Antifa Is A Terror Organization, Crackdown Coming As Leftists Defend Violence w/ Nick Sortor, Andy Ngo, James Klug & Richie McGinniss
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And uh now I got like four different jobs now, so I won't I won't list them, but at Richie McGuinness, and uh I was on the ground for a lot of this stuff in 2020.
You guys all have a lot of expertise in ground reporting in research and what's been going on with the far left and antifa over the past several years.
And we've really seen in the second Trump administration a big focus on this kind of violence.
Um we've seen a crackdown in Portland, which is amazing in part because of Andy and my colleague Katie Davscourt, who's been out there since June covering the violence at the ICE facilities.
What do you attribute this resurgence in attention to Antifa under the Trump administration?
Why is he so invested in dealing with this?
We saw the first ever round table at the White House about Antifa.
That's never happened before.
I've never seen, none of us has ever seen the president sit down with independent journalists and reporters, uh, street reporters, people have been assaulted, people have been doxxed, all of this stuff.
We've never seen a president sit down and actually take independent journalists seriously about their work.
The Biden administration shut independent journalists out.
Yeah, well, there are a couple of things or events that have happened this year.
Um so the violence against ICE has started since June in Portland in particular, but it's spread to cities across the US.
That's just general left-wing violence.
It includes a coalition of that has many of the same people from 2020, but Mexican nationalists, you know, open borders extremists have been brought into that coalition in July in Alvarado, Texas.
Their prairie prairie land ice facility was shot up in an ambush shooting attack by members allegedly of a North Texas Antifa cell.
Some of them were also members of a John Brown gun club, which is a far left militia group.
So in that instance, there was allegedly a group of 16 to 17 of them who conspired, carried out the shooting, an officer was shot in the neck.
And several of them, most many of them were caught that night or in the coming days.
One, the alleged ringleader, Benjamin Song was on the run and was found almost two weeks later.
It was a huge FBI manhunt, uh, and he was being hidden in a safe and essentially sent Antifa safe house in Dallas.
Um there have been a number of attacks on journalists in Portland, uh influencers and others who have visited.
And I think what really pushed it through the line in terms of like a White House agenda item was I believe the assassination of Charlie Cook.
The in the immediate days after that, there was a lot of lies and misinformation spread by the left.
They said that the suspect was far right, that he was a Christian nationalist, all these horrible lies that went quite mainstream on the left to obfuscate from what was written on the rifle cartridges, a fascist catch, the lyrics of Bella Chow.
I mean, when the um governor of Utah read the lyrics of Bella Chow.
I know it went over the the ears of most people, and they may not be familiar with that Italian folk song, but that's that has become been adopted as like the worldwide anti-fa anthem.
And there's not a lot of space you can use to write on these rifle cartridges and the fact that one of the four was dedicated to that, I think says a lot.
Uh, but I I think it uh in terms of this the the White House being uh sort of I guess shocked into this uh round table that we were all you know very grateful that we were all invited to this.
And I mean they they picked some great people uh to go.
Uh I mean Andy's been working on this for the longest time, and then you know, uh I think one of the the catalysts to like a lot has happened over the past 10 days, including the assault of Katie Davis court there in Portland, where the uh I I mean I've talked about this a lot over the over the past 10 days because it's so infuriating to me to watch this video of Katie being, you know, hit with a flagpole, given a concussion.
Uh she still has a black eye.
I saw it, you know, two days ago at the White House, and uh and watching the the Portland police tell uh like just walk slowly behind the assailant, say you're detained, and then the assailant saying uh no I'm not f you and then walking away.
Uh that infuriated uh a lot of conservatives, especially like reporters and influencers, that then immediately went to Portland and then started covering it on the ground, and then you know, you know it really created a ground swell.
Everyone's sick and tired of hearing Antifa what they took over an entire literally like annexed a block right outside of federal property, and then you show up for less than 24 hours, and you're the one that gets arrested.
Yeah, and I mean I I think that uh that really showed the contrast here.
We see the video of Katie's uh assailant giving the finger to the police and not being arrested, uh, which I think was total like now they put out this uh what would they put out now?
Like this this bulletin or this uh uh bolo, like be on the lookout for this person.
Also, it doesn't even matter with that specific group being all black blocked necessarily because 95% of them are just unfortunate shapes and sizes, to where you can pretty much like Andy Nelly.
You ask Andy, yeah, you ask Andy now to identify somebody based on the shape or size, and he'll be like, Yeah, that's this individual.
They have this they have this rap sheet of uh uh you know, arrest reports and all that stuff.
Um, I know it's pretty early on in the Trump administration, right?
What eight months, nine months, eight months?
Yeah, uh well, well, nine months, whatever.
Something like that.
Anyways, um the reason I'm saying that is because yes, it's still early on, but I do think that this round table pointed at a common trend that we're seeing.
The status quo is over, you know.
We're we're we're sick and tired of seeing that these These militant groups can just assault journalists and conservatives with impunity.
Nobody's gonna do anything about it.
Yeah, sure.
Local leaders obviously aren't gonna do anything about it.
In fact, they're probably just gonna arrest you for showing up and reporting on it.
But um, you know, when it comes to the actual federal government, they're gonna put pressure on leadership to actually do something.
And if they're not gonna do anything, they're gonna go and you know, make moves on their own.
And so, and you can feel that on the ground.
Andy, I I don't know if you kind of noticed a little bit more of uh taming or or Antifa, just they're not sending out their their most insane troops.
And if they are, they're probably getting arrested and getting slapped with federal charges now, you know.
But it's really different compared to 2020 and 2021 for sure, 100%.
It's a different vibe on the ground for and I was only there, I know a couple days recently.
There's no leaf blowers, they don't even have leaf blowers yet, let alone the metal saws they used to uh saw the fences down.
I I think that's why we're seeing it though, because Trump administration in 2020, you know, sent in the DHS troops, which is kind of the equivalent of the ice now to defend the federal courthouse, and they were you know only able to to protect that one little area surrounding the federal courthouse, and it persisted for like 150 days.
And that was not something that was really I mean, dude, you were hiding in 2020 for sure.
I mean, most people were at least, and if you weren't, you're probably getting assaulted or even worse, right?
It was like it was pretty pretty hairy for for a moment there.
But uh the other night when when we were at the ice facility in Portland, you know, you have like 30 conservatives showing up, showing support for ice.
They were a bunch of different Andy was the only one.
I mean, I remember you were literally wearing talk about being able to identify somebody from a silhouette.
You were wearing like all black ski goggles, not even a single inch of skin was exposed, and they're like, there's Andy No, like within two seconds of you showing up.
They ended up being arrested after uh because I I ended up like hitting the gun out of his hand, which was really stupid at the time.
Well, I wanted my phone, though.
I didn't have any money.
So it's like, you know, I didn't have much to lose.
Uh so but I jumped the fence in the uh they did this in front of the 911 call center, is where this happened down at uh at in Louisville, and a bunch of the only people that were there were EMTs that had radios, so they were able to radio, but it took the police 10 minutes to get there because there was a two-mile no-go zone for police in downtown Louisville.
And and speaking of that, I just I just want to say this while we're on that topic.
Uh Brett Hankison, who was one of the officers in the Brianna Taylor raid, is now sentenced to I believe four years in prison, and I think he reports like Monday.
Yeah, I mean, that there was that whole lie where uh they said that she was, and and I mean, you know, yeah, I mean, I I like she shouldn't have been for sure.
And then you look into their funding, and it's just like uh it's just like any other, you know, the Muslim Brotherhood or radical Islamist cells around the world that they'll just rename themselves.
So now you have Indivisible, which is funded by the Open Society Foundation, George Soros' foundation.
They give a million bucks, and then Indivisible is funding the signs and the transportation for these protests, and then Antifa then takes this large gathering and uses that as an opportunity to then instigate police, use that as a power vacuum.
Well, I wanted to sort of recap 2020 because five years ago to me seems like I remember it very clearly since I was on the ground.
But maybe people who a lot some people at this table weren't um even in the news world then, and those who are listening, watching, that was a long time ago.
The the riots were so sustained, violent, and organized.
I cannot overstate that.
Like in Portland, I saw it in Seattle in particular.
They had like big brigades within the the riot um mob.
So right now, people might be the after some of the people at this table went to Portland.
Now, now in the national media, even the international media, they're showing up to saying, look, it's uh it's completely fine at 12 uh in the afternoon outside the Portland Ice facility or at night they're never there at night.
