The Culture War - Tim Pool - Death Threats Against Conservatives SKYROCKET After Charlie Kirk Assassination ft. Steven Crowder

Sept. 18, 2025 - The Culture War - Tim Pool

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Death Threats Against Conservatives SKYROCKET After Charlie Kirk Assassination ft. Steven Crowder

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unidentified		People are talking about taking that place and picking up the microphone.
		I get it.
		It's very touching.
		People need to know that there are still crosshairs on that microphone and people need to take it seriously.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		So when people say that I'm being irresponsible, I am doing the most responsible thing I can think to do in trying to right maybe some errors, mistakes on my part.
unidentified		I told people was dangerous.
		I didn't tell them the entire extent.
		And I hope people know and take it seriously.
		And the only thing that's going to curb it is for the left to be afraid to even think of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Since the assassination of Charlie Kirk, death threats have been skyrocketing across the board on every social media platform.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You are seeing lists of names be produced and they are engaging in terroristic threats.
unidentified		It is borderline overt.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I say borderline because what I call tweedle dee tweedled dumb threats, where one person says, I think more conservatives should die.
unidentified		Someone then says, here's a list of the people that should die.
		And none of them is creating the imminent threat, but together it forms an imminent threat.
		So the question now is, how do we deal with this?
		And no, it's not just fringe far leftists.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Take a look at this from the post-millennial.
unidentified		Local Democratic Party in Washington deletes post mocking assassination of Charlie Kirk.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is overt.
unidentified		It is obvious.
unidentified		It is happening across the board.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's affecting everybody.
unidentified		So to get a better sense of what's going on, we are being joined by the man himself, Steven Crowder, to give us an understanding of what his perspective is, what's been happening to him.
		I've obviously talked a lot about what we are going through here: security assessments, increased security.
		It's getting crazy.
		How's it going, Steven Crowder?
		How are you doing?
		Well, I appreciate thanks for the intro.
		Here's the thing: I wouldn't even necessarily say that it's different.
		And that's what I think is so bothersome: we have lived under this cloud for very, very long.
		Anytime we show up, anytime, you know, when I've talked about this and Charlie said it as an inspiration, he took it to a different level.
		You know, changed my mind was an idea to challenge the left in 2016 on the idea of civil dialogue.
		Like, we'll just, we'll do it.
		It won't be cable news.
		It won't be edited.
		And it became increasingly violent.
		I mean, I've had, so to give you an idea, and the left always says, oh, you're fine.
		You're okay.
		I had a trans, and if this is on YouTube, I had a trans individual scream at me and then steal a homeless man's lunchbox pencil case, whip it at me from a blind spot.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I've had someone try to bash me over the head with a rock.
unidentified		I've had attempts with concrete milkshakes, slash tires, calls to firebomb the car, attempts on my life, actually a terrorist.
		And I haven't talked about this until now.
		And you know this because the real threats, you don't want copycats.
		Yep.
		Terrorists from Yemen by way of Sweden posting the address, my family's work address, the route to between the addresses.
		And I can only, my life is likely saved because a fan saw it posted on YouTube in a comment and cross-referenced the zip code with East Grand Rapids PD and they showed up at my house.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		This has been going on for a very long time.
unidentified		When I performed, when I did a change my mind at SMU, the man in charge of the police there asked my father, he said, why does he need this kind of security?
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Maya Angelou was here however many years ago, she didn't need it.
unidentified		And my dad turned to him and said, why do you think that is?
		Yeah.
		And you could see the lights turn on.
		I hope, and to be clear, because I know I've made some waves by advocating violence.
		I am.
		Not even political violence.
		I'm advocating for lawful violence, protection of you and your own, where grace has been afforded before.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		What I mean is, if you were in a restaurant, if you were at your school recital for your kids and someone came up and was throwing a milkshake at you, or you don't know if it's strawberry, chocolate, vanilla acid, or concrete, you'd beat their ass.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		We haven't because we've been taking the high road.
unidentified		And so it's been open season.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		We are being hunted.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Charlie Kirk was hunted.
unidentified		Let's be very clear about that.
		And what you're seeing, Tim, you know this.
		And everyone behind this is afraid because I get it.
		No one wants to, you don't want to make it about yourself, but I know what you've been through.
		I know what you've been through, and I know that you know, people are just seeing the one that got through.
		And when you block and you block and you block and you block all of these other assaults, all of these other attempts, people say, well, you're fine.
		You're a big guy, right?
		No, that stops now.
		I want the left.
		I want Destiny to be able to do his copycat change my mind thing with no security, as he has done.
		I hope that they can continue to speak freely with very little security for the rest of their lives.
		I want the left to be deathly afraid of showing up to ours and even thinking about being violently disruptive.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I hope that I've been crystal clear.
unidentified		And if people have a problem with it, I will answer for anything I've said.
unidentified		You know, I hear what you're saying.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What people don't understand is it's like you said, only the one that gets through is what people hear about.
unidentified		I cannot begin to list out all of the instances we've had or the death threats that we get because it creates security issues.
		So we've had, I have had dealt with local police, criminal prosecutions, lawsuits.
		I have had people who have committed crimes against us threaten legal action, which threatens the lives of other people.
		I can't get into great details on this.
		I know, I get it.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		That's the problem, right?
unidentified		You can't.
		And so the left goes, oh, Tim Poole, little drama bitch, or whatever they say.
		And I didn't mean to be so rough on you.
		I'm trying to, you know, I'm trying to steel man them.
		And drama bitch is probably about as good as they can do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy how trying to keep this as vague as I can for obvious security reasons.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One threat that we had that manifested in physical action when we tried to get it dealt with, the legal response threatened the life of a third party public personality.
unidentified		And so our lawyer is basically like, you can fight this and win, and then they will use that against you to target the third party.
		Right.
		Or you can choose to back off, stop the fight.
		They were effectively, it was like blackmail.
		And I, and I, and, and for security reasons, I can't even begin to describe what exactly was going on or how it would play out because that would open the door and create the threats.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's, it's insane.
		We had a man in a dress show up at our old location and physically attack one of the residents.
		We're not there anymore.
unidentified		We're not, we're not there.
		And plus, it's gross.
		Yeah.
		But so apparently this guy shows up in a dress, and I'm not saying trans person.
		This is, this is a clear distinction.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was literally just a man in a dress and was walking around on our old property filming.
unidentified		And I got informed by our security that this was occurring.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The next day, one of the people who lived there, because again, we don't operate there anymore, was physically attacked by this man.
unidentified		And it became a huge issue.
unidentified		The locals are all really pissed off because I'm not, you know, they were mad when I was there because of the threats, the swattings, the bomb threats.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We had the bomb squad come several times.
unidentified		And now I'm gone and it's still happening because these people have still published our old address acting like it's real.
		If I list out all of the things that we had to deal with, one recent incident this past weekend, just days after Charlie Kirk's assassination, I think the unfortunate reality is we can't convey the true extent of how dangerous the left is because it increases the danger to us.
