The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Elderly Take To The STREETS To PROTEST Trump ft. Will Chamberlain

Oct. 20, 2025 - The Culture War - Tim Pool

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The Elderly Take To The STREETS To PROTEST Trump ft. Will Chamberlain

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will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		But when it comes to why they're fighting so hard against Trump, that's definitely more this kind of almost quasi-religious feeling that they're part, you know, this is a meaningful life project for them at the end of their life.
unidentified		They see Trump as, I think, representing the antagonism towards their basic values and antagonism towards the basic way they've understood the world since Woodstock.
		Yeah.
		You know, that's, you know, Trump, if anything, is a traitor to the boomer class is a way to think about it.
		First, I want to show what Mehdi Hassan had to say, the great Mehdi Hassan.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He was speaking at the No Kings protest in DC, and here's what he had to say.
unidentified		And you know, they say we don't reach out to the other side.
		We don't reach out to conservatives or Republicans, that we're in an echo chamber.
		Well, let me say to every Republican and conservative watching, aren't you the ones who said no more big government?
		No tyranny in America?
		Ooh.
		So if you believe that, what are you doing defending masked federal agents in unmarked cars, bundling people off of the streets, including American citizens, and disappearing them?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, oh, wow.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We're enforcing immigration law.
unidentified		And this is totally in the face of our founding principles, according to Indian journalist Mehdi Hassan, which is true, he's Indian.
		They try to community note this, or they're proposing a community note.
		Mehdi Hassan is Indian.
		He says it himself.
		That's neither here nor there.
		So yeah, this has bent them out of shape.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I want to bring Will Chamberlain in.
unidentified		So we're going to get that set up here.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He has some strong feelings on Mehdi Hassan and his comments regarding ICE.
unidentified		Look, people here are probably quite familiar.
		You've obviously friend of the show.
		But maybe for the people that don't know, could you give a quick introduction, who you are, what you do?
		I'm senior counsel with the Internet Accountability Project, which I do legal and political advocacy.
		We try and fight to get judges confirmed, get key bills passed that touch on the courts.
		And then I'm also vice president of external affairs at the Edmund Burke Foundation, where I help organize and put together the national conservatism conferences.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Sweet.
unidentified		Good stuff.
		Well, so earlier in the show, we were, and you've probably seen this clip, we were discussing this clip of this lady.
		I'll say she's kind of gravity challenged, I think would be a gratuitous explanation for her situation.
		And she was gesturing to her neck, obviously mocking the death of Charlie Kirk.
		And we saw this.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We saw, you know, a lot of rhetoric surrounding Kirk and this No Kings protests over the weekend.
unidentified		And then I just played a clip from Mehdi Hassan, who basically did nothing to lower the temperature.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He was saying that Republicans were, I think he said, like, you know, blackbagging immigrants off the street.
unidentified		And like, you know, he was calling Republicans hypocrites saying, oh, you guys are supposedly against big government, but you're enforcing immigration law.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's so evil.
unidentified		What is your take on this no-king?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		What is going on?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Why can these people not get out of their own way?
unidentified		And why are they so incessant on cranking up the temperature?
unidentified		Well, No Kings is kind of this weird phenomenon.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		It's in a sense the last gasp of boomer liberalism, the Woodstock generation, the people who've, you know, built their lives and don't have a lot of meaning outside of these protests.
unidentified		And so that's why when you go to these protests, they're a very distinct audience and very different from the Antifa types or the pro-Palestine protest types.
unidentified		That's a much younger audience.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		This is the older liberals.
unidentified		And, you know, you can start with, that said, there's obviously other people on the left in there who are crazy, like this woman who decided it was wise to start mocking Charlie Kirk's assassination.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		I really don't have much time for people who do that.
unidentified		I'm very aggressive about the idea that there should be absolutely no tolerance for assassination celebration in this country.
unidentified		And I've talked about this with Tim before on one of these shows because you just game it out.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		If you normalize assassinations, you end up with the Spanish Civil War, something equivalent to that in the United States.
unidentified		So I have no time for that.
unidentified		The endless hyperbole from people like Media Hassan about the actions of ICE.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, there's this straw man, like the idea that the modern Republican Party is necessarily a small government party.
