First up we had President Donald Trump on the show and talked about a wide range of topics including Hunter Biden, Ukraine and Russia, and the inflation crisis. Next, we had Matt Walsh talking about the shocking revelations of companies like Disney and your kids teachers trying to groom children as young as four. Finally Miranda Devine was on to talk about the admission by mainstream media that the Hunter Biden laptop was not Russian disinformation but in fact real. and about her book "Laptop From Hell"
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First up, today's a big interview we did.
We had President Donald J. Trump on the show and talked about a wide range of topics, including Hunter Biden, Ukraine, Russia, and the inflation crisis.
You don't want to miss this one.
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All right, let's not waste any time welcoming back to the show, good friend, a great man and a really terrific president, President Donald J. Trump.
Welcome back to the show, sir.
Hi, Dan.
Last time we set records, so let's do it again, OK?
Let's do it again, sir.
Let's do it again.
So let me get right to it.
So it's now obvious that the 2020 election, big tech, the media and the liberal activists out there colluded to wipe the Hunter Biden story off the map before the election.
They hid it.
If it was a story about you and your kids, which it wouldn't be because your kids don't act unethically like that.
But of course, it'd be everywhere.
Now we know 17% of voters, they said in a poll, swing state voters, Mr. President, would have voted differently if they would have known about this Hunter Biden story.
This has to infuriate you.
Your thoughts on that?
Well, it infuriates everybody and maybe me almost less because I've known about it for a long time and you've known about it.
Nobody studies it better than you or understands it better than you.
We have a very corrupt media.
It's totally corrupt and a lot of people don't know that.
They have learned.
If you look at around 2015, everyone thought, you know, the media was in the mid-90s, the approval rating.
Now I think it's lower than Congress.
So we've taught a lot of people about the media.
The media in our country is totally corrupt.
Just like the borders are open and the elections are corrupt, totally corrupt.
And so I saw this and I said, isn't that a shame?
And then the pollsters came out with numbers that they said 17 percent.
I think you just said that 17 percent.
Difference and we won anyway, but that would have been a total crazy number And it was I believe that it's true if anything it's slow They would not cover the story except for the New York Post in all fairness the New York Post Had a lot of courage, and I think they went through a lot, but I think they actually gained great Credibility by doing that they really covered it strongly, but nobody even picked it up from them, and it's it's frankly It's disgraceful And I actually think it's probably a campaign contribution of, you know, massive magnitude.
I think it's totally illegal what they did.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, look at it.
You had the Zuckerbox and Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook with all this money in the swing states.
I mean, really, what they did was incredible.
Mr. President, we have a confirmation hearing going on right now for Kintaji Brown-Jackson.
Do you notice the difference between your time in office with Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett?
How you were, again, you and your nominees were attacked in horrific and disgusting ways, personal attacks of the most vile order.
I don't even want to repeat them out of respect for you on the phone, especially against Justice Kavanaugh.
And yet you see Republicans now asking, you know, dignified questions, but being, you know, but not not get engaging in the personal nonsense.
Doesn't this just perfectly sum up the disparity between these lunatics on the left and our party and the values and principles we represent?
Well, nobody's ever been treated, and I don't mean just the Supreme Court justice, nobody in the history of Congress, in my opinion, has ever been treated like Justice Kavanaugh.
Nobody.
There's been nobody ever even close.
What they did to that man, they tortured him.
And personally, I don't think he'll ever be the same.
I don't really think he'll ever be the same.
And I could understand that.
I've never seen anything like it.
And I actually think he's very much afraid of them now and he's afraid of being impeached.
You know, don't forget, After he finally got in, after going through an ordeal, like, like nobody.
After that, they, you know, constantly throw out that they're going to impeach him for no reason, you know, for women that never existed.
And these women, you know, the three of them admitted it was false.
And Bill Barr should have done something about it.
He was weak and ineffective.
He should have done something about it.
But the three of them and then the fourth one was You know, just terrible.
You watched her performance and it was a disgrace that something wasn't done.
But nobody's ever treated anybody like that.
And I think it's had a huge impact on him.
And I think it's a shame.
He has a wonderful wife and wonderful daughters and wonderful family.
And what he went through is just terrible.
And I see what's happening now.
And it's, you know, I heard how tough the Republicans were going to be there.
They're marshmallows.
They don't do it the same way.
And they're not.
You know, they have good policy, but when you have Mitch McConnell as a leader, it's not the same.
