In this episode I address the real collusion scandal in the 2016 election. It involves political players from both parties and Ukraine. I also address the media’s efforts to silence criticism of McCain associate David Kramer’s role in the distribution of the dirty dossier. Finally, I address competing election models which predict a Trump landslide and a tough re-election.
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Uh getting to it uh so John Solomon last night on Hannity uh he comes out and uh describes the scandal we've been describing for a long time that's uh at length described in my book Spygate about the Ukrainian involvement in the election to help Hillary Clinton.
Folks we've been talking about this forever and can I just say on a side note there's some Lunatic out there.
I'm not even going to give this guy a time of day because he's so crazy.
I'm afraid he might show up in my community outside my door.
He's so nuts.
But he does these weirdo periscopes.
He literally works for the Russians.
He keeps insisting that somehow we never discuss this Ukrainian scandal as if my book Joe doesn't exist where you can actually read it.
Like, in the book.
But that would require you to... I don't know if he can read, actually.
But he probably can.
He may need it dictated to him.
But we've been talking about the Ukrainian side of this forever.
Like, since the beginning.
Have we not, Joe?
Yeah, man.
You are the producer for the show, right?
Yeah.
Dude, listen to the show, will ya?
Go back in the archives.
check it out. He does exactly, thank you, but he's a lunatic.
So, but Solomon is not, John Solomon's a very good reporter and last night he finally came out and
dropped the bomb that there may be a tape out there, a tape of Lucretia, an actual tape like
Joe in the collusion thing what's been missing the entire time?
The collusion hoax against Trump.
Evidence!
There's no actual evidence it happened.
So, the Ukrainians' effort in the election to help Hillary Clinton, now there's an ongoing criminal prosecution in Ukraine against people who may have tried to intercede, interfere, excuse me, with our election.
There may be an actual tape out there.
So, John Solomon has this piece up in the hill.
Paulo, put it up on the screen.
And he went on Hannity last night to talk about it.
Ladies and gentlemen, there is an actual criminal prosecution ongoing right now in Ukraine about Ukrainians who were embedding themselves in our election trying to help who?
Hillary Clinton.
Sounds to me like foreign collusion.
Here is a snippet from John Solomon's piece that I want to, I'm going to, it's in the show notes, by the way, please read it.
It's short.
It's to the point.
It's in the show notes at bongino.com attached to today's podcast.
If you just click on the podcast link in the menu on my website.
Solomon in his interview on Hill TV, he's talking to this guy Lutsenko, who is the equivalent of the Attorney General in Ukraine.
He's the Prosecutor General.
So Solomon asked Lutsenko about reports that a member of Ukraine's parliament obtained a tape Of the current head of this National Corruption Bureau saying that he was attempting to help Clinton win the 2016 election as well as connections that helped release the black ledger files that exposed Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort's wrongdoing in Ukraine.
Quote, this member of parliament even attached the audio tape where several men, one of which had a voice similar to the voice of Mr. Cynthia, discussed the matter.
Whoa.
Folks.
We have been discussing Ukrainian involvement in this thing for eons.
Their connection to Alexandra Chalupa, a DNC operative who left their post at the DNC, was having meetings with Ukrainian officials where she's bringing along a reporter and Mike Elizakov.
The Ukrainians, some components of the Ukrainian government, were clearly in the tank for Hillary Clinton, were colluding with known Democrats and media officials, and we now have an alleged tape out there Which, oh boy, we gotta hear that tape.
Of Ukrainians putting out the infamous Black Ledger.
For those of you who don't remember what the Black Ledger was, this is an important part of the case.
This is where the whole Paul Manafort thing starts.
Manafort is working on behalf of a Ukrainian, the former Ukrainian head of state, Yanukovych.
It's alleged in this ledger that there were cash payments upwards of 10 to 12 million dollars made to Manafort.
And these payments were documented, these illicit payments, Joe, in a ledger.
It's become known as the Black Ledger.
No one has seen, though, this Black Ledger to date, and we're not sure these payments actually exist.
But the allegations of these illicit payments to Manafort are what started the whole anti-Manafort thing.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is like the greatest spy story ever told, except the story's full of idiots and political morons.
But it is a fascinating story, because the whole time we've been told what?
The Russians colluded to help Donald Trump.
That story is a hoax.
It has always been a hoax.
The Russians do not like us.
They are not our friends.
I don't work for the Russians like that other goofball.
The Russians are not our friends.
The Russians would get involved in an election in a heartbeat if they thought they could overturn the results of it just to make the country eat itself alive.
They'll try to interfere however they can, I have no doubt.
But Russian collusion with the Trump team is a hoax.
Yet Ukrainian collusion with the Democrats is looking not only more likely, but more certain every single day.
Now, here's where it gets good, folks.
You have to understand the background of this and why this story is so devastating to Democrats.
So again, let's not bury the lead.
I like to put the lead out at the start.
Solomon now drops this bombshell last night, this piece, that there may be a tape out there of foreigners in Ukraine talking about how they're going to damage Manafort to help Hillary Clinton.
About these black ledger payments that may or may not exist.
Everybody copy that?
Copy.
That is the very definition of collusion.
Period.
This is one of the stories, Joe, that they want desperately to go away.
Now, there's a backstory to this.
You have to understand why the Russian collusion narrative served as a cute distraction from the Ukrainian involvement in our election to help Hillary.
Paula, if you don't mind, put up that headline from Politico.
This is a story that goes all the way back to 2009.
This is what we do on this show.
I think you're going to have a hard time finding elsewhere.
It's a story by Ken Vogel and Ben Smith in Politico back in 2009.