		That's not, Donald Trump isn't that.
		He's never been that.
		He's always promised robust government action to deal with the problems he identified.
unidentified		One of them is immigration.
		And it's the most basic function of a country to enforce its laws and to ensure that the people coming in are productive and helpful.
		That's what he's doing.
		Yeah.
		Well, Mehdi Hassan specifically is so egregious because he himself is an immigrant.
		So he's obviously going to be quite biased.
		One thing I pointed out, it was Tim Castanews, we captured this clip and we identified him as Indian journalist Mehdi Hassan because that's how he identified.
		We pulled up a, it was like a Facebook post where he was saying like, you know, I'm a son of India or whatever.
		And then it got community noted and they were like, he's British.
		Again, that's neither here nor there.
		Why is someone like Mehdi Hassan not denaturalized and deported at this point?
		Because he's cranking up the temperature to such a degree.
		I'm like, why is this guy even still here?
		I mean, I know this is kind of a side note, but I wanted to ask you.
		It's, I think, I think Medi should self-deport back to Britain.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		I think he'd be much happier in a country that aligns with his Islamist values.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		That's the United Kingdom.
unidentified		And I think that's where he should be.
		There's nothing American about Mehdi Hassan beyond his paperwork.
		That's the thing to understand about him.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		He's he's so his politics are deeply alien to this country.
		They're familiar in Britain, which does have this Islamist, so both an Islamist tradition and a socialist tradition, which is how he might describe himself, a Muslim socialist.
		But it's totally alien to our country.
unidentified		And so the way he talks about America and the critiques he levels are just so, you know, they're jarring and they're there.
unidentified		And it's just strange that a person who believes these things would be, you could take seriously that they meant it when they were taking the oath of naturalization, which regards, you know, withdrawing all these allegiances.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, I obviously target with Medi would denaturalize and deport pretty often.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		The logistics of that are fairly complicated and probably wouldn't be able to work.
unidentified		But I think it's still, it's useful rhetoric in the same way that sees the endowments was useful rhetoric.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		We're trying to express that this person is not one of us.
unidentified		He's not, he's not part of the American experiment.
		And he's not, what his views don't reflect anything that Americans should take seriously.
		And it's worth the shot.
		Look, if ICE wants to deputize me, I'll try.
		You know, I'll see what I can do.
		But it's just the phenomenon of recently naturalized immigrants suddenly running for office and telling everybody how the country should work.
		It's Mamdani is another example of how he finally bothered to grab American citizenship five years ago, and now he's going to run the city of New York.
		Really?
		I mean, there's an underlying arrogance to that.
		Yeah.
		That's remarkable.
		You know, you just got here.
		Maybe don't think you should be running the place.
		Yeah, totally.
		Well, and this is what I want to drill down on.
		We had a prominent Twitter poster, The Captive Dreamer, he was on the show, I think would have been two weeks ago now or a week and a half ago.
		And we kind of drilled down on this.
		And I noticed this when I was on the ground at the No Kings protest in DC, it was mostly a fact-finding mission.
		I love the elderly.
		So I was actually, this was like community service, court-ordered, unfortunately.
		But anyway, I digress.
		The most the issue that charged them the most was ICE and the deportations and the mass deportations.
		What specifically is it about ICE that animates the left to like above everything, it seems even more than like abortion, like ICE specifically seems to really really grind their gears.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		Maybe you can drill down on this.
unidentified		There's not much left animating the original Boomer liberal in terms of a political project or a policy idea that they're trying to put forward.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Remember, they got Obamacare and they're not for universal health care, generally speaking.
		Some of them are, but they're not for full socialism.
		So the boomer liberal wants kind of like, you know, government assistance, something along the lines of Obamacare.
unidentified		But Obamacare is not working.
		The Iran deal is a failure.
		You know, the entire Obama presidency, when you look back, looks really, really bad.
