The Great Police DEBATE w/ Michael Malice, Jason Ellis, Angry Cops, & Alex Stein
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Well, ladies and gentlemen, I am Tim Poole, your host, along with co-host Alex Stein.
This is going to be a lot of fun.
And of course, I think to kick off the great conversation, I will start with the truth, and that is no cop anywhere for any reason has ever done anything wrong.
What I want everyone here to realize, because this is something I'm being very serious now, despite dressing in my clown costume, is that seems the highest form of flattery.
If you think this is flattering, that speaks to you.
What I want to point out in all seriousness is it doesn't matter if you're Republican, Democrat, communist, anarchist, fascist in your day-to-day life.
What matters is how you interact with the police.
And you need to appreciate that they are not there if they show up to never talk to the police.
They are there to hurt you by their own admission.
And I want everyone to repeat after me something very simple.
Because there's that famous Supreme Supreme Court Justice Castle Rock is that who that was and he said never talked oh no no that was he was a former attorney general attorney general yeah the here's the issue is that I've had people try to kill me and my family.
If you have a producer who's not doing their job, you get rid of them.
If you have a photographer, if you have a sidekick, co-host, whatever, you get rid of them.
It is when you have a monopoly on a service where there's absolutely no accountability if you watch any i know how many people here have been burglarized i hope it's few of you but some of us have.
There's not even a, if Amazon doesn't deliver a package, you get a refund or store credit.
If a store doesn't deliver a product, you get a refund or store credit.
It is only a monopoly.
when there's actually not even a pretense that, yeah, we're here to protect you, but if we didn't, well, tough shit, there's nothing we're going to, we're not even going to pretend to do something about it and everyone just kind of takes this as a given because this is the world we've grew up in and my point is it's not at all acceptable that someone who takes a job onto themselves and who doesn't deliver you're just like oh well what are you gonna do that's all i'm saying fair fair point we did hire private security after you had to yeah and you pay a lot in taxes and if that money was being used correctly this problem
And Michael, you're very intelligent and I respect you and I'm glad that you dressed up like me.
Maybe unintentionally, but I would have to push back on the monopoly thing because there's tons of private enterprises that do private security work, including people that fight against the exploitation of children and work alongside police and do better than police because they're privatized.
Correct.
So yeah, we don't have a monopoly on protecting the American public.
And it's always a given that if there's an emergency, there's not a 911 that is like an Uber service where people who have the baby be qualified, pass certain certifications, and then they can have a rating.
I know someone who's this mentally handicapped guy who's doing a lot of great work because teachers unions do a great job of protecting the predators from having any consequences for their behavior.
They will protect their own, and that is their job to protect their own.
So when teachers act inappropriately, it takes a lot to get them fired.
And here's the thing.
I know I know that my colleague and I can't lie because cops only tell the truth.
Hashtag believe cops.
So everything I say, you should double check for yourselves, right?
So Google what, like, police, teachers unions and a.
sexual abuse and the results will shock you now the idea that the police unions are going to be any different would only be true if cops aren't human beings.
They are human beings.
And unions act identically regardless of the field.
Their job is to protect their own people from any consequences.
And there's story after story.
Let's look at the Eric Garner case.
How much money would Nancy Pelosi have to give you to put your hands on someone for selling cigarettes?
It's insane.
And none of those people lost their jobs or had any consequences for it.
The only person who went to jail in that situation was the photographer.
So if you look at cases like Jordan Ely in New York, if you look at the 2020 riots, there's a great example of this.
The cops have no interest or obligation to enforce the law.
Every so often, they're just going to say, yeah, you know what, we're not going to do anything about it.
And you have absolutely no recourse.
In fact, they are far more interested.
in arresting and persecuting people who are there enforcing the public safety than they are in attacking and harming criminals.
Like I said earlier, if someone burglarizes your house, you're going to have no consequences whatsoever.
But if that person steals from a CVS or whatever, they're on the streets in five minutes and the cops just shrug their shoulders.
The cops have a lot of influence with the politicians who give them orders.
And you do not hear them saying, wait a minute, you guys are legalizing shoplifting and this is causing problems in the community because they are just there to follow orders.