They're showing up at night now, but they weren't there when things were really bad before.
So a snapshot of one night can be misleading from these um the legacy media.
And they're capturing footage of like a per people in these animal costumes.
There's one uh his name is Sus, who's been wearing the frog one.
And it's meant the the costumes are it serves a propaganda purpose.
Like it's meant to make on a video on a on a photo or a short video clip.
It makes that demonstration look like a family-friendly children's type of event, nothing dangerous, don't think about the violence that happened before.
It kind of whitewashes everything that had been happening since June.
In 2020, people Antifa, they used a similar tactic.
They didn't use costumes at that time.
They had their female comrades wear these yellow shirts, and they recruited women leftists to come and stand at the front of the riot, and they hooked arms and they called themselves wall of moms.
So they weren't in black blocks, so they were wearing masks, but you could see their eyes and hairs.
And I recognize some of them as these are these are the same.
Some of them were wearing the uh were involved in mil violent militancy in the other nights.
And surely enough, when the cameras weren't pointed on them, some of the so-called wall of mums people would go up and try to tear off the plywood that was um on the US federal courthouse.
So this was a literal insurrection against the US government.
People would throw in explosive devices, um bombs and Molotov cocktails.
They try to set the building on fire.
It was besieged night after night for an entire month.
There was also so the wall of moms was at the front.
These were the human body shields, and that's where all the cameras would face them.
Behind them would be the people in the black block who would throw the projectile weapons, and they brought things that were meant to look not very dangerous, like a water bottle.
Well, the water bottles were frozen.
What do you think happens when that's thrown at somebody's head with force?
They had lasers, so it looked like, oh, cool, a lot a laser light show.
No, when you have 50 people directing these lasers at the eyes of an individual officer, you get injuries that can damage the eye permanently.
And there were dozens of federal agents whose eyes are injured.
And on the laser subject, right now, um, a an antifo blog in Portland has put out flyers and put out posts online calling for other comrades to try to uh aim all their lasers at the pilot that flies the DHS helicopter over the ice facility.
I was having a conversation with someone in my family who's pretty lefty the other day, and I was saying this Antifa stuff, you know, and I was talking about what was going on at the White House, and she was like, Well, isn't it just a bunch of moms?
And I was like, No, no, it's not.
You're remembering a headline that was also just fake.
They're they're so lucky that they have the entire like media machine backing them up, comedy, entertainment, whatever it may, late night comedy, whatever it may be, they have all that backing them up.
So all they really need is those little movements, right?
Those moms or the people in the costumes to use as propaganda, so you can say, Oh, well, look, it's like this.
So I was talking to Andy on the way over here, and what you'll notice is Democrat politicians, commentators, whatever it may be, are saying, Oh, really?
I mean, Antifa doesn't seem dangerous.
Look, these people are wearing costumes.
And it's like when we're having this conversation, we're talking about 2020.
We're talking about 2021.
We're talking about over the last four years, we're talking about now, right?
And it's all of that mixed together that forms our views on these left-wing militants, right?
Not just one little photo or one little video of five minutes with some guy in a costume dancing in front of police officers, right?
Because if the video was just by itself and that was the only thing, you'd probably look at that and you say, Yeah, it's kind of funny.
Yeah, well, they had this guy that was strategically placed when Christy Gnome was up on the uh on the rooftop there at the ice facility.
There's this guy in this chicken costume that was in the middle of the crowd that was that was outside.
Uh, and you know, they kept saying, Oh, well, look, there's nothing, there's nothing happening out here.
It's uh it's it's really light.
There's, you know, this isn't a riot or whatever.
Well, the reason that there were so few people out there when Christy Noam was there is because Portland police cleared the block, like they should do every single night.
When she showed up in for California same, they wanted to make sure that they had it under control so that the pictures that came out from from Christy Gnome's visit did not look like that there was a uh that there was lawlessness outside the ice facility.
Now, there is no reason that uh this was the proposal that DHS made, which doesn't seem that it's uh too uh too far out there.
Just give them a place where they can protest.
They're not saying that you can't protest, they're just saying you can't protest in the middle of the street and block our agents and uh and you know, uh hamper uh deportations.
Like we give you a f uh a zone over here where you can protest, not in the middle of the street.
I mean, Portland police could do that very, very easily if they actually wanted to, and that would solve most of these problems, but they don't want to.
That's like um during the Biden administration, you had all of this nonsense about even before free speech zones on college campuses, and conservatives were like shunted into these little corners of campuses where they could talk about you know things like pro-life and all kinds of other stuff.
Um, but they're not willing to put protesters who are violently attacking law enforcement, like you can have part of the block, you can't have the whole block.
You know why they don't have the centralized leadership structure?
It's because they've learned these are far less violent extremists who've learned from the mistakes from the Weather Underground, Black Liberation Army, and other communist terrorist groups in the 60s and 70s, which young people today have no idea even existed.
That for a period of time in America there were terror cells carrying out bombings, killings, jailbreak-ins, shooting people dead, make manufacturing bombs at home and exploding buildings, and they these were centralized groups.
So many terror attacks that people just aren't aware of that were done by the left just two generate two generations ago.
Um, so learning from those mistakes, the militants today say we we cannot organize in that type of way.
It's too easy to you take out like a leader or several key figures, and then the whole group basically kind of falls apart.
Now they anti for organize in a decentralized way, autonomously.
And I I bring up the example of radical Islam because people are more aware of it and it's been around terrorism, and has been around longer in that regard.
You antifa is an ideology.
So when Christopher Ray, former FBI director said that at a hearing several years ago, he was not wrong.
When Biden said that during a debate, it's not wrong, it's just incomplete.
I mean, yes, it's an ideology, neo-Naziism is an ideology, fascism's an ideology, communism ideology.
What matters is how people organize around that world ideology, right?
And it can manifest in very different ways.
Radical Islam can include international terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda, uh Al-Shabad, Boko Haram, ISIS.
That has where there's leadership, you know, who's out to talk.
And then it can also be groups like Muslim Brotherhood who are part of the Islamist ideology as well, and they function as charities in a number of Western countries, nonprofits.
Um and then there are those who consume the extremist propaganda that's online and become a lone wolf radicalized individual and takes direct action.
So the Antifa ideology manifests in all that way in all those ways.
And some of the groups don't even have the name Antifa in it, but they are an Antifa group.
For example, going back to 2020, the group that organized the riots in Portland in Seattle was the Youth Liberation Front.
They don't have Antifa on the name.
They were an Antifa group.
So I I my annoyance was people in the media and others who say, well, you know, who's the leader of it?
Oh, I don't see a registered entity.
It's like that that's the point.
That's why they organize in that way.
So that they can just fade into the back and say there's no organized structure so that they can continue carrying out acts of organized violence.
Just look at the footage of the riots.
That's extremely organized.
They have sources of funding through crowdfunding.
Um, they're supported through mutual aid groups, so-called mutual aid groups that give them food, bail support, um, so access to pro bono lawyers.
And a lot of those organizations get funding either at the federal level or at the state level.
So taxpayers are funding Antifa.
I keep bringing that up.
Also, the rioters are encouraged to get arrest, actually trained and encouraged to get arrests.
And the reason for that is so that they can become party to mass lawsuits against police departments and cities for huge settlements and in liberal jurisdictions.
They just subtle, subtle, subtle, no problem.
One million million, twenty million.
There are some rioters getting hundreds of thousands because they were arrested and they alleged police brutality in Portland or any many of these other cities.
So there's this whole apparatus.
Mainstream media is very important to them.
That's why they're so angry about Paramount buying um free press and placing Barry Weiss at uh in editor-in-chief of CBS, because they need the um fellow travelers who work in ideological fellow travelers who work in mainstream media to mainstream their propaganda, and they need um stenographers for their lies there, and they need the um useful idiots as well who parrot certain things out of ignorance.
And you also see, so we've seen a lot of mainstream media covering up for this stuff.
You're calling them um fellow travelers, fellow ideological travelers in this antifa journey, and you also see a lot of times mainstream media um claiming that you guys aren't journalists, right?
I saw a stat that yeah, I saw this spat with Savannah Hernandez, who of course is terrific.
I mean, that's the only way that they can delegitimize what we're saying is uh is to say, no, you're not actually a journalist, you're uh an agitator or you're a counter-protester.
Uh I and I I don't believe I know they want to say that that email was an accident.
I absolutely don't believe that was an accident.
