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In this episode I address the outrageous liberal meltdown over the NY Times piece by Bari Weiss about Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, and the Intellectual Dark Web.
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I'm going to start off with a... I'm doing it again, Joe, a New York Times op-ed piece, but it's by a friend of ours.
You said a president.
When I say a friend of the movement, yeah, I know, it's going to be two days in a row I'm putting a link in to a left-leaning outlet, but this is worth it because it's by a friend of the movement.
In some respects, a woman by the name of Bari Weiss.
Some of you know where I'm going with this already.
And the ones who do are like, yes.
The ones who don't are like, what are you talking about?
I promise this is going to matter to you.
It involves Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, Dave Rubin.
And the piece is causing chaos on the left.
They are losing their minds over a New York Times piece.
All right, I'll explain to you why in a minute.
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The Bari Weiss piece.
It will be in the show notes today at Bongino.com.
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I will email these articles to you every day.
This is a super important piece, even though it is at the New York Times.
The left is going nuts, Joe, and the piece is about the... The Intellectual Dark Web!
Whoa!
Now that's a cool name.
That's a cool name.
I gotta tell you, if I would have thought of that first, that may have been the subtitle of the show.
Dan Bongino, The Intellectual Dark Web.
Really, right?
Isn't it cool?
Everybody wants to be part of a cool crew.
The Scorpions, you know, the Razorbacks, right?
The Grizzlies, the Jets, the Sharks, whatever, was that West Side Story?
Everybody needs a cool name.
So, Bari Weiss, in a genius piece at the New York Times, and she's, from what I know, a relatively moderate Republican, but writes pretty fair pieces at the New York Times, and of course, liberals are losing their minds over this piece.
Why?
What's the essence of the piece?
Why are the liberals melting down?
She talks about this website called the Intellectual Dark Web.
And I don't know much about it, I'll be honest with you, but I do know a lot about the people featured on it, Joe.
And in the Intellectual Dark Web, how do you be a part of that group?
Gosh, is there a membership?
The Intellectual Dark Web site, they feature people that you and I, Joe, and many of our listeners have heard of.
Some of you may not have heard of them.
One of them is Ben Shapiro, currently the number one conservative podcaster in the world.
Depending on the week, we're usually number two or number three, which I'm proud of, by the way, thanks to you.
Yeah, man.
Nothing wrong with, you know, losing out to Ben Shapiro.
And sometimes Crowder beats us, who's another pretty solid guy, Steve Crowder.
I do a show, really good show as well.
But we're usually two or three trailing Ben.
Ben's got a really popular show over at the Daily Wire.
And Ben is is a pretty outspoken conservative.
Sometimes he's, you know, he's he doesn't always agree with Trump.
I think he's been pretty vociferous in his criticism at times.
And, you know, that's because Ben knows his stuff.
And I don't ever you know, I don't you know, you know what I'm saying?
I don't think it's I think he's a principled guy on those issues.
And he has a really good show.
Also featured in the piece, though, is Jordan Peterson, who has seemingly, Joe, taken over the world.
I'm serious.
If you haven't heard of Jordan Peterson, you're probably living in some kind of a cave somewhere.
I don't know, because this guy, he has this book out, 12 Rules for Life.
He's doing a Traveling Roadshow, he does, where he does like, where he covers his book.
It's sold out everywhere.
He is a Canadian psychologist who, his book is a, I don't even know what to call it, a hit.
It's like a neutron bomb hit.
I mean, the thing's like number one bestseller everywhere.
I mean, it's, I have the book.
I'm a, I don't know, about a tenth of the way through it.
I'm reading a couple of the books too, including the Simtelebs.
And then also featured in the piece are Brett Weinstein and Dave Rubin, Christina Hoff Sommers and others.
The gist of the piece, Joe, why the liberals are losing their minds, is that these are, there you go, a little bit of light, now I can see you.
These thinkers, Shapiro, Rubin, Dave Rubin, by the way, who's a liberal, Dave Rubin, Joe, is not a conservative.
He was formerly the Young Turks.
He's an awesome guy, though.
Very open-minded guy.
Friends with Shapiro.
We follow each other on Twitter.
He's a liberal.
Going to show you that I don't mind Democrats.
I just mind idiots.
And Dave Rubin is not one.
Dave Rubin's a good guy.
He disagrees with us, but is more than happy to give a platform and a respectful debate platform on his show, The Rubin Report, to conservatives.
He does it all the time.
He had Thomas Sowell on.
It was a remarkable episode.
Again, the point of the piece is that these thinkers have found a way, Joe, to do an end around around the gatekeepers of the time.
In other words, the gatekeepers of the time have told us that, you know, conservative thought is unacceptable.
They want to keep us off the airways.
They want to keep the idea suppressed.
The gist of the piece by Bari Weiss is through podcasting.
Oh, they mentioned Joe Rogan as well.
It was a very most popular podcast, I think, in the country right now.
Millions of downloads per show.
Which, Joe and I know the numbers well.
That's pretty darn remarkable.
Yeah.
You're doing millions of downloads a month, you're a rock star.
Per show, you're like a mega rock star.
But they've found a way through podcasting, through YouTube channels, through Patreon accounts, which I don't have, but I'm telling you, I'm thinking about doing myself so that we can get around the whole, you know, pressure from the Media Matters goons and other folks.
These Patreon accounts, Joe, are ways where people can donate, to basically donate to your company, whatever it is, Jordan Peterson Inc., and you don't have to worry about any of the pressure from these outside groups.
Apparently, Ruben and Jordan Peterson are doing quite well off these Patreon accounts as well, alone.
Which has enabled them, you see where I'm going with this show?
They're not subject to pressure campaigns, because they're funded by their listeners and their supporters.
Which, I read it and I was like, you know what, that's not a bad idea.
I mean, I like my sponsors, they're great.
Certainly, guys like FilterBuy don't give a damn about pressure campaigns at all.
