Wade Searle exposes Christopher Hale's alleged PSYOP to fracture Catholic unity, detailing how the former Obama staffer fabricated stories about Cardinal Pierre and Senator Rubio to push Catholics toward Kamala Harris. Despite denials from the Vatican and Pentagon, Hale's "Catholics for Harris" group leverages disinformation funded by George Soros' Open Society Institute to create voting confusion. Ultimately, this strategy backfires as devout Christians increasingly unite against a secular establishment perceived as hostile to their faith, viewing Hale as an existential threat to both Catholics and Protestants. [Automatically generated summary]
Christopher Hale, the man pushing this lie, also pushed a story in April claiming Pentagon official Elbridge Colby has threatened Cardinal Pierre in a 2026 meeting, which turned out to be fake.
Now, you know, granted, a lot of people have probably seen stuff from Christopher Hale and they're just not entirely sure what to make of him.
Maybe you could give people a quick intro of who you are, what you do, and sort of what this whole saga is really about and what it says about this current moment we're in.
I'm a 23 year old recent Catholic convert who works for LifeSite News as their media and Pentagon correspondent.
So, Christopher Hale, a lot of people have seen him on Twitter, and he sort of presents himself as this well meaning and legitimate Catholic journalist who's just presenting the facts about MAGA and about their treatment of Catholics and about how Catholic the MAGA movement really is.
And of course, he paints this in a negative light.
He tries to agitate Catholics against the MAGA movement.
And so you can do some cursory digging into who this guy really is, but I think it's important first to point out the stories that he's pushed recently, right?
So last week, just before Marco Rubio met with Pope Leo, he claimed that Marco Rubio is Mormon.
And so this tweet blew up because, of course, you can just Google this information.
Marco Rubio is not Mormon, he's Catholic.
Marco Rubio attended a Mormon church in his teenage years.
So he was Mormon for a little bit and then converted to Catholicism and attends a Catholic church.
So, Marco Rubio is Catholic.
Obviously, that's just like straight up disinformation.
And of course, when he's pushed on this, everyone in the replies is saying, This just like blatantly isn't true.
He says, Oh, well, like, read my Substack to find out like my full, you know, here's the link.
Here's the link to all my socials, and you can find my full analysis on Marco Rubio.
This is the same guy who, back in April, was pushing this big story your audience may remember, where Cardinal Pierre met with Pentagon official Elbridge Colby.
And they were meeting over the war in Iran.
And there was this big report that Elbridge Colby threatened the Vatican, threatened Cardinal Pierre, and said the Vatican better support what Trump is doing in Iran, basically, or else.
And it turned out, you know, so this story blows up.
The mainstream media covers this.
This is one of Hale's most viewed tweets.
This is one of his most viewed threads and stories.
This is a huge claim to fame for him this year.
And it turns out later, the entire story is fake.
Like this just never happened, the thread never happened.
The Holy See denies this.
Cardinal Pierre denies this.
They all say that the meeting was tense, but it was cordial and there was no threats made, nothing like that.
The Pentagon denies this.
And so it comes out after the fact.
After all the views roll in, after he gets the Twitter payout, after this lie essentially spreads around the country, suddenly the truth comes out.
But of course, in the current media space we're in, the truth does not spread as fast as these lies.
It takes absurdly and exponentially more energy to disprove a lie.
Than it does to tell a good one.
And so, what Christopher Hale does is he pushes just straight up falsehoods that sort of, and there's two goals here.
And this is important for people to remember.
One of the goals, of course, is to align and confuse Catholics.
So, misalign and confuse Catholics.
So, a lot of Catholics, unfortunately, a lot of cradle Catholics are not really well catechized into the faith.
For example, 70% of cradle Catholics think that the Eucharist is merely symbolic.
Whereas it actually has based on Protestantism, Christ has real presence in the Eucharist and Christ is truly present in the Eucharist.
He said that he wanted to give Catholics permission structures to vote for Harris.
So a lot of Catholics are like, you know, Harris supports abortion.
Isn't that against the Catholic faith?
And so they would be correct.
And so Christopher Hale's goal here is to misalign and confuse Catholics into basically supporting the Democrat agenda.
