests, you have to have a TV test to prove you don't have TV. Illegal aliens just come across and they're intermingling and their kids are being sent into our schools immediately.
It's a health risk.
It's a national security risk.
Crime is rising.
And I could go on and on.
Drugs.
Drugs pouring across the border.
With the poorest border, we've seen rises in deaths, specifically 100,000 deaths last year because of drug overdoses.
And now fentanyl, which principally comes across the southern border, fentanyl is the number one cause of death.
For people ages of 18 to 45, number one cause of death.
So everyone should be interested in this.
Taxpayers, if you're just, you know, you feel that you don't live near the border.
Oh, this doesn't affect me.
Well, first of all, Biden is flying those people into your backyard in midnight flight.
So you should be interested.
But taxpayers are getting soaked, having to pay higher taxes For government services to educate illegal alien children because of a terrible Supreme Court decision many years ago that said that K-12 education has to be free for illegal aliens.
This affects everyday Americans, all taxpayers.
It does.
And I think, you know, going back to that one case is amazing.
I remember, you know, years ago in discussion, some of these issues that that, you know, that case in particular concerning education was one of the most, you know, the controversial issues.
And it's been around for, you know, decades now.
And it's sort of gotten lost in the premise of all the other problems that we have now of lack of enforcement and movement.
You know, let's put this in perspective.
Because, I mean, I think, I don't want it to seem like it's become commonplace, but I think so many people have heard crisis at the border, crisis at the border, that they, and I want to give it a context.
There is no other industrialized country, western country, eastern, even industrialized mainline country that has a border issue like we do, is there?
No, there isn't.
There isn't.
But I suppose in a way that says something about our system, about our standard of life here.
People are literally dying to come to this country to experience the American dream.
But no other industrialized country would put up with this.
Well, I was just going to say, you know, there was such an uprising over building the walls.
But when you have tens of thousands of people coming across and you can't control your border, you have no other alternative.
We're a compassionate country, and it's sad that the excuse the Biden administration is using right now to dump the Trump policies that work so well is that we are a compassionate country.
Well, it's not compassionate what they're doing.
Luring people to make the dangerous trek into the United States.
One-third of women are sexually assaulted on the way here.
Two-thirds of kids experience violence on the way here.
So people literally are dying to get here.
And I can tell you story after story.
And I've been down to the border many times.
And I've talked to the ranchers.
I've seen the photographs.
I've seen the photographs of the rape trees where ladies' underwear is hung on the trees like trophies by these sickos who are coming across the border.
And in fact, I've seen sadly a photo of a young lady who was left to die.
She was tied, of course, she was tied to the rape tree and left to die.
This is what we're experiencing down at the border.
It's not compassionate, the Biden administration policies.
Well, and I think that how is it that we've went from, and in this country, over the number of years, what makes it, because it's always one, you know your opposition, and I think you know the opposition very well, and you've talked about the ACLU, other liberal groups concerning immigration.
Why is it?
And it just...
Is the understanding of what is it about this ideology that is causing such pain that we have seen, but yet they continue to want to do it?
Is there an overriding benefit here?
Is there an ideological benefit?
You hear conservatives say, well, they want them here to vote and all this kind of stuff.
I think it's deeper than that.
What have you seen?
Well, you know, for years, I thought that's what it's about.
It's about power, obviously, because if you look back in history, in 1996, you can Google this on, or you can look on YouTube and see President Clinton's 1996 State of the Union address.
He addresses illegal immigration, and then it's a blight on the country, and we've got to do something about this.
And in fact, in 1996, there was a law passed that tightened handing out welfare to illegal aliens.
You go back to 2006, Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, all voted for the 2006 Secure Fence Act.
So what's changed?
All of a sudden, what has made immigration?
Well, for one, I believe the Democrats, and we're a nonpartisan group, however, sadly, Democrats wholesale have pretty much given up on any kind of immigration control, and they vote as a bloc on this issue.
I believe that their base was shrinking.
They were looking for future potential voters.
They were looking to flip states.
They cooked up this scheme where we will just import future voters.
They believe that all immigrants will vote Democrat.
They're shipping in these people to flip states.
In Virginia, we saw what happened there.
It used to be a red state.
They flipped it blue.
Northern Virginia has turned the rest of the state blue.
Of course, we have a Republican governor now, but Democrats overstepped their bounds with the CRT and what went on in Loudoun County up here.
