What’s the Deal With Bigoted Celebrities? (Ep 1299)
In this episode, I address the growing evidence that there is a large group of “secret” Trump voters out there ready to vote. I also address the growing body of research that masks and lockdowns do not work. Finally, I address the bigoted comments by this celebrity and the celebrities who support him.
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Private schools are more likely to open up than government schools.
Why Sweden succeeded in flattening the curve and New York failed.
Rioters in NY City received a delivery of baseball bats before they violently attacked peaceful protestors.
President Trump makes a significant campaign change.
Renowned Stanford Doctor says the kids should go back to school.
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More racist nonsense, this time from a museum.
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You know, why is it, I've asked this question now, my gosh, for three, four years, when I saw a Verizon commercial with a Hollywood celebrity who had said some outrageous things about cops.
Why is it that celebrities are allowed to say the most bigoted, anti-Semitic, racist, Misogynistic, whatever things out there, and they always get a pass.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, for a simple reason, it has nothing to do with any of those things other than power.
And celebrities happen to be liberal, and if you're liberal, you're a protected class.
I got that.
I got a lot more on the show today, including more just stunning research charts and stuff that's gonna show you we're being totally gaslit right now.
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Welcome to the Damn Bongino Show.
Producer Joe, how are you today?
Fine, sir.
Mr. Bongino, I'm doing good, but you know, I'm tired of feeling like prey.
I feel like prey.
Yeah, well, every time, on every issue, and it's just like we're being- Yes, thank you, sir.
And that's why, I'm going to flip the script a little today.
I've been starting off with a lot of coronavirus stuff, but this is important stuff.
Why celebrities and liberal left-leaning entertainers, sports figures, whatever, always get a pass, yet if you're on the right, and you're a conservative, and you say something that's even mildly milquetoast, perceived to be wrong, boycotts, deplatform, it's a joke.
All right, let's get right to it.
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All right, Dano.
Now, yes, this is, I had to alter the order of the show today because this really had me furious.
And I do these intros, uh, kind of, um, teases for the show on my parlor account at D'Bongino every morning.
And I'm like, I'm turning the show upside down because this is infuriating.
You know, a couple of years back, I was living in my other house there.
And I saw this Verizon ad and it featured a Hollywood actor who had recently been on the wrong side of, I mean, just saying some really, supporting some horrible things that were said about policing.
And I thought, that's interesting, Verizon, a huge company.
You'd think like they would run away from controversy, right?
Oh my gosh, we don't want that.
We're trying to appeal to a broad base of customers.
We don't want to put people out there who are polarizing, but nothing happened whatsoever.
Nothing, zero, zilch, nadissimo, nothing.
Now we have this.
Look at this Daily Mail story.
Nick Cannon.
You know who Nick Cannon is?
He used to be on America's Got Talent.
He was in the role now as the great Terry Crews.
It used to be the dreadful Nick Cannon.
So Nick Cannon, he's an entertainer and a celebrity in every respect.
I think he does a whole bunch of different stuff.
Nick Cannon apologizes for being anti-Semitic, but not for calling white people, this is a quote, evil rapists and savages.
Here's the rest of the headline.
The Daily Mail is the longest headline ever.
As black stars back him and Charlemagne, I'm not calling this guy, he calls himself Charlemagne, he's Charlemagne, okay?
Forgive me.
And Charlemagne says Viacom CBS firing him proves that, quote, Jews have the power Wow, dude.
Those are quotes, by the way.
I know liberals, again, tough time with facts.
Those are quotes, meaning those are words actually said, spoken verbatim, by Nick Cannon and Charlemagne, who says that because Nick Cannon was let go by Viacom, For calling white people savages?
Yeah, something like that.
White people savages.
Yeah, yeah.
Exactly like that.
That proves that Jews have the power.
Okay.
Let's go on a little more about what Nick Cannon said.
Keep in mind, nothing serious is ever going to happen.
We're not going to be deplatformed.
They'll be accepted in circles, in Hollywood celebrity circles.
Remember, if you're a leftist, you can say whatever you want.
Cops are pigs, Jews have the power, white people are savages.
It doesn't matter because you're a leftist and none of this is about protecting minorities, judging people by who they are, not their religion.
It has nothing to do with that.
Nothing.
This has everything to do with obtaining and keeping political power and crushing your political opposition.
And if they see you as a useful tool, like a celebrity with a big following, you will rapidly be forgiven by the clowns in the media, the elitist snobs, and the academic elitist losers who tell you we're really in it for the cause.
Your cause is power.
Your cause has nothing to do with protecting Black voters, Hispanic voters, Black citizens, people from foreign countries, immigrants, people who are Muslim, Jewish.
It has nothing to do with any of that.
You don't care.
This man would be if that was actually true.
Removed from polite society tomorrow.
Meaning not accepted anywhere in public circles.
Nothing is going to happen to Nick Cannon of any significance whatsoever in the long run.
Because they don't care!
Let's go to the peace.
In case you think I'm making any of this up.
Despite the fallout from Nick Cannon calling white people "savages,"
a number of celebrities have voiced their support for the TV producer on social
media.
Wait, Joe, clearly I'm reading that wrong.
A number of celebrities have boycotted their su- Have voiced their support for the TV producers, including P. Diddy, who used to be Puff Daddy, who somehow thought P. Diddy was a better name, and former NBA star Dwayne Wade!
Diddy, real name Sean Combs, offered Canada Spot on his TV network on Wednesday, inviting him to, quote, come home to a truly Black-owned media company.
We're doing what?
We're doing segregation?
Is that what we're doing now?
Black-owned, that's just what we're doing now?
We're segregating things by race?
I'm just asking, folks.
I'm just asking questions.
I thought that was wrong.
Oh, it goes on.
I don't know.
I see you over there.
The only way we can change the narrative, educate and uplift each other, is if we do it together, Nick, my brother.
This is Diddy or Daddy or whatever.
I'm here to support you fully in any way you need.
What we are not going to do is turn our backs on our brothers and sisters when they challenge the system.
Combs said in an Instagram post.
Oh my gosh.
This is real.
This is real.
These are the accept... You understand these people are morons, right?
I'm not kidding.
Listen, can I again point a personal privilege on the show here, if I may?