He's trying to twist Catholic doctrine in a way where Catholics who maybe don't know their faith as well, maybe can't defend it as well in their minds or to their friends.
Can be sort of convinced, you know, maybe I can vote for Kamala Harris.
Maybe I can vote for these pro abortion Democrats.
Yeah.
Or maybe I can just stay home.
You know, I see that Marco Rubio is this Mormon who hates the Pope and the Pentagon's threatening the Vatican and they hate my faith.
Well, maybe I'll just stay home, you know?
And so this is, of course, his goal.
But who actually is Christopher Hale, right?
This is the important part.
So he worked for the Obama Biden White House and campaign.
And then he went on to run for Congress and obviously failed.
But it's important to note in his congressional platform, he had a section on his website, which is still up, where it says, you know, this is his position, official position on choice.
By the way, he ran as a pro life Democrat, but this is his official position on choice.
Roe v. Wade was a monumental decision that guaranteed women the fundamental right of reproductive choice.
I'll defend that right wholeheartedly in Congress.
The Democrats have been losing Republicans, or the Democrats have been losing Catholics, and they've completely lost the white Catholic vote now.
And it's been trending more and more Republican over time, especially with non white Catholics.
They've been breaking hard for Republicans recently.
In 2008, Republicans only won 30% of non white Catholics.
Now it's 40%.
In 2008, Democrats won 43% of white Catholics.
Now they're only winning 35%.
The amount of Catholics who are voting Democrat is shrinking and shrinking.
And I think what Christopher Hale and other Democrat, Catholic, liberal media apologists have sort of realized is that there's really no way to convince the majority of Catholics to vote Democrat.
And so now the goal is to confuse Catholics and at least trick them into no longer supporting MAGA.
And this sets them up for 2028 in a big way.
If you'll notice, these people fixate.
On JD Vance and Marco Rubio.
And so they say, you know, any statement that JD Vance makes about the Pope, they say that, oh, this guy hates the Pope.
This guy isn't a Catholic.
You know, look at his book.
The cover of his book is actually a Methodist church.
And so this means he's not a true Catholic.
This means he's deceiving all of us.
His conversion wasn't legitimate.
And now I think they don't really know yet what to do with Marco Rubio.
Yeah.
Christopher Hale said that Marco Rubio's meeting with Pope Leo was icy.
Because there was one picture where Leo wasn't smiling when they met, or something, just like the biggest stretch ever.
And also, he's pushing that Rubio is Mormon.
So I think they don't really know what to do with Rubio, but clearly the goal here is to paint early as they can Vance and Rubio as anti Catholic.
I think they're making an early play to confuse Catholics about Vance and Rubio as we head into 2028.
And this is why I'm so glad you're sounding the alarm bell on it.
Because I mean, look, I was making this point when that initial Elbridge Colby.
Story blew, which, first of all, like I know I don't know him personally, I know of Elbridge Colby, but I know people that work in fairly close proximity to him.
I hope I'm not blowing up their spot here.
But when that article came out, I was texting a few of them, I was like, Guys, like, what's going on here?
I was one guy was like, I was in the room, that didn't happen.
Um, right, beyond that, I think I'm glad you're sending the alarm bell because you know, at that time, people were saying, Well, you're really roughing up on Catholics.
And my point was that I was trying to make at least was.
You know, there's so much vitriol targeted towards evangelicals, even towards like more mainline Protestants.
And they're saying, well, they're so susceptible to ops.
You know, like obviously there's been a lot of influence from like the Christian Zionist wing within the broader kind of Christian apparatus.
And they're saying, well, you know, they're able to just swindle evangelicals to keep them supporting Israel.
And that is broadly true.
But my point was, all of Christianity is getting attacked and swayed by ops all of the time because when that initial story broke out, you did see a lot of prominent Catholic.
People come out and they were like, see, this is proof that, you know, MAGA is anti Catholic.
We have no place in this country.
And they just basically out of themselves as part of like a fifth column.
Like right away, all it took was one fake story.
What I think was going on is they already hated Trump for various other reasons.