The headline of the Politico piece, Obama Consultants Land Abroad.
Where are they landing, Joe?
Well, I'll read the first paragraph.
Keep that up, Paula.
You can watch it on our YouTube, by the way.
If you want to see the video, youtube.com slash Bongino.
Check it out.
All these headlines will be up there for you.
If not, you can read them in our show notes.
In Kiev and Kharkiv and other cities in Ukraine, American political consultants who worked against
one another in Iowa and New Hampshire and then in the general election are facing off again in
somewhat surreal Eastern European replay of the 2008 campaign.
Joe, you see where I'm going with this?
Ladies and gentlemen, who was on one side back in 2009 of a political fight in Ukraine?
One side was Manafort.
I am not apologizing for Manafort.
He's already pled guilty to some pretty nasty stuff.
I don't know Manafort.
I've never met Manafort.
Manafort clearly should have handled this business a little differently.
But let's not gloss over the fact that what Manafort's alleged to have done with his violation of FARA, the Foreign Agency Registry Act, Joe, where he's alleged to be lobbying on behalf of Ukrainian officials without registering as a foreign agent representative, right?
That's what FARA is.
Who was on the other side of that?
Lobbying on behalf of foreign agents?
Paula, can you put up that headline again?
Obama Consultants Land Abroad!
So whereas Manafort was working for Ukrainian Yanukovych, Clinton people were working for Tim Yashchenko, and Obama consultants were working for Yushchenko.
All opponents in over a course of time in Ukraine of Manafort's guy Yanukovych.
Folks, This head-butting, that was me smashing my knuckles together there, this head-butting, knuckle-smashing that was done, started a long time ago.
This Ukrainian involvement, and our involvement in Ukraine, goes all the way back, it goes pre-2008.
But the fight between Obama people, who were loyal to one side in Ukraine, and Manafort and others who were loyal to the other side, and Democrats by the way.
The Podesta people were involved with Manafort's side.
Tells you, Joe, what?
That this is not partisan.
This is swamp piggery.
This is U.S.
political consultants getting rich off foreign international strife in Ukraine and hiding behind it in an effort to distract you by pointing to, hey, look, Trump colluded with the Russians.
Pay no attention to what happened in Ukraine.
Why do they not want you to see what happened in Ukraine?
Because Obama and Clinton people were involved, too.
Hillary Clinton's pollster, if you read that political piece, was over there in Ukraine.
Folks, this has been going on forever.
This is the real story.
Now, the fact that the Ukrainians, who were likely aligned with the Clinton-Obama sphere, who involved themselves in the Ukrainian election, these Obama people, were probably paying back some kind of favor by feeding to the U.S.
government information on Manafort about these payments that may or may not have been made in an effort to help who?
Hillary Clinton!
That's the real foreign collusion story, folks.
Now what else are they hiding?
This is why I'm telling you, my second book's gonna blow your mind.
Because Connections came after the publication of my first book.
Connections became more transparent.
This Ukrainian angle to the story.
Again, we gotta be crystal clear.
The real collusion story, not Russia, it's Ukraine.
And the real collusion story is that Ukrainian officials tried to help Hillary and damage Trump.
And there may, may be a tape now.
Oh, we need to see this tape.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
But the part I was getting to about SpyGay2 is there are connections and motivations people had that weren't clear at the time that are now crystal clear.
Joe, who else was knee-deep in Ukraine?
So now we know Obama consultants were working there.
We know Hillary's pollsters and consultants were working against Manafort, who's working there.
Manafort's working with Podesta, with John Podesta's brother.
Hillary Clinton's right-hand man's brother is working with Manafort against other Clinton pollsters.
Why?
I'm rubbing my fingers together.
Money!
Cha-ching!
Yeah!
Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
Who can get over to Ukraine fast enough and cash out That's why I get really annoyed, folks.
I'll finish my point in a second, but this is important.
That's why I get really annoyed when people who read the first book or people who tweet to me who are liberal lunatic goons, who actually didn't read the book, they just comment on it.
They're like, what do you think, Republicans weren't involved in this?
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm the one exposing all this!
I'm the one, I haven't even gotten yet to, I'm going to get to next, the David Kramer angle and why criticism of McCain and his staff's involvement in Spygate is totally legitimate.
God rest the man's soul.
It is not speaking ill of the dead to put out facts, Joe, so this doesn't happen again.
I'll get to that in a second.
But Joe, have we not been all over the fact that the involvement of key Republicans in this was from the inception of the collusion hoax?
Did you not read the book?
Have you not listened to the show ever?
I'm sorry, I don't mean to be whiny.
I'm in a good mood.
I just get upset because it bothers me personally because I don't have a thick skin.
I may sometimes appear that way, but I really don't.
I've done a lot of good investigative work on this in conjunction with DC McAllister and Matt and other researchers I'm working with and sources of mine.
And it indicates that there's been heavy Republican involvement, which we have gladly reported on, to out who, Joe?
The swamp.
We're not protecting anybody here.
This effort by the Ukrainians was clearly an effort to align with U.S.
politically connected figures, which some Ukrainians in turn paid back the favor in the Trump election.
That's the real collusion story.
Now, getting back to my point, Spygate 2, one of the connections we're going to make here is the Biden clown, the Biden, the Biden crew, excuse me.
Yeah.
The Biden clown.
I almost slipped there.
That was like a legitimate slip.
The Biden crew.
Joe Biden and by the way there's an old Breitbart piece from a couple weeks ago that came out that Biden's now Joe Biden who's going to announce a run for president any day Joe.