In my prior line of work, which I really am getting tired of it, but it's important, a lot of times, especially when I was working with the Clintons, not so much with Republicans, but with Democrats like the Clintons, when I was a Secret Service agent supporting their details, especially Mrs. Clinton when she was running for Senate in New York in 1999-2000, we would be around celebrities a lot because that's who they hang around with.
I'm not stereotyping everyone.
There's some very smart celebrities out there on the right and on the left.
I'm just telling you my experiences.
I gave you my experiences with the media last week and the press plane and what they do.
These deranged, uh, real, I mean, lunatics on the press plane.
These are the people telling you the truth and the facts, the media people, some of the stuff I saw, you know, you, you, you know, when you, when you hear about what they do behind closed doors, you'd be rev, you revolt in horror.
Celebrities are some of the dumbest people on the planet.
Some of the questions you would get to them.
I'm not going to say who, because it would be unfair.
But you'd get things like this all the time.
This one may be minor, but it just made me laugh so much.
I was sitting there at the US Open, the tennis tournament.
I was an agent.
And I forget who I was there with, Condi Rice or Hillary Clinton.
I forget who it was at the time.
But a celebrity sat next to me and I was listening to his conversation.
And it was, what?
You know the story?
It was at the level of probably a fourth grader.
I'm not kidding.
This is a celebrity who hates Trump, by the way.
And he looked at my watch and said, Hey man, is that one of those Monandos?
I was like, Monando?
What the hell is a Monando?
Like an Italian ice company?
You mean a Movado?
Like, okay, you may be, all right, I get it.
Like maybe I'm de classe, I don't know, but I don't know what a Monando is.
Is that like a real company?
I have no idea.
And then I remember going away.
Party in the Hamptons.
For me, I was working as an agent because Clinton was going there.
Bill Clinton.
And there were a number of other celebrities.
Again, I'll leave them out of this.
And they were talking to me and asking me questions.
I swear it was like, is this for real?
Is this person not understanding what I'm saying?
Or are they genuinely this stupid?
This is what you're dealing with.
Racist, bigoted, anti-Semitic.
Openly, openly anti-Semitic.
The Jews have the power.
What?
We're doing, what, Star Wars-like conspiracy theories now?
White people are savages.
These are real quotes from people who get backup from other people who I'm telling you in the long run nothing will happen because this is not about combating racism or anything like that.
It is to us.
It's not to them.
It's about political power.
And these people doing this, saying these abhorrent, grotesque things, are useful to the left.
So in the long run, they'll make it all go away.
Like they always do.
It's disgusting.
Alright, moving on.
Finally, finally, a governor with some guts.
I'm loving this guy more and more by the day, by the way.
Georgia Governor Brian Kemp makes, I think, his first appearance on the show here.
I love this guy.
So, Georgia Governor Brian Kemp, with cojones made of pure 100% titanium, unadulterated by any other minerals or metals, or cheaper metals.
Titanium!
Titanium.
You kicked him, your ankle hurts, not him.
Georgia Governor Brian Kemp bans cities and counties from mandating masks.
Nice.
As I said, and I will say again, I'm not anti-mask.
If it makes you comfortable to wear one, go right ahead.
I'm not a tyrant like the left.
I'm not here to make fun of you or insult you.
I have read the data.
Masks don't do anything.
If you are not sick, they do and they can help in a limited fashion.
If you are sick and sneezing, they can help and prevent you from contaminating others.
In case you haven't noticed, though, the research on the masks, which is everywhere, by the way, including the WHO, which Joe Biden loves and we can't stand, themselves did a meta-analysis on masks and couldn't find basically any research showing that they're effective in combating respiratory diseases.
But if you want to wear one, go right ahead.
If you're a business who wants people to wear one, that's your call.
I understand.
I will, of course, don one if that's what you want in your business.
I just don't want government telling us what to do.
And as someone said to me the other day, a healthcare professional emailed me, you know, it's fascinating that people really believe masks work.
How do you think you're breathing in the mask?
The air is taking the path of least resistance around.
Well, it stops the droplets.
Not all of them, folks.
The evidence is actually very limited.
They do anything at all.
So, good for Governor Brian Kemp.
He's done a couple things, and this guy, much respect.
Much respect.
One, for respecting individual liberty and adults to make their own adult decisions about the mask.
But secondly, for opening up early, because lockdowns don't matter.
Dan, you can't say that!
Lockdowns definitely work.
We know that.
There's science behind it.
There is!
Where's that?
Again, are we allowed to ask questions anymore?
Are we doing that?
Are we asking questions?
Or is the liberal media controlling the narrative so much that if we ask questions, we're the ones who get boycotted and removed from public life?
You know, again, if you're a liberal, you can say things like, you know, Jews have the power and it's a okay, you'll be fine.
But if you're a conservative and you dare to ask a question like, is there any actual research just checking that masks work?
No, but if you ask that, you're definitely a racist.
Oh, I, what?
This is what passes for common sense, he says.
Let's go to this article at fee.org.
Why Sweden succeeded in flattening the curve and New York failed.
The reason New York failed to flatten the curve and Sweden succeeded probably has little to do with lockdowns.
Now, of course, you have people like the dreadful governor of California, a total failure in every respect.
I'm just an abomination, a man destroying One of the greatest states in the Union.
People vote these just morons in and I just don't get it.
I mean, he's actually decimating and destroying your state by the minute.
How does that make you feel?
If you're a citizen of New York or California, knowing you voted these people in and they're destroying your lives.
Does that make you feel good?
I'm just checking.
So let's look at some evidence here.
So I read this piece, which is in the show notes.
I strongly encourage you to read it because some of you still believe like economic lockdowns have any effect whatsoever on the spread of this virus, coronavirus, the Wuhan virus from China.
Some of you still believe that for some bizarre reason.
I don't know why.
There's no evidence at all out there.
Again, just like the evidence on masks is a counter, they're counterproductive in many cases.
Let's go to a screenshot from this piece.
Check out my show notes, by the way.
Bongito.com slash newsletter if you want to check it out, because we're doing facts here.
It says, hey, if flattening the curve was the primary goal of policymakers, you know, flattening the curve, keeping the fatality count low, but more spread out over time, that way hospitals weren't overwhelmed, then Sweden was largely a success, and New York, despite widespread closures and strict enforcement of social distancing policies.
New York was not a success.