That is total BS.
I mean, counter-protester is a uh I I never once did I see Katie out there uh going up and confronting uh these people on the streets out in front of the ice facility and yelling at them, and I mean that that would be a counter protester, right?
I think what Brandy Cruz did at the um or what she said at the Antifa round table was spot On and uh she she said a lot of great things, but one of the things that she was talking about was that round table was for the administration to hear everyone out, that round table was for the American people to listen to.
That round table was not for you know the hyenas in the media, like that's not who it was for.
She called them out before they even ran with their stories.
She said, You guys are just gonna say that we're activists, you guys are gonna say that we're MAGA influencers, you guys are gonna say that Antifa's not real.
And what did they do after, right?
They did exactly that.
Because everyone, it's the same tired game that they always play, right?
This group that was responsible for inciting a majority or uh, I don't know, about a solid half of the most violent riots in 2020, 2021.
Antifa, the group that was responsible for most likely starting most of those.
Uh, you know, you're talking what billions of dollars of damage to communities all over the country.
You're talking about thousands of officer casualties.
You're talking about, I mean, geez, dozens of people dying because of those riots.
So I mean, to to keep running with the idea that, oh, it's just an ideology, oh, it's just that that's all it is.
And it's there's not there's no other physical activity attached to it.
That's all it is.
Like, I'm Antifa.
You'll see people saying that, right?
Because for some reason they think that that means that there's nothing happening on the ground.
Yeah, because they're they're trying to take away from the actual uh militants on the ground that are committing the violence and all that stuff, right?
So so we were talking about the media a little bit, and I got this uh email yesterday that I sent to the we have a little, you know, Antifa, what is it called?
Antifa fever dream.
I don't know, some sort of uh group chat that we're and so I got this for I believe it was the Oregonian that sent this this email.
Just I it seemed really bitter about the fact that uh that you know we had brought a national spotlight to the story, and you know, they've been spending how how long now trying to shut the whole thing down, pretending like it's just a it's a peaceful dance party in the street.
You know, who are these people?
What are they what are they trying to accomplish?
This Oregonian, I think Oregon Live, I mean they're multiple local.
Well, the Oregonian slash Oregon Live is a paper record in Portland.
They're they're meant to be the the main liberal um establishment paper.
They have the most resources.
Uh are you uh can I discuss the Yeah, absolutely.
So uh yeah, reporter reached out to you, and the second half of the email of the media inquiries was about how in that person's opinion you didn't follow society professional journalists' guidelines on the content that you put out.
Um, which is not it's not her role to do that.
She's not your editor, she's not your boss.
So that's keep seen.
It was meant to just be condescending and rude.
And I you did you post it publicly yet?
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No, I haven't, but I shouldn't was getting kicked in the ditch.
Well, everybody knew it was gonna be dangerous by that third day because the you know, the whole city or blocks of the city were burning and hundreds of cars, and you know, there are people came in from Chicago looting.
And so after the shooting happened, Kyle Rittenhouse shot Joseph Rosenbaum right in front of me.
New York Times, I spoke with their forensics guy, that guy named Christian Tribart, and he was trying to piece things together.
I spoke to them for like four hours in the days after uh the shooting, and they relied on my reporting for that.
Then after January 6th, the New York Times photographer takes a photograph of me.
I just lost my phone.
I'm pointing at the ground saying phone, and it they called me a rioter, and the the door of the Capitol was had shattered window.
I landed on a crowbar when I got knocked to the ground by police.
I landed on broken glass, I'm bleeding.
And they claim that I I was a rioter who punched a door.
So they're implying not only that I cracked that window, but that I'm a rioter, even though I had congressional press credentials as allowed to be there, but I look like a knuckle dragon Trump supporter.
Didn't even go to check, oh yeah, we use this guy's reporting after that shooting in Kenosha.
Mr. President, if I can answer that question, the reason why they're doing it is because the same media that's sitting in this room with us has declared all of us at this table, Nazis and fascists, and they've been doing this for years.
This is why Antifa feels emboldened to attack us.
Now, almost every single person at this table has been threatened with the steel bat.
We've been assaulted, we've been harassed, we've been threatened.
And that is in huge part due to the media.
So my message right now is for you guys.
Because two years ago, in uh, or back in 2020, by the way, I was censored for my reporting on Antifa here in Washington, DC.
You were talking about how safe it is now, Mr. President.
It wasn't so safe back then.
Back in 2020, I watched as a father was being mobbed and surrounded by Antifa members as his terrified crying children looked on in the poor or the police here did nothing.
I watched as a woman had her hair violently ripped out of her skull simply for waving an American flag on the streets of Washington, DC.
And by the way, if you guys try to go and find any of this footage, you won't find any of it because Twitter deleted all of it because our president shared my reporting and they deleted my entire account immediately after.
So now, if you want to know what happened in 2020, all you're gonna see is the media headlines that said that it was fiery but mostly peaceful.
So this is something um I thought it was very interesting that the president asked, why is this happening?
Right.
So it was sort of a twofold question.
On the one hand, he's asking, why are you guys all getting beaten up for doing reporting?
But on the other hand, he was asking, why is Antifa doing this at all?
Like, what is the issue?
Um, and I think we've talked a little bit about the the media and why they're doing it.
They're basically handmaidens to this violent leftist organization that has so many deep tendrils, I think, in um internationally in organizations in NGOs and not for profits, you know, in local police departments somehow.
But what is it that Antifa is looking for like why are they doing like why is this enemy doing this?
There are communists in Antifa, but they're more so the majority of them are anarchists and anarchist communists.
And so they the violence is done essentially out of nihilism.
And that's why there's such brutality in it, setting buildings on fire when people are inside, or in the case of in June, the ICE facility locked trying to lock and barricade the doors on the ICE facility and set it on fire when there are people inside.
These type of brutal, cruel, subhuman type of acts of violence.
And their motto is become ungovernable.
So they want to destroy not just the US as a nation, but they don't want necessarily replace it with like a communist regime.
They want to destroy everything, all this institutions, the concept of nation states.
So when they do things like aid in giving out drug paraphernalia, there's a reason for that.
In the homelessness, they believe it's an attack home mass homelessness, they view as an attack on capitalism.
It's the de it's destabilizing to communities.
They like that.
You know that the money from the drugs that are flowing in that are killing people helps foreign and international cartel networks that keeps migrants coming in.
All that's meant to destabilize the US.
They know they don't have the tanks, so the type of weapons that can compete with the US military.
So their goals are attacking infrastructure and playing a very long game.
And they've had a lot of success.
I mean, 2016 was quite a big turning point.
Antifa in the US have existed for a few decades.
They they became mainstream in 2016 because the media and this why the mainstream media is so important to them, mainstream their message.
America had elected a fascist.
We need to resist, we need to fight back by any means necessary.
And you see in that last nine years, how Democrats and liberals in the mainstream have become much, much more open and tolerant to political violence.
Just think of their reactions every time that we've seen killings of individuals on the right or attempted killings.
It's been celebrations and encouragements for Moors, and they make heroes out of those who have done the killings.
The first thing that happened in the Chaz was they got the six-block area because Mayor Durkin and uh police commissioner Carmen Best capitulated a six-block area in the spirit of quote unquote de-escalation.
So they had their own little fiefdom, and the first thing they did was set up border checkpoints and put armed guards at the borders.
So they set up their own borders for their own autonomous zone that is supposedly part of a future where there are no borders.
And then those two black kids, 16 and 19-year-old, they got shot at those border checkpoints, and nobody was ever charged for those crimes.
And I didn't see any of the multinational corporations that are based in Seattle who donated hundreds of millions of dollars to BLM.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there also an issue with because it was they set up communes, right?
Where you could go and and get food and stuff, but they would continue to get raided by homeless people and and and you know, they'd take all the time.
There's a really dark side to this homeless outreach where Antifa will give food and supplies.
It's not just to be charitable.
In the context of the riots, these encampments where the food is provided to homeless people, they groom the homeless people to become rioters.
And if you look through some of the exhibits that's in the ongoing lawsuit right now by the state of Oregon, the city of Portland against the U.S. government and the Trump administration to block um troops from being used for federalized service in the state of Oregon.
One of the exhibits they included, I don't know if it was on accident.
It was there were hundreds of pages of things.
It was a write-up from the Portland police.
And it described how an older homeless man at the ICE facility in the summer went up and told the officers there, can you please just let me shake this?
