Housing Prices Are RADICALIZING Gen Z | The Culture War's Across The Pond
Special guest Nathan Halberstadt joins Tate and Connor to break down why runaway housing prices have pushed so many Zoomers into despair. disengagement, and blackpilling. From impossible homeownership and stagnant wages to the feeling that the system is rigged, they explain how the housing crisis is reshaping an entire generation's outlook on work, family, and the future. They also dig into how immigration policy, population pressure, and rapid cultural change intersect with housing scarcity, and why many young people feel they're being asked to accept permanent decline. The conversation zooms out to the broader sense of cultural decay, lost social trust, and why optimism is collapsing among the young, and what is driving the renewed interest in Christianity among Gen Z. BUY CAST BREW COFFEE TO SUPPORT THE SHOW - https://castbrew.com/ Become A Member And Protect Our Work at http://www.timcast.com Hosts: Tate Brown @realTateBrown (everywhere) Connor Tomlinson @Con_Tomlinson (everywhere) Guest: Nathan Halberstadt @NatHalberstadt (X) My Second Channel - https://www.youtube.com/timcastnews Podcast Channel - https://www.youtube.com/TimcastIRL
I mean, when I saw this topic jump up on the timeline, it had to be Halbs.
Had to be Halbs.
So I'm just going to jump in here.
I'm going to read.
This was a headline that dropped this week.
It instigated quite interesting discourse.
The boomers and Zoomers went at it again.
This happens like every three months.
This was the headline.
Gen Z has cut down on their effort at work because they do not think it is worth it if they cannot afford long-term financial calls per YF.
So obviously, there's been this big rift between boomers and Zoomers.
Pretty much as soon as Zoomers could talk, this discourse started in which Zoomers are saying, look, I'm looking towards the future.
All of these promises that were made to me, this inheritance that I was supposed to receive is no longer there.
Therefore, I'm going to blackpill.
Therefore, I'm going to check out.
Housing prices are through the roof.
Unemployment is super high.
And when I do get a degree, I don't even feel like I can get a job that would utilize my degree.
I don't think I'm going to get married.
I can't even riz up women anymore.
Like, where are the hose at has become a very salient question for the Zoomer Patriot-sensitive young patriot males.
There's just a variety of issues that are causing Zoomers to blackpill.
I don't know what you guys think of this.
What your consensus is, what your reaction is to the discourse.
Do the boomers have a point?
Are the Zoomers just inherently flawed?
Or maybe do the Zoomers have a point?
The boomers are selfish and pull the ladder up behind them?
Or is the truth somewhere in the middle?
I want to first ask Connor for his take, and then Nathan, you can give us the correct take and just lay out all the data and probably provide some graphs like you typically do.
Well, first of all, I know that you have far too large a harem of eagles to really engage in the question of where the hose at.
So this is truly a 1% male problem.
I remember the Sigma Male Grindset meme going around a few years ago and everyone, of course, lionizing the aesthetics of Patrick Bateman.
And now it is not in vogue to dedicate your entire life to having your personal life be cannibalized by working away, whether it's day trading or slaving in a giant corporate, having most of your hours dedicated to filling out spreadsheets for corporations that are lobbying politicians to replace you with your cheaper counterparts from India and Africa.
And I think a lot of people are realizing that there's no use engaging in the pull yourself up by your bootstraps boomer promise that you can work 30 years at a corporation, retire in your 60s with a golden watch and have the white picket fence and a large family on a single income because since before we were born, we've been indebted and flooded with third world dependents that are not just changing our culture, but also pricing us out of jobs and housing.
This is the work that Nathan's done.
This is the stuff that I brought up in the recent rhetorical kerfuffle with Ben Shapiro appearing on trigonometry saying, Well, if you can't afford to live in the city you were born into, you know, just move.
And at the same time, while insisting his comments are taken out of context, he was supporting H-1B visas, which is exploited for like mid-level jobs and startup firms and big tech corporations, where your average white-collar, decently educated white guy would have got his start a few years ago and built his role up in a corporation, but is now inaccessible to him.
And so, this is behind, I think, a lot of gender dispossession.