Don't seem to, no.
No, no, they don't care at all.
FilterBuy is a patriotic American company that gives exactly zero err about pressure campaigns from goofs on the left.
But, it is an interesting idea.
The whole podcast arena, it circumvents the mainstream media.
And the reason the left is freaking out, Joe, is because the combined audience of these people, Peterson, who's a rock star, Shapiro, rock star, Rubin, all these people have this huge audience.
The left is losing its edge on cool, Joe.
You know, listen, I think, you know, you see where I'm going with this, right?
Joe is a rocker guy.
Joe has lived and grown up while in radio and growing up in the music sphere.
Now, you and I both acknowledge on the show, Joe, the people you grew up with were probably like, hey man, like the Vietnam era hippies.
It was cool to be a liberal, right?
The coolest, yeah.
Yeah, how you wound up a conservative is beyond me.
You must have a strong, you know, spine and moral compass and a cojones made of titanium to be a conservative.
That they are.
They are, right?
Thank you.
Ding, ding, ding.
It's so bad.
Oh, dude.
People love them.
I get it.
But the left, it was always cool to be a leftist.
Yeah.
Even on a college campus.
You know, peace, love, and happiness, man.
It's past the bong.
Let's do it.
Don't hoard the skunk, man.
Don't hoard the skunk.
It was never cool to be the Alex Keaton kid in Family Ties.
For those of you younger listeners, Alex Keaton was a...
Reagan, Republican, and a popular sitcom in the 80s called Family Ties, and he was always portrayed as the stiff in the family.
Now, what's bothering the left, and the only reason I'm bringing this piece up, folks, is I'm telling you the left is melting down.
They're in a full-fledged frontal war on the peace to try to discredit Bari Weiss, the author, to try to discredit the peace, to try to pressure the New York Times to get this woman out of there and stop writing for them.
The reason is, the left previously had a monopoly on non-conformity.
And non-conformity, folks, has always been cool.
You know, I hate to use these ethereal, otherworldly terms.
You know I like to speak in facts and data.
But there's no other way to describe the Genesee Quahia.
I don't know what cool is.
You just know it when you see it.
Right.
Back in the happy days era, the Fonz was cool.
But he's not now.
If the Fonz showed up with the leather jacket, the greasy hair, and I said, hey, you'd look at him and be like, wait, what?
But back in the day, guys and ladies, you younger folks out there, I'm 43, Joe's a little older than me.
Vons was the epitome of cool.
Maybe more your era than mine.
Happy Days I only watched on rerun.
You probably got to watch it live.
Yeah, we watched it first live.
Hey, I only watched it on rerun.
My day cool was Tyler Durden from Fight Club.
Remember Fight Club?
The Brad Pitt character?
He was cool.
He fought.
He smoked.
Now listen, smoking's bad.
I get it.
I'm just saying.
That was the whole image.
I never smoked.
And you shouldn't either.
Public service.
I'm just saying.
The Tyler Durden character.
That was cool.
How do you describe it?
I don't know.
What was cool about Durden?
I don't know.
He fought.
He talked cool.
No one really knows.
But what's freaking the left out, folks, this is important, this is one of the most important openings I've ever done, is they have always had a monopoly on cool.
It was never cool or edgy to be friends with Ben Shapiro or friends with Jordan Peterson.
Now, Peterson Shapiro speak to, Joe, millions of people, millions a day.
Yeah, man.
YouTube, private websites.
Patreon accounts, podcasts.
Now, I'm not trying to, like, insert myself, but we speak to well over into the millions of people per month.
I'd be happy to, you know, one day show you that stuff, but our show is doing the same thing.
We're not, you know, part of any, you know, we weren't in the article at all.
I'm a little bitter about that.
Who doesn't want to be part of the intellectual dark web, right?
The point is, Joe, non-conformity was always monopolized by the left.
It's one of the ways they keep, this is important, it's one of the ways they keep people from thinking for themselves.
Someone told me they play a drinking game with their dad and every time I say, this is important, they take a swig and they're drunk every day.
Don't play that drinking game!
Ever!
It's bad.
You'll be intoxicated daily.
Yes, sir.
I want to tell you a little.
You're speaking about cool and conservatism.
I was at the bank doing a transaction.
I was talking to one of the guys and we got he's.
Came about that I was conservative.
Now I was wearing one of my earrings.
It was a dangly earring too, you know?
And I had the hair all blown up and somehow or another one of the tellers got into it and he said to the teller, yeah, he's conservative.
And she looked at me, she goes, what?
With the earring and the hair?
He can't be!
Stunned.
Joe had his Elvis look on.
That's not possible.
Nobody who looks like Elvis is conservative.
Exactly!
No, they don't!
But you understand, Joe, that's how they keep these college kids from thinking for themselves?
It doesn't really work on older folks as much.
I mean, to a degree.
But what I'm trying to tell you is painting the left as, hey, we're anti-establishment.
We're the non-conformists.
We're the gang on the outside.
We're fighting the man, Joe.
Do you understand that's always kept this edge to liberalism that people have aligned with and it keeps them from thinking about what liberalism actually is?
It's almost like...
You know, when you're younger, everybody wanted, there were a lot of gangs in my neighborhood.
I don't mean gangs like, well, there were Latin Kings and stuff like that, but we weren't, but there were like smaller gangs.
Like for me, I remember this one, uh, it was AAC.
It was, uh, art and crime.
That was the art degree, like art was cool.
They meant they didn't mean art.
They meant like graffiti art.
So that was, but everybody wanted to be part of that was our gang, right?
Everybody wanted to be, But I gotta tell you, as time went on, you found out what the gang was about, some people, and they weren't good guys.
You know, me and a lot of other people, like, ah, not my bag of donuts, you know?
Liberalism has had such an edge and monopoly on cool for so long that if they lose that edge, like, hey, maybe it's cool to be part of the intellectual dark web.