Because I'm being threatened to do it by the Antifa and the mob.
Riot ribs rate raised hundreds of thousands of dollars in the summer of 2020, and they're just, you know, you'd see the tents that were allowed to basically be set up right across the street from the federal courthouse.
The city was allowing these tents to stay there, and you could see the shields, the wooden shields outside of the tents.
So these people who are homeless were actively participating in the attracted vagrants.
Another thing why Antifa particularly target the vagrants to be rioters is because if they get arrested, they get charged, prosecuted, it's of no consequence to the actual network.
This is like just riffraff.
So in 2020, when the courthouse was besieged in downtown, they were giving out explosives to like teens and youths and homeless people and inciting them to throw it out the building.
There was one teenager who was federally convicted.
He had no idea who the person in black block was that handed him explosive.
He just he took in, he threw it, and it was a bomb.
And so the that's like I I hope people realize how like depraved and wicked these militants are.
There was one liaison that I will say that was very much on my side in this entire situation, like against the wishes of the rest of the police bureau, it seems.
Uh, and he kind of gave me a little bit of insight on this guy, where Portland police actually believe that he is uh he's being used, as you're saying, by these thugs, these Antifa thugs that are out on the street using him to commit crimes, sometimes violent crimes, because they know that he won't be prosecuted for it.
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And why won't he be prosecuted just because he's some he's an insane homeless man?
And so those are the ones you definitely have to watch out for.
I remember um the federal courthouse, the Marco Hatfield federal courthouse across the river from from that courthouse was that big encampment in 2020, I think it was big homeless encampment.
A lot of the people that were rioting there each night were definitely over at that homeless encampment because we went to go check it out and they spotted us.
Number one, Jorge interviewed the Trumpet Man, and um the Trumpet Man revealed that his dad his own dad is a cop.
And so A, his dad is a cop, you know, obviously he had problems with his dad growing up, and now he's lashing out in that way.
But the The Trumpet man who was at all these riots, then two months later, in like October, November, there's a video of a guy filming that encampment, massive encampment, and he's like, Oh, it's Trumpet Man, it's Trumpet Man.
Okay, nighttime is they're much more territorial over the property that they've annexed.
Uh daytime, I was kind of going in there with the camera, checking out what they had and asking questions.
But they were telling me, like, oh yeah, uh, the school, there's elementary school right right next to us that they're they set up shop at.
That's the that's what that property is, I believe.
That's what I was told.
Uh they ended up leaving because of the constant rioting.
The property next to it apparently isn't renewing their lease because of the constant rioting.
The the um uh apparently low-income apartments across the street.
I I was told it's at like 35% you know, occupancy.
And when I was talking to Antifa about that, they were saying, Well, it's because of ice and the Republicans that are showing up every every night to to provoke us.
And I'm thinking to myself, hold on.
So all of these people are leaving because of the constant rioting, and it's everyone else's fault and not your guys' fault for rioting.
That's basically how they're looking at this.
Yeah, right.
Everything, everything is everyone else's fault and not theirs for rioting over 100 days straight.
If they are getting new properties and they're expanding, first of all, they can like you know, spread that throughout the city.
It's very difficult for all of these groups to be so activated that they're showing up to all of those properties, all of those facilities and having big numbers every night.
Yeah, it's very difficult.
Unless like something big happens and it's in the news, then you get a push, right?
You get like people energized, and they don't so much have that aside from just the stories that come out.
And usually it's just some hoax that comes out about deportations.
Oh, well, they're handcuffing babies at night.
And you're like, dude, that was the stupidest thing.
So it's stuff like that that's getting them motivated to show up.
When I'm talking to the people outside, just like everyday people that are showing up, not even the Antifa, but just everyday leftists that are showing up at the ICE detention facility in Portland.
Uh, they would be giving that reason uh as a reason for showing up and and you know, showing their solidarity, right?
It's like every single reason that they show up to protest ice is a hoax.
So what what are the conditions that are making Portland um a comfy place for anti fit to do this?
And is that spreading in other parts of the country?
We saw Savannah Hernandez did a bunch of work over the was it over the summer?
I don't remember exactly when it was, but in Brooklyn showing people um putting a stop to traffic in order to uh like just cars on the road in some sort of um anti-immigration protest and then completely being like, oh no, you have to get to work, that's too bad for you.
We saw in Chicago just recently, people rammed their car into DHS um agents, and some of these people were illegal immigrants and affiliated with you know drug cartels.
Um, what are the conditions on the ground that are and in 2020 also we saw a groundswell of report of support from local communities where you know Antifa would go in, BLM would go in and stage all of these protests, and then you'd have, you know, a bunch of teenagers start marching around Seattle, you know.
You had all of this support.
How are they getting this groundswell of support?
Do you anticipate something like that, like what we saw in 2020 for this anti-immigration, you know, anti-ICE stuff coming.
And how are they able to secure that support where they do have it?
So I'm from Portland originally, and Portland is an example of what happens when a city, county, and state is completely dominated by Democrats.
And so they control everything, all the institutions, government, control the purse, the money as well.
And even on institutions that are meant to be or required to be apolitical, like prosecutors, um police, they get pressured to become politicized.
They get rewarded for being politicized in the right way.
So in 2020, going back to that, district attorney who came into power in August 2020 at during the riots at its height, immediately he was very progressive.
He immediately announced that week he wasn't going to prosecute a whole list of riot-related crimes.
And that completely that gave essentially permission to the rioters to like do whatever the hell they we want.
And they did.
Police did make arrests, the Portland police at that time, they were doing using things like tiragas and such, making mass arrests sometimes by the end of the 120 uh nights of rioting.
There were almost a thousand arrest cases.
Well, that goes to the DA's office in DA's office stamp, no complaint, no complaint, no complaint, which is means that they're dropping the case.
They did that to 90% of the cases.
And it's not just a DA at that time who's to blame.
We had a US attorney in Oregon.
So this is under Trump's DOJ in the first administration, by the way, who dropped a lot of the federal cases as well, and and or gave them sweetheart plea deals.
In the same federal courthouse that was being assailed every single night, which is the And you had city council on the side of the rioters, the mayor who's sympathetic to the leftists, the governor then, the governor now.
So it works as a whole machine, and it's replicated in other Democrat-controlled states like Washington State and other places.
I think that they really rely on, like I was mentioning previously, um, news stories or an individual that they can base their movement off of to get everybody energized and engaged and wanting to show up.
So um they certainly have like the more that ice is in the news for whatever hoax is happening, the more they can get people out there.
How is it gonna compare to 2020 or 2021?
Um, I I do think that they're gonna rely they they need to rely on something bigger.
Uh but also I don't know, Andy.
I'm curious your thoughts on this.
I don't know that they'll be able to keep it up nationally as we get closer to winter, just because a lot of these people are fair weather protesters.
Maybe they come back next year, but it will start dwindling.
Once the snow is happening, it's really entertaining to go out there when it's raining and there's just no but like the fascism stops when the rain comes.
Like they're no longer Hitler and Nazis uh because of bad weather and and that's you know, we don't want to get wet.
Um right.
But but I I expect it to kind of slow down unless there's something big that that happens, and that could happen.
I mean, you know, the the more that they're interfering with federal operations, the more that they're um, you know, preventing these officers from from doing their jobs, the more opportunities there are, unfortunately, for mistakes or or things to to happen, right?
And you can only do it when it's chaotic because otherwise it'll triangulate your position.
So they're all out, you know, they're they're pushing everybody back, and I'm in between the pro the rioters and the police, and I'm like shaking my gas mask because the guy aims the the breech loaded tear gas shell right at me.
They're supposed to shoot it off the ground, and he just blasts me in the arm.
My phone falls on the ground, I'm swearing.
And as I go to pick up my phone, he reloads and blasts me again in the leg.
But with that being said, it's like I put myself in that situation as a there were lawsuits from pro protest rioters um complaining that they were shot with rubber bullets.
These these left-wing groups, they hold like trainings for their quote unquote medics and media and all that stuff that they have, but all of it revolves around rioting and what to do.
Uh, I I don't know.
I mean, in 2020 and 2021, like you would never get an interview with somebody that you would consider Antifa.
But I was talking to a medic the other day, quote unquote medic that they had, and and she was spilling the beans, and she kind of realized halfway through the conversation that I was asking all these probing questions about their tactics and how often they're holding uh you know trainings.
I I actually not yet.
