The Great Police DEBATE w/ Michael Malice, Jason Ellis, Angry Cops, & Alex Stein
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Why don't we start from the right and have everybody introduce themselves?
Hi, my name is Rich.
I do things on the internet, and I'm also a police officer on YouTube.
It's called Angry Cops.
Yeah!
You guys know who I am, Prime Time 99.
I am the pimp on a blamp, and I say, fuck the police!
I would gladly get fucked by that man.
No, diddy.
Hey, everybody, I am Michael Malice, and I'm here to remind you that the cops are not your friend, that you can talk your way into an arrest, but you can't talk your way out of them.
I'm Jason Ellis.
I'm a criminal.
I was born in Australia, so I want to say fuck the police, but I really like them, but I don't know.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, I am Tim Poole, your host, along with co-host Alex Stein.
This is going to be a lot of fun.
And of course, I think to kick off the great conversation, I will start with the truth, and that is no cop anywhere for any reason has ever done anything wrong.
I disagree?
So you guys admit that you're corrupt?
Okay, debate, you lost.
Thanks for coming.
Yeah, you guys, let's get out of here.
I guess it's over.
We'll all give up now and let Baltimore go back to what it was.
Yeah, okay.
Because there's no cops in Baltimore.
What I want everyone here to realize, because this is something I'm being very serious now, despite dressing in my clown costume.
Imitation is the highest form of flattery.
Right.
Okay, if you think this is flattering, that speaks to you.
What I want to point out in all seriousness is it doesn't matter if you're Republican, Democrat, communist, anarchist, fascist in your day-to-day life.
It is only a monopoly when there's actually not even a pretense that, yeah, we're here to protect you, but if we didn't, well, tough shit, there's nothing we're going to, we're not even going to pretend to do something about it.
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And everyone just kind of takes this as a given because this is the world we grew up in.
And my point is, it's not at all acceptable that someone who takes a job onto themselves and who doesn't deliver, you're just like, oh, well, what are you going to do?
And Michael, you're very intelligent, and I respect you, and I'm glad that you dressed up like me.
Maybe unintentionally, but you must have children.
But I would have to push back on the monopoly thing because there's tons of private enterprises that do private security work, including people that fight against the exploitation of children and work alongside police and do better than police because they're privatized.
And it's always a given that if there's an emergency, there's not a 911 that is like an Uber service where people who have to maybe be qualified pass certain certifications and then they can have a rating based on.
And there's police boards that state or they go over like a police officer's background and their complaints and they're part of the community.
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They're part of like a like a mayoral right.
So we all know what happens in schools.
I know someone who's this mentally handicapped guy who's doing a lot of great work because teachers unions do a great job of protecting the predators from having any consequences for their behavior.
In this scenario, when someone comes into my property and attacks one of the residents, you would agree that, or is the position then put him down, shoot him?
Yeah.
And let's talk about how the cops enable this sort of situation.
So, so, okay.
I don't want to get you up, so address that one, yeah.
Yeah, sure.
So if you look at cases like Jordan Neely in New York, if you look at the 2020 riots, there's a great example of this.
In fact, they are far more interested in arresting and persecuting people who are there enforcing the public safety than they are in attacking and harming criminals.
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Like I said earlier, if someone burglarizes your house, you're going to have no consequences whatsoever.
But if that person steals from a CVS or whatever, they're on the streets in five minutes and the cops just shrug their shoulders.
The cops have a lot of influence with the politicians who give them orders.
And you do not hear them saying, wait a minute, you guys are legalizing shoplifting and this is causing problems in the community because they are just there to follow orders.
It's when you take obedient orders from people who are depraved, like Gavin Newsome, like Nancy Pelosi, and just close your eyes and do whatever they tell you.
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So regarding your situation, it is crazy to me that the only solution we're put forward is you have to call the government and the government's not going to do a good job of it.
So I'm not going to even deny for the sake of this debate that the cops are a necessary evil.
But I'm just going to have everyone walk away, I hope, tonight, with understanding that nevertheless, they are an evil.
But it sounds like your argument is more so because we're forced to pay for it.
Well, it's not that we're, A, we're forced to pay for it, but B, they're not doing what we're paying for.
Well, I just want to say this, and Michael makes some good points.
And I would say overall, cops probably aren't bad, Rich.
But my question for you is: when you looked at the pandemic and you saw some, like the mask police, that they're actually using people like yourself to enforce stuff like wearing a mask.
Like, is there a line that you would draw where you're like, hey, listen, I believe in the First Amendment more than I believe in my superior telling me what to do?
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Yeah.
Or are you just going to follow orders blindly, like Michael says?
Because a lot of cops did, but a lot of cops were gracious to people like myself that didn't wear masks.
So I guess how much personal responsibility do you get even as an officer?
So I want to say that Michael is right in some aspect of this, right?
There are people that follow rules, and those rules are bad, and they shouldn't follow them.
However, on the same side, or opposite side of the same coin, there's a thing called police discretion, which I've used before, which says that if I look at something as an individual that happens to be a police officer and I deem that I don't want to do anything about it, good or bad, we can debate that later, I can choose not to.
And I'll give you a personal example of how I did it in the right way, and that's New York State has very strict firearm policies.
I had somebody that came from out of state that had a legal permit from out of state, but in New York State didn't recognize that pistol permit.
He tells me he has a firearm in the car he's carrying legally.
He's not in New York State.
What do I do?
I unload the firearm, put the firearm in the glove compartment, I put the ammo on his seat, and I say, hey, I'm not one of those New York City cops that doesn't like guns.
I'm all about you carrying legally.
Go home.
If you load it, keep it in your hand, in your, whatchamacallit, the glove compartment.
That pilot was having a bad day, and then they all died.
We're talking about America.
No, Michael.
They got teleported away by orbs in the sky.
Michael, the bartenders right there can get in trouble for overserving and they can choose not to overserve you, isn't that?
Sure.
So anyway, what I'm trying to say is I am going to ignore it because this is a distraction because the bartender doesn't have the problem put you in a cage.
Only cops have the discretion, as he pointed out, that at any time they can throw you in the back of their cop car, throw you in a cell, say disorderly conduct.
Well, you shouldn't trust what this pig has to say, but I would hope everyone at home Googles that.
And here's something else about the police.
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In the same way that obnoxious people who talk too much are drawn to podcasting, as the three of us can attest.
Everyone up here.
Everyone up here.
And in the same way that people who want to prey on children go to where the children are, violent people are going to be drawn to jobs where they're able to use violence without impunity.
There's two people in America who think words are violence.
Social justice warriors and cops.
If I call Alex the N-word, which I do all the time, and I will again.
I didn't hear it, but I wish I did.
I see our text messages.
They're bad.
There's plenty of leftists who will tell you that it's appropriate him to beat me into a coma because, hey, you shouldn't be calling black people the N-word.
And then I go, oh, by the way, Tim, this power tool, I can and will use this against you.
All of a sudden, it's like, hey, hey.
They tell you explicitly, anything you say can and will be used against you.
And here's something else.
If you tell a cop something that would help your side of the story in a lawsuit in a criminal case, that's hearsay.
Oh, he said, but if he doesn't remember something you said or gets it a little wrong like he did repeatedly today, all of a sudden, it's his word against yours.
And now your story doesn't add up.
And now you're a liar.
And now very quickly, bad things are going to happen to you as a consequence.
Well, actually, I don't ever talk to the police without an attorney.
Michael has a good point.
And I want you to answer this, though, Rich, because you know you deal with these interrogations and people you miranda.
Well, that's why I asked them, do you understand these rights that I've just read to you?
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And they're not going to be able to do that.
I understand that you ask that question.
And then follow-up question, I have to ask, knowing these rights in mind, having these rights in mind, would you like to talk to me now?
I have the card.
I know that.
Hold on, just in case we forgot.
But you know that you are asking questions to a person.
It doesn't even matter if you sat there for 10 minutes and lectured them on what legal rights they had.
They still would not understand what it is because some people have a 70 IQ.
Do you ever feel guilty for them basically not taking advantage of their legal rights, like, you know, a free attorney?
So the amount of people that I've questioned that I've read their Miranda rights to, which start off with, you have the right to remain silent, if you don't understand that.
Everybody's talking about like, are you smart enough to understand it?
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If I say you have the right to remain silent and then I continue to question you and you say, okay, I would like to be questioned, there's no much more I can do.
But he knows as long as he's got the assent, just like when you check up the terms of service on some website or thing, his hands are clean, and he can go and pursue the arrest and get conviction.
So if you feel like police officers taking advantage of people that don't understand their rights or don't understand the conversation that they've been in, I would ask you to bring me with some sort of story.
Just bring something up where you were having a conversation with somebody who felt as though they could not talk to you or didn't understand the conversation.
And then you continue to have a conversation with them.
That's assault, not continuous okay okay, so i'm not doing anything, let me.
Let me just ask you Michael no, before we get at all, before we're not no no, i'm gonna say this point.
Notice how comfortable a cop is getting in your face, and my point earlier is, i'm just to your backside sir, i'm not.
I'm not sure you can laugh.
You should laugh right now, because that's obviously humorous.
Now imagine what happens when there's no cameras and there's no witnesses and he's in a bad mood.
All of a sudden, he's gonna be very happy to remind you who your place in life and who you should be talking to with the, with the polite mouthed boy.
So so, before we go to the aunts, I do want to ask, what would we have if there were no police?
Well, we need security.
So this idea like security, like the people that try to get me to stop skating some ledge at the front of a building and they're fucking dickheads Yeah, they suck.
Yeah, specifically those people.
Only them.
We want to clone them.
Great contribution.
Security is an extremely important thing.
These movements that you see in these big cities to defund the police are to me insane because they're defunding them to a point, but they're keeping them in place to make sure people can't protect themselves.
So you have the police taking out Kyle Rittenhouse.
You have them taking out Daniel Penny.
but everybody else is rendered helpless and defenseless.
So security is far too important of a job to be left to monopoly, let alone a government monopoly.
We need police accountability and we need private security to increase.
But as it is now, there is no accountability.
And the people who are the, if you're in New York, one of the reasons I moved to Austin, thank God I did, is because I, thank you.
I knew if someone broke into my house and I have pretty cool shit and I tried to defend myself, especially with a firearm, it's far more likely that the law would fall upon me than upon the guy breaking into my house.
We see this over and over.
And those laws are enforced and only enforced by the police.
So, oh, that's all the fuck.
No, come on.
No.
Those laws are enforced by the district attorney's office and the politicians that you elect.
It's not my fault that you decided to live in a shitty city with bad rules that I choose to ignore because I believe in the Second Amendment.
Okay.
You chose to live in a state that says here are the guidelines.
And then you go, it's the cops' fault that they put handcuffs on me.
Not at all for the fact that there's a judge, a jury, a district attorney, a state senator, and a governor that are all against you, not the cops.
Just because we collect you doesn't mean we're responsible for the end result.
So if I hire Tim to kill Alex, which one of us has committed a crime?
Both of you.
Right.
Thank you.