No, it's certainly not.
Mr. President, we're talking to President Donald J. Trump.
I was reading the Wall Street Journal the other day, and it's interesting.
Even some of the people who took a lot of unnecessary pot shots at you and your foreign policy are now belatedly coming around that you and foreign policy, specifically Russia, Ukraine, and China, probably had the right approach.
If you'll allow me, I just want to read this one sentence from Pottinger of the Wall Street Journal.
It's a quote he gave the Wall Street Journal.
He's a defense expert.
He said, There was a genuine unpredictability about President Trump and what he might or might not do.
And that may have, more than people really appreciate, caused Xi and Putin to delay some of their plans.
I've said this over and over.
You never felt this need to publicly advertise to these people what you were or weren't going to do.
Biden's telling everyone what he's not going to do all the time, Mr. President, so it doesn't disincentivize them to do it.
Your thoughts on your approach versus his.
Well, it's very sad when Biden is constantly saying about Russia, they're a nuclear power because we're a nuclear power, too.
And he ought to say that.
And I rebuilt our nuclear weapons at a level that nobody thought was possible.
Two and a half trillion dollars spent on the military.
A lot of that going into the nuclear.
And by the way, and I hated doing it because I understand the destructive vote.
I mean, it's they are so violent.
It's so horrible.
But we have the greatest nuclear force because of what I did.
We had weapons that were 45 and 50 years old.
Nobody even knew if they worked.
And we don't mention that.
You know, Biden keeps like making an excuse.
Well, he's a nuclear power.
Well, he's a nuclear power, but we're a bigger nuclear power and we should be much stronger than we are.
You know, I hate to see all the slaughter going.
And that doesn't mean troops on the ground either, Dan.
But when you or I watch the slaughter, you're going to end up You know, when they say a building, when you look at those buildings that are pouring down and just blown to hell, many people are killed in those buildings.
And there are a lot of people in those buildings.
And then they'll say two people had minor, suffered minor injuries.
And you look at this massive building that holds thousands of people and they say, too, it's nonsense.
Millions of people are potentially going to be killed in this horrible situation that's going on.
And so I hate to see it.
And, you know, it's interesting.
I was right about that, but we're right about We were right about inflation.
We were right about the border.
We were right about a lot of things.
We were right about energy.
We were right about a lot of things.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, it hashtags on Twitter a forum that banned you for telling the truth.
Trump was right.
It trends quite often, Mr. President.
Well, they actually banned me for telling the truth.
That's right.
They banned me for telling the truth about the election.
They don't like that stuff.
They don't like that stuff.
So there's a story, it's not a story, it's real, it happened, but during your presidency there were some Russian mercenaries on the Syrian battlefield.
And you and the Defense Secretary, you being the Commander-in-Chief, you wiped out those Russian mercs and the Russians didn't believe you.
Apparently through deconfliction you called them, you told them, hey get these Russian mercenaries off the battlefield.
The Russians thought you were kidding.
You weren't.
You wiped them out.
They are now no longer.
They don't exist.
Again, I know you're not a global interventionist.
I'm not either.
You're an America first guy and so am I. But I think it speaks to the lack of respect they have for Biden and the respect they had for you.
Because after you did that, did you notice Putin never said a darn word about it, Mr. President?
That story to this day, not a lot of people know about it.
Well, I hated having to do it, but, you know, they kept taunting us, and the Russians were taunting us, and we gave them a warning.
We said, look, don't do it again.
Don't do it again.
Don't do it again.
Three times.
They said, if you do it again, we're going to have to take action, and we took action.
I was surprised they did it, and we did.
It was a lot of people.
I hated, I hated to do it, but we had to.
And frankly, if we didn't do it, I think they would have wiped out our people, if you want to know the truth, because, you know, There was a tremendous thing going on.
And I don't think necessarily that was the reason, but Putin 100% would not have attacked Ukraine if I were president.
Meaning, if the election wasn't rigged, which it was, it was totally rigged.
It was a rigged election with the mail-in ballots and every other thing they did.
And if the election were where it should have been, there would be no problem with inflation, with gas prices, with the economy.
And even more importantly, because you see how bad this thing is spinning out of control, there would have been no problem with Ukraine and Russia.
He would not have gone in.
What are your thoughts on China?
I mean, you, uh, you've one of very few people in the history of humankind to have accumulated power in the form of the presidency.
I mean, we don't know what that experience is like.