Look who's there, Ben Shapiro.
And what is Ben Shapiro saying?
That when the ideas start getting out there, And the cool monopoly's broken.
And 18 to 25 and 30 year olds start saying, hey, you know what?
Miss Jordan Peterson is a pretty cool cat.
I'm gonna hear what he has to say.
And they get broken of victim culture, Joe.
Do you understand the liberals would be done for a generation?
Yeah.
Liberals have factored into their popular vote counts very specific blocks of voters.
Minority voters.
Women.
LGBT voters.
They have already factored them in.
They have also factored in who, Joe?
Young voters.
Now, liberals have also factored in that they are going to lose a lot of younger voters as they get jobs.
I'm not kidding.
I'm not making this up.
When younger voters start paying taxes and start figuring out how the gang affects them, Joe, the liberal cool gang, they're like, hey, this gang was really cool.
What's your tax rate on your check?
50%?
Oh, that gang ain't cool no more.
That gang ain't cool.
All of a sudden you don't like that.
That's why as people get older, Joe and I, they become more conservative because liberalism is great until it punches you in the mouth.
And then you're like, wow, liberalism, this really sucks.
Matter of fact, I tweeted out last night, liberalism sucks.
Thanks.
That's all.
I just had that on my mind last night.
I think we may make a t-shirt at the chum store for that.
So that may be coming up too soon.
What I'm trying to get at here is liberalism Has used that cool edge, that non-conformist edge, to get the votes of 18 to 24 year olds, knowing they're going to lose most of them as they get older.
Now, what if they start to lose them as they turn voting age 18?
Because the 18 year olds are like, hey man, this Shapiro, Peterson, this Dave Rubin, even though he's a liberal, you know, he's an open-minded free thinker and I can now start to look at ideas rather than gang labels.
And when I say gang, I don't mean like violent gang.
You know what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about ideological gangs.
All of a sudden, these conservative cats are pretty cool themselves.
Next thing you know, 18 to 25 year olds, Joe, even 50% of them start voting conservative.
It's over!
One of the Democrats' big identity politics voting blocks, young voters, is gone.
It's wiped out.
You'll never get them back.
The left is freaking out over this piece.
You dispute anything I'm telling you?
If you're on social media on Twitter, put in Bari Weiss.
Just put it in the search bar.
If you have the internet, if you have any internet capabilities at all, just Google Bari Weiss.
Read the hysterical reaction from leftist goons about this piece.
Cool idiot, it's just rehashed old stuff.
Intellectual dark web.
Get her off New York Times.
They're in a panic because if conservatism becomes edgy and a way to re- which by the way, Joe, it is!
Yeah.
It's easy to be a liberal.
Yeah, man, peace, love and happiness, man.
We love the government.
It's all great.
Have you thought about anything you just said?
Never.
The minute you start to question government ownership of your money, your kids, your healthcare, your business, the minute you start to question that, you start to realize there's nothing edgy.
There's nothing nonconformist about being a sucker for the government.
A bunch of tools in D.C.
wearing bow ties, laughing their asses off as they spend your money?
You think that's cool?
You think that's edgy?
Allowing a bunch of goons you've never met in your life in D.C.
who don't give a rat's ass about you?
You think that's edgy and cool to somehow give them your money, your kids, and your health care?
What the hell is wrong with you?
Are you crazy?
You think that's nonconformist?
You're the biggest sucker out there if you believe in that.
You have been suckered big time, Daddy-O.
And now all of a sudden people are starting to open their eyes, whether it's Shapiro, Peterson, or this show, or Joe Rogan, and Rogan doesn't even do politics.
He just has politicians, excuse me, political types on to talk about other things.
You think it's cool to be a sucker to the man?
You are the man!
You're the man!
You're the one advocating for people taking away your liberty.
You!
When you support these people.
And it horrifies the left that even liberals like Dave Rubin are willing to have conservatives on because the only thing the left has, and I'll sum it up, I only wanted to spend a few minutes on this, but this is, it's such an important piece and it'll be in the show notes today.
I encourage you to read it even though it's at the New York Times, Joe.
Once the battle of ideas takes over the battle of labels, the left is finished for a generation.
I know it.
I ran for office.
I remember knocking on doors.
In a largely minority county in Maryland, Prince George's County, which Joe knows well.
Knocking on the doors of black voters who had voted Democrat, I'm assuming most of their life, based on what their voter registration said.
And I would talk to them about actual ideas.
Hey, how do you feel about taxes?
How do you feel about abortion?
I walked away astonished.
I mean, I'm giving you an unscientific sample.
70-75% diehard conservative.
I'm like, but you vote Democrat.
Yeah, yeah, those Republicans, you know, they're no good.
What?
Wait, what?
It had nothing to do with the ideas.
The left is terrified that the battle of ideas is going to take over the battle of labels, because the labels have been monopolized for life.
Democrats, liberals, coolish Republicans, stodgy old white guys.
Yeah, but they're not.
But they're not stodgy old white guys.
They are horrified that they are going to lose out.
Read the piece.
It is amazing.
And remember, The non-conformists right now are conservative.
It takes zero bravery at all on a college campus to be a liberal.
Zero.
Zip.
It takes a titanium set on you to go onto a college campus and say, you know what?
I'm a conservative.
I stand for liberty.
Oh!
Racist!
Racist!
There they go.
Color form, safe space, crying room, microaggression.
It takes no effort at all to do that.
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Yeah, do that.
I wanted to cover something.
I want to cover from a different angle.
You know I like to do things a little differently than other shows, because I don't want to waste your time, and a lot of you have the cable news channels on all day, and that's great.
Um, so I want to give you something different, and I wanted to pick one particular thing out.
There's a point in the questioning yesterday of Gina Haspel, who is, again, Trump's nominee to be CIA director, because the former CIA director Mike Pompeo is now the Secretary of State.
