Demonic Possession, Exorcisms, And The Soul Of America w/ Fr. Aaron Williams & Shayne Smith
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I was recently told a story by someone who said that they had come to find faith in Christ.
I asked them what happened, and they told me that they had lived a pretty degenerate lifestyle.
They were doing drugs, and they took it upon themselves to read this passage where they would give themselves to Jesus Christ.
And they did, and it resulted in them having a anxiety attack, shaking violently.
And they thought, and this this guy said he was going to die.
He thought he was going to die.
And his girlfriend was worried about him and he was like falling on the ground and shaking.
And I'm like, that sounds real crazy.
But it I'm like, I wonder if he was possessed, you know.
I do think there are evil forces out there.
Me, myself, I am not a Christian, but um there are many questions that I do have, and a lot of people have have brought this up.
I think there are forces beyond our recognition, beyond our understanding.
And I think it's fair to assume.
I mean, humans didn't even know that radio waves existed until what, like the 1800s.
So there are forces that exist beyond our perception.
That's a fact.
In fact, when it comes to the large Hadgewin Collider and all the research they're doing in quantum physics, we can't perceive any of this stuff, but we know it exists, right?
Could there be something beyond?
I think for most people the faith, the answer is duh, obviously.
For a lot of the secular people, I don't think you can deny it because science says there is something else.
The question is, what is it?
Does it influence our behaviors?
And I actually think we need to bring back exorcisms.
To be honest, not that they went anywhere.
They're still happening.
There are stories about how priests are overwhelmed with requests.
So we're gonna talk about that today on the culture war.
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Anyway, my friends, on to the show.
We've got a couple of great guests hanging out.
Uh uh, sir, would you like to introduce yourself first?
We we were hoping to get Ian here, but he is unfortunately sick, and only because he'd be like freaking out and and saying crazy things at the same time.
Uh, but I guess we'll start with the first question.
I mean, um, You know, you're you mentioned earlier, right?
Priests get calls all the time.
Um, and I and I'll I'll be honest, right?
I mean, the majority of calls, the overwhelming majority of calls we get, it's usually someone is they're struggling with something, right?
They're dealing with a mental issue or someone in their family is and they're they're hoping we have the silver bullet.
Um, but what I will say is uh recently in the United States, uh, we have seen a rise in demonic activity um and and situations where the church will go and investigate and we determine that there's not another medical or psychological explanation and so the church can be involved.
It's it's become enough of a need in the United States recently that a lot of dioceses, right?
So that's how the church organizes itself under bishops in the U.S. A lot of dioceses are starting to educate more and more priests in the right of exorcism so that they can continue this ministry.
So we we just had two priests in my diocese underwent training in Chicago for that.
Um, and just this last year, um, my bishop actually brought a group of exorcists in to speak to all the priests in our area uh just to educate us so that we can recognize what is happening, what do you what are you seeing?
You know, um, so I think there could be a lot of explanations uh of why this is happening.
I I think one of the reasons is we're we're in a culture now that um is accepting more and more degenerate lifestyles, right?
So we live in such an overly sexualized culture now that um you know, and it's not just sexualized, but it's it's sexualized in very obscene ways, right?
Um, and I think that that you know that's one gateway that is that uh is allowed to it.
I think there's also and you could speak to this, right?
There's there's even a heightened interest, so to say, in in things of the occult nowadays, right?
I would even say as people often say, like we live in a post-Christian society, we live in like an atheist society, but I would go as far as to say it's not an atheist society, it's a pagan society.
And the interest in like new age things and like spiritual yoga and the witchcraft and tarot and astrology and magic and all these other things.
That's that's paganism, and obviously paganism is playing around with demons and opening yourself up to spiritual things you don't understand.
So that and that's like wildly pervasive in culture.
I mean, every if it four out of every five girls you meet on Tinder have a crystal under their bed or whatever, you know, they have a shoebox with a freak of voodoo doll in it or whatever, and they're they're reading the secret and doing all sorts of weird like pseudo-magical things that are very insidious and open yourself up to like who knows what.
But in terms of the the new training and the increase in requests for exorcisms, are you seeing things like what what are you seeing that's unexplainable or that defies?
So uh the things that the church normally is gonna look for, um you know, does this person have knowledge of uh something they shouldn't have knowledge of?
You know, you have someone who couldn't speak Spanish before, but now they can, you know, or um you have an 80-year-old woman that you know she can lift 50 pounds, right?
It's never like Hulk level, it's not like what you see in the movies, but something that's unexplainable on that level.
Um one of the things that I've been told to look for uh by a priest is involved in this.
If I go into a house and there's something there that they can't explain how it got there, uh and you do see things like that every now and then.
Like objects then objects or um just wow, does anyone know where this came from?
And um, it's like I mean, I've I went into a house five or six years ago um and a previous assignment, and uh this woman was concerned that she wanted me to bless the house, and she said the weird things were happening there, and then she wanted me to see this Bible.
And I was like, okay, well, let me see the while she opens the Bible and the Bible's hollowed out, and you can tell that something had been smuggled inside this Bible, and she didn't know where this came from or who it belonged to.
Um, you know, because You you'll find weird things like that.
Or um I was mentioning yesterday when I came in from the airport, just last month, I was asked to go bless a house, a family.
So I live in Natchez, Mississippi.
It's about two hours north of New Orleans.
Well, uh a family from New Orleans bought this old house and they want to make it an Airbnb.
When they were renovating it, they went into the basement and they found this sort of secret room.
It's under the front staircase of the house.
And uh when you go in this room, I mean there's a pentagram on the floor, and you have a table with a crystal ball in the middle, and there's animal bones on the walls, and and they're so I took all of that and got rid of it all, and then they asked me, What should I do with this room?
And I said, I don't think you do anything with this room.
You leave it here.
Um, but yeah, so you you're seeing that kind of thing now.
And um, you know, and I uh the the thing is is when people learn about it, right?
It's they may not think it's cool, but they think it's interesting, right?
And so people can get obsessive about it, and um that will lead you down a path where now it's no longer just interesting, now it does become cool, and uh have you kind of thing.
So I I haven't witnessed a lot of phenomena said I I've I've seen some things that um I thought were weird enough that I wanted to let the bishop know about it, that kind of thing.
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Um trying to think of a good example of something I've seen supernatural stuff.
Yeah, I mean, I I'm not yeah, I mean, I've experienced supernatural things, but um I'm you know, I when I was involved with this movie recently, um, someone had asked in an interview, they said, you know, are you involved?
Are you an exorcist yourself?
And I said, My desire for that job is in the negatives.
So I'm glad I'm not at that level, but I have priest friends that are right.
So um whenever they were when they were calling me to be on the show, actually, I one of the things I said is you know, it's usually hard to find a real uh exorcist because they don't like talk about it.
But I can talk about my my friends' experiences, and and so yeah, and I I'm convinced this is a real thing.
Um, and I think it's something that people need to be aware of, but it's also not something I think people need to be actively afraid of or obsessive about.
I've heard that obviously you said one of the things that they'll look for is something like some kind of supernatural ability or something like this.
And there are stories, I believe they're more rare, but there are exorcists and witnesses who say they've seen weird things like levitation or things like that.
Most of the time, like I said, what I'm seeing is more of it's it's knowledge of something else, it's they have additional strength or their their voice is different.
Um things that could be identifiable as as signs of a mental illness, but then when they're tested by a psychologist, the psychologist determines that there is no mental illness there.
That kind of I I started thinking about this because in the past several years, like especially since COVID, there are people that I've known my whole life that it seems like within the span of a week, their personalities flipped.
They they they speak differently, they behave differently, and they're behaving in ways I would describe as evil, and it's shocked me.
And maybe you know, for those that are out there that um are more secular agnostic, atheist or whatever, I don't know what you want to call it or how you explain it.
I I will literally say there are people that have known my whole life that I consider to be really good friends that will send me a message being like, Have you been?
Haven't seen you in a while, you know, hit me up when you're back in town.
And then a month later, it's sending me nasty evil messages saying you're gonna burn, I'll uh like you deserve this, you're sick, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, that's just like a light description.
There there are things that people have done to me that have resulted in like legal action that I'm like, I don't understand how that's possible that a person would become that so quickly.
And that freaks me out because aside from things like that where you could easily explain sometimes people go crazy, I don't know, they had a stroke.
Who knows?
I've also per personally witnessed things that and recently too, I would describe as physically possible, but defying what we would expect to be possible.
You know, I I've not witnessed like a a crystal manifest before my eyes out of thin air, nothing like that.
I have seen things that you know, they they say in um I guess in quantum physics and mathematics, at some point all of the oxygen in the room will be on one side, although that's trillions upon trillions of years for that probability to happen.
I have seen seen things that I can only describe as winning the lottery five times in a row.
So it's it's possible for these things to happen, But it's almost unbelievable.
And then considering what we've seen in this country with all the behavior.
I I think people are letting in some kind of demonic force or darkness that's influencing their behavior.
Well, I think it was kind of like what you're hitting on is kind of this soft occultism that we're seeing where people are just incorporating these um these just rituals into their daily lives because they're trying to fill that void of spirituality.
Yeah, it's important to know like what demons can do and how they do it too.
Because demons possession isn't the only thing they do.
There's vexation, obsession, oppression, and possession.