So just because an evil person tells you to do something and you follow their orders, you're both committing wrongdoing.
And I want to ask the people in this audience, how much money, how many people here lost a loved one during COVID?
Anyone?
No.
Me.
Okay.
How many people couldn't visit their old folks during COVID?
How many people couldn't go to church during COVID?
Right.
There we go.
How much money would Joe Biden have to pay you to arrest someone for trying to go to church?
Fuck Joe Biden.
Agreed.
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
All right, well, let's.
How much money?
No, no, no.
How much money would Officer Kamala Harris have to pay you to arrest someone for having a funeral?
Fuck Kamala Harris.
All right.
Thank you.
No, no, no.
I'm going to finish my point.
We've all said earlier that cops are human beings, but in one capacity, they're not.
Because what separates humans from non-human animals is our conscience.
And when you become a cop, you give yours away.
You say, I am going to do what the sociopaths tell me.
And if they tell me to shut down that lemonade stand and make that little girl cry, I'm not going to lose an ounce of sleep over it.
One quick question for Rich before we go to the audience.
The police officers who unconstitutionally shut down churches in New York, should they be arrested for that?
They should be charged.
All right.
You're here.
Constitutional violence.
Conspiracy theories.
All right.
Let's get into the show, Tim.
You ready for this?
Let's go.
Are you guys ready for this?
Are you guys ready for this?
Let's get the energy going.
Okay, so what we're going to do is we're going to call out a name.
You guys walk your ass and hurry your ass because we've got to have a hard out at 5 p.m.
And remember to tip your damn waitress.
DC's expensive.
Or waiter.
Or waiter, whatever.
And that's cool if you're gay or trans.
Tip them extra.
Tip them extra.
Just to be extra nice.
Give them a tip.
They lost.
Get your ass over here in this corner.
We're going to give you a minute.
And real quick, I believe there may be another autographed mustard floating around somewhere.
And if you get it.
Indeed Tim you get it you get what we're doing A free board?
Yeah, you get a free skateboard.
Check your table if your mustard bottle is signed.
Take your mustard right now.
Let's get this out of the way.
Pick up your mustard.
But just come to us after the show with your mustard.
Let's get some people.
All right, let's get this going.
Now, our first person, Walt K. Come on down.
Where's Walt K?
Where does Walt go?
I don't know.
Walter K. Where does he go though?
Oh, he goes to the right, to that side of the stage.
I don't see him.
I see you're moving.
Slow, Walt.
Let's go.
Find the white.
One over here, over here.
Get the lead out of your ass and let's move this way, this way, right over here.
You see me?
Big flashy white kid in the white stuff.
Hey, in the right of stage.
Stop putting your hand down.
Open the door hole.
Hurry.
Don't be shy.
You got one minute.
All right, one minute for what?
What do you guys want?
First of all, I'm going to go away.
All right, so I had an interaction with the cops today.
It's my fault.
No, it's not your fault.
But I just got to look at this, like, this generation of cops, they are young as fuck.
And I guess it's because I'm getting older, right?
Yeah.
And so, so I just, the EMTs that even showed up, they looked like they were 15, 16.
I'm like, what the fuck?
But I guess my point is they didn't look like big burly men.
They're not like you.
They're not like Tim.
They're not like Alex Stein, who looks.
Are you on Ozimpic?
No.
Okay.
It's like cancer.
How dare you?
Like, you're skinny as shit, dude.
What happened?
But I don't know what's going on.
Look, I didn't expect him to be up here, so I'm a little nervous.
All right, cameras are.
You're scared.
Do you like that?
No, I'm not scared.
Can you smile so we can see you?
Yeah, we can.
Actually, come on.
Okay, that's been your one minute.
I don't know.
Should this go?
But anyway, my point, I guess my question is, is how do you see the future of policing if we're just allowing bitches on the job?
Pretty much.
Got you.
All right.
Yeah.
Well, Michael doesn't want big, strong men that could commit violence.
So I'm going to notice he put words in my mouth.
I know that for licinas, because we know they can scrap.
Somebody doesn't want to deport them, and I'm behind that movement.
Thank you.
But the thing is, in reality, you have to, and this is going to sound super cliche and shitty.
You have to bridge the gap between community and police, right?
If you don't, then nobody's going to respect you.
And if you don't bridge that gap, if nobody respects you, then every time you show up, they're going to disrespect you, get in a fight with you, push the boundaries until they're resisting or obstructing, and then you have to effect an arrest.
And so there is an image, like my fantastic partner has to show that police officers should have because they are part of this larger authority of the community.
Does that make sense?
So notice how easily he lied about my views and put words in my mouth.
He said, I don't want cops to be big, burly guys.
I said that the police, that's not what I said.
I said the police as a career attracts violent people and it's a small percentage.
I said those words or words to that effect.
At no point did I say it's preferable for the police to be small people.
And again, I don't care what you think about me.
I don't care anything about any of us on this panel.
What I care about is when you talk to the police, they will easily twist your words without any guilt whatsoever or any kind of consequences or apology.
And you're the one who will be ending up paying the price.
Man, I disagree.
That's nice.
Oh, that's nice.
Jason, what do you got for us?
What do you think?
I look like an asshole.
I look like a criminal.
Usually when I talk to them, and I'm calm and I'm not doing anything illegal, and I go, hey, man, I get it.
I look like this, but I'm not doing anything bad.
They're very nice to me.
I'm sure.
I'm not doubting that.
Have I bumped into an asshole cop?
Yeah, but that's like you're trying to say that cops wanted that job so they can be pricks.
There's pricks all over the place that are not police.
There's a bunch of people that have bad days and they act like assholes.
Absolutely.
There's also cops.
I've been smoking weed in Australia where it was completely illegal and they were like, yeah, you're harmless.
Off you go.
They could have fucked my whole life right there.
They're harmless.
Jesus, that was a dumb cop.
Okay.
Okay, I changed my mind.
You're right.
Fucking jerk off.
First of all, you're one data point, and you're absolutely correct.
How dare you be that data point and not a person to call cop.
Okay.
Point being, every field, you're absolutely correct, have people who are assholes, beauty queens, politicians, teachers, barbers, anyone count.
It is only the police, when someone is an asshole, that they have the legal right and discretion to, if you're giving them an attitude, throw you in the back of their cop car and fuck your shit up for a very long time.
That's what I'm saying.
Well, let's clarify that.
They actually don't, but the argument is they have connections and what do you mean?
They can get you for resisting?
They can get you for disorderly conduct.
Right, right.
My point is, to the letter of the law, they can't legally do that.
You're saying they have to lie and break the law to get away with it.
A lot of those things are in the opinion of the officer.
And he will testify.
Let me trust.
Can you, for any reason, because you're angry, make up charges against somebody?
No, no, you have to make up a charge.
Yeah.
Can you make up charges against somebody?
No.
But cops do lie.
Okay.
Cops lie.
And that's illegal to false.
And it is illegal to lie, and there are repercussions for those people that do it.
But the argument, Michael, is that you're saying they get away with it, which I don't disagree with.
Yes.
Here's something.
Assume everything I'm saying is not true.
What I would encourage people to do as I've done is watch a lot of police body cam footage.
Yes, I agree with that.
And I'm not finished.
It's going to make you appreciate what the cops have to do a lot more.
Because if you're calling the cops, you're not calling the cops because things are nice.
It's not like, oh, hey, officer, we're having a birthday party.
Would you like a piece of cake, please?
Right?
Here's the thing.
If your day, sorry, eight hours a day, five days a week, is dealing with shitty people doing shitty stuff, it does a number on you.
Because what?
Cops are what?
Human.
Human beings.
I had a friend, Jim Moore.
He was a sheriff in rural Illinois.
Great guy.
And part of his gig before he was a sheriff was investigating child abuse.
Oh, me too.
I never asked him for details because I didn't want to know.
I don't think anyone in this room wants to know.
The kinds of things people do to their own kids, let alone foster kids, is unimaginable.
And after a while, he quit.
And do you know why he quit?
Because it got to him.
How could it not get to you?
You do that kind of stuff inside and out.
You're going to look at people in a whole different way.
And that's what happens.
It's not even their fault.
You show up like this young guy on the force and you're trying to help and help your community.
After a while, people yell at you.
You see these police body cam where someone's like literally a shooter.
The cops try to take him down and he swarmed in the ghetto and they feel very unsafe and you don't blame him for feeling very unsafe.
My point is, after a while, this hardens you, right?
And if you have that interaction with that hardened cop who's having a bad day, you're the one who's going to be paying the price for it.
And it's not even his fault.
Let me ask you this, Rich.
I think it might have been Donut Operator who told the story.
I could be wrong, where they had just gotten a call about a child that was killed in a car accident, a baby.
That was Cody, yeah.
Yeah, and then after that, he has to go deal with some angry woman who's bitching at him.
Karen.
And they don't understand what he just witnessed and experienced.
Right.
And it's like torturous.
It's difficult.
Yeah, I'm not going to lie.
The job comes with risks that are involved.
It doesn't mean that you deserve those risks, but it means that there's risks that are involved.
I currently get mental health from a psychiatrist because I need it.
Because I'm an SVU detective.
So I deal with crimes against children, domestic abuse, sexual assault.
No human can handle it on their own.
Correct.
It's not possible.
They need help.
And yeah, it is difficult, but at the same time, I haven't had the spillover that other police officers have, so it's hard for me to connect with that.
Would you know it if you had?
With that?
Would you know it if you had?
Yes, because you know what?
You're right.
I did have spillover.
I did have spillover, and I had good officers that were next to me that pulled me aside and said, you need to sit down.
You need to cool off.
And there are laws right now in New York State.
I forget what law it's called.
where it is an officer's duty to intervene if another officer is doing excessive force in their eyes.
Yeah, but there's also a duty in the military if people have to do that.
Then you have the My Life Massacre.
So just because something's on paper, and I'm sure that happens sometimes.
I'm sure there's a lot of times because you trust your partner, people trust their partners.
You see your partner being out of it.
It's like, oh, and you're like, oh, shit, thanks for checking me.
And that person will be grateful.
But there's plenty of other times when you and your partner, it's YouTube against the world, and someone who's from a certain socioeconomic class is giving you lip, and you're not having it that day.
And I don't know that I would do differently in that position.
I'm not pretending otherwise.
Let's get some more people.
All right, let's get some more people.
Now, this name, what is this?
Alex Alabama?
What is this?
Alex A-L-A?
Alex Aliburn.
Alabram.
Alex, hurry up.
Let's go.
I like this guy.
Let's go, Alex.
I know it is tight quarters, but come on down.
Things are going to get spicy.
You're going to have one minute.
Either ask us a question if you want to debate something.
As soon as you start talking, we're going to start the timer.
All right, what do you got for us, Alex?
I just got sort of a long question for Michael.
Oh, God.
These are always so much fun.
Can you have a five-minute speech first, too?
No.
If you're against police, do you think individuals should be trained in police schools?
Sorry.
If you're against police, do you think individuals should be trained in public schools to de-escalate, shoot, fight hand-to-hand combat, handle crime scenes, evidence, large-scale criminal organizations?