And I think it cuts both towards men and women because while men are being legally, systemically, and culturally discriminated against by feminine institutions, but also anti-discrimination laws and equalities legislation, the Civil Rights Act in the US, the Equalities Act, the Companies Act in the UK, there's also this burnout that Zuma women keep expressing, this kind of existential rage on TikTok by saying that they don't feel safe commuting to their cities,
regardless of which permissive migration policies and criminal justice policies they may vote for.
God bless them.
They don't enjoy their work.
They don't feel it's meaningful.
They feel alienated from their jobs and their roles and their social circles.
And their job tires them out so much, they don't have time to date or socialize.
And so you get this kind of existential angst being expressed on social media by women who think it's a good idea to film their mental breakdown.
However, we should have sympathy for them because this isn't how men and women are meant to interact.
It's not how we're meant to live.
And so Gen Z have kind of realized that the ladder's been pulled up for them.
There's no use continuing to give more and more of your life and energy to something that isn't paying dividends.
And so checking out is actually the reasonable response after a certain point.
Also, I'll just add that I was talking with a VC, let's say, previously based, I won't say where based, but the individual was probably coming from more of a libertarian type of background.
So not necessarily somebody who was really up, probably up to speed with a lot of the things that we think about and talk about.
And he pointed out to me that the percent of Americans that believe in capitalism still has been declining year over year, and it's much sharper in the younger generation.
And actually, we're hitting right about 50% of people who view capitalism positively.
And at the same time, so it's just like trending down of how you view capitalism.
This is a turbo boomer take, by the way.
So it's like doing like a libertarian capitalism so-so.
So forgive me here.
But then on the same time, actually, the views of socialism is like increasing in sort of its people's positive views towards it.
So I think nationally, it's approaching 40% positive view of socialism.
So we're actually approaching this convergence where the view of capitalism may actually dip below.
We're probably on trend for something like 2030 or something like that.
That's a crossover.
And then, of course, when you segment by demographics, of course, as we move into the sort of foreign demographic, they're generally much more pro-socialism.
And then actually, younger people are also much more pro-socialist.
I would argue for very different reasons.
So maybe this is me granting throwing a bone to the boomer and saying maybe it is kind of true, actually, to some extent that young people are like, they're a little bit more radical.
Maybe they don't believe in capitalism as much as you and like, you know, maybe as Warren Buffett did.
But then I think we have to ask why that is, of course.
Probably for the foreigners, for the migrants, it's resentment, right?
It's that they showed up here.
And I think that they resent colonization.
They resent sort of Westerners.
On the reverse, and I think for younger Americans, it's probably more of these economic problems that we talked about and cultural problems.
So some of the really basic stuff I won't pull up a graph.
I'm tempted to.
But basic stuff like the cost of home relative to a home, relative to your income, went from about two times to six times from the boomer generation to ours.
A 3x there is pretty meaningful, actually.
Median income to median home price.
And then, yeah, we talk about marriage rates and family formation and things like that.
And it's just like, let's just say for the average person who maybe just gets a skilled labor job or goes to a state school.
The probability of being able to really stick the landing by 25 is actually a lot lower than it used to be.
And so in those conditions, it's maybe hard to believe in capitalism in that scenario.
And so that pushes people maybe further to the right in some cases.
And then in other cases, it's like, where did Momdani come from?
Rokana.
I mean, I'm in SF right now.
I can't say too many negative things about it because I guess there are some good people here.
But maybe to say a few things about what's happening out here is, I mean, there's this wealth tax that's been proposed.
And it's going to tax unrealized gains.
And what that's going to do to even the founder ecosystem.
If you're a founder and you maybe have, let's say, paper gains, nice markups, maybe you raise a seed round, Series A, Series B, you now owe taxes on that, but it's not liquid.
You don't have any way to like, you might be worth $40 million on paper, but you might have $70,000 in your bank account.
And all of a sudden, you have to pay this massive tax bill.
That's like an extremely, that's just raw socialism.
That's like a very left wing, just like extracting wealth from people who are producing and investors, capitalists, and people who own production, essentially.
And anyway, I'd just say, that stuff is, I'm very pessimistic that that will actually pass into law and that that'll have like really negative consequences out in California.