The parents rose up.
Terry McCullough, the Democrat candidate, told parents, you don't have any business in what we teach your kids.
He went too far there and there was a backlash.
Their scheme is to import voters, maintain power.
Think about this.
More people here in the United States does not advantage the environmental groups.
It's not an advantage to unions, which are traditionally Democrat.
But what they've told them is, look, we're playing the long game here.
Short term, it's going to hurt workers.
Wages are going to go down.
Yes, we understand that.
Environmentally, it's going to hurt the environment.
More people here, more carbon emissions, because when individuals come from third world countries to the United States, their carbon footprint increases.
Traditional groups, religious groups, some of the mainline denominational, they're in step with the Democrats on this issue because their pews have been emptying out, so they're like, we need more folks there.
But Democrats are playing a long game.
They want to maintain power.
This is about power, about flipping states.
However, it even goes beyond that.
As you noted, I've come to realize more recently that there is a contingent of people in our government, in elected office, like the squad.
They hate America.
They hate the flag.
They hate patriotism.
They hate what we stand for.
They hate our history.
They hate our system, our financial system, capitalism.
They are looking to overwhelm and crash our system so that they can institute their ideology, which we all know socialism, communism.
That is their ultimate goal.
Crash the system.
Overwhelm it.
Because we can't maintain, and even Mayorkas was caught on a recording stating that We cannot keep going down this road that we're going down.
We are overwhelmed at the border.
This is unsustainable as a country.
And speaking of Mayorkas, I mean, I called for him basically to resign last year.
I mean, because he's not doing the job of Homeland Security.
We're not seeing the process.
We're seeing our Border Patrol agents, our ICE agents all demoralized.
Because, again, they're put in the untenable position of being told to, quote, enforce the law, but not enforce the law.
Let's get into some specifics here, especially as we look at this.
And I think 500,000 getaways is an interesting, you know, way to look at this.
And we're one of the, you know, like I said, you go to any other country in the world and try to just crash their, you know, come through their borders, you're going to be stopped, you're going to be imprisoned, and you're not going to be allowed to go forward.
America, again, it's not that.
But before we get into some specific cases, let's also, let's flip the side here as well.
America has the...
One of the most generous, this is probably the best way to put it, legal immigration programs in the world.
We bring more people in legally than anyone else in the world, and it's still not enough, supposedly, for those who believe that we should not have any border enforcement and control.
Talk about the fact that, and I think one of the things that's backfiring here is a lot of our immigrant communities who've done it legally are getting very frustrated with this as well, and I think you're seeing some of that starting to overflow.
Yeah, absolutely.
Legal immigrants are some of our best supporters.
They've had to go through the system the right way.
They've paid thousands of dollars in fees for attorneys to come through legally.
And they're seeing people just crash the border.
And they're seeing the lawlessness from the countries that they came from being imported here.
And they don't want America to turn out to be like the places that they've left.
They appreciate the American dream, the opportunity for the American dream.
And it's upsetting to a lot of them.
And they don't want crime in their backyard.
It's interesting how politicians, their talking points for sanctuary cities, they'll say, oh, well, it's compassionate.
We can't deport criminals.
Legal immigrants, that's where these criminals usually live, in the immigrant community.
And they're saying, no.
Legal immigrants are saying, no, we don't want them here.
Get rid of them.
And it's just asinine to...
To defend and fight to keep criminal aliens here.
Exactly.
We're getting ready now.
The spring season is upon us, and it is cyclical at the border.
Spring, summer, you see a lot more moving forward.
It's just...
Just a normal cycle time.
And the Biden administration is lifting the Title 42 restrictions.
And this is about health.
We talked about this just a minute ago.
Explain to the listener what that actually means, why it was put into place, and why you're getting...
And frankly, I've heard both Democrats and...
You've got a lot of Democrat backlash now.
From some senators, especially the border states, and criticizing this decision.
Talk about that decision for a minute and how it came about, the process to start with with Title 42, and then how Biden is unraveling that.
Sure.
Title 42, we have a law that states that the CDC can issue an order to, in health emergencies, shut down the borders.
They can exclude anyone.
And let me say from the beginning here, no one has a right to immigrate into the United States.
That's a privilege that we grant to people.
Okay, no one has a right.
So there is no human right to migrate to the United States.
So we can shut down our...
Dale, I want to stop you right there because I think you brought up a great point.