Haspel's a career employee at the CIA.
There's no question she's qualified.
I have personally some objections to enhanced interrogation.
That's for a whole other show.
The only point I wanted to make today is about the childish questioning of some of the Democrat senators.
Kamala Harris, specifically.
Kamala Harris, Democrat Senator from California who is running for president and apparently, yeah I know, running for president and is running for president during every TV appearance when she can question someone, said some really ridiculous things often.
People are afraid to call her out because they know Kamala Harris is going to resort immediately to identity politics attacks on the other side.
I don't care.
Kamala Harris said something yesterday that was absurd.
Here's what she said.
She asked a question, if torture is moral.
And Joe, the way she asked it is the problem, not the question.
It's the way she asked it, I have a sincere problem with.
She goes, is torture moral?
Yes or no?
Answer the question, yes or no?
Now, I have no issue at all.
Matter of fact, I said this on Laura Ingraham's show last night.
I tweeted out the appearance this morning.
You can look at it yourself.
I'm actually glad Kamala Harris asked the question, as many others did, about America's history with enhanced interrogation techniques, and Joe, its potential future under Haspel.
These are important issues.
Whether the United States uses pain or sleep deprivation or whatever it is to get information from potential terrorists is a topic people are understandably interested in and should be.
It questions values, what we believe in, what we believe in in a time of crisis.
That's a fair question.
Answering the question in a yes or no fashion?
Are you kidding me?
Joe, let me tell you what I mean because you may be confused.
Joe, is killing wrong, yes or no?
Yes!
It's wrong, right?
It's wrong.
Now, let me ask you this.
You go to war in combat with a nation-state threatening to nuke the United States.
Is killing wrong, yes or no?
No!
But you just said yes, it's wrong.
Obviously.
What changed?
The situation.
Oh!
I did not plan that with you.
Very good.
I was hoping you would say that.
Yes!
The situation changed.
In other words, it's not a binary question, yes or no.
The whole field of ethics, folks.
Business ethics.
Life ethics.
Parenting ethics.
Do you spank your... Joe, is hitting wrong?
Hitting someone wrong?
Yes.
Yes, okay.
Is spanking your child wrong after they hit their sister repeatedly and won't stop?
No, you don't know, right?
Maybe, maybe not.
Who knows?
What changed?
The situation?
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
Folks, the world is a complicated place.
Do we even have to say that?
My gosh, this is a bright audience.
I can tell by the emails I get.
You all are super smart.
Do we even have to say that, that the world is an inherently complicated place?
The whole field of ethics is based on the fact that morality, Joe, most of the time is not binary, black or white, yes or no.
It's grey.
We don't know.
Why do we not know?
Because you answered the question precisely and perfectly.
Because situations change.
Is killing wrong?
Of course.
Someone pulls a gun on your daughter.
God forbid.
I'm gonna shoot her if she doesn't give me the money.
Is killing wrong?
Um, I don't know.
But you just said it was.
Well, no, it's not wrong in that situation.
But you just said killing's wrong.
Kamala Harris knows that.
Kamala Harris is a politician running for president and tried to bait Haspel I had some issues with some of her other answers but again I don't want to get into the standard go then she do what she not do.
I want to get into this part of it because this goes to show you what the Democrats do.
She asks a question there's no answer to trying to bait Haspel into a response she can't possibly give.
Is enhanced interrogation wrong?
I don't know.
It depends.
Do you still beat your wife?
That's the kind of question.
That's it.
That's the question.
It's the beat your wife question.
Because they want to bait you into an answer, and that's going to be the headline.
What Joe's talking about is, you see this during political campaigns all the time, where people say things to bait you into an answer and the answer's the headline, not the question.
The answer from Haspel was going to, that's a good point, the answer from Haspel was going to be the headline.
Torture's not immoral.
What?
CIA director said torture's not immoral.
That's not what she said.
The way the press does this with the beat your wife question is this.
When did you stop beating your wife?
I don't beat my wife.
Headline.
Politician Joey Bag of Donuts.
I don't beat my wife.
And then what did people say, Joe?
He was beating his wife?
Yeah.
There you go.
The question is the scam.
The question from Kamala Harris was the scam.
Instead of saying, which is a fair question, Joe, can you tell me a situation, Ms.
Haspel, where enhanced interrogation, sleep deprivation, food deprivation, standing for long periods of time, can you tell me a situation where behavior that's going to cause pain to someone would be appropriate?
You would have given the opportunity for a nuanced answer in a complicated world where we can address the real-world ethics where deadly people want to kill us every day.
And strong and hard men and women defend us against that.
She could have given a nuanced, clear answer on what she thought about that topic.
Instead, Kamala Harris played politician and baited her and made the question the scam.
You're right.
When did you stop beating your wife question?
Haspel!
Torture is not immoral!
What?!
Do you understand again why I wake up every morning so bitter?
Listen, I'm not telling you Republicans on the Hill don't do this kind of stuff, too.
I get it.
But why I can't stand politicians that have no intention of ever running for office again... Folks, I'll be honest with you.
I could win.
I know it.
I'm not saying I don't... I know it.
I can raise a ton of money.
I have.
We came close to winning in a deep blue state in Maryland.
I know I will never run again, ever.
You know why?
You want to know the candidates for me?
I don't want to be around those people.
I don't.
99% of them have let me down and shown themselves to be nothing but snakes.
I can't stand them.
I had the opposite experience in the Secret Service, where 99% of the men and women I worked with, I was like, damn, that's a good dude or a good woman.
It's the opposite in politics.
I put my faith in these people, I've endorsed some people, and they turn around and, Joe, double-barreled middle finger.
Hey, I'll vouch for that.
I've seen it.
You know what I'm talking about.
You know, I don't get into the name because half the time it's not worth it, but he knows who I'm talking about.
Yeah, man.
And it's not just one.
By the way, did you see Kevin Kamenitz died?