And then out in New York, you have Momdani as well.
And I just think I see this as all kind of like the same story where it's like conservatives haven't had good solutions.
Libertarians haven't had good solutions.
Kind of the boomers failed, of course.
And we have serious problems and we do have to solve them.
For one, I love when Connor just casually dropped H-1B in his opening monologue and then Halberstadt, like the gorilla meme, just like looks up at the camera.
But there's so many different directions we could go.
I mean, I think it's important to hit on.
Again, this is going to be like a turbo boomer nuclear take, but like socialism is bad broadly.
It's not a controversial opinion in our sphere, especially here on the Temcash channel.
But the interesting thing is this isn't of the flavor.
This isn't the socialism of the flavor of sort of the Scandinavian, let's just try it and see if these redistributionist policies could work.
Because maybe there is something to be said about that.
Because, I mean, for the longest time, things were actually going quite well in Scandinavia to a degree in Canada as well.
But these things are predicated on favorable demographics.
It requires a degree of homogenization, a homogenous population that just doesn't exist anymore.
And so the socialism, the flavor that we're seeing with Gen Z is more of the flavor of vindictiveness, more of the flavor of retribution, which is why you get a Mamdani.
Because Mamdani is not a economics scholar who is just really convinced that if we get the certain policies in and get the stats right and the numbers down, we will create prosperity and generate prosperity for New Yorkers.
That's not really what he's going for.
His is quite literally more just based off of resentment.
And I think that gets at Zoomers generally.
Our politics generally, even on the right, is based on a degree of resentment.
I know that's like an unpopular take and unpopular opinion, but it's true.
And I would say in many ways, both right and left among Zoomers, they actually do kind of have the right to be resentful to a degree.
The problem is the left-wing Zoomers, their resentment is more channeled at the people that actually would create a prosperous civilization in the first place.
It's typically just, they just hate white people fundamentally.
That's where the resentment is stemming from.
Mabdani, et cetera, you name it.
They just tell you openly.
Where on the right, it's resentful more at the correct, you know, directed correctly, which is at this post-war consensus, this liberal regime, this idea of the blank slate that has just completely deracinated Zoomers.
I mean, again, there's a whole variety of different ways we can go with this topic, but a lot of people know for me, I really am interested in anthropology, specifically like religious anthropology.
And you're seeing among Zoomers this push into Catholicism.
And I think the reason that's happening is because Zoomer men, particularly Zoomer men, feel incredibly deracinated.
They feel incredibly sort of cut off from heritage, cut off from lineage, cut off from the roots.
And they see an institution that is ancient, that has sort of this clear, distinct connection to the past.
And they're like, this is like oxygen for them.
They can finally have something that is grounded, something that is real.
And so they jump into it with two feet.
And I think that's kind of what's going on is I think there are very few places for young men where they can feel connected to the past, where they can feel a sense of rootedness, because the modern man really is just cut off from the past.
And the problem with that is very obvious, is the past is always going to make claims on the present.
And boomers hate that.
Fundamentally, that is the biggest gripe boomers have is with the idea that the past will make claims on the present.
That is why, in a variety of ways, they are frustrated with Zoomers, because Zoomers are saying, like, no, we actually kind of like the restrictions that the past puts on us.
We actually don't like individualism because the problem with human nature is you do need guardrails to some degree.
You do need a sense of purpose.
And oftentimes, society is what prescribes purpose to your life.
It's very hard to expect people to just sort of pull purpose out of thin air.
That's why Zoomers are returning to Christianity broadly, is because it just prescribes you purpose.
This is what you're supposed to do.
Go do it.
That's very hard for Zoomers to just generate out of thin air.
Boomers inherited that.
Their parents actually did give them these sort of assignments, so to speak, and they bucked it.
They bucked it on purpose in favor of sort of pursuing individualism.
But it's very frustrating.
This whole debate started, at least the last time I remember seeing this discourse start was over Vivek and his disparaging, his disparagement of the term heritage Americans.
And what he was getting at was that, no, American.
Yeah, and then obviously he had his speech at Amphest where he's saying like, okay, well, Heritage American is not even a real thing.
Like American is defined by your ideology.