Now, I do not, cops, again, are human beings.
They are not sociopaths.
They just follow orders from them.
And that, I think, is something far worse than not having a sense of right and wrong yourself.
It's when you take obedient orders from people who are depraved, like Gavin Newsom, like Nancy Pelosi, and just close your eyes and do whatever they tell you.
So regarding your situation., it is crazy to me that the only solution we're put forward is you have to call the government and the government's not going to do a good job of it.
So I'm not going to even deny for the sake of this debate that the cops are a necessary evil.
But I'm just going to have everyone walk away, I hope tonight, with understanding that nevertheless, they are an evil.
He said that I don't want the cops to be proactive.
That speaks to motive.
Now, imagine if I have drugs its intention to distribute.
If we're talking about manslaughter versus murder, I'm talking about motive.
He is comfortable getting on a mic in front of everyone that's being taped and putting words in my mouth.
Now imagine a cop has a bad day, you're arrested, he has to testify.
he will have no problem saying I heard him say it I heard him say he doesn't want it to be proactive now it's your word against his and you've got a jury half of whom are going to be complete idiots and think the opposite of you.
It's two against one.
And this happens all the time.
I don't care what anyone thinks about me tonight.
I care about what you walk away with and realize.
if you talk to the cop you just saw he didn't hear everything i said and remember everything i said i don't blame him but what happens when he writes that police report what happens when he testifies against you you are well i just want to say this and michael makes some good points and i I would say overall cops probably aren't bad, Rich.
But my question for you is, when you looked at the pandemic and you saw some like the mask police that they're actually using people like yourself to enforce stuff like wearing a mask, like, is there a line that you would draw?
where you're like, hey, listen, I believe in the First Amendment more than I believe in my superior telling me what to do.
So I want to say that Michael is right in some aspect of this, right?
there are people that follow rules and those rules are bad and they shouldn't follow them however on the same side for ops ops at the same point there's been couple east discretion which i've used before which says that if i look at something as an individual that happens to be police officer and i think that i don't want to do anything about it but are bad we can I can choose not to.
And I'll give you a personal example of how I did it in the right way.
And that's New York State has very strict firearm policies.
I had somebody that came from out of state that had a legal permit from out of state, but in New York state didn't recognize that pistol permit.
I pull him over.
He had marijuana at the time.
It was illegal.
I pull him out, search the marijuana.
He tells me he has a firearm in the car he's carrying legally.
He's not in New York state.
What do I do?
I unload the firearm.
I put the firearm in the glove compartment.
I put the ammo on his seat.
And I say, hey, I'm not one of those New York City cops that doesn't like guns.
I'm all about you carrying legally.
Go home.
If you load it, keep it in your hand, in your, what shall I call it, the glove compartment.
I am going to ignore it because this is a distraction because the bartender doesn't have the problem to put you in a cage.
Only cops have the discretion, as he pointed out, that at any time, they can throw you in the back of their cop car, throw you in a cell, say disorderly conduct.
wish you would have called him babe no babe's cute and shouldn't be shot wait that's a boar not a pig yeah because inside every cop is a feral pig that is one comment away from putting your head through a wall.
What's that, Officer Oink Salat?
Google Domestic Violence Rates and Police.
Well, you shouldn't trust what this pig has to say, but I would hope everyone at home googles that.
And here's something else about the police.
In the same way that obnoxious people who talk too much are drawn to podcasting, as the three of us can attest, everyone up here.
Everyone up here.
And in the same way that people who want to prey on children go to where the children are, violent people are going to be drawn to jobs where they're able to use violence without impunity.
It's a small percentage.
Let me be clear.
But cops are human beings and human beings act in certain ways.
So if I'm someone who's a sociopath, I'm going to be a politician.
If I'm a loudmouth asshole, I'm going to be a podcaster.
And if I'm someone likes to take out his violence and other people legally i'm going to end up as a cop well actually i have a question personally we know I want to ask this question, though, Michael.
There's two people in America who think words are violence, social justice warriors and cops.
If I call Alex the N-word, which I do all the time, and I will again, I didn't hear it, but I wish I could.