		But as you've already pointed out, then people don't know just how serious it is.
		Well, that's what, I mean, you know, there have been a lot of mixed emotions.
		And I'm not talking about, no, I've been really clear too, because I feel like there's a lot of clout chasing out there, people saying, me and Charlie Kirk were best friends.
		I said, Charlie Kirk and I were not close friends.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		We were colleagues.
unidentified		I had respect for his testicular fortitude, as all of us did, and we were cordial.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
unidentified		So I don't want to claim that I speak for him.
unidentified		And I don't want to claim that I know what his family thinks because people will throw that back.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		A lot of other people are doing that.
unidentified		But I will say this.
		I guarantee you he was scared.
		He was brave.
		He wasn't fearless.
		He was brave.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		He knew.
unidentified		And I was angry at first because I watched it and I go, like, we stopped doing Change My Mind a while ago because of the security risk, right?
		I'm going, no, you don't announce it beforehand.
		I go like, ah, the speaker, the balconies, like these are part of a protocol that we had.
		And then it came to, look, I mean, why didn't I pick up a phone?
		You know, I've been through that.
		And the truth is, I did this initially, and I know about all the security threats.
		And like you said, because I didn't want copycats, I would tell people I had some close calls.
		And I see kids going out there, and I get it.
		And the alternative is silence, and we cannot be terrorized into silence.
		But I want people to know, and I should have been clearer about it, that out there is the real world.
		And in the real world, there are psychos.
		And if I would have told people the violence then that they face, that the left wants you dead, they will take your life.
		And if they are unsuccessful, they will take your name.
		Maybe we could have had a different outcome.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, but I do know this.
unidentified		If someone is going to try and, people are talking about taking that place and picking up the microphone.
		I get it.
		It's very touching.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		People need to know that there are still crosshairs on that microphone and people need to take it seriously.
unidentified		So when people say that I'm being irresponsible, I am doing the most responsible thing I can think to do in trying to right maybe some errors, mistakes on my part.
unidentified		I told people was dangerous.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I didn't tell them the entire extent.
unidentified		And I hope people know and take it seriously.
		And the only thing that's going to curb it is for the left to be afraid to even think of it.
		We've afforded them grace where they do not deserve it.
		And I make no apologies for this.
		I'm not calling for a civil war.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I'm not calling for people to go out and violently disrupt the left in any way.
unidentified		And here's the thing.
		No one is afraid of that.
		Do you know how I know?
		Because they desecrate the memorials and spit at the vigils right now.
		They still do it with no fear.
		Impunity.
		No fear with complete impunity.
		And that has to stop.
		And the big difference have said this between 2008, me on YouTube, 2012, me, 2015, me.
		Charlie Kirk and me, is this team of people?
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		We've said our money, we'll hurt you.
unidentified		We will.
		And that has to happen.
		And I hope I see more guys out there willing to protect, not be violent offensively, protect our own because we haven't.
		Lawful self-defense.
		And this is a good point you bring up because there's a viral video.
		I commented on it where it showed all these instances where people on the right had gone to rallies and got attacked and they never defend themselves.
		It was very rare.
		There was like based stick man back in, you know, what, 2018 or whatever.
		The one time a right winger start after the left came and attacked a peaceful rally, they defended themselves.
		So I, I, I, and agree, look at this.
		It is still you and I talking about the restraint we need to have, how we don't want an escalation of violence, but we have to be prepared when they engage in violence against us for legal, lawful self-defense to stop that from happening.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I want to say something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You just said there are psychos out there.
unidentified		And here's where it's truly scary.
unidentified		I've long said, maybe even six months ago, I'm not scared of Antifa.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't fear leftists.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They make these threats online.
unidentified		We take them seriously.
		But I'm more worried about the lunatic who thinks I stole all of his spoons and have hid them in my basement.
		Because some of the most egregious.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		You don't have entirely clean hands on that one.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		We know that you collect spoons, Tim.
unidentified		No, well, it's Seamus Coglin, but that's a whole other story.
unidentified		So I've had psychopaths.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A lot of the most serious threats that we get that we forward to the FBI and things like that are just lunatics saying things that make no sense, but are serious threats.
unidentified		This changes now.
unidentified		And while I always consider the left to be a very serious threat, and we have security because of the left, Charlie Kirk didn't even believe that this was possible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If Charlie Kirk thought by stepping out into that tent, he would take a bullet, he wouldn't have done it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We thought security was good enough.
unidentified		It's not going to happen.
		And it did.
		And I'll tell you where the real fear comes now.
		I have friends on Facebook that I have known for decades since I was a child.
		I have gone to holiday dinners with them.
		Let me guess.
		Hold on before you tell me this, okay?
		because I just had this conversation three times this week.
		All right, let's see if I'm clairvoyant.
		Let me guess.
		Shocked at the gleeful celebration or condoning of the assassination and you're no longer friends.
		Am I close?
		You are.
		You are.
		You hit the nail on the head.
		I have seen posts that have argued Trump killed Charlie Kirk to justify an expansion of the security state from people I know who know that Charlie and I were friends.
		And I heard what you said about you're not close friends.
		I would also like to.
		make sure I clarify this too.
		It's a weird thing, right?
		I knew Charlie.
		I had his phone number.
		We texted.
		We didn't go out for beers or go golfing or anything, but I didn't consider him just to be a work colleague because of the support that he had offered me.
		I considered it to be a friend.
		And there are many people that I don't hang out with I consider to be friends, but I don't want people to think that we were like, you know, bar buddies or anything like that.
		You were closer with him than I was.
		And I just want to be clear about that because I know that people go, do you think this is what Charlie would have wanted?
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
unidentified		He's dead.
		I don't know.
		He's dead.
		He can't speak.
		And he's dead because he sat down at a table and allowed anyone who would speak or listen to have a conversation.
		And very few people know what it's like to be in that chair.
		I do.
		I know what it feels like.
		I know when you're surrounded.
		I know the kind of balls it took for Charlie Kirk to do.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		He is dead.
unidentified		And so when people say, tone down the temperature, well, hot, oh, you know what?
		Let's host a vigil.
		Well, I can't do that.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		You get a text.
unidentified		You know what?
		Let's host an event.
		Can't do that.
		Let's do a tour.
		Can't do that.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		So what they really mean is silence.
unidentified		Yep.
		Or do you really, or how much do you want your kids to have a father?
		It is terrorism.
		One thing I would say, I don't, and I'm not saying this to disagree with you.
		I don't know if Charlie Kirk did know or didn't think it was possible.
		Dear God, I hope that he knew it was possible because I very much did.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we had some, which I'll talk about probably more off-air, some serious close calls where every time I've been out in public, I've known that it's a very serious possibility.
unidentified		And I know that he knew risk.
		So whether he thought he would pay with his life to a terrorist, I don't know, but I know he went out there and did it anyway, assuming some risk.