The problem with that for a variety of reasons is it just further contributes to the deracination of Zoomer men, Zoomer Americans specifically, because again, it just puts them back in the same position that's destroyed us in the first place is the situation where, hey, you're on your own, figure it out.
Whatever your calling is, just pursue your calling, man.
It's like one is it's hilarious, like Vivek, like back-to-back Christmas crash outs.
I can't wait for what 2026 has in store.
You know, you know, more could be said there.
But, you know, you mentioned, of course, these ideas around, let's say, like tradition.
And Chesterton has the famous quote: tradition is the democracy of the dead of the dead.
And I think that it's actually, that quote is particularly true and like a funny sort of, like, if you read it like very literally, like, the boomers were, you know, many of them are still alive, of course, but they, of course, were like fundamentally quite rebellious as a generation.
Of course, you could talk about like the 60s counterculture.
And I was out at, I was like out stopping for the Stanford Review two nights ago out here.
And you think about a place like Silicon Valley and the like places like Stanford, like what do you mean, UCLA, whatever, you know, broadly, California was, you know, sort of these technologists were this combination of like rebels, visionaries, and sort of like hippies.
But they were like, they rejected like every form of tradition.
You still sort of see it out here, actually.
Like people kind of, no, now I'm going to start attacking SF.
Like people dress like slobs, of course.
Even the way that they talk, it's very, like, sort of everything is like is like layers of subversion.
And this was like very much to like the boomer, the boomer generation sort of inherited.
So when people like, when Zoomers say, okay, you go to the Stanford Review, many of them are converts to Catholicism.
Like, why is that?
And it's that I think they're trying to like reach, they're trying to like leap over the boomers to the dead people that the boomers subverted.
It's like roughly how I would describe it.
And but otherwise, I just agree with everything that you said.
Carl Schmidt was correct when in his critique of Protestantism, he compared Catholicism to being quite literally rooted to the land and place and tradition.
Whereas he saw Protestantism as a seafaring ideology that was necessary in conquering the new world, but much like Max Weber drew connective tissue between Protestantism and then the American work ethic and then the ever-revolving dynamo of liberal capitalism which liquidates identities.
He saw that the rootlessness of that led to the human life being fed into the threshold of ever-growing technological progression and GDP generation.
And now we've got mass migration to keep the GDP growing so that they can bet the GDP figures against the debt they've already accumulated and will never pay back in order to pay for boomer entitlements like Medicaid and Social Security in your country or pensions and the NHS in my country.
And so we're, you know, we're just devouring the future of not just ourselves, but those who haven't been born yet.
And to do the book quote for tradition rather than Chesterton's, tradition is the thing that connects the living with those who have come before them and those not yet born.
Breaking the tradition allows you to mortgage off the futures of those not yet born or just to just to kill them in pursuit of your own personal hedonism.
The other thing that's connected to that as well is that you don't need the Protestant ethic or the secular version, which is limitless limbic capitalism where you're just working to basically goon in order to see that you there is a degree, and this is what the Catholics have recognized with things like distributism.
There is a degree of needing to own at least a subsistence level of property in order to have a stake in the land in order to continue your traditions and have a reason to participate in society.
And so when you have things like in my country, since 2015 to 2016, when the first years of the new student finance system came into effect, you've now got the impossibility of most people ever paying off their student finance because the interest on the student loan is higher than the average payments that are made.
So you have people making loads of payments as a kind of extra income tax all their lives, but then when they check their student finance, it's a larger loan than they originally started.
And the same thing happens in the US.
And this is what's turning a bunch of, especially women, like college-age women at the moment who got these nonsense degrees and now working in Starbucks to voting for the resentful socialism of Zoramandani, who just says, we're going to take rich white people's stuff and give it to you.
Or we're going to steal from homeowners.
And then, you know, his housing czar is quizzed on the fact that her mother owned this massive property and she breaks down in tears.
It's not about a coherent ideology.
It's not even about having the labor theory of value or the idea that expropriating property will have us all live in a kind of kumbaya.
John Lennon's imagine of infinite prosperity.
It's just, I have no stuff.
They have all the stuff.
I don't see a path to me getting stuff and I need stuff.
