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First up, today's interview with Molly Hemingway from The Federalist.
She's got a new book out called Rigged about how the media, big tech and Democrats meddled in the 2020 election.
Don't miss it.
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This story of how the media unnecessarily divides us, I think, is the biggest story of our time.
Really.
I don't think that the country, 30-40% of the country, are genuinely dumb people.
I don't think that.
So you have to ask yourself, why do they believe the things they believe?
And the answer is, because they're told it often and isolated from the truth.
That's why.
Someone who doesn't lie to you and tells you the truth is Molly Hemingway, senior editor at The Federalist, who has a terrific book out, Rigged, How the Media, Big Tech, and Our Democrats Seized Our Elections.
And might I add, everything else too.
Molly, welcome to the show.
Thanks for joining us.
It's great to be here with you.
Molly, you are a genuine media professional.
You know how it works.
You called at the last second, which I love because I do the same thing.
You've done so much media.
You know they say call at one.
It really means 105 with 30 seconds.
And I like the way you optimize your time.
Very strategic.
And I got to say, right, Jim?
She cut it right up to the end.
I'm super impressed.
You're one of the best.
Your book rigged.
How the, how the media, big tech and the Democrats seized our elections.
It's been flying off the shelves.
It's a big issue.
Uh, and the media narratives about the election, Molly, you're crazy.
I mean, when you ask common sense questions like, Hey, what happened in Pennsylvania with the last minute unconstitutional changes to election law, all of a sudden we're conspiracy theorists and crazies, even though Hillary Clinton still thinks she won the 2016 election.
Your thoughts on that?
Exactly.
That's why I wrote it.
I was appalled how after, The election, even though we all experienced it as the weirdest election of our lifetimes with all the changes, the rules and the processes and the mail-in ballots and the Zuckerberg funding and everything, you weren't allowed to notice it or say anything.
And that just struck me as deeply suspicious.
And so I knew I wanted to look into it and figure out what actually had happened.
And I'm really glad I did.
What are some of the highlights of the book?
We're talking to Molly Hemingway, author of Rigged, how the media, big tech, and our Democrats seized our elections.
What can we expect in the book?
Things we'll learn in there because I think we're all suspicious, Molly, and it's the most American thing we can do is to ask questions.
I mean, we had an unprecedented, at least in modern times, pandemic, an election with millions of mail-in ballots, with counties that had very little experience with mass mail-in ballots.
Florida has a lot of experience with that.
Therefore, their election went off.
Pretty well.
So what can we expect to find in the book?
Because a lot of people are still really concerned about this, given 2022 being right around the corner.
So I tell a lot of stories, detailed, substantiated stories, mostly focusing on Georgia, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.
But at heart, it really deals with two big issues.
And the first one, which kind of blew me away, was the role that Mark Elias played in corrupting our elections.
I had been following Mark Elias because he was the guy who created the Russia collusion hoax in 2016.
He was Hillary Clinton's general counsel.
He's the one who paid the people to make up the Russia story.
So I'd already been following him.
I couldn't believe what a big role he played in corrupting our 2020 elections by enacting hundreds of changes of important election integrity laws.
You know, flooding the zone with the mail-in ballots.
We had such, we had like a more than threefold increase in the number of mail-in ballots.
And it was just like you said, done very sloppily.
And then the other thing was that I had been led to believe that when Mark Zuckerberg put $419 million of his money into the election system, that this was like bipartisan help for COVID relief.
It wasn't, that was a lie.
It was an overtaking of governmental election offices, which are supposed to be preserved from partisan politics.
To run the Democratic get-out-the-vote operation, and they focused on blue cities and counties in swing states.
You know, Philadelphia to turn Pennsylvania, and the cities in Wisconsin to turn Wisconsin.
Atlanta to turn Georgia.
And it was plotted out very savvy, completely wrong.
I mean, they just brought in an army of left-wingers to run Democratic operations inside our governmental election offices.
And it was really effective for them.
We're talking to Molly Hemingway, a terrific writer and also the author of one of the hottest books out there right now, Rigged, How the Media, Big Tech, and the Democrats Seized Our Elections.