		And the left doesn't do that.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		They don't have to.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		It only comes from the left.
unidentified		I agree with you on that.
		And what I mean to say is we all think it's possible.
		But my point is, if Charlie Kirk knew at that moment walking out meant there was a guy waiting to kill him, he wouldn't have done it.
		No one is going to walk into death intentionally for no reason.
		We all assume the risk.
		That's why Charlie had security, because of course it's a possibility.
		What's scary now is when run of the mill default libs, we call them, are posting justification, lying about Charlie Kirk, or saying other people deserve it too.
		I'm sitting here looking at these posts from people that I've known my whole life.
		And I messaged one friend saying, you realize that the guy was a friend of mine that for three years, we would go out and visit.
		We would do this show with him and he would sit with us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's been on the show several times.
unidentified		No response.
		They've cut me off.
		And that to see other people, my whole feed is filled with every liberal being like, other people deserve what's coming.
		And that's when I realized the fear we have now and the increase in death threats and the increase in security, a line has been crossed and it didn't, you know, I was asked the other night, one of our members in the calling show, do you think this will wake the left up and they'll calm down?
		We've already seen the inverse.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a green light for them.
unidentified		Yes.
		Let me tell you, there would have been one acceptable response from the left and only one.
		Would have been, okay, all right, guys, guys, this one's on us.
		We called you fascists.
		We called you Nazis.
		And we know, right?
		You don't deal with fascists at the ballot box.
		You can't.
		So we box people into violence.
		Hey, guys, this one's on us.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		We presented every single view from those on the right as violence.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		If they were pro-life, it was violence against women.
unidentified		If they were pro-Second Amendment, it was violence because how many lives do you want to save, right?
		Gun violence.
		If it was pro-First Amendment, they were inciting violence.
		If they were anti-Black Lives Matter, they were pro-police killing black violence.
		And at the end of this, if they're silent, it's also violence.
		So when every single one of our positions has been presented as violence that cannot be dealt with democratically, it is a logical conclusion from the mentally ill that we are living.
		And that is a useful tool to the left.
		And I remember too, I mean, when you were coming in, I don't want to mislabel you, but more moderate than me.
		I think that's fair to say.
		We're having conversations saying, man, these guys will kill you.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		You're not their friend anymore.
unidentified		I don't think you understand because I was raised in it.
unidentified		I've known two conservatives my entire life from my childhood, socialist province.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		One of them still works for me right now.
unidentified		I then spent time in comedy clubs in Hollywood.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I was only surrounded by the left.
unidentified		As a matter of fact, it took me a while to kind of understand the Fox News audience.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I was there for four years.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I was a conservative.
unidentified		I didn't run in those circles.
unidentified		I know how the left operates.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		That would have been the only acceptable response.
		Instead, they said, hey, both sides, that's verifiably untrue.
		They said, actually, this shooter is a Trump, is a Trump supporter.
unidentified		Remember, we had that DOJ leak.
		People said I lied.
		People said I was lying, right?
		They said the same thing about the Nashville Manifesto, by the way.
		It was a lie until it was a liability.
		And then the mayor, the police, and the FBI said they would investigate and sue me.
		By the way, that's one of the few instances of political violence on the left.
		And Cato put a note saying, just note, we did include Covenant High School, even though it's considered borderline because the PD said it's not ideologically motivated.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		We were right.
unidentified		And one thing, just one thing.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		When we released that, that, well, two points here.
unidentified		The reason we got that leak from an inside source, right, the, whenever it was, within 24 hours of the shooting, because someone at that department was concerned that it would be buried because he had seen things like this buried before.
		Here's the most important part.
		Bullet engravings, antifasings, transferry stuff.
		The shooter's still out there.
		And so's Charlie Kirk's family.
		So's the Kirk family.
		So are you.
		So are my entire team.
		And we're on the menu.
		And the left was more concerned with tarring and feathering my name, your name, than keeping people safe.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		They lied and then they tried to blame it on the people who are the victim of the violence.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		They'll never get this right, ever, ever.
unidentified		We are not going to hold hands.
		I am not going to unify with the left or the spineless right.
		I do not count them amongst us anymore.
		And I think we need a change in approach.
		I speak for myself.
		So there's the obvious question of where that path leads us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I'm going to say it like this, because everybody who watches me knows that we talk about civil war periodically, but more frequently than others.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I certainly get the memes, but we don't talk about it that much, but it does come up quite a bit.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And I'm taking credit for my predictions being correct in many ways, though we haven't reached the full fruition.
		And the example that I've given is in September of 2020, I said on this show and on Tim Kest IRL that if Trump loses in November, his supporters, they're going to go to D.C. They're going to storm into the White House.
		They will not accept this defeat.
		November came and went.
		I was called paranoid, crazy, rage baiter, pessimist, blackpilled by some on the right, all of the left.
		They mocked me.
		January 6th happened, and all of a sudden the liberals' narrative changed.
		It wasn't that I was crazy for suggesting it, even though it wasn't the White House and it wasn't November.
		They said Tim Poole had foreknowledge of January 6th and that statement proved it.
		And so what I have described last year, during the election, before the election, I said, I was debating San Cedar.
		I said, do you think Trump's going to use the military for immigration enforcement?
		And he goes, yes.
		And I said, and are you going to let him?
		And his response was wishy-washy, kind of like, well, liberals might actually do it, but maybe not.
		And I said, my fear is that the president is going to call the National Guard as it pertains to immigration enforcement.
		There will be a confrontation between state leadership as to who controls the National Guard.
		It'll go to the courts and there will be a fight over who's actually in charge and this will create a rift.
		Then escalation.
		We are in this period now.
		They have assassinated Charlie Kirk.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The escalation keeps happening.
unidentified		And everything that I've stated in some way, it's been relatively vague, but has been manifesting.
unidentified		And that terrifies me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So when we say now, it's not about whether we will or won't unify.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The reality is you can't unify.
unidentified		There is no reality where I've already tried talking to some of my friends saying, hey, please don't say this and justify this.
		They're saying they want to kill me.
		And they're like, we don't care.
		They're cut off.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, they're not responding to me anymore.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're posting.
unidentified		There's one individual, some people in Hollywood that I know, actors and actresses, who have posted Charlie deserved it.
unidentified		Here's why.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then they've posted fake quotes about it.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		The mainstream liberals are justifying the death.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jimmy Kimmel did it.
unidentified		The rhetoric is not toning down.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And there are two distinct moral worldviews right now.
unidentified		And you cannot convince a liberal that what they have said about Charlie is a lie.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They don't care.
unidentified		So the future seems kind of obvious.
unidentified		One plus one equals two.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure if you agree or not.
unidentified		I don't, I don't know.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you this.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		It's not what I'm advocating.
unidentified		What I'm advocating, hey, is the intermediate step, which is they show up and they do what they've done.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		They behave the way that they have.
unidentified		You could pay with your life.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I want every leftist out there right now to know that this is as close as you ever get to me or my friends as a trophy again.
unidentified		We'll hurt you.