		It looks just no, every signature bill or signature initiative of his either is irrelevant now because it got overtaken by events or failed miserably.
		So that leaves the boomer liberal kind of like afloat, adrift, not really knowing what to be advocating for.
		And then it becomes a movement that just becomes obsessed with its own power.
		And ICE is targeted at the Democratic power of the liberals because it's supporting their voters.
		And I think that's as simple as that.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a recognition from older progressives that their project is going to come to an end unless they can replace and replenish their voter base with immigrants.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I think these old heads should just hang out with their grandkids.
		I think that's what they should be doing instead of like many of them don't have any.
		And if they do, they don't have very good relationships with them.
		That's that's very true.
		Well, and this kind of tracks, you know, the boomers, I think, are oftentimes boogeymanned a little bit in the political zeitgeist.
		But I do think the reality that they weren't really conscious, or if they were, they were malicious about the future impacts of the policies they advocated for.
		And it's really screwed over a lot of younger people.
		I think there is some truth there.
		And the mass migration kind of seems to be the epitome of that.
		It's like it benefited them for like five years because they got cheap labor out of it.
		And if they were a Democrat, obviously it bolstered their voting numbers.
		But they don't really seem to be concerned about the impact of mass migration on young people, which has been detrimental.
		I mean, they're crowded out of the universities, you know, finding a job is impossible.
		Everything.
		Everything just like sucks now.
		And a lot of that is attributable to this mass migration project.
		So that's what's so strange to see that.
		That's not strange.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's just, it's what's interesting to see this slavish devotion to this mass migration project by the boomers because it's just screwing over the next generation so blatantly.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's indefensible.
unidentified		Sure, but it's, I mean, if you're a retired homeowner, there's, if you're just looking out for your own interests, it's hard to see what the downside is of mass migration.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		You're hanging out of your home.
unidentified		You need a lot of help in terms of services, human services, right?
unidentified		You're getting to the point where, you know, maybe you're, maybe you're an assisted living or something like that.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		You know, so the lower wage, you know, the less, the cheaper it is to get into assisted living because of lower wage labor available.
unidentified		That's good.
unidentified		Increased competition for housing means that the value of your home continues to go up and up and up and up.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		So there's a lot and more.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		That's also another reason.
unidentified		This is something I'm not sure who pointed out.
		Maybe Peter Thiel pointed this out.
		That even crime actually ends up helping the boomer liberal.
		The fewer places that are livable in your city, the higher the housing values are in the places that are livable.
		That's true.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		So all of these dynamics that President Trump is fighting for that are really that hurt the quality of life of younger people trying to start families, younger people trying to raise young children.
unidentified		And so their weight, so it's about wages and safety and quality of life and reduced competition for, you know, the downsides of immigration.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		It's younger people who feel those pains most acutely, but elderly boomers might just be thinking, well, you know, well, who's who's going to mow my lawn?
unidentified		Right.
		And how much more am I going to have to pay for that?
		Who's who's going to take care of me at the nursing home?
		Because obviously my grandkids won't.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		So it's, you know, you have an interesting generational war.
unidentified		And we have to remember the boomers are the largest generation.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		They've been, they've had political power for such a long time.
unidentified		You look at it, people of that age outside of Obama, it's been boomer presidents since Bill Clinton, basically.
		You know, I think an interesting thing that people may not realize is I think Clinton, George W. Bush, and Donald Trump were all born in the exact same year.
		And that's 24 years of presidency by people born in 1946.
		Yeah.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		The first baby boom year.
unidentified		Like there's, there's, that's not a coincidence.
		Oh my gosh.
		Yeah.
		Well, that's a good point.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I didn't even think about that with the crowding out, like crime basically clearing out parts of the city.
unidentified		Because like I'm from Memphis, there's like five blocks left that you can live on.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like it's a total war zone.
unidentified		And those where you can live in Memphis, I'm sure ain't the cheapest, even though, and it's especially not cheap relative to the sort of salaries that normal middle class to upper middle class people are going to be able to get in Memphis.