Molly, you know, listen, there are two people out there who I think are the biggest narrative busters on the right.
I'll throw Sean Davis in there too.
You, Sean, and Tucker, you go throw a Hit with an S in front of it, grenade in the tent, in a heartbeat if you think something's up.
No matter the media penalty, and you're frequently attacked for it, like Tucker and Sean are as well.
But the weird thing is you usually turn out to be right.
I mean, you would debunk the hoax, Russia hoax, immediately.
You had shown the Spygate story to not be a hoax.
But doesn't it speak to the power of the media over our, you know, collective Borg-like psyche in this country on the left right now that people like you, me, Sean, Tucker, Greg Jarrett, John Solomon, we're all considered by the mainstream, quote, misinformation specialists, and yet we've been right about Everything.
Like there's nothing in your book you don't back up with footnotes.
The Zuckerbuck's thing happened.
The Russian thing was a hoax.
It's like, again, does it not speak to the power of the media that we're considered the outsiders?
And yet we were actually factually correct the entire time.
Oh, it's amazing.
But I also think that it's important that people celebrate the marginalizing of our corporate media.
I mean, they do.
They have so much power.
They set narratives.
They do horrible things with their power, and they are, in my view, the most powerful, unaccountable political actors in the country.
But on the other hand, nobody's believing their BS anymore, and that's good.
I mean, Democrats are, and that's bad, but their credibility is at an all-time low.
I think the latest Gallup poll had 9% of Republicans believing corporate media and only, like, a third of independents.
If not for Democrats, they would just be totally in the toilet.
But I do think that more needs to be done by other leaders on the right.
A lot of the power these people have is because, for some reason, conservative leaders grant them power and they treat them like they're operating in good faith.
These people participated in dangerous hoaxes.
They should not be moderating debates or setting agendas or telling us what we can and can't talk about.
And so leaders need to push back much harder against them.
We're talking to Molly Hemingway, again, author of one of the hottest books out there right now, Rigged, How the Media, Big Tech, and Our Democrats Seized Our Elections.
That's exactly what they did.
You know, Molly, you're right, and I wonder, there's a number of theories on there, how the media degenerated to this point.
One of them I heard, which is quite credible, is You know, the media now has to rely on subscriptions more than anything, given the advent of social media and free sharing of content.
That's their money base, that's their arteries, that's their bloodline, right?
It's subscriptions.
So they've gone more from just, you know, I mean they were never really journalists, but you get the point, it's gotten worse.
They've gotten now towards just almost full-time activism because they're afraid of losing their sub-base.
Whether that's true or not, I don't know, I'm sure it plays a part.
But it's just incredible how they control the narrative on just about everything.
And you're right, some of these fake conservatives cater to it.
I mean, the silence on James O'Keefe and Veritas.
This is an unbelievable attack on freedom of the press.
The Russia hoax, which you, I, and hundreds of others laughed at.
We're like, this is so ridiculous, right?
The covering up for Joe Biden's failures, you know, Hunter Biden and the The blowhole paintings and then the big guy stuff.
You know, the celebrating of obvious double standards.
You know, Lois Lerner gets off on Eric Holder for contempt charges and yet Steve Bannon finds himself in handcuffs.
You know, you would think at some point they'd hit rock bottom and say, yeah, yeah, we are kind of frauds and hypocrites.
Maybe we should take a more balanced approach.
But it doesn't seem like that's happening.
Well, I think part of it is that it's working well for them.
So I remember it was in August that President Trump Mocked the Atlantic for losing 10 to 20 million dollars a year.
But I think that's a bargain for the people who are losing 10 to 20 million dollars a year.
I mean, these are billionaires who are able to use places like the Atlantic to funnel fake news, like their fake Ayn Marn story that Donald Trump supposedly disparaged dead Marines, which was not true, and yet For just the bargain of 10 to 20 million dollars, they were able to feed that into the media ecosystem.
It even shows up in one of these presidential debates, and why would they change when things are going so well?
