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Dec. 3, 2025 - The Culture War - Tim Pool

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CANDACE OWENS VS TIM POOL

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Candace Owens has dropped the gauntlet.
		That's what they're saying.
		She's accusing me of botting because this is what she does.
		She's a liar and she's mad that I called her a liar because everyone else is too cowardly to call her out as a liar because they're so worried about social status and standing.
		Here's what happened.
		Last night on Timcast IRL, or for those that are watching this at a later date, we were talking on Timcast IRL about Candace's revenue.
		for her company, to which I said that the estimate that she makes about $10 million a year in sponsors and ads probably is true.
		And that there are a lot of people that fake their viewers for status.
		That is not what we are saying of Candace.
		We said repeatedly that she appeals to a large audience and she's decided to go the route of saying things that are vague and assumptive to generate audience through drama, true crime, et cetera.
		Such as Bridget McCrone is a man for which she's being sued.
		And I would be willing to bet with like 95% certainty, she will lose.
		Nothing's absolute, but she's going up against a government and they have deals with the United States.
		And the world is not all about who is right and who is wrong.
		It's about who's willing to flex their muscles and utilize power.
		And if you're France and you really want Candace to stop, you could really jam up the United States and say we will block your votes and NATO and the UN and just do all sorts of annoying things.
		I probably wouldn't get to that point, but I'll just put it like this.
		You know, if I and like another prominent personality were having an issue with a lesser known personality, that could cause problems for the lesser known personality.
		Like if a better way to put it is, if two big corporations have like one of them's got an employee and the other company's got a problem with that employee, for the sake of negotiations, they're going to be like, we don't care about the United States is going to be like, we don't care about Candace.
		But so here's what Candace does.
		This is the game she plays.
		Vagaries, no evidence, and there's a lot of people that absolutely fall for it.
		Or, I don't know, it's fake.
		Like there are people who are just saying it because they hate Israel or whatever the issue might be.
		But what I genuinely believe about Candace is that she intentionally says things that are to be interpreted in certain ways to generate attention for her.
		You know, I'll give you an example, actually.
		I tweeted this out over the break because we had made the point on Timcast IRL with Hotep, when Hotep Jesus was on.
		Take a look at this story.
		This is from Base the Nation on Instagram with 192,000 likes saying developing story.
		Candace Owens polls her show after claiming the White House acknowledged her assassination warning.
		That's what she did.
		Let me see if I can find that post from Candace where she said, we are, what is this?
		Show will be off.
		Here we go.
		Barrett Media.
		Let's pull whatever this is up.
		Candace Owens, our show will be off the air this week after claims French president ordered a hit on her.
		So here's what she tweeted.
		This is called assumptive manipulation, assumptive reasoning, whatever you want to call it.
		Our show will be off the air this week.
		As an update, both the White House and our counterterrorism agencies have confirmed receipt of what I reported publicly.
		Emmanuel McCrun intended to organize my assassination per source close to the first couple.
		Confirmed receipt.
		Oh boy.
		This is the Candace Owens problem.
		And I don't care if it's Candace.
		I don't care if it's Rachel Maddow or whoever.
		Y'all lying.
		I'm going to call you a liar.
		Now, Candace, however, loves drama.
		And so her strategy now is to malign me because I dare call her out.
		But whatever.
		This is the name of the game, right?
		So let's break down her lies.
		And then I'll show you what she said and the video that she's put out, which is, once again, Candace is a liar.
		It's what she does.
		But to clarify, she uses assumptive manipulation, right?
		So here's the example.
		She says, for all of you who doubted my claims, you can now look to the president of the United States and our intelligence communities to issue a statement to confirm whether I'm telling the truth.
		Okay, our show is off the air this week.
		What?
		Well, it was Thanksgiving.
		So sure.
		They've confirmed receipt of what I reported publicly.
	What does confirmed receipt of mean?