		Yeah.
		And Kevlar is expensive.
		Yeah.
		I'm sure it is.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		That's true everywhere where there's, there's a city where there's major crime issues is that the cost of you almost see you see a consistent theme where it's, there are both major crime issues in the inner city and then the cost of living outside the city and in reasonably well-located suburbs is just enormous.
unidentified		So this may be kind of more like an esoteric question, but maybe it's useful to the audience.
		What would you think is driving, because obviously the Snow Kings protest was quite old.
		I estimated the most gratuitous sort of estimation I could give was what I saw in DC.
		I would say about 66% were of retirement age.
		How much of that animosity towards the Trump administration is driven by sort of this anxiety surrounding maybe, you know, protecting their own interests and also that boomers are kind of on the way out versus how many of them are genuinely convinced that Trump is like a fascist dictator and they feel like that they're part of this great standoff.
		I think it's more, I think it's more the latter.
		I don't think it's this self-we talk a lot about the boomer interests and obviously I think that the boomer interest explains why they don't see the downsides of mass migration.
		For example, they don't feel them at all, right?
		If anything, it's just positives for them.
		So that from their perspective, they're like, ICE is doing, ICE is taking away my employees, but like people I like.
		So that's their view.
		But when it comes to why they're fighting so hard against Trump, that's definitely more this kind of almost quasi-religious feeling that they're part, you know, this is a meaningful life project for them at the end of their life.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		They see Trump as, I think, representing the antagonism towards their basic values and antagonism towards the basic way they've understood the world since Woodstock.
unidentified		Yeah.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		You know, and that's, you know, Trump, if anything, is a traitor to the boomer class is a way to think about it.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I mean, well, you got to think they've invested 60 years at, you know, beyond six years, but at least of their lifetime, 60 years towards this political project that's now being unraveled and let's just say second term Trump, really just being unraveled in nine months.
		I mean, that would make me infuriated if I were like a, you know, libtard boomer.
		I mean, I would be absolutely furious watching this happen.
		And I would feel that sort of anxiety of like, oh, wait, the history books.
		What about the history books?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
unidentified		What about my curriculum, my college curriculum?
		You can just not do that.
		You can govern in a different way.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You can, you can actually look out for, you know, the American people.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That would, that would bring me a tremendous amount of anxiety if I were, you know, of that affliction, I would say.
unidentified		Yeah.
		You notice that it's the insults have steered completely in the direction of fascist and authoritarian.
		Like if you go back four or five years, in first Trump won, it was racist.
		It was sexist.
		It was, you know, traitor Russia, you know, all that random stuff.
		And it's like all that stuff has failed.
		All that stuff's out the window.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think broader society has moved past the Black Lives Matter era.
unidentified		Most of us, especially in the, since the admin of body cams, I think most people realize that was the fundamental thesis that was built on was just wrong.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		You know, cops are good people.
unidentified		They're dealing with they're dealing with criminals.
		Everybody camp video has the victim looking incredibly looking incredibly unreasonable.
		Um, so now you're just fascist and authoritarian and a tyranny, blah blah blah.
		Like, no kings itself is just so silly.
		Like, you know, we're in the middle of a government shutdown.
		Trump isn't randomly stealing money or ordering the treasury to print more to fund the government operations.
		He's not ordering, you know, he's obeying every court order and then going to the Supreme Court and winning.
		Right?
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		This is not a guy who's disrespecting the basic limits on his Article II power.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		He's just asserting the prerogatives that have been there the whole time.
unidentified		Yeah, that's what's so strange.
		Is like, if Trump were behaving like a king, you wouldn't be allowed to do it.
		He wouldn't be allowed to break.
		We would have just banned the protest and arrested him.
		Right.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
		It's like, yeah, hear me out.
		Maybe we should have.
		Yeah.
		No kings.
		But you know, that's actually now they think about it.
		Now that percolates a little bit, you know, maybe a Caesar.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		What is the story of why did the Constitution replace the Articles of Confederation?
unidentified		Why did the founders create a strong executive branch?