You do.
Uh, what was it like sitting down with Xi Jinping?
And you know, you, you've seen him like none of us have, uh, do you fear that he may use this as an excuse to invade Taiwan?
You, again, you know him like few people do.
Yep.
A very strong person, smart, all of these things, you know, whenever I say somebody's smart, Oh, Trump said they're smart.
Well, of course they're smart.
He heads China.
You know, they think I'm supposed to say, well, he's not a smart man, but he took over 1.5 billion people and he has total ironclad control.
Right?
He's supposed, I'm supposed to say, he's not a smart man.
He's a very tough guy, very smart.
And, uh, he loves China and he's for China.
I'm for the United States.
And what I did with the tariffs and taxes to them was never happened before.
They paid us, Dan, you know, there's better than anybody.
Hundreds of billions with a B.
Billions of dollars.
And our economy was eclipsing theirs like nobody.
You know, everybody said, oh, in 2019, they will eclipse us.
Well, not only didn't they eclipse us, but we were gaining tremendously.
And before, just prior to COVID, we were doubling up.
We were doing so well.
We were beating them at every corner and they knew it.
And then we had COVID.
We had to straighten out that mess, and we did a great job with all of the things we did, as you know, with warp speed, etc., etc.
And we did a great job.
And then the economy was coming back, and the stock market was actually higher than it was before COVID came, just before COVID came.
And then we had the results of the election, the so-called results of the election.
And he took over, and it's a disaster.
The energy prices alone are just so destructive, far greater than any tax increase.
You know, when energy goes up just a little bit, it's bigger than a tax increase, but the energy is doubling and it's going to be doubling and tripling.
It's getting worse.
And now they're going, can you imagine?
They're talking to Venezuela.
They're talking to Iran.
They're talking to OPEC about energy.
We were energy independent a year and a half ago.
Think of it.
Energy independent.
And we were going to be double the size of Russia and Saudi Arabia combined in a very short period.
And they threw that out the window.
And now he's begging for oil.
He's begging for energy.
Because, you know, the Green New Deal stuff, that doesn't have the power to fire our plants and our manufacturing.
It just doesn't have the power.
And it's many, many times more expensive.
Mr. President, I got a minute left, last question for you, but you know, he ran on build back better, but don't you find it odd that everything's gotten worse?
I mean, literally, he's got, I'm not speaking figuratively, everything's gotten worse since you left and he took over.
Yeah.
It's called build back worse.
And that's what's happening.
And there's no build back.
Now, all of the things that you see, everything happening, Dan would not have happened.
And just one of those things that you're a great guy and you have a great show and I appreciate it.
Thank you, sir.
We so deeply appreciate your time.
We hope to hear from you again in 2024.
I know everybody's asked you that.
We'll pass on that for today.
But thank you, Mr. President.
I don't want to bother you, but you get asked it all the time.
Thanks for your time.
We so deeply appreciate it.
That's good to hear.
You put a smile on my face.
God bless you, sir.
Take care.
All right, folks.
That was President Donald J. Trump.
There you go.
Hunter Biden, Supreme Court, Russia, Ukraine, talking about the economy, Biden's Build Back Worse plan.
That was a wide range.
Jim, we need some of that for the podcast tomorrow, too.
My Humble Opinion, our best interview yet with President Trump is fantastic on that one.
We've got another great interview coming up next with The Daily Wire's Matt Walsh.
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Okay, here's Matt Walsh from the Daily Wire talking about the shocking revelations of companies like Disney, other companies do by the way, and your kids' teachers trying to groom children as young as four.
Sexual indoctrination in kindergarten?
No, no, no, we're not having that.
Please listen to this very important conversation with Matt Walsh.
Yeah, here he is.
All right.
Welcoming back to the show, I think, for the third time.
A really great guy, follows the culture war issues intensely, knows a lot about it.
Matt Walsh from the Matt Walsh Show on The Daily Wire.
Welcome back to the show.
Thanks for joining us.
Hey, Dan.
Thanks for having me.
Absolutely.
It's always a pleasure and honor to have you on.
Matt is also the author of the upcoming book, soon to be released in June, What is a Woman, which is now 14 on, I just saw on one of the book selling sites, number 14.
So pre-sales through the roof.
So you probably want to check that out because Matt had to write a whole book because the left can't figure it out.
About what a woman is.
Matt, in light of everything going on right now with these just explosive Disney tapes that were revealed, the Florida parental rights bill, you know, what is it?