Yeah, the Russia hoax was an obviously stupid lie, as was the Kavanaugh allegations, as were all these other things about the Covington boy.
They just lie, but they kind of get good political outcomes from it.
People need to not just acknowledge the lack of credibility these places have, but also support people who are showing that they are liars and showing what the true stories are.
That's important.
They have far too much corporate support at these awful media outlets.
Yeah, they do.
And, you know, the Federalists, I know, where you write, and Sean, who's terrific, and Margo Cleveland.
I mean, you guys have been amazing.
You find yourself under attack, too, by these crazies on the left who, again, pretend to be all about tolerance and coexistence, but they only want to coexist with like-minded people.
And, you know, you see that now with this Rittenhouse case, as well, and the really disturbing, troubling coverage of it.
I mean, if we were to jump the gun, And to go after some of these people the way they went after this young man, Kyle Rittenhouse, you know, we wouldn't be allowed in polite company again.
Calling him a domestic terrorist with no evidence whatsoever, a white supremacist, no evidence at all of that.
And yet they do it.
And I think it showed in the prosecution of the trial where you see the prosecutor seemed genuinely blindsided by just common sense things.
I mean, at one point he's like, hey, you're an outsider coming to Wisconsin or something like that.
And Kyle's like, well, you know, my dad lives in Wisconsin.
And the prosecutor, Molly, looks like stunned.
So is the media, you know, really doing these people any favors?
It's like they live in an alternate universe that when they're kicked in the cojones with facts, they almost don't know how to respond.
I mean, even Eric Wemple from the Washington Post, who's, in my opinion, a clown.
You can stay silent on that.
But he's like, hey, we got to start reevaluating all our articles about the Russia hoax thing.
Gee, now it's, uh, what's today's date, Jim?
Date check.
It's Monday, November 15, 2021.
Like, now you're reevaluating your coverage?
Maybe you should have done that before.
Oh, and I love that they correct or retract like two of the pieces.
That publication won a Pulitzer for its participation in what was an obvious hoax.
And so they need to do a lot more than retract a couple stories and put a few corrections on a few others.
They need to even have hope of being ever taken seriously ever again.
They need to repent fully, renounce themselves, make massive firings, hire people who aren't corrupt hacks.
I mean, the list of what they'd need to do is long and they're not cutting it with just a couple retractions.
Molly, thanks for your time.
I want everyone to go pick up Molly's book, Rigged.
Rigged.
Don't miss it.
Learn about Zuckerbucks and all the scams and schemes the media is desperately trying to hide about the 2020 election because they don't want to talk about it.
Well, Molly does.
You were very brave writing that book and I appreciate everything you do, you know, fighting for truth, liberty and justice over there at the Federalist.
You guys are terrific.
So thanks for coming on the show.
We appreciate it.
Thank you, Dan.
Take care.
You got it.
That was Molly Hemingway, folks.
She is an Amazon man.
She goes for it.
She don't care about any of this crap on the left.
You start BSing people, she's gonna call you out.
That was Molly Hemingway.
Up next, we have Senator Ron Johnson, who came on to talk about everything that's happened in Wisconsin, the state he represents over the last couple weeks.
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Here's Senator Ron Johnson talking with me about Kenosha, Waukesha, and the state of the country.
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So we just got an update on that tragic situation in Wisconsin this weekend from the police chief, the mayor, various police officials, and we learned a lot.
We learned the names of the people who were tragically killed.
This is just a really tough story to talk about.
Here to comment on it though is Senator Ron Johnson from the state of Wisconsin, a good man.
Senator, welcome to the show.
First, we appreciate you coming on, but your thoughts on this tragedy in Wisconsin this weekend.
Well, Dan, well, it was a horrific tragedy.
I just finished listening to the press conference here and you can just see how law enforcement, you know, how they were affected by this.
I mean, you listen to Chief Thompson, you listen to Mayor Riley, These are people that were at the scene
they described as a war zone, but you just can't help
but understand how profoundly sad this is and the effect not only on the victims and their family,
those that died, those that are still, those are injured, they're in the hospital, critically ill,
but just the people that were watching the parade, they were there to see Santa Claus,
they were there to see marching bands and the dancing grannies,
and instead they saw something just horrific that will haunt them for the rest of their lives.