Biden is starting to panic now because he's starting to realize that his son Hunter, his son Hunter's connections to both China where Peter Schweitzer was on with Laura Ingraham last night describing some of his Chinese connections that are suspicious but one of the things we've been highlighting extensively on this show is who else is tied to Ukraine.
Now we have Obama consultants, Clinton consultants tied to Ukraine, Podesta, Manafort all cleaning up in Ukraine.
We also have big lunch bucket Joe's son, Hunter, who right after a trip back in April, April 14th, when Joe Biden is the VP, His son, Hunter, conveniently gets a position, Joe, on the largest natural gas company in Ukraine, a company called Burisma.
How about that?
Conveniently gets that nice sweet board position on this Ukrainian gas company right after Joe Biden visits Ukraine.
My, my, my.
Any conflict of interest there?
You think?
You think?
Folks, the real story they're trying to hide is Ukraine.
I believe this is why they had to shut Manafort up.
You understand, Joe, that if you follow my show, I've discussed these three buckets, right?
Plan A, the unmaskings, and the misuse of the NSA database to spy on the Trump team.
Plan B, when Plan A was exposed by Mike Rogers.
Plan B was the use of the FISA court to legally spy on the Trump team.
Unethically and immorally, but use the legal system through the FISA court to spy on the Trump team.
Plan C took effect when Trump won the election unexpectedly and they thought they would be exposed.
The appointment of Mueller was clearly, clearly at this point, an effort to keep the attention off the bad stuff that happened in the Obama years, and keep the attention on Trump.
If you understand those three plans, you understand why Mueller felt the need to prosecute Manafort so viciously.
Early morning raids and all this other stuff.
Because Joe, who understands the Ukrainian involvement of Hunter Biden, of Obama's people, and of Clinton people in Ukraine better than anyone?
Manafort!
Manafort does!
Because he was on the other side of this, actually working with relatives of Clinton people.
Manafort had to be shut down.
He could talk about and expose this whole thing.
You may say, well, why prosecute him?
He'll get out of jail sometime and write a book.
It doesn't matter.
The statute of limitations in our heads will be long gone by then.
They needed to shut this down so there was no immediate call, once Manafort came out and talked about this, for exposing all of these people who colluded in the election in Ukraine to help Mrs. Clinton here.
Folks, this is devastating stuff.
And just to be clear, read the piece by Solomon because what he said last night was really profound.
He indicated last night there is a tape out there.
I don't know if he's heard it.
It was a little unclear when he said if he'd heard the tape.
He seemed to hedge a bit, and I'm not sure, so I'm not going to put my show's credibility on the line.
That's up for John to clear up himself.
But there's no question he indicated that there's a tape out there of people on a recording, Ukrainian officials, talking about how they're going to impact the election negatively for Trump to help Hillary Clinton.
We also know that Nellie Orr, Fusion GPS employee, was working for Mrs. Clinton.
We know Nellie Orr was one of her, she's indicated in sworn testimony, one of Fusion GPS's sources for their negative information on Trump was a Ukrainian lawmaker by the name of Sergei Lyshenko.
Folks, the Ukrainian collusion story is the story.
There is no Russian collusion story.
It is a hoax.
The whole appointment of Bob Mueller to advance this thing is additional proof that they're trying to distract you with stupid.
There is no collusion evidence.
Yet there's tons of evidence of Ukrainian collusion.
Alright, I want to move on because this McCain thing has gotten entirely out of control and it's gotten away from facts and into personal stuff that's not even necessary at this point.
I'm gonna get to that in a second.
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All right, so moving on.
So this story in the news the last few days, because Trump has gone after McCain, John McCain.
And listen, ladies and gentlemen, I'm not going to get into any of the personal stuff between the two.
It's clear that McCain has now since passed, obviously.
I don't care.
I don't know McCain.
I never met him.
He never did anything for me in my elections.
I have no allegiance here on the issue to either side.
I have an allegiance to the facts.
But I will say this, Joe.
Criticism of McCain's role and his associate David Kramer in the distribution of the dossier, ladies and gentlemen, is entirely legitimate.
And I don't care what anybody tells you, I'm not going to be forced into your groupthink and your nonsense far-left talking points.
Because by the way, the media... Joe, remember when McCain ran for president against Obama?
The media hated John McCain.
Called him a racist.
I mean, they put pictures of him on magazines with bad lighting that made him look like the devil incarnate.
So, you know, hard pass on the media's defense of McCain because the media were the ones attacking McCain when I was the one out there campaigning for him and voting for him.
So please, give me a break.
Not total garbage.
Well, I couldn't campaign for him at the time.
It was my Secret Service days.
But I did vote for him, and that was actually what spurred me, that loss, to get involved later on in politics.
Because I couldn't believe Obama had gotten elected at the time with all the stuff he was putting out there.
It was just amazing.
Ladies and gentlemen, here are the facts about why this is... I'm being candid with you.
There are a lot of people in the cable news environment out there that are getting this story wrong.
The reason McCain's involvement in this is so devastating is because his associate, David Kramer, the one who was pushing this show, It's his connections to the media that are the problem.
Don't screw this up.
Let me explain to you.
Yeah, here's a piece by the Daily Caller, Chuck Ross, hat tip Chuck Ross, really good piece.
It's an older one from a few days ago, but it's very good.
John McCain associated contact with a dozen reporters regarding the Steele dossier.
I'm gonna go through some snippets from these pieces in a moment, but this is why you have to get the facts straight.
Why McCain and his associate?
It's not that they passed it to the FBI.
Now you may say the dossier.
I'm talking about the dossier.
Just to be clear, in case you're in the background, McCain gets a copy of the dossier and we know, according to the testimony of Bill Price at the FBI, we know this for a fact.