What do you think is behind this?
I have a theory that it's just the left doesn't want competition from God, faith, objective values, family or anything else.
And they don't want their captive audience with kids broken up by, you know, by conservatives or laws.
And that's why they're so upset about this.
You have anything to add to that?
Well, not really, actually, because I think you just said it exactly right.
That's exactly the point.
I mean, you look at their reaction to the Florida bill, and obviously, as hopefully everyone should understand by now, unless they're totally brainwashed by leftist media, the whole don't say gay bill narrative was total fabrication.
And why was it a fabrication?
well, because the actual bill itself is something that they cannot directly argue
against without coming off like total freaks, because all the bill says is don't talk to six year olds
about gender identity and transgenderism and gender fluidity, all this kind of
stuff.
So why are they really freaking out about it? Well, it's because as you just pointed out, you know,
they know that their whole, their whole plan for the future, their dark plan for the future of America and our culture
hinges on their ability to get to the kids at the youngest age as possible
and and indoctrinate them early.
I mean, you and I, as normal sane people, would say, no, little kids are the last ones that you should be talking about these subjects to.
But to the left, they say, no, they're the first ones.
They're the main ones we need to talk to.
Because they're so young that they'll just accept whatever we say.
They don't have the, you know, they don't have the faculties yet to think critically about this or ask any real critical questions about it.
So they're just going to accept whatever you tell them.
And we need to be able to talk to them as young as possible.
And that's why they're reacting with such fury right now to the bill.
We're talking to Matt Walsh, host of the terrific podcast, The Matt Walsh Show.
Highly, highly recommended.
Matt, do you sense a tide turning though?
I mean, listen, I think it's fairly obvious that we subjugated the culture wars to the political wars for a long time, especially on the conservative side.
I mean, everybody knows that.
I just remember being in activist meetings where they'd be like, don't talk about abortion.
Don't talk about immigration.
We got to talk about tax cuts.
I love tax cuts.
They're great.
But I mean, let's be honest, that's a small portion of where we are as a country.
Our success isn't due to tax cuts, right?
It was due to a hard-working, entrepreneurial, patriotic, love of the Constitutional Republic culture that people came here to be part of.
It deteriorated for 30 years because we willingly let it happen, but I sense something changing.
I really do.
I mean, Matt, when you... I don't know if you saw that poll, I'm sure you did, but 52% of Florida Democrat primary voters support DeSantis' parental rights bill, even though the left falsely defamed it as a don't say gay bill?
That says to me we're using shows like yours, like this, radio, you know, Fox, Daily Wire, and the power of social media, and they can't suppress the message anymore like they used to be able to.
Yeah, I think that ever so slightly, you see, A tide changing.
And I want to stop short of giving people false hope or false optimism as if, you know, a year from now, everything's going to be fixed and we'll have reclaimed the culture and all this insanity will be in the background or in the past.
Rather, you know, I don't think that's the case.
I think, I think the ultimate victory of that sort, if it can happen at all, will take generations because it took generations for us to lose the culture, as you point out.
So to get it back is also going to take generations, a long-term project, but The progress right now is simply, it's really just like a baby step.
It's just people on the right and conservatives and even people who don't identify necessarily as ideological one way or another are starting to realize what's happening and that these issues actually matter.
These culture kinds of issues are not Side shows.
This is like the main attraction, because we're deciding what kind of country we want to live in.
What kind of culture do you want to live in?
And the left, like you said, for decades, they were basically running unopposed.
And now, finally, we saw this with the school board meetings.
We see things.
There's a little bit of this awakening moment, and I hope it continues.
What do you think about what I posited there before, that we played a part in that.
I mean, not you and I. You and I have always understood, I mean, ever since I got involved in this movement ten years ago, that culture is the bedrock of everything.
Breitbart was right, Andrew Breitbart.
When he said politics, that's downstream of culture.
They're not going to change a damn thing if the culture's broken.
But what do you think of what I had stated before, that we really did play into this.
Matt, I know you've been part of this for a long time.
You've probably heard it too.
There used to be a class of very powerful Republicans who insisted, you can't talk about immigration.
You can't talk about abortion.
You definitely can't talk about guns.
You'll look like a bunch of dopey hayseeds and we want to talk about tax cuts.
Like I said, I love tax cuts, but I was in those meetings.
I'm sure you were part of some of this too, or at least heard about it.