There's plenty of leftists who will tell you that it's appropriate for him to beat me into a coma because, hey, you shouldn't be calling black people the N-word.
Cops are the only other group.
where if you say the wrong thing, they feel entitled to knock you into a coma and pat themselves on the back for it.
Anyway, so you said that because the job requires violence or there's like a level of violence that has to be i didn't say that what did you say is it something that cops drop people because it is you should listen to what i'm saying before you try to quote me it's why i asked i'm not i answered i'm not answering questions they're not very good at debating i'm not debating you this is a debate isn't it what about a conversation can we be friends why can't we be friends why can't we be
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friends why can't we be friends Why can't we be friends?
and being nice they come to interview you he's hey my partner's crazy my partner's a madman i'm the nice one i'm just trying to help you alex is crazy just answer a few questions i'll be on my way it'll be cool you answer the few questions if i go to tim i go hey tim i got to put up a painting in my house can i borrow a power tool sure and then i go oh by the way tim uh this power tool i can and will use this against you all of a sudden hey hey
they tell you explicitly anything you say can and will will be used against you.
And here's something else.
If you tell a cop something that would help your side the story in a lawsuit in a criminal case, that's hearsay.
Oh, he said – but if he doesn't remember something you said or gets it a little wrong like he did repeatedly today, all of a sudden it's his word against yours, and now your story doesn't add up, and now you're a liar.
And now very quickly bad things are going to happen to you as a consequence.
Well, actually – Don't ever talk to the police without an attorney.
And you give them their Miranda rights, and you know – you know that most people you deal with are retarded and they don't even understand their miranda rights i'm just like you yeah yeah i admit that i am retarded my point is, you're dealing with people that don't realize that they are incriminating themselves.
Michael does have a point in that they actually are afforded a free attorney.
And oftentimes I watch the first 48 and you see the dude in there that, you know, double murdered somebody.
A couple times you're like, hey, where's my attorney?
Where's my attorney?
And then the guy will end up still talking because they give him like a Pepsi Coke, you know, delicious.
And then a follow-up question I have to ask, knowing these rights in mind, having these rights in mind would would you like to talk to me now i have the card i know hold on just in case we don't forgot but you know that you are asking questions to a person it doesn't even matter if you sat there for 10 minutes and lecture them on what legal rights they had they still would not understand what it is because some people have a 70 iq do you ever feel guilty for them basically not taking advantage of their legal rights like uh you know,
So the amount of people that I've questioned that I've read their Miranda rights to, which start off with you have the right to remain silent, if you don't understand that, or if you, but there's a difference here.
Everybody's talking about like, are you smart enough to understand it?
If I say you have the right to remain silent, And then I continue to question you and you say, okay, I would like to be questioned.
There's no much more I can do.
I'm not a psychologist.
If lawyers want to then take up that aspect of saying, hey, Alex is so dumb.
How dumb is Alex?
Alex doesn't know when to shut up.
And then there, they can argue that.
But unless you're of noticeable mental decline, I'm going to read you your Miranda rights.
I'm going to ask you at the end of them, do you understand each of these rights I have explained to you, having these rights in mind?
You realize, okay, this person has no idea what the fuck I was talking about.
And that's happened to him repeatedly.
But he knows as long as he's got the assent, just like when you check up the terms of service on some website or thing, his hands are clean and he can go and pursue the arrest and conviction.
You finish that, Miranda writes with, do you want to talk to me yes or no?
Whether the person answers yes or no indicates, we're getting feedback, indicates.
some understanding and it sounds like what you're asking alex do you ever feel feel guilty because maybe they actually don't what if the person wants to talk to the cops and they accidentally say no because they don't understand it it they can misunderstand it never works that way tim it never happens where they accidentally ask for an attorney and get one you know i'm saying the cops are like do you want to talk to us the guy might be thinking that they're i understand what you're saying my point is logically can go either direction they can logically it goes in one direction Oh, shit.
So if you feel like police officers taking advantage of people that don't understand their rights or don't understand the conversation that they've been in, I would ask you to bring me with some sort of story, just bring something up where you were having a conversation with somebody who felt as though they could not talk to you or didn't understand the conversation, and then you continue to have a conversation with them.