Otherwise, I don't feel like I belong in this civilization.
So give me the stuff now.
And if our politicians don't fix that problem by actually upsetting the entrenched boomer class for which they farm for votes, especially in my country, then they're going to have a revolution of various flavors on their hands.
And it doesn't take a genius to see that.
And the one thing I will raise, because Nathan will enjoy me mentioning H1Bs again, is Vivek in his piece, which ended up having to be retitled to, what was it, like Groyperism is not Americanism.
In his piece, he said, the solution to white guys realizing that every single other group has played identity politics successfully at their expense is not for them to engage on the same terms.
No, no, no.
Keep fighting with one hand behind your back.
And instead, we give to every child born in America, a very clever rhetorical trick there because Vivek is an Indian anchor baby.
We give them the chance to have X amount of stocks invested in Fortune 500 companies.
We give them a chance to have their own apartment.
And it's like, okay, even if you built enough affordable housing across the entire Rust Belt so that every single person could have a studio flat and a job filling in spreadsheets for InfoSyce, that still wouldn't solve the problem of belonging that is causing the existential angst of Gen Z in order to make them identify with the more concrete religions like Catholicism or rediscover their identity as English people or heritage Americans,
because they would still be packed cheek by jowl with scammers and social climbers from the Indian subcontinent.
So actually, it's as much a demographic and a identity issue as it is an economic issue.
And so we can fix all the economics and we need to, but you're still going to have that problem of feeling dispossessed in your own homeland and severed from your patrimony, even if Vivex is at farming American first pays off.
Well, it's bred this really pernicious combination among Zoomers of simultaneously being nihilist, but also being narcissists.
And it's a really, really grim combo.
That just completely grinds your soul up.
And I think why that's happening is the point that Connor made, or the multiple points Connor made, which is you need a sense of stake in the world to truly feel secure.
And what's happening with Zoomers is, as a lot of people have prescribed, especially on TikTok, is Zoomers all have main character syndrome.
And what that means is, I guess, in short, is they believe that, look, my only way I'm going to leave a mark on this world is by doing something big.
And that's going to be by being an influencer of some sort, because that seems for Zoomers to be the only avenue in which you can feel like you're taking up space in the world, to feel like you're possessing space in the world that you're, again, leaving a mark in any meaningful way.
Because that really is the only avenue that allows you to have your name put somewhere to, again, feel like I existed.
I've proof that I existed on this earth.
And that's because, again, we can't own property.
Like, most Zoomers have just given up on that.
There's data point after data point just indicating that most Zoomers are literally convinced they're never going to be their property.
So they don't feel like they're ever going to have physical stake in this world.
And then also, they don't feel like their heritage or their identity is going to have stake in this world because, again, they've flooded the place with third worlders.
So it's like they look around and it's like, is my culture even going to last another generation?
Are my kids just going to experience the same thing I did where I look around and who I am, what my identity as an American is going to be reflected in the environment around me.
And it's just breeding this really horrific sort of, I guess, ethos for lack of bedwork among Zoomers where they're like, well, if my identity is not going to be reflected in this world, there's going to be no memory of me.
And if I'm not going to leave a physical stake in the world, I'm not going to leave any inheritance behind for my children.
There's going to be no physical recollection of who I was on this planet.
So that only leaves me with one avenue, which is, you know, like the influencer thing.
So again, just leave my stake somehow in the culture through entertainment and these sorts of things.
And that's what's really breeding this main character syndrome.
One of the, so Tate, you and Connor, you guys both do an excellent job with all of your, you know, let's say all your like public facing communication and such, but, you know, there have to be other pathways for people to leave a mark, right?
We need more, let's say, Zoomers have the ambition to, you know, maybe become like a great doctor, come back to their hometown, like, you know, really excellently serve their community and then end up with, let's say, like the school being named after them after they like coached the team for this long and gave this money and whatever else.
And like increasingly, that's not the ambition of like the Gen Z individual, despite that being probably like in the 20s and 30s, what an ambitious person would aim for.
And that's, you know, that stuff is really fundamentally pro-civilizational behavior.
And like everybody's sort of trying to go viral on TikTok or maybe dabbling in looks maxing or trying to mog online is like probably not probably not healthy for us or you know or for future generations.