And they were just waiting for an opportunity to be able to justify it by saying, it's because I'm a devout Catholic.
That's what my post to MAGA.
Because if you look at the bigger picture and you ask most normal Catholics, you know, not terminally online Catholics, they're just like, yeah, I don't know.
Trump got Roe v. Wade overturned.
So, Yeah, he's got my vote.
I mean, that's like a really big issue for me.
I mean, obviously, the pro life movement in the United States, the engine room has been Catholics, about Catholics.
And so, if you talk to those people, they're like, yeah, why would I vote for the party that wants to over, you know, reinstitute all of the problems that came with Roe v. Wade?
I'll go with the candidate that at least puts up a fight.
So, I remember when all that happened and people were like, yeah, you're really right.
But my point was no, all devout Christians in the West in 2026 are devout in spite of their institutions, not because of it.
Because, again, at the institutional level, there's so much pressure put on sort of their devout, you know, actual believers.
And, you know, I hear this all the time from, you know, I'm a I'm a Protestant, but I hear this all the time.
The majority of my friends in DC are Catholic, which is well reported on.
The Washington Post talked about it that there's a big swing in Catholicism among conservatives in DC.
And they always talk about, like, I have a lot of trouble finding a traditional Latin mass.
And if I try to take the communion on the tongue rather than in my palm, they'll like, one guy, one of my buddies is saying, I tried to kneel to take it on the tongue and the priest slapped me.
So it's like there's a lot of institutional pressure to break this.
Conservative strain.
The problem is, and I think this is partially why Catholics are swinging so hard to the Republican Party, is because most Catholics that are liberal or ambivalent are just leaving the church because we have seen that every strain of Christianity in the United States is losing membership.
And I think what's happening is all of these churches, Catholic, Protestant, you name it, are just becoming more conservative because the devout ones are staying.
They're the ones that are saying, No, I believe this.
This is true.
I believe this is true.
I'm staying.
I'm not going anywhere.
So by default, it's shifting these institutions, at least the actual.
Body of believers more to the right, therefore, they're going to vote Republican at a higher rate.
You're right, and the data supports that the less often that a Catholic goes to mass, the more likely that Catholic is to vote Democrat, and that sort of scales with age, but particularly with young people.
Yeah, if they attend mass weekly, they are much more likely to be conservative, they're much more likely to vote Republican in America, and if they only go every few months, or maybe if they don't go at all, almost all of that group is Democrat, and of course, they become.
All groups become more conservative as they get older, and the data shows that.
But I think it's interesting.
You know, there's this particular attempt to sort of like negatively polarize Catholics into joining the Democrat Party.
I think it's really not working because Catholics know what the Democrat Party is.
Like, this is the party of third trimester abortions, this is the party of child sex changes, this is the party where everybody is transgender, right?
And so Harris runs.
Harris does horribly with Catholics, like, historically bad with Catholics.
And it's because Catholics saw what the Biden administration was like, right?
The Biden administration, there were text messages revealing the SET investigation where two Biden DOJ lawyers were planning to prosecute Catholic nuns that wear traditional veils.
And they literally said, I'd like to prosecute any nun that still wears the head habit.
And it's like, you know, this is clearly not a party that is friendly to Catholics.
This is the administration, the Biden administration monitored a traditional priest and his family, opened a profile in his entire church.
There was an FBI memo that came out using the SPLC as a source that said traditional Latin Mass Catholics and their communities were hotbeds for terrorism and extremism.
And I'll tell you something, Tay, I go to a traditional Latin Mass.
And when I go to a traditional Latin Mass, it's the most beautiful Mass I've ever seen.
And when I look around, I do not see terrorists, I do not see extremists.
I see strong fathers who care for their families and protect their families.
Who love their children and care for their children.
I see a lot of young people.
I see a lot of young men who love Jesus and they love their country.
I see a lot of young women.
And this is not acceptable for Democrats to be antagonizing Catholics like this and then lying to their face.
What Christopher Hale is doing is he is insulting the intelligence of every Catholic, spitting in their face and saying, You should vote for the party that literally wants to throw you in jail, maybe worse, maybe kill you for your faith.