	It means that she got a notification.
	They opened the emails.
	It means she emailed someone and said, take a look at my report and they responded with, will do.
	That's it.
	It doesn't mean she told the truth, but this is assumptive manipulation of people with low reading comprehension.
	The point being, people now begin to assume, she wants them to, that she pulled her show.
	She didn't pull her show.
	She was off for Thanksgiving.
	Retards.
	And they acknowledged her assassination warning.
	What does that even mean?
	Nothing.
	This is classic assumptive manipulation.
	It's social engineering 101.
	Say something so that a person will believe something that you never actually said so you can maintain plausible deniability.
	I met some young dudes recently playing poker and they said that, did you hear Candace Owens went into hiding because the assassination threat and the White House confirmed it?
	Not kidding.
	I started busting out laughing.
	I'm like, are you kidding, bro?
	You mean where she posted she was off for the week of Thanksgiving and that she sent an email to the White House?
	This is the stupid shit that she does.
	Now you got me swearing.
	Now you got me swearing.
	All right.
	So Candace Owens retweeted this fake post.
	And this, I love it.
	This exemplifies everything.
	I'll read what she said in a second.
	And first, I'll show you this post from Project Constitu.
	Constituent challenge.
	Tim Poole spends entire segment coping and seething about Candace Owens beating him, blames bots and claims he never used bots.
	So I'm mentioning a challenge, $100 cash to whoever proves Tim Poole is lying about not using bots.
	Tim Cass just spent an entire segment coping and seething because Candace Owens is officially a number one podcast in America.
	She's not.
	Higher than Rogan, higher than everyone else.
	She's not.
	His excuse for why she's crushing it.
	I know bot quote.
	I know bots are a big problem.
	A lot of people buy bots to inflate their numbers.
	This is Candace MO 100%.
	Is it a real quote?
	Well, it's ellipse.
	So it's not a quote about Candace.
	It was a quote about Twitch, a prominent Twitch streamer, recently got a lot of attention for organizing a meeting with Twitch over their view botting problem.
	And as I pointed out, there are a lot of people that want status, so they view bot, for which I never implied about Candace.
	Then he swears up and down that he personally has never bought bots and never would.
	I don't.
	I call BS.
	So here's the open challenge with real money attached, $100 cash to the first follower who brings me hard proof that Tim Cass DiRL is currently botted.
	Fake concurrent viewers on Rumble and YouTube.
	View farm invoices, bot panel, screenshots, traffic analysis that doesn't lie, whatever holds up to the group chat.
	We were getting 60,000, 70,000 on YouTube one year ago.
	Now we're getting 23, 24,000.
	There's no view botting.
	On Rumble, we get around 20 or so thousand.
	So we average around 40K total.
	And that's between Rumble and YouTube.
	And I don't know.
	We all watched Candace Owens climb to number one the old-fashioned way, viral clip, zero filter, asking the questions everyone else is scared to ask.
	Tim's tears tonight prove he knows the throne is gone.
	I never had the number one spot.
	That was the point.
	Bounty is live.
	Clock starts now.
	Bring me the receipts on Tim's organic 46K concurrence or sit down.
	So here's the clip and question.
	I'm going to play it for you, and then I'll break down the literal context.
	I don't think our show generates enough buzz for her to mention.
	I was wrong about that.
	I didn't think, I was literally saying, we're not that big.
	I think the biggest my show has ever been the morning show was 30 number 36 in the podcast charts.
	They got rid of these charts and now it's all dissected.
	It's because everything's different, right?
	There's Apple audio, there's Spotify video, there's podcorn.
	It's all fractured now.
	And so rankings are industry standards where they try to assess who's the biggest.
	But we were never the biggest.
	I never, we had one of the top live streams in the election season.
	In 2020's election season, we were getting over 100,000 per night.
	And in last election season, we're getting like 70, 80.