I mean, it's just, this is just, it's just evil, Dan.
It's evil.
It's just terrible that this happens in any community.
It's just awful.
And Senator, I mean, obviously you hold an elected office.
You're a United States Senator from Wisconsin.
You obviously won.
You won races.
I can't imagine me having run for office myself.
I was in, I don't know, 200 parades.
You go down the parade route.
You know how it works.
You bring a couple campaign people with you, some volunteers.
They give out candy for, you know, there was the Autumn Glory Festival in Western Maryland that I used to go to every year.
You know, you give out campaign little widgets and gizmos to kids and everybody's having a good time and you're waving to people.
You know, some people boo you, some people cheer you.
It's just a good time.
It's all, and then as you just said, to have these people who go there for this really great event in a great, I mean, Americana, And just to come away with these now horrible memories, I think that's the greatest tragedy of all.
Then it comes from behind, too.
I mean, that's kind of a small point, but you've seen the video, that one group waving their flags, and this car just goes streaking by them, and fortunately those individuals, he missed them, but just plowing to other people from behind, it's just awful.
I'm glad they're holding a prayer vigil.
I'm going to be leaving shortly and just go and be there with community.
That's the best you can do.
You know, as I said before, I was having a tough time talking about it.
I wish I was more eloquent.
But as you just said, sometimes the best you can do is just let people know you're there for them.
I mean, that's the best you can do.
But again, thank you for taking the time.
We're talking to Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin.
Senator, I'd be remiss if I didn't get your thoughts about another case that's profoundly impacted Wisconsin.
And I wish it didn't.
But the Rittenhouse case.
I mean, if this is it now, you were one of the Loud voices on the Hunter Biden case, speaking out against the misinformation, disinformation campaigns by the left.
You were speaking the truth in that case from the beginning.
But what's really disappointing is, you know, nothing seems to change, Senator.
The Rittenhouse case from the beginning was a series of false talking points relayed by the media.
I mean, let's just go through a few.
He was carrying a short-barreled rifle.
False.
He had crossed state lines with a rifle.
False.
His mom dropped him off in Kenosha.
False.
He had no attachment to Kenosha.
False.
He shot black men.
False.
The judge in the case is a Republican racist.
False.
I mean, is anything ever going to change with these people?
These are facts, Senator.
These aren't opinions.
They were all wrong.
No, but they'll never admit they're wrong.
And, you know, it is the media, it's the social media that are just exacerbating the divide in this country.
It was amazing to watch that trial and, you know, actually see the themes.
And I wasn't able to watch a lot of it, but, you know, it was extensive coverage, so you saw a lot of the testimony.
And, you know, to me, it seemed like a pretty clear-cut case of self-defense.
It has been for quite some time as the information has been coming out on this thing, but then to see, you know,
certainly the conclusion I drew, and that Fox and, you know, other talk radio was drawing on
this.
And then you listen to CNN and MSNBC.
It's like, I mean, how can you look at the same reality and come away with two completely
versions of the fact?
Now, let me just say, I am so proud of the jurors.
I don't know who they are.
You know, the judge, you know, under the intimidation, the death threats, they deliberated, they
deliberated carefully.
And from my standpoint, they reached the right conclusion, but they did that in the face of intimidation.
And, you know, kind of going back to what happened yesterday, can we just be honest about something?
What happened yesterday never should have happened.
That monster, Daryl Brooks should be behind bars.
He never should have been left out.
But it is the left, it is Democrat governance that is for no bail, or minimal bail, or just kind of a revolving door in terms of incarceration for very dangerous criminals, whether it's people that they're letting into the country multiple times that commit crimes, or now in this case, it was Daryl Brooks that Should have been behind bars.
He never should have been behind the wheel of that car.
These people should be alive today.
They should still be celebrating what should have been a joyous Christmas parade, but he's not.
And there is a political movement that is responsible for these things.