I think there's a lot of young men in this audience and elsewhere who would be great assets to their community.
And if they are more encouraged to be de-escalating.
Like if you've seen a bar, right?
There's two guys getting a fight.
Very quickly, most of the time, people jump in, strangers, and separate them.
In this country, I can't speak for other countries.
There's a huge motive and part of our culture that we help each other out.
We try to deescalate violence and we try to prevent violence.
What happens when you have a situation...
What are you talking about?
Have you seen the videos from Cincinnati?
People just pull their phones out and film it.
They don't help shit.
In certain cultures, yes.
Hashtag.
And I don't want to be sued.
There's lots of other problems.
I'm not speaking.
Okay, D.C. is fair.
DC is very different.
Sorry, Texas has spoiled me.
In certain parts of this country, thank you for the correction.
In certain parts of the country, it is very much the case that people are neighborly.
If there's a problem in the neighborhood, people try to get together and solve it.
That is very much discouraged.
And just like charity is very much discouraged, because you have the government to rely on that puts less and less responsibility for individuals to fix this.
And a great example of this is, again, Daniel Penny or Perry.
I forgot his name.
I'm sorry, New York.
Penny, actually.
Right.
But he is both.
There's two.
One, uh, Penny was in New York and Perry was in Austin.
Perry was the guy who- Oh, no, in New York.
Daniel Penny.
Right, right.
Perry was the guy where the guy at the protest showed up with the rifle at Low Ready.
He was shot to defend himself.
They arrested and charged them.
So I would love it if not only were more people incentivized and have that sense of, no one's coming to help me, because when crime is seconds away, the cops are minutes away.
And one of the great things about living in Austin is knowing that I sleep with a piece under my bed and one in my office.
And if someone comes into my house, I'm not going to have to open fear.
Except Daniel Perry was in his car driving when a mob approached his vehicle.
One guy had an AK, low ready, raised up, and when he saw the gun rising, being raised, he shot him, and he got charged.
Okay.
And then he got convicted and then had to get a pardon from the governor.
I'm glad he got pardoned.
Indeed, but that's still Texas.
Sure, sure.
Mustin is a little bit of an outlier, but the point is, I'm not in favor of that verdict.
I'm saying that's the kind of thing that should be encouraged more of.
Here's what I want to say.
Let's call some real quick.
I want to address this in that.
It seems like the real issue is not police at all.
It's cultural fragmentation.
Well, if you have a winning man of fragmentation.
If you have a village of 100 people and they all say, Rich is going to be our cop.
We trust him and we like this guy.
When he stops somebody, he knows that he's got fear of being shunned or ostracized for acting out of line.
Yes, I.
And so the problem we have now is in these very large cities of millions of people, the cops are like, don't know you, don't care, I'm done with you.
Well, this is actually something that they tried to fight because for a long time, you would have white cops in black neighborhoods, and this naturally had some kind of antagonism.
Oh, thank you.
Yeah, guy.
Lay down the law over there.
Law.
I get it.
All right, let's call the next person.
But the point is, so there was a movement from police districts to recruit people from those neighborhoods.
And I think that's a very commendable situation.
And it's always better when there is this kind of semblance of people knowing each other because that de-escalates things immediately.
If you and I got in a fight, it's supposed to be me or you getting a fight with a stranger.
It's very different.
Yeah.
All right.
Our next person coming up, Taylor Lorenz's ex-wife.
Come on down.
Hurry up, Taylor Lorenz's ex-wife.
I know you got to put on your freaking burqa or your hijab.
Hurry up.
She's not putting a mask because she's got a long coat.
She's running into walls.
You look like you're going to kick my ass when you get over, man.
All right, therapy.
Mortal Kombat.
Looks like that.
Is that an Assassin's Creed getup?
I can't see anything with these glasses.
I think that's the point.
All right, what do you got?
Ah, fuck.
Hang on, hang on.
Into the mic.
Let's go.
We're getting there.
We're unlocking the phone.
Unlocking the phone.
First off, y'all, a bunch of animals.
You're putting everyone's life at risk by not wearing a mask.
COVID-19 is very serious.
Thanks for trolling me.
Don't interrupt.
Let Taylor Lorenz go.
Okay, regarding William McNeil, I've seen both videos.
I believe the headlights not being on is a bullshit charge, so this may have been a DWB, but I believe he also had a suspended license, and they may have known that, pulling him over, but that wasn't mentioned in the video, I don't believe.
Could that have been a factor in the stop?
Which stop and who?
The guy who got his window punched out, and then he got punched in the face.
Oh, yeah, okay.
But he had weed on him, too, though.
That guy did have, he got arrested with the face.
Was that okay?
No, that one didn't look good.
Yeah.
Well, hold on.
Let me ask you all seriousness.
If a cop punches someone who is clearly not fighting back in the face, should that cop go to jail?
Yes.
He should get assault just like everybody else.
Okay, great.
Okay, we're on the same page.
Okay.
What are the likelihood he'll get?
What's that?
What's the likelihood that he will get charged?
And I'm going to be honest with you, because you've been honest with me so far.
Because it's on camera, pretty good.
That's fair.
That's fair.
Because it's on camera, pretty good.
Fuck you.
Because it's not, if it wasn't on camera, there would be more of a difficulty of a burden of proof.
But also, because of your distrust of police, something that's happened, I think, in the positivity that people thought was going to be a bad thing is that more and more officers are getting body cams.
That's right.
And I don't know if you'll agree with me or not, but I feel that since more and more body cams have come out, you've actually seen the police are more correct and honest in their police report taking and arrests than dishonest, like astronomical.
So I want to.
Is she still talking?
Okay.
I want to agree with you and add something else.
I think the percent of cops that people regard as corrupt is far lower in reality than people have claimed.
The corrupt ones are not the ones getting bribed on the take.
That's not a significant issue.
It's the good cops that are the problem because they are the ones who will smile and nod and follow orders from politicians and do whatever they're told.
And I'll give you a very easy example.
Cops are what?
Human.
Let me finish.
I'm going to include the audience a little bit.
You're just talking the whole time.
I'm sorry.
Okay.
No, I'm just saying.
I mean, every time we make a point, should we have some people interactive and get them involved?
No, I just want to have the medicine.
I didn't come up looking like an officer of the law.
I didn't come up here to listen to Rando's.
I'm sorry.
And that includes you.
That includes you, Alex.
Why I wasn't told this.
Oh, okay.
I'm just going to say one more thing.
I want to say, Michael, you sound when you say, I'm not going to answer your questions and I don't want to hear from other people.
This is like an unreasonable position.
Okay, can I make my point?
Yes.
Thank you.
If you went back to 20, I'm not here to be reasonable.
I don't have to be reasonable.
I got a badge.
If you went back to 2019 and asked doctors, hey, would you ever give a medication to every single one of your patients, even for a disease that they can't really get?
I'd never do that.
Hippocratic oath.
Are you crazy?
That's insane.
Then COVID happened, and there were some who didn't, but they all bent the knee because doctors and like cops are human beings.
So they will always bend the knee to those in power if it means they're charging.
It's starting to hate human beings.
Yeah, I know.
I don't blame you.
You're the one must be a talking to me.
Hey guys, real quick.
I did have a part two to that.
Oh, God, I didn't really get it all out.
Oh, God.
I didn't even know you're still here, Taylor Ranch.
Oh, you scared me.
I'm scared to death.
It's like when I call in, I don't shut up.
All right.
Okay, so what can we do to get it to be normalized for police departments to drop the body cam footage sooner and faster, especially when a viral encounter like William McNeil takes place?
All right, go sit down.
It's a good question, and it's not going to be one that you want because it's going to be the real one.
So the thing is, is that whenever there's a crime that's committed, we don't want the public to overreact and then obstruct justice.
And not like in a physical aspect, but to like blame the person, whether it's the cop or the individual, for guilt.
So you have to be very careful with how much information you put out at a time.
Let's say that it's something more heinous, like a murder or a serious assault where somebody's shot.
You can blame somebody.
And social media is well known for this.
I've done a couple videos.
Angry cops.
Anyway, so you've got to be careful the amount of information that you put out and what information you put out.
And although police departments need to be responsible and react to community requests in order to once again gain the trust of the community, which is important, we also have to put the investigation above that because the victims – outstanding.
Because the victims are the most important thing when it comes to an investigation.
And look at that happen with George Floyd.
You saw just the clip at the very end.
Then when everyone saw the broader context, it's a very different story.
That's true.
All right, Dante, get your ass down here.
Where's Dante?
We can still talk while they walk, you know.
We can still talk while they walk.
We can fetch them in.
We can talk while they come up.
So what do you guys want to go ahead?
You've barely said anything, and you look like a felon out of all of us.
Appreciate that.
Is the heart tattoo for one of the bodies you've killed or one of the wieners that you've taken?
Oh, man.
As a comedian, you have to respect the joke.
I'm not kill Tony.
We're both bald?
You can find out afterwards if you want.
He is a cop, though.
Maybe don't fight a cop.
And that's how his dog got shot.
Cops kill 30 dogs a day, 10,000 a year, and no repercussions.
I'm not the age.
That's not true.
They kill 30 dogs a day.
You know what?
Shoot dogs all the time.
I know that happened.
You know, there's a blind.
No, no, no.
Assume I'm blind.
Google it yourselves.
There was a lot of dev.
There was a volume.
Blind and deaf.
Blind and deaf, 13-pound jitsu running in circles.
And the cop just shot it twice.
On video.
Because it was coming right for him.
No, no.
It was literally just running in circles.
Are you joking?
Oh, no, but like.
First of all, those numbers are inflated, and we call them ex-wives, not dogs.
All right.
All right, Dante, what do you got for us, brother?
If a cop engaged in domestic violence, he will have no repercussions.
Oh, that's a fucking lie.
Dante, let's go speak to you.
I can't lie.
I'm a cop.
Hey, what's going on, everybody?
One of the only black people here, probably most likely.
First of all, I want to give a shout out.
Get out, get out, leave.
No, I'm kidding.
No, we're kidding.
You want a long neighbor, boy?
I want to give a shout out to my lady, Madeline.
I'm sure quite a few people know her.
She's been in the Discord.
She's been making hell and all that stuff for myself.
I'm kind of new.
But I guess I don't really have a question.
Well, it kind of is a question.
I believe in a little bit more self-policing.
I think smaller communities is kind of what we need to go to.
What would you guys want to see for self-policing?
Like, what would be the extent that citizens would do their own self-policing?
How would that be structured?
And what do we want to roll back when it comes to police?
Because I think we do overextend ourselves when it comes to police.
The dependency.
I just hear people expect other men to do pro.
I got that.
I feel like dudes should not wear Crocs.
Amen.
You can't defend shit with those fucking things on.
You know what you're doing?
You call the fashion police on that.
It comes from the movie Idiocracy, by the way, Crocs.
So you should watch that movie.
That's where it came from.
Did I just get threatened by a guy with Crocs?
No, I'm not wearing Crocs, but I'm just saying.