I will release it though, because it's it's pretty interesting because she's saying, Oh, yeah, we we train, you know, once once a month, and mainly having to do with what to do at riots and and how to take care of people, and I'm just listening to this, like I can't even believe you're spilling all this.
But uh, once again, a lot of these people, there's probably different categories.
Andy, I don't know if you have like a breakdown of who you consider uh kind of anti-fund who these people are.
You'll have like mentally ill, you'll have homeless, you'll have drug addicts, you'll have you'll have um basement trans, you'll have it's it's kind of like this big mixture of people.
Some are threatening, some aren't threatening.
The homeless people that have nothing to lose that are violent, those ones are scary because they don't care.
Um, and so you know, I don't I don't know where she was on that, but she was definitely uh, you know, was this an actual or was it one of the there was one that was dressed in military fatigues uh that had the medic and the trans flag next to it, which was uh she she ran up to me with pepper spray and was like, you can't film medics that's illegal in in in Oregon, and somebody came up behind her and knocked the pepper spray out of her.
I remember when I used to go to protests when I was like a leftist and I would go to protests.
Um mostly I protested the Iraq war and the Patriot Act, so I would still protest both those things.
But anyway, the National Lawyers Guild would come out and you'd like end up talking to National Lawyers Guild people and they'd tell you what to do.
And um, we didn't have cell phones, but you know, they were like, um, if you did have cell phones, you know, delete all your contacts, put them somewhere else, write phone numbers on your arm because you're not gonna be able to uh they're gonna take your stuff, so you want to be able to make your phone call.
And they were very um, they would be very aggressive.
Like I remember marching around with like the transit union on 57th Street in New York City, and uh Jerry Springer was there, and that was pretty funny.
But um, I think I still have uh photos of that.
But you were recently talking about the National Lawyers Guild, and even all these years later, I was surprised to find that these guys were like the epitome of you know they're out there for far-left crazy people.
So the National Lawyers Guild is probably the most important support.
I I saw them de-arrest people back in like 2003, but yeah, NLG's the the most important group that supports Antifa because they provide the the legal aid and they have a huge infrastructure for it.
It's uh it's a non-profit and they have chapters, uh basically all the law universities uh across the United States.
So students, radical leftist students who are in a in a JD program, become members and they volunteer to be they say legal observers.
You'll see them wearing a green hat or green helmet now.
And when I first saw them years ago back then, and I knew nothing about them, I was very naive.
I was thinking, oh, these were um independent legal observers, just keeping an eye on things and making sure that people's civil rights aren't violated.
No, no, no, no.
They're there to aid in the rioting itself.
They themselves usually do not commit um crimes or smarter than that, but they're there to record things selectively, gather evidence for the law fair against police in city um cities to try to restrict police's Ability to use certain tools.
Um, for a time in Portland, and this might be in effect now.
For example, Portland police were um barred by the city council from using tear gas.
I don't know if that's still in effect, but there was like anyways, the NLG also provides uh bail funds, and it's an old group.
It goes back to the time when communists were quite active politically in the US and they were providing legal counsel and aid to them.
That's like kind of their origins.
On their website today, they have a post that's been up for years explaining that they don't condemn political violence.
That they say fascism has to be deleted, uh be defeated by any means necessary in their on whose website?
They have a lot of money, and then it's so NLG is the biggest one, but they have like affiliate groups that function the same way at a in a region or a state level in Oregon.
There are several of these, they get state funding, taxpayer funds to the grants uh from the state.
Did you happen to give any information about that to the Trump administration the other day?
Because all of these little things, you know, if we can get these at the forefront of the conversation, whether they you know, maybe they can't shut that down, but maybe they can create consequences for states using taxpayer dollars going to these these groups.
Um I didn't mention the NLG on that, I kept it too shorter, but that's part of like the Antifa apparatus has to be uh it's big and it includes the the nonprofits as a huge part of it.
That's why over and over we see even the the suspects who are prosecuted because they did things like felony arson or stabbing somebody, like really serious felonies, they get out with sweetheart deals because then they have free legal representation that's funded by taxpayers for specifically far left terrorists.
I I actually responded to your post about the uh I didn't know much about the National Warriors Guild until uh I guess when I was I lived in Austin at the time.
This was last year, uh in the summer.
Uh me and my ex-girlfriend lived down there, and we were covering the My City, yeah, parts of it.
But anyway, so we're we're at UT Austin where there were protests happening there uh over believe they were like over Israel or something.
So you had uh these National Lawyers Guild people in the green hats that are down there, and my ex-girlfriend was recording uh the just the unrest that was going on there at UT Austin.
And this NLG chick came up, grabbed my girlfriend's phone, chucked it on the ground, just totally I mean, just and and it uh shattered the entire screen, and the phone with the touch screen didn't work anymore, anything like that.
And Portland or not Portland, uh UT Austin's general counsel saw it happen, and so he actually went and uh and and helped us file with uh police uh against this this woman.
We knew who she was and everything, had her name, had her picture.
Uh and the Travis County DA declined to prosecute the case.
Well uh they just thought because it's Travis County and uh it's Austin.
So I mean, uh you say that a lot of times they're not committing crimes.
It's like the one of the only encounters I've ever had with them is when they committed a a crime by taking my girlfriend's phone and chucking it on the ground intentionally, like like uh uh what's spiking it.
A lot of these groups are really lucky that they get babied by their local leadership, by conservatives that they encounter, if I'm being totally honest with you.
I mean, they're they're really lucky that people have So much I don't know what the word is tolerance for their behavior, you know, because uh you have one conversation with these people.
Uh, not even Antifa.
I mean, you have one conversation with like the groups, what is it, 5051, who's I believe funded by indivisible who is funded by 50 open society, society.
I mean, you if you want to Well, I mean, SL SPLC Southern Poverty Law Center uh organization nonprofit has 500 million in assets.
Um smears targets on the right, has hate watch lists, creates lists of people to target.
Um one of their attorneys, one of their staffers, an NLG member was arrested on an anti a really violent antifa riot in the Atlanta area in 2023, I believe.
And he was charged with domestic terrorism along with 60 other individuals.
So talking about NLG a moment ago in criminality, I'm also aware that members of the NLG, they will they aid antifa and doxing individuals because you know, these are law students, they have access very easily to court records, property records.
So that's how they're able to get very personal information that's usually for the layman a bit more difficult to gather.
So they they get that information, they provide it to Antifa.
So people who ever wondered like how did like they find out like everything about myself, my spouse, my children, properties that we owned, or properties we used to live in, all that information they get through members of the NLG.
Yeah, so they actually remember what I was gonna say.
Okay, because we were we're talking about you know, people documenting people committing crimes or anything, and uh they're 100% selective.
My point of bringing up the boomers, right?
Was even they have the shortest fuse where they'll full on assault you, they'll assault my camera guy, they'll they'll uh and not not all the time.
I'm in Orange County, right?
So you have a bunch of white old boomers and whatnot, but they'll grab your camera gear and they'll misbehave all around you and and this is when you're being nice to them.
I mean, I'm my my strategy is kill them with kindness.
And we are so respectful.
We are way more respectful than we need to be, and they still have the shortest.
You're sort of upholding Judeo-Christian values that the boomers in their haste to rebel against their parents, ditched along the way, helping to destroy the civil society in America.
It's definitely like an entire party that is at this point just completely morally bankrupt.
And you're seeing that on the in the younger generations as well when it comes to the left wing is you see those polls, how many polls have come out celebration of murdering um Elon Musk, Donald Trump celebrating murdering their political opposition.
I mean, it's tenfold, it's ten times the amount that conservative polls have shown.
And those are like, you know, those aren't like conservative pollsters showing that data.
It's across the board.
There's countless polls showing this when it comes to left wing celebrating the murder, the brutal violence against their political opposition.
And then the craziest part of that is that if you look at the video, and I was talking to the mom of one of the kids who was telling the cops they didn't do anything.
Um, and the car is literally flipped on its side.
The guy's got a, you know, draped over him, he's dead.
But the guy is writhing on the ground.
The car is just flipped.
He's flipped then ejected from the vehicle.
And one of the girls who caused the accident by tasing the guy is saying, Oh, my phone's in the car.
This is something that everyone wants to know about.
Anytime I talk to people about Antifa, you know, my mom or anybody, they're like, Well, where's this money coming from?
Uh Anna Paulina Luna tweeted out the other day a clip from the White House roundtable, and she said, uh, and this, you know, you guys were there.