		It's because the Articles of Confederation were a mess.
		The central government was so weak, it couldn't do anything.
		It couldn't collect taxes.
		It couldn't put down riots.
		It couldn't do anything.
		You know, Hamilton is the deep thinker behind the presidency and why it was created.
		It actually is created to be a fairly strong office.
		It doesn't get the rights right to law, but it adds every shred of executive power belongs to the president of the United States.
		And one, and it's just a single one because that person is supposed to act with energy and dispatch.
		You know, the in a way, I think the boomers often, oh, here's another point.
		I just thought of this: the boomers' political self-development matched Nixon, it matched the 70s, which post-Nixon was the nader of executive power in this country.
		You think of all the different bills that were passed to deal with as correctives to the Nixon era, things like FOIA, you know, all these restrictions on the executive branch.
		So they grew up with the idea that it's important to have a weak executive to, you know, to protect liberty, but that's not always true.
		And certainly it's not true in a world where you have this massive congressional sclerosis and you need the one guy who's elected by the entire country to use the executive power to help move things forward.
		Yeah.
		Well, and that kind of gets at another point: I showed some pictures earlier, but I mean, people see for themselves.
		They've kind of changed their optical strategy around a little bit and they're using a lot of appeals to our what they perceive as our founding principles, right?
		They would say, oh, no kings for 250 years.
		What's with this 180?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Because a week ago, they were like dragging Columbus and calling him like a genocidal maniac.
unidentified		And then a week later, they're like appealing to Thomas Jefferson and stuff like that.
		What is going on with this LARP, like this optical, you know, runaround that they're trying to pull on us?
		I think it's that subtle tension between sort of more the boomer liberals and the younger liberals who don't really care that much about this democracy stuff.
		They don't really care too much about historical traditions as far as the younger generation of lefties thinks.
		That's all scaffolding for oppression.
		So they don't really care.
		But there's plenty of people in the Democrat Party who realize that they're not going to win the middle of the country if they're not seen as at least appealing to basic patriotic principles.
		Yeah.
		So you have this tension between them where you have – and then at the patriotic protests, you have the woman mocking the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
		It's just this internal tension of the left that contains these people who want to say that Trump is a tyrant and we need to restore American ideals versus the people who are like actually a communist revolution would be great.
		Yeah.
		Well, and beyond that, the lady that was mocking the Kirk assassination, she was holding a Mexican flag.
		It's almost like you can't even make this up.
		Yeah.
		GPT wouldn't let you generate that.
		Like it's – Yeah.
		It's so crazy.
		But yeah, go ahead.
		No, no, no.
		You go first.
		Yeah.
		Well, I was just saying like – and then you compare that back to the LA riots earlier this year where it was clearly just a Mexican nationalist, like I would say almost borderline insurgency.
		That's what it certainly felt like.
		I wasn't on the ground, but that's how I perceive it when you're shutting it on highways and attacking federal buildings.
		Um, it's it's this weird, this retconning where it's like the older boomers in the Democrat Party, really just the older establishment.
		I mean, this includes the upper end of Gen X as well, grew up in a vastly different America than it exists now.
		And so they're they're like kind of like, guys, what wait, you're no, you're supposed to wave the American flag and LARP.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like, what are you guys doing?
unidentified		And like you're hitting on, there's this massive divide.
		And I don't know how much longer, you know, we're going to see this Democrat Party that at least tries to make these, you know, appeals.
		I think we're just going to see a third worldist party in the not too distant future.
		I think that's right.
		I think it's going to be a third worldist party.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that the sort of patriotic old school boomer liberals.
unidentified		And I mean, they just have a particular kind of patriotism, but it at least is like an attempt to be patriotic.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		You know, whereas you compare, you know, the woman with the Kirk assassination holding a Mexican flag is making no effort to be a patriotic American.
		Right.
		But the older generation is going to pass on.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be the, you know, us and, you know, the younger Republicans dealing with the younger Democrats.
unidentified		And I think the younger Democrats are indeed going to be a third worldist party, a party driven by, you know, the resentments and animosities of the countries where they came from or the countries of their allies.