	And we weren't even beating Crowder.
elad eliahu ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
		I think she has a lot of respect for you.
		And I think she knows the show is very important.
		And I think this will get a response.
		I mean, maybe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, the thing like we were looking at that story, talking about how much money she made, there's Twitch is a big problem right now with bots.
		There's a reason why people buy bots to make their viewership look bigger.
		We're not going to get, you know, so right now, what do we have?
		We've got, we're split between Rum, but we have 46,000 concurrent viewers, which is, it's actually really good because four years ago when we were in the offseason after the 2020 election, we were averaging about 27,000 concurrent viewers.
		So the show has grown, it's consistency, all these things.
		I don't need to bot or buy views or do anything like that because honestly, I don't really care if it's number one, number 10, number 100.
		But people don't understand that Candace has one really big show she does every day.
		And it's big.
		People really like it.
		That's great.
		They like it.
		So this is what I understand.
		People fall for this.
		Even in the video, I said it's a really big show and people really like it.
		And that's great.
		We had consistently said throughout the show, in fact, the point that I had made was there's two things you can do when you're in the declining viewership season, right?
		So our concurrent viewership is like 60% of where it was a year ago because we're off the political season and we're a political culture and commentary show.
		You can try and entertain non-political subjects.
		And I said, we naturally do some of this with like the Aurora news and space weather stuff and like maybe ancient aliens kind of conversations that I'm interested in.
		And we end up getting like 200,000 views on those segments, whereas like a political clip might do 50K.
		So you can do that.
		And, you know, we largely just stay in the political space.
		It's what we do.
		We have political commentary and our guests are usually in the space.
		Or you can do what Candace does.
		Charlie Kirk was killed by French Foreign Legion with Israeli help and now they're trying to kill me and doing all of this like real insane psycho babble stuff.
		However, I never said she viewbotted whatever.
		In fact, like we literally made the point that right before this clip starts, Candace does not view bot, but they cut it out because this is her game.
		And so you'll hear in the press about how she's so big.
		Well, actually, across the board, I'm pretty sure we get equal to or more views than she does.
		As a company, I've got four different shows of different subject matter.
		And then we've got audio side.
		Then we've got the other shows.
		So, you know, I think if I were to stop doing five different shows and just do one, I don't think I'd get as many views as Candace, but I think I'd probably get like 60, 70%.
		Whereas, you know, Tim Castillo does about half a million and she does like two.
		If I stopped doing all the other shows, the viewers would concentrate around one show or whatever.
		Look at me reacting to myself, but there's context here that's important.
		My point is there's a handful of, you have to break down total viewership per company for views.
		So it's like her show's really big, but it's one, you know, hour-long show per day, right?
		So what is the real context?
		Why is Tim Poole saying that Candace has one big show versus my five shows?
		Because we were talking about how much money she makes.
		And I said, Fortune estimates Candace makes about 10 million per year.
		And I said, maybe, you know, based on the views she gets on her show, we've got like four or five shows and we make more than that.
		And that's why I said, I think we may get more views than her across the company, but her show is bigger.
		And if I were to get rid of all my shows and even just do one single podcast, we'd probably get 60, 70% of what she gets.
		Point being, she is a much more famous, much bigger personality than I.
		We monetize in a variety of other ways, but viewership across the board, looking at what she gets, the point is, is $10 million a year assessed by Fortune a reasonable number.
		And I said, yeah, actually, I think that's what it is.
		That's the context of this video.
		Mentioning the view botting of Twitch was part of the broader conversation.
		We were talking about how you've got these rankings that pop up where people claim they're number one when they're really not.
		That is not what we were saying about Candace.
		We were explicitly stating she does not view bot, which is why, listen to this.
		I don't think our show generates enough buzz for her to mention.
elad eliahu ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I disagree.
		I think she has a lot of respect for you.
		And I think she knows the show is very important.
		And I think this will get a response.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, maybe.