Yeah.
I was gonna tell you that.
Folks, for those of you who don't know, sorry, I don't mean to get off topic, I want to get off this anyway, but, you know, just to show you the...
You know, kiss your kids at night.
Kevin Kamenetz was a Democrat, pretty liberal Democrat.
But, you know, again, unlike the left, you know, unfortunately it does this all the time.
I never celebrate someone's death, God forbid.
Kevin Kamenetz was a pretty prominent Maryland politician.
Baltimore County executive he was, I believe.
Had some gubernatorial ambitions.
Yes, he did.
Uh, I wake up this morning and I still follow Maryland politics because I live there and I see Kevin Kamenetz died of a heart attack at 60 years old.
I, uh, so, um, you know, God rest the man's soul.
That's, I was really kind of touched by that.
Joe works, of course, in the Baltimore market.
He's actually in Baltimore County, his job.
And, uh, gosh, I was, I was horrified.
I'm like, I had to read it twice.
I'm like, is this, this can't possibly be right.
And, uh, he died.
So, um, yeah.
Really sad.
I saw that this morning.
So rest in peace, brother.
You know, Kevin Kamenetz.
He was, again, a pretty prominent Maryland politician.
But yeah, I just want to get off that.
But I wanted to bring that up that, folks, the world is a gray area of ethics.
Life is lived on the margins, right?
What do I mean by the margins?
And the only example I can give to you, and I'm not comparing heat in the winter to torture, so don't be an idiot for the Media Matters goons listening to the show.
I know you do.
Welcome!
Good to see you.
I'm trying to explain what the margin is, because sometimes people don't get this.
When we're heating up our homes in the winter, the question isn't binary.
It's not heat, no heat.
Just like Kamala Harris.
Is torture immoral?
Yes or no?
That's not the question.
It's ridiculous.
The question is the scam.
It's not a real question.
You don't ask in the winter, heat or no heat.
You say, how much?
In other words, how much pain inflicted on someone else is acceptable within the United States' moral code to stop a potential terrorist attack?
That's the question.
And the answer is, as Joe said before, it depends on the situation.
If you knew a guy had the deactivation code for a suitcase nuke ready to go off in Manhattan and kill, Hundreds of thousands of people, potentially.
Well, suitcase nuke wouldn't do it, but you get the point.
Even thousands of people.
How much pain are you willing to bring to that person's life to get those codes?
Folks, these are not easy questions.
That was one of the beefs people had with Catholics running for office in the early days.
Because they felt that their moral code would impact them when the macro, that the micro moral code, in other words, the code within your family and circle of friends is, thou shalt not kill.
Yes, you're right.
They shouldn't.
Thou shall not inflict pain on others.
Well, how do you do that as a president when you have to send kids to war to kill?
If you potentially have to interrogate someone using enhanced interrogation techniques, excuse me, because there's a suitcase bomb ready to go off.
Folks, this is the real world.
This isn't kiddie time, okay?
This isn't kindergarten.
This isn't Mr. Rogers.
Wake the hell up!
I'm not talking to you.
I'm talking to these politicians.
Hard men and women have to make hard decisions every day in a complicated world where God gave us the ability of free will to decide in that gray area how much heat in the winter.
Is it 70?
Is it 71?
Is it 71? Is it 72?
Is it 72?
How much pain?
When does it go over the line?
So all we...
Oh, we shouldn't inflict pain on anyone.
Really?
Because we put people in prison.
The psychological trauma and pain of being in prison is pretty devastating.
We put people in solitary confinement.
By the way, these are the same liberals, by the way, who want abortion on demand.
They have no problem with pain in the womb, by the way.
That real pain, by the way.
Legitimate pain.
That pain doesn't bother them.
All right.
It's just the whole questioning yesterday was absurd.
And I just want to leave it on this.
I'm sorry.
Again, I'm spending a lot of time on topics I thought would be incidental to today's show.
I had some other stuff, but I just want to show you that they're hypocrites and that there is a gray area of ethics that thinking people like you and I should be talking about.
I mean, the death penalty show.
My gosh, I never got more feedback in my life when I told people I didn't support the death penalty.
Never, ever, ever.
That show went crazy.
I got probably 500 emails on that.
That's fine.
We're thinking people.
We can speak to each other.
We're not liberals.
There's no cry room.
There's no safe space here.
There's no microaggressions.
I give out my email so you can talk to me.
I read your stuff.
This isn't a one-way conversation.
Liberals don't do that.
And it's evidenced by that stupid question.
Told you wrong.
Yes, you know.
All right.
I'm going to motor through this last one, because this is good, good, good.
Who's the source?
The source, source, source.
I spent all day looking at this.
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So yesterday we talked about the Avenatti story.
And what did we say, Joe?
Give it time!
Every time.
Avenatti, for those of you who missed it, I put a little caveat in yesterday's show.
Buyer beware.
The story about the porn star, Stormy Daniels' lawyer, Avenatti, who has been just relentlessly hitting the Trump team and Cohen.
He put out a document about Michael Cohen, Trump's lawyer's bank records.
And I said yesterday, how the heck did he get Michael Cohen's bank records without being part and parcel to some crime?
Folks, bank records, it's illegal to disclose someone's personal bank records.
I don't know how he got them.
But I said to you yesterday, and it showed some deposits, you all remember yesterday's show from a Russian oligarch, ironically connected more to the Clintons than to the Trumps, but again, if you believe in my theory that the Mueller investigation is a smokescreen, to investigate people with ties to the Clinton and the Trump sphere, but only hit them on the Trump stuff to keep them from talking about the Clinton stuff.
Yesterday's story makes all the sense in the world, and I've got another angle on that today.
So they hit Viktor Vekselberg and Cohen.
The big mystery now is who's cooperating with Avenatti to disclose personal bank records of Cohen.
And now, thankfully, the Treasury Inspector General is opening an investigation into this.