Vexation is when demons are attached to objects and move objects around and affect our material world.
Obsession is when they affect your your mental health, basically, and put thoughts and things in your mind.
Because demons' main thing, they're spiritual beings, they don't have a physical body, but they can manifest in physical places.
Uh and so their main thing is trying to tempt you and like push you into certain places, but they they're not like Christ.
So Christ can hear your interior life.
So you can pray silently, and uh Christ and the saints in heaven can hear you through the power of Christ, but demons can't hear your interior life, but they can be inside of you and poke around and look at what you're up to, see how you're feeling.
And of course, they're super intelligent beings that have a complete and total knowledge of everything because they're immaterial spirits that exist outside of time and space.
And so just by watching how you're acting, they can kind of guess on what you're feeling and how to push you and tempt you.
And so the idea is that they watch what you're doing and they try to like push you towards certain things.
The more you sin, of course, in the Catholic Church, we believe the more you sin, the more sin darkens your intellect.
So the more you sin, the dumber you get.
The most evil thing you've ever done, that time you cheated on that girl you loved, and you're like, who was that?
I don't even know who I was.
Why did I do that?
Like you literally don't know why you betrayed your friend or did some of the worst things you can imagine.
That's sin darkening your intellect.
That's you becoming basically drunk on stupidity from sin, and demons push you into that space, and the dumber you get, the easily they can manipulate you, and then they push you towards behaviors where you betray your friends weirdly or do crazy things.
He's a he's just extraordinarily observant, right?
But but he already knows that he's lost.
And so what he does essentially, right, is is he's trying, I guess, to to lessen the the weight of his defeat by trying to bring all these people down with them, you know.
And that's why I say he's like a punk, right?
It's it's it's the kid who who lost the game, so he wants to ruin it for everyone else.
And then demons can affect your sensorium, so they can like affect the way you see things or whatever.
And so as you that's why, like, oh, what's that thing in the corner of my eye, or what's that creepy feeling?
And then they push you towards that, and then they make you confused because sometimes you did just see a speck in the corner of your eye.
Sometimes though you're like, I know for a fact I just saw a guy in the corner of my eye, and I feel like I'm not alone, like I'm creeped out, but they they keep you unaware, uh scared and confused.
That's like the game, that's the shell game they play.
What it and and the the end result of all of this for the people who go down that path or are influenced, it's what damnation or um Yeah, I mean, if if they're influenced, not that they're they're losing the life of grace, right?
And and that they're led into a sinful life.
And yeah, that's ultimately that's his goal.
But uh the enemy, right?
He's he's crafty and he's a master of deceit.
You know, a lot of times when we see situations of oppression and and possession, the person who's actually um experienced in this is not all always the target, right?
Sometimes the target is the is the priest who's involved, right?
So I I mentioned in the car on the way over here that um we were listening to a recording of Nexorism recently.
Um some priests were, and this particular instance, um, the the priest was trying to ascertain the demon's purpose.
And so we kept asking, you know, you know, why are you here?
That kind of thing.
And and the demons sort of just sort of uh began to repeat over and over again.
Well, if you get the priest, you get the mass, and if you get the mass, you get the souls, right?
And there's so many souls, and and so the goal here was to get at the priest, right?
Because if you can get one person, then you get all of them, right?
And the enemy's trying to maximize the the amount of people he can get to sort of decrease his his defeat.
Um and so yeah, so the the end game ultimately, right, is the enemy wants all of us, right?
And so he's gonna go for the most influential person, right?
He's gonna go for the persons to get the most people with him.
He's he's not you know gonna look for the the small victory, right?
I mean, that's angelic intercession is the the reverse of what demonic oppression or possession would be.
So to pray to the saints in heaven or to have angels intercede on your behalf, God sends angels down earth, assigns as guardian angels.
So there are benevolent forces at work, but of course, we're humans that come to our salvation by many movements.
So angels come to their salvation or damnation by one movement.
God creates them, they have all the complete and total knowledge they'll ever need, but how they interpret that is up to their personality and them as an individual.
So they make that choice immediately to love God by his power, by their own power.
So angels can't sin the way we can because they don't have physical bodies, so the only sins they commit would be pride or envy.
And so probably a combination of both.
They make their decision, they fall away from God, they are living in sin, separated from God, sin darkens the intellect, they become insane, which then makes them look crazy and behave crazy to us, you know.
And then uh so the reverse of that is when you know, angels come and visit us, or uh, you know, you you're feeling terrible and you have the distinct feeling a family member who loved you and could be in heaven is comforting you or sending you a message uh in Christ allows them to do that.
So that's the reverse of experiencing the demonic.
So uh exorcisms are a uh what the church calls a sacramental.
So um I gotta make this distinction in order to make this explanation.
So there's seven sacraments within the church, and the church teaches that the sacraments always are effective if they're done properly.
Sacramentals are effective um if someone is properly disposed to receive them, right?
So I would argue that the person being exercised, that they interiorly are are desiring holiness and sanctity and they're desiring deliverance, even if the forces that are also uh within them are not, right?
Obviously, the enemy doesn't want that to happen.
Um but you know, it's not a case of uh I'm gonna strap someone down and exercise them, you know, that kind of thing.
It's well, it's not gonna work.
Um, you know, you could do that with baptism, you shouldn't, right?
Baptism would be effective because God is the one uh who's acting here, but um in in sacramentals, the Lord is is acting through us, but upon the grace of our dispensation, uh our uh our disposition.
Um so yeah, that's a good I never thought about that, but I I guess that that would be the answer.
One of the the ways in for correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I've heard from priest friends two very interesting things.
One that uh one of the ways you can find out if someone is possessed is by hiding the holy eucharist on you or bringing a very holy object or uh relic near them without telling them, and they have a physical or odd reaction to it.
So if you put like the Eucharist in your pocket and went and walked around uh a protest and you were trying to be normal, but people were like hissing at you or trying to attack you, that might be an indicator.
Um I did see a video actually on on Instagram just last week.
It was uh a woman in Russia was uh in a church and she was brought in contact with uh a relic and just immediately she was having a vehement physical reaction to this.
So that sort of thing does it it we we do see it.
Um funny enough, I can tell a story on the flip side.
Uh an exorcist told me one way he can tell someone's faking it, because that also happens sometimes, is um he has a copy of Green Eggs and Ham written in Latin, and he'll he'll begin reading it and see how they react and through actually this really is like how do you write green exit handles?
Well, because you see these videos on Instagram a lot, specifically out of like like Africa, and that it'll be a guy who's going and then people are flying backwards and that sort of thing.
And you see that and you're like, something's missing here.
I mean, that's that's like overly performative or whatever.
I've the the other interesting thing a priest friend had told me, and I've heard from other priests, and again, forgive me if I'm speaking out of turn, but is that it's actually a spiritual gift to come in contact with a demon or a devil or the devil in the long term because you are having a situation where you're confronting evil directly and experiencing it in such a way that it galvanizes your faith forever.
Whereas, like, that's why people who reject God or whatever, like I've never seen a ghost.
I want to see it, I want to have an experience, but I just can't have one.
Why would the devil do anything to you?
He already won.
You're gone.
He doesn't need you.
He's not gonna galvanize your faith, he's not gonna make you feel like things are real.
He's gonna leave you in your lane to keep sinning.
So, you know, he's not gonna go around and have people start doing things that are gonna, you know, uh allow him to, you know, be manifest to someone, right?
I think for a lot of what we would describe as like default liberals, normies.
I'll call them normies, because that's necessarily have to be just liberal, but if they actually so let's say someone is living in sin, they're doing things that are driving them towards a darkness.
I think there's a good amount of people that if they actually saw the demon manifest before their eyes, they'd turn around immediately.
I think deception is required to push people towards darkness because I think people actually understand that if a demon is trying to entice you to do bad things, it's going to be bad for you.
And so there's a deception, and no, no, what you're doing is good.
Yeah, you get there, you also like I used to practice the uh a type of magic, and I was like a member of the temple of Satan or whatever, and you tell yourself, Well, it's aesthetic.
Nah, this is like a cringe, funny, heavy metal looking organization that does political activism.
I'm not engaging in real Satanism, and then you're doing like weird magic stuff because girls think it's cool or whatever, and you're like, Well, it's like goofy.
Well, maybe if it works, who knows?
And then you're like, Well, if the secret works, this'll work, it's like harmless.
And then you're experiencing like dark, you're you know, trying to go pee at night, and you're like overcome with a complete and total sense of dread, like there's something waiting for you on the other side of the door.
Have you ever you know when you're a kid and you're so scared that you're like, this is re this is happening to me, this is real.
I'm the most terrified I've ever been.
Blanket over your head.
Like, of course, uh to have that feeling as an adult is like indicative of like something real is happening to me, but you like uh you just explain it away the same way, like because it's just what we're designed to do.
One of the things that's crazy to me is that there are endless stories from humans about supernatural phenomenon in a variety of of fashions.
It's not always just about like exorcism or whatever, but there are people who explain I've witnessed this thing, and yet it is still in the mainstream, we don't believe any of it.
That that that's not true, yeah.
Uh because you never experienced it.
It's it's funny because when you think about how uh scientists will explain oxy uh oxidization process through hemoglobin or whatever in your body, you're like, that's correct.
Because everyone tells you it's correct.