There is a political movement that is responsible for this division, and it is the left.
It is the left.
There's a political movement of lawlessness, of chaos.
Let's just be honest about that.
No, I'm glad you said that, Senator, because it segues actually perfectly for my last segment, even though it was unintended.
I didn't even know you were going to bring that up.
I had said in my last segment that, you know, when you go through police academies and the Federal Law Enforcement Academy, you learn a lot about crime, who commits crime, why they do it, obviously.
I mean, it's part of your training.
And one of the things that always stood out to me is, Senator, there's a very, very small number of people in this country, thankfully, that commit the overwhelming number of crimes.
It's not just the 80-20 rule, 20% of the people committing, it's not even that.
It's like the 595 rule, like less than 5% of the people commit an overwhelming number of crimes.
So when you let these career criminals out in what I believe you accurately called out as a dopey policy of, you know, no cash bail or bail reform, you get the same people out.
Why would it surprise you that they go on to commit crimes?
It's not that we don't know this stuff.
Again, this never should have happened.
This, this is a breakdown in the criminal justice system in Milwaukee, which has been governed by Democrats for decades.
And it's spilling over into law-abiding communities like Waukesha.
Again, I'm sorry I'm saying these things in a moment like this, but they have to be said.
People have come to realize they have to be a part of this country.
No, I don't think you need to be sorry.
I think your statement is spot-on accurate, and I think if more people had the guts to say it, even in moments of tragedy like this, maybe we wouldn't have to have these conversations in moments of tragedy because it wouldn't be so many moments of tragedy.
Perfectly entitled to say that.
That is an effort to save people's lives.
You know exactly what you're saying, and what you're saying is correct.
These people doing this deserve to be called out, Senator.
I mean, these people out there, you accurately stated, are getting people killed.
You have de Blasio in New York, some of the DA's in even a place like Wisconsin, a relatively red-leaning state.
You have these George Soros-funded prosecutors.
That's a fact.
That's not a conspiracy theory.
In places like San Francisco, leading to mass looting events, like we're living in The Walking Dead.
You are perfectly, as a public servant, entitled to bring that up and try to correct this thing.
I applaud you.
You don't need to apologize for anything.
I think it's just watching that press conference and you see the emotion there and realizing some tragedies can't be prevented.
This one never should have happened.
That's what's so infuriating about this.
Yeah, right.
Senator, while I've got you, I've got a few minutes with you.
We're talking to Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin.
Good man.
Senator, I hate to shift gears after such a tragedy, but I got a lot I want to get to with you.
And this spending bill, this Build Back Worse plan by Joe Biden.
You know, you're in the Senate every day.
It's obviously a limited body compared to the House with their 435 members.
You guys are smaller, obviously.
So you probably all know each other, I would assume.
I'd assume, you know, you guys talk and even if the party on the other side, you probably get a good feel Well, I hope they don't.
you see Manchin and Sinema on this thing? It passed the House. It's a disastrous
bill. It's even worse than their so-called infrastructure bill. This
could really bankrupt us and cause inflation like we haven't seen before,
even though we're already in an inflationary crisis. You think Manchin
and Sinema are going to fold on this?
Well, I hope they don't. I actually walked with Joe Manchin from the Hart
building over the Capitol a couple of weeks ago, and I just conveyed him and
said, "I've got my supporters sending me the emails that they're sending out to
their friends praying for Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema."
They're seeing how they are being abused and harassed and protested by their own supporters.
And so I just said, you know, my supporters are sending out emails asking their friends to pray for you.
And I also said, Joe, you know, it's not very often.
In U.S.
history, where one or two individuals can literally change the course of history.
We are on a very dangerous path now, Joe.
I mean, we can't afford the entitlements we've got.
We need to fix those.
We need to make those sustainable.
We have to stop mortgaging our children's futures.
So, Joe, again, you're going to do what you're going to do, but I'm just telling you, just please, please consider what path this nation's on and how you can affect it.
I mean, Senator, you were a businessman.
You weren't a career politician.