So good job to find out how this guy got these records.
Because it could not have been obtained legally.
It's not possible.
Unless they were turned over.
But why would he do that?
Why would Cohen give a legal enemy of his his bank records?
It makes no sense.
I told you to wait on the story though.
Because Avenatti, people who've reported his stories, we had the pen register wiretap story.
I said you got to give the media 24 hours because a lot of it will turn out to be fake news.
And ding ding ding!
I was right!
Turns out, portions of the bank records of Michael Cohen's deposits from foreign companies... This is so bad.
So stupid.
The media, they get suckered every single time.
I tweeted out last night, I can't believe you guys keep getting suckered.
Portions of the bank records alleging Cohen received payments from foreign companies were the wrong Michael Cohen.
Now, Joe, you and I have rather unique names, right?
I don't think Armacost is that popular of a name.
No, it's not.
I know Bongino isn't.
There's not that many of them because my grandparents changed it.
The name was Bongiorno, which is a popular name, and my grandparents changed it to Bongino to kind of slim it down a little bit.
There are not many Bonginos.
It's very hard to screw me up.
I don't even know if there's another Dan Bongino on the planet.
It's really difficult to screw that up.
Michael Cohen is a very, very popular name, okay?
Yep.
It is an extremely popular name.
You would think a little bit of due diligence, you would check on the payments.
Now, Michael Cohen, who one of the payments was registered to, sent apparently some kind of a message to Avenatti saying, uh, dude, Not Michael Cohen, Trump's lawyer.
This is me.
You got the wrong guy.
So as I said on yesterday's show, give it 24 hours.
There will always be some kind of correction with these Avenatti stories.
And there was yesterday.
Now, point number two before I go on to this connection here.
I have another great piece in the Daily Call of Duty.
Today's show notes are just a must read.
Check them out.
My father said, it's a must.
Everything like that.
He said, but Dan, this is a must.
You got to go to this event.
It's a must.
You got to read this book.
It's a must.
There's a great piece in the Daily Caller.
Richard Pollack wrote it.
I strongly suggest you read it.
It came out yesterday about how the Mueller case, which I'm telling you is a smokescreen.
It's a bait and switch.
They're investigating people loosely connected to the Trump team who are heavily connected to the Clinton team.
to shut them up from talking about the Clinton team and they're corrupt.
I'm Pinchuk, Vexelberg, and I'm going to get to another one in a minute.
But the Mueller team, Joe, is in a world of trouble.
Remember the case, the indictments, the 13 indictments against the Russian troll farms that came out about a month ago where Mueller indicted, you know, they bought Facebook ads and all this stuff.
Ironically, some of the Facebook ads, as I told you when I had that debate on Hannity with the lawyer, one of the Facebook ads was for a pro-Hillary group, save American Muslims, vote Hillary.
Now, that got left out of the media coverage, but the Mueller indictments, big headlines, Mueller indicts Russian Troll Farm for helping Trump!
Meanwhile, some of them are helping Hillary.
What happened, Joe?
Major league setback for Mueller again.
I'm not celebrating Russian Troll Farms.
I'm just telling you the case was a dog from the start.
Mueller indicted this company, this Russian Troll Farm, Because he wanted to indict a Russian company because that's what his whole meaning right now, his whole existence is about that.
What happened, folks?
Mueller didn't expect the owners of the company to show up in court because they're in Russia.
In other words, here's what we're going to do.
Follow me here, folks.
We're going to splash a big headline.
Indictment!
Russian troll farms help Trump!
Collusion!
Collusion!
The media will go nuts.
And here's the best part.
We never have to take the case to trial because it's a crap case because they're in Russia.
They're never going to come over here.
The lawyers showed up in court.
Muller's team is like, shaggy.
And what did the lawyers say?
No, we want a trial.
Not only that, we want it ASAP pursuant to the speedy trial.
What did Muller's team say, Joe?
We need to delay this.
We're not sure you've been properly notified.
talking to the company, they're like, "No, no, we've been notified, we're good."
And the judge, [BLANK_AUDIO]
The federal judge said to the lawyer for the Russian troll farm, yes, you can have a speedy trial.
Now the Mueller team's in a panic.
Because what?
Because it's a crap case.
It was a headline case.
It wasn't a real case.
Joe, what do you think is going to happen?
When this case looks like it's going to go to trial.
Now they're not going to take a plea.
Listen, I'm not celebrating.
Don't mistake this the wrong way.
If these dogs did what they did, and they're guilty, then I hope Mueller gets him in court.
I'm simply telling you Mueller's tactics in court say to me that he's got squat.
Because now what, Joe?
Now the case is going to go to trial.
And the defense gets... Gets what?
They get the evidence.
Now Butler's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Wait, we gotta turn over the evidence to the defense?
*GASP* *DUN DUN DUN*
"Aww, crap."
You're damn right!
They can't do that because it's crap.
The evidence is junk.
Folks, there's a strong likelihood this case is going to get blown out of court.
The Mueller team has taken a beating.
This is what happens when you try to fabricate a crime out of nowhere that didn't happen.
Judge T.S.
Ellis last week saying of the Mueller team, um, how exactly does Manafort's business dealings with Ukraine deal with Russian collusion in the Mueller team?
Um, uh, uh, uh, I don't know.
No, that's not good enough.
Let me see the scope document.
They are in a world of trouble, the Mueller team.
A world of trouble.
Now, again, I just want to repeat this.
If it turns out that these troll farms really engaged in illegal activity... Yeah.
And by the way, buying Facebook ads is not illegal, even if you're a foreign company.
It's a private company.
Prosecute them.
And if that's the case, I applaud Mueller.
Go get them.
But if you prosecuted this case for a headline, and this case was a dog from the start, and you knew it to make someone look bad, Whoa, are you gonna be in deep mm-mm-mm when this thing hits court and the defense says show us the evidence?