		We'll kill you if you show up and you're violent and we have to defend ourselves.
		We haven't.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		We will use lawful defense where appropriate and grace has been afforded before.
unidentified		We just showed the clip today.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Remember them kicking down the White House?
unidentified		Let me give you not even a hypothetical.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Kicking down the White House barricades.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Remember, they burned down the church across the street.
unidentified		They set it on fire.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		There were people.
unidentified		Yeah, there are people shouting that we're going to kill Donald Trump, right?
		Right?
		Like Beauty and the Beast.
		And then they called him Bunker Don.
		Would anyone be upset if instead of a rubber bullet, one of them caught some real lead?
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Because you said you were going to kill the president and you were kicking down barricades.
unidentified		And we use rubber bullets.
		That should stop.
		That should stop if you're saying you're going to kill the president.
		If someone is going out saying, hey, I am going to firebomb your car and coming up with a Molotov cocktail, guess what?
		You deal with it appropriately.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		So I am advocating right now the same reason that we advocate concealed carry.
		The left needs to fear ramifications.
		If they behave like us, the left, in other words, if you come to, well, there's a change of mind, a stand-up show, and you behave the way we behave, guess what?
unidentified		You'll be treated the way we are all treated.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		If you behave the way that conservatives never behave toward the left, which is unlawful, criminal, violent, let's start with this.
unidentified		Let's make it sting.
unidentified		Let's make it hurt.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Let's make it known that they don't get off scot-free anymore.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		And here's the worst part, Tim.
unidentified		They're going to try and equivocate.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		It only comes from the left.
unidentified		It only comes from the left.
unidentified		I've challenged people, show me one, one Charlie Kirk on the left, not an elected official.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Show me one instance where someone was assassinated as an act of terrorism in front of their family, merely for opinions, and then gleefully celebrated thereafter.
unidentified		You won't find it.
unidentified		They'll try and go to Minnesota.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		That guy, by the way, wasn't some Trump maniac.
unidentified		He blamed Tim Walz.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		He was out of his mind.
		It's the closest thing they can come to when something Mike Lee said on Twitter.
		I don't give a shit.
unidentified		I don't give a shit.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		It's not even close.
unidentified		And now they come out and say, actually, most of the violence comes from the right wing.
		I could prove to you that's not true.
		It's fake.
		You know what?
		It's completely.
		It's completely fake.
		I pull up the ADL heat map all the time because it says white supremacy, anti-government, and quote, other are all right-wing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They have three categories of right-wing.
unidentified		That way they can make a fake list that blames run-of-the-mill conservatives for what some psychotic sovereign citizen does.
unidentified		It's even worse.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		It's even worse.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Can I give you a very specific example?
unidentified		Because I know you'll remember this.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if you can pull up the clip.
unidentified		Okay, and I'll get through the methodology and why it's all corrupted, but this is all you need to know, folks.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Remember that man in Portland?
		His name was Aaron Danielson.
		He was shot dead point blank by an Antifa member.
unidentified		The guy's name was Michael Reinhall, I believe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		And he said, we got a Trump supporter, bang, bang, dead on camera, killed him.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		That was not registered as political violence according to the recent economist numbers, which by the way, also have no left-wing political violence the entire summer of 2020.
unidentified		So that's enough.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		If that is not counted, then all of it is bullshit.
unidentified		Throw it all out.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Now, there are other factors that are important.
		For example, pretty much any white on minority crime is considered to be violence labeled right.
		Minority versus another minority or minority versus white is not.
		Any crime against government officials or halls of government is considered right-wing violence, including in some instances where it's members of Antifa committing the crime.
		But you don't need to know anything else.
		Trump supporter here, bang, bang, not political violence.
unidentified		Those are the numbers being circulated.
unidentified		Yeah, I made a graph earlier where I took the, it's like 13 major cities and then said break down all the violent crime incidents in 2023, which is usually the more accurate data by political party control and preference.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And guess what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's 95% Democrat.
unidentified		So when we're actually talking about the risks of political violence, it is not a MAGA Trump supporter going up and shooting people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The best thing they can do is say like a white supremacist prison gang got into a fight and that's right-wing extremism.
unidentified		Yeah, but no one's talking.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're asking the question is, Charlie Kirk, does he have anything to do with white supremacy?
		No, in fact, he advocated against it.
		So they lie.
unidentified		However, the assassin of Charlie Kirk's worldview was mainstream Democrat.
		Gender ideology.
		That was the principal motivating factor according to law enforcement, it appears.
		And that is any, you take any Democrat who claims to be a moderate and they will support that ideology.
		You take a white supremacist murder and you will find every single Republican 100% condemning it.
		Yeah.
		Well, not to mention that people don't realize this, that neo-Nazis are often still socialists.
		That's one thing people don't realize.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		They think they can make all the social programs work if just not for the blacks and browns and Jews.
unidentified		Like people don't realize they actually supported the socialist part of the Nazi name as well.
unidentified		So anything that is white supremacy, they just label as right-wing.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Let me give you some examples of other ones that are not included, by the way.
		It depends on whether you're using Cato or you're using The Economist.
		I'll sort of dismiss the NIJ one because it was removed.
		The left is saying it's removed because it proved their point.
unidentified		But the truth is it was removed because it was commissioned under a Biden administration and clearly was riddled with inaccurate forms of methodology.
unidentified		Not considered either terrorism or political violence, depending on which one we're using.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Not a single one of what the crimes committed in George Floyd's name, you know, where you had over 20 killed, over 2 billion in damages within the first few months.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Daryl Brooks, Waukesha, killed six, injured 70, not included.
unidentified		Again, that Portland shooting, none of these are, you have to throw all of it out.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		It is coming from the left.
unidentified		And here's how you know, you can believe your lying eyes and ears.
		That's the empirical.
		The anecdotal is they're showing up and spitting at the vigils and pantomiming a man dying in front of his children.
		It's not just that professors are showing students a snuff film to create a generation of psychopaths, by the way.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		That's how you desensitize them, right?
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		It's that the professors have lived in an echo chamber for so long, they didn't even see it coming.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		They didn't even understand that people might go, oh, wait, my teacher said good aim to a man who assassinated a father in front of his children.
unidentified		It didn't even cross their mind.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		That's how consequence-free their lives have been.
unidentified		And now the left tries to do the jiu-jitsu gaslighting, cancel culture.
unidentified		No, Jimmy Kimmel deserved to be fired.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		It is not an example of cancel culture, and I don't give a shit.
unidentified		I don't care anymore.
		I want to fight.