You were a business guy before you came into the Senate, the United States Senate, in the great state of Wisconsin.
I've got to imagine, you know, in business, you probably did the most.
I'm a business guy myself.
You have spreadsheets.
You have net present value of a project.
You know, lines in a spreadsheet about income lines and expense lines and you try to figure out if a project's going to be profitable or not.
I mean, I wish we could all predict the future.
Every business would be profitable ever, but sometimes you can't.
The point here is you don't need to make any predictions.
We are mathematically going bankrupt.
We have 20 plus trillion dollars in debt.
We're racking up trillions more every year.
No one, Senator, no one anywhere is predicting a balanced budget anytime in the future.
And yet, we continue to do the same thing over and over again.
I mean, this has to be, for a business guy like yourself, the most frustrating experience of your entire life.
Dan, we put so much more time and effort into analyzing a $10 million investment in a piece of equipment or a new plant.
Right.
Vastly more time and effort that goes into a $10 million investment versus, what, a $2, $3, $4, $5 trillion spending boondoggle?
No, I mean, it bothers your mind how, pardon my French, half-assed The federal government is, and this process is.
I'm sorry, the people passing this stuff, voting for this stuff, they don't know what they're doing.
They don't have a clue.
The type of long-term damage this type of spending, this kind of debt creation is going to do to future generations.
They just know that it's popular and it might get them votes.
Yeah, which again is such an abdication of your responsibility as a public servant.
I can't get over it.
I mean, we're going bankrupt.
There's no doubt about it.
And everybody's going to look back after it happened and go, I don't know.
What happened?
What do you mean what happened?
We spent money we didn't have for 50 years.
I mean, what did you think was going to happen?
Senator Ron Johnson, thanks again for taking the time.
I really appreciate it.
I hope you have a really happy, wonderful Thanksgiving with your family.
Thanks for coming on.
Same to you.
Stay well.
Okay, up next, we talk with Margo Cleveland about an election whistleblower in Pennsylvania and a troubling video about the 2020 election.
Here's Margo Cleveland on a Pennsylvania election whistleblower, troubling video, and also on defamation law in the case of Kyle Rittenhouse.
Margot Cleveland, thanks for joining the show.
I'm sorry you had to listen to that, Margot.
I just, I can't believe the country is decaying into such unbelievable madness.
And maybe it's just social media, Margot, now that we're seeing it more.
But gosh, a guy in a wheelchair in New York City getting beaten up.
You know, your quick thoughts on that.
These crazy liberals causing this chaos everywhere.
You know, it's funny.
I was right before I got on with you, I was on Twitter and there's this great quote that Technophobe, you probably follow him.
Oh, Travis, he's the best.
Yes, he's great.
But he had an article the other day and he had this great quote.
It was that we were living a top down revolution and it's causing death at the bottom.
And if you think about it, that's spot on.
We've got all the liberal elites who are getting rid of bail.
Getting rid of enforcing laws, letting crimes that are, you know, victimless, and using, you know, scare quotes there, go.
And who's suffering?
It's the people at the bottom, not the elitists with their private security.
It is the people of Kenosha who had their buildings burnt.
It is the people in New York who are, you know, in wheelchairs where there's, the police are not enforcing the law.
And it's just horrifying.
Yeah, it is.
We're talking to Margo Cleveland.
I can't believe we haven't spoken sooner.
I'm almost like offended at myself.
Margo is just a spectacular writer at The Federalist.
You'd be doing yourself an enormous service to follow her everywhere on all the social media platforms.
Read her pieces at The Federalist.
You had a piece up today about You know, you and I do facts, okay?
We're not leftist journalists.
We covered Spygate and the Russia hoax fairly, footnoted everything.
I used you in my book Follow the Money so extensively, you might have wrote a chapter yourself without even knowing it.
I have so many of your footnotes in there.
But what I'm always bothered by with the left-wing media is they're not willing to investigate anything.
And there's this video that's emerged out of Delaware County, Pennsylvania.
You have a piece up in the Federalist about it today.
Can you describe to us what's going on there?