The reason New York failed and Sweden succeeded probably has relatively little to do with the fact that bars and restaurants were open in Sweden.
In other words, ladies and gentlemen, Sweden maintained a relatively light touch approach to lockdowns.
They let their economy, relatively speaking, stay open.
New York locked everything down.
New York had a massive fatality count and Sweden did not.
As Weiss explains, the difference probably isn't related to lockdowns at all.
It probably has much more to do with the fact that New York failed to protect the most at-risk populations, the elderly and infirmed.
Oh.
Here's the money quote, ladies and gentlemen.
Here's the good news.
You can shut down businesses or keep them open.
Close schools or stay in session.
Wear masks or not, says Weiss, a graduate of Harvard Business School.
The virus will make its way through in either case.
And if we protect the elderly, then deaths will be spared.
You don't believe me?
You don't think I'm kidding?
Sweden, which maintained again a relatively light touch and did not shut their country down.
You want to see the body count in New York, which, which did, uh, you know, government enforced lockdowns, basically shut down the whole state.
You want to show how useless they were?
Look at this chart.
If you want to check it out, go to youtube.com slash bungee.
And I'll explain it to you though.
Here it is for me, you know, on Weiss's Twitter feed.
Uh, here, let me just explain it to you.
Here's a, a big, huge crest in deaths in New York and a relatively flat curve in Sweden.
You can see it right there.
Come back to me.
I'll explain.
So here's New York up really high.
Let's envision this, folks.
For those of you listening on audio only, we have a massive mountain in New York of fatalities, and we have a small little rolling hill in Sweden.
Mountain, New York, small rolling hill in Sweden.
Now, some will come back and say, well, Sweden compared to Belgium had a higher fatality rate.
Okay, fair.
It also had a lower fatality rate than other European countries as well.
So it's interesting how you only compare Sweden to some countries and cherry-pick your data to make it look like their non-lockdown policy was an abomination, but when you compare it to a place that actually locked down, like New York, all of a sudden you don't want to discuss that data at all.
Again, that's not science.
That's your opinion.
That's your bias, your affirmation bias, where you've pre-concluded what you think is—the conclusion was drawn before you even looked at the data.
Folks, we're getting to a dangerous place here.
I'm telling you, we are in a post-science world where, ironically, liberals have hijacked the word science when they're really talking about propaganda.
Let me get to one more article, as I get a lot to get through today as well.
It's the chaos in New York.
A video, it's going to just blow your mind.
I can't believe this stuff is happening.
But, Washington Examiner.
Again, the power of freedom and liberty.
Private religious schools are more likely than public schools to reopen in the fall by Nicholas Rowan, the Washington Examiner.
Article will be up at the show notes.
Why do you think that is?
Why do you think private schools are opening up while public schools, many of them, are locking down?
Well, maybe because parents in private schools choose to send their kids there.
And if those schools then choose to not open, those parents may choose not to pay.
It's crazy, Joe!
School choice, markets, capitalism, freedom, liberty, you know, crazy ideas like that.
Private schools opening.
So I have a suggestion.
And hopefully I'll get this story later about the dreadful teachers union in Los Angeles, which doesn't give a damn about the kids at all.
Please, can we stop that for a minute?
Not knocking you teachers out there.
Don't dare misconstrue what I'm saying.
The teachers unions out there pushing for these lockdowns.
We want more money, more money.
It's probably the largest light item of every local budget right now.
You need more money.
Not about the kids.
So just to be clear, everybody wants to defund the police that are on the front lines dealing with COVID patients in the street every single day, along with rampant criminality in big cities.
Defund them, but let's fund schools that aren't even open.
That makes sense to you.
I'm just checking.
Again, we're just asking questions.
That makes sense to you?
If it does, you're most likely a liberal.
Of course private religious schools will open because if they don't, they won't get paid.
But again, teachers unions, don't open those schools.
We're good.
Leave your kids at home.
We're A-okay.
Yeah.
I don't think so.
All right, let me get to my second sponsor, and I'm gonna get to this New York Post piece, because ladies and gentlemen, they're not peaceful protesters, okay?
Can we stop this nonsense?
If you get hit with a bat and they open your skull up, I don't know in what dictionary or thesaurus you found the word peaceful next to that, okay?
Maybe I'm missing something here.
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Folks, New York is collapsing in front of our very eyes.
The world's greatest city.
I grew up there.
My heart will always be in the Big Apple.
It is a damn shame to watch this city descend into chaos, and not only descend into chaos, but descend into chaos so rapidly.
Look at this article at the New York Post.
You know, the dirty little secret of criminology that people who've studied this know is that a very small portion of the population commits an overwhelming percentage of the crime.
You know, the old 80-20 rule?
You know, 20% of people commit 80% of the crimes.
20% of the people do 80% of the work.
That 80-20 rule works in criminology too.
Video shows protesters get shipment of bats before Brooklyn Bridge brawl.
Now, what's even more interesting about this New York Post article, this again shows the media, they can't stop lying to you.
Schools, coronavirus, lockdowns, it doesn't matter.
If you are watching these imbeciles in the media, you are getting your bizarro Superman land coverage of things that are not, you know, bizarro Superman, everything's upside down.
It's the Seinfeld episode where he does everything wrong.
That's the media.
Joe, largely peaceful protest.
Well, there actually was a peaceful protest going on.
It was a unity rally where community affairs officers from the NYPD, Joe, were marching with people from the community for actual peace.
The very definition of a peaceful protest.
Walk arm in arm.
Call for peace.
Peace.
I mean, I mean, liberals, I don't know if liberals know what peace means anymore.
The absence of violence.
I mean, I don't know how to describe it other than using negation.
From the New York Post piece.
This is fascinating.
The other, you know, as they describe BLM and Antifa, largely peaceful as they're burning down buildings and attacking people.
This is fascinating.
They got a delivery of baseball bats beforehand in a vehicle.
Baseball bats, you know, but folks, they weren't playing T-ball.
This was not the Port St.
Lucie Mets.
They weren't taking batting practice.
They got deliveries of baseball bats in a car because they were taking batting practice on people's bodies.
What did I tell you about the radical left?
They always need their shock troops on the front line.
And the reason they need the shock troops is to scare you into silence because the radical left doesn't want resistance, any resistance.
They don't want counter protest.
They want you in fear.