		So, you know, Mexican flags and Palestinian flags and you name it.
		That's going to be what drives the Democratic Party.
		And so the Republican Party is going to be the pro-American party.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, I mean, Zoron's like a great example of the future of the party.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like there's this whole attempt to try and clear the field for Cuomo so that he can take on Zoron 101.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, I get it, right?
unidentified		But you're just kicking the can for like four years down the road because the next, if it's not Zoron, it's going to be another person pretty much exactly like him.
		Like that actually is the future of the Democrats.
		It's a feature, not a bug of the new Democrat Party.
		And yeah, and you're seeing with No Kings, obviously people are not afraid to mock Charlie Kirk.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's like we're going to be dealing with a party that resembles like the EFF in South Africa, the Kill the Boer party.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And people are not waking up to that.
		And this No Kings, I guess, is buying them a little more time rhetorically.
		But like, you're going to get more and more Zorons.
		And it's the Republicans are going to have to use, you know, get a little meaner, I think.
		Yeah, well, it's just a realization that, you know, as long as we keep, if we keep winning the presidency and we keep winning the bulk of the state houses because so many states are Republican, it's just about taking responsibility for being sovereign, right?
		Like, and I think Tennessee is starting to do that.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		You know, Tennessee said, guess what?
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		We're going to make Memphis safe now, even if Memphis has a local blue mayor.
unidentified		We don't care.
		Tennessee's a red state.
		We're going to call in National Guard.
		We're going to restore order to Memphis.
		Similarly, Trump is talking about how he wants to bring order to San Francisco, bring order to other blue cities.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		He should.
unidentified		We, the Republican Party, should be the party.
		We're not the small government party.
		We're the party of proper governance.
		We're the party of law and order, of legal migration, of prosperity and flourishing for the people who have a legal right to be here.
		Yeah, totally.
		There was kind of one more sort of factor at play with the No Kings is what we saw with the political violence, the ramping up of political violence.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		To me, that's actually an indication that the Republicans are winning overwhelmingly, where the Democrats feel like maybe the Democrats, but the sort of leftist elements of the Democrat Party feel like they're backed into a corner, feel like they're completely shut out from political power.
unidentified		And so they lash out with political violence because that's all they know how to do.
		The No Kings protest, like, obviously it was, you know, there was a fairly large turnout.
		They're estimating five, five million.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like, that's not nothing, right?
unidentified		But at large, the Democrat Party really just feels demoralized.
		And that's a really worrying thing.
		And I don't think these No Kings protests are going to mask the reality, which is that the Democrat Party is ultimately shut out of power.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They're realizing this with the shutdown.
unidentified		They're realizing the Republicans are like, okay, fine.
		We'll just sit back and wait for you guys to come to the negotiating table.
		It's a new look, GOP combined with a demoralized Democrat Party.
		Like, where does this go?
		How do I like this?
		This doesn't look good from the calculus.
		No, and I think, I mean, they're really, you know, Democrats kind of, again, it's what we talked about earlier, the fact that the Obama administration's legacy is so poor that nobody's sticking by it at all, but there's nothing else motivating it.
		And so you end up with a case where the only people with like a positive vision for the country or like at least something, a vision itself, right?
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		You know, as they'd say of the big Lebowski, like at least it's an ethos, the idea that, but at least the communists have an idea of what they want to do.
unidentified		Sure.
		And I don't know that the boomer liberals have an idea of what they want to do with power.
		I don't know that they do.
		I think they just want to hold on to it for its own sake and for their own sake and just stop people from deporting.
		It's like an anti-deportation party, I guess.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		But, you know, you can see that with like they're trying to find a message and the only one they can land on is healthcare, right?
		They're like, oh, we're going to make, you know, put our flag down and fight to deal with the bump in Obamacare insurance premiums.
		It's like, well, that begs the question.
		Like, why, why are those premiums going to go up like crazy in the first place?
		Oh, right.