We know in December McCain hands a copy of the dossier to the FBI.
Ladies and gentlemen, that's a fact.
That's not in question.
The FBI has already admitted it.
McCain's people have admitted it.
It's not a mystery.
Now, that's untoward Joe, wouldn't you agree?
I mean a dirty dossier, you got a senator in his own party.
Instead of confronting Trump about it, which McCain should have done, because it was a political oppo document, what does he do?
He gives it to the FBI.
That's bad enough, but I gotta be honest with you folks.
I have a problem with it.
I have an ethical and moral issue with it.
He should have confronted Trump first about it and figured out it was a political hit job and it wasn't a real document.
But him giving it to the FBI?
All right, whatever.
I mean, some McCain defenders are like, well, you know, John McCain was unsure of the veracity of the document show, so he handed it off to the FBI to verify it.
Again, I don't buy that.
I think it was political motivations because he didn't like Trump.
But I understand.
I get it.
I'm not forgiving it.
Please don't email me.
I'm not apologizing.
I just said to you, I don't agree with that approach.
I think it was unethical and immoral.
I get the attack line they're taking.
You see what I'm saying?
I'm trying to give you both sides so you have a more robust argument when you argue with your liberal friends because this is what they're going to say.
They're going to say to you, well McCain couldn't vary.
He's not an investigator.
He was a senator.
He gave it to the FBI.
Stipulated.
Fine.
I don't agree with it.
I give you that.
That's not the problem.
The problem is they gave it to the media.
That's where the talking head environment, you're missing the point.
The point is not the FBI because you're giving the left an out.
Well, the FBI was going to investigate it.
Fine.
Well, why did they give it to the media?
Have you explained that?
So you're telling the media was going to investigate?
I thought you said the FBI was going to.
So if McCain was so sure, Joe, you see where I'm going with this?
That the FBI was going to investigate it, then why does your associate then hand it off to the media?
You just said you needed it investigated because you weren't sure it was true.
So if you're not sure it's true, why are you giving it to the media?
Well, why nobody is calling out the left on this and the RINO defenders of McCain?
I'll give you an example.
I saw Jamie Weinstein, who candidly I can't stand.
This guy is like the biggest snuggie wearing snowflake I've ever seen.
I can't stand this kid, really.
I used to run into him at a studio down here.
He pretends to be a Republican.
He's really just a big phony who attacks people on the left.
He's a total fraud.
But he's one of these guys on Twitter.
Well, what do you want McCain to do?
He passed it off to the FBI.
Well, I don't want his associate to pass it off to the media, too.
I thought you just said he passed it off to the FBI because it wasn't verified.
So you're passing off unverified information about the Republican nominee for president.
In that case, the winner of the election in December.
Unverified information to the media despite the fact that you just said you passed it to the FBI because it was unverified.
Can you explain that?
No, of course you can't, because you're an idiot.
What's he doing back there?
I was going to respond that it's dope, but I'm like, you know what?
I'm not even going to tweet back because it's so stupid.
These guys are so desperate to protect the swamp.
Republicans too.
Oh, you don't want to talk about Ukraine because they're Republican consultants.
No, I do want to talk about Ukraine.
I want to talk about the people who took the money in Ukraine and people who knew about it.
That's what I want to talk about.
I don't care who they are.
Who then had favors paid back later for Mrs. Clinton because they were working on behalf of other people in Ukraine.
I want to talk about this too.
Let me read from the Chuck Ross piece in the Daily Caller.
Here's a quote.
David Kramer, who by the way is a known McCain associate, a former State Department official, said in a deposition on December 13th of 2017, listen to this.
That he provided a copy of Christopher Steele's dossier to reporters from McClatchy, NPR, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, BuzzFeed, and CNN's Carl Bernstein.
Oh, this is where it gets really sweet.
He also shared the report with State Department official Victoria Nuland.
By the way, hold on, keep that up, Paula.
A known Clinton acolyte, back to the quote, an Obama National Security Council official, Celeste Wallander, an Illinois GOP rep, Adam Kinzinger, a known rhino.
So what is it?
Did David Kramer, the McCain associate, give it to the FBI because it was unverified?
And if he did, why is he passing off unverified information to Obama State Department officials who are Clinton bootlickers like Victoria Nuland, Obama national security officials, and media people who are clearly leaning to the left with the one exception of the Wall Street Journal?
Anyone?
Buehler?
Buehler?
Anyone have an explanation for that?
It is perfectly fair and entirely legitimate to criticize David Kramer's role in advancing what we now know to be a hoax dossier that was used to spy on what we now know are innocent American citizens.
How do we know?
Because it was used to spy on Carter Page and the Trump team, Joe, and Carter Page has never been charged with even one crime involved in this.
Explain to me again why this isn't fair.
Now, in my first book, The Spy Game, which is still out now, it just came out a little while ago, you can read in detail, a hat tip to Denise, who did a lot of good research on this, by the way, in detail, and Matt, John McCain's staff and their role in this.
We cover this extensively.
Extensively.
This is not new news.
And again, I just want to say one last time, I don't agree with his decision to give it to the FBI, but if that's the liberal take, while he was just verifying it, okay, then explain to me why he gave it to Obama State Department people, Obama National Security people, and liberal media outlets too, if it was unverified.
No, no, no, it was verified.
It wasn't.
It's never been verified.
You're lying.
And you just said you gave it to the FBI because it was unverified.
If you knew it was verified, why would you give it to the FBI?
To verify it?
You understand how they can't possibly circle their way out of this?
I don't blame Trump one iota for being fired up about this.