He's a crocodile hunter.
Man, that's good.
And I'm a stingray.
Yeah, I'm scared of those fuckers.
You should be.
They're terrifying.
All right.
I think Michael's position is everybody gets a pitchfork and a torch.
My position is: I wrote an article years ago about gun mandates, meaning you're mandated to own a gun.
I like that mandate.
All right, our next challenger or person who wants to ask a question, the one, the only, Edgar the puppet.
Is Edgar the puppet here?
Come on down, Edgar the Puppet.
I know Michael loves talking to puppets.
Michael, you hate humans.
You're really going to hate this next one.
Officer Mike's a lot loves puppets.
Okay, all right.
Well, good.
Good, good.
All right.
Yeah, this is super creepy, but we're going to do this.
I'm not creepy, bitch.
Anyway, listen, I want to congratulate Alex Stein on his Ozempic use and Tim for having a great choice of headwear.
Michael for looking like Saddam Hussein and the two bald bookends just for showing up.
Thank you.
All right, Michael, I think, look, you've raised some good points, but look, man, you are from the US fucking R, USSOSR, whatever, how many initials I forget.
I think you got a lot of.
I think between the NKVD and the KGB, I think you got a lot of generational trauma that you're still dealing with, Michael.
I might be wrong.
We can hug it out later if you want.
I don't want.
I am not a cup.
I'm not a cop.
You want a puppet hug, Michael?
I do.
You do, bitch.
You need a big, firm puppet hug.
I will let you put your hand in my puppet hole if you're extra gentle.
Search it.
Search his puppet hole so hard.
I'm sorry.
I don't do gentle.
No safe words.
Listen, listen, I think...
Listen.
No, I don't listen to cops, and that's what you've identified yourself as a cop today, so you've got zero respect for me.
You should listen to them.
You just shouldn't talk to them.
It's not the same.
Listen.
You sound like my wife?
I think.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Did I be ready tomorrow?
You sound like me now.
Listen, okay.
All of you, in a recent episode of my wonderful YouTube channel, Ask America with Edgar, I was kicked out of the national zoo lately by police officers.
I was unfortunately racially profiling animals, and they did not like that, and they kicked my ass out.
Please, I encourage you to view the episode because YouTube is throttling it big time.
Regardless, though, those cops were friendly.
They were doing their job as they ushered me out and threw me onto the street.
So, Rich, you know, not all of them are bad.
They're not all bad.
But the point is, if someone friendly tells you you can't see your mom in the nursing home as she dies, it's not the attitude that's the problem.
They're doing their job correctly.
That was the only characters, though.
Michael, everyone can help themselves.
Michael, everyone during COVID was being an absolute cockhole except for everyone in this room.
Yeah.
Everyone.
So, who the fuck can't wait a minute?
If everyone is being a cockhole, they're being a cockhole.
Doesn't excuse them.
What are you talking about?
Well, I'm not saying, I think, I think that you might be steering us towards some sort of libertarian madness where there aren't enough rules.
I think somehow we have to find a middle ground.
Maybe.
What does that even mean?
What kind of rules are there if you want to say hi to your mom in the nursing home?
The rules are you sign in and show ID.
That's the rules.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
I don't know.
You don't go to jail because you don't want her to, because she doesn't want to die alone.
Yeah.
I didn't hear that.
Let them in because walls don't work.
Yeah.
I think somehow before the end of the evening, I would like to see you and Rich kiss.
That's all.
I just want to get down to that home point.
I'm going to start keeping kosher again to make sure it doesn't happen.
All right.
All right.
Well, thank you very much, guys.
Thank you.
Give it up for Edgar the puppet, everybody.
Oh, yeah.
I'm only here because my cuddle buddy Alex Stein told my ass to come.
Otherwise, I would have stayed home.
Yeah, no, because I'm going to be in that puppet hole in a few minutes after the show.
That's fine.
I cannot wait for your wriggling fingers to send me home, buddy.
Get out, sit down.
Give it up for Edgar.
Everybody go watch his YouTube channel.
All right, next.
Finally, a woman, even though I think we had a fake woman already.
Hey, I'm right here.
Well, two fake women.
All right, Madeline, come on down.
Madeline, hurry, hurry, hurry.
Where are you at, Madeline?
Give it up for these lady.
We've had two.
That's the waitress, guys.
Give it up for the waitress as well.
Is Madeline here?
I don't even.
Did I see it?
Is that her?
Look at her.
Right over here.
Right over here.
Yeah, right over here.
Come on over.
Go to the homeless looking M ⁇ M, Madeline.
Yeah.
Stand on this nice, ominous X we have on the floor here.
You have one minute.
I'm not sure what my question is.
Wait, what?
You got anything for us?
Why don't you put your name in the bucket?
Well, I told them all to.
Listen, have you ever been pulled over by a cop before, not knowing what the fuck was going on?
Now it's your time to ask that question.
He's right here.
Tell him how you feel.
Tell me how you feel.
Tell him how small his dick is.
It's like a thimble.
Tell him how he has to do this job because he has a perpetual.
Oh, big word for violence.
So my question for Michael is: how are police a necessary evil as they enforce our freedom and they help us keep our freedom?
I don't understand the question.
Why are police a necessary evil?
I was saying for the sake of this debate, I'll say the police are necessary evil because people are of the belief, and I'm not going to argue against that today, that but for the police, we would have like 2020 with 24-7.
So you're avoiding my question?
Sure.
I don't understand the question, to be honest.
What part are you confused about?
The necessary part or the evil part?
A necessary evil.
I think they're necessary, and I don't think they're doing anything that goes against what Americans do believe in.
Okay.
A lot of Americans believe in stupid things.
A lot of Americans thought that if you stand six feet apart, you can't catch a disease, which makes absolutely no sense, right?
A lot of Americans, 48% of them, thought Officer Harris would be a great president.
I strongly disagree.
And half of those people would be on your jury if you were facing one.
So keep that in mind if you're going to fight a charge.
Michael River is 98% on your jury in D.C.
Well, sure, in D.C., right, yeah.
You're going to prison.
Yeah, you're going to prison.
As to why they're an evil, the point is, if someone is a sociopath, as I think all politicians are, and you take it as your job, I'm not a sociopath.
I'm just going to do whatever they tell me to do.
That's not the actions of a moral person.
That's the actions of someone who's handed over their conscience to people who they know are evil or may not know are evil human beings.
Well, I think police officers take the job because they think they're doing something to help people.
That's true.
I think a lot of them, just, you know what?
Here's another example, the military.
A lot of people, and probably some in this room, join the military because they think, okay, I want to protect my country.
I want to help my community.
I want to keep America free and safe.
And that's very commendable.
And then many people in the military are like, what the fuck am I doing here?
I was completely lied to.
But the thing is, you can't quit the military because you're going to get court martial to possibly go to jail, but you could quit the police force at any time.
And how many of them walked during COVID?
Very, very few.
They were more than happy to tell you, fuck you, you're not going to be able to say goodbye to your loved ones because I need my paycheck.
All right.
Thank you.
Thank you, Madeline.
Now our next person, give it up for Madeline, everybody.
Now our next guy, I like this already, Joey Cannoli.
Joey?
Yeah.
The worst dessert.
Let's go, Joey.
He called in on the show.
Everybody likes sugar cheese.
All right, Joey, you got one minute, bro.
Another flat brim.
Yo, what the fuck is up, Tim Cash?
Yo!
So I've been thinking about how laws are ridiculous.
I think that the laws literally only exist so the government can come after normal citizens.
I'm okay with this guy so far.
Because every time a politician or a big corporation breaks a fucking law, you have to have a grocery list of things to go after them for.
But when it's a normal citizen knocking over a fence to the Capitol, they will fucking track you down.
What was the question?
There is no question.
I'm making a statement.
Hell yeah.
Come on down, Joey.
Come on down for three minutes.
Hurry, get your ass down here.
All right, guys, give it up for Joey.
He's going up.
Joey.
All right, Joey.
You know, there was a report that I've said before from 2005.
I think it was.
Is that Joey?
City.
That's Joey.
Nice to meet you.
Citigroup said that we live in a plutonomy where the interests of the public don't matter.
And if the majority of the people said something should be illegal, politicians don't give a shit.
But if around 30% of wealthy individuals decide it's illegal, it will be.
So big corporations, politicians, powerful unions never get held accountable.
But regular people will get tossed in jail for jaywalking.
Two-cheer justice system.
Which brings me back to my original point.
Don't wear Crocs.
Joey, what do you got for us, Joey?
I was just thinking about how it's wild how we need to come up with these big laundry lists of things to arrest some politicians or corporate leaders on because they constantly break the law all the fucking time.
Here's why it's not the cops' fault necessarily.
Oh, okay.
Stop the fucking presses.
Yep.
If the politicians passed a law to stop the presses, the cops would be more than happy to enforce it.
They have no respect for any amendments, including the first or the second.
Because the First Amendment also included the right to peaceably assemble.
And it was never enforced during COVID.
I got to stop you there, Michael, because you're wrong.
The police had no problem during COVID enforcing things that weren't even laws.
Oh, that's correct.
Sure.
In fact, you and I got into an argument on your show because I was calling something law.
You're like, shut up.
No, it's not a law.
It's like an edict.
Which one?
I don't know.
Probably.
Governor from New York, she had some kind of ruling.
Right.
And you're like, it's not a law.
Stop calling it a law.
It was not even level of law.
She just decreed.
Decrease.
Decreed.
Decree.
And the cops were like, you got it.
So the point I was making with Joey's point is wealthy people will always have better access to justice because they're going to have better lawyers.
And there's nothing you can do around it.
Unless you go full communists and just have everyone have a shake.
Oh, bro, it gets better than that.
They don't even need the lawyers.
Sometimes when the prosecutors find out they're going up against a guy with millions of dollars, they say, are we going to be able to win this?
Why are we going to waste the resources?
So that's like part of the problem is that there's no enforcement wing against people who have a lot of assets and wealth.
There's nothing else.
Unless it's a public spectacle.
Yes.
Unless it's something they can actually, you know, like, for example, Donald Trump, like they were, they would obviously, he's trying to go at the system.
So of course they're going to try to do all they can.
What if, real quick, what if we just got rid of the rich people and took all their stuff and distributed it evenly among everybody?
Well, no, he has a good point, though.
Well, I want to say my very good friend, Joe Exotic, the Tiger King.
We love him, but he got famous after he went to prison.
If he would have gotten famous before and he had the money to actually fight in his case with a good criminal defense attorney, his outcome would have been totally different.
And he almost got punned by Trump.
Oh, come on.
He needs to get pardoned.
Trump pardoned Joe Exotic.
You let Kodak Black out.
Hold on.
But he didn't get pardoned because he had money.
He got pardoned because he was in the public specter.
It's different than money.
We were talking about Kodak Black.
But this is the point.
So Joe Exotic hasn't been pardoned.
We need him to get pardoned.
This is a good point.
You bring up the rich.
Currency isn't just cash.
Get out of here, Joey.
Thank you, guys.