But then when you have people all tell you stories of I have witnessed something, we are basically meant to believe that can't be true.
Yeah, well, so at first I would say that there's so much about the world we don't know.
Like, for instance, we um we don't even understand like why we yawn fully, right?
We don't under South, yeah.
Right.
So, but the um the the response I would give to that is okay, first, you know, so people could ask the question, you know, for instance, why doesn't God just manifest himself over the whole world and everyone, you know, like announce through a trumpet that he's God and everyone will believe in him.
Well, one, God desires that we have free will because he desires us to love him, right?
Not just to accept and believe in him and fear him, right?
He wants us to love him.
And if you're gonna love someone, you have to love them freely, right?
You can't, you know, go up to the girl you like and put a gun to her and say, Love me, right?
And she's not gonna actually love you even if she says it, right?
So uh in order for us to authentically choose God, we have to have the ability to to choose other than God as well, right?
We have to have that complete freedom, right?
So God permits evil to exist ultimately so that we have the ability to choose him freely, right?
So um these manifestations, right?
Sometimes there's there's a reason for it.
Um that this person, they need the effect of disgrace or they need the experience of this um to prevent them from making some decision down the road or whatever it is in in God's providence, but for the overwhelming majority of us, we just need to have normal lives and and have the experience of learning to pray and learning uh, you know, the teachings of the church or whatever it is, and that will be enough for us to have the ability to make that decision.
Yeah, I mean, one of the one of the reasons, I mean, obviously, right, I mean, there there are Catholics who are going to individually believe these sort of things, but one of the reasons I am Catholic is because the the teaching of the church, right, is uh one, you we can't change the church's teachings, right?
There's we don't have the authority to change the church's teaching because they belong to God.
And so even if this individual person is espousing this belief, right, and there are people within the Catholic church that do, that that's not the teachings of the church, right?
You can't change that.
And um, that's like I said, uh I I appreciate the firm foundation of that.
Now, you know, to kind of speak more to your question, I think especially in the United States, um we're we are seeing, I think, within the culture overall a sort of return to traditional values and that kind of thing, especially on young people.
Um, but I also think that um sort of liberalism in itself is becoming a religion, essentially, you know, and and so why is it affecting the church?
Well, because we are treating it, you know, as as a religion.
Abortion is becoming like the liberal sacrament in some way, right?
Um, and and so yeah, so it's it's taking this sort of religious cultic approach to it.
I mean, he was uh uh so prolific in um uh in during the Peloponnesian Wars when the Romans got down to uh what a Carthage or whatever and they saw what they were up to, it was so disgusting to even the pagan Romans that they obliterated their society forever.
Well, so that no one would ever even know about what they were up to.
You you don't we don't even know like what languages they spoke entirely, like they obliterated them.
That's how appalled they were at what they found they were doing for demons.
Yeah, I mean, what so you know, whenever an exorcist um performs an exorcism, one of the things that he's meant to do is ascertain the name of the demon.
Um names have a power, right?
I I actually I preached about this uh last week during one of our daily masses, but you know, I give an example, right?
Uh um you say you're in in love with a girl and you hear your name and and her voice, right?
That has more power than someone else saying your name, right?
So um Having the identity of the demon also tells us a little bit about who this demon is or why they're acting.
But as far as like demons with names, demons are also of different orders of power the same way angels are.
So angels are more or less powerful, and of course, heaven is organized in a hierarchy because that's how God works.
And everyone in the hierarchy serves the people below them because to have power and to uh be in charge is inherent is to serve.
That's like the good, and the reverse of that is to dominate.
And so evil people who are in charge, they dominate as opposed to what a benevolent king should do, which is to serve.
So there are different angels of different ranges of power in order to in order of magnitudes or whatever, and some of the demons are fallen angels who are more or less powerful.
You know, and there's like conjecture that Satan was a throne, one of the most powerful uh choirs of angels, which again makes it so funny that he was smited by Michael, who was of in Arcane.
Yeah, which is the second rank, but not supposedly as powerful as Satan, but stepped up to him and was like, you know, bring it on, big boy.
So it wasn't Hillary Clinton, it was um the email we have from WikiLeaks, I got it pulled up right here.
It's uh Lewis Amsalem, who wrote with fingers crossed, the old rabbit's foot out of the box in the attic, I will be sacrificing a chicken in the backyard to Moloch.
It says Beale called a little late little after 1 30 p.m. to say a meeting with the de facto envoys had been abruptly canceled, but uh perhaps a uh but for perhaps a positive reason.
Michel Letty has asked about half the team to return to to Gucci Galpa.
I don't know how to pronounce that.
Corrales stayed.
Okay, I'm not gonna read through this, but you get the point.
It seems very straightforward.
The envoy seemed confident they would get M to sign the SJ Accord.
Skipping over ahead.
Just before speaking to me, Beal had spoken with Arias, who expressed cautious optimism that we might have to uh might have a breakthrough.
Arias told Beale to tell us that if that happens, the United States gets more credit.
Arya said the US has played the game exactly right with the approximate mix of carrots, sticks, toughness, and unified message, even handedness, and above all, good timing.
Once again, this seems like a very straightforward, boring political uh email.
Beale said we extra was extremely complimentary of the great political instincts shown by Secretary Clinton with fingers crossed, the old rabbit's foot out of the box in the attic, I will be sacrificing a chicken in the backyard to Moloch.
I think what the response is going to be is he's saying we want to get these accords signed, and I'm doing literally every superstitious thing I can to make sure it happens.
I mean, it also is kind of inappropriate for a work email to be like the like I'm not gonna I I'm not gonna go out and say I think this is evidence the guy's actually doing it.
Right.
But I would say to somebody who was emailing jokes like that.
I'm I like uh let's be real.
I'm not gonna go down someone and say, hey, don't put these weird jokes in there.
But if it was a common thing, I'd be like, it's probably not appropriate for work to be like making jokes like this when we're talking about political aquariums.
Apparently, like people have gone there and secretly filmed it.
And that what they say is it's not explicitly that they're worshipping Moloch, they're doing a performance to a Moloch-like deity.
But it's all just very weird when you find out that powerful wealthy people go into the middle of the woods and put on robes and do this kind of like weird ceremony.
And and the response you get, the first thing that they said was, this isn't true, it's made up, it's fake, it's a conspiracy theory.
And then once the internet started to become a bit more ubiquitous and everybody had access to the videos and the articles, and we knew they actually were going to the Bohemian Grove and doing these kind of rituals, they said it's a performance.
It's it's like it's like a country club where we do a gag theater show, and it's like yes, that's still very weird because regular Americans don't do those things.
So I don't live in New Orleans, but I live near New Orleans, and so that sort of culture and and sort of Haitian and voodoo culture affects the area I really live in.
But one of the things I have to look for as a priest is when I'm distributing holy communion at mass, right?
I have to watch some of my peripheral vision to make sure people are actually receiving the host if they're consuming it.
Um, because uh people will want to steal the most blessed sacrament, right?
The host uh for use in in these acts of worship, um, sort of demonic activity.
Um it's happened before where I've noticed a man had taken a host and he pocketed it, and so I I went after him and and got the host from him and consumed it, and then afterwards to go in the park behind the church and see this altar he had erected where he intended to do this ritual.
Um just this past year.
I don't want to say where to protect the identity, but uh priest I know that is involved on campus ministry at a major state university.
Um discovered that the pledges in a fraternity were told to steal host from the Catholic church.
So in the in the rite of exorcism, um, a lot of these names are listed sometimes Because the the priest is told to specifically you know command that these demons depart if they're present, that kind of thing.
Um sometimes we can say that you know perhaps sometimes they're used in a term like Leviathan could refer to Lucifer, uh, but it also may be a separate entity and that sort of thing.
I don't know the demons also are the whole we are legion, we they they speak in sort of uh you know a way that intermixes all of them as one being in a mockery of God.
Everything they do is like an inversion, like that's why so much magic has to do with sex, because sex is supposed to be a part of the sacrament where you selflessly give yourself to another, and when you do that, you're open to creating life together, whereas magic is not is using another for yourself in a way that benefits only you and is not open to life in any way.
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So that's like it's always a direct mockery of what about these other demons?
So I mentioned I'm in Natchez, Mississippi, right?
So the the Natchez Indians, um, who are nearly extinct right now, it's it's it's sad.
But um, the Natchez Indians were a extraordinarily gruesome people.
And uh they're one of the only groups in the United States, only Native American groups in the United States that offered human sacrifice.
Um that and on itself, right?
To find a uh culture that's offering human sacrifice.
Well, we could say that's there's demonic influence right there.
They even had the practice of if the if the chief died, they would kill the chief's entire family, so that the so that his family would be with him in the afterlife, right?
So what they would do is they would make brass statues of him.
He's a human body with a bull's head, and then they would heat the brass statue and put the children while they were still alive and let them slowly roast in his brass hands, and they would scream and they would do rituals.
The Romans witness this, uh the Jews witness this.
Um I think the Samaritans, there were other people who recorded it.
So this is a common thing that goes on for not just like one generation or something, but over the course of hundreds of years in different cultures.
In the Etas, he comes and visits people and stuff for sure.
And in all the pagan gods visit people, that's one of their things is like who is a god and who's not.
But um, demons are beings that you interact with in order to achieve a material goal in this space-time reality.