I've got a couple more of this I want to get to, but just one quick thing on Trump and why he's so infuriated, rightfully so, about this whole thing, folks.
Put yourself in the man's shoes.
Imagine Joe, right?
Joe runs for president, he wins.
He finds out later that it's alleged he colluded with the Russians.
Joe knows for a fact he didn't.
Matter of fact, he's confused about what you're even talking about because he doesn't know what you're... because it didn't happen.
He finds out later, Joe, that me, an associate and a friend of his, Dan Bongino, took a filthy dossier about A peepee tape about Joe that doesn't exist and gave it to the, Joe's up in Maryland, the Maryland State Police to investigate.
How could you do this?
And while doing that, how could you do this to Joe?
Joe, I'm supposed to be a political ally of Joe, McCain's a Republican, Trump's a Republican, right?
You then find out that I took this dossier on Joe I had, even though I'm his friend, and I not only gave it to the Maryland State Police to investigate, But I gave it to the Baltimore Sun, the Annapolis Gazette, and other local papers to run stories on to make sure Joe was humiliated despite the fact that Joe did nothing wrong.
Yes, Joe, you'd be quite upset.
Yeah, you think?
You think?
A little bit.
And now I love it that the media that hated John McCain called him a racist.
You know, he hated old people.
John McCain was gonna, you know, kill puppies and kittens.
I mean, they were savage to John McCain, while people like Joe and I were actually voting for him, by the way.
So don't give me your crap, like this isn't fair game for us.
The same media people that savaged McCain are now like, it is totally off limits for Trump to confront McCain.
Listen, you gotta beef with the personal stuff, fine.
But McCain and his people, God rest the man's soul, and his service to the country, had a key role in the distribution of a hoax document used to spy on an innocent American citizen.
That does not change because he's left us.
None of it does.
And the only way to stop this from happening again is to find out who in each party, regardless of your political affiliation, was involved in this scheme.
And I'm not letting it go.
I'm not going to be pressured into letting it go.
And I don't care about your group thing.
On that, frankly, or anything else.
And one more thing on this, for those of you totally... Paul is like, please don't go here, I can tell.
For those of you who've been emailing me about another situation, and you think, you don't know, and I'm sorry, I don't like to criticize, I love my listeners, but I've been getting some emails about it, and you know what I'm talking about.
You don't know the backstory.
Joe knows what I'm talking about.
When you find out another day, it'll make a world of sense.
Don't ever email me about criticizing my integrity on stuff when you don't know the story.
Sorry, but it's just... I know my wife's gonna be like, why'd you... Because I have to.
I'm getting tired of this stuff.
Folks, you matter to me.
We have come on this air and we've tried repeatedly to get the truth out there.
The story matters.
The truth has not always been convenient.
The truth has been damaging to Republicans sometimes too.
And it bothers me when I get emails from people who somehow think they know the backstory and they don't, and they're questioning, like, our allegiance to the truth.
Like, oh my gosh, are you guys obedient to your corporate masters?
Really, Joe?
We have corporate masters?
Did you know about that?
No.
I'm a bit unsure about that.
You don't know what's going on.
That's the problem.
That's what bothers me about it.
All right, moving on.
I'm sorry.
I'm really salty today because I'm not, I'm in a good mood, but I'm just, I get bothered by all these constant attacks on nonsense.
I know we shouldn't even give it airtime, but I have to.
Okay, moving on.
This is another quote from the Chuck Ross piece at the Daily Caller showing you how bad this really was, the involvement of Kramer and McCain associate David Kramer in the propagation of the dossier throughout the media.
Quote.
I met with Mr. Bernstein, Paula highlighted this for us, at Mr. Steele's request!
And I believe Mr. Bernstein had been in touch with Mr. Steele, and so Mr. Steele asked me if I would meet with him and talk with him about it.
Since Bernstein was in the U.S.
and Steele was in London, said Kramer, who was an executive at the McCain Institute.
Keep that up a second.
I met with Mr. Bernstein at Mr. Steele's request.
Again.
John McCain's associate, David Kramer, an executive at the McCain Institute, meets with Carl Bernstein.
Remember Carl Bernstein of Watergate fame?
A reporter at Christopher Steele.
Christopher Steele's request, the producer of the dirty dossier.
So again, explain to me, I'd like you to explain to me with a straight face, Please?
How we shouldn't address that?
It's now off limits because McCain's, uh, we've lost McCain?
Again, I, I, you know, I, I don't, it's, it's, you don't want to speak ill of the dead.
It's not my goal here.
It's not my goal to add to anybody's pain.
Um, it's not, but ladies and gentlemen, this is a serious scandal.
And the fact that an associate of a United States Senator at the time, Was meeting with the FBI, the State Department under Obama, Obama National Security Officials, and then passing off information to Watergate guy, Carl Bernstein, at the request of a guy who produced the hoax dossier, Christopher Steele, is kind of a story, is it not?
Yeah, yeah.
Again, I'm still unsure why this is off-limits.
Oh, because the media said so.
I'd give it the double-barreled middle finger if it wasn't a family-friendly show right now.
I don't care.
I'm not interested in the media's opinion on it.
I'm interested in what happened.
This is Kramer's own words I'm giving you.
What, we're not allowed to use that?
We're not allowed to use McCain's associate, David Kramer, his own words now?
Because the media said so?
BS.
Hardcore BS.
Salty show today, folks.
Salty.
Yes, sir.
I'm actually in a good mood.
I am.
I keep saying it because I am.
I just, um, yeah.
All right.
You know, you, you see the show and they think the show has been so successful, scars and all, because I don't hide anything.
And, you know, I don't pretend, you know, ah, pretend you got to let it roll off.