I really want to steer this towards the towards the H-1B.
It's like I thank you both for like teaming this up, like you know, teaming this up.
But no, really, I actually, I want to lead this historian from the late 20th century.
And it's Helen Horowitz, and she was a professor across like a number of different sort of Ivy League and adjacent universities.
So this really interesting, let's say, sort of way of organizing campus life.
And I think it relates actually what we're seeing in America right now.
And she essentially categorizes students and she wrote mostly in like the 80s on this topic.
She categorized students into three groups.
The first is college men.
This would be traditionally, it'd be like fraternity, ROTC, kind of like traditionally even like WASPs.
And then the second would be the sort of rebels, which I mentioned as relates to like, this is probably more of like the Vietnam War protester type or even like the Silicon Valley type, like sort of subverting the core.
And then the third would be like the outsider grind.
And this would include, you know, again, sort of like very low status, low class type individuals who may be sort of climbing through going to college.
And there's always sort of a place for that.
And you could even like point to examples like Hamilton, right?
Of course, who very, you know, sort of low background, but really he would have been sort of in that category, but made it through these sorts of institutions.
But then finally, like, you know, what's really important to note is that like foreigners are all in that category, and especially like foreign students and H-1Bs.
And I think that that heuristic actually applies like broadly to our civilization.
It's like really what we add with the boomers is like a whole bunch of people who should have been the core, like kind of the college man.
It's sort of a grouping.
So it includes women as well.
Maybe all of them sort of moved into this more rebel category, subversive category, or not all of them, but a great number of them are far too many.
And then now you have all of these foreigners here, right?
All different sorts of visa programs, legal migration, refugees, illegal immigrants, whatever else.
And there's just so few people left who are actually preserving the core.
Like who actually represents the core Western identity and our actual civilization.
And this is fundamentally the biggest problem with the H1B.
Like, yes, we can talk about the fact that they're taking certain jobs.
Like, yes, it is true that H-1B legally is supposed to be for critical skills that are missing.
And it is true that as we all saw on Twitter, and it was like, this is like, this was published in prominent news resources.
It's like, you know, the H-1Bs were being used for a $30,000 per year cook number three at a hotel.
Like, that's not like that's, there's, there's like fraud.
There are other problems.
Like, none of this makes any sense.
But at a very high level, you know, the problem is that there are just not enough people advancing our civilization.
There are like far too many people advancing sort of like fundamentally foreign.
You know, we could even go into like the question of like, you know, a lot of these people are like, like, you know, in this case, it's like a lot of them are Hindu, right?
It's like, you know, that's, this is like base level idolatry, like pagan, like Eastern paganism.
Like, do we want to import like 50 million more of those?
Like, do you want your kid to have to like debate the merits of Hinduism in middle school and like be proselytized?
I think like some of this stuff, we have to like take it, you know, maybe even moving like a stage, like a step outside of the material considerations, which are real.
Like the cultural considerations and sort of like these sorts of things, I think are also particularly motivating for, let's say, Gen Z people who are reaching, as you described, like, why are they looking at Catholicism?
Why are they maybe yearning for more stability or ownership or a stake?
A lot of that, there's actually not a lot to grab onto right now.
And so that's something we actually have to solve.
Are you saying the founding father Martin Luther King would have judged Hindus unfavorably on the content of their character for that particular movie?
I think not enough has been said on the student visa side of things.
I think there's been a really good, really excellent attack on the H-1B where it's pretty sour.
On average, we started here, perception of capitalism, perception of socialism.
Perception of H-1B has been tanking publicly, which is good.
That means that we're winning the argument, I would say.
Student visas, I think people still have a favorable view.
NYU has 27,000 international students.
It's hard to even sort of wrap your head around that.
MIT has over a thousand citizens, like Chinese community, full-blown CCP, our People's Republic of China, people currently there.
And Stanford also, I was, you know, with some of the people at Stanford Review, they blew a big story at Stanford that there was, you know, they reported on a fully operationalized, basically espionage through students operation at Stanford by China.
And there's like national security concerns, things like this.
But then, you know, culturally, too.