That's what big government fascist tyrants do.
They need a fearful populist that will shut their mouth, stay in their house.
And then you need shock troops to do that.
The reason the left wants to defund the police is because the police are going to get in their way and they're going to attack them now too.
I think the video, there's no sound to this, but there's a, you may have missed this, but here's a video of the Brooklyn Bridge.
Meanwhile, keep in mind, this is a protest where cops were marching with community members, with community members, for peace.
They were then attacked by activists, who, you know, again, largely peaceful.
And here's a video of, yes, a guy bashing the NYPD police chief on the head, opening his skull up with a cane.
Again, largely peaceful protest.
Now this is, again, this is the Orwellian Bizarro world, Seinfeld, George Costanza doing everything backwards episode we live in.
We're in actual peaceful protest of cops and civilians walking across the bridge, marching for actual peace, is attacked by a bunch of radical maniacs who get a delivery of baseball bats and proceed to bash the police chief in the skull.
And yet, the liberal media will continue to paint the liberal radical activists as peaceful protests and the cops as the enemy.
They need the shock troops.
The why matters.
I haven't said that in a while.
And one of the things I enjoy doing on the show is not just showing you the footage, but the why.
You know, why do they want lockdowns immediately?
They want lockdowns because they know it'll damage Trump because Trump's gonna run on the economy.
It's nothing to do with science.
There's no science these lockdowns do anything for the coronavirus mitigation measures at all.
Why do they support violent, openly violent shock troops on the front line?
Because they intimidate opposition from gathering, protesting themselves and getting out their political message.
It's no more complicated than that.
Now again, showing you how the media We'll spin, and this is great.
Is this great?
No, this is Free Beacon.
The Washington Free Beacon put together a great montage.
Hat tip to them.
We're gonna play it now.
It's about a minute long.
I want you to pay attention.
This is important.
Understand the why.
Again, why they claim these are peaceful protests by liberal activists that are not.
They need the shock troops out there, and they don't want public opposition against the shock troops.
So despite the fact that the public is viewing videos every day of Antifa, Some BLM activists and radical leftists beating the snot out of people.
They can't have that narrative that they're the violent ones because sane American citizens don't like violence.
So they say what?
Largely peaceful protests.
But they can find no evidence of conservative rallies, violence at conservative rallies.
And don't you dare, by the way, talk about that Charlottesville.
That guy down there?
Don't even.
That's not.
No, no, no, no.
That's not.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
We're not going to fall for that one bit.
You can't find any evidence of conservatives at all.
Engaged in violence at any rallies.
So here's the media gaslighting you again.
So remember, everything when it comes to discussing Trump and the right is going to be about wars, violent overtones.
Here is a montage of the media with Trump's various, quote, wars, even though he's the one calling for law and order and peace in the streets.
This has been going on forever.
Check this out.
Donald Trump's war on elements of his own government.
Trump's war on absentee ballots.
Trump's war on Fauci.
President Trump's war on face masks.
Trump's war on world order.
Donald Trump's war on women.
Trump's war on science.
Trump's war on children.
President Trump's war on the truth.
Trump's war on reality.
Trump's war on institutions.
Donald Trump's war on his own executive branch.
Donald Trump's war on the FBI.
Donald Trump's war on the FBI.
Trump's war on Jeff Sessions.
President Trump's war on Obamacare.
Donald Trump's war on law enforcement.
Trump's war on China.
Trump's war on the whistleblower.
Trump's war on the Freedom Caucus.
President Trump's war on the NFL.
Trump's war on Amazon.
Trump's war on trade.
Donald Trump's war on intel.
Trump's war on the intelligence community.
Trump's war on intelligence.
Donald Trump's war on immigrants.
Trump's war on immigrant labor.
President Trump's war on the press.
President Trump's unprecedented first year war on the media.
Trump's war on the media.
War on the media.
War on the press.
War on the media.
Trump's war on the media.
Coming up in our next hour, Trump's war on the media continues.
Donald Trump's war on justice.
Trump's war on justice.
Donald Trump's war on justice.
Trump's war on the justice system.
President Trump's war on Christmas.
You think that's a mistake?
No.
These persistent never-ending analogies to violence when it comes to conservatives like Donald Trump.
As Joe just said, of course.
No, of course it isn't, ladies and gentlemen.
It's, again, meant to paint a complicated mosaic.
You have a hard time kind of seeing the picture unless you back away.
It's meant to confuse you.
The left aren't the violent ones.
It's the right.
It's these violent conservatives.
Do you have actual evidence of that anywhere?
Conservatives engaging in mass violence at rallies?
Do you have any evidence of that at all?
No, no, we don't.
Okay, thank you.
Of course you don't.
It's the radical leftists.
But everything is flipped.
The script is flipped.
It's this Costanza episode.
Everything is upside down.
By the way, one interesting side note to the Star Star.
I don't mean to be out of order or disjointed with the show in any way.
But Nick Cannon, who I discussed in the beginning of the show for his openly anti-Semitic racist comments, has issued some kind of a Twitter apology, you know, claiming I, you know, spoke, you know, spoke out of turn.
Again, there'll be no long-term consequences for these people at all.
Dwayne Wade as well put out some Twitter apology, the former NBA star.
I didn't realize I was, you know, backing these comments.
I'm not.
I'm walking away from the Indians.
Nothing will happen to them.
But remember, if you're a conservative, And they discover something you said when you were six years old at a pick-and-paint party somewhere, and it's on video.
You are not allowed to apologize for that.
Again, because the rules aren't the rules.
There's no rules at all.
The rules are power.
Power.
Raw, naked power.
How do we get it?
Who's useful for obtaining it?
And when celebrities are useful, they will always be forgiven.
When conservatives need to be politically disposed of, They will be damaged for what they said when they were six at the pick and paint party.
Ridiculous.
By the way, nice job with the free beacon on that montage.
Trump war?
War is not everything!
War is not everything.
They don't talk about the liberal war on, like, people, actual people, bashing them in the head with stuff, as you can see in that video there.
You know what?
I'm glad that you're taking the time to explain this, what this war thing means, how it was done subtly and long-term, because, you know, I don't think people understand it, and I'm glad you were saying what you said.
Nice job.
No, and it, the damage is, you know, is that it works.
I mean, folks, listen, and Joe, you probably understand this as well as anybody.