Like, we really fed this machine, the Republican swamp, and let them steamroll us for 30, 40 years.
Oh, we definitely did.
100%.
I mean, another good example is the thing that we're not supposed to talk about is the whole gender issue.
I mean, for I think now we finally got to a point where it's clear to everybody that you cannot ignore this.
But for years and years, this is something that I ran up against, where I'm noticing this gender fluidity, transgenderism, all this stuff.
It's becoming much more mainstream.
I'm seeing it as the future of our culture.
And for years, I was told that, no, no, no, we don't need to talk about this.
We just come off like bigots anyway.
And it's a sideshow and all that.
So it's just yet another example of being real late to the party.
And the thing is, I think we could look at the establishment of the Republican Party that played a part in this, but they still do.
I mean, it's not like that has changed, actually.
The Republican establishment still looks at it this way.
They're still hanging on to this kind of antiquated way of thinking that all that matters is tax cuts.
Look at the Republican governors, even in a state like Utah.
They don't want to sign a bill that forbids males from competing against females.
And why is that?
Is it because the governor of Utah is some kind of far left radical?
No, not at all.
It's just that he doesn't want to have to deal with these issues at all.
He doesn't think it's important.
He just wants to put this to the side and get back to talking about tax cuts.
So unfortunately, it's still a problem, especially in the Republican Party.
It is a problem.
And you know, we're talking to Matt Walsh, author of the upcoming book, What Is A Woman, flying up the charts in pre-sales right now.
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You know, Matt, I saw you on Dr. Phil, like everyone else did, the clip on nuclear.
And you just asked a really simple question, the title of your upcoming book, What is a Woman?
And watching the rhetorical word salads, the verbal jujitsu coming out of people's mouths to answer a question that Matt, your children and mine could answer with the snap of a finger.
I gotta tell you, it's one of the more bizarre things I've ever seen in my life.
Like, really?
This is the hill you guys are gonna die on?
That you're really confused about what the XX chromosome package is?
I mean, what was it like to be witnessing that in live time?
You must be thinking to yourself, my gosh, this is it.
We're on national broadcast television right here, and I'm showing the entire world how crazy these people are.
Yeah, I mean, if someone had told me 15 years ago that I'd be writing a book titled, What is a Woman?, I would have found that pretty bewildering also.
But it is, I'll tell you what it is, when you look, the gender ideology stuff, like so much of the less views on things in the worldview, it all starts to collapse under the weight of very simple questions.
All you have to do is ask the question and watch it collapse on its own, which is part of what happened in that Dr. Phil clip.
But what they do, their tactic, is they know that they can't answer the questions.
They can't really explain their ideas because there's nothing under the surface.
There's nothing really there.
So what they try to do is they try to complicate matters and use a bunch of words, use a bunch of fancy language, use a lot of, uh, you know, just buzzwords and, and jargon and get you lost in the weeds so that you forget what you're even talking about.
And, uh, they do this with, they do this with abortion.
They do this with every issue.
Um, and, That's why the tactic among sane people, among
conservatives, is you just have to stay on message.
Like, you know this is what a woman is, this is what we're talking about, how do you define these terms,
and stick with that. Don't let them bring you out in the weeds where you get lost out there.
You've got to stay on message. Because all they can do is just up your state, and that's the only tactic they have.
So important.
Matt, folks, please listen to what Matt just said.
Please, we're talking to Matt Walsh, host of the Matt Walsh Podcast, a great show.
What you said is so important.
That is the best advice I can give to anyone thinking of being an activist, running for office, or candidly even engaging people on social media.
They will lose you in the weeds.
Getting away from the simple question of what is a woman for a second, I've had it with abortion a thousand times.
I say to them over and over, they will go on and on and do all this clump of cells nonsense, cycles of life, dependency on the woman.
Yet when you ask them a simple question, Matt, you say, listen, I have a 100% success record That every human being on planet earth has been conceived.
Now, not every conception results in a human being, but every human being, Matt, has been conceived.
I'm 100 million for 100 million out of the last 100 million people born.
They have no response.
No, no, no.
Life doesn't, life doesn't begin at conception.
It's just, It's, they can't get past just the obvious.
And it goes back to what you were saying, like, yeah, what's a woman?
The simple stuff.
Don't let them do the verbal jujitsu.
Such brilliant advice you had right there.
Yeah.