It's like you go on campus, it's like, you know, like Halloween or Thanksgiving or Christmas or whatever.
And it's like, okay, like, dude, what every year, less of the student body even cares or participates.
And this gets out like what we talked about subversion of the core.
You know, I guess I want our colleges to still have Halloween parties and to still celebrate.
Like, let's do Christmas actually at our colleges.
And the fact that every year fewer people do is concerning, of course.
Yeah, it's quite depressing, actually, this year, because so my wife and I, so we actually are one of the few, well, she's a millennial, but we got a house.
I mean, we have one and a half million foreign students.
And a lot of it is really this interesting arrangement between the university administrations and these foreign students where it's like they sort of like profit personally, but I would argue a great detriment to American students and to our sort of our country.
And there's a lot of people in China and India, right?
And so it's like, it's not that hard to find like one guy whose parents are willing to like pop up the 45K or whatever it costs to send him to this place.
And for them, it's sort of a way to sort of enter maybe some sort of another.
But like, you know, that incentive system is, you know, that's crushed, of course.
Like you can't, we can't have like the colleges that all of us went to just simply become like farming zones for foreign students.
But the demographic makeup of your country is a very, in and of itself is a very valid reason to be opposed to immigration.
Even if these immigrants are coming here and they're like economic miracles, which they're not, but let's just presuppose that.
It's still valid to have a concern over what my neighborhood, what my state, what my country looks like.
Because again, like I made the point earlier, that's what gives you a sense of belonging in the world.
That is when you look around and there's people that reflect your culture and who you are as a person, that is a stabilizing force.
That gives you a sense of security in your life.
Like you're not worried about my culture, my people that are an extension of me, my nation, my people.
You're not worried about that being exterminated overnight.
Like, you still feel like you're going to have a degree of eternal, you know, like you're going to have an echo of yourself continuing on after you pass.
Yeah, I mean, I've been spending maybe a little bit more time recently with a few, let's say, we'll call them like closer to fundamentals Baptists.
And you know, what's what's that's always good for you, right?
I think, I think everybody should do a little bit more of that, even you, Connor, as a Catholic.
So, so, you know, you know, even just like going back to the Old Testament, right?
And yes, we can, yes, first before going to the Old Testament, we can look at, you know, sort of the history of Christendom in Europe across, let's say, you know, after the fall of Rome up until sort of, let's say, like, you know, early modernity.
But, you know, look, look at what the actual Old Testament says about like how leaders of a nation should think about like foreign idolaters, right?
And like, just like, look at what Exodus has to say.
Like, you know, it really is pretty explicit.
Like, you shall, like, you shall make no covenants with them or their gods.
Like, they shall not dwell in your land.
Like, this is exactly what it says.
Now, of course, this is speaking to Israel in that context.
But, of course, like, you know, many of these things still apply.
Like, the church is the sort of new Israel, like the body of Christ.
And yes, like, you know, I think people took this seriously.
And, you know, you looked at the Battle of Lepanto, you know, in 1571, you know, Christendom, you know, basically driving out the Muslims.
It's like, it's United Forces and sort of interestingly is primarily Catholic, but some, you know, like some German Protestants, Lutherans came in and joined in that struggle.
And I think like, you know, it's not just the Muslims.
We have all sorts of, you know, sort of sort of problems right now, I would say.
And some of it's just nihilism, atheism, like the Buddhist thing, of course, as well.
And these things are real.
And I think in the coming decades, it's not going away.
Like it will require, you know, sort of like men who are, you know, men of the West, who are Christian, who care about these sorts of things to actually, you know, let's like, you know, to actually advance something that's a little bit more positive and serious, I would say.
Yeah, well, like, lip chards will literally be like, oh, the reason these African countries are so dysfunctional is because the European colonial powers arbitrarily drew borders without considerations for like the tribal allegiances and qualms and that sort of thing.
And I'm like, you just accepted my terms, which is that diversity in and of itself will create a dysfunctional country.
So they'll accept it when it comes to Africa.
And that, for the record, is vaguely correct.
But then as soon as you import people from literally the other side of the world to the United Kingdom, to the United States, and then that breeds dysfunction, it's attributed to other factors rather than the truth, which is, yeah, you need like demographic cultural cohesion for a country to be functional.