Funders include Soros Open Society, Arabella Advisors, Tides Network, uh, Han Yorg Weiss, Neville Royce Singham with ties to Armed Queers SLC who's being investigated over the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
How so all of so all of these organizations, I mean, you can even look in some cases, it'll all go back to like the Ford Foundation, you know.
Um, but you can look at these organizations.
A lot of them are clearing houses for money being funneled to left-wing groups.
These groups have um, these groups have not-for-profit status, tax designation with the IRS.
They're designated as charities.
There are very Strict rules that the IRS has for tax-designated charities, one of which is that you cannot be advocating any specific political um, you know, message.
You're not supposed to do that.
I worked in New York theater for a long time, and that's mostly not for profit.
There's a couple uh, you know, for profit Broadway theaters left.
Maybe I think I think there's 20, maybe there's less than that now.
I don't remember exactly.
But a lot of these theaters, the public theater, um, all of them are tax-designated charities, and they would go ahead and put on plays that were virulently anti-republican, anti-Trump, pro-Obama, all of this kind of stuff.
And I remember looking at it and being like, okay, so all of my friends are setting up theater companies that are basically so that their parents, their rich parents can give them money for free so that they can do their shows.
And these shows are completely political.
And okay, like at the time, what did I care?
But then the more things started to change, and I started to look at the world a little differently.
I was like, what are the rules for charities?
All of these organizations are breaking the charitable rules.
I talked to a congressman at one point who was like, Oh, I should look into that.
And I was like, Well, yeah, like it probably should.
How are they getting away with this?
How much money is coming through here?
Where is the money coming from?
And how can, you know, how can we put a stop to this?
Well, it's my understanding that depending on the the charity registration, it's more like you cannot advocate for a party or a a politician who's running for office, like campaigning for what about like what causes are fine.
And so, you know, Planned Parenthood has a nonprofit um arm where they do political activism around they say health care access.
You know, it's things like that.
When you know that they are huge sheer literature democrats.
So I we um earlier I talked about the nonprofits connection to in the antifa apparatus.
Um a lot of the money also comes through just simply crowdfunding.
Like it's people are kind of surprised when I say that because they think it's more clandestine, that it involves like shadowy figures handing out checks to individuals.
No, it's not really like that.
The people, the billionaires who are in millionaires, multimillionaires who are giving monies are giving it to their philanthrop of philanthropic arms who then give funds to these nonprofits that are very radical left and aid antifa in various ways.
But for like particular riot-related events, the funding's done on Cash App, Venmo, PayPal, even GoFundMe, Razor, and other fundraising platforms.
And they can raise a lot of money.
I mean, the bail funds that were raised in 2020 were done through crowdfunding.
The Minnesota um bail fund, freedom fund.
I might get the name wrong, the one that Kamala Harris uh tweeted out support for.
They raised tens of millions of dollars just crowdfunding.
Like, and this wasn't done secretively or anything.
That's the website you enter your credit card information.
Um, a bail fund that was set up in Portland for the rioters was on GoFundMe.
Like if you have like an antifa writer that gets arrested for you know beating a cop with a poll, like the NLG and other associate affiliate type of groups.
And so they'll fund the legal these are registered nonprofits, so thus they're able to get grants from the state.
Democrats control funding in the state and can give out funds to various um so-called nonprofit groups, quite huge funds, and it's used to support this whole insurrectionist cause.
And it's the same, it's the same as radical Islamism.
I mean, if you look at the way that Qatar or Saudi Arabia funds radical Islamist groups, they take the money, they give it, put it in the hands of a charity, and then when it's in the hands of the charity, they say, hey, we gave it to this charity.
That charity then goes, so the Open Society Foundation then goes and gives it to indivisible and then indivisible goes and gives it to the party for socialism and liberation.
And so it changes hands like four different times.
And then everybody just washes their hands of it and says, okay, well, I just gave to Indivisible and they're you know above board, but then they give it to the next group, which is the grassroots group.
And then you have the two different arms, which you have the clandestine behind the scenes, they're they're organizing in places like telegram chat, telegram chats, and signal, and they're getting crowdfunded individually.
That's like the Antifa side of things.
But then you have the Ford-facing party for socialism and liberation, for example.
They have the big protests, everybody's out with the signs.
90% 95% of them are all just you know normies who have no clue.
That creates a condition within which there's 5,000 people here, there's 180 cops.
Now, if that small group of agitators can agitate the police, a lot of those people who came out with well good intentions get tear gassed and then they go crazy and turn into monkey brain.
So it's pretty, you know, it's complicated by design.
We were also talking about normalizing violence, which I think is a big problem, right?
So in Portland, you have the situation where a woman sued, she went after the um local police and saying, you know, you're bringing up your rioting every night, you know, these these people are riding every night, you're not doing anything about it.
The judge sided with the police and said, Okay, well, we're gonna let them riot every night.
There's no big issue there.
You had this during the summer of love with BLM, where you had such a big part of that movement was to defund the police.
That whole defund the police thing was shockingly effective, I think, because it didn't just create conditions where city councils were able to um pull funding from police, but it created a completely demoralizing situation for police on the job.
There were a lot of resignations after that.
People were quitting, and they had a really hard time.
They still have a really hard time recruiting police.
Yeah, and so you have some police that you know, some police districts, some police chiefs in um areas that are more conservative are saying, like, come here, we'll give you good benefits and good pay, and people are going there.
But in Seattle, I know this is something Ari Hoffman has been beating the drums about for years.
Uh the their recruitment is down incredibly low, right?
And then you see with the um with ice, because that's been so rah-rah from the federal government.
There's a lot of people applying for that military recruitment is up.
But in the cities, in the blue cities, defund the police was very effective.
At the White House, I discussed uh I suggested for what could be done potentially internationally.
It's not the DOJ.
So excuse me, the State Department could designate the international Antifa as F and FTO foreign terrorist organization.
Basically, all of the anti-terror legislation that exists in the US is in the post-9-11 context.
So it's it's outdated, but it's as it is written, there's an international element of it because they're thinking of Al-Qaeda, that type of context, but that's what the legislation is.
However, Antifa is an international movement, and they even though they are decentralized, they the American Antifa share tactics and strategies with the Europeans and vice versa, targets of uh of violence, targets of uh in infrastructure to attack.
And when one of them commits acts of violence, they're celebrated as a hero.
Um, Dylan van Spronson, a Belgian American who shot up the ICE facility in Tacoma in 2019 and died um in that attack.
He is celebrated by the Antifund Europe to Zero to him in uh in Athens, Greece.
I haven't seen that yet because I think Tyler Robinson, as far as I know, wasn't active in a protest network or scene locally, whereas Villan van Spronson was he had built up relationships ships with concret comrades.
So yeah, the FTO designation can do a lot.
I mean then individuals could be sanctioned um and the International Antifa, they have a whole recruiting website.
People can go on it right now and it gives instructions on hey if you're if you're in the US, look at the Torch Antifa network that Rose City Antifa in Portland by the way is part of that.
If you're in France look at uh La Horde.
If you're in this country look here and they also link to um the International Antifa Defense Fund.
And Mr. Mark Bray who is an academic at Rutgers he's a teacher of history who wrote the Antifa handbook he is a financier of international antifa.
He he denied that I don't know how he can deny it when it's in the first few pages of his Antifa handbook that the proceeds from that book are going to go to this defense fund which aids criminal suspects in violent antifa members internationally.
Well he's he's fled the US now allegedly on this pretext this is according to him on the pretext of him receiving death threats I don't believe that he's been in the public eye defending Antifa for years going back to at least 2017.
If he's received pushback or threats or anything which I condemn by the way um it would be nothing new.
I believe he's fled the US he's fled to Spain I believe because he's concerned about criminal prosecutions if the State Department was to designate Antifa as a foreign terrorist organization and he is on record giving money to international Antifa.
So would that actually make a a difference in your opinion let's say it it does become a a foreign terrorist organization and you have you know the Open Societies found foundation dumping money into these various Antifa groups and whoever funds say Rose City Antifa for example you know can you go after them criminally for funding a foreign terrorist organization?
Here are some ways where it could immediately impact.
So the whole, on the Antifa sites like Rose City Antifa, a number of them, or the Rose City Counter Info blog, which is the Antifa blog that's putting up this event calling for people to use the lasers.
Their whole infrastructure in a number of anarchist extremist websites is based overseas.
They do that so it's out of the reach of American control, like it can't be shut down.