		You know, the thing is, like we were looking at that story, talking about how much money she made.
		There's Twitch.
		We're looking at that story about how much money she made.
		She's a big problem right now with bots.
		There's a reason why people buy bots to make their viewership look bigger.
		We're not going to get, you know, so right now, what do we have?
		We've got, we're split between Rum, but we have 46,000.
		I don't know if Elod says it in this clip.
		It's actually 20.
		Show is grown.
		Elod said that she has mass appeal with the third world.
		I thought it was in this clip.
		I guess it's not.
		He was saying that his view of why she gets so many views is that she has international appeal.
		That's really it.
		I said third world, and I responded with, I get it.
		I know you have personal issues with Candace.
		Elad very much loves Israel.
		Okay, well, here's Candace Owens.
		She responded with, love this challenge, LOL.
		I have never used bots, nor have did we spend a single dollar on advertising.
		We also took $0 from investors.
		After my highly publicized firing made a conscious decision to come back truly solo, team of just four on the podcast, including me, and just one person in ads.
		We actually take it as a major compliment that people think otherwise.
		Shows the world that things truly can be done outside the system, but you'll probably sued for it.
		Weird.
		I have never used bots, nor have did we.
		Okay.
		I don't think Candace wrote this.
		Here's the play.
		I don't play these games.
		Candace does.
		She takes this obvious fake post.
		It's clear bullshit.
		It's whatever, ratioed.
		The conversation we had on IRL explicitly stated over and over again, as we have many times, Candace is doing a true crime drama show where she releases private texts from Charlie.
		And I said repeatedly on the show last night, guys, you should definitely go watch the show she just did today.
		I'm not kidding.
		This is unironic.
		You need to watch it and understand what she's saying and what she's doing.
		I believe that she gets massive viewership because it's female coded.
		So she's likely doing very well among women.
		Whereas this video and this show, it's almost all dudes.
		It's 80-20.
		Women don't watch this kind of like straightforward stuff.
		They just don't.
		It is what it is.
		Candace's episode yesterday was she was releasing texts from Charlie about the clothing he was buying and how she was his wingman.
		And I got to be honest, it sounds like she was in love with Charlie Kirk and he rejected her.
		That is not me trying to be derisive or insult or belittle Candace in any way.
		I genuinely think you should go and watch the episode she did where she talks about how she texted him saying, I'm an alien.
		And he said, I'm a time traveler.
		Not exaggerating.
		This is romance novel level stuff.
		Women love it for real.
		She texts Charlie, I'm an alien here.
		I just don't understand.
		He says, I feel like a time traveler sometimes.
		This is when I was like 14.
		And I had the cordless phone and I was talking to a girl from class.
		And we fell asleep on the phone just talking to each other about whatever.
		You hang up.
		No, you hang up.
	You hang up.
	No, you hang up.
	That's what her show is.
	It's not just that.
	It's also my best friend was murdered and betrayed.
	And, you know, true crime, murder, mystery, drama.
	And now they're trying to kill me using assumptive language.
	That is, let me put it like this.
	There is an active plot to kill me right now.
	I'm not joking.
	This is true.
	I've been in contact with the FBI about it.
	They believe the threat is credible.
	There's not just one.
	There's a bunch.
	But there's one in particular that seems credible.
	And the individual may be targeting others.
	That's it.
	I've mentioned this.
	We're not taking the show off the air.
	We have security.
	I have guns.
	These things happen.
	This is a normal function of the work environment.
	Now, that's how you mail code it, right?
	I stand up, pull my shirt and say, boys, there is somebody who's trying to kill me, but we're going to keep doing our job.
	We've contacted law enforcement.
	They're looking into it.
	In the meantime, let's focus on the real news.
	Now, if you want to go the female-coded route, and I'm not saying this to insult women or men or whatever.
	I'm pointing out there are differences in these views.
	I could say this.
	My friends, we're scared.