People email me sometimes, don't give these people airtime.
No, sometimes they need it.
You know, I'm just a guy and I'm going to defend myself and my reputation no matter what.
And even to listeners sometimes, you know, this matters to me.
It's never about the money.
Joe, we worked for free for what, like three years?
Oh man, a long time.
Joe worked for free forever, poor guy.
Oh boy.
By the way, for those who've been emailing me about my health, given that I had two surgeries in two weeks, I'm doing okay.
Here's a little for the YouTube.
You see that?
I'm only having one problem.
That little, that's a bruise there.
You see that?
That big, that's a bruise.
That's not the shadow.
That cut on my inner arm that they took out those fatty tumors is having a tough time healing.
That's the only one.
But other than that, I'm doing okay, folks.
So thank you for all your concern.
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Yes!
I'm putting these back.
They usually do it after the show, but then they sit there and float around.
For those of you watching again on YouTube, youtube.com slash Bongino, you'll see what I mean.
This isn't like your normal show.
You know, it's just not.
It reminds me of my old NRA TV show where they were like, Hey, you think you want to use a teleprompter?
I'm like, nah, I'll just do it out of my head.
They're like, no one does a show like that out of their heads.
I'm like, no, I do.
So I did a 30 minute show out of my head every day with like a little bit of piece of paper in front of me.
I loved it.
It was the greatest thing ever.
All right, moving on.
So, interesting piece up at Politico, which you'll rarely hear me say that.
They don't call it bull, they go for nothing.
I'll say.
But Politico, once in a while, will find a diamond in the rough.
They have a piece out about an economic model they use to predict elections, and I want to contrast it with another piece I saw at the Washington Examiner doing my show preparation this morning.
Joe, they have this economic model for elections.
And the economic model, here's a snippet from the piece.
The model's by a guy by the name of Luskin.
It says, Luskin's current model, which looks at GDP growth, gas prices, inflation, disposable income, tax burden, and payrolls, has Trump winning re-election by a blowout margin of 294 electable votes.
This is pretty crazy stuff, right?
Yeah.
So, I don't mean crazy he's going to be re-elected.
I just mean that this economic model, the way it is now, you would think Trump was in deep peril by the way they're talking about Trump, the media, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump's in trouble, Trump this, Trump that.
This model has him winning by a very handy margin.
Now, I only bring stuff up if I feel like I have some color commentary to add to it and angle.
I saw an interesting contrast with this piece this morning.
So just to be clear what the lead is, this model this guy Luskin's used in the past to predict elections indicate Trump is going to win re-election in a route.
But then Michael Barone had an interesting piece up with the Washington Examiner.
And the gist of this piece that Michael Barone wrote, it's in the show notes today, I encourage you to read it, is that what's old is now new again.
In other words, the title of the piece is Old Political Rules of Thumb Are Yielding to Even Older Ones by Michael Barone, March 20th, 2019, Washington Examiner.
What he's saying, Joe, in the piece, and he doesn't connect it to this Politico piece at all.
I'm just making the connection myself.
Is that a lot of these models that use basically the economy and other things to predict the election may be now in fact wrong because we're back to pre-depression, pre-World War II type involvement in politics.
Let me explain that.
I know that sounded confusing.
So the political guys are saying if you follow the new rules when the economy's good, Trump should be re-elected.
Barone is saying, yeah, that may have worked after the depression era and the World War II era, but if you look at politics before that, people strongly aligned with that partisan label, Republican or Democrat, regardless of the economy or anything else.
In other words, the rules about the economic models, throw them out the window, we're going back to the old days again.
You tracking me, Joe?
It's important to understand the difference.
Now, read the Barone piece because it's fascinating.
Sorry, my elbow's a little sore.
You probably see me moving on the YouTube rather gently.
Sorry about that.
Barone is suggesting that the Depression and the World War II changed everything, that the Depression was so traumatizing for people who lived through it, which is true.
My grandmother, who's still alive, gosh, you ever get her going about it.
I'm sure, Joe, you heard from people in your life, too, the Depression was just a, Deeply, psychologically traumatizing event for people in lives with the worst, you know, economic depression in American history.
It was a traumatizing event.
People remember government food lines and everything.
That people, it so frightened them, Joe, that it realigned politics.
That anybody they felt after that, from either party that could get them out of this and protect them against it, that was their guy no matter what.
So, in other words, Joe, you had Republicans who voted for FDR.
He won in landslides.
I mean, upwards of 60% of the vote in some of his elections.
Because people just didn't want to go back to the Depression.
They really didn't care.
You get what I'm saying, Joe?
If the economy was, if we were, even though, Folks, this is not an economic show today.
FDR prolonged the depression.
I just want to be clear.
I'm not crediting FDR.
So again, I know I'm going to get a hundred emails on it.
I am not crediting FDR.
He prolonged the depression.
He made it worse.
But having said that, when we got out of it, some people didn't make the connection.
And even though it was prolonged under FDR, they credited FDR for this.
Also during the war, the war was obviously, I mean it goes without saying, psychologically traumatizing to people who lost loved ones and people who came home from the war.
And the fact that FDR, at least on the military side, did quite a good job in defeating our enemies in World War II, that a lot of Republicans again jumped across the aisle.
So Barone is suggesting that before that era, people just aligned strongly with their politics.
In other words, throw this economic model out is where I think where he's going with this.
Even though he doesn't reference a political piece, I'm gonna make the connection.
I'm saying that to you, folks, because I don't want you to believe that this economic model that Trump's gonna win in the landslide is true.
Dan, why would you say that?
You support the president.
Yes, I say that precisely because I support the president.