		I hate the evil that inspires these people.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I don't like them.
unidentified		I have plenty of friends.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I could use a few enemies.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I want to make examples of anyone out there who wants to make an example of us.
unidentified		And here's the thing.
unidentified		Hey, equal footing.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I've said this to the left.
unidentified		You treat our violent guys who show up to your change my minds and prove me wrongs.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		You treat our guys the same way we treat yours.
unidentified		Bet you, you know, that's not an equitable trade, right?
unidentified		They know exactly why.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		They know exactly why.
unidentified		What this is, is I guess it's kind of scary to say, but the conversation is over.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		For the past 10 years, we have seen, or longer, we've seen the far left.
unidentified		I mean, I could say since going back to Occupy, the far left has gone out and been violent and even they use, I would say for a while, low ground, I call it blunt terrorism.
		And that is when an antifa guy shows up to a peaceful rally and punches someone in the face, it's not national news.
		No one cares, but it is terror and it does make people think twice about doing these events.
		They've now crossed the line into a direct assassination of a high-profile political figure and celebrated it.
		I don't know what argument there is to be had when they're lying about Charlie Kirk, justifying his murder and defending those who would call for mine.
		And they have the nerve to say, my God, the fascism, oh no, Jimmy Kimmel got fired while they previously celebrated Roseanne and Tucker Carlson and Charlie Kirk was just killed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They are more upset that their comedian with some of the worst ratings in all of media, Jimmy Kimmel was getting 200,000 in the key demo.
unidentified		And they're saying, this is the worst thing's ever happened to us while Charlie Kirk, his family is still mourning his assassination.
		I don't even know how to have a conversation with someone like that to explain to them, we may disagree, but let's live together.
		They've said no.
		And I don't know where this goes other than escalation, which worries me.
		Yeah.
		Well, it doesn't worry me because we're in it.
		We're in it.
		That's true.
		And I'd rather know that we're in a fight.
		And that's why I'm telling people, that's why I'm sounding the alarm because I know and you know because we've been in it and Charlie knew and a lot of the public doesn't.
		They think, gee golly, it's trolling.
		And they didn't just answer softly, the left, meaning like, yeah, they kind of tacitly, no, they answered forced.
		Look, let me ask you this.
		YouGov, bastion of conservatism?
		Of course not, right?
		I want you to close your eyes for a second and picture a fascist.
		Picture a fascist party, a totalitarian, you know, Nazis or it could be under Stalin, whoever, Pinochet.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you, are you picturing 77% of them saying that political violence is never acceptable?
unidentified		Because only Republicans answered that in this country to youGov versus 38% of Democrats.
unidentified		That means significantly more than half of Democrats answered either completely acceptable to somewhat acceptable or I don't know.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Guess what?
unidentified		I don't want to be friends with, I don't know, you're a piece of shit.
		I'm going to treat you like a piece of shit.
		You're not my friend.
		And you killed one of them.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		That's where we are.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I'm tired of this bullshit.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		We have been in a fight and this, gee golly, can't we all get along?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		No, we cannot.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		These people want you dead.
unidentified		And if they can't, they can't take your life.
		They'll take your name.
		They tried to take the ladder for me.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I don't care anymore.
unidentified		I just don't care.
		It just doesn't matter.
		We're not going to play the both sides bullshit.
		And I'll tell you this.
		Yeah.
		Sorry.
		And I'm not yelling at you.
		No, no, no, no.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Just to be clear.
unidentified		It's just flattery, if I can say that on your show.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I just like, the fact that we've been having this.
unidentified		No, no, no.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		No, you guys answered the left.
unidentified		You guys answered political violence is somewhat acceptable.
unidentified		Okay, great.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I am saying that lawful violence in response to what you've stated is completely acceptable.
unidentified		If that makes me an extremist, great.
		They have argued they have the right to self-defense because your words are violence.
		And I think it's fair to say we have a right to defend ourselves when you're assassinating our friends and political leaders or every degree of violence they've engaged in, from showing up and beating people to throwing firebombs to giving out Molotov cocktails.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We can't live this way.
unidentified		And I see all these posts from people on the left being like, don't you care about free speech?
		And I'm like, bro, you lost the goodwill from us when you took ours several years ago.
		Your words mean nothing.
		You've celebrated murder.
		You've celebrated violence.
		You've mocked us as we were being attacked.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I have no interest in talking to you or even trying to argue this point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I am just going to mock you for the world you created and try to keep myself, my friends, and my family safe.
unidentified		And I'm going to say this last thing.
		I don't get threats from gripers.
		I don't get threats from a far right or pro-Israel or anti-Israel.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Jews, Ze Germans, none of them are threatening me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is leftists.
unidentified		Every death threat, every close call, every strange incident that we have to deal with, a man in a dress is a great example.
		It is always someone on the left doing it to us.
		So if you are going to justify Charlie's death or dance on his grave, I am never, never going to defend anything you have to complain about.
		But I do want to ask you.
		Can I say one thing?
		One thing about Jimmy Kimmel?
		I really, you know, the comic committee appreciates the art of distillation because the left is trying to go, see, you're the party of cancel culture.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		First off, shut the fuck up.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Second, let me make this really clear.
unidentified		Okay, we've always had the bounds of society where we deemed something unacceptable and you were not to live amongst us because it was such a violation of decorum.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Cancel culture is a shifting of the Overton window.
unidentified		It's like someone walking backwards laying down landmines.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Let me put this in two phrases.
unidentified		1963, JFK is killed.
		Do you think if that day a professor showed the film to his students and said, yeah, I'm glad that the bits of his brain landed on his bitch's jacket, do you think he would be fired?
		Of course.
		Now, let me ask you, 63, same day, if he said to his classroom, men are biologically different from women, would he be fired?
		No.
		There you go.
		You understand cancel culture.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Let's move on.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		We're adults.
unidentified		It is getting really, really strange.
		So I'm just curious.
		I have to, what I had stated to Variety when they interviewed me on this one is it's not so much that it's an increase in the threats.
		It is, it is.
		It's just making more real what we already knew.
		I was talking to a veteran who had him on the show on IRL.
		And he said, you know, when we were in combat in say Afghanistan, you feel the threat when you go out there, but after a couple of weeks, you start to become complacent.
		Maybe you don't look around the corners anymore.
		And that's when the ID goes off or you get shot at.
		And I feel like that's what this is really exposed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So my last question is, I'm curious, how has it been for you guys?
unidentified		Have you had any alerts, close calls, and an increase in, let's just call it weird instances or threats?
		Yes.
		No, are we going?
		I thought we were going for an hour, right?
		Or no?
		We could if you want.
		Okay, yeah, I'm fine doing it.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I just said, I didn't want you to think I, I know, initially said 30 to an hour.
		I told him to say, I'm good for now, but whatever you want.
		Obviously, you can boot me.
unidentified		Yeah.
		You know, here's the thing too.
		I went through, you know, some very public legal battles and I had, I'll use the term, spineless conservatives dox the house where I and my children sleep to Antifa.