	I have just discovered there is an active plot to assassinate me.
	I'm not kidding.
	It's not a joke.
	And I beg you, please take this seriously.
	The work we do here, you know, is important.
	And they want to stop me.
unidentified		They want to stop us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My wife, she looked me in the eyes and she said, Tim, we're going to be okay.
		And I said, I don't know.
		Because they want us dead.
		Because you know, and I know, together, we can change the world.
		So I did what any good husband would do.
		I hugged my wife and I told her, I will keep you safe.
		I've been in contact with the Trump administration, and I can confirm they're actively working to stop this plot against me.
		I don't know if they will be able to succeed.
		Dark forces seek to undermine the important work we are doing in protecting what we love and who we care about.
		You know, I remember it just like it was yesterday when I was sitting at that steakhouse with Allison, and I took her by the hand and I said, will you be mine?
		And she blushed, she smiled, and she said, always.
		I couldn't believe it.
		I was so lucky.
		But now, these dark forces, they're trying to stop us.
		Not just our mission to make this country better, but our love.
		Because they know the one thing that will save this country is love.
		And that's why they're so full of hate.
		And that's why they scream.
		And that's why they throw bricks.
		But they won't stop us.
		I won't let them.
		The FBI contacted me personally to let me know they're actively tracking this assassination plot.
		They believe that this man is very dangerous and that this is a real threat against me.
		But I won't back down.
		Not just for me, not just for Allison, but for you.
		Because you matter.
		Because I know that if I stand, you can stand too.
		So my friends, know this.
		When you go to TimCast.com and join our Discord community, you are telling the evil of this world.
		Love will win.
		And every day, when you look into the eyes of those you love, your children, you can smile and say, I'm doing my part.
		Together, evil will not win.
		They were never going to win.
		I'm going to be taking my show off the air this weekend.
		We won't have a show for you.
		And I will be in communication with the Federal Bureau of Investigation over this plot against me.
		I ask you to pray.
		Please, we need you.
		That's one way to do it, right?
		That's one way to do it, right?
		Or I could just say, we received a credible death threat.
		I contacted the FBI.
		They had a conversation about it.
		They believe the threat is legitimate and active.
		And they're working towards finding this individual, putting a stop to it.
		In the meantime, we've upped our security.
		Because, you know, Candace goes the other way.
		I can certainly go that way too.
		Oh, boy.
		I used to do nonprofit fundraising and that was the spiel.
		That was the shtick.
		That's how you did it.
		But now I'm more so just kind of turning the camera on and complaining on the internet.
		And truth be told, not nearly as many people like it as they like Candace's Drama Fest.
		But of course, that's why reality TV is reality TV.
		It was never real.
unidentified		This is why they want to live in this world where Israel is everywhere around the corner.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bro, governments kill people.
		They do it all the time.
		Assassination plots are legitimate and governments have interest and they're trying to take over.
		But Candace is turning news into a true crime drama BS Fest.
		And of course, me calling her out because she keeps getting worse with it.
		Of course she was.
		Sooner or later, she'd crossed the line.
		And now here's her opportunity to malign me and accuse me.
		Let me just stress, let me just make it very clear on view botting or whatever.
		I sit in a studio we built from the ground up that costs millions of dollars on a massive property that costs millions of dollars.
		And we've got, I'll just put it like this.
		Estimate the value of a company that generates over 10 plus million per year.
		What did we do?
		We have 15 million last year or something.
		And everyone's like, how does Tim Poole make so much money?
		I'm good at business.
		I don't know.
		It is true.
		A lot of people, there was this story I read a while ago about this YouTuber, 300,000 subs, and she was a waitress.
		And she cried.
		It was like 10 years ago.
		It's an old story.
		And she didn't know how to monetize having this audience that watched all our videos.
		We've never had that problem.
		We've always found ways to monetize.
		Now, you may ask, what does all that money do?