I don't want to miss it, okay, in case I didn't come back.
This is what you hear from a lot of liberals in Congress, though.
They classify folks coming in illegally from countries and name the country, and they're changing it from an immigration issue to an asylum issue.
In which they have the right to asylum.
Explain that difference to our listeners.
Our law is very specific regarding asylum and refugee status.
There are only five grounds that you can claim for asylum.
You have to be persecuted by your government to claim asylum.
You cannot claim asylum because there's too much crime in my country.
I want a better job.
There's too much gang violence.
Those are not legitimate grounds to claim asylum.
You have to claim that your government is persecuting you based on one of five grounds.
Your religion, your ethnicity, your political point of view.
Most of the people coming into the country do not qualify for asylum.
Once you get here, you have a right to request asylum.
But you don't have some kind of human right to asylum in the United States.
You can request asylum under our law.
If you qualify, you will be granted.
But you know what?
89% of people who have come here claiming asylum don't qualify, and the immigration courts do not eventually end up granting them asylum.
So only 11% of the people who apply are eventually granted.
But regarding Title 42, we have a law that states, in Title 42 of the U.S. Code, that states that our public health officials can close down the border if there's a health emergency.
Well, in 2020, President Trump closed down all our borders, northern and southern border, because of COVID, the pandemic, COVID-19.
That order has stayed in place.
Gutted the order somewhat when he came into office and he said it didn't apply to unaccompanied alien children.
And by children, what they call children are 17-year-olds, 16-year-olds, 15-year-olds that we've seen, gang-age youth coming across the border make up most of the UACs.
So Biden has decided that on May 23, He's ending the Title 42 order, or his CDC is ending the Title 42 order.
We have been turning around more than 50% of the illegal aliens who have come to our border in the last year under Title 42. Last year, we saw a record 2.2 million illegal aliens apprehended at the border.
That's not counting the 500,000 gotaways.
That's in addition to the 500,000 gotaways.
So we had 2.2 million.
Well, more than 50% of those individuals, the 2.2 million, were turned back under this Title 42 order that the CDC issued under Trump.
Biden is looking at ending that.
So what are we looking at now?
Today, we're seeing about 8,000 Illegal aliens per day come across the border.
Immigration officials are telling us it's likely to go as high as 18,000 a day if Biden ends this order.
And in fact, they're talking about last month, our sources inside DHS are telling us that we topped 200,000 people apprehended at the border.
In fact, the number I saw was 209,000.
That would be a record in the history of the United States.
209,000 last month.
They are saying that if he ends Title 42, we are going to see numbers like 500,000 a month.
Wow.
I mean, when you look, I mean, you just said that and it's just stunning.
I mean, to think about, I was there, one of the times that I traveled to the border, I traveled there, and I was there one of the nights early, it's been several years ago, and I remember this one in particular because we were talking about groups coming across.
And at that point in time, the most we had seen in one grouping was a little under 1,000.
And I remember being in El Paso and that night 1,600 came across.
We're talking numbers that pale in comparison to that.
That they're just coming across.
And let's take for a second.
This is not...
Just Mexican, Guatemala, El Salvador, Ecuador.
This is not just the triangle, is it?
I mean, this is what it's being portrayed as.
If you were to hear Democrats or even media talk about it, they just talk about this is just migration from Central America.
Yeah, it's not.
Del Rio, in one month last, here recently, saw people from 102 countries coming across the border.
102 countries.
And...
They saw people from Syria, Lebanon, Uzbekistan.
These are all terrorist-linked countries.
So, no, it's not just people from South America or Central America looking for a better life.
We have people entering the country who are looking to do us harm, as I mentioned earlier.
This past year caught 52 al-Qaeda suspects on their way up to the United States.
They caught them in Panama, thankfully.
But they were making their way up into the United States, 52. Sadly, we're headed for national disaster.
And I hate to think that's what it's going to take to wake people up or to wake the elected officials up.
We don't know who's here now.
And that should keep the FBI up all night instead of worrying about other things that they've got going on, like parents and other stuff.
But let's bring this back to another issue as well.
I'm trying to also bust myths a little bit here that we've been, and I've talked about, but for you to share as well.
They talk about, and let's go back to the Obama separating of minors.
You know, the issue that was the first, quote, kids in cages, if you would, was under President Obama.
You can't deny it.
They can spin it, lie it all they want to.
That's where it came from.
And it was coming out of law.