If you think he's going to win in a landslide like people thought Hillary was going to win in a landslide in 2016, Joe, what happens?
I don't need to vote.
Right, right.
Don't worry, he's going to win in a rout in Florida and all that other stuff, in Ohio, Michigan.
I don't need to show up.
No, no, no.
No, no.
You need to show up.
Read Barone's piece, folks.
All these economic models predicting a landslide and all this other stuff, throw them out.
I took a note here.
This is going to be trench warfare.
Barone cites James Carville, Democrat strategist.
Remember the raging Cajun?
James Carville!
Yeah, man!
Mary Matlin's husband.
Snakehead!
The raging Cajun.
Yeah, he's a slick debater, by the way.
You gotta watch that guy.
The Ragin' Cajun.
He appears in that movie Old School at the end.
Remember that in the debate thing?
It was pretty funny.
The Ragin' Cajun's economic theory of this was, it's the economy, stupid!
You're gonna get re-elected on the economy, just like Bill Clinton did.
Despite his foibles.
I'm telling you, throw it out!
People cannot stand this president on Democrats' side.
They are not gonna cross the aisle, many of them.
We are back to aligning strictly along the party votes.
And Democrats have a bit of an advantage.
I took a note on this.
This is trench warfare now.
It's electoral trench warfare.
Do not buy into this.
It's going to be a rout.
I'm telling you, I think Politico and others are writing pieces like this, Joe, to kind of put people at ease.
Don't worry, you don't need to show up.
No, you do.
This is political trench warfare.
The old rules are now new again.
And I took one other note here on my show sheet.
The 10-10-10 rule.
Make sure you either call, email, or make 10 social media posts each month before the election.
You want Donald Trump to win?
Are you serious about it?
Call 10 of your friends.
Are they gonna vote?
Oh, Dan, it's, oh gosh, it's 20, the election's not for over a year and a half.
Doesn't matter.
10 social media posts, 10 emails.
10, 10, and 10.
Do it every month until the election.
Folks, this is going to be trench warfare.
Do not fall into this trap that economic models are predicting a landslide.
Those rules are over.
One final piece was a good one.
Daniel Greenfield, who does some really terrific, wonderful work at Front Page Mag.
has a piece up about something we were talking about the other day, Joe, the, he even uses the word, cannibalistic implosion of the left.
Yeah.
It's a, it's a fascinating piece about how the left is bound to eat itself alive.
The piece is titled how the media.
Yeah.
Me too.
How the media is pushing the 2020 Dems to the left by Daniel Greenfield and what the Beto O'Rourke coverup tells us about the media.
I'll have that piece in the show notes today.
It is definitely worth your time.
Because it hits on a theme, how the Democrats and the media have this symbiotic relationship, but how the media has a hierarchy, Joe, of how they choose to report stories.
And that hierarchy, when you understand it, you will get why Beto's story about being part of, what was it, the Dead Cow Society or whatever?
Remember that hacking group?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Forgive me for jumping right in.
Some of you may have missed it.
Yeah, you remember the show, but if you missed the show the other day, folks...
A reporter from Reuters sat on a story during Beto's race with Ted Cruz for the Senate in Texas about Beto being involved with this allegedly criminal hacking group called like the Dead Cows or Dead Cow Societies.
The name is so stupid it's hard to even remember.
Yeah, Dead Cows, Dead Poets Society.
Was that Robin Williams?
Dead Cow Society starring Beto O'Rourke.
Now, the Reuters guy sits on the story until after the election.
I mean, is there a more obvious example of media bias?
The story obviously reflects poorly on Beto.
Would it have hurt him?
People just loved Beto anyway.
I don't even think it matters.
Like I told you, he's the Gozer from Ghostbusters.
Remember Gozer turns into the state marshmallow man?
Beto's whatever you think he is.
They would have painted him as like the Matrix character, right Joe?
Beto was involved in potentially criminal hacking or whatever.
They'd be like, he's like Keanu Reeves, man!
Follow the white rabbit!
Remember the lady in the beginning of the Matrix with the white rabbit tattoo?
That's what they would have done, because that's what they do.
So I'm not even sure it would have hurt him, but the point is they sat on the story till after the election.
Now, all of a sudden, and this is where we hit on this the other day, so you see where we're going with this.
Beto announces he's running for president.
Joe!
The Dead Cow Society story!
Here we go!
Creeps out!
Beto's a hacker!
Wow!
All of a sudden it creeps out.
Let me read to you from the Greenfield piece, because if you want to understand what Greenfield's saying, it makes all the sense in the world.
Quote, the strategic timing, he's talking about at the release of the story, reveals the media's political priorities.
Helping Democrats defeat Republicans, and then helping Democrats defeat other Democrats that are less leftist than the ones they are helping.
Within this hierarchy, this is important, remember the hierarchy folks, the media will champion liberal Republicans against conservative Republicans first, it will aid Democrats against Republicans second, And then support socialists against Democrats.
In every confrontation, the media will pick the side that is furthest leftward and use its power to back its cause.
Bingo!
Beautiful Daniel Greenfield.
You are darn right spot on.
Don't let me tie this back to the beginning of the show.
We are not here to defend Republicans.
We are here to get the truth out.
If Republicans go down with it, then too bad.
Not my problem.
That's their place.
Shouldn't have been involved in the first place.
I say that because don't get lost in this.
The media is only there to defend the Democrats.
No, the media are there to defend liberalism.
There's a difference!
Now do you understand why the Beto story came out, Joe?
What's the hierarchy?
Remember the hierarchy?
Democrats over Republicans at all times.
Who was the Republican?
Ted Cruz.