So Odin was was what you thought was God, and you just he's like a story, but he's not like anyone people are trying to get material things from currently.
Whereas Moloch for all of time was like, I am a creature, I want you to do X for me, and then you will get Y. Whereas Odin was like, I am the this almighty sort of father figure, and I have wisdom, and people were interested in that, and or he's a metaphor for all these other things, you know.
I mean, you can't sell your soul, it's not yours to give away.
So that's a there's a of um, I can't remember what saint it is that talked about a man who has sold his soul and he's being drugged down to hell, and the angels are like literally just say no.
What are you doing?
Say no.
And he he he fell into despair so that he thought he could not be saved because he thought he had sold his soul.
The demons had thrown him into such a depression that they convinced him to take him, but the angels were like, literally walk it off.
And there's this occult view of what what powerful people are doing.
They're they've been doing um they're calling it extended state DMT trips.
These experiments have been going on for a few years where they hook people up to an to an IV and pump small amounts of DMT over a long period of time to create a prolonged DMT trip.
So the way people describe it, I've never done it.
I just listen to podcasts, right?
So what do I know?
But they they describe it as uh blasting off or breaking through.
Some people describe it as breaking through the veil to the other side, like pressing your face through the screen and you can see a bit.
They describe entities on the other side that they experience, machine elves or otherwise.
And I was talking to this dude who's very, very Christian.
I'm not sure if what what denomination, probably Protestant, and he was saying that these entities that people are experiencing, they're demons.
And they're offering up deals.
They're they're they're they're telling you to become corrupted.
They don't say do bad thing.
They're saying, yeah, do this, come on, do this.
And in many instances, they'll offer you knowledge or power in exchange for working with them or abiding by their will And things like this.
And uh, and he was just saying never accept the deal when they hear when you hear the whispers.
However, there is one of the conspiracy theories is that powerful elites do this intentionally, take these deals, and are granted knowledge, like you were saying, things they shouldn't know, and they use this to empower themselves and gain control over other people.
It's interesting when you say that with possession, one of the things you look for is people knowing things they shouldn't.
And then you have in this other area stories about entities from beyond the veil when you take this drug that will offer you up information you should not know, which will grant you more power in the material world, such as like what stock to buy, where what company to invest in, where to find certain things.
To me, that all sounds very much the same, just described in different ways.
Yeah, well, there is a culture within the drug market, like the curl, the cartel, for instance.
Um, so there's I was mentioning this earlier this morning.
There's a uh within Latin American culture, there's this weird and an inappropriate relationship of sort of Christianity and paganism that intertwines, and you start to see these sort of um these death cults that enter into it, you start to see a lot of um sort of paganistic and and witchcraft uh stuff enter into it.
Well, either way, within the cartel, uh you hear stories of things like witches cursing loads of drugs with the intention that people become addicted to them and and right and so and therefore fall further into that, right?
And then when you're also when you're under the influence of drugs, you're more you know, you're you're your reason is more affected, and so you're more probable to commit sin, right?
So obviously it benefits the enemy as well.
Um, but yeah, so you you like I said, you you see that within the drug culture.
I can't talk about this particularly, but um I think you should agree a little bit because I'm I'm wondering if you know, uh, one way I'll describe it as I grew up Catholic, left the church after my family, we switched schools and things like this, but I had a general understanding with religious class, we called it and going to mass.
Uh I I went through um, I had communion, I never had confirmation.
But when I started reading, uh, so I had this period from probably like 13 till 18 where I was like, I'm an atheist.
And that's what people told me.
And then uh, I don't know what I'm describing myself as now, but I do believe in God.
I just don't follow any particular faith structure.
But when I started reading about quantum physics and theory, that's actually what part of what made me move back towards believing in God is that what what what I had learned reading as a kid that was never accurately explained to me, and then reading this science and realizing that there was some connection there and that people may just be looking at something, but from different angles.
I was like, oh, God does God is real.
And I I think God is observable.
I won't get into my whole theory and breakdown of all that because we I it takes forever, and I've done several times, but I do believe that God is observable in reality.
We we can see signs of God, I think you probably agree.
And I've met people who think that's not true, and I think they're just they they need uh information, information.
So I'm curious when I hear about all of this DMT stuff, which is wildly popular, everyone loves it.
You know, Joe Rogan talks about, or he used to talk about it all the time, and everybody was like, whoa.
It seems like there's something to it.
And I would describe it as there are signs all around us, such as with science about unseen forces, like I was describing with the electromagnetic spectrum.
Forever humans had no idea it existed because we can't perceive it.
And then one day somebody was like, hey, this weird thing is happening to this metal when I do something like this, there's something interacting with it.
Now we have cell phones.
Now we have satellites.
Now wireless technology, we get it.
We have X-ray detection, we have even magnetism.
So it should be patently obvious to any human being that understands these these discoveries.
We probably haven't discovered everything.
There are unseen forces that exist all around us.
So there's something interesting with the DMT stuff that I'll that I'm getting to.
People have all of these stories of experiencing the same thing, the same entities and shared knowledge, which is one of the reasons why I think people are so interested in dimethyltryptamine, because it makes people feel like there may be real evidence of something beyond that we can't perceive as humans.
There's a famous story that Vice published a while ago where a man said he did DMT, large dose, blast it off, found himself in this strange reality where he met a purple woman.
This woman told him things.
When he comes back down, he was talking to one of his other trippy friends, and his friend told him about a purple woman he had met who told him these things.
And that's when the guy said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what?
I was told the exact same things from the exact same person.
And it's something like that.
So there, there are so many stories where people who have shared trips, they they they do they'll go in separate rooms, they do experiments with this and they'll take DMT, and then these two people will report knowledge that neither should should that no one shared with each other.
And so I'm, you know, I look at this and I wonder if humans are starting to touch upon these demonic entities.
They're they're they're being able to visualize and describe something that is tangible that I presume the church has known about for millennia, but now through DMT, science is actually saying maybe these things actually are real and we can actually document their existence.
There's an odd um that this is like getting into the realm of like kooky quackery outside of religion.
We're like, what?
What?
But there are uh UFO investigators who have done research into it, and they're trying to figure out like, okay, every time someone's abducted, I'm gonna interview everyone who's abducted, and I'm gonna see if there's anyone who's interrupted in abduction experience, if that's ever happened.
Because abduction experiences, they tend to happen from beginning to end in the creatures who have who abduct these people and the people who say they have these experiences, they describe them from beginning to end, they're powerless.
So UFO researchers are like, who has ever interrupted one?
That's interesting, right?
Let's think about that.
So he starts to look through it, and he finds that there are people who have interrupted uh these experiences, these abduction experiences, and universally all of them interrupted them by calling upon the name of Jesus.
So the UFO community got really weird about this, which is hilarious that dorks who are like UFOs are real, and then a guy's like, I think Jesus is involved, and they're like, get this loser out of here.
Like, you know, like they're so they kind of buried these people, and you can look it up and they've tried to like speak out against it, whatever.
But one of the interesting things about DMT is the universal experience with alien grays.
Almost everyone who does DMT has an experience with what they described as like an alien that as described by people who have seen them.
So they're like, oh, it's like a skinny type of alien, like an ET, like a oh man, I I'm I'm making Alex Jones unproud.
I I forget what the name of the aliens are with the machine elves, the yeah, the the Grays.
But anyway, so they people universally from different cultures who don't even know see these aliens.
So it's interesting that they're witnessing aliens, and then there's these other people who were like, Well, aliens might have something to do with the demonic, because apparently the name of Christ is the only thing that interrupts an abduction experience.
And it's fascinating because a lot of people will actually just say, What we've heard this people and people people will chat us all the time saying what people think of as aliens are demons.
That these it's fascinating that it's like we lost the knowledge.
These things have been ex have been described and explained by humans for millennia.
And now today, because of the rise of secularism and the stepping away of religion, people don't know what they're talking about.
Uh I'm I'm not saying they're in ignorance, I'm saying they will see an entity and then say, that's an alien, even though it's been described formality as a demon.
One thing I find uh truly fascinating in a much more like for for those that you know don't believe in don't let's bring it back to Earth for you guys a little bit.
So this is very popular among the tech elite and um, I guess atheists to a certain degree, not everyone, but there are many that are entertaining the possibility that the universe we exist in was a simulation created by a more advanced civilization.
The fascinating thing about that is what they're basically saying is that a higher power planned the creation of this universe for which we exist in for a purpose.
And I'm like, I'm just gonna stop you Right there.
You've basically you know, I was talking to someone about simulation theory, and I said, I recommend you talk to some theologians, priests, and learned holy men.
Because when you discuss simulation theory, that's like chapter one of my religion book when I was five years old.
And so I wonder, uh, you know, just going back to So what we have here is I I looked up common reports of demonic entities with DMT, it's machine elves.
I I've had people describe them as like slinky like beings.
I don't know if you guys have heard that.
I don't know.
I've never done DMT.
I I I've never done drugs actually.
And um, they describe them as like they have like this wavy, slinky like structure.
But it also mentions commonly shadow figures and demonic shapes in some cases, especially with fear anxiety, the beings are hostile or terrifying, described as demons or dark gods.
And it mentions a religious overlap with ayahuasca ceremonies where people sometimes believe they encounter spirits, angels, demons.