And the other thing that they'll, they'll do as part of this is that they want to bring it immediately to the hardest, most outlier cases that they possibly can, which is why, uh, any conversation about abortion with someone on the left, well, within 10 seconds, they're going to be talking about, rape, incest, life of the mother, these sorts of scenarios.
Just like if you're talking about gender, immediately they're going to talk about intersex and all these things, like 0.1%
of the population.
And that's another obfuscation tactic. It's like, well, let's...
Before we get to any of that kind of stuff, let's talk about the vast majority of cases.
Okay, let's talk about what this situation almost always is.
Can we talk about that first and then get into all the difficult hypotheticals that you're throwing out there?
Because the thing is, once you establish, once you talk about the general issue itself and you establish your principles, Then you can engage with the difficult cases, because you know what your principles are.
And one principle, the pro-life principle, is that it is never okay to intentionally destroy human life.
That's the pro-life position.
And yeah, you apply that to the difficult cases as well, but you don't want to let them drag you into that immediately.
Like, no, we're not talking about that yet.
We're talking about this.
Let's talk about this.
And then, if you can answer these questions, like, for example, what is human life?
When does it begin?
If you can even answer those questions, maybe then we'll talk about some of the harder cases.
But until you can do that, we're not having that conversation, because we can't, because we don't even know what we're talking about.
Brilliant.
Brilliant.
Matt, thanks so much for your time.
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Matt, thanks a lot for your time.
You're welcome back anytime.
We appreciate it.
Thanks a lot, Dan.
Appreciate it.
You got it.
Folks, that is absolutely fantastic, stellar advice.
That's why I love having Matt on.
Do not let them lose you in the rhetorical weeds.
They want to talk about the difficult, really troubling, traumatic cases.
Fine.
Let's agree first that life begins at conception and you are arguing for termination of a life.
Once we accept that fact, then I will happily debate you on the cases you're talking about.
Once we can agree on what a woman is biologically, I'm happy to talk to you about what you think a woman isn't.
But first, we're going to agree on what it is.
What a woman is.
Very well said.
Matt Walsh with some great advice there on how to fight the culture war.
We forfeited for too long.
Here's Miranda Devine again from the radio show.
She was talking about the admission now by mainstream media that what we knew the whole time that the Hunter laptop was genuine and not Russian disinformation is in fact real.
A little late to the party, huh?
You don't want to miss this interview.
I'm going to get back to this Great Reset, Fourth Industrial Revolution, New World Order, whatever buzzy terms the left uses to talk about their reorganization of society throughout the hour.
But I wanted to get to our guest first, a terrific guest who wrote an amazing book, Laptop from Hell.
I'm one of the publishers on that book.
The book has been a mega bestseller, exposing one of the biggest political scandals of our time, the Hunter Biden laptop.
Miranda Devine.
Miranda, welcome back to the show.
Thanks so much, Darren.
Great to be with you again.
Always good to be with you.
So the book has been a mega, mega bestseller because people are interested in this enormous scandal.
And one of the things I wanted to address with you first, now that the New York Times has hilariously confirmed what you and I have known for over a year now, that the laptop was genuine, isn't it strange that the same media type, so you're an actual, you know, journalist, Miranda, that That they ran with the dossier story on the lightest of evidence at best, secondary and tertiary sources, who were claimed.
They weren't even real.
And yet when it came to the laptop signed over by Hunter Biden with Hunter Biden's address and phone number and a first-hand account of Hunter Biden dropping it off, the media seemed to not be able to verify it.
Doesn't that tell the whole story right there?
Oh, absolutely.
Look, you know, the double standards I think we're so used to now, but it doesn't make many better and they want to pull it for their Russia collusion fake story.
And, you know, the thing about the laptop is people are sort of dubious about it because they can't see it, you know, they think that because it came from Rudy Giuliani somehow, it's changed and all of that.
All right, fine.
But it wasn't just the laptop.
My book is not just about the laptop.
It is about all the jigsaw puzzle pieces and that includes a huge part of it is Tony Bobulinski.
Now he had all his devices he handed over to the FBI And that is documents and emails and encrypted messages, WhatsApp messages.
You know, he had everything that was on the laptop, plus some.
And so what he has corroborates what's on the laptop.
He also, with his own testimony, I mean, he made himself available to the media last October after our story came out.
before the election, he stood up and he had a press conference and no one was interested.
They didn't want to write about it.
Tucker Carlson interviewed him on Fox News.
Michael Goodwin, my colleague at the New York Post, interviewed him.