I mean, it was coming out of how they were interpreting it, and President Trump inherited that issue.
Explain to our listener...
That this separation of young people, especially, from the quote, parent or guardian that they came, if that actually happened, was that just a willy-nilly choice, and I'm sort of setting this up, or was that just saying, oh, we're just being mean, we're going to take a child away from a mom and dad?
There are guidelines set up for why those children are taken from those parents, or the supposed parent they came across with, correct?
Yes, that's right.
Under the law, illegal aliens must be detained.
The Biden administration hasn't been doing that, and as you had mentioned earlier, we're suing them over these issues.
They're supposed to be keeping people.
If someone comes across and claims asylum, well, what the Biden administration is doing is flying them wherever they want to go on the taxpayer dollar.
Under the law, they're supposed to be detained until their case can be heard.
President Trump inherited Obama's so-called cages.
I've seen these cages.
I've been down in these Border Patrol stations.
I saw kids laying down on sleeping bags with a large screen TV, huge TV watching The Lion King.
These kids were not being tortured.
They were not in any kind of distress.
They were separated from the adults because, as I mentioned earlier, one third of children coming and being brought across the border are sexually assaulted by the adults that are with them or the cartels.
So you don't put adults in with kids, first of all.
So that's one reason why we separate the adults from the children.
But under the Trump administration, they were looking for ways, how can we deter people from coming across the border?
So they stated, all right, we're going to start.
We have a law that says it's illegal.
It's a misdemeanor the first time you come across illegally.
It's a felony the second time you cross the border illegally.
So under the Trump administration, we said we're going to start prosecuting people for coming across the border.
Well, we don't prosecute kids.
So when they talk about family separation, yes, some Some families, some kids were taken from their parents only because the parents were hauled off to jail.
We don't put kids in jail.
If an American, say for instance American has stopped drunk driving and they have their kids in the backseat, we don't haul the kids off to jail with the parents.
We either call for a family member to come get them or we call family services to come pick up the kids.
That's what happened here.
This so-called family separation, the Trump administration said, we're going to start enforcing the law.
Parents were taken to jail.
The kids were put into childcare to be taken care of or sent to a family member to take care of them.
I'm sure you remember in the news here recently where There was a lawsuit, of course, filed by one of the opposition groups to sue the Trump administration for these family separations.
And the ACLU was looking to settle the case with the Biden administration.
The Biden administration was considering paying out $450,000 to the illegal alien parents for being separated from their kids.
Can you imagine that?
And per person.
If it was a family of four, you'd just instantly made them millionaires on the taxpayer dollar.
That's what they were looking to settle the cases for.
The administration was enforcing the law, a law that Americans have to abide by, how we treat Americans.
They were looking to pay out these outrageous sums of money.
Thankfully, the public outrage stopped that.
We see this going on all over the country.
Americans are really getting the shaft There are many jurisdictions now in Philadelphia, I can cite as one, where you have a Soros-funded prosecutor who has created an immigration section in the prosecutor's office where we have laws that if an illegal alien or even a legal immigrant commits certain crimes, they can be removed from the country.
Well, these prosecutors in these immigration sections are taking the crimes So we're even seeing the opposition do these shady backdoor deals just to keep When you look at this and you look at the analogy,
you being an attorney, I being an attorney, if you take the logic of the ACLU and those that were trying to get these settlements for these family separation cases, The very logic, if you were being honest, intellectually honest, why couldn't an attorney also then start claiming the same be true for, as you said earlier, DUI cases, robbery cases, the case of a single parent who stopped.
Their logic just defies gravity, if you would, when dealing with the real situation in our criminal justice system.
Also, one of the reasons some of these kids, and this is something I want to touch base on, is they were taken from the person bringing them across was because either the person bringing them across was not their relative, they were purchased, and we've seen children as young as six months old who were being purchased, brought across, sent back across the border, purchased again to get the adult into the country.
Also, if they're being abused or if they're with a criminal aspect, how do the liberals, the liberal version of this, square with their view of humanity when you're taking this child out of a bad situation, putting them into a protective situation, and they're claiming that is harmful to the child?
Well, as we've seen these days in many instances, the truth really doesn't matter.
It's how you spin it.
It's the label you put on it.
As we noted earlier, they have their game plan, their end game here.
Sadly, if anyone gets in the way of that, they really, frankly, don't care.
In their view, the ends justify the means.