People are very susceptible.
This, even the smartest, the smartest one, me, folks, me too.
Everyone.
I'm not, I'm not excluding myself from this at all.
Like, gosh, I'm so highbrow.
People are very susceptible.
To the influence of narratives over time.
Amen!
You immerse people in a... I mean, what's the line?
You know, the famous line by, you know, fascist tyrants all over the world.
You know, you repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.
It's very difficult to escape it when you hear it all the time.
Think about the way they discuss conservatives all the time.
Violent, war-like analogies.
Yet when they discuss liberals, it's a peaceful protest.
Wait, there's a guy bashing a guy in the head with a cane.
Remember the Ali Velshi from MSNBC?
The building's burning down behind him.
I'm having a hard time describing this anything other as a peaceful protest.
There's a building burning down.
It all, it sets in.
And that's why, if I may, one more thing, and I'm glad you brought this up.
I don't mean to get distracting, but this is important.
When I ran in Maryland for the U.S.
Senate and I knocked on the doors in largely black communities, what I found fascinating in Prince George's County, which is the wealthiest, largely minority community, one of them in the United States, black families, doctors, architects, pilots, what I found fascinating is many of them were registered Democrats.
I know because you can't tell how they vote, it's a secret ballot, but you can tell how they're registered.
I would knock on the door.
I'd knock on doors anyway.
I didn't care Democrat or Republican.
It was a statewide election.
I had won the primary.
I wanted to talk to people.
And what I was stunned is, as I got into conversations with them, if they didn't ask me my party affiliation, they would typically talk to me, a lot of the voters.
Some would in the minute I said I was a Republican.
But the more I talked, they could not believe, I'm not kidding, how conservative they were.
Social issues, religious issues, abortion, firearm rights, the economy.
And I'd say at the end, I don't understand Why you're a Democrat.
I mean, I'm really, I'm perplexed.
I mean, vote for me or not.
I'm genuinely confused why you're, nothing you're saying is a staple of Democrat party principles.
And I would get the same answer almost every time.
Well, you know, Republicans just don't like us.
And I'd be like, who told you that?
I'm, I'm here.
I'm here now.
Like no Republican, no, no Democrats knocking on your door.
I'm here.
If I didn't like you, why would I be here?
That is the goal of long-term activist media narratives, where they subtly, every single day, wear away your ability to reason until you actually believe this stuff.
And you see it again with the framing of this incident with Nick Cannon, with the framing of the coronavirus.
None of this is based in science.
The framing of Nick, oh, listen, he's apologetic.
All right, I have no problem with redemption.
Christ forgave a murderer on the cross minutes before death.
But that rule doesn't apply to conservatives.
Thanks, bro.
It's a damn shame.
And maybe that's an interesting segue.
Maybe that's why I have this next story from the Washington Times about, are there pockets of air quote, secret Trump voters out there we don't know about?
You know, I'm skeptical of polls.
I want to be clear.
I don't write the polls off.
I don't, I don't write, I never write polls or data points like anything else.
Give me data.
I believe in science and facts.
I just want to see the data and want to see if the data is accurate.
Interesting story in the Washington Times you really should read.
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Washington Times!
Poll shows Biden leading in Pennsylvania, but finds widespread suspicion of "secret Trump voters."
Ladies and gentlemen, I've been suspicious about this for a really long time.
Quick backstory, I was in the gym a little while ago and I was talking to a guy who is a very,
very active Republican. And And he was talking to me about the polls, and he said, you know, I get these calls all the time on my landline from pollsters, and I tell them I'm supporting, and I forget, this is way before, this is before Biden, I think, had even announced.
He's supporting the Democrat.
He lied to him.
Whether you do that or not is up to you.
I'm not judging the guy.
But he seemed to think and was under the impression that if he gave pollsters misinformation, it would benefit Trump.
I don't think that's necessarily true, but...
Paul, remember me telling this story?
I think I told you on the story.
I think I told the story to Joe too on the show.
I was surprised because a lot of Trump voters I think are really convinced if they give pollsters inaccurate information that they'll somehow benefit.
It may, may not.
I don't know.
I'm not judging you for it.
But from the Washington Times piece, this is fascinating.
They did a survey and 57% of registered voters believe that there are a number of so-called secret voters in their community who support Trump but won't tell anyone.
Here's what's interesting, though.
Less than half that number, 27%, believe there are secret voters for Mr. Biden.
Folks, do not gaff this off.
Again, I'm not dismissing polls.
I'm not going to tell you, ignore all the polls.
We're going to win in a landslide.
I don't think that benefits us either.
Polls are data points.
Take them in, digest them, but take them in with a grain of salt and be skeptical.
Skepticism matters.
It's the very essence of science.
But don't you find it fascinating that when you actually ask people in the community, if they believe, hey, there are a bunch of people out here who are gonna vote for Trump but are probably not telling anyone, that nearly 60% of people talking about Trump say yes, but only 27% about Biden.
Why do you think that is?
Folks, in this show, we like to weave stories together.
I constantly go back to what I said.
I tell you what I'm gonna tell you, I tell you, and then I tell you what I told you.
It's the best way to learn things, right?
For me, too.
What did I tell you in the beginning?
It's acceptable amongst the Hollywood elitists, the media elitists, academics, sports celebrities, what we would call pop culture, people who have influence.
It's acceptable, in many cases, sadly, to them, to say openly racist, bigoted, and in the case of the story I opened up with, anti-Semitic things, as long as you come out with a mea culpa a few days later and then everything's A-OK.
It's acceptable if you're a liberal.
Because if you're a liberal, just like a lot of the black voters I spoke to when they knocked on the door, if you vote for them, it's assumed you're a good guy and the Republicans are the ones coming after people.
So even if you screw up and say bad things, you have a higher moral standing in society because you're on the right side of it.
You're not on the right side of it, but you're on the right side of it because pop culture, the media, academics, sports figures, and entertainment figures have told you you're on the right side of it.
None of that's actually true.
It's like telling you 2 plus 2 equals 76 and you believe even though you know it's not true because the media said it.
They put a story out about it.
Now does it make sense why people, when asked by pollsters and others who they're voting for, may say something like, um, I don't know.
I'm considering Biden.
Maybe third party.
Meanwhile, in their head, they're fully committed to President Trump.