You know, that was about it.
And so there is no excuse for the so-called prestige media to have ignored this story
before the election.
Tony Bobulinski is a highly credible person, a naval veteran, a successful businessman,
a man of total integrity.
And they just ignored him and they traduced him.
And in effect, what they were doing was they were calling me, the New York Post, Emma Jo
Lewis, our editors, Tony Bobulinski, John Paul MacIsaac, the laptop repair guy.
We were all supposedly part of some giant Russian conspiracy.
It's so preposterous They were so naive and so gullible and so willing to accept false information from their sources, their supposed intelligent sources about the Steele dossier, which on its face was ridiculous.
Like that was absolutely the stuff, the p-tape was just ridiculous and did not pass the sniff test.
The laptop, it is absolutely believable from the get-go that a crackhead like Hunter Biden would leave his stuff around and we know that he, this was one of three laptops that we know of, that he lost, that he left behind places that got stolen from him.
He was always losing his devices, his phones, always going to Apple, getting new stuff and money was no object.
But he was a crack addict, so there's no justification for that section of the media that has half the population of America, that's their chosen organ.
So they kept half of America, half the American voters, in the dark before the election, and that was election interference, because the only reason they did it was they wanted to make sure that Donald Trump didn't win.
Yeah, a hundred percent.
I mean, the election interference is uncool.
Now listen, as you and I both know, because unlike, you know, many of these lefty reporters, we're reasonable people.
It's impossible to prove a counterfactual.
I can't prove what would have happened when it didn't happen.
You don't know if time works and run one direction, but There is strong evidence to indicate things would have turned out dramatically different, Miranda.
By the way, we're talking Miranda Devine, author of the book of the year, Laptop from Hell.
If you haven't read it, I promise you don't know the depths of how ugly this Hunter Biden laptop story is.
Laptop from Hell.
Please pick it up.
But Miranda, when you take polling like the MRC and Newsbusters did with the poll company, and you ask people the question, 17% of Biden supporters in swing states Indicate that they likely would have polled their support if they were aware of this information.
So, that's a fact.
That polling data point is a fact.
You know, again, I can't prove it counterfactual, but there's no question they interfered in the election.
Well, exactly.
And, you know, being in journalism, that is a huge privilege.
You have all these First Amendment rights.
You have, you know, the privilege of being able to get access to information, get access to people.
And you're not doing it because you're such a great person.
It's because you have a duty with that access to give in a true and honest information To the American people and to the voters before an election so that they can make up their minds about which of the two candidates for president they think would do the best job.
And that's a really sacred duty of every voter.
And they can't do the due diligence themselves.
They have to rely on the media, on journalists to do that due diligence for them and expect that it be honest and straightforward.
Of course, there's a little bias here and there, but you don't expect Completely false information to be provided.
And you don't expect the playing field to be so skewed that one of the candidates for president gets, you know, complete scrutiny, which I think is good.
You know, the more scrutiny, the better.
Look at Donald Trump's tax returns.
No problem.
But you have to apply the same level of scrutiny to his opponent.
And that didn't happen with Joe Biden.
All there was was, you know, nice stories about the ice cream he likes.
He stays in the basement.
He never gets a tough question.
No one And then the laptop arrives, you know, with the hint at the very least of corruption, of Joe Biden selling out his office.
That is the allegation that comes out of material on the laptop.
Maybe he has an explanation for it, but he never gave it.
He ran away.
You remember after our story came up in the middle of October, three weeks before the election, he just went to ground for that week.
He just went into the basement and didn't come up.
And they were sort of scrambling to try and get their ducks in a row and make sure that they had their friendly media
on board and they had big tech censoring us.
And then they had those, I call them the dirty 51, the John Brennan's and James Clapper's
and Leon Panetta's and Michael Hagen who wrote that ridiculous letter claiming that,
in their expert opinion, even though they hadn't seen it, the laptop and the material we were publishing
and all the earmarks of Russian disinformation.
And now they say, "Oh no, they didn't say that."
Yes, they did read the letter.
They knew exactly the impression that letter was going to give.
It doesn't matter how many wheezer words they squeeze in there.
No, the headline of the letter and of course the headline of every story that came after.
And also Joe Biden used that letter two days later when he was having his final debate
with Donald Trump, who of course brings up the laptop in our story.
He says, "They're talking about you, Joe."
They think you're corrupt.
What do you say to that?