It is sickening.
I've heard those same reports from agents where kids are recycled.
Because if you come in with a kid, you have a better chance of being able to stay as a family unit.
So it's really sad.
And in the end, it's not humane.
It's not compassionate, as the Biden administration would like to paint that picture.
Well, it's interesting.
I was at one of the intake points at one of our Border Patrol.
Again, most people don't realize that our Border Patrol offices are not designed to handle You know, 50 to 60, much less thousands upon thousands of people.
So they set up tents, they set up other things.
I was in one of those tents and it was when the family grouping together, you know, they got that point where even during the Trump administration, they would try to keep the family unit together before they would send them to the NGOs, which then sent them across the country.
And what was interesting was that we'd speak to the families and I'd come up to the individual.
We'd ask them where they're from, where they're going.
And they would, I'm going to Kansas City.
I'm going to, you know, somewhere.
And they'd all seemingly have a little index card that had the information of where they were going.
And then, I mean, it got to be after a while, these little cars look similar.
This is a problem that people are just not wanting to deal with in the sense that this has become a racket.
It's become a game.
Oh, absolutely.
Nobody comes across the southern border without paying the cartels.
So it's certainly a racket.
The cartels are making billions off of the current border situation.
And, you know, when you have these surges, as you mentioned, Border Patrol is not set up to be able to handle these numbers.
And when you have a surge, say, for instance, Del Rio, when we had the Haitians come across and they were under the bridge there, thousands.
Well, we had to divert resources from the line, from the border.
Border Patrol agents from further down the line to come and try to process all these individuals, which left the border open in many sectors.
And that's the cartel's game.
They searched the border with numbers so that all our resources have to focus there so that they can bring the drugs and the human trafficking and everything across the other parts of the border.
But yeah, it's a sad state of affairs where the cartels are making billions and Americans are suffering.
And sadly, the intending immigrants are suffering.
And as you said, they've been coached.
The opposition groups are very well funded and organized.
They go down into these groups, these caravans, and they coach them.
They coach them on what to say.
They coach them on how to claim asylum.
Under our law, you have to claim credible fear, what's called credible fear of being persecuted by your government.
So they will coach them.
Here are the words that you need to use.
So they have cards.
They have memorized.
They tell them to ditch their IDs so that we can't prove where they come from.
In fact, it's interesting.
I saw many Brazilian passports, visas, and identification cards A researcher found many of these ditched on the Mexican side of the border when the Haitians were coming across because many people of Haitian descent were going to Brazil initially.
And under asylum law, international refugee law, you're supposed to stay in the first country that you go into that's safe.
So see, they were ditching their IDs so that we wouldn't know that they were in Brazil.
That they were in another country.
So Haitians were flooding our border, and we found all kinds of their identification.
So it is a racket.
They're being coached on what to do, how to get in.
It is also interesting, too, the different standards that were being applied even just a few years ago with who were coming from where.
I remember being at one of the Border Patrol offices in which they had a more, quote, long-term camp.
And then they had basically the revolving 72 hour door of Mexican and Central American illegals who came through.
And these were from Cuba and other places where they could not get before a judge and they were just being held.
And some of them have been there for months with very viable skills, with very viable, you know, marketable skills that they could use.
But they could not get in front of an immigration.
How badly, for the people out there listening, how badly is our immigration court system, frankly, just broken right now?
It is.
We've been inundated with cases.
I think the backlog now is something like 2 million immigration cases.
So for an intending immigrant or an illegal alien to get a hearing, ultimately, on their case, it takes something like five years.
The court is so backlogged, it takes five years.
So this is why Trump put the Remain in Mexico policy in place.
And for those who don't know what that is, we stated, we had a policy that if you come across the border and you claim asylum, You need to go back to Mexico and wait for your hearing.
Because what was happening is people were being coached.
They were coming in.
Oh, I'm being persecuted.
I want in.
They were being let in and released into the country, and they don't show up for their hearing.
We never hear from them again.
So they're released into the country.
They go off and never heard from again.
So Trump said, we're going to stop this catch and release that's going on.
In our law, we're allowed to do this.
We're allowed to require them to go to the last country they came in from and wait for their hearing.
So we were sending people back to Mexico to wait for their hearing.
And that was very effective.
But we saw the numbers plummet of people trying to come across claiming asylum under Trump.
And that was upheld as well.
It was upheld.
We litigated that.