Because why?
The media and those other groups I told you about have all of the other neighbors believing, God forbid you're a Republican, you're the one that hates people, despite the fact there's no evidence that it's the liberals doing that.
And you don't want to be judged by your neighbor and you just don't... You know what I'm saying?
You're taking out your garbage and you don't have time for a big argument.
Hey, neighbor!
It's Joey Baganonas.
Hey, Joey!
How are you today, sir?
Hey, I'm just checking.
Who are you voting for in the election?
You think the guy has any time to be called a racist by his neighbor?
The neighbor doesn't know anything.
Often, the neighbor, now my neighbors are smart, but they are, they're good, but neighbors, a lot of these neighbors, they don't know anything.
They've heard on the media, Republicans don't like Blacks, Hispanics, immigrants, or anything else.
They're all false, of course, but they believe it because everybody's told them that.
So who are you voting for?
I don't know, neighbor.
I'm considering Joe Biden.
In his head, he's like, I'm considering Joe Biden.
I'm voting Donald Trump.
He just doesn't want to say anything because he doesn't want to deal with the neighbor in his lecture.
Does that make sense?
Bingo.
Do you think this is an error in the Washington Times?
It's not an error.
The reason people know of a neighbor or someone else who's voting Trump and not saying is because they know the person and the person's probably told them that.
So, you know, you suspect your neighbor while you're taking out the garbage is a Biden guy.
You don't want to get in an argument with him.
Yeah, yeah, maybe vote for Biden.
He's great.
Whatever.
But then you go out to dinner with your conservative friends who actually believe in big art, God-given rights, and judging people by their character.
And you tell them, hey, the neighbor asked me who I vote for.
I didn't want to get in an argument with him, so I just told him Biden.
That's why people are answering this in polls, because they've been told this story by neighbors who are keeping their vote quiet because they don't want to be called a lunatic, an imbecile, or a white supremacist by deranged maniacs in the media who live in George Costanza world from the Seinfeld episode.
Listen, like I said, I'm out of the predictions business, or I'm trying to because it's useless and it doesn't matter.
If I tell you Trump's going to win, I'm afraid it's going to breed apathy.
If I tell you Trump's going to lose, I'm afraid it's going to breed a lot of emails from people like, why are you saying he's going to lose?
I'm not taking a stance on this.
I support him.
I think there's a good chance he could win.
But I'm telling you, take these polls with a healthy degree, a grain of salt this big, and skepticism.
Because I believe it's true that a lot of these people are saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll vote for Biden and don't really mean it.
All right, I want to get to this next clip.
Let me get my final spot.
You want to talk about peak media stupidity.
Katie Turf from MSNBC is just a walking gaffe machine.
I'm going to get to that in a minute, and I'm going to show you, she had this segment on with Tim Murtaugh from the Trump campaign that was so absurd, I had to laugh while doing it.
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So, Katie Turr, who I, you know, Joe, I may have to Change and alter my top 10 dumbest people in media chart because Katie Tur is rapidly creeping up the charts.
You know, Brian Stelter's been number one for a long time.
Chuck Todd's a solid number two.
He was number one for, I think, a week.
Yep, yep.
Cuomo, Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon are probably three and four.
They change spots a lot.
Katie Tur may be number five.
So she was on yesterday with Tim Murtaugh from the Trump campaign and she's trying again, again, this is this is supposed to be a media personality.
She's not.
She's trying to again make the case somehow that this virus discriminates between left-leaning protests And Trump rallies, that somehow the virus knows the difference.
Instead of just saying, maybe it's not a good idea to cram yourself into tight spaces, inside, outside.
She doesn't want to say that because she's a hack.
So she gets on with Tim Murtaugh.
She lectures him, and I want you to, this is great.
Watch out Tim Murtaugh from the Trump campaign.
Watch at the end how he fires back at her, just this subtle kind of sarcastic way.
It's really good.
Check this out.
The president is the only one having indoor rallies or events of that scale in the entire country.
Again, the protests were outdoors.
All of the doctors and health experts say that that is a safer place to hold them.
I attended a number of those rallies.
Everybody was wearing a mask, hand sanitizer.
So then, by that statement then, I would take it that you were at the A.O.
the images of those rallies. People were not wearing masks inside the president's rally.
There was not social distancing being practiced. We saw the signs being removed from seats.
So you can say you handed out sand sanitizer and gave out masks. They weren't wearing them.
And also, Dr. Fauci today has said that the incubation period for this disease could be longer than just two weeks.
So, Tim Murtaugh, thanks so much for joining us.
We appreciate all of your time.
Chuck, over to you.
I appreciate that speech, Katie.
Thank you.
I appreciate that speech, Katie.
Thank you.
Katie Turner, who, I'm not kidding, is one of the silliest, dopiest people in media.
Their liberal mayors are now acknowledging that these outdoor protests were hilariously jumped.
Everybody there was using sanitizer and wearing masks.
They were?
What?
In between burning the buildings down?
What are you talking about?
The liberal mayors are acknowledging, and by the way, even the ones that didn't result in riots, that stayed, some of them did, largely peaceful.
Some of them did.
There is no evidence everyone there was wearing masks and using sanitizer.
Some may have.
I saw the videos too.
What is she talking about?
These liberal mayors themselves are acknowledging that these protests resulted in probably widespread transmission of this virus.
What kind of dopey, silly, even Chuck Todd, the second dumbest guy in media, is sitting there like, what?
Yeah.
This is not a smart person.
Now, just to show you some, here's a Katy Tur classic.
She's on with, I believe it's Philip Bump.
Another genius from the Washington Post.
But he has to correct her on this, because Katie Turr apparently is unaware that in United States Senate races, where everyone in the state eligible to vote can vote, therefore there's no gerrymandering, you can't cut up a state.
Katie wasn't aware of that, so she's wondering how gerrymandering affects Please don't send me an email, by the way.
It's gerrymandering.
I know, Eldridge.
I know.
I know.
Please don't.
No email.
I love my audience, but no email.
I know what it's... People just say gerrymander.
I know.
I get it.
But here's Katie Couture, who seems to think you can gerrymander an entire state.
Check this out.
So what's the resolution to that?
Is gerrymandering something that would help improve the situation?
How does that sort of divide promote consensus in the Senate or even in the House?
Well, I mean, they're the only resolution.