I wonder if humans have actually known this for thousands of years.
They're I th there are learned religious holy men who talk about beings that exist beyond, they don't have a form.
And it's and just like with simulation theory, people are scratching the surface of religion 101 in trying to describe what they're seeing.
I wonder if we would benefit greatly from these hippie dippy DMT people actually just going and talking to a priest for a little bit and finding that what they're describing may actually already be written down for thousands of years.
There's a the the movie that I just uh assisted with um to the ritual.
There's a great line that Al Pacino's character has in it.
So he's he plays the the exorcist in the movie, and he's arguing with another priest that's struggling to believe that this is real.
And and he says, you know, father, uh the enemy's ways may be new to you, but they're ancient.
He's been doing this for thousands of years, you know.
And and and you're right, right.
So the the church talks about if you look out over human culture, right?
So one of the things I do in my so my field is ritual and liturgy.
So I I study a lot of paganistic rituals and that kind of thing, and you'll find similarities, right?
From culture to culture, um, of similar beliefs, similar religious practices.
And so the church says we call this the the Stigia Trinitatis, that there's vestiges of the Trinity all through the culture because ultimately there's only one truth, right?
And so when people discover truth, they're touching upon the one truth who's God himself.
And so when we discover these truths in these cultures, uh, it's because ultimately, right, they're they're finally touching the truth.
And so, you know, I I would say if you can look over thousands, millions of years of human history, and all of a sudden you keep finding the same thing popping up again and again and again and again.
There has to be something true behind it.
And and we in the 21st century aren't just totally, you know, oh, this is brand new.
One of the one of the things that irks me with these like ghost hunter shows is that they're completely unserious.
And I think that we should be pursuing when people experience what would be described as supernatural phenomenon, a legitimate scientific exploration of this information.
Instead, what you get is EMF detectors and like microphones to make weird recordings, and that's just some made-up stuff.
That's not actually the scientific method or process.
My uh my mother is into ghost hunting or was, and I went with her.
I actually have an entire album about it.
But we experienced uh we had like a supernatural experience, but the equipment is insane.
Yeah, they just have like an Xbox connect duct tape to their head and they're like, I'm doing science right now.
And you're like, I don't think you are though.
I think you have uh you have a very old game system taped to your face, actually.
And they have lasers and like all kinds of weird stuff, and you know, it's built by who knows who, and they the science is shoddy, but some of it it does seem to like do something.
I think a lot I was reading once uh that a lot of this phenomenon we experience can be explained by ultra low frequency vibration, which creates a like a sensation within your body.
You can't hear it or perceive it.
Possible.
I just find it fascinating that there are so many stories of people experiencing some kind of supernatural phenomenon and it is dismissed by the mainstream.
I actually I actually take that back.
I don't think it is.
I think people are scared to admit it, but obviously the fact that Ghost Hunter shows exist, the fact that the DMT question is so popular suggests that regular people do accept there.
There is a there is there are forces out there that we can't perceive that influence us, either physically or mentally or emotionally.
But for some reason, on the surface, nobody wants to admit it.
So I used to have like uh I used to be uh a major leftist.
I I had a show on Gas Digital with Kern Fisher where I pushed leftist politics and stuff, and I quit that and converted.
And of course, I had like tens of thousands of people who be like, we're gonna kill you over this now and death threats and all the all the wildest things you can imagine.
But over the course of time when I would tell people I was religious, I would expect a lot of pushback from like, you know, the stranger parts of my religion, but those are the parts that people are the most receptive to.
When I tell people like, oh yeah, dude, spiritual warfare, I feel like I'm going through it like regular people will be like, Do you should you want should I throw some sage down?
Like they they think that they're like it people are like, yeah, to be Christian is weird and bad, but attacked by demons, yeah, I get that.
So we live in like this this very spiritual society that's trying to like discern this thing we all intuitively know is true, but they've totally thrown off the tradition that got us to where we are in this spiritual world.
That's like what I'm saying with the simulation theory stuff.
We were having a discussion with someone about this, and I'm just like, you're you're just you're describing the first thing they taught us in religion class when I was a little kid, and these these big tech guys think they've discovered something profound to say we're in a simulation.
And I I just I my response is could you call it a construct instead of a simulation?
And I'm like, a simulation implies it's a copy of, and you don't know that.
You're arguing that we exist in a construct.
Yes.
Ah, so did God construct the universe that we are in?
And and then it's oh, maybe people already conceptualize this a very, very, very long time ago, and we all actually believed it, but maybe what's happening is we are being convinced to not believe it by dark forces.
We are being told to disregard that which we know is true.
And exactly as you described it, I can't tell you how many people I know are like, I'm gonna burn sage.
But again, I think like I said, that that's symptomatic of a culture we live in where we've we've inverted truth, right?
So um, but what I do think you see right now, and I'm seeing this in the church is the younger generation, it it's becoming more traditional, more conservative, and that sort of thing, because I it we've reached a point where tradition and conservativism is the rebellion.
We redefined love, which is like the the main symptom of of most of society's ills, whereas love is to will the good of the other, and to will the good of the other means not to tolerate them and their evil or to lie to them or to allow them to fall into disrepair,
it means to do difficult things, to to love someone is to will their good, which isn't necessarily to be nice to them, but we've redefined love as to tolerate and be nice to and accept no matter what.
Uh I guess we took unconditional love and really ran with it, and we forgot the you know, we're humans and things are very conditional for us.
It's it's more it's it's very, very similar to demons in Arabic culture.
And it even says here they can possess humans causing illness, madness, temptation.
They are very much demonic.
Uh I I believe it even refers to um uh Iblis, Satan, the Islamic equivalent of Satan.
Is that djinn who rebelled against Allah rather than angel?
I think that might just be words, but they're trying to convey something similar, though.
Yeah, yeah.
Uh I was reading once that most cultures have very, very similar basic belief structures around things like ghosts, possession, demons.
And the question was why?
Why is there a culture in you know the North in the Americas separated by thousands of years and tens of and tens plus twenty twenty thousand miles, but they have a very they they it's like they're looking at the same thing but describing it differently.
I mean, let's we all intuitively know it's that thing where like when you're a kid, you have all these weird experiences and you get older and you kind of explain them away.
Ah, I didn't see a ghost, I didn't feel that scary thing that one time.
I didn't hear a voice, I didn't do that.
But when you, you know, and then now you're an adult, you rationalize everything, and then of course, you know, if the enemy uh is pushing you towards sin, they're like, Well, I don't have to do that anymore.
I got this guy locked in, so I'll just let him live in his sort of apathy, and then we'll just see what happens with him.
Yeah, so I I was involved with like the the uh the church of say it's so like the political organization.
Okay, so they they pretend to be Satanists.
This is huge quotation, Marx, because they are Satanists, right?
It's it's like a trick.
It would basically be like if I started a fake Christian church and a bunch of people showed up and I was like, all right, so we all don't have sex before marriage anymore, and we're gonna pray the Our Father and worship Christ, but it's it's all aesthetic.
Don't worry.
We wear the crosses, but it's a joke.
Anyway, give your soul over to Jesus, talk about it and follow the laws.
And you're like, well, it doesn't seem very aesthetic if I'm doing it, right?
If I'm, you know, and so Satanism, you know, do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law and all these other things.
Uh, you know, and so you think like, oh, this is just a this is a goofy, like I'm just scaring silly Christians who are trying to put the Ten Commandments outside of courthouses, but you're participating in Satanism proper.
I mean, that is Satanism.
Yeah, I would just be curious, like the extent of interactions you had with demonic well within that organization, there are people just doing political things and being aesthetic and whatever.
But then of course, there's a bunch of people doing magic and witchcraft.
And I did get involved in that for a time where I was like, I don't know, I was reading.
I'm I've always been a fan of philosophy and stuff.
When I was young, I was an edgy atheist.
I had to read all the four horsemen.
You know, I loved Hitchens.
Then I got into Albert Camus, and I was like, ooh, the stranger.
I'm I'm not a nihilist, I'm an absurdist, I'm smarter than everybody.
And then of course you keep going along in life.
And then eventually I was like, well, if I'm open to all this stuff, why wouldn't I be open to like the occult or whatever?
Let's see what it's about.
And I read uh a book that I'm not gonna name, but it's a book about a type of magic that's very popular that most uh people do.
And I started to do some of the stuff in there, and it started working, and that was like a big uh moment for me where I went from sort of being like uh I would describe myself as an agnostic atheist.
I would do the Sam the uh Sam Harris grift, where I'm like, No, I'm I'm like kind of an atheist.
I'm just not all the way I I'm not doing presumption, but I'm an atheist otherwise.
I would do that, and that pushed me fully into like, nope, that's right.
Yeah, something's going on, there's something happening.
And then of course I got scared and gave that up.
And then over time I got very, very lucky and experienced a miracle, which brought me to Christ.
But like uh in that time, I mean, I experienced lots of terrifying things, and I experienced you know that that stuff works, and you have to pay like a severe and intense price for it, too.
I mean, yeah, so there are people who are inviting demons into their lives, uh, trying to bring them out, trying to just so there are people who uh they're doing magic, and so they're trying to affect their material reality by doing rituals and things,
and then you go beyond that into people who are mad at God, and then they start to do things um in order to hurt God or the people who follow God, and then the more you do one, the more it leads into the other, because again, sin darkens the intellect and makes you angry, which makes you insane, which makes you susceptible to manipulation by demons.