Give it up for Joey.
Thanks, Joe.
All right.
One of the cultural issues that I think is a big problem is people who have large followings get what they want from corporations, from governments, because they can create fear of public pressure.
All right.
So to kind of go against what he was saying, where he's like, everybody that's got a bunch of money gets arrested, but they get away with it.
A lot of people with no money get arrested and get away with it.
That's true.
If you go to New York State, specifically the city of Buffalo, the one that I police, the amount of people that get picked up with illegal firearms, not to say that they're carrying concealed in a legal manner.
I'm saying like people that do it in like for drug sales, for other illegal activities, parts of gangs.
Their intent is to shoot another person, right?
The amount of people that get youthful offender status, juvenile offender status, and have the second or third or fourth gun thrown away because they're from a socioeconomical people.
And it's completely different.
We have to understand.
No, no, no.
I'm saying because of crimes they committed, not because of that.
I'm saying specifically because of gang violence, honing in just on gang violence and drug activity.
The amount of people that have no money that get public defenders where the prosecutor's office, the district attorney's office, is like, there's too fucking many of them.
We're going to drop down their, I put a gun to a guy's head and said, I'm going to fucking kill you.
And then the cop showed up and stopped him.
And we're going to knock it down to attempted assault.
So many thousands more than Enron, who eventually got killed.
You can take everything you said to the bank as gospel because it's completely true.
And it's really, really scary because if everyone in this room, I was just naive.
I thought, if something happens to me, I go to DA and they're going to pursue it.
And the amount of crimes, like actual indisputable crimes that DAs pursue is such a small number.
So this justice system is just there as a wealth extraction mechanism for the people in government.
It is not there to keep you safe.
Please carry and have a firearm.
So the funny thing about all of this is that I could be wrong.
You lost me at wealth extraction, but okay.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that if every single person who went before a judge on a crime requested a jury trial, the system would implode.
Because it takes a lot of time.
That's impossible.
You do a lot of stuff.
And to quote Officer Law Enforcement, yes, some of these people are made up of people that are inside of your community, which are dumb.
And a specific example is that is we had a gang rape on video, Facebook live streamed, and of a special needs girl who was 16, the video of it, video of it, and five guys were involved.
Two of them were juveniles.
And the kidnapping was thrown out.
Or I'm sorry, the rape was thrown out, but the kidnapping stood because one person thought that even though she was kidnapped, she could still consent to sex.
I'm 100% serious.
One person thought that even though you're kidnapped, you can still consent to sex.
So that person would not go forward with the rape charges of the five people that raped a special needs girl on camera with her crying, no, stop.
That hurts.
I'm starting to hate human beings again.
It's pretty easy to.
All right, AK Romanation.
A.K. Romanation.
Let's go.
Come on down.
What do you got for us, AK?
From AK Nation, I'd like very much to put people against wall.
Wall knows justice.
All right, brother, you got one minute.
What's going on, guys?
I can't see anything.
What's up?
I heard that.
You don't have to ask us how we're doing.
We've been together for the past hour.
You know what we're doing?
We've been arguing, sir.
Come up here, ask a question or debate us.
Let's go.
Gotcha.
All right.
So from 17 to 31, I was pulled over 22 times.
Jesus.
Yeah.
So are you black?
Yeah, I can't tell.
Are you black, sir?
Maybe.
He's not.
So that means we're equal.
I'm going to get a paternity test.
But so.
So I don't understand.
Oh, he's Asian.
That's why he's bad at driving.
Hold on.
All right.
So seven of those times were because I was just being stupid.
I was young, you know, speeding, running through stop signs, things like that.
But I never really got an explanation from all of the rest of them.
So my question is, what is the legal process in which law enforcement can pull you over?
And second, this is kind of like off on the side.
The scanning of a license plate of an individual who's not committing a crime, is that a violation of your Fourth Amendment right?
All right.
Come on up.
Come on up, AK.
That's good.
Give it up.
Get up for AK.
We can answer.
All right, I'll go first.
All right.
So the reason why you're given a ticket, the explanation is on the ticket.
Here's the ticket.
This is what you're ticketed for.
There's the explanation.
They may not have said it to you in person, which is odd.
Normally I would do that as a courtesy, but it's on the ticket.
When they give you the ticket, there's the reason why they stopped you.
For the, I scan your plate or I type down your license plate without pulling you over or having anything prior to.
The license plate in New York State and all other states is owned by the state.
You're renting the plate from the state.
The state is the state, or the plate is the state's property.
So I, as a representative of the law enforcement agency within that state, can then run it.
And if you are a suspended, if the registration is suspended or there's no inspection or the inspection expired or a large thing is that car or the registration that comes back is stolen, then I can pull it over.
So anybody that would like to say, if you run the plate without them doing anything, that's bad and illegal, I would then ask you, well, how are we supposed to catch stolen vehicles when the registered owner puts that plate out as stolen?
Yeah, now, are they now legally, they're supposed to tell you why they pulled you over, right?
Oh, you're black.
I knew this was coming.
So there's a time and a place.
Because you get pulled over, it doesn't mean you get to demand that they tell you right then and there for the reason of the stop.
And like I said, in the most extreme situation, if they don't say anything, then the ticket that they give you is the reason for the stop, which normally they would explain and say, here's a ticket.
It's for speeding.
You can choose guilty or not guilty.
Here's how you do it.
Right, right.
Now, so go ahead.
Quick, quick follow-up question.
Honest question.
What would happen if I got pulled over and just kept my window rolled up and said nothing?
The sovereign citizen kind of.
No, no, no, no, just literally, I remain silent.
I won't talk to you.
And I just sat there and did nothing.
You're paying clear.
Yeah, Sony said that.
So on body cam.
So when you're stopped by police in New York State, because I can speak for that because I know that you are required to show identification and your license for traveling on New York State throughways, thoroughfares in the city, et cetera, because tax dollars paid for the city's roads, the states, thoroughfares, etc.
So if I pull you over and you refuse to answer any questions, that's one thing.
If you keep the window rolled up and refuse to show ID, which is required of you and you sign an agreement when you take your driver's test and get your ID, then it would be obstruction and I could arrest you for obstruction.
So likely, most states, though, obstruction is a lesser violation charge.
So I might break out your window and tow your car or break out your window and pull you out, but then I would give you a violation level ticket.
So a person could, if they get pulled over, crack their window a little bit, when you walk up, just hand the license insurance or registration and then say nothing, and that's all they have to do.
To quote officer from the law enforcement, all you have to do is provide your ID so you can crack the window and hand it them.
Keep your hands up on the wheel so the officer doesn't feel freaked out.
Say nothing.
Can you slap it on the glass with your finger up?
You can.
Just a question.
You can.
I would, though, however, I would like to get that ID in my hand because people can fake IDs.
Okay.
So the officer.
They want to have it in their hands.
We want to have it in our hands.
And if you want to go.
What's that?
Is that like a lore?
A requirement?
I don't know.
Can I argue?
Can I argue that you can see it from the corner?
No, but you have to hand it over.
So that would be something you'd have to fight in the courts, right?
So it's not worth it.
It's not worth it because the legal requirement for me to say, I don't know if that ID is fake.
He's just showing me a photo ID.
I want to hold it in my hands.
I want to check and make sure it's a valid ID.
That'd be the same as if somebody didn't have their ID and you had to give them some kind of information, though, right?
Correct.
Yeah, right.
Can I say something or are you going to yell at me again?
I meant Sam.
Tim yelled at me, not you.
No, we didn't yell at you.
Okay.
Alex yelled at me.
I was just trying to, you know, get this show going.
Hold on.
When I was a kid, because I'm the oldest person probably on this platform.
Probably not, but anyway.
Because I'm an ancient evil from times immemorial.
People used to sneeze in their hands, and then you shake hands, and people get sick.
And then there was a big campaign, hey, sneeze into your elbow.
And everyone's like, oh, shit, why are we sneezing at our hands, right?
So my point is, everyone thinks speeding tickets is just something you do.
But if you stop and think about it, it makes no sense.
Because if I, what speedy tickets are, are a way to fuck over poor people and a way to get money for the government.
If I'm a danger, like if I'm a DUI, you pull me over, I shouldn't be driving.
Hey, you know, read Hitler.
He did in Autobahn.
They had no speed limits.
Great contribution, Alex.
But they did.
I mean, Hitler was right about you.
Well, you could drive as fast as you wanted.
So you pointed him.
Point being, if I'm wealthy, the speed ticket's not going to matter.
But if I'm extremely poor, that $100 is going to make a big difference one way or another.
And it's very fucked up.
What is going on here?
It's very fucked up that this is something that happens.
And there's no other situation where they just give you a ticket.
Maybe we could take all the money from the rich people and then evenly distribute it out to everybody.
Or maybe if somebody commits a crime that's not hurting anyone or it's actually threatening people, you give them a warning enough times.
You're not allowed to drive.
But the ticket in this situation is only ways to regressively tax supporters.
Speeding is potentially hurting somebody.
Everything's potentially hurting somebody.
Okay, that's a good fucking argument.
There are certain countries, though, that shit.
Those potentially hurt somebody.
Oh, you're going to say a great point.
Go ahead.
I know.
Yeah, yeah.
So there are certain countries.
I believe some Scandinavian countries that have it on a tier system.
So the tickets are based off of how much you make.
That's better.
That makes more sense.
That makes a hell of a lot more sense.
That's communism.
All right, guys.
Give it up for AK Roma.
Thank you, AK.
His hand's so sweaty.
All right, Steven Sharper.
Steven Shapper.
Is that what it is?
Steven Shapper, I see you over there.
Come on down.
Let's go, guys.
Give it up for Steven.
Give it up, everybody.
Hurry.
Thank you.
It would be nice to give a speeding ticket to somebody in an Aston Martin and for them to be like, fuck, instead of, I'll pay this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Parking tickets, too.
In Chicago at Wrigley Field, people intentionally double park because a $50 parking ticket is cheaper than parking tickets.
It's just a fee.
Parking is different than speeding.
For sure, for sure.
But it's.
I used to get tickets for being on a train in Australia without having a ticket because I didn't want to buy a ticket.
And when they would give me the ticket, I would act like it wasn't a lot of money, but it was.
But I was just trying to piss them off.
You look like a guy that really likes trains.
The service trainable.
If anybody, how did you take that?
Autism.
Autism.
All right, Stephen, what do you got for us, brother?
Hey, how's everybody doing?
Don't ask us that, okay?
I'm going to ask you.
Whatever you have to say, say your point or debate.
You see how we're doing.
We're going to try to do a date.
Dan Alex.
Is Alex a cop?
Kind of.
I'm the show cop.
I'm trying to make this thing wrong.
Okay, okay, okay.
Here's the question.
Here's the question, right?
All right, so since we have kind of varying opinions here up on the stage, what would reorganization of different police departments, such as the NYCPD, look like so that way it more aligns with societal norms, i.e., more federalization, more bringing it down to the basic levels of the bureaus?
Or is it just too far gone and we just got to replace everybody with big booty lateness?
Yeah, we love that.