		I think you kind of covered some of this without getting into detail.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		So that's been ongoing and it's a, your life is forever changed, right?
unidentified		Everything you do always has to be done very prudently without exception.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		You have to be perfect because what the left sees, what the world sees, I should say, is what gets through.
unidentified		Guarantee you for what you saw happen, the absolute atrocity, tragedy, the cold-blooded assassination as an act of terrorism against Charlie Kirk was one of dozens that got through.
unidentified		And there's a difference between drama, oh, someone say they want to kill me.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Okay, get in line.
unidentified		And real ones, you know, I would say that they're still pretty steady.
		But again, I, you know, I'll tell you, this is a personal thing.
		My My lady, my girlfriend, for quite a while now, she's a fiery Latina.
		When she met me, I kind of have a reputation of being a hermit, a little bit of a recluse.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I'm a homebody, but I was getting a lot of threats at one point.
unidentified		When she met me, I was largely kind of staying at home and being careful.
		So I would just tell her I had some close calls.
		On our show, she saw a highlight reel of everything from me getting punched in the face, horse collared, people attempting to firebomb, throwing all this stuff.
		And she has been.
		Now to the uninitiated, what someone would view as paranoid.
		Or she said, I didn't know all.
		I didn't know how I only see the positive interactions.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		You know, we go somewhere.
unidentified		And I said, yeah, so maybe now you understand why sometimes I'm a little, a little tense.
		And she, I hate this, but she's getting a taste of it because I wanted to protect her from it.
		And you can't.
		That's the real issue too.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		That's really tough as a man.
		It's like you can't protect those around you from these animals.
		So the closest thing I can think of is a tone shift.
		I want the left to be scared.
		I want it to hurt when they try and hurt ours.
		I'm not even advocating political violence.
unidentified		I'm advocating for the first time conservatives to exercise their right to lawful violence.
		And we need to see this across the board because the systems, I mean.
		You're advocating self-defense.
		Yeah, but we haven't been doing it.
		I know.
		I watched these videos where conservatives get punched in the head.
		When Andy No was being mercilessly beaten, he didn't fight back.
		He just kept going as they beat him and beat him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Someone like the beatings won't stop until you defend yourself.
unidentified		And that is why we are legally allowed to defend ourselves to stop them from injuring us, from hurting us.
		And I think the sad reality is conservatives just kept turning the other cheek.
		Yeah.
		They didn't want the escalation.
		And you know what's fascinating too is the really great, the horrifying example is the Proud Boys in New York.
		When the far left was attacking patrons of this speaking event with Gavin McGinnis, Proud Boys came out.
		Antifa was taunting and throwing things.
		The Proud Boys engaged them.
		A fight broke out.
		I'd call that mutual combat.
		Although, to be fair, Antifa went to their event and instigated it.
		But fine, let's call it mutual.
		When the police showed up, the Proud Boys with smiles on their faces thanked the police and gave all their information over.
		And Antifa said, F the police and ran.
		And then with the information on the Proud Boys, the city government said, lock them up.
		And they got four years in prison despite being the ones aggressed upon.
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is conservatives have largely been avoiding this because we know that if you tried to defend yourself, the law was coming for you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They would lock you up and let Antifa go.
unidentified		Now, Trump is saying Antifa is a terror organization and we're not playing that game anymore and they're crying about it.
		Absolutely.
		And let me send this message to everyone out there.
		Look, Kyle Rittenhouse shouldn't have been treated with anything other than good shooting and a pat in the back from the judge.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		The guy had already shot at him and was aiming a gun at him and he shot his bicep in a John Wick move.
unidentified		Okay.
		This is what you're talking about, the Proud Boys right there.
		Exactly.
		These people, Daniel Penny, they shouldn't be alone.
		And like you said, the law will be against you.
		But hey, to everyone listening right now, again, lawfully defending yourself, understand this.
		They can't catch you all.
		They can't arrest you all.
		They can't prosecute you all because people have woken up right now.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		They know the enemy that we are facing.
unidentified		It is within.
		And if they see the selective prosecution, people are going to know.
		That's what the left has used, right?
		They falsely claim victim.
		Conservatives have actually been the victim of institutionalized discrimination.
		Let me give you an example.
		And I can't take credit for this.
		The investigative unit here, they're seven to nine.
		The best that's ever done it.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		The most consequential that's ever done it.
unidentified		I can't even tell you their names because I'm not allowed to.
		With the Covenant School shooting, right?
		What happened is we got that manifesto.
		And now it's included in the Cato stats.
		It would not have been.
		Think about that for a second.
		Yep.
		We got it.
		They accused us of lying.
		They said this isn't legitimate.
		Then they said it's legitimate, but it'll hurt the family.
		And they still maintain there was no ideological motivation.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		They still protested to Cato.
unidentified		What about the ones that we don't catch?
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Think about that.
unidentified		The numbers are already.
		What about the ones that we don't catch?
		Why is Cato lying?
		What's that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why is Cato lying?
unidentified		Well, Cato said they included it.
unidentified		They said we included it, but it's Audrey Hill Covenant is borderline because I believe they said the police claim that it's not.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		So we opted to include it, but just know.
unidentified		Well, what about that is borderline?
unidentified		And what about a man being shot point blank because he, how do I know he was murdered?
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Because we saw him murdered.
unidentified		How do I know he was murdered because he was a Trump supporter?
		Because the guy who murdered him said it's because he's a Trump supporter.
		And it's not political violence.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		It's like a nightmare where you're trying to scream and no one can hear you.
unidentified		So stop screaming and start protecting yourself.
		I think we should include all, you know, in Chicago, you've got a lot of violent crime among the young black men.
		They're the majority of the murderers.
		That's all left as far as I'm concerned.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to play the same game they do.
		I'm going to make an institution, which is a meaningless term.
		I'm going to create a nonprofit.
unidentified		I'm going to call it an institution.
		And then I'm going to get some doctors who have like the stupidest doctorate degree so I can have doctor whoever.
		Then we're going to take every gang shooting and say, because liberals released them from prison, this is leftist violence because it's in line with their worldview.
		And then take a look at what those charts are going to show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's going to, there's going to be such a small sliver of right wing, we may as well not even include it.
unidentified		In fact, we won't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll say the right was so low compared to leftist violence that it was a rounding error we decided not to include.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		You know what?
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I think that's completely fair.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I can tell you exactly why.
unidentified		Let me give you, and I have this written down here.
unidentified		Billy Davis, according to these charts that are circulating right now, this is a white woman who stabbed an Asian woman on a bus in 2024, Bloomington, Indiana.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		It was listed on the database there.
		The TPP database is what they use.
		It was listed as right identity focused because she was white.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Let's compare that to Brandon Elliott.
unidentified		A black man brutally assaulted an Asian woman in New York City, 2021, I believe, was convicted of a hate crime.
		And it wasn't listed on the TPP database at all.
		Now, here's the other thing.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Because of our justice bureaus, because they've stopped recording interracial crime statistics, right?
unidentified		They changed that, I believe, it was in 2016, where it's kind of murky.
unidentified		You have to use isolated studies.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Keep in mind that data shows 85% of all assault crimes in the San Francisco Bay Area were black on Asian.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		85% of all assault.
unidentified		Now, it's a small sample size because we can't get it from the DOJ.