The next thing you know, you're a guy who wears a diaper with your girlfriend on the weekends and you do magic and you're a huge loser, you know.
Like those are the types of people who do this stuff.
They're they're creeps and weirdos.
Like universally, there's no one who does this kind of stuff that's like not into the weirdest, grossest thing you've ever heard of, right?
And so um basically they they do get so into it that then they begin to be obsessed with power, and yeah, just like the the idea that like I could bring this into the world, or I could summon or interact with this, like uh you become obsessed with the power that they make you feel, I suppose.
And so people become really into that.
I was never into that.
I think very luckily, I was like, oh, I want money, I want women, I want success, you know, all that kind of stuff.
And as soon as the my life began to fall apart as I received certain things and I experienced some really dark things, I was like, oh, I'm out.
Um so this is real, but you you know, there's a price and a cause for everything, so I'm out very luckily.
But there are people who get really into it, and then they go even beyond what they're doing for themselves, and now they're trying to do to others.
So then you get like satanic ritual abuse where people are like hurting children or trying to consecrate people to the devil or do things like they're playing the long game, so they want the devil to hurt your family two generations from now, type stuff.
And exorcists, uh, as far as I know, do experience that.
There's a there's a Latin adage within the church, Lexeron Deluxe Crudundi.
So that's the law of prayer, the way we pray is going to determine how we believe, right?
So you know, people, this is one of the reasons that the church doesn't put exorcisms out for people to kind of sort of look at at a spectators, right?
Is because you can become obsessive, right?
And maybe it's just an interest.
Maybe you're just looking at this because you're interested.
But as you become interested, then all of a sudden you want to see, well, does this work if I do it?
Right.
Well, then as you start seeing, well, does this work?
Then you start to believe this and you start to live this life, right?
But the same thing's true uh invertly, right, within the church.
And that's why I think within a younger culture today, we're live in a world where where nothing is true, nothing can be accepted as true.
And so now you start seeing an uptick of people becoming Catholic, for instance, young people becoming Catholic because it's they're finding the one place they can believe there's a foundation of truth.
And not only do they become Catholic, but they become traditionalist Catholic, right?
And it's a behavior that we as humans associate with a demonic like we in our movies.
This is how the the possessed behave.
And so I see this and I'm thinking, you know, the the way I the way I uh described why I I made a video last week said it's time to bring back exorcisms.
And the point I was making is that I've traveled the world, I've met a lot of people, I've met some bad people.
And almost entirely the the motives and behaviors of the individuals are in are entirely human.
That is, they follow human vice, which would be the actions taken for reasons of envy, wrath, uh lust, gluttony.
These are these are very obvious things to us.
So when someone attacks another person, why did they do it?
And wrath.
They felt anger sometimes, just for no reason, they were angry.
Uh envy.
They're they stole from you because they were jealous of something you had, they attacked you.
And recently I've experienced things that defy human vice.
Uh typically, when humans do bad things, they're they're they're they're getting something satisfactory from it, either emotionally or physically.
But with the death of Charlie Kirk, while some of it you can describe as emotionally satisfactory to those who have missions which are at odds with Charlie, a lot of it just seems to defy any kind of human benefit in any way.
And that to me feels demonic.
That the only purpose of making a video like this or of desecrating a memorial.
Why why desecrate a memorial to somebody?
You don't benefit from it in any way.
It only defiles and causes suffering.
And we've I feel like we've seen a massive uptick in that, which to me feels like demonic possession or influence.
So you had this shooting at the Catholic school in Wisconsin, right?
But another story that happened within the same week that hardly anyone knew about it was there was a shooting at St. Michael's Abbey in California that was thwarted, right?
So a man from Alabama drove all the way to St. Michael's Abbey, right?
He called himself the angel of death.
He's going to St. Michael's Abbey, right?
Who's the angel of life and defending the Lord, right?
You know, just to see, hey, wait a minute, they weren't scratch all, they weren't scratch all they were powerball tickets, but they were blank powerball tickets.
Look at this album, Alabama man who called himself the angel of death arrested and accused of threatening California monastery.
They said that he had weapons, he had brass knuckles, a dirk or dagger.
I think it's funny that they have to qualify what a dirk is because people don't know what it is.
That's not fun.
Uh he's all he had a large capacity magazine.
I think it's silly that that in of itself was a crime, but considering the threats he was making, they're saying planning, sophistication, and professionalism drove from Alabama to the victim church to reiterate threats he had made via email.
Just a few months ago in Abbeyville, Louisiana, right?
So they were having uh a Sunday mass.
It was first communion, I believe.
And uh a man came in with a gun and attempted to discharge it.
And luckily, I believe they have a person who was a deputy or something, and so they they were able to grab him quick enough and then put the church on lockdown.
So I I have two different churches, and so on on Sunday morning I go to 8 a.m. at one church and then come back to the basilica for 10 a.m.
And when I got back for the 10 a.m. mass for Easter Sunday morning, uh someone had come in and taking the flowers off the altar and hurled them across the church, right?
On it's just it's wild to see these things happening.
Yeah, I went to this church in Queens, it was like a neighborhood where there was a lot of disturbed people, and every like every Sunday without fail, someone would come in, try to fist fight like the pastor, try to fist fight a D. It was like a constant flow of just disturbed people.
And it's like, dude, that's I'm glad that for instance the the Michigan shooting and the I'm sorry, the Minnesota shooting and the uh California shooting that was thwarted, both are being investigated by the FBI as a as a Catholic hate crime.
I don't think that would have happened in the previous administration.
I mean, this is the the craziest thing to me is how it's hyperfixation on Christianity.
It it's almost always.
I mean, there's there's tons of things in the mainstream that crazy people could target, but it seems like often the political movements are targeting Christian values.
Uh, you can take a look at I mean, I'll I'll keep it vague for the purpose of not being overtly political.
The left in this country seems to object wholly to Christian values and give a pass to other horrible values or religious structures.
Well, like, look with Kirk, like what specifically what problems, what acts they have to grind with and what they're drilling down on.
Is they're drilling down on beliefs that are widely held by Christians in the United States, which is like pro life to abortion, uh, opposition to gay marriage.
Like these things are very conventional and biblical beliefs.
But my my friend um Harrison, who's the kicker for the Kansas City Chiefs, right?
He's he spoke at Benedictine last year for their convincement address, and you know, and uh and I did tell us like maybe you should have said all of these at a commits with address, but either way, right?
I mean, he's a he's at a Catholic college espousing Catholic beliefs, right?
And he's talking about marriage in the family and encouraging them to go off and have good family lives, right?
And he just he's getting death threats, right?
People want him to get fired, right?
They're threatening his family.
So a member of the uh Kansas City uh mayor's office posted his address on Twitter.
It's wild to imagine that being on the other foot in any way, shape, or form.
That if someone from another faith was like, remember to live out the values of your faith, women were doing a range marriage, you know, or whatever, people would be like, Yeah, that's their culture.
But when he does it as a Catholic university and gets like what a standing ovation or whatever at the end, people are like, Well, you see all the women clapping, that was evil, clearly.
Like, and then they go after him.
You're like, he's at a Catholic college saying Catholic things to Catholic people.
Well, Stephen Crowder had a really great example of this years ago where with this baker in Colorado, they went and they said, bake me the cake with this message.
He refused, he got sued.
They came after him, they sued him several times, and I believe it was Crowder, he went to Dearborn, Michigan.
I could be getting the story wrong, but he went to a heavily Muslim area and asked Muslim bakeries to make cakes for a gay marriage and a gay wedding, and they refused.
There's the subversion of Christianity, because Christianity is like to them inherently attached to whiteness somehow, despite the fact that it's a Middle Eastern and African religion.
We every single culture has been colonized by another culture, but we we're somehow uniquely evil because of our position in history and the fact that we did the industrial revolution, I guess.
That that that's why they will defend, you know, everything they claim that they're opposed to can be seen in other cultures they don't care about, even here in the United States.
Christianity is the bedrock of Western civilization, specifically the United States.
And so it's like, of course, these people fundamentally hate their fathers.
And what what is more paternal?
What is more representative of a father than Christianity of God?
And so of course these people are going to react with not just vitro, but like they have a personal grudge against Christianity because they feel like it's in direct opposition to every single thing they stand for.
Well, if you feel abandoned by your father, you know, you would also I mean, and as a young man who grew up without a father and made all the mistakes young men without fathers make.
I also was an atheist who was mad.
Why would you let this happen to me?
I didn't have a father to look to.
I mean, you know, and that's the number of and uh again, this might be something I'm I wrong, but I've heard from priests and even other Protestant pastors and stuff.
The number one indicator of if a child is gonna grow up and be a healthy, normal Christian adult is if they get to see their father be devout.
Yeah, that's it.
Not their mother, not their cousins, not anyone else, not even their priest.
Um it was actually done by uh the Southern Baptist Convention, they did the study, but it it was if if a child is the one to recommend the family go to church, right?
Three percent of the families will go.
If it's a mother, 17% of families.
If the father recommends 98% of families that's the that's the effect of fatherhood.
And so we are experiencing a crisis of fatherhood, I think, right now.