That made no sense.
You said NYCP.
You mean NYPD, right?
We all understood.
Okay.
I didn't.
I don't know.
New York Citizens Patrol.
You know what NYCPD means?
CPD means no buttons.
Frankly, if the NYPD or the NYCPD was doing like how I would like it, there'd be a lot fewer politicians around, if you know what I mean.
Okay, our next person.
Yeah, that question sucked.
Go sit down.
That's all right.
Donnie Dossie.
Who's Donnie Dossie?
Donnie, you here?
Oh, that was good.
He's already here.
He's already here.
Awesome.
All right, Donnie, you got a minute.
What's up, brother?
All right.
All right.
How are we doing?
I'm not going to ask that question.
I'm asking you.
How are you doing?
How am I doing?
You know, I'm having a free time.
Don't answer questions.
All right, all right, all right, all right.
Exactly.
All right, so here's the deal: I'm shitty with names, so I'm pointing at pornstash cop guy.
There's two porn stashes.
Pornstash cop.
Okay.
All right.
Not you.
You and I are on the same page.
We got the bald head.
We were there.
All right.
So I heard you earlier.
All right.
So I think everybody can agree here that we've all encountered an asshole cop or two in our lifetimes.
I have.
I've worked with enough.
But for the most part, cops really aren't that bad.
They're not assholes.
Now, I'm hearing pornstash sitting here saying that no cops are ever held accountable.
However, I would argue that's not true, especially when we have cops that are being held accountable for merely following their trainings, such as Derek Chauvin.
Derek Chauvin was not held accountable.
Jared Chauvin was railroaded.
I agree.
He's railroaded, but they call it accountability.
Besides, I really wanted to get to Alex.
I really wanted to get to Alex here.
Yeah, I think he was a murderer.
Alex.
Yes, Donnie.
So you were asking him if he felt guilty about conducting interviews or whatever after reading the Omar writes and whatnot.
Okay, okay.
You're amazing in what you do.
I know.
I'm kissing your ass right now.
Thank you.
Okay, okay.
Do you feel bad?
Do you feel bad about being better at your job than other people are at theirs?
Yeah, actually, I do because I'm empathetic because I'm a superstar and I see some of these other people.
And I feel like, you know, then you guys will never know what it's like to live in space with me and the aliens.
No, what do the fuck do you wait?
What are you trying to do?
Are you trying to troll me right now, dude?
All right.
Here's what I'm trying to do.
Here's my point.
Here's my point.
I work in sales.
He works as a cop.
His job is to get suspects to speak.
The suspect's job is to not speak.
Should he feel bad about being better at his job than the suspect is at theirs?
Because the suspect's an average person.
Yeah.
We're all average people.
No, we're not.
Speak for yourself, buddy.
My guess, let me ask you.
And I don't think you're average.
And there's been probably not.
I'm above average.
I appreciate it.
And tell me if I'm wrong, Rich.
There's probably been not one example of a time where you told the guy, hey, stop talking to me and get a lawyer.
Have you ever said that?
Have you miranderized somebody and said, you know what, actually, don't talk to me.
Your best interest would be, say, I need a lawyer.
Have you ever gave?
No.
And a cop never would.
But that would be the best for them and their safety and their day in court.
Wouldn't that always be the best option not to talk to a cop?
It depends.
If you're a suspect, probably your best thing.
If you're a suspect.
Yeah, well, if you're a victim, you talk to a cop.
I'm talking about just if you're a suspect, if you're being considered as a, they want to charge you with a crime, it never benefits you to talk to a cop 0% of the time.
And this is what they say.
And this is Rich will say.
They say, oh, you know what?
You need it to be, if you're good to us now, oh, we're going to tell the judge and the DA and they're going to take it easy on you.
The judge and DA don't give a fuck.
They don't give a shit.
I'm going to agree.
You shouldn't be talking to cops without lawyers.
But at the same time, I'm not going to say that he's doing a bad job by keeping it.
It's not saying a bad job.
That's the problem.
I said the honest cops were the ones who are the problem, not the corrupt ones.
There are a few corrupt ones.
It's the honest ones who are the problem.
A few corrupt ones.
I appreciate it.
I was afraid of a girl's bike once.
I needed it.
It was my trains.
It was the only bike I could find, and it was raining, and the cops pulled me over while I was pedaling down the road at one in the morning on a girl's pink bike.
And they said, where did you get that?
And I said, it's my sister's.
And then he said, come on, man, be honest.
Are you lying?
And I was like, all right, I stole it.
And then he fucking arrested me, fucking asshole.
That's entrapment.
I also want to make another serious point, which is this.
People might think, okay, like, but legal system worked out.
I'll tell the truth.
If the choice you're facing is to plea and get three years in jail or roll the dice with 12 on a jury and possibly look at 40, a lot of you would take the three.
I probably would.
So what he's talking about with those interrogations is you're forcing that person into a situation where it's three versus life.
And of course you're going to admit to being guilty to something you didn't do because the alternative is much, much worse.
Hold on.
So you're kind of pigeonholing the argument.
When it's an agreement for a plea, that means that the defense gets all of the evidence from the prosecution.
They get to go over it.
Sure.
They get to determine, hey, here's what they have to prove that you did it.
And then they get to decide.
That's not something the police officer there is investigating gets to do.
That's something at like the very assured point is justice because the interview is the evidence.
So you could talk your way into something that'll be very, very hard to get out of.
Sorry, sorry, say that again.
You're very nervous, and we've all been nervous, being a job interview, and maybe your story differs in some details.
Now they can say, look, you told the cop here you go in the supermarket.
Here you said they're going to 7-Eleven.
Now you're lying.
So now we got you, and you said you didn't like this person.
That's motive.
So listen, we could put you away for life, or we could just have you for two years.
What's it going to be?
You know, I actually don't think it works out that way, to be honest.
The idea that in most circumstances, they're going to say, aha, you confused something.
In my experience, which actually happened to me, is they just said, quite literally, I don't give a fuck what you think.
I'm going to say whatever I want.
Oh, sure.
Okay.
Like, the idea they're going to go, aha, I finally caught you.
Oh, you're not going to admit it.
No, but I mean, like, they don't need an excuse.
I agree.
They're just going to say, bro, I'm going to accuse you.
I'm trying to stealman the composition.
Yeah.
Okay.
What do you got, Jason?
The gay cop wants to say something.
Oh, God.
God, I have a question.
Okay, Michael, you're a capitalist, correct?
No.
I'm an anarcho-capitalist.
So, no, no, I'm not an anarcho-capitalist.
So, this is really, that's not correct.
Sorry, I'm sorry.
I'm not trying to pigeonhole you.
You are.
No, I'm not.
I'm asking a legitimate case.
If I answered two of those questions, and now we're done.
He's an anarcho-centrist.
I do not think capitalism is a defensible term.
Do you think that a free market is positive?
Yes.
Would you prefer a free market over anything else?
I don't know.
I'd have to think about it.
Okay, well, I'll give you a scenario.
No.
I'm not answering questions from a cop.
If you're a person that has, if you're a person of sound mind and sound body and you choose to make a business decision with all the information in front of you, how is that a bad thing?
Because if I'm a police officer saying, here are your rights, and here's all the information in front of you, is that not capitalism?
Is that not giving you all the information that's necessary and available to you?
I already told him for you to make a choice and then you choose it.
So I literally told you I find capitalism an indefensible term and now you're proceeding as if I'm for capitalism.
I did.
I just asked you a question.
I didn't say that.
That's how you thought.
I said, is that an example of capitalism?
Sure.
I don't know.
All right.
Next victim, Rolf Hendricks.
Is Rolf Hendricks here?
Rolf, come on down, Rolf.
And don't ask us how we're doing.
It's not one.
Yeah, start off with a weight.
If I only get one minute, I'm going to err on the side of inclusiveness.
I have a question that includes everyone.
What would it take for you to adopt the complete opposite position of what you're adopting right now?
Paint us a colorful picture of what you're doing.
I'm a milk-toast Spenceitter, so I'll go either way.
I don't know what the opposite of my position means that cops aren't human beings, and I think that would take a lot for me to guilt that position.
Wait, Michael, have you never been in like a dark alley or something, and you see like five black dudes and you wish there was a cop there?
Like, have you ever been in a situation where you want a cop there?
Statistically speaking.
I have, I grew up in New York.
Yeah, this is a shit.
So I remember New York before Giuliani.
And what happened is it wouldn't be necessarily black people.
It was also Hispanics.
There's also a white police.
I didn't say white.
I said Hispanic.
It was black.
Come on, don't put words in my mouth, officer.
Point being, yes, there are things that are worse than the police.
Like I said, cops are human beings.
They're not the worst thing ever.
And certainly, like, gangs which can roam around with impunity are much worse than the police.
But the police are just a different type of gang.
They're a gang you approve of.
So, right, so let me ask you this from the audience member's question.
What degree of violence or crime or what in society would make you say, you know what?
I want a police force out.
I want a lot more security.
I think our system is a very poor way of getting.
So that's all I'm saying.
Is the question, you think there is, an honest question, there is no circumstance where you would want the police.
There are many cases I would want the police because the police are creating a situation where they're the only answer.
For example, if you kidnap me and you give me food, yeah, I want your food.
I understand.
The question is, is there a circumstance where you would agree, you know what?
Because something has happened, I want the government institute police department.
Let's say there's no police at all.
Could something happen where you say we should establish a police force?
Like a monopolistic government.
Sure, like if there's some kind of like war, like we're just leaving war.
Like Germany's bombed out at the end of World War II, right?
People are stealing food.
There's no whatever.
If in that emergency situation, like, all right, we're going to have a mandated some kind of insane security system.
Yeah, that makes sense to me.
Well, that would be martial law, wouldn't it?
We already have that.
If you could in place it, you would employ martial law.
All right, sit your ass down.
Next person.
Denzel Wright.
Is Denzel Wright here?
Come on down, Denzel.
I like this.
Very urban-sounding name.
Denzel, when you grab the mic, you need to do a Denzel Washington impression right away.
I want you to say, get your hands off me.
So I got to ask my question.
What are your thoughts on ICE?
And what if we didn't have ICE to be sending the big booty Latinas to Alligator Alcatraz?
Well, don't you?
I feel like you would support federalized government in some aspect of protecting borders.
Why do you feel the constant need to ascribe views to me?
I'm asking.
I'm saying, would you?
I feel like.
Can you answer my question?
What's that?
Why do you feel the constant need to ascribe views to me?
Because I don't know what you think about things.
I want to ask you questions to see how you think.
But you're framing it in such a way that you're presuming my answer.
Well, I said, I feel.
That's why I said I feel that this might be something, and you can dispute it.
Sure, but your feelings are the problem.
Because when cops are implementing the law and they're having a bad day, they're going to take their feelings out on the side of your head.
Facts don't care about your feelings, folks.
Mr. Mellis, are you, do you support ICE?
I think having open borders is disastrous for America.
Yeah.
However, I'm going to say one more point.
I had Owen Schroyer on my show, and this is Owen's words, not mine.