I misunderstand in either direction meaning I understand the point it's probably rare and maybe it's a stupid point I don't know but there may be some people who want to explain to the police something that happened it may slightly be incriminating but they're worried about Evan Erniecamp bashed in by gangs and they're like I don't understand what this means so I'm not going to say anything if you want a what if every legal thing I'm with you but I would need something for you to follow the question either what's that I didn't follow the question either okay my my friends Now we're finally friends.
security is an extremely important thing these movements that you see in these big cities to defund the police are to me insane because they're defunding they're defunding them to a point but they're keeping them in place to make sure people can't protect themselves so you have the police uh taking out Kyle Rittenhouse, you have them taking out Daniel Penney, but everybody else is rendered helpless and defenseless.
So security is far too important of a job to be left to a monopoly, let alone a government monopoly.
We need police accountability and we need private security to increase.
But as it is now, there is no accountability.
And the people who are the, if you're in New York, one of the reasons I moved to Austin, thank God I did, is because I, thank you, I knew if someone broke into my house and I have pretty cool shit and I tried to defend myself, especially with a firearm, it's far more likely that the law would fall upon me than upon the guy breaking into my house.
We see this over and over.
And those laws are enforced and only enforced by the police.
All right, well, let's let's see how much money no no no how much money would officer kamala harris have to pay you to arrest someone for having a funeral rule.
Big, big, flashy white kid in the white stuff hey let's get the rider stage stop putting your hand up like door hole hurry don't be shy bro you got one minute all right one minute for what what do you guys want first of all i'm gonna go All right, so I had an interaction with the cops today.
I'm going to say that to Latinas because we know they can scrap.
Somebody doesn't want to deport them and I'm behind that movement.
Thank you.
But the thing is, in reality, you have to, and this is going to sound super cliche and shitty, you have to bridge the gap between community and police, right?
If you don't, then nobody's going to respect you.
And if you don't bridge that gap, if nobody respects you, then every time you show up, they're going to disrespect you, get in a fight with you, push the boundaries until they're resisting or obstructing, and then you have to affect an arrest.
And so there is an image, like my fantastic partner has to show, that police officers should have because they are part of this larger authority of the community.
I said the police as a career attracts violent people and it's a small percentage.
I said those words or words to that effect.
At no point did I say it's preferable for the police to be small people.
And again, I don't care what you think about me.
I don't care what you think about any of us on this panel.
What I care about is when you talk to the police, they will easily twist your words without any guilt whatsoever or any kind of consequences or apology.
And you're the one who will be ending up paying the price.
Point being, every field, you're absolutely correct, have people who are assholes, beauty queens, politicians, teachers, barbers, hairstyles, you know, everything, anyone can't.
It is only the police, when someone is an asshole, that they have the legal right and discretion to, if you're giving them an attitude, throw you in the back of their cop car and fuck your shit up for a very long time.
can you make up charges against somebody no you can't but cops do lie okay cops lie and it's illegal to false and it is illegal to lie and there are repercussions for those people that do it but the argument michael is that you're saying they get away with it which i don't disagree with yes here's uh here's something i have a legal right to do i assume everything i'm saying is is not true what i would encourage people to do as i've done is watch a lot of police body cam footage yes yeah i agree with that and i'm not i'm not finished it's going to make you appreciate what the cops have to do a lot more.
Because if you're calling the cops, you're not calling the cops because things are nice.
It's not like, oh, hey, officer, we're having a birthday party.
I did have spillover, and I had good officers that were next to me that pulled me aside and said, you need to sit down.
You need to cool off.
And there are laws right now in New York State, I forget what law it's called, where it is an officer's duty to intervene if another officer is doing excessive force in their eyes.
Yeah, but there's also a duty in the military if people have to do that.
Then you have the MyLive Massacre.
So just because something's on paper, and I'm sure that happens sometimes.
I'm sure there's a lot of times because you trust your partner, people trust their partners.
You see your partner being out of it, and you're like, oh, shit, thanks for checking me.
And that person will be grateful.
But there's plenty of other times when you and your partner, it's YouTube against the world, and someone who's from a certain socioeconomic class is giving you lip, and you're not having it that