		Because Obamacare failed because Obamacare is a mess and requires a trillion and a half in subsidies just to make it so that people can have unbelievably crappy health insurance.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Like it's, it's a completely miserable failure.
unidentified		So they don't, what are they?
		What's what's there?
		What's motivating the moderate liberal left?
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		And as a result, you find them being, they're all like the people who are doing Pod Save America.
unidentified		They're in the replies of Hassan Piker, right?
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Who's just an anti-American communist.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Another, you know, if not, if not for the fact that he was born in New Jersey, he would be a great candidate for denaturalization and deportation.
		It's true.
		But they're because Hassan at least is saying, like, here's the project I want.
		The DSA is at least saying, here's what we're going to do.
		We're going to be socialists.
		It's a terrible idea.
		It's going to ruin everything, but like, it's something.
		So nothing.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		No, it's true.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I mean, because you, yeah, and you have this like, yeah, like you're talking about like this Ezra Klein.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I don't even call it a wing of the Democrat Party because I really don't think they actually have that many ears and the Democrat establishment.
unidentified		I think, like you said, the older sort of rungs of the Democrat Party are really just concerned of maintaining political power.
unidentified		And that's why you've got this schizophrenic messaging at the No Kings protests.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like I was there, Bernie Sanders got up and he was like railing on like Elon Musk.
unidentified		And then like Mehdi Hassan gets up and he's like complaining about ICE.
		It's like they weren't even focused on like what specifically they had a problem about with Trump beyond the fact that he's Trump.
		Yeah.
		And I think that's, you know, the Never Trump stuff has just completely lost, run out of gas.
		You know, all the lawfare failed.
		Every project to get rid of Trump has completely failed at this point.
		And now Trump is at the apex of his power after 10 years of the Democrat movement being solely focused on taking him down.
		Yeah.
		So it leaves them kind of bereft of a message and it's going to be hard for them to reconstruct out of this.
		And I mean, you look at the polling, you know, people don't blame Trump for the shutdown.
		They think, oh, healthcare is good, but the Democrats should probably come to the table.
		And I mean, Republicans are going to be willing to make some sort of deal.
		They don't want healthcare insurance premiums despite, you know, 5X for people for 10% of the population.
		They don't want that.
		So they'll figure out some sort of accommodation there.
		But like, that's why you're building your platform on.
		And I guess the final point I would make on that specifically is that, you know, what Ezra Klein is trying to be doing is this abundance thing.
		But Ezra Klein knows that it's the crime issues and the illegal immigration use that are pissing everybody off.
		But it's such a core part of the Democratic Party platform that you can't get rid of it.
		Yeah.
		So what do you even do?
		Like, you know, the Republicans get to stand on, well, like, we're just going to make life better for people by putting criminals in jail and deporting illegal immigrants and releasing liberating energy policies and making it easier to have a family.
		Yeah.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		And like Democrats are stuck on, you know, if there are three big issues that dominate American politics right now, it's immigration, crime, and the economy.
unidentified		And the Democrats are on the 2080 side and two of them on immigration and crime.
		Yeah.
		It's a disaster.
		I mean, that's even like No Kings.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's just, they're not actually concerned about the, they're on the wrong side of the policy.
unidentified		They, they're just convinced that it's maybe the messaging that's wrong.
unidentified		So they keep trying to like repackage the messaging.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They trot out some like 25-year-old who has like, you know, the hedge fund manager dad to like maybe try and like appeal to Zoomers or something.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, no, it's the policy sucks.
unidentified		Like you can actually have terrible, you can have terrible messaging, but still get across the finish line with great policy.
		The Republicans did it.
		They can.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it's actually, I mean, think about how little, you know, how much hard Trump had to work to win in 2016 and how aligned the messaging forces of the world were against him.
unidentified		Right.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		But he was just the guy saying illegal immigration is bad.
unidentified		Crime is bad.
		We should kick our enemies' asses.
		We have fair trade deals.
		And just a huge chunk of the country is like, yeah, that.
		Yeah.
		We want that.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		We want we want that.
		And immigration is horribly unpopular everywhere.