And Owen went to Jeff.
He's one of the January 6th Martyrs.
He's hardly on the left.
And his whole point is, if you have someone here who's working on a farm for like 20 years, like this is not my priority to take them and deport them.
And he goes, this is going to backfire really badly in the Republican Party.
And I don't think he's entirely wrong.
I think the bigger issue...
That's why big booty Latinas get to stay.
No, no.
I think the bigger issue instead of the illegal immigrants is birthright citizenship.
That's what's attracting people to the people.
So let me ask you this question.
Should we have a privatized immigration enforcement system?
It would be more effective, don't you think?
So, but is that yes?
Like each local jurisdiction.
What do you mean by we?
Should the people who live in various communities upon themselves create private enterprise that would be supported by individuals who had subscribed to the service to go to businesses and go to homes and take people who are here illegally and deport them?
No, I don't think it should be done in a community because that's not going to be effective, right?
It's private businesses.
But my point is if it's...
And then people have to pay for it.
Right, but my point is if they're just looking at Austin and I know that they're going to be bad in Austin as an illegal immigrant, I'm just going to go to San Antonio or somewhere else.
So unless it's some kind of federal border thing, it's really going to have an insane amount of loopholes.
So should the people then should there be some federal jurisdiction?
Like federal behavior.
Federal private companies that do immigration enforcement, who pays for it?
Like, who's the customer?
If you're going to have a national government, you're going to have some taxation defined.
In your view, with no police, and we want to enforce immigration.
Wait, wait, no, no, no.
In my view, there's just no government police.
There's still private police.
Agreed.
Agreed.
So in this system of private police.
But the thing is, in my view, there's no birthright citizenship.
Everything's private.
A lot of these issues kind of fall by the wayside because you could hire to fire whoever you want.
Even if they just walked across the border then?
Right.
So there'd be tons of people who weren't from you just coming here without any laws.
But also, there'll be tons of people who aren't getting free welfare.
They're already getting free schooling.
They're already getting driver's licenses.
They're not getting all these other things.
So the number of people who come here, the problems with the immigrants isn't necessarily like that stereotypical guy who's like outside Home Depot wants a job.
It's the people who are just here to be on the dole and then to raise their kids to vote Democrats.
So in the system where currently polling shows that most people, and this is across the board, even CNN finds this, want illegal immigrants deported.
Sure, and I'm not against that.
Who is the customer base to hire a private immigration company?
So I don't know that that would work in a private private mechanism.
So then how is it?
Let me finish.
Because there's not any individual who's the victim, right?
Agreed.
So if there is, like, if you get killed and you have like a private security, they're going to track down your killer.
But this is something that's a societal issue.
So it has to be handled societally.
So if you have a system where law enforcement is privatized, everybody, or I should say in the majority of the country, most people are like, we all agree these people shouldn't be here.
Unfortunately, there's no mechanism by which.
I don't think I'm going to disagree with you slightly.
This is something called revealed preferences, right?
So people might say, you know, I'm for this issue, but as soon as they see that footage on TV, all of a sudden they're against it.
So people speak out of both minds on many issues.
So ostensibly, people are going to support the illegal immigrants, but when they see that grandma on TV, all of a sudden, oh, no, no, no, no.
Okay, so in this hypothetical scenario where everybody agrees, people who enter here illegally or in violation of the will of the market and the community, we want them removed, it doesn't sound like you can do it.
Well, it's also that it wouldn't really be a problem.
It doesn't matter if there's a problem.
It matters what the, like we're all here right now and we're like, hey, we got to throw this guy out, but no one can do it.
This guy's here heck.
I can't say no one can do it.
Right now, who pays for it?
If someone wants, you want to get somebody out of this place, anyone could do it.
So in this system, then, it would just be incumbent upon the citizenry to be like, we're going to go out and we're going to grab people and remove them.
But I don't think there'll be that many people to remove.
That's not the argument.
That's not the question.
Can I finish?
No, because you're changing.
Amber Duke.
Come on down.
Amber Duke.
The question I have is, right now, the perception is illegal immigrants shouldn't be here.
That's not the perception.
Okay, a hypothetical scenario where people don't want illegal immigrants here.
How do you enforce it if there's no customer base?
There can be no private solution in that regard.
What about 100 jobs?
A bunch of vigilantes.
There's different kinds of illegal immigrants.
So these kind of questions conflate different things, right?
So it does matter because people are certainly willing to put resources to someone who's a member of a gang, but they might ostensibly be forgetting rid of that grandma.
But let me finish.
I've asked you a very specific question you will not answer.
Correct, I won't.
You won't.
So I guess I win the debate.
You win the debate.
Tim wins the debate.
Give it over Tim Boole.
All right, guys.
Frequent Tim Cash.
Yes, the one, the only Amber Duke.
And I wanted Amber to come up here because, Rich, one thing we can admit, like, women cops suck, right?
You can admit that.
I call for eliminating female cops this week.
Ann Culture calls them girl cops, which is appropriately demeaning.
Lady cops.
Yeah, lady cops.
It's always a woman that'll always take another woman down.
Or jealousy.
She's got authority over me.
Was that your question, Amber?
No, my question is on the point about the good cops who follow orders being the problem more so than the politicians.
No, more so than the bad cops.
Well, more so than the bad cops.
Yes, not more so than the politicians, please.
Okay, fair.
Yeah, because, I mean, I guess my point then, rather than my question, would be that politicians and the elected officials who make the laws or the DAs who decide to prosecute are the much bigger problem because if you use the analogy of the deep state, right?
Yeah, I agree with you.
Right?
The issue is that we would say people who are unelected bureaucrats who don't follow what the Trump administration wants to do, for example, are the problem.
And the people who would follow what the Trump administration wants to do are the ones who are the good ones.
But for some reason, in your opinion, when we elect politicians or we elect DAs, suddenly the cops who follow what the people elected to do are the issue.
No, they're part of the issue.
So as I said earlier, if I hire Tim to kill Alex, we're both at blame.
But I'm saying the majority of people elected into AA.
The majority is of no relevance.
Our Constitution.
So, but if the majority elect the president and then the unelected bureaucrats don't follow what the president did, then that's.
I would have been very happy if the unelected bureaucrats defied Biden, for example.
Second of all, by design, the people do not elect the president.
We have an electoral college because the founding fathers were very much scared that voters would have too much power.
So they elect electors and electors elect the president.
And this might be a minor issue, in your opinion, or other others, but the popular vote is not the determining factor, or else we would have President Hillary, which I'm sure you wouldn't like.
So what the majority want, it's first of all, it's also the majority of voters, is of no relevance when it comes to my rights.
Freedom means I do what you want, not what you want, or a majority of people want.
I punched a female cop once.
That's awesome.
You know, I was going to say you looked like it, but I didn't want to be rude.
Is she hot?
Yeah, she was.
Yeah, she's pretty hot.
She's not hot anymore.
It wasn't a great punch.
I was really drunk.
Is that why you escaped Australia?
Let me finish.
I don't want to.
I'm just pretending to be an asshole.
No, I was in an I was in an alleyway in a street fight and somebody I had hair.
God damn it.
I hate the fucking past.
But I feel.
Somebody pulled my hair and I span around and punched him and it was a female police officer.
And when she hit the deck, I was like, oh, fuck.
Because I didn't mean it.
You know what I mean?
If I hadn't known, I would not have thrown that punch.
But then I ran away because I got scared.
I assaulted a police officer.
And I hate admitting this, but she caught me.
She outran me.
I was drunk.
You deserved to be there.
Yeah, fuck.
I had it.
Oh, there's way more that came after that.
I got punished pretty bad.
She tripped me over.
I fell on the ground.
Then she got me up against the wall and she put handcuffs, my hands above my head, and she kneed me in the butt, and it made my balls hit the wall.
Yeah.
And then when my balls hit the wall, it made me lean forward and headbutt the wall.
So it was a fucking sweet combo that she gave me.
And then when I went to jail, all the other police officers, they put handcuffs around the back of my hamstrings.
So I was on my face and on my knees on the ground.
And then she beat me up with a baton for a while.
You said it was a bad punch, right?
If they were a male cop, they wouldn't have hit the deck.
You got the rum guy.
Anyway.
But then they let me out the next day because I was a foreigner or whatever and they didn't like picking up.
This is in America?
Yeah.
San Diego.
Fucking 1992?
Holy shit.
I'm fucking 53.
I think it was 92, actually.
But then I remember with no driving, no car, no tax, no money.
So we walked back to Mission Beach and a homeless guy pissed himself in the cell.
So I slept in his piss.
So then when I was walking back down the freeway, his pee was in between my legs.
I got crazy chafed.
So I started walking like a crab for like five miles.
I was walking sideways.
I never hit another woman ever again.
There you go.
All right, Armand Goopka.
Come on down.
Come up to the mic.
Where's Armand Goopka?
Sanjay's son is here.
We're not going to give you asshole.
All right, come on.
That was a good story of a woman holding her own and fucking up a little bit.
I was impressed, man.
I would have been.
I probably would have to marry me.
I mean, she would have said no.
Who's talking?
Tamara.
Armand.
I got you.
I can't see shit with you.
You got one minute, Armand.
I have a question.
So do you think that if you had private security forces or private police forces, would those be non-human or human as well?
We asked this already, but there we asked about cyborgs.
I'm asking, if we asked it to, let's keep going.
Would they be human?
Do you depend on the market?
Of course the Indian guy wants to talk about AI, dude.
What is your deal?
This isn't a ChatGPT session.
My challenge with your argument is mainly that you're saying that because humans can do evil things, that police can do evil things.
But even in a privatized world, would not it still be humans that are doing evil things?
No, what I think what you're referring to...
Okay.
Wait, that's Richie Jackson.
I think what you're referring to is my point being that when you become a cop, you give up your conscience because you're there to obey the orders of sociopaths above you.
Do you think contracts should be – Can I finish?
No.
Can he finish?
No, no, no, no.
No, no, he said he would be unreasonable.
So just because you talk a lot, and that's okay.
But I think some of these questions can be answered a little shortly.
Do you think that's for 11?
If two people, if two people, my mom's also 4'11".
I am your mom.
And let me tell you, I am not proud.
I've had knitting nail up there for weeks.
If two people sign a contract and one of the con and in that contract, they sign away some of their own agency to some other organization.
Would that not be the same thing as police officers joining of the police force and signing away some of their agencies?
That's a great question.
I'll answer your question.
point is with any contract including the police employment you can walk as long as your state because as long as you're staying there and saying i'm going to turn off my conscience and do whatever this person tells you right or wrong that is something that makes you on some level immoral That's actually, but that's not true.
Let's say that what emerges in this private market system is they say, listen, we can't sustain a business off of at-will contracts, so we require a one-year commitment.
Sure.
Any contract is going to have some kind of consequence for you to walk.
The military, for example, you can't really walk, you go to jail.
So at a certain point, everyone who has a conscience, like, okay, go out and shoot those kids in the head, fuck it, I'll take the fine.
How many cops are going out there and just randomly shooting people in the head?