It's based usually in Europe.
But like if Antifa was an FTO, then now it opens up way more legal avenues and resources for the U.S. to treat.
I mean, it would be international terrorism in that regard.
That's an immediate impact I can think of.
Domestically, there's still a lot that Antifa can do without the international connection, obviously.
When they organize at the cell level, it's very local.
They're on a signal group for a particular direct action riot, and then the message is self-delete.
And I know this type of stuff because I followed the SoCal Antifa trial in San Diego very closely last year.
And it led—it was California that broke up an Antifa cell.
I mentioned this at the White House table event.
And people aren't familiar with it.
members of this group 12 charged all 12 of them most of them were charged with felony conspiracy that was the charge they use and that's what I recommended to the DOJ what the DOJ can use use because there are federal conspiracy charges there's racketeering because this a lot of it is organized crime and so it's but it's going to be really hard I mean they have the antifa are instructed so well you know have burner phones, pay for things with cash, um, don't have your contact saved, obviously, don't even bring phones.
They have like a very sophisticated way to sort of mask all of their organizing.
But it can be uncovered.
I mean, the North Texas anti-facelle is being prosecuted right now for that ambush shooting.
And so I I urge people to pay very close attention to that because the national media won't.
We can one month ago today, I witnessed my friend of 10 years, someone who I considered a brother, a loving husband, a devoted father, a generational leader get assassinated on a live stream by a left-wing radical.
Approximately one year ago, I witnessed the president of the United States get shot in the head by a left-wing radical.
Who also took the life of a Trump supporter in front of his daughters and wife.
Two months ago.
Christian children kneeling and praying in a church, were slaughtered by a left-wing extremist.
And two weeks ago, federal law enforcement was shot at multiple sniper rounds in a federal facility by a left-wing extremist.
If it's happening every single week, is it that extreme?
Or has the Democrat Party mainstreamed violence as a political tool?
The individual who wrote me, described why he wanted me dead.
I was a white cis Christian Trump supporter.
They described in great detail how I would be killed in an open field, just like Charlie.
How much blood would come out of my head and neck when it was blown off?
This individual described orphaning my four beautiful children and widowing my wife.
Uh and he you could tell he was getting like emotional over the fact that they actually found the guy and they were able to arrest him.
He got the call while we were in Portland embedded with uh with Christy Gnome.
Uh and yeah, I I was I was glad to see how excited Pam Bondy was when she was talking to us about this at the round table.
And she actually she knew about the swatting situation because my my parents have been swatted, you know, they try to find they can't find me, so they keep going after my family.
And uh, and I I said, yeah, I mean, it's it's still a problem, and we haven't found out who's who's doing it.
She's like, Cash here now.
Cash comes over and we start talking about it, and he's like, Okay, well, here's my here's my uh my chief of staff.
Give him a call.
We're going to find out who did this.
I promise you that.
And she's like, yeah, I mean, the FBI has the resources to do it, they had the ability to do it, and they're going to do it.
Well, I'm glad they're finally getting serious about this stuff.
I used to work with the Federalist and I would write for them, and all of the women at one point, all of the women at the Federalist were getting incessant crazy phone calls in the dead of night from someone just saying, you know, uh I'm gonna kill you and I'm leaving voicemails, you're scum, you're a Nazi scum, and I'm gonna take your head off and all of this stuff.
And I went to the I was like, has anybody else been getting these calls?
And all of them, yes, we're all getting the calls.
You have to alert the FBI.
I never heard anything about it, and eventually the calls stopped, but they were terrifying.
I mean, it would be one o'clock in the morning, my phone would ring, just be sitting there watching Star Trek, and I'd just be terrified.
You know, even the the uh in the state next door, you have that person, the front runner for attorney general over there just being like, Yeah, well, some of them have to die.
That's that's how this has to work.
That's the only way that he's gonna be able to do that.
That was yeah, he thought, yeah, his idea is that if you're not touched personally, you're not gonna change policy, and so you may as well end up dead.
Yeah, it's not just it's not just being normalized, it's it's being like celebrated, and they're fawning over the idea of violence against their opposition.
And that that's really the big difference here is because you'll get psychopaths that are right wing, but nobody on the right's like awesome, that's so amazing.
You're not seeing thousands of people taking it to social media celebrating these things.
And I I was actually interviewing like leftists, and they were bringing up uh, I don't know why this one girl that I was talking to.
She was actually at the memorial protesting Charlie Kirk because she thought that was a reasonable thing to be doing.
And she brought up uh George Floyd.
And I'm like, you know, why would you bring up the response after George or George Floyd in general and thinking that's a good you know, comparison there?
The the the response after George Floyd because they turned this guy into a martyr was mass violence on a scale we haven't seen in decades.
And just see how the the not just the right, but just the American people and people that aren't absolutely insane responded to Charlie Kirk's death.
And there is a serious difference between the two parties right now when it comes to their reaction to things like that and what they're egging on.
And that's that's really the dangerous thing is this this assassination culture that they're really so much of the base, a a horrifying percentage of the Democrat base is is encouraging and cheering on.
So for a number of years, they latched on to BLM because there was a whole system that pumped out lies day in and day out about white supremacy and blacks being genocided by law enforcement.
Well, BLM's fallen a bit out of vogue.
They've had a number of financial scandals that were embarrassing to the organization.
People aren't really giving money to them.
There also haven't been really super high profile cases like George Floyd since 2020 that have been caught in video and have been exploited to that same type of extent.
So the next thing though has been trans.
There's over the last four years, lots of protests in for and against trans radicalism in a number of states.
Um trans militants and activists, mainstream activists, in response to a number of Republican-led states placing restrictions on the transitioning of children, have said that they are now victims of the ongoing transgenocide,
are encouraging one another to join far less militias like John Brown Gun Club or the Socialist Rifle Association, stockpile weapons and be prepared for anti-government action and be prepared to kill fascists and transphobes.
And they are pumped with that propaganda in the mainstream and on their radical networks day in and day out.
I believe that mental health comorbidities plays a factor in the extremism.
And I think hormones, cross-sex hormones, may as well.
You put all that together, we're now experiencing a number of mass shootings by trans people that was an unknown phenomenon 10 years ago.
Seems like that's a re the reaction, like a natural reaction to painting everything that the right wing does as violence, like even silence is violence, right?
for the right.
And so it seems as though that just continues to go that direction of every single thing that they do, every single position that they hold is violence.
I think, isn't there a catchphrase for basically every single position that conservatives hold?
But punch a Nazi was like a big way that they normalized just violence against conservatives because it was punch a Nazi, and then conservatives are Nazis, so punch conservatives, and Christians are Nazis, so punch Christians.
The transgenocide thing though, um, you know, they just throw that out there.
Is there a basis for it?
Absolutely not.
Uh, we recognize that guy.
Uh, is there a basis for it?
Absolutely not.
In fact, the I don't know if you guys have this number, but the last time I did the number on the people that identify as trans, that community within the United States, their murder rate is like one-fourth of the general population's murder rate.
So they're actually less likely to get murdered than the general population.
But they're calling that a genocide because that's just what's popular.
It's trendy, and and therefore, if you're against, you know, transitioning children and giving children sex changes, you also support this genocide that we made up.
And therefore, we're gonna use violence against you.
And if you look at a lot of the cases where they say there's a trans genocide, and you look at like the the people who've been murdered, um, you look at it in most of the cases, it's a drug-related prostitution related or domestic violence.
But uh the uh I I I can't I kind of want to find out if is Antifa utilizing or taking advantage of let's say trans people because they're mentally ill, or uh is it because the trans people are misfits and need somewhere to fit in, like, or is it a little bit of both?
I mean, Antifa have also been amplifying the propaganda of the trans extremists to the point where I I mean I coined that term Trantifa because it's like I think it describes not like a separate movement, really the current manifestation of Antifa.
There's disproportionate number of trans people.
You've probably seen it on the ground.
I can see it in particular through the mugshots that I've um uh collected from the rights over the years.
I'll use that term, gender diverse, and in that they don't identify with their biological sex.
15% on some nights, 20%, a third are right.
Nowhere else do you see that type of representation of trans demographic, you know, another type of like activist type of movements among other than like the violent far left.
So there's something going on right now, and people should be really concerned that under the pretext of second amendment rights, trans militants are stockpiling deadly weapons in training for the purpose of in their mind killing those who in the government and killing anybody they labeled transphobe and a fascist.