And Joe Biden says, I have this letter from, you know, the top 50 former intelligence, the intelligence community says this is garbage.
It's a Russian plant.
And that's all that it took to wipe the story away.
Yeah.
You know, the letter, I can't think of a better analogy than how ridiculous this letter was in the, you know, their abuse of their expertise and their titles to portray a false narrative.
I mean, imagine 51 of the world's finest doctors signing a letter saying, saying, God forbid, but, um, Dan Bongino, it appears he may have cancer.
I can't prove it.
I haven't examined Dan.
I haven't seen him, but I see him on the thing and I don't know.
I mean, you'd be justifiably freaked out.
Oh my gosh.
I could have 51 brilliant doctors said I could have cancer.
Holy crap.
I better get to the doctor.
And then just say, Oh no, we just guessed because we, you know, we, whatever we wanted you to do to enrich the local oncology clinic.
I mean, that's what happened here, which is such a disgrace.
It was a political operation, obviously, and, you know, I've been told, you know, I can't prove it, but, you know, who was involved in it, but it was a democratic operation.
And once they got the top people signed on who are all mad Neva Trumpers, I mean, well, not all of them, but I mean, Clapper and Brennan and One of them, Miranda, is on the January 6th committee now, the former CIA deputy.
they're big names once you get them on board the lower level people you know they don't know any
better I guess um and they're all they're all democrats anyway I mean they always have been
they were particularly good at it. And one of them Miranda is on the January 6th committee now the
former CIA uh deputy I'm going to get to that story later he's uh yeah he's the chief of staff
It's ridiculous.
I've got about a minute and a half left.
We're talking to Miranda Devine, author of a book you really have to read, Laptop from Hell.
I can't describe to you the information in there until you read it, Laptop from Hell.
One last question for you.
The audience wanted me to ask you this, and it's a good one.
Why do you think the New York Times came clean now?
There's a bunch of theories.
Holman Jenkins thinks it's because of the Russia war and that the New York Times is trying to get serious again about journalism.
You know, I don't buy that.
I think it's more of an indictment thing and they're not going to be able to run from the story.
What do you think?
Yeah, I think that's right.
Look, I think the dam is about to burst and there's a lot of things happening.
It's not just Hunter Biden, but that's a big part of it. This Delaware
grand jury has been, his business partners have gone in there, his ex-girlfriends,
his baby mama, they've spilled a lot of beans. And so at some point, it's
likely that there will be indictments coming out of that for Hunter Biden, over tax evasion,
potential, a whole lot of things.
And I think that Hunter Biden had thought that was going to go away, that by paying the $1 million tax, that it was cleaned up, but it looks as if they're actually
going after other things, foreign agent registration allegations and the money laundering
allegations.
And they're also looking at Blue Star strategies, that lobbying firm that was
working with Burisma in Ukraine as well.
So, you know, I think it's going to be messy.
And I think the New York Times just buried in their 24th paragraph a story that was really about rehearsing Hunter's defense, legal defense, and how innocent he was.
They had to put it in there because they don't want their readers to be completely blindsided when the whole story comes out and they have to actually admit it.
And, you know, I know there are journalists On that paper, who know that the laptop's real, they were told by, you know, people who know back last year.
And the Washington Post is now looking at the laptop as well.
So, I think once that side of the media does start looking, they're going to pull the threads.
It's just a journalistic treat.
You know, if you're a journalist, it doesn't matter what side of the fence you're on, this is just a rocking great story.
Oh, I mean, Miranda, think about it.
I gotta run, but it has everything, you know?
Sex, drugs, rock and roll, politics, presidential elections, Donald Trump, Biden, Obama.
I mean, the thing is just a disaster, but I gotta run.
God bless you with the book.
You really did the nation a service by writing Laptop from Hell.
Mega bestseller.
Good luck with it.
We'll get one more plug in before we go, but we appreciate your time, Miranda.
Thanks a lot.
Thanks so much, Darren.
Bye.
You got it.
That's Miranda Devine, folks.
Author of Laptop from Hell.
I'm telling you, I gotta look at the book early.
I don't get involved with publishing for a lot of books, folks.
You may want to check this one out.
I'm just going to leave that one there.
Laptop from Hell.
It is worth every single penny.
Pick up Miranda's book, by the way.
She's the author of a terrific book.
I had a role in publishing.
I'm proud to say that it's called Laptop from Hell.
It exposes the corruption of the Biden family.
It was extensive.
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