And I don't think Catholics are falling for it.
And I don't think they should.
So, yeah, people should be aware who this guy is.
People should be aware generally of this op that is taking place among liberal Catholics in the media who are trying to trick you.
When you see a post, you almost never see a post from Catholic media that does not have an agenda behind it.
And beyond that, Christopher Hale is specifically, and sort of his cohort, I do think there's other people that kind of would classify similarly to him.
They're doing this weird thing where they're taking on almost like the animating aesthetics of a trad cath, in so far as chest beating over the pope and that sort of thing, but not actually having any of the policies that you would expect to see from a more traditional Catholic.
And what I mean by that is, again, when Trump was sort of exchanging blows in the media with Pope Leo, they were coming out and they were saying, This is an attack on the pope by proxy.
This is an attack on all Catholics.
All base trad caths rise.
We're going to start a new crusade and take out Trump.
And you're like, What is going on?
Are you new around here?
Like, this is how the United States has always been.
And it's like, yeah, first of all, every Catholic is aware of that when they come to the United States.
Like they're not under the impression that this is like some base trad Catholic country.
Like they're very aware that it's the nativist sentiments, how they have existed.
But I think what's going on here is I think the first thing is part of the reason that Catholics and Protestants increasingly so have been able to sort of link shields is because.
The secularism in the United States has risen so much that any nativist sentiment that existed, we're just looking around like, I don't know, we disagree on the Eucharist and a variety of other theological points, but generally we want the same thing.
These people want to basically kill us.
So maybe we'll put the sectarianism aside until after we win.
Then we can like re litigate the Reformation or something.
But you have this like segment of people, it's Christopher Hale types, but then also there's other, I would say, subversive elements who are like wanting to basically re litigate the Reformation.
Right now, when I don't know if I had to ballpark maybe 20% of the population is actually like devout Christian of any stripe, it's like, what are we doing here?
And the unifying factor is this they are attacking us fundamentally for our love for Jesus.
They're attacking us because we follow the teachings of Christ and because we read our Bibles.
That is what unites Protestants and Catholics our love for the faith, our love for Christ.
Yeah.
And that's what they're attacking us for.
You know, when they jail all these pro life activists, when the Biden administration jailed these pro life activists who are peacefully praying outside of Planned Parenthood, they're not like checking what denomination they are.
And then Christopher Hale, specifically, I mean, not to rehash it, but he's literally like a DNC apparatchik.
Like, this guy on the face is just someone you just shouldn't listen to.
Now, what I'm thankful for is, okay, I'll caveat this by saying there's not really any such thing as a normie oracle anymore.
Like, typically, when there's a big political story, people will say, well, I was talking to one of my friends who's a total normie, and he disagrees with your point as to say, like, oh, you know, the people that touch grass disagree with you.
I don't think that's true anymore.
I think everyone in the entire country kind of is affected by the political zeitgeist, even online.
But what is true is, again, if you were to scroll your timeline, you'd be under the impression that Catholics were all like totally agreeing with Christopher Hale and they're like, no, this is Trump is evil and hates me or whatever.
When you speak to, again, just normal Catholic people that do have Twitter accounts, but they're not like obsessing over the For You page, they're just like, yeah, I mean, I have some criticism, sure.
Like, you know, I do like the Pope, but why on earth would I vote for the party that, yeah, like to your point, jails pro life activists, wants to expand abortion to like post birth in some cases?
I mean, it's like, Very obvious what's going on here.
Not necessarily that they don't know what's going on, but it's just they're not convinced that Trump is like this Oliver Cromwell regen.
And I think, I don't know, maybe you disagree with this.
I'm not sure.
I feel like Matt Walsh is like a good yardstick to determine like how the average cradle Catholic feels because he just came out when this whole sag was going.
He's like, I don't know, I think.
Pope Leo's wrong on this.
He's like, I don't believe every single statement he ever makes is infallible.
Like, that's not Catholic dogma.
So I don't know why people are behaving.
Because, you know, when I would debate some of my Catholic friends, they would reliably inform me that, you know, the majority of statements from the Pope is not, you know, ex cathedra.
It's not binding.
It's not infallible.