I mean, there's like, what is the the pink pony club?
Is that one?
Am I remembering that correctly?
But there was a group of people, and it was a couple of years ago, there were a group of um trans militants who were all getting about getting together to go do shooting practice, I think in New Hampshire.
And NPR profiled them as though it were this great thing and asked them, oh, why do you feel the need to do this?
Well, because of the legislation in several states that is, you know, seeking to commit transgenocide because they won't gender change children.
That's why we have to get a bunch of guns and go practice them in New Hampshire.
That's what major difference between uh like the boomer generation liberals and maybe even leftists versus the younger generation leftists is they look at the second amendment as that's our tool for our violent revolution.
Well, that's also just like the Black Panther Party.
I mean, the Black Panthers in California, they had a lot of guns.
They were very pro.
Um, you know, if if a if somebody got if a driver got arrested at a traffic stop and police were there, the Black Panthers would go over and be like, we actually, you know, we have guns, let the person go.
That was a big part of the reason that Ronald Reagan started implementing gun control in California was because of the Black Panthers.
It's like the John Brown John Brown gun club as well, which uh they were out, they were in Seattle at the Chaz, and they ally with you know other left-wing groups and say, hey, we're your defenders.
I even uh well, I went to school in DC at Georgetown, which is a allegedly Catholic university.
The pink pistols, not the John Brown gun club flyer, it just went viral on Georgetown's campus in DC.
It's like you need to wait a year just to get a concealed carry permit in DC.
So I don't know what the John Brown gun club is doing on Georgetown's campus, but it's crazy to me to see a Catholic university now, you know, in Red Square has multiple flyers for the John Brown gun club.
At a Catholic university, which is allegedly supposed to be Catholic, but it's I mean, I still coach the hockey team and they are not Catholic anymore.
Well, this is something that um is on Andy's Twitter that I wanted to bring up.
This is a Portland Antifa member with a history of violence, posted a threatening video on social media shooting up photos of both Andy and Charlie Kirk.
It's it's somebody I've reported on before, and law enforcement is aware of this, by the way.
Uh, but this is um typical of the type of threats that I and other people who are in the public eye get for our work um trying to expose Antifa.
Uh this person used the pictures uh my face and Charlie's face's target practice, uh, five rounds to my head and one in the neck for Mr. Kirk.
And uh, you know, I was just thinking of the the press conference that Benny Johnson did with uh attorney general Pam Bondi and a lot of us suffer in in silence in that just for security reasons we don't disclose that all the threats that we're receiving and you asked earlier do you Libby you asked if uh I if I think there'll be another assassination my answer is yes it's like absolutely it's we've the
the left has really embraced an assassination culture um to when and who well that's terrifying right i mean like it's terrifying for the people in this room and for the people that we all associate with uh i remember talking to other women in the movement being like just bring all the men home like this is you know which of course is is what the women are supposed to say that's the women's job that's why I can't hold down women at
Like bring bring the men home don't let this don't let this happen to them.
But it is it is really scary to see um to see this possibility and but it's also emboldening to see the bravery of so many people you know like you guys you're going out there you're covering this stuff you're doing the research you're not letting anybody silence you're getting arrested and you're still like no like we're not playing with you.
We're doing it anyway.
The amount of times you know you see Tim going out you see all of the turning point people going out.
I mean it's it's been I gotta say like as someone who is happy to you know sit on my porch and read books and be left alone in the sunshine you know um it's really been powerful to see how many people are just refusing to be silenced by this terrorists cannot win they can't win.
Uh Andy I mean the amount of messages I got from Andy like warning me to like stop and get out of there multiple I mean he knows he knows better than anybody but I just I I can't I can't get off the street.
It just it I I feel like I feel like that's just surrendering to them.
Yeah um there's a lot of people that did uh just I mean Cam Higby shout out to Cam.
He what he wasted no time.
He started a campus tour what is what is it called fearless debates.
Started a campus tour right away going around the country you know debating students uh everyone's ramping up the reporting on Antifa and their activity I don't see anybody backing down.
I cannot, speaking on Cam Higbee, I have never seen someone routinely get assaulted as many times as this poor guy.
And everybody, they try to accuse him of staging it or something, but he releases all of the raw footage.
It's just, it's, and what leads up to it.
And he's never doing anything but speaking.
You know, he's never like getting, he's never even defensive with them.
They just, you know, go all, I mean, it happened last week in D.C. again.
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and the assailant was luckily arrested but I don't think she was going to be until she those chairs are pretty faulty they were sitting in those chairs I was like dude did you get those chairs on Timu like that thing was like about to tip over here.
He was like at some encampment in D.C. And he was there reporting on it.
And he showed just that girl, that girl that worked in academia, by the way, that assaulted Cam, showed just him pepper spraying her after she attacked him.
him but he only showed that little piece and said oh look Cam Higby is assaulting these peaceful protesters and he went you know did a whole selfie video and did a follow-up and got millions of people riled up against Cam and the entire thing was a lie because Cam obviously had the footage and released everything as you were saying he released the whole thing and you get to see all the context you can draw the conclusion I mean you can you know you can draw your own uh opinions about the matter but he's gonna release everything there's not anything being taken out of context there.
You know what's really interesting uh also like at these pro you saw like a lot of the the people even on the Antifa side they're filming right like they they got their phones but but I never really see much of that footage like ever come out.
You know they were accusing me of all these things.
I don't know what they do with it because they film you and they're like I'm filming that's like good yeah for it yeah every single time I go to a protest um they'll they'll as soon as you show up they'll start recording the in fact there was one lady um maybe a month ago I had it in a video two months ago or something she was filming me and and you know she was one of the angry boomers at the local protest that I'll go to in Orange County she was filming me and put her phone down and I realized she wasn't even recording.
I decided to help her out I was like excuse me miss you are recording.
She hit record film me it's like I never know what they do with those those videos.
I have no clue so what so what's next for everybody and do also do you think that there's gonna be there there has been increased violence we've seen the studies that even though they try and say right wing violence is still a problem it show definitively that left wing violence has been on the rise for at least 10 years um in part I think because they still don't know why Trump won in 2016.
They're per forever baffled by that do you think there's more reporters coming up who are you know gonna be covering this stuff I mean what is what does it look like in terms of independent media what's going on.
I'm I'm definitely seeing more people on the on the street that are covering these anti-ICE protests because that's what we're looking at now and no longer BLM right we're anti-Ice not BLM it's no longer pro Palestinian which we had for a while they were a little bit of that but it's dying out yeah right but you notice how they're not like yay Trump got a peace deal right yeah I'll never be like that.
Andy you might have touched on this earlier but it's really just a rebranding same groups essentially um BLM's slightly different right because you're not seeing a bunch of BLM activists out on the street right now.
You're seeing some you're seeing some but but not that entire group that they were able to mobilize but in a general sense it's still the same far left wing groups that just rebrand every single time it's just them doing the Gaza stuff them doing BLM stuff them doing anti-eye stuff.
And they try to just recruit whoever they can get mobilized you know they find the trendy partner with the cause de jour and they go for it.
Well I want to thank all you guys for hanging out today and really giving some deep insight into this issue.
It's something that I'm mostly familiar with just from working with Andy and reading his drafts you know and following his work and Katie um so I'm so grateful to find out more about this.
Do you guys want to shout anything out Richie you want to start?
I got, you know, especially to, you know, be able to hear from you directly this week and all your insight on, you know, you've been covering this for so long.
You've been a warrior in the field doing it.
I'm so glad you were able to get here to Washington to be able to come to that round table.
I mean, your insight is one of the reasons that.
that Antifa is being taken seriously by the administration right now so thank you so much Andy and thank you uh you'll find me later I'm actually hosting Timcast IRL tonight uh because the other hosts couldn't actually get here so so I am the backup host tonight and uh I will see you guys at 8 p.m eastern time right here in the same studio who's your guest who do you have Alex Rosen nice so that'll be fun he's an interesting character so right on respect the hustle um I'm gonna piggyback on that actually Andy's definitely
the eye in the sky when it comes to a lot of protest coverage I think you save my life like once or twice he's like the intel guy the intel guy letting me know letting me know that I've been you know my cover's been blown so I appreciate that uh you guys definitely get their books um unmasked right yes and then riot diet I got riot diet maybe a few months ago great book um I'm James Klug you can subscribe to me over on youtube.com slash James Klug I do have a bunch of videos dropping and I for any subscribers that are watching I apologize for