Because the video at first glance appears to be two public officials, and just being candid about what we see, conspiring to destroy some election equipment, which is kind of weird.
It is, it is.
So there are actually four videos that I've received from a source who is involved in or close to some litigation that was just filed late last week in Pennsylvania.
And there are more videos out there, but of the four, there are three that are really looking at the destruction of the evidence from the 2020 election.
And just to make clear, we're not talking about them changing the results, but what we're talking about is the material, the backup support being destroyed.
So in one of them, you have two individuals talking and one is saying to get rid of Some equipment.
And the other guy said, it's actually pads and scanners.
And the other gentleman on the recording says, we can't talk about it anymore.
And the first one says, why?
He says, it's a felony.
And that is the end of the clip.
But if you look at the lawsuit, what the allegation in there is that there was a whistleblower who was in the room.
And after there was a encouragement to have a private conversation, because
there were other people in the room and the same individual was taping some of
the other things that were going on, including the destruction of tapes that
were showing the results from the voting machines and all of this appears to be
triggered by a right to know request that was served on Delaware County in
So this is all coming from the allegations of the lawsuit.
And those videos were filed along with the lawsuit.
It's linked in my article.
You can, you know, watch them for yourself.
Yeah, they're little snippets.
They don't have the whole thing there, which would be pretty much impossible to do anyway.
But you read that in conjunction with what the lawsuit is alleging, and it is really disturbing.
It is.
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Margo, I guess that begs the question, and, you know, you're a facts person.
You do facts.
You're a lawyer.
Very smart.
You never get out ahead of your skis, but It just begs the obvious question.
If it wasn't going to change anything, then why would you be on a hidden camera recording with a whistleblower destroying, you know, election tapes?
I mean, I'm willing to entertain things.
Maybe it's just because you just want to, I don't know, piss some people off.
Yeah.
We're not going to give you that.
Burn it.
I mean, no, I mean, listen, Occam's razor, right?
We got to, we got to, we have to entertain all possible things here and go with the one that has the most parsimony.
So what do you think?
Well, there are actually two things.
I was laughing when you said it just to piss some people off, because some of the allegations in the complaint actually indicate that's kind of what was going on in other areas.
That instead of just handing the material over, they mixed it up to make it hard for the people who are actually trying to review it.
You might say, well, why would you do that?
And really, why would you do that?
Unless it was to just piss it off and make people angry.
But the second part of it is, why destroy this evidence?
And this is where one of the videos itself kind of gives a hint.
And the guy says, look, this stuff has no audit value.
In other words, and this is from a source close to this lawsuit, that this data would not support their numbers.
And like I said, there was a fourth video that I didn't discuss in this article that I'm going to bring up another time, but it was talking about some, um, missing and kind of improperly cared for.
I'm not sure if they call them V chips, but it was basically the data from the computer system.
It was a mess.
I mean, this election was just a mess in this County.
And if you look at the video, you can see at the end, they're kind of zooming in on what some of the documents are.
And there are things such as that these numbers don't add up or we're missing this or we're missing that.
So the theory behind this was that they were getting rid of the evidence that showed that they violated election laws, that they didn't follow the procedures and that these numbers Didn't have the tally support that they should have had they followed the procedures.
So, again, not necessarily that they were wrong, but that it confirmed that they violated the election law.
You know, Margo, talking to Margo Cleveland, writes for The Federalist about some emerging video, hidden video taken out of Pennsylvania with some really serious allegations of election malfeasance.
As you said, you know, we don't get out ahead of our skis.
But this just seems like, this goes from bad to worse, right?
So there's obviously an election with a lot of shenanigans, okay?
Obviously we had millions of mail-in ballots the first time, coronavirus pandemic, all this stuff going on.
Pennsylvania had this illegal change in voting laws.
It was clearly unconstitutional, right?
You think the best way to clear it up would be to say something like, hey, transparency, sunlight's the best disinfectant.
There were obvious problems.
We get that.
But to show you that it didn't impact the results, we're going full open kimono, Margo.
You can see everything, warts and all.
You'll see this.
Yes, there were mistakes.