This is uh I saw this video from Charlie Kirk actually, um, in the wake of the devastating horrible assassination.
Videos from Charlie have been going massively viral.
And there's a really interesting one where he is challenged on whether or not this country was a Christian nation.
And we've had this debate many times.
And we hear from liberals all the time saying they intentionally, the founding fathers intentionally did not put in the Constitution because it was not meant to be a Christian nation.
But what they're omitting from this is the reason why the founding documents at the federal level omit religion was because the states had slightly different takes on it.
And so the federal government was saying we're not going to force Catholic Maryland to agree with Protestant Massachusetts.
The uh yeah, in the American freedom of religion isn't freedom to just be like whatever, like, oh, I worship flying spaghetti monster, I'm edgy or whatever.
It's it's freedom to choose your denomination of Christianity without being brutally murdered, like was happening in Europe.
So Quakers, uh, you know, Lutherans, uh Anglicans and Catholics were like, all right.
And they were doing the meme that we're doing now.
I was gonna read this from the North Carolina Constitution.
It says no person who shall deny the being of God or the truth of the Protestant religion or the divine authority, either of the old or new testaments shall be capable of holding any office or place of trust or prophet in the civil department within this state.
That is just a they they worded that very, very well to make sure who there's a lot of commas there.
Who said uh the Constitution was written for a people who believe in God and would be more John Adams said for a Uh religious and more or ethical people.
And so like, then yeah, then the 19th century rolls around, and then you know, we get used to Catholics who are like, all right, you know, you guys maybe drink a bit much, but you're you're on the team.
But um, yeah, and then like you said, well, yeah, because I think it was Article Six of the Constitution, like bars, uh, religious tests for federal office, and that kind of just trickled down into the state constitution.
We've had such debates over whether it's a Christian nation, and I think typically what I find of many liberals is they're just ignorant of the details.
I did a political compass test earlier, which is going to be up at like 2 p.m., which finds that I am a social libertarian, it means I'm actually pretty lefty.
I do think the political compass test is flawed in how they ask the questions.
Uh, it presents absolutes, which if you're not gonna just assert absolutes, it's gonna call you a leftist because the questions are framed in such a way.
But ultimately, my point what we really define as left and right in this country is whether or not you believe what's true or you believe the lies.
And so often these debates, the the reason why the right has Char uh has Charlie Kirk, the reason why he was able to do these big events and rally and debate is because the truth was on his side.
He knew that he could stand there, and whatever you asked him, he could he could throw the truth at you, and these liberals would be like, Well, I got nothing.
And that's most of his videos.
The left responded by saying he was insulting ignorant college kids.
He let literally anybody ask him any question about they believed, and the purpose of going to colleges to talk to these people is where it's there, it's it's it's where people are supposed to be learning about philosophy, morals, the the greater world, and that's the place to go do it.
Yeah, well, but the problem is we you know education within the United States, unless you're going to a very specific, you know, liberal arts, conservative university, whatever it is, right?
It's it's so influenced by wokeism, right?
So, you know, I I'm I am uh the rector of a Catholic school in Mississippi, and I stay in contact with a lot of students who are off at state universities and that kind of thing.
And um, they're they're being required to write papers, you know, against Trump or that kind of thing, right?
That's a requirement for class, right?
And and so we're we're educating people, um, you know, on the state level, right?
I mean, that's a state institution, right?
Uh, to question the government and to and to question morals and and traditional uh, you know, Christian understandings of of the world.
Um, and so yeah, you're gonna have people um, you know, going after Charlie Kirk, you know, because they're being told they're being, you know, given this in schools that this is what they have to believe, right?
And so you can't murder someone unless you're in a duel with the unless there's consent because murder is a legal term.
You can kill, you can't murder.
That is uh, you know, obviously the difference between self-defense and stuff, and that's where the confusion comes when people are like, um, you're a Christian, aren't you supposed to be some kind of hippie that lets me do whatever I want to you?
You know, that kind of thing.
And it's like, no, that's not what Christianity is, even a little bit, but um, so people, you know, we're supposed to live in a society where everyone is a uh has Christian morality, has massive societal consequences, no matter where they go, in what state, because if they go against Christian morality, people will withhold their ability to participate in church, to participate in society at large, to participate in polite society.
But now we're finding ourselves in a situation where, like, oh, actually, we're trying to do the virtuous thing, and they not only do they not believe in God, they don't even believe morality is objective.
They don't believe in virtue.
They're all utility.
And if you're living in a materialist utilitarian world as let out by Marx or whoever, then yeah, shooting people is what solves problems.
It drives me crazy when I hear people say, you know, like, well, conservatives, Republicans, right?
They're they're they're bringing Nazism and into the country.
They go that's it couldn't be further from the truth, right?
I mean, what was the the Nazi agenda was it was basically this utilitarian society, right?
To expouse, you know, uh to to get rid of the sort of Christian undertones of everything and everything, and we're all we're just gonna live according to money and and our own beliefs and that kind of thing.
And and um that's not at all what the the right is trying to do.
Yeah, every leftist organization from I mean the French Revolution, obviously, they destroyed the Catholic Church, they destroyed relics, they d murdered hundreds of clergy and nuns, beheaded them in guillotines, tried to make them renounce their faith.
They turned the churches into the church of reason.
Yeah, which isn't super creepy or weird at all.
Then they even tried to destroy the calendar and make a revolutionary calendar.
Uh Napoleon, who had he believed in liberalism, but he didn't believe in the revolutionary social ideas, so he reinstated the Catholic Church, put them back in charge of uh education and stuff, and then he created a country that was so powerful the entire world had to fight him six times before they stopped him.
The Von Day, they did one of the first Christian genocide, or not the first Christian genocides, but the first modern European Christian genocide, where the Vonday region of France refused to renounce Catholicism or surrender, and the rebellion there was so bad that they asked Napoleon to go and he refused and was actually removed from the military for a time.
Almost ended his entire career because it was so disgusting what the revolution was doing to uh Bible-believing people in France.
And then, of course, like that extends to the Bolshevik Revolution, the Spanish Civil War.
What's the first thing the anarchists did?
Let's dig up nuns' bodies and pose with them.
Let's sexually assault and murder people and the clergy.
Let's destroy churches and relics in history, you know.
And of course, then they galvanize everyone against them.
And then they have so many problems that they they can't even they have to defend their own supply lines on their own territory.
So yeah, moral bankruptcy doesn't help you win wars.
Some of the Republican death squads were heavily staffed by members of the Soviet Union's secret police, the NKVD.
According to Ronald Rodash, the price the Republicans paid for Soviet aid was the very factor that led to the Republic Republic's eventual demise.
In exchange for military aid, Stalin demanded the transformation of the Republic into a prototype for this for the so-called people's democracies of post-war eastern and central Europe.
And then they, of course, uh the leftists began to fight each other like they do.
So the anarchists were fighting the P U O M or whatever, P O U M, I can't remember.
That's who Orwell fought with, and they became disillusioned with them and left.
And then, of course, or Orwell very famously talked about his experiences and how disillusioned he became with communism and everything, and how he stopped being a communist.
And it, of course, he became a democratic socialist.
And people think it may be bigger too, because there were uh, you know, people who uh religious people who went to Spain to help and then you know weren't documented and were murdered or whatever else.
But what didn't Orwell very specifically say while he was in Spain that the most voracious and terrifying of the Soviet agents were young women?
And he was like the women, the women were always the ones who were the most intense and the most willing to carry out party, uh pull the party line.
And I'm like, man, 80%.
I felt like I feel like it was almost 80 to 90 percent women celebrating Charlie's death and being insane, and it's like, wow, that that tracks that tracks pretty well when women lose the ability to nurture and to be kind and loving, even in the face of of like uh hardship or frustration or whatever, that's when that's like uh that's when you know that's demonic, right?
Yeah, that's the reverse of what a woman is to cackle at someone's death.
Um he's talking about the young women, he said we're the most bigoted adherents of the party, the swallowers of slogan, the amateur spies and nosers out of an orthodoxy.
What percentage of these I mean, this is kind of what we've been getting at, but of these emotional um sort of ailments that we're seeing are just spiritual attacks from demons.
I mean, I mean, we've been getting at this for the whole episode, but yeah, I mean, I don't know if I can give a percentage.
I mean, I I would say, you know, obviously of the calls that I get, the overwhelming majority of them are usually of some other explanation.
But I I believe that on the whole, what we're seeing in our culture, it may not be possession in itself, right?
But it's it's demonic activity, right?
It's it's it's it's oppression, it's it's the ways that um again, if we if we begin to live a certain way, then we're gonna again to believe a certain way.
And uh, and so the enemy is influencing the culture in that way, and it and it's all it's a trickle-down method, right?
So why why are women having uh a difficulty in understanding um you know the sort of the the inherent dignity of being a woman?
I think that it has to do with the fact that we have this crisis of fatherhood in our culture, right?
It's all hand in hand.
Yeah, um, and so when you take away one of the stool, one of the legs of the stool, the stool's gonna fall over.
How how does the church uh father determine force?
Because I know you told a couple times already where uh priests had to restrain a man that was trying to take the host.
Now there's examples of that.
Everyone has probably heard a story like that, but with the the violence going on right now, how do you guys determine what's appropriate when you should step in and restrain someone when you should block someone from entering the church?