Gerrymandering is not going to do anything because in the Senate we're talking about states, right?
You can't gerrymander states.
The only solution is for Democrats to appeal to voters in those states, right?
This is the genius who thinks that the virus doesn't affect people.
Liberal activists rallies.
She's wondering how gerrymandering is going to affect the state election.
Nice job, Katie.
By the way, if you Google Katie Tord gaffes, you can just scroll through the pages where she didn't understand how taxation worked.
But again, MSNBC will celebrate her.
Double-digit IQ and put her out there as she lectures Tim Murtaugh, who is probably sitting there going, why did I do an interview with this silly person right here?
Unreal.
All right, you see this story?
Legal insurrection, be up in the show notes today.
So again, we're back to dividing people up by race and color and creed, but not us.
No, no, not us.
Not conservatives, libertarians, Republicans, and Democrats who believe in things like the Constitution and big R God-given rights.
We're not doing any of that!
But, let's read this headline.
This is by the great Kimberly Kay at Legal Insurrection.
So who said this?
Signs of whiteness are rugged individualism, the nuclear family, scientific method, and work ethic?
Ehhhhhhhhh.
What?
Um, that would be the National Museum of African American History and Culture.
Who, in case you missed it, put up a handy chart too to show you the characteristics of whiteness.
Uh, this is not a joke.
You know, white culture, the holidays, competitiveness.
These are work ethic.
Ladies and gentlemen, we are living through peak stupid.
This is the National Museum of African American History and Culture.
Telling people out there that if you're competitive, what you believe in science, any of these things, that those are characteristics of whiteness.
Now you may ask yourself again why these liberal far-left organizations, by the way, I believe they get some taxpayer money through the whole Smithsonian network there.
Why are they doing this?
Why are they obsessed with moving back towards segregation, separating people into white and black and Jew and Muslim and woman and man and union and non-union?
Why are they doing this?
Well, I've explained this multiple times and you need to embrace it, because if you don't understand the why, nothing else matters.
They do it because liberals, radical leftists, they can't run on things and gain political power by being open and honest about what they want, because what they want is ridiculously unpopular.
Well, what do they want?
They want your money through high taxes.
They want to control your kids' education through failing, in many cases, crappy public schools.
They want to control your healthcare by making you go through a government bureaucrat to seek permission to stay alive or have your chest cracked open if you're having a heart attack.
They want control, and they want power.
They know that's not popular, but why?
Because, ladies and gentlemen, human beings will always, as a reflection of our God-given Just desire for liberty and freedom will always seek to be free from control of others.
They will.
The left knows that.
So they can never get you to vote for them if they're honest about what they want.
So what they do is they embrace identity politics.
Here are the characteristics of whiteness.
The Jews have the power.
White people are savages.
All of this stuff they want to do.
They want to make sure that they Your allegiance is to a class or group they have set up for you.
Don't let me lose you, because this is an important point.
And I really need you to embrace this.
The left does not want you to identify with things that would give you objective values.
Objective values free from their influence.
God, family.
So they don't want you to identify as a mother, a Christian, anything like that.
They want you to identify with a category they can tell you the Republicans hate.
So if you happen to be a black male, who's a father, and you don't see yourself as a black male, I don't mean look in the mirror and see yourself, I mean you don't, you just don't go about your life that way.
You're an American citizen who's a dad.
You don't walk around every day obsessed with the melanin component of your skin.
They hate that!
Because if they don't get you to believe that first, that that's primarily what you are, you're defined by the melanin component of your skin, then they can't get you to believe that they're protecting you against the evil Republican horde.
Because remember, as we saw in the video clip, Trump's at war with everybody.
War.
War.
War on the minority community.
War on justice.
And who's there to protect you?
The Democrats.
So go full circle.
The Democrats know they can't talk to black men and women or Hispanic men and women reasonably and tell them things like, hey, here's what we support.
Give us your money.
Give us your kids.
Give us your health care system.
And let's terminate life in the womb.
They can't say that because they don't want to vote for them.
So they knock on their door and say, hey, you know, you're black, right?
Yeah, I knew that.
Those Republicans really hate you.
You know, you're an immigrant.
You know, those Republicans, they really hate you.
None of that's actually true.
But if you don't identify with that category first, primarily, they'll be lost and they'll have no message.
That's why they constantly seek out these absurdities and these openly racist things like, here are categories of whiteness.
Ladies and gentlemen, read that chart.
I assure you, if you As a leftist, really believe that competition, science, and the nuclear family are principles that only apply to white people?
You are a hardcore racist.
I am not kidding.
You're not a mild racist.
You're not a dog whistle racist.
Joe, would you agree?
You are a hardcore racist.
Yeah.
I'm not kidding.
Right with you.
I'm not saying that hyperbolically.
If your public position Is that if you're a dad to your kids in a nuclear family, who goes to work and competes and wants to excel in his life, and who believes in science, that you're in fact not black, you're white then.
That's a condition of whiteness only.
You are a serious, hardcore racist.
Who needs hardcore professional help.
How are people, I mean, how are people not seeing this?
Is it not obvious that, again, the melanin component of your skin?
Can I just tell you again a quick story here?
I'm Italian and Irish, ladies and gentlemen, and I'm Italian, Irish, German, and English.
If you want to be, we'll throw the whole thing in there.
I don't identify with any of that.
I'm an American citizen.
I'm a dad.
I'm a husband.
I'm a, you know, commentator.
Those things matter to me.
Not that I don't care about this.
I just, I've never been to Italy.
I love Italians.
They're great.
I just, I don't get into that.
I'm an American citizen.
I'm not a hyphenated American citizen.
I love this country.
Never even been to Italy.
I haven't been to Ireland.
I have been to Germany.
I happen to have relatively dark skin, olive-toned skin, especially out here in Florida where it's 114 degrees on Christmas.
You walk out to get your garbage cans from the front curb.
Wouldn't you agree, Paul?
You're tanned in about two minutes.
Perfectly tanned from white out like white, and you have olive tone right away in Florida.
That sun is powerful.
Why do I bring this up?
Because I got an email once from a Media Matters lunatic.
I'm not kidding.
This Oliver clown, asking me how I identify myself, if I identify myself as black.
What?
What?
No, I'm not kidding.
The guy's a total nutjob.
Oh, dude.