Like Cuba Gooding Jr.
Show me the money.
Show me the money, Jerry!
Show me the money!
Remember that?
Show me the money.
There better be money.
Because if there isn't, Bob Mueller is gonna have absolutely decimated the credibility of this investigation, if there's any left.
All right.
I found a little wrinkle.
I had two parts to this, but I'm not going to get to both of them today because this is really critical.
So yesterday, we had mentioned that the $652 million question, I just pulled that number out of my head in Washington, D.C.
right now, Is who is the source the Washington Post is reporting on that is still working with the Mueller case that apparently is so critical and so devastating to the case against Trump.
That the DOJ refuses to turn over the name.
Now, the Wall Street Journal has a piece about this this morning.
Listen to yesterday's show for a little background on it.
The Washington Post had a story about it the day before, which is in yesterday's show notes.
I even titled yesterday's show, Who's the Source?
Some lady sent me an email.
She goes, I think you're being overly dramatic.
No, I'm not.
That's just me.
That's just me every day.
Who's the source?
Now, the opening line of the piece says the source is an American citizen.
There is a reason I didn't address that yesterday.
One of the reasons, folks, is the way this operation has worked the whole time is they've used, in some cases, American citizens as conduits from someone else.
That's why I didn't bring it up, because the source may be just a vehicle.
You get what I'm saying?
If I want to pass information to Joe and I do it through Paula, I'm the source.
It's not Paula.
Someone sent me an email.
It's an American citizen.
I get it.
I know.
I'm just not sure that that's the controversy, if you get what I'm saying.
The source is the big question right now.
Who is it?
Who is talking to the Mueller team?
And why is this name so controversial that it's going to damage foreign relationships?
Now, what I found interesting is the headline, Daily Beast Today.
Be in the show notes.
Read it.
It's a good piece.
Now we find out Mueller interviewed who?
Eric Prince.
I'm going to walk you through this.
It's not that complicated, but Joe, if I miss anybody, please stop me, right?
Eric Prince, if you remember the show a few weeks ago, Eric Prince is the former CEO of Blackwater.
He's not anymore.
Prince's sister, Betsy DeVos, is in the Trump cabinet.
She's the education secretary.
Prince is a very well-connected guy.
Eric Prince went on Breitbart News on a radio interview before the election and said some just explosive stuff, by any measure.
I mean legitimately explosive.
What he said was, That an investigation into New York, in the New York field office of the FBI with the NYPD, into Anthony Weiner, the disgraced congressman, uncovered Hillary Clinton emails and other disturbing stuff on his computer.
Because remember, Weiner's spouse, Huma Abedin, is Hillary Clinton's right-hand woman.
So Huma was sending emails to her home computer, which was controlled by Anthony Weiner.
The NYPD, in that texting case, because Weiner, the disgraced congressman, was sexting a underage woman, they found Clinton emails on the computer.
What Prince said in the Breitbart interview was explosive.
He said that the information was so disturbing that basically the DOJ got on a call with FBI in New York.
This is him.
I have the whole thing.
You have some of it?
That's what I'm looking for.
Oh, I got you.
Joe's looking for it, because I didn't prepare him for this at all.
It's alright.
Well, you know what?
Maybe we'll do it tomorrow, but it's important.
Okay, yeah, we do have it.
Yeah, the gist of what he said was it was so devastating, the material, that Loretta Lynch from the DOJ Insinuated some kind of a threat to make the case go away and said, listen, we're going to use a heavy hand on the Eric Garner case.
All you need to know is this, DOJ wanted to make the emails go away in New York because it gets overly complicated when you get into the details.
Are we tracking?
Loretta Lynch's DOJ Called up to New York FBI and the NYPD, and said at some point, or insinuated at some point, according to Prince, you better make that go away, what they found on Wiener's computer, because it's going to look bad for Hillary right before the election.
Not too complicated.
We'll play that tomorrow, the rest, because it's important.
But it's not really relevant to what I'm talking about now.
Now we find out, again, what's been my operating theory, folks.
Mueller's a smokescreen.
It's a bait-and-switch.
He's investigating people tied to the Clintons and the Trumps, but investigating them only for his ties to Trump to get these people to shut up about their ties to the Clintons.
Vexelberg, Pinchuk, people to... The Prince thing is critical.
Why is the Erik Prince thing critical?
Obviously he had some devastating information he claims to have had in that Breitbart interview about corruption within the DOJ and a pressure campaign put on the FBI in New York to make the Hillary emails go away.
That's devastating information.
Conveniently now, Mueller's interviewing Prince!
This is in today's news.
This is in an old story.
The Daily Beast article will be in the show notes.
What's Mueller doing interviewing Prince?
This guy's a private citizen!
He's not a government employee!
He's interviewing Prince over a meeting he had with a guy named Kirill Dmitriev.
Now, let me read to you about who represents Dmitriev.
Now, this is important.
Follow me here.
This is critical, mind-blowing, scrambled eggs information.
Prince, who has devastating information about Hillary and Loretta Lynch, says it on Breitbart News.
He's now being interviewed by Mueller.
I'm telling you this is a shut-your-mouth tactic.
I know it.
Keep that guy quiet.
He's being investigated by Mueller apparently for a meeting with a guy named Kirill Dmitriev who runs the Russian Direct Investment Fund.
It is an investment fund with government ties in Russia that's currently under sanction by the United States government.
Kirill Dmitriev was also the firm, the Russian direct investment firm, this is according to Salon.com, a left-leaning website for all you media matters goons that call all this stuff conspiracy theories.
Call out Salon, not me.
Joe, Kirill Dmitriev, a reporter, Michael Isikoff notes that two of the Clinton lobbyist bundlers Richard Sullivan and David Jones are principals in a firm that until late last year represented the Russia Direct Investment Fund, a sovereign wealth fund co-founded by Vladimir Putin when he was prime minister.