It's not random.
They're following orders to do so.
The book called Order.
Give me an example of us following orders to shoot somebody else.
And there's a great mail cop.
Hold on, hold on.
The book is called Ordinary Men, and then they're rounding up.
What about World War II, America?
We're in America.
It could never happen here because cops aren't human beings.
Well, then give me an example.
On the point about private security potentially replacing cops, we, I think, all agreed that there's a problem with tickets, for example, when you're driving erratically, disproportionately affecting lower-income people.
Would a private security force not disproportionately impact lower-income people because they wouldn't have the funds to hire the best security?
I'm going to answer his question earlier because I think it's much more German, and I'll get to yours.
Yes, in America, there have not been examples of cops rounding up and killing people, thank God, killing kids.
My point being, I don't think that the Polish mind or the German mind or any other country's mind is that radically different from, God help us, from how American people operate, number one.
But can you show that having a private police force would be somehow better than what we have currently?
Because all you've done is criticize the police that we have in this country.
You haven't shown at all that a private police force would somehow be better.
Do you have an example?
Do you have any data?
What do you think would be the same?
You did say that we were human.
As I opened this entire debate, I'm not here to advocate for or change people's minds about private police.
I'm just hoping you all understand that when you talk to the police, it is a mistake and they are not there to help you.
They are there to hurt you.
As for a private police force, we can see this very easily in other circumstances because you're going to have much more accountability.
It is watch it.
Thank you, Richard.
All right, Armand, thank you.
Make sure to send him all the bobs and vagines he can handle.
Now, next one.
Shane Wilder.
Is that it?
Shane?
I know you're out there, Shane.
Come on.
Let's go, Shane.
We're going to get this on Twitter, ASAP.
All right.
There we go.
What do you got for us?
And first, I need to correct you.
It's Attorney Meme General Shane H. Wildner, motherfucker.
Wait.
Do you want me to come over here and kick your ass, dude?
I mean, what are you?
I mean, you can try.
Oh.
Sounds like he'll do it.
Fuck.
What do you got for us?
General Shane J. Wilder.
Whatever the fuck you need.
Where the fuck did you get him?
Meme Lord, whatever, dude.
King Queen Virgin is what you should call yourself.
How you doing, Shane?
We can all agree that there are good and bad police, and a lot of us have seen both.
But is the answer to do away with police in favor of private security or rework the police system?
For example, make it easier to fire a cop for not doing their job, which in the end is to uphold and protect the Constitution.
Because if police are human, then so are private security.
If some cop can be a feckless cunt, when is stomping private security, Garn?
That's a great question, Carmen the Frog.
Thank you.
And he's right, though, though.
That's a great question.
I absolutely agree with that question.
It's a great question.
You're going to always have murderers, rapists, robbers, burglars.
Anyone who argues otherwise is talking out of his ass.
There's always going to be evil people or even crazy people.
Point is, are you going to have a system where there's accountability?
And when you have any monopoly on any product or service, the people who are delivering that product or service are not going to be held accountable.
So I would also be happy what you said.
If they're even within the system that we have, there'll be more accountability for the cops that exist.
Okay, who is the retard talking like that?
Come on.
Oh, that is Richie.
Richie, you want to say something?
There's a microphone so we can hear you so the people that have watched this later can actually hear it instead of just...
It'll get louder, though.
All right, Richie.
Thank you.
We can't hear you, Richie.
There's no microphone to pick up your audio.
So it's a waste of time.
Okay, now.
All right, Shane, thank you.
Rick Hodgson, is Rick Hodgson here?
Rick, is Rick here?
All right, Rick.
I see his ass right there.
Real cute.
He's not here.
There's a lot of Richards in this room.
I can feel it.
There's a lot of dicks and Ricks.
All right, Rick, what do you got for us?
Want to say happy 19th anniversary to my wife, Kate?
Hell yeah.
Hey.
And kind of think the discussion of there not being a whole lot of humans in the police force coming up here pretty soon is something that we need to start thinking about.
What?
Dude, if those robots are like those postmate on wheel things, I will fuck that cop up, son.
You said that about the lady cop.
That's not what happened.
Fuck you, man.
Probocop.
I'll start a scooter gang with you any day.
Man, you really are gay, huh?
Yes, you are.
All right.
All right, guys, sit down.
Let's try to get through some names.
We only got 10 minutes left.
Caleb Wright.
Caleb Wright, come on down.
Where's Caleb Wright?
You here?
Why aren't scooters gay?
You didn't see the cops on like those two-wheeler-like things?
That was gay.
Wait, there was cops on two-wheeler things?
Segways.
Segways.
You see the cops on segues?
I was in the movie Paul Bop Moca.
I'm aware.
Subtle Flex.
Wow, that's so cool.
That's my fucking claim to fame now, I just realized.
That's awesome.
All right, what do you got for us, Caleb?
So, my main thing is about to Michael Malice on you are completely against cops.
No, correct?
He just thinks that we're human and that we'll fail and therefore we should go away.
And they'll enforce, you know, whatever order they're told, even if it's immoral.
Unlike a robot who won't do exactly what it's programmed.
It's amazing how freely you are putting words in my mouth.
And again, I don't care about this debate, but keep this in mind if you're ever talking to a cop or faced with a crime.
That's all I want you all to take away from tonight.
Go ahead.
But just as cops are still human, humans are also cops.
These are people who have gone through trainings, and those trainings haven't been updated and that they should be updated for increased responsibilities and increased actions for their authorities.
What makes you say the trainings haven't been updated?
That's really good.
I don't think that's true.
You said they have been.
You said have been?
Well, if they have been updated, they're not doing the training.
They're not doing the trainings properly.
I think they are doing good.
Honestly, I think they're, I'm going to take the cop side in this one.
If you watch the police body cam footage, a lot of times, even though in any other situation, they'd be knocking the person out, they're de-escalating, and they're talking to someone who's complete trash and being like, sir, sir, sir.
You see it.
I want to address this to Rich.
And when that guy, there's a guy who went to Midtown Manhattan and shot up his office place.
When he came downstairs, NYC cops started shooting wildly at him and they missed and hit seven bystanders.
And the story that emerged was that the officers in New York were getting the bare minimum training because the city had decided if the cost of lawsuits are lower than the cost of training, they would prefer the lawsuits instead.
All right.
So I'll give you some real talk here about police range shooting since I was a range officer for my department.
So one, NYPD has different Glock setups than everybody else.
They have a 10-plus pound trigger addition.
So normally a Glock is like seven to five pound trigger pull.
They have one so it adds an additional five pounds.
If you do that to somebody, which most cops are, someone that gets one day of training that shoots their whatever it is qualification for their department, that's not training.
That's just qualification.
So you get officers that don't train that only do qualification.
Now they have a heavier trigger squeeze.
And for everybody that knows anything about guns, the heavier a trigger squeeze is on a pistol, the firmer you have to grip it, right?
So you're sitting there pulling back 10, 15 pounds, and if you've got a weak wrist and low or no training other than qualification, you're either going to push the pistol to the left or pull it to the right.
Which is one day a training.
It doesn't matter what kind of gun you got.
You're not going to hit the shot with a handgun.
Correct.
It takes a lot of practice.
You've got to be close.
So what a lot of, not a lot of, NYC used to be the pinnacle of police training.
Every department would look at them because they're the largest city in the States and they've got the largest department, like 40 or 70,000 officers, and they would say, what are they doing right?
And let's do it.
And one of the things that they see from New York State or New York City and what they're doing wrong is the additional pound on the trigger.
Is there fear, I would say, or illogical fear of training on a firearm because they don't want them to use it.
It's almost like an intentional neglect on firearm training.
So then the officers aren't good at using it.
Therefore, they're fearful of using it.
So now they don't use it.
And then what happens?
People that actually need lethal force are either hurt in the crossfire, are either not being protected and lose their lives because the individual that's attacking them is not being stopped appropriately.
And you can go down the list from there.
Wow, private police must be the answer, I guess.
Matt Parker, we only got enough time for about one or two more people.
So Matt Parker can't.
Honestly, the answer would have been gun proliferation in that building.
If there are more people in that building who had guns, or Uvalde, these other places.
In Uvalde, the parents were ready to go in there and save their kids, and the cops held them back.
Do you think, real quick, though, do you think there should be, if we allow for guns in places like New York, should they require bullets to say be frangible or something like that?
What do you mean by frangible bullets?
Frangibles, frangible bullets are fucking something weird.
They would break instead of overpenetrating.
Oh, you mean like a less deadly bullet?
No, no, no, no.
They would shatter and hit the wall instead of going through and going into another room.
I'm not qualified to answer that question.
All right, what do you got for us?
I think this might be our last speaker.
So what do you got for us?
Make it something good.
And guys, thank you to everybody that came up here.
And thank you guys for coming out here tonight.
Seriously.
I know Tim appreciates it.
And a big shout out to the club that, you know, they got it accidentally canceled, but then they brought it back.
So we love the DC comedy live.
It was just a misunderstanding.
But what do you got for us?
My question, I guess, would be for Michael.
So how would you, in the instance of having all these private security in place of police, how would you handle large, like organized crime?
I'm sorry, I can't hear you.
It's not over yet, guys.
Shut the fuck up in the back just for five more minutes.
Thank you.
All right, so how would I handle organized crime, right?
How would that address large organized crime?
Yeah, so one of the big issues that organized crime starts to begin with is black markets, right?
We saw this very quickly in America.
What happened with the rise of the mafia was prohibition.
And after a while, they started shooting enough cops that the cops are like, I'm not enforcing this law.
And they repealed the law.
So if you have things like increased, you see this in Colorado, right?
If you have this kind of gang take over department building and you have a community where everyone's armed, everyone has this sense of community, very quickly, it's going to have to be, someone's going to have to be violent at some point.
Right now, it's just kind of the cops are going to come in.
Otherwise, it would be much harder to come in to begin with.
But there's no easy, anyone who tells you there's an easy answer when you have a large population with weapons who are intent on doing you harm, there's no one sense to answer this in any situation.
So if somebody has to go in there and they have to be violent, wouldn't you prefer to be a police officer that's held liable by the community instead of a bunch of individuals that can do it without any sort of use of force?
One day of gun training?
No.
Where I disagree with you is I don't think cops are ever held liable or else all those cops who killed all those dogs would be rotting in jail right now.
All right, guys, that has been the Culture War Live.
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Everybody, you know, shout out.
Where people can find you at support.
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They can find me at dailycaller.com or on X at AmberMarie Duke.
Thanks, guys.
I'm Rich High.
You can find me on Angry Cops on Twitter and YouTube and all the other stuff.
And also, I'm Michael's partner.
And I'm primetime Alex Stein, and you know what I'm about.
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Michael Malice, I just want to remind you all that there's only two kinds of cops, the bad cops and the ones who've been spoiled by the bad cops.
Jesus.
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It's a podcast.
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Thank you.
I would yell, but I'm losing my voice, so I can't pull in Alex Stein.
But I want to thank everybody for coming.
This has been an amazing sold-out show.
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