		Well, we built a studio from the ground up.
		It's very expensive to fly our guests out in person.
		We cover all trambling and accommodation.
		We have somewhere close to like 40 employees.
		We've got Tales from the Inverted World, Pop Culture Crisis.
		I personally host a variety of shows.
		We've broken them up in a variety of ways.
		This segment actually attaches to the Tim Pool Morning Show, but the Culture War is its own podcast on podcast platforms.
		And so we've got sponsorship deals.
		We've got membership programs.
		We've got all this stuff.
		We make good money.
		We get 24,000 concurrent viewers on YouTube right now for this season.
		And then we're like 20,000 on Rumble.
		That's it.
		So it actually is quite simple.
		Candace should be making substantially more money if she's, you know, she's getting around 100,000 concurrence or whatever, but a couple million views.
		It's political content, so the CPM is going to be relatively low.
		But, you know, 1.5 to 2 million views per day could easily pull in 40, 50K per day.
		And that's just one ad read.
		That's about one ad read, right?
		Yeah.
		If she does it right, she could theory.
		Well, if she's getting a $10 CPM, maybe she's doing 20K per read.
		And if she does two or three reads, it's going to be 60K.
		So she's making a pretty penny.
		That's why I said I think the 10 million is probably correct.
		But you know what, man?
		Maybe, maybe I should play the old true crime drama movie narrative.
		Remember, we had Seamus.
		For those that saw the show when Seamus was promoting his Freedom Tunes thing, he kept doing this thing.
		Oh, Seamus.
		Where he was like, guys, we're working on a great project.
		It's Freedom Tunes' new show, Twisted Plots.
		Please help support our work because we need to build culture.
unidentified		And I'm like, Seamus, you ain't selling me on anything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was like, I kept telling him, you got to say, so if you see as I see, and if you would seek as I seek, then go to Twisted Plots.
		You got to know how to do the sales pitch.
		Here's a story.
		I love it.
		One of my favorite stories ever.
		And this is absolutely a humble brag.
		I was working for a homeless shelter and I convinced some lady to sign up for $700 per month.
		Every month she would donate $700.
		That's a lot of money.
		It was in California.
		How did I do it?
		Well, it's nonprofits.
		They want you to say these stupid things like, Hi, do you have a minute to talk about insert problem?
		And people go, No, I don't.
		Goodbye.
		And that never worked.
		For some people, if you pushed as hard as you could and tried talking to literally everybody, you'd be burned out and you'd maybe convince two people per day, but that's really all they wanted.
		And so they'd say, like, it's 20 bucks a month to become a member and support us.
		And the street canvassers, you don't really see them out that often, but they're still there.
		So I see this lady, and she's walking down the street, and I'm standing there with my clipboard and a smile on my face.
		And I wave, and you're on the balls of your feet.
		You're standing on your tippy toes, and you're looking inviting.
		And I say, Hello there, ma'am.
		Do you have a second to talk to me about our homeless crisis in this city?
		And she says, Sure, what's going on?
		And then here's what I did: I said, Well, first, my name is Tim, and I'm with Insert Nonprofit.
		Did you know that in Los Angeles, you know what?
		I can't do this.
		I can't.
		I can't do this script.
		Let me just be honest with you.
		This is the homeless capital of the developed world.
		And I know you know it.
		I know you've seen it.
		There's a reason why I'm out here.
		And it's not because I need to raise money or anything, but it's because it's what we have to do to solve this problem.
		You know, every day when I get up, I walk to work.
		I see these people sleeping in the streets.
		Some of them are children.
		I just think to myself, how could this be happening?
		And so I decided to do something about it.
		And listen, I just want you to understand.
		I want you to understand what it means.
		Do this for me.
		Close your eyes.
		I want you to imagine that you're sleeping under a bridge.
		You're by yourself.
		Nobody cares.
		They walk by you, snarl at you.
		Nobody loves you.