But then all of a sudden, this, you know, rift occurs between Vance, Trump, and the Pope.
And then all of a sudden, all of these like leftist Catholics are like, actually, no, all of a sudden, everything the Pope says is infallible.
And I'm like, you guys can't even keep your stories.
Like, you know, Trump and his administration are pro IVF.
I'm heavily against that as a pro lifer and as a Catholic.
You know, I'm not too thrilled about the war.
I don't think a lot of Catholics are either.
But it's like, you know, you look on the other side, you look on the alternative, and it's like, okay, with Trump, I'm going to disagree with him on a few things.
With Biden and Harris, they're going to like put me in jail for attending a traditional Latin mass.
They think I'm a domestic terrorist if I prefer the Latin one.
Do you think, you know, because we are sort of, Coming down to the wire here.
Do you think his op is having any success?
I mean, you're a lot more tapped into Catholic circles than I am.
Do you think people are responding to you that?
Do you think that fake news did poison the well enough where people will be considering these things, you know, devout Catholics heading into, you know, the next midterm cycle and even the next presidential election?
What tends to happen is the Democrats always fall on their own sword, right?
And so, even though if, like, narratively they make a few wins and they kind of like confuse a few Catholics along the way, it's always election season when the number one issue Democrats run on is abortion, right?
And so, every Catholic who's maybe like tapped a little out of politics, they just like scroll the news occasionally, they see it's like, okay, your two options are, uh, Dan, who is like a Christian and has a wife and kids, and then like a black trans person who wants to kill every baby in a 500 mile radius.
And I feel like kind of the thing, and, you know, again, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think the key thing that's happening here, why we're seeing that change, is because I think Catholicism.
In 2026, has fully, and I'm using this word precisely here, fully assimilated into American folkways insofar as prior to maybe the 1990s, Catholicism was still seen as like a minority identification.
So even if you were like an Irish Catholic from Boston, you hadn't been to Mass in years, if someone asked you, you'd be like, Yeah, I'm a Catholic because what else is there to identify as?
But now that Catholicism has really just sort of integrated into the American folkways, like no one, when they hear Catholic, assumes you're like, I don't know, an immigrant or Irish or something.
Now liberal Catholics have permission to no longer identify as Catholic because Catholicism as a culture is no longer integral to their self identification.
It's just now a religion, as is if you're a Presbyterian or a Methodist or Baptist or something like that.
And, um, yeah, I think when we win, and I think when our win is so overwhelming that there's no chance of the left coming back into power.
Then I think we can be free to, you know, re litigate all of this and debate these things.
But as it stands right now, yeah, when I'm looking across the aisle and it's like, okay, yeah, we disagree on like, I don't know, transubstantiation and like papal and, you know, authority or something.
And then, yeah, you look across the other side of the aisle and they're like, yeah, I don't know if we're going to kill you or maybe just torture you first.
Like, we're not entirely sure.
We're still weighing that out.
I'm like, okay, I think it's kind of obvious who my ally is here and who, like, I'm very similar to and who is my threat.
Like, people just have a really bad friend enemy distinction.
I think that's fundamentally what this comes down to.
I think people need to, conservative Catholics need to see people like Christopher Hale as the enemy.
It's like I have less in common with him than I have with you.
Even though we're from different denominations, clearly, Christopher Hale, if he were in power, if he had full control over the United States government, I would probably fear for my safety.
I don't think I would feel the safest attending traditional Latin mass.
I don't think I would feel the safest practicing my faith.
If you ruled the entire nation, I think I would feel a lot safer.
And so it's just sort of that idea is like, yeah, the friend enemy distinction, as you were talking about.
That was awesome to finally get him on because, yeah, I don't know if you guys remember last week.
We wanted to bring him on when this his thread was first going around of like how obvious this op is.
And, uh, yeah, absolutely.
I think he's one of the best.
I think he's fantastic.
And, um, yeah, it's just kind of hilarious that the Democrats really just are scrambling and they're trying to effectively rope Catholics back into their coalition by.
Promoting tribalism and like rage baiting.
It's really obvious what's going on here.
So, with that, thank you very much for watching.
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