		Just call it leftist.
		You can't get it from the FBI.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Don't worry.
unidentified		Just call it leftist.
		Yeah.
		Well, I mean, because look, the left talks about white supremacy and white privilege.
		And so the data shows they have a white liberals have an out-group preference.
		So if then the violence is targeting non-black people, then I think our institution can just refer to that as leftist and we'll make those charts, right?
		Now, the reality is.
		Good enough for me.
		But we've been honest the whole time and this doesn't work on the right.
		You can't make fake stats to trick the right.
		They'll just get mad at you for doing it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But liberals fall for it every time when the left does it.
unidentified		No, you're absolutely right.
		Yeah.
		And that's also why it's hard sometimes to get the right to sort of coalesce, you know, around each other because they just have a naturally rebellious streak.
		Just understand the enemy that it is we're facing.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		They are violent.
unidentified		They want you dead.
		This is not, this is not a difference of opinion on marginal tax rates.
		And here's the thing.
		Charlie Kirk sat down and had conversations with people.
		And they have conceded the war of ideas, the left, because they can't win.
		So they took his life.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		They took his life anyway.
		Now, let me ask you this.
		Anyone watching, anyone listening, what views do you hold that you think might be to the right of Charlie Kirk?
unidentified		If you vote Republican, there's a good chance a few of them.
		What do you think they'd do to you if given the chance?
		How about this?
		They say Charlie Kirk is far right.
		I argue, I argue he's a moderate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know why?
unidentified		Because publicly, privately, overtly, he said gay people should be welcome in their movement.
		And he's got viral videos where a young gay conservative is talking to him in the microphone and Charlie says, you don't need to describe yourself as gay.
		That's not who you are.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're a conservative.
unidentified		I hope that you come to Christ.
		That's what Charlie Kirk said to him.
		Imagine 15 years ago that the Republican Party was not there.
		They're claiming Charlie Kirk is far right.
		I argue that Charlie Kirk was moderate.
		And so what does that mean for everybody who actually is staunchly conservative?
		No, you're exactly right.
		And I don't want to, I don't think it was necessarily moderate in belief.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I think it was moderate in approach.
unidentified		Sure.
		And so was I for a long time.
		I really was.
		I really wanted to show that we could have dialogues.
		The problem is the left killed people anyway, so I don't care anymore.
		If they want to know why, they've made me this way.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Ruthless, merciless, indifferent, lawful violence.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		That is what I'm advocating.
unidentified		I make no apologies for it.
		Anyone who has a problem with it, I'll make the case.
		And this reaction, this reaction saying actually more violence comes from the right, it tells you the left is incapable of taking accountability and they are going to continue down this path.
		More people are going to die unless something changes from our side.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		It's that simple.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The worst thing I think about it is, you know, Mehdi Hassan is a good example.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He published a list of out-of-context quotes, as have many of these liberals, because this is the second degree of how they try to defend and justify the murder.
unidentified		What they're doing now is, here's what I think happened.
unidentified		I think when Charlie first was assassinated, liberals were all cheering and dancing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There was one viral video from some random woman.
unidentified		She's not anyone special.
		And she said, she was laughing and said, the best thing about it is that Charlie was not well known enough to be a martyr.
		That's what they thought.
		And then the Yankees, the Cowboys, all these football teams held a moment of silence for Charlie in Vegas on the marquee they were putting up in memory of Charlie Kirk.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The New York Times put it on their, on their menu bar at the top of their website, Charlie Kirk.
unidentified		And I think then liberals realized, oops, this guy was actually extremely popular among regular people for trying to just have a conversation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was entertaining.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was fun.
unidentified		He made it fun to have these conversations.
		So they shifted their tactics.
		Liberals were now feeling scared.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are people now going to be mad at us for cheering for this?
unidentified		Don't worry, says Mehdi Hassan and Occupy Democrats.
		It was wrong to kill him, but look how evil he was.
		And then the liberals get to go, well, he was evil, I guess.
		But those quotes were all lies.
		The most egregious of which is there's memes going on all over Facebook where it says black women in brackets, and then it says dot, dot, dot, don't have the brain processing power to be in these positions.
		It's about Jackson Lee and Katanji Brown Jackson who said I'm a DEI hire.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He never said that.
unidentified		Charlie Kirk never said black women.
		He said, these women who have stated publicly they were hired under DEI didn't have the processing power, the brain processing power to hold these jobs.
		He was referring to specific individuals, not whole groups of people, but they lie because they need you.
		What they want is they want liberals to publicly say, sure, the assassination was wrong, but privately think it was okay.
		Well, here, let me, let me, here's the thing.
		They killed Charlie Kirk, who was talking specifically about those women who said they were DEI hires, right?
		Black women.
		How about now you deal with the people you've turned into this?
		Those dumb bitches who happen to be black, Jackson Lee and Katanji Brown Jackson.
		Hey, those dumb bitches who happen to be black and tell you they got their job because they're black.
		I'm just saying dumb bitches.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		They're saying they got their job because they're black.
unidentified		You draw your own conclusions.
		I don't care anymore.
		I don't.
		And you know what else?
		When I talk with actual, with black people, and I'm a guy, again, after, you know, we changed, one of the things we changed, changed my mind to talking with people because quite literally, it's harder to set up a shot.
		So I can walk with people and just talk with people and tell, I had to do it out of necessity.
		Then we did black and white in the gray issues where I go into a barbershop.
		I talk.
		I'm surrounded by black men.
		They are not offended at all.
		When I go, hey, you know what?
		Do you understand why we get concerned when we find ourselves at the intersect of ML King Jr. Boulevard and Malcolm X?
		They go, Yeah, we are too.
		It's the left who wants to perpetuate this offense because that's their currency.
		Did you evil?
		Did you evil?
		Yeah, he didn't say it, but they're still doing it, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you know, Stephen, that Charlie Kirk said, and I quote, black children are a gift from God.
unidentified		Now, that doesn't sound like a white supremacist to me, but let me caveat that.
unidentified		What actually happened was that Charlie Kirk was at one of his events and a black woman walked up with her young child, who's about a year old, and she was asking Charlie a question about faith and made a mention of having a child.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Charlie smiled and said, This is, you just had a kid recently and said, Yes.
unidentified		And he goes, that child is a gift from God.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now, here's the thing.
unidentified		What they do is they apply false context.
		Did Charlie say all black children in this context are a gift from God?
		No, he was referring to a single child.
		The reality is on the right, if I were to make that fake quote, conservatives would be like, hey, he didn't say that.
		He was referring to, because we want the truth.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We want to know what he was actually conveying.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But we know he literally does believe that any child of any background is a gift from God and children are fantastic.
unidentified		Not only do we not make fake quotes to lie and smear people, we can't because people will get mad.
unidentified		You know, every day I put up a video on YouTube.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I try to make sure the title is as accurate, conveying my opinion without distorting it as possible.
unidentified		And I still have people on the right saying, rage bait, you're, oh, this, you know, we put up a title and like yesterday with Jimmy Kimmel getting fired.