Like, how do you guys come up with how do you determine that?
Yeah, so um when the church is considering to perform a solemn exorcism, right?
There's a uh a standard procedure that has to be gone through where they get medical tests and psychological tests and that sort of thing.
If if someone's in in the instance, right there in my communion line, um, no one is allowed to take the host, right?
So how do I determine it's like well, if you don't consume it, then I determine to take it from you.
That's the way it is.
Um we don't have any, at least not on my diocese, we have no rules to determine who can enter and exit the church.
Now, I will say since the Connecticut shooting, we're a lot more careful, especially about our school mass, right?
So we're we're locking all the doors except the front door, and then there's someone at the door monitoring who's entering and exiting.
Um, but I mean, there are going to be a number of people um who are coming to my church all day long who may have, you know, I may visually discern they're weir, but it doesn't mean they're necessarily possessed, right?
I mean, there's um, for instance, if you're in a populated area, you're gonna find homeless people in the church.
Why?
Because they need somewhere to go and the church is open, right?
And so they should be able to go when a lot of homeless people are dealing with mental illness, it doesn't mean they're possessed, right?
So that's a difficult thing, right?
There's no one that I'm just gonna stand there like, well, you can't come in because like it's smell the demon on you, you know.
Like that doesn't happen.
Um but you know, I do think that looking at the culture on a greater whole, we can start to see patterns that are um uh can what's the word I'm looking for?
They can denote to us uh that the enemy is involved.
And maybe you want to content uh comment on that as well.
But um, you know, I I think if we're seeing repetitive patterns of things that we saw in paganism, for instance, we brought paganism up.
Well, we may not have people, you know, we do have some people building statues to idols in in America, but we may not have, you know, what we recognize visually as paganism, but we're definitely having paganism within our morals today, and it's produced producing eventually the same fruit, right?
We talked about abortion, human sacrifice and and violence and and this sort of hatred.
Um I think it's ironic that the word hate is thrown out so much towards people with Christian ideals when the reality, at least from my perspective, is that where the hate is directed is Christianity.
So there's ever since um sort of just I guess the whole revolution of thought in the 60s and 70s, right?
That everywhere every aspect of society was impacted, and the church was impacted as well, right?
And so we saw a significant decline in and young men becoming priests, especially women going into religious orders.
And we filled out in the church, right?
So in my diocese in Mississippi, right?
So we're the largest geographic diocese east of the Mississippi.
So from one corner to the other is about six and a half hours.
We have about over 90 parishes in our diocese and about 30 something priests, which means that all of us are stretched very thin.
So I'm responsible for, you know, I'm responsible for Basilica, another parish uh for the largest Catholic school in the state of Mississippi, uh, in addition to other duties I have where I work, you know, for the bishop on some committees and I'm working on my PhD, right?
So uh to use the line from Tolkien right, um, I'm butter stretched and you know, stretched in and too much bread.
That's how I feel, but that doesn't allow me to interact with people the way that priest would have been able to in older times, right?
The house I live in is a three-story antebellum mansion that used to have tons of priests in, and I live in it alone, right?
And so it used to be this community of Natchez, which is relatively a small town by American standards, would have had multiple priests to go out and visit with people and be with the sick and be with people who are struggling, and now they don't have access to that, and I think people are suffering because of that.
Um, but that's like I said, that's an effect of um the culture of the day where people just weren't being faithful and so they weren't going into seminaries.
It's also a reflection, I think, of the abuse scandal that the Catholic church went to in America that people didn't want to be, you know, put into an area where they're automatically assumed to be an abuser.
And I'm I'll say the day I was ordained, you know, I was walking to a restaurant and had my collar on, and a woman held her son back from me and said, stay away from little boys, right?
I mean, so I'll immediately Catholic priests are assumed to be the wrong person.
Um, right.
But yes, we're we're feeling the effects of that in the church.
That's why sin has temporal consequences on our bodies.
Sure.
And so when you are spiritually sick or suffering or demons or whatever, uh, that absolutely has effects on your physical and mental health.
Like for instance, I was severely depressed before my conversion.
Like uh, I had sought out medication and help for almost 10 years.
And one of the things right before my conversion that helped me push towards moving into conversion was I was I was at the point where I was doing the best I'd ever done in life.
Like I had access to women, I had all the money I could want, my career was going well.
I lived in New York, I was famous with fate friends with famous people, yada yada yada.
And I was like, everyone's miserable, and I am the saddest I've ever been and genuinely thinking about ending it.
And I was like, what is going on?
I have I should be the happiest I've ever been.
You know, it was a spiritual sickness.
Whereas now I am, I don't even remember what it was like to feel that way.
I I can kind of just remember the heaviness of depression and the sort of like strangeness of being sad for no reason, and the frustration at that that then begets more depression.
That then makes you want to do less, then makes you feel less understood, that then as a man makes you feel embarrassed because you're like, dude, I'm a pussy.
Well, yeah, I mean, because that's what I'm getting at is like with the removal of the clergy from hospitals and these sorts of institutions is.
I mean, if someone comes in with that sort of situation, they're saying, I'm feeling these things, they'll just say, Oh, here's some more drugs, and just yeah, it'll go away, rather than providing a spiritual solution.
I mean, we used to, I mean, like, as a father of my household, I have the right to bless my wife and children.
And so if my kids or my wife is sick, like I pray over them and you know, do the sign of the cross and pray over them.
And and like that is something that has been like really life-changing in our home.
I don't know.
I think if you're a Christian person and your wife or kids or people in your home are suffering, like pray over them, not just like in a an interior way, like for real.
Put your hand on them and be like, in the name of Jesus, like I hope I heal this person and take care of them and stuff.
At the very least, you're doing nothing but loving that person as best you can.
And at the very most, you're invoking the power of the Holy Spirit that can change people for real.
Yeah, the the Holy Father has been making in pretty wild strides towards maybe not church unification, but uh church healing.
Yeah, I feel like we might not unify the churches, but we might get to a point where the Orthodox are universally allowing us to participate in some of their sacraments.
He also recently reaffirmed uh traditionalism and the catechism in the face of of uh German bishops trying to bless couples in like a sneaky way against Francis's Pope Francis' orders.
Well, I will say, so this is completely tangent, but uh the best fried chicken I've ever had in my entire life is in Chicago, and I say that as a southerner, which is surprising.
Um and it and it's the most woke leftist restaurant you'll ever go to with the rainbow flags outside, but I go there in my collar and get the chicken because it's so amazing.
It's called honey butter fried chicken, but I found it because I asked Siri after uh a Cubs game where to go eat, and she brought me there, and and it is the platonic form of fried chicken.
See, I never I didn't know this when I was younger that uh, you know, because we in Chicago growing up, the coasts are where all the culture is.
Okay, Chicago's actually got the best food.
And there's like the the culinary schools are very famous we used to do the taste of Chicago I don't even know if they do that anymore where you buy tickets and then all the different crazy food all over the place.
The other crazy thing too is y'all don't eat hot dogs.
Yeah and then when I left Chicago it was kind of weird because when you're in Chicago you'll see a big with a hot dog on it you go other places and it's just like a diner and they'll have burgers but they won't sell hot dogs but in Chicago they do.
Also you guys don't have Jardinera because you're you're uncultured you're savages.
Yeah this has been a lot of fun it's a lot to go over I guess it's gonna be interesting because the the effect of the rise in uh church attendance and Christianity among Gen Z is largely affecting men.
I think they are going to pull the young women kicking and screaming.
Before this revival, and I think I got in at the tail beginning of the revival, sort of.
I converted, I guess it would be three years ago.
I converted two years ago, but I began my conversion a year before I was baptized.
But there were lots of women.
Getting women into church isn't the problem.
There's always lots of women for some reason.
Getting men into church is difficult.
Because, of course, the church asked some pretty wild stuff of young men.
Like, hey, no sex, no masturbation.
masturbation no none of that also hey you're gonna be called to be the leader of your family and to protect everybody and if people treat you bad suck it up and do your job and be a man and like that's hard.
That's what a man is supposed to be but my mental illness and my self-care all all of these all these guys that go online and look for like these red pill dudes who are like women are bad it's not your fault blah blah blah men are mistreated women have all the privilege and blah blah blah it's like dude guys were always the ones who would take off their jacket for the lady to walk over right guys were the ones who would lay down in the mud and crawl through the trenches to fight for what they believed in.
It was never that being a man meant you could sit on your couch get whatever you wanted and be some king without doing work.
Yeah men were always sacrificing for everybody else right but uh it's been fun gentlemen do you want to shout a say any last thoughts or whatever shout anything out no other than I appreciate the invitation to be with you today it's been fun it's nice conversation yeah where can people find you so uh I'm like I said I'm the rector of the Basilica St. Mary and Natchez um so if you look up our basilica the only thing I really have out there is uh I have my homilies there's a podcast so you they can listen to me um and I I have uh just a few articles out there but
yeah that's right background very cool um Christ is king uh you should pray if you haven't if you're a person who thinks Christianity is cringe that's fine I know what it looks like I am Christian and it feels cringe sometimes and that's cool pray anyway don't be embarrassed be a man and do it and uh I'm a comedian shane smithcomedy.com I'm on tour all over the place I have specials on dry bar angel studios Amazon YouTube wherever you got I just google face tattoo comedian