		But then, one day as you're sleeping under this bridge, you hear a voice that says, hey, you open your eyes and you look up with the sun glaring down.
		There is someone.
		They're holding out their hand.
		And they say, I love you.
		I care about you.
		I need you to be that person right now.
		I need you to be that hand to lift these people up and tell them that you actually care.
		And she started crying.
		And she said, what can I do?
		And I said, well, a variety of programs and they're all very expensive.
		But the only way this changes is when people like you decide to be that hand.
		And she decided to give $700 a month membership signup.
		And I was very proud of myself.
		Do I get an Emmy?
	And after a while, this is my early 20s.
	I was just like, it's so scummy.
	It's not honest.
	It's manipulation.
	You want me to actually have tears come out?
	Because I could cry on command.
	That was the sales pitch.
	That was the real sales pitch.
	But it was different for every person.
	You just need to know who you were talking to.
	And this was an older woman.
	And that was the pitch she needed to hear.
	And she signed up.
	I once got some guy to sign up.
	He gave me a check for $250.
	Why?
	Kid you not.
	He walked by and I went, hey, yo.
	Not kidding.
	And he laughed.
	He was like, what is this?
	And I was like, we're helping homeless people.
	We're buying beds.
	And you're going to write me a check for $250.
	And he chuckles, oh, really, am I?
	And I said, yep, because you're sick of the homeless problem.
	So am I. Someone's got to do something about it.
	Buy a bed.
	And he went, tax deductible.
	And I went, you bet your ass.
	And he laughed.
	He's like, all right.
	He's like, wow, that was the best pitch I've ever gotten.
	And I said, hey, look, you look like a guy who doesn't want to waste any time.
	And he smiled and he's like, yeah, all right, let me write you a check.
	He actually, he had like an attache case or whatever you call it.
	A purse, a merse.
	And he pulled it out and he filled out the check and he was like, hey, man, I appreciate it.
	And I was like, hey, look, no, in all seriousness, I do appreciate you got your helping out.
	And I'm glad you appreciated my goofing, my goofing off.
	And he laughed and he was like, all right, man.
	He's like, good luck to you.
	And it was super quick.
	Everybody's got a different pitch.
	And the guy in the suit, the pitch to him is always going to be the, let me not waste your time, brother.
	Here's what we're doing.
	You can write the check or not.
	And when he goes, I don't think I'm like, come on, brother.
	You know there's a problem.
	You're not actively working on solving it, but you can be right now.
	And you can go rest your head, get back to your important job, which we need you to do.
	And they laugh and say, okay, I'm an accountant.
	And I'm like, hey, we need accountants.
	But you also know that we have a problem with the environment.
	You know that there's a problem with pollution.
	Hire us.
	That's what we're going to do.
	You're going to hire me right now.
	And then he laughs and he says, okay, what do you need?
	And I say, credit card quick, let's get it done so you can get back to lunch.
	That's how you sign up a suit.
	Not every suit.
	What about the hippie guy?
	You try pulling it off on the hippie guy.
	The hippie's going to be like, slow down, bro.
	You're in a rush, man.
	You got to figure out where you meet people.
	So anyway, back to the main point with Candace and her silly games.
	The point is this.
	What she goes for is called assumptive manipulation, assumptive reasoning.
	It's where you say you're as vague as possible so that you can attack someone and accuse them of something without ever actually having said it.
	So it's not actionable.
	But more importantly, if you go before 10 people and they're all staring at you for leadership and you are honest with what you want and say, I say no Social Security because it's breaking the system and I'm sick of it, the older people walk away.
	Well, you need all of them to pay you or to vote for you.
	So you want to just say things as vague as possible.
	I am the only one who can fix this social security problem and you all know it.
	Trust me.
	You get me in there.
	We will have victory.
	Now, what did I just promise to do?
	Fix the social security problem, which means means nothing.
	It's what politicians do all the time.