If you create Somali spawn points in your suburbs, though, I'm sure it will just all go very well.
This is the major frustration I have with a lot of liberals on the right, where they have blank slate presuppositions baked into their language, especially in Britain.
But you get a lot of this on the legacy American right, not much of the sort of heritage American new right.
It's the idea that if we just got rid of the amplification of differences caused by woke identity politics and kind of shut our eyes and refuse to recognize intractable cultural and identity ethnic differences between groups.
And if we just did a rising tide, raises all ships approach to the economy.
And yet, again, you know, we need to fix a bunch of economic issues that have been dispossessing young men and women of their opportunity to own a home and have meaningful work and have families, don't get me wrong.
But if we just rectify, if we just twiddle the dials on education, cultural cohesion, and economic opportunities, then actually the kind of liberal utopia that the Mondani socialists use as window dressing for their anti-white racial resentment, it will be achieved.
And it's actually the problem is that the left are just going about the shared premises the wrong way.
I mean, this is how you end up with the left and right being the two cheeks of the same post-war liberal consensus backside that Reno's written about before.
And what I think we've recognized is with these fractured ethno-cultural circumstances, which we've been born into because of just diversification and operating our border and economic policies on blank slate assumptions, we recognize the natural tribalism of human beings.
And we're much more pessimistic about the prospect of integration and of the material considerations that you spoke about, Nathan, resolving those intractable differences.
But our willingness to be honest about that is both at once the solution to the problem, but it's also the reason that boomers recoil in horror from any person under 30 on their own ostensible political side who is more honest about these issues.
Like there is nobody under 30 actually believes in the blank slate.
They're either full-throated gay race communist revolutionaries and appeasing various oppressed non-white groups or various perverted sexual identities, or they're just spouting 1350 and saying Scott Adams quotes, rest in peace.
Whereas your average boomer, like we had this meltdown recently where a bunch of liberals on the ostensible right in the UK reacted to the civil war in America between Shapiro and Vivek and Tarkor and Fuentes by saying, oh yeah, there's gropers all over the UK.
They're talking about ethnicity and identity and they're against civic nationalism.
It's like, number one, that's not what that means.
But number two, we just speak in completely incompatible terms and you're not willing to recognize our concerns as legitimate.
And therefore, just like with economics, they're pulling up the political ladder after themselves and then wondering why their ideas don't have any purchase.
Well, Nathan, I know you have a heart out coming up here soon.
Seeing as you are in the business of solutions, and you talk about this quite extensively on your musings on Twitter and elsewhere in your publications.
Could you give a sort of prescription for young men watching this show?
Obviously, they are accepting all of our arguments because they're just objectively true.
We're just administering the correct take here.
Can you maybe give a prescription and sort of a reaction to this, you know, this entire conversation as we close down here?
Yeah, I would just say I would encourage people to not fall into nihilism or lack of action.
You know, what's exciting about doing venture capital is that I get to talk with many of the young people who are excited about solving these problems.
So things like addiction in America or, you know, let's say family formation or home ownership.
We generally look for young founders who are solving these problems.
I just like, should I name one or two really quickly?
Like we recently invested in Sunflower Sober, which is a platform for people struggling with addiction.
The founder is passionate about solving opioid addiction and other things in America.
The American Housing Corporation is doing basically row home builds in cities that are well constructed for families.
And there's some technology that allows them to essentially build at a much cheaper price and sell to families.
And so we're constantly looking for people like that.
And maybe my call to young people would be to find people like that who are ambitious and are working on the big problems and go work on them yourself.
And so that might mean moving.
Or it might mean like investing more locally in your community, but to actually be a player character.
We talked about there's a little bit of a main player syndrome, but maybe to like not do it as much as the influencer TikTok side, but to just go build and go do useful things.
And then politics also matters.
So I'd say you should be involved with that as well.
So just Nathan Halberstadt or like at N-A-T-H-A-L-B-E-R-S-T-A-D-T.
And I also have a podcast, the new founding podcast, where I often try to talk with people across cultural, political, and like technology type spaces that are working on some of the problems that we've been talking about.