Who was the Democrat?
Beto, as Tucker calls him.
So, Beto's story about being a member of the Dead Cow Society, what's the rule, Joe?
Democrats over Republicans, right?
It is.
So, is the story shelved or not?
It's shelved.
It's shelved, baby.
Why is it, Joe?
Because it's Democrat versus Republican.
Now, Bateau, who's taken some moderate positions in the past, like votes on entitlement reform, now he's come out full-blown leftist.
Why is Bateau coming out full-blown leftist?
Because Dead Cow Society member Bateau is coming out full-blown leftist because he understands the media rules, Joe.
That he has a bit of a moderate past.
Bernie Sanders And others, some others in the race, don't.
So Beto is engaging in a media protection racket, figuring that rule number two, always back the more liberal Democrat over the other Democrat.
He understands he'll be a casualty of this, and that's why the story came out afterwards.
Let me read to you more.
Joe, does that make sense?
Oh, yes.
When you understand the hierarchy.
Immediate rule number one.
Always the Democrat over the Republican.
Back Bateau.
Bateau gets in.
Always back the more liberal Democrat over the Democrat.
Who's more liberal?
Sanders and these other people or Bateau?
The other people, not Bateau.
So now we can put out the Bateau piece about the dead cow society.
That's why Beto is now running in a sprint to the left.
Because he needs to protect himself against the media rules, which are always hammered the Democrat in protection of the more leftist Democrat.
Daniel Greenfield goes on in his piece of Front Page Man.
Again, read it, the show notes.
Very, very good.
Highly recommended.
To be a proper leftist is to live in perpetual terror of deviating from the party line.
Leftists, Joe, wink wink, nod nod, like cannibals, form into lynch mobs for self-defense.
If they're lynching someone else, their neck is momentarily safe.
What did I tell you?
That's a quote from Greenfield's piece.
What did I tell you in the show earlier in the week?
Liberalism is inherently cannibalistic and will implode and collapse on itself because unlike conservatism, which has emergency brakes built in, in other words, there are lines you cannot cross in your effort to advance individual liberty.
When you fight for free speech, Joe, you mean free speech.
There is no freer speech.
You can either say something or you can't.
So when conservatives fight for free speech, there's a limit.
You get what I'm saying?
There's a limiting factor, which is freedom.
When you fight for, you know, tax cuts, there's a limiting factor in tax cuts.
We obey the economics generally of Hauser's law.
When you fight for healthcare freedom, you're saying, I want to make my medical choices.
There's a limit to like, there's the limit is that you make your choices.
You can't make your choices and make the same choice again.
Gosh, I hope I'm not losing you.
Nah, man.
You're cool.
Yeah, you're good.
When you've reached a state of freedom and liberty, you're there.
Like, you've reached the tip of the spear.
You're free.
Now, the freedom has to be defended.
The tree of freedom and liberty has to be watered with the blood of patriots, as has been said.
But when you get there, you're there.
There's nothing else to say about there that you're there.
You're free.
Right.
That is not the case with government tyranny and control.
I had said to you earlier in the week that the lurch leftward continues to lurch.
Because it never ends.
I want a 70% tax rate.
Then you see Julian Castro.
I want a 90% tax rate.
Then you see Elizabeth Warren.
I want to confiscate the wealth of people who make this amount or more.
Then you're going to see people later on.
I want billionaires to be banned!
I want companies to give over control of the company to outside stakeholders that have nothing to do with the company.
Folks, it never stops.
This is why socialism inexorably leads to starvation, poverty, torture, and political imprisonment.
Because the depravity never ends.
I want to steal their stuff.
Well, they don't want to give up their stuff.
Well, let's beat them to death!
This is where socialism goes.
This is why leftism frightens people like me.
This is why leftism and the media's cause, their advocacy for far, far leftists, is so dangerous.
And what Greenfield is hitting on, although in the context of the media and the media rules, remember, Democrats over Republicans, far-left Democrats over Democrats at all times, that's the rules, right?
And liberal Republicans over regular Republicans, right?
This is why, and when you understand those media rules, you're now seeing this lurch farther and farther to the left.
It's not going to stop, Joe.
We had Kirsten Gillibrand come out yesterday, Democrat senator from New York, working for a, you know, working for a, excuse me, running for president.
Well, how did it start?
Social Security.
We need to expand Social Security.
We need to take the cap off.
We need to expand Social Security to everyone.
Now Kirsten Gillibrand.
We need to expand Social Security to illegal immigrants.
She came out and said that yesterday.
I told you it will never end.
Gillibrand and Beto, by lurching far left, are trying to protect themselves against the media, hoping that rule number two, always choose leftist Democrats over Democrats, will apply to them, and when they go over to that leftist Democrat box, they won't be the subject of negative media reports.
Brilliant, brilliant analysis by Daniel Greenfield.
Very, very good job.
All right, folks, I appreciate you tuning in.
I had a couple more things, but I'll get to them tomorrow.
It's a lot of new stuff, New Zealand Gun Ban and other things like that.
We'll get to that.
It's just been a heavy news week.
And again, I'm just frustrated.
Forgive me for being emotional on today's show.
I really probably shouldn't waste so much air time on other people, but I'm only human, folks.
I'm just a dude like you.
My skin is...
It's not as thick as I want it to be, and I feel like, you know, along with the president, that we need to defend ourselves and defend him.
This Ukrainian story is a big deal.
We've been covering it for a while, and it is perfectly legitimate right now to be asking very serious, sincere questions about McCain and his associates and their involvement in the biggest scandal in US history.
Do not be frightened away from this story.
All right, thanks for your attention today.
I really appreciate it.
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