	This is the pitch.
	You got to know how to say these things to convince a mass audience.
	In reality, the older person says, ah, they're going to make sure I get my social security on time and that my Medicare is going to be paid and I'm not going to worry about it.
	He's going to fix that problem.
	Whatever the problem is you're having, I will fix it.
	But I don't say it like that.
	I say, you know, I'm the only one who can.
	I will fix Social Security.
	Now, some smart people will be like, fix it how?
	My problem is this.
	And then you meet them in private and say, trust me, I'll take care of it.
	Always be as vague as you can.
	So Candace does all of that heartstring tugging bullshit manipulation that any good person of talent could really do if they wanted to.
	Me, if I wanted to, I could.
	But I didn't get into this job so that I could just pretend, cry, and be overly emotional and insinuate Jews are out to get me or anything stupid like that.
	Not to play any dumb games where you get to dance around pretending like Erica Kirk is somehow involved in Charlie's death and so is Turning Point USA and trick lower reading comprehension people into believing you're bullshit.
	And you know what's going to happen now?
	There are going to be a lot of people who subscribe to my channel or who are followers and say, I don't know why I did this.
	It's a reality.
	I'll tell you why, because I'm not here to lie to you.
	So if you want those sweet nothings whispered into your ear by the vagaries of Candace Owens, go ahead.
	That was always the case.
	I never expected the biggest show in the world because I'm unwilling to do what she does.
	If I was willing to do it, I'd probably be worth $100 million running a nonprofit, being an actual leader or being a politician.
	That pitch I did, where I was on the verge of tears over these poor homeless people.
	I could do it any day and I could raise the money I needed to raise to do anything.
	I'm not interested in emotionally manipulating people so they give me money.
	I am interested in complaining on the internet.
	Okay?
	That's what I want to do.
	I want to complain on the internet, tell you what I really think about things, and then, you know, whatever, I guess.
	That's why the Democrats didn't like me.
	They could come to me and be like, hey, we'll give you a bunch of money if you just, you know, lie.
	And I'm like, I don't want to do that.
	I just want to tell you what I think is going on.
	And that's a problem because too many people are following me.
	Candace has her own issues, whatever.
	She wants to besmirch my good name.
	Whatever.
	She's allowed to, but she does it in the way that she does.
	Lies and manipulations.
	Let me make it clear once again.
	I don't think Candace Owens bots.
	I think she has international appeal.
	She's bringing France into it.
	She's bringing Israel and Islamic nations into it.
	There are a lot of people around the world who are going to want to watch her show because she talks about issues that matter to them.
	We don't.
	We talk about American domestic issues.
	We've talked about some of her stuff sometimes.
	So then when she posts this thing where they falsely claim we accused her of you botting, she's doing it because it brings more attention to herself and she's now the victim.
	She can go to her loyal fan base and say, can you believe they're now accusing me of being fake or whatever?
	They're the fake ones.
	I never said that.
	Well, to be fair, she is fake.
	She's intentionally lying to you.
	That's what she does.
	But, you know, whatever.
	I love this challenge.
	$100 to prove that we have view bots.
	We don't.
	If I did, we'd have way more views.
unidentified		But, you know, we don't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're not even in the top.
		Do I have the top charts pulled up?
		I thought I had.
		Oh, here you go.
		The top 50 podcasts in the United States.
		Candace is number 48.
		We're not even on there.
		It's so dumb.
		But to be fair, though, this is the Joe Button podcast.
		This is Edison Podcast Metrics and Pod News.
		It's all fake.
		Candace is probably way bigger than a bunch of these shows.
		These shows are designed to prop up their shows.
		What they want to do is they want to create a ranking where they can then justify their metrics so they put the shows they own higher than other people.
		Whatever.
		Hey, it's fun.
		Smash the like button, share the show, all that good stuff.
		Subscribe if you haven't.
		Thanks for hanging out.

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