The opposition sued in many different courts, ultimately went up to the Supreme Court, and we were victorious on that issue.
So it's absolutely legal to do that.
But that was helping to stem the flow of Illegal aliens coming across the border.
How is the Biden administration getting around that?
Because, I mean, it was proven to be true.
They were using it to a stand, but they're still slow walking that, aren't they?
They are.
That was one of the lawsuits that Texas and other states sued the Biden administration.
And my organization assisted.
We're actually outside counsel for Texas in several of these lawsuits.
Texas brought a lawsuit saying that this policy was very effective at stemming the flow at the border.
There's currently a border crisis.
You can't end this Trump-era policy, Biden.
Thankfully, the courts agreed.
In fact, Biden appealed all the way up to the Supreme Court on the grant of the preliminary injunction, and the Supreme Court said, no, no, they're likely to win.
The injunction stays in place.
Currently, Biden is required to send people back to Mexico, but as you stated, he's slow walking it.
Under Trump, we were sending something like 400 people a day back to Mexico.
I think he's only sent 400 total, maybe, since he was ordered by the court to reinstate Trump's Remain in Mexico policy.
Wow.
Well, I mean, I think there's no doubt about this.
And I mean, I could make jokes about the Vice President, you know, continually not knowing where the border is, the President never visiting the border.
I mean, they just don't...
Again, it's just become...
What is disturbing to me is that the mainstream media have just lost interest in this story.
And that is just something that's just mind-boggling to understand.
I just can't imagine that if Donald Trump had done sort of anything in reverse that it would have been left out there like it has been.
What are the major cases, as we sort of wrap this up, what are the major cases that y'all are working on right now that hopefully you'll get heard and hopefully can draw maybe some sanity back to this immigration policy?
Yeah, we have several cases that are working their way through the courts.
One in particular is Biden's ICE enforcement priorities.
When he came into office, he pretty much gutted ICE's ability, and ICE is our immigration authorities on the interior of the United States.
Once people get past the border patrol on the border, ICE is who would arrest illegal aliens and criminal aliens in the country.
Basically, Biden says you can't enforce the law against pretty much anyone.
We took him to court, and thankfully, we got a preliminary injunction against that enforcement memo.
We got the preliminary injunction.
That case is still working its way through the courts on the merits.
Recently, there was a hearing this year on that, and we're waiting on a decision there.
Texas sued to force the administration to continue building the border wall.
Congress has appropriated all this money to build the border, and we have the materials sitting on the ground rusting out there in Texas and other places, and Biden is paying contractors not to build the wall.
So there's that lawsuit out there.
He started up the Central American Minors Program, so-called CAM program again, where he's processing miners down in Central America.
Hey, you want to come to the States?
We'll just process you right here and fly you up into the United States.
That lawsuit's working its way through the courts.
We won a victory here recently on the COVID, Title 42. He wasn't enforcing it against the UACs.
Last month, we received a preliminary injunction against Biden not enforcing that against the UACs.
We have several lawsuits that I really can't talk about at the moment that we're working with our state partners on that we're about ready to file regarding some of the other abuses that The Biden administration is engaged in.
All right.
Before we go, though, how do people get in?
If they want to find out more about the Immigration Reform Law Institute, how do they do that and how can they help?
Well, you can find us on the web at www.irli.org.
And then you can find us on Twitter at Early Law.
That's IRLILaw.
We're on Facebook also, most of the social media sites.
You know, we are a not-for-profit funded by the public.
So we're supported by the generous donations of everyday Americans.
So that's one way people can get involved if they would like to support us.
And I would just encourage people not to sit back and just watch the destruction, but get involved.
Let your voice be heard, not only at the ballot box, but, you know, join those Those school boards, as we saw how important it is.
You need to be involved in your community.
You know, run for elected office.
We need good people that believe in America and what we stand for.
I agree.
Dale, thanks for being with us today.
I wish there was a better picture to paint on the border.
There's not everybody.
This border is a crisis.
Don't let the mainstream media's lack of attention to it give you any indication that it is not.
And frankly, it's getting worse.
And right now, we have just a little under three years left of the Biden administration to deal with it.
And they're going to fight this tooth and nail.
Hopefully, we can get some control back in Congress.
But again, that's still going to be a longer issue as we go.
But Dale, thanks for letting everybody know about what's going on.
And we appreciate you being part of the podcast.
Well, thank you for having me.
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