		Everywhere.
		Not just in the United States.
		It's the driver of every politics in a Western country.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		And it's driver politics in Japan now, too.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter where you are.
unidentified		Like every existing Western society, the popularity of immigration is just at best 65, 35 against.
		And so if you're running on the wrong side of that, you're just, you're struggling for a message because the other side gets to say about, because it's such a meta-issue.
		It controls how everything else in society works.
		You know, like you're talking about healthcare.
		It's like, okay, but illegal immigration is a big driver of the cost of healthcare because illegal immigrants consume so much healthcare at the emergency room, which is why you have everybody has to go to some crappy urgent care and get mediocre care there because they can't go to the emergency room because the line is insane.
will chamberlain ▲ ● ▼		Like every, you know, housing prices, illegal immigration, like you crime illegal immigration.
unidentified		It all, it all ties together.
		Yeah.
		Even it even trickles down to like the crappy manifestations of liberal democracy.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like I was in Zambia and I was asking like a cab driver.
unidentified		I was like, what is the big problem?
		And he's like, it's these Malawians coming in and causing problems.
		So it's like, even like, even in the heart of Africa, they're like fed up with illegal immigration.
		Yeah.
		It's true.
		It's true everywhere.
		And I mean, it's, it's a fundamental source of tension in all these Western democracies.
		And until, and unless, I mean, we're in a position, we're lucky in the sense that we don't have the problems that like the United Kingdom does or France does, where they're having a whole new set of problems where they've got, because they have mass Muslim immigration, which is, I would say, honestly, the worst kind.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Frankly.
		Like, you know, you have like outright Islamist MPs in Britain bragging about banning Israeli soccer fans from showing up to us.
		Thankfully, we don't have that, but it's an indicator, it's a reminder that we need to make sure that, you know, the border is the one place we actually can enforce these things because we have the First Amendment protecting freedom of speech and freedom of religion in a way that the European countries don't.
		So they can be more aggressive about dealing with the downsides of Islamist politicians, but we can't.
		So we need to like make sure that there is not serious Islamic immigration to our country.
		Yeah, absolutely.
		Well, well, we're running out of time.
		So first of all, happy Diwali.
		And where can people find in the spirit of mass immigration?
		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		You can find me at Will Chamberlain on X. You can find the Article 3 project at a3paction.com, where you can see what we're going, what we have going on in terms of projects, activism projects that you can email your centers and representatives for.
		And those are the two big places.
		But follow me on X. Sweet.
		Love it.
		Well, appreciate it, Will.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Until next time.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		All right.
		All righty.
		Well, that was the great Will Chamberlain.
		That was fantastic.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He came in and he explained it all.
unidentified		See, I can't, I can't, sometimes I can't sort of articulate at that high of a level.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So he comes in and just drives it home.
unidentified		So thanks to Will.
unidentified		It's a great show.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We will be back tonight for Timcast IRL at 8 p.m.
unidentified		I don't know if you saw the schedule.
unidentified		Head on over to Timcast News on Twitter and check out the schedule.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We've got some names on this week that I think you'll find very interesting.
unidentified		So head on over there.
unidentified		But yeah, we'll be back tonight at 8 p.m. for Timcast IRL.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You can find me on X and Instagram and elsewhere at RealTate Brown.
unidentified		Follow me on X specifically.
		I'm active on there.
		And with that, thank you very much for watching.
		We will see you all next time.
		Oh, and we will raid Dvore Dawkins.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We will.
unidentified		So let me get that darkens rather.
		Sorry.
		We will get that raid going here.
		One second.
		Look at this.
		We're doing it live.
		Like Bill O'Reilly right now.
		Is he live?
		Oh, he is.
		Oh, he is alive.
		He is live and he's getting after it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So I'm going to send you all over there.
unidentified		Boom.
unidentified		I got to put a space in here.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Bang.
unidentified		Confirm raid.
		Oh, yeah.
		All right.
		We'll head on over there.
		Enjoy the show over there.
		Thank you very much for watching.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We'll see you all later.

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