So Prince is meeting with a guy representing a Putin economic tool, the Russian Direct Investment Fund, who was also represented by two Clinton bundlers.
Again, you think this was a setup?
You think nobody in the Clinton sphere knew about this meeting with Prince that now Mueller's investigating now for collusion?
What's even more interesting, who else was at that meeting?
George Nader.
Is George Nader the source?
George Nader's a U.S.
citizen.
George Nader was at that meeting between Prince, who had negative information on Loretta Lynch and Hillary, The Russian direct investment fund manager there, Dmitriyev, who was represented by Clinton bundlers, who works with Putin.
The other guy at the meeting is Nader.
Is Nader the source?
Who's representing Nader right now?
Because Nader, according to multiple press reports, by the way, folks, You think I'm making this up?
Here's why I'm saying, is he the source?
Here's some information I have for you.
This is from a piece, I think this was at the Intercept, I think.
What Prince didn't note was that Lebanese-American businessman George Nader also attended the meeting, according to the Post, the meeting with the Russian Dmitry.
The paper reported that Nader is now cooperating with the special counsel probe and has met with investigators numerous times.
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!
Is Nader the source they're hiding?
Who's representing Nader?
Obama's lawyer.
I knew it.
Catherine Rumler.
I knew it!
You believe that?
Obama, literally, Obama's White House lawyer, Catherine Rumbler, is representing George Nader right now, who is, we know, according to the reporting that's already out there, has been working with investigators on this case.
Folks, Obama's lawyers are- this is- this is so obviously a setup.
This is so transparently a setup that you have to- you have to do an Oedipus thing and stab your eyeballs out to not see it.
There's no other way- Vexelberg, Pinchuk, Prince, all people targeted.
All people targeted from the start away, connections to the Clintons, they need to either shut up or frame in a Russian collusion fairy tale.
Now, Obama's lawyer is representing a source.
What's also interesting about Obama's lawyer, Katherine Rummler, who's representing Nader, follow me here, this is critical.
Who is she best buds with?
Andrew Weissman.
Bob Mueller's number one bulldog in the special counsel investigation.
How do they know each other?
They worked together on the Enron task force when they prosecuted Enron and Andy Weissman was on that task force.
So let me get this straight.
Andrew Weissman Who worked with Kathy Rumler and knows her.
Kathy Rumler was Obama's lawyer in the White House.
Is representing a source cooperating with the Mueller team to investigate a guy for a meeting he had with a Russian connected to Clinton bundlers?
And is investigating him because, potentially, because he had information negatively reflecting on Loretta Lynch and the Clintons before the election?
Sounds entirely legit, folks!
Nothing to see here!
Does that make sense, Daddy-O?
Yeah.
Now, what's the motive for the Russian, by the way?
This is the new piece of news I have for you.
I'm sorry, I'm running out of time.
I may dig into this a little more tomorrow, because I have another angle, too.
But this is important.
What's the angle for the Russian, Kirill Dmitriev, or his company?
Well, I can't speak for the Russians specifically.
In other words, why would Dmitry have meet with a guy who had negative information about Loretta Lynch and Hillary Clinton, Eric Prince, and why would Nader be there as kind of like the fixer of the thing while he's being represented by Obama's lawyer?
Because it was a setup for Prince.
That's why.
But what's the motive for the Russian?
Joe, the Russian direct investment fund that Dmitry have represented, Their parent company is a bank, a Russian bank, VEB.
VEB was the unofficial cover for a Russian spy who was prosecuted in 2016.
Remember the names?
That Russian spy was Yevgeny Biryakov.
Remember the Buryakov case?
Who was the government informant for the FBI who helped prosecute Yevgeny Buryakov?
Oh, Carter Page!
Carter Page!
The subject of the FISA warrant investigation by the FBI.
Carter Page, backbencher Trump campaign team member who was targeted by the FBI as a Russian spy despite the fact that he was the informant who locked up the guy, provided information to the FBI to lock up a spy whose cover, you know, the cover meaning their backstory, you know, you don't put people in the United States and say they're a spy.
His cover was provided by the bank that's the parent company For the investment fund represented by the Russian who met with Eric Prince at this meeting where Obama's lawyer's client was present.
Do you believe this crap?
You believe it?
You believe what I'm telling you?
So you may say, well I don't get the motive.
Maybe the motive for the Russians and their company there, VEB, that had gotten stung by Carter Page.
Carter Page provided information.
Remember, Carter Page is a Trump team campaign member for a while.
Maybe the motive, because Page provided information that led to the arrest and prosecution of Buryakov, who was provided cover by the Russian bank.
Maybe the motive.
Because they love mutually assured intelligence destruction, the Russians, was to get back at Carter Page and the Trump team for that.
Folks, the connections here are downright frightening.
They are.
They're terrifying.
I got more on this tomorrow.
Maybe I'll walk through it a little bit slower, but does that make sense?
One last time, I'll leave you with this.
The Mueller thing's a smokescreen.
It's a bait-and-switch.
Investigate people tied to the Clintons and the Trumps and the Trump team, but only hit them for the Trump thing.
That way they shut up about all the negative stuff they did with the Clintons.
It's entirely a smokescreen.
This investigation will not stop.
They hit Pinchuk, who's connected to the Clintons.
Vexelberg's connected to the Clintons, but they only hit them for stuff they're doing with Trump so far.
Prince and Nader.
They have to set up the Trump team.
They use Prince.
They have him meet with a Russian who's connected to Clinton bundlers.
That Russian works for a bank that provided cover for a spy that a Trump team member, Carter Page, got locked up by providing information.
The FBI then turns around and targets Carter Page as a potential spy himself and uses him and uses Nader, who's now a source we know from reporting to the Mueller team, to go and hit the Trump team and report on a meeting they had with Russians.
It's all making sense now.
All right, folks, I got another cool angle on this tomorrow and some other great stories, of course.
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