But I didn't answer the email because I'm so stupid.
Do I identify myself?
It goes to show you how ridiculous identifying and judging people by the melanin component of their skin is.
You can't even figure it out yourself.
So blackness versus whiteness is so important to the left, not to us.
So important, and you should judge people by it, yet when you see people, you're not sure which one they are.
Kind of a big miss then, no, Joe, right?
I'm just saying, like, if you misjudge someone, like, if you go online, a lot of people think I'm black.
I'm not.
I'm, again, Italian, German, Irish, and English.
It doesn't matter to me.
They're obsessed with it because they don't know.
They're like, it would do button show.
Wait, wait.
Is he the evil whiteness guy?
Is he the, or is he the good guy minority?
We don't know.
It doesn't matter what I say or do.
They're obsessed.
They had to email me the question.
How do you identify?
How do you identify as a human being?
I thought that's how we were identifying people.
I'm just checking.
No, no, not them.
You're so obsessed with race as the definitive characteristic of who the good guys and the bad guys are, yet you yourself don't know the race of the people you want to define?
Again, kind of a big miss, no?
If you're evil or bad based on your race, like leftists want us to believe, you better damn well get that question right.
Right?
We don't have to ask that question.
Conservatives and libertarians.
And freedom-loving Democrats, if there are any left anymore.
Why don't we have to ask it?
Because we don't care.
It's a meaningless characteristic to us.
It means nothing.
What you do matters.
The left had to ask that question.
You know what?
Hold on.
We're going to do this on a show.
I'm going to try to find this.
You can think I'm making this up.
Hold on a second.
I hope I didn't delete this.
Is he on here?
This would be classic.
If I could find this.
Don't edit any of this out.
I'm not messing with you.
I know who sent me the email.
I may have deleted it.
Let me put it in.
Oliver Media Matters.
I'm not even kidding.
I'll read the actual email.
I may have deleted it because he was such a numbskull.
I didn't even want this guy in my email.
Darn it.
I can't find it.
But I'm telling you it happened.
Oliver Willis, Media Matters, emailed me about how I identify myself as a human being is the answer, which I never answered him because I don't answer those people.
Isn't that how you identify yourself?
Moms, dads, those kind of things.
In other words, ladies and gentlemen, the things that really matter.
Being a mom, being a spouse, being a dad, being a grandmother.
The roles you fill and you see yourself in where you can really make an impact and make the world a better place.
Not the melanin component of your skin as the primary determinant of your life.
They're obsessed with it.
Alright, let me just... Paul, can we go to that Vice story quick?
It's important.
I want to finish off with this today because, folks, I am, again, one of the owners of Parler.
I have to say that just out of fair disclosure to my audience, which is a competitor to Twitter, Facebook, and elsewhere.
But Twitter had a major meltdown yesterday, folks.
I thought the security was a little better there at Twitter, in case you missed it.
Major League accounts, I'm not talking about baseball, I'm talking about people with huge followings, were hacked into yesterday.
Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Elon Musk, and others.
And they put a Bitcoin account up and they basically got money from people.
Here's a vice story.
Hackers convinced Twitter employee to help them hijack accounts.
Wait, what?
Parlor was okay yesterday.
I just want that on the record.
Now, if you were a blue check mark account on Twitter, for those of you, not social media savvy, a blue check mark next to your name means I have one.
So I'm always careful how I talk about it.
Cause either way you sound like a jerk, but it means you have somewhat of a following and they give you a blue check mark to make sure people don't impersonate you.
That's why.
We have a verification process on Parler as well.
So if you had a blue check mark, which probably means you have a pretty decent following too, Twitter, in response to this hack, shut down all blue check marks from posting for about two hours.
I was shut out.
Wasn't shut out of Parler.
Parler was A-OK, which was good.
But folks, from this Vice story, it's fascinating.
How much power do these people have?
Quote, on Wednesday, the accounts of Joe Biden, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Barack Obama, Uber, and Apple tweeted cryptocurrency scams and an apparent hack?
What did we miss?
We used a rep, this is a quote, this is the people who hacked into it.
They told Vice, we used a rep that literally done all the work for us, one of the sources told Motherboard.
The second source added, excuse me, they told Motherboard that, the second source added they paid the Twitter insider.
Motherboard granted the sources anonymity to speak candidly about a security incident.
Twitter says they're still investigating whether the employee hijacked the accounts themselves or gave hackers access to the tool.
Folks, how much power do Twitter insiders have?
This is a serious question.
I get it.
Again, I'm a part owner of a competitor, but I say this with as much objectivity as I can.
How much power do Twitter insiders have?
Joe, can I just pitch you a hypothetical before we wrap the show for today?
Certainly, Dan.
So a Twitter insider had enough access to either sell his access to these high-profile accounts or have his account hijacked, and people posted on behalf of Joe Biden and Barack Obama.
You probably see where I'm going with this.
Does a Twitter insider have the ability to then go into Donald Trump's account?
Yes, which was already canceled by Twitter.
Remember that?
Remember that incident a while ago and they had to reinstate it?
What if they were to post something like, hey, Russia, heads up, there's a few nukes coming your way.
I'm just asking, like, what kind of power are these?
Do you understand the power of Twitter?
It's one of the reasons we started Parler, because their power is almost monopolistic.
Well, those same leaders could go out on Parler accounts and say, hey, what just happened over on Twitter or Facebook or whatever, to be fair to other social media accounts.
And say, hey, that's not us, we are not bombing Russia as we speak.
I think Twitter needs to do some serious soul searching, and we will too.
But just keep in mind, at Parler, all the user verification data you provide, we delete all that.
We only keep your selfie, we don't keep any of your stuff.
We don't data mine, we don't do any of that.
Because we don't want to be responsible for your data, we're not.
These other companies out there are selling your data.
This is dangerous stuff.
It's a serious question.
Hey China, we're going to war tomorrow.
Can you imagine someone posting that on a Twitter account?
Serious questions.
All right, folks, I will be on The Five today.
If you want to check it out, I'll be co-hosting The Five at five o'clock on the Fox News channel.
If you want to check that out, should be a lot of fun.
So don't miss that.
I don't know who's in today.
It's always a little spicy when I'm there.
You know how I feel about getting into it with the tussling with the libs a little bit.
Thanks again for tuning in.
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