		And as soon as it goes live, all the comments, you know, there's like three or four comments saying, this better not be clickbait.
		This better be real.
		As if I'm lying when I say Jimmy Kimmel was fired because they won't tolerate lies.
		The left, they revel in it.
		Yeah, well, that's the one thing they do agree upon.
		Like they agree upon lying.
		Like this is the method, this is the battle plan.
		Whereas conservatives, we can disagree about a whole lot.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Like, for example, I don't, I mean, I may disagree with Charlie Kirk's statement on that because the truth is, it's a 50-50 shot.
unidentified		You don't know if it's a good baby or not.
unidentified		A good baby in the Hitler baby.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		You could have made the world a worse place for having given birth.
unidentified		Now, see, that's a joke.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		We can do that.
unidentified		The left would take that out of context.
unidentified		This is, I'm going to treat people like they're adults.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're going to do it.
unidentified		You got to treat people like they're adults.
		Hey, you guys know what I'm saying, right?
		You guys know cancel culture, right?
		Difference between brain bits and saying good shot and, hey, men and women are a thing.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		One something that is deplorable to use their term.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		One is something that's an ever-changing rule set.
unidentified		Hey, we know the difference between lawful defensive violence that we've sort of abandoned and we've offered grace instead versus civil war.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		People do.
unidentified		The left wants to take it out.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I went through this with X this week where it doesn't matter.
unidentified		Did you want to talk about our bingo card?
		If a head of French state was going to be showing her snatch in court because of Candice Owens.
		No, but it is ridiculous.
		But what I did want to say is on the issue of lawful violence, the idea of self-defense, that we will not tolerate this anymore, there is a clear and a distinct bit of information the left needs to understand.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		For the longest time, we did not think you were actually going to kill us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We thought it was possible.
unidentified		And we thought that when you showed up with rocks or Molotovs, for the most part, the violence was bad, but we could try to avoid the fights, right?
		They say in the fight, any fight you avoid is a fight you've won.
		The problem now is they've actually killed Charlie Kirk.
		And now I have extreme fear of death from the left, not just because of what I witnessed, but because they are posting online a list of names with you and me on them saying we should be next and saying go kill them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I can only make one assumption, and I have the legal right to do so.
unidentified		If I fear for my life, I will use whatever power I have to defend myself.
		If you are going to inflict great bodily harm or death upon me or the people around me, I have a legal right to self-defense.
		And they have made sure with this killing that we all feel that any step they make towards us with violence is a risk of death.
		And now I don't want anyone to die.
		I don't want anyone to get hurt.
		I oppose the death penalty.
		I want people to live peacefully and comfortably, but I am not going to sit back and let you just shoot me or kill me.
		So my eyes, I am staying vigilant.
		I am getting my security guards.
		And I'll keep it real simple.
		You know what?
		I'm going to say this, Stephen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I will never, I will never even defend myself.
unidentified		I want you to hear that.
unidentified		You know why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My armed guards with AR-15s will do it for me who are around me and watching to make sure if you try to step forward and risk the life of me and my family, they will use all legal means to stop the threat before you can hurt other people.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, I understand that, for example, when I did, because a lot of the changed my minds weren't even on campus, they were just in public spaces.
		It's the one time I didn't carry.
		My security guards were there for the left.
		Because what do you think I do to you?
		What do you think I do to these people if they're not there?
		If I'm sitting with my family, you've met me.
		Look, it's a hobby.
		Some people, they dabble in watercolors, oils.
		Mine is fighting.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		That's been a hobby of mine for a long time.
unidentified		They're there to protect them.
unidentified		Because if you steal a homeless man's lunchbox and launch it at my face while claiming you're a woman in a letterman's jacket, it's an actual video.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		You can go watch it.
unidentified		I would have beaten your ass.
unidentified		But now, afford a no-grace.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you.
unidentified		And I think it's a very noble thought.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I disagree with one thing.
unidentified		I don't want everyone to live in peace and comfort unless they deserve it, unless they've earned it.
		And in this country, for me, now it's you need to earn it.
		I want them to live in fear and discomfort if they are willing to commit acts of violence because of political differences.
		I don't want them to have peace.
		I don't.
		I really don't.
		I have, I appreciate you going longer.
		This has been a lot of fun.
		So I'll say one last thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've got advice for these leftists, for these liberals, and I hope they take it.
unidentified		Hear me.
		I want you to go to Walmart, buy a nice little cheap folding table and some big white poster board and write on it, Trump is a fascist, change my mind and go sit down at a university and tape it there, have a peaceful conversation.
		That'll show those conservatives, challenge them to abate and their ideas, change their minds, and you will win the political debate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But for the most part, they have tried wearing masks, beating people, threatening people.
unidentified		You know what?
		That doesn't fly.
		Try the change my mind approach.
		And I, with a smile on my face, will say, appreciate it.
		Oh, I appreciate it.
		And you know what?
		I would tell them, bring security with you, but don't.
		Bring security, be prudent.
		But you know, you won't need it, leftists, because you never do.
		I've lived amongst them too.
		I've also gone and cared with the left for going back to 2012.
		You might have even run into me and Occupy Wall Street with a hammer and sickle as a communist.
		And I know, I've lived among them.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		Like I have been among them my whole life.
unidentified		And here's the one difference.
		I agree with you on 99% of what you said.
		And this is me taking ownership.
		I always thought it was a matter of time before it came to this and one got through.
		I knew it was not only a possibility, an inevitability.
		And I screwed up by not making it as clear as possible.
		I could have sounded the alarm.
		I told people it was dangerous.
steven crowder ▲ ● ▼		I told people that the left obviously is, they are uncaring.
unidentified		They're unempathetic.
		I didn't shout it enough.
		And I'm trying to make those wrongs right.
		Everyone out there know what you are in for, understand the risks.
		I don't want to see any more bodies stacked.
		We didn't believe it.
		Even if there will be.
		We knew it was bad, but we didn't want to believe it would get to this point, even though we kind of knew.
		But Stephen, it's been awesome having you.
		I really do appreciate you joining me.
		Where can people find you if they don't already know?
		Well, again, because I'm Persona Non Grata at YouTube, but Rumble live stream every day, and you're on that lineup too, where each show rolls in the next 11 a.m. Eastern, every day of the week.
		And, you know, we're still number one there in our time slot.
		And it's going on a long time.
		By the way, Rumble being more downloaded than YouTube in the app store now.
		That's a real change.
		Yeah, I really want to see YouTube.
		I mean, figuratively, by the way, just to be clear because of all this talk of violence, I want to see YouTube die as a platform, but first I want to see it suffer.
		Right on, man.
		Well, I appreciate it, man.
		And I'll talk to you next time.
		I appreciate it.
		Stay safe, brother.

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