You'll see this.
There were errors.
Yes, there was some confusion.
But you'll also see this.
The results weren't changed or whatever.
They can't even get that right!
And then what they do is create this downward spiral where we trust them even less because each time we ask for more information it results in another collusion attempt and conspiracy attempt to shut us off from the information.
This just gets worse the more you try to hide it.
It does, it does.
One of those scenarios where the cover is worse than crime.
Who knows exactly what that would have shown But the hiding it and what you're seeing on tape is pretty, pretty damning.
You also have to keep in mind here, the only reason we know this is because someone actually taped it.
Have they made these allegations and just filed this in the lawsuit with no video behind it?
Everyone was, oh, this is just some wacko conspiracy theory.
Me and you.
Oh, fact checkers would be all over, Margo.
Fact check!
This is BS!
Speculation!
Missing context!
You know, that would happen.
I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to cut you off.
I just, I have a few more minutes.
I want to get you in on one more thing.
You're a really talented lawyer and just switching gears a minute.
Folks, by the way, read her piece today.
The Federalist, Margo Cleveland.
It is in there today about this Pennsylvania law.
It's in my newsletter, Bongino.com slash newsletter, or you can go to the Federalist and read it there as well.
Margo, again, you're a lawyer.
Kyle Rittenhouse, this case against Joe Biden.
Joe Biden, clearly before he was the president, I believe defamed him by implying or directly saying that Kyle Rittenhouse was a white supremacist.
That is not backed up by the facts.
Do you think he has a legitimate case in court that'll get past that dreaded discovery stage there, where he could potentially win against a President of the United States?
Unfortunately not, because most courts are going to say calling someone a white supremacist is like calling them a racist.
And most courts say calling someone a racist is an opinion.
You can't prove it.
You can't disprove it.
It's not like saying they discriminated against someone because of their race.
So, I don't think he has a case against Biden, but really, the case against Biden shouldn't be in court.
He should be getting a political punishment.
He should be getting clumbled by the American public.
How dare he accuse this kid, this teenager, of being a white supremacist?
No, it's disgusting.
It's disgusting.
He should have political payback.
And listen, I love having people on the show who intellectually stimulate me and don't just toe the company line.
I don't want to hear the company line.
I want to hear your actual legal opinion.
But having said that, is this, I mean, do you see it as a cut and dried case or do you see it as it depends what judge you get?
I mean, I've been involved in defamation cases where people defame me and I asked six lawyers their opinion and got 22 opinions.
Oh, absolutely.
I mean, really, you think it's cut and dried or it's just your opinion it's not a very good case?
You know, I think that it's more cut and dry than not a good case because I actually recently had done some research on what if you call someone a racist and the overwhelming majority of cases say calling someone a racist is an opinion and that to me is purely, you know, very analogous to white supremacist.
Now, I'd have to know what state law applies.
I'd have to dig through the work.
I don't think that would matter what judge it was, because the trial judge is going to be bound by what the appellate courts say is opinion versus fact.
So I think most Americans, when you say someone is a white supremacist, they interpret that as a fact.
But the courts don't.
They look at it as an opinion.
Because how do you prove it?
What are you going to do?
Bring them in and say, well, do you hold this view?
Do you hold that view?
I think that it's pretty cut and dry that he's not going to have a case on that, but all the more reason for us to hit Biden for what he did politically.
Yeah, make him pay politically.
Yeah, people will raise some GoFundMe to pay his defamation fees.
Well, I got 30 seconds left, but quick thoughts.
Calling him a murderer, though, is different, like Tiffany Cross implied on MSNBC.
Murder is a legal term.
Could she be in trouble for that?
You know, that's one where I'm not sure because, you know, I think O.J.
Simpson's a murderer.
Am I going to get sued for saying that?
So, you know, I don't know how that plays out.
And that one, I'm in the middle on.
I could go both ways on that.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, Margo, thank you for your informed, responsible opinion.
I love your writing.
We'll definitely have you back.
You were terrific.
Thanks for joining us.
Oh, thanks so much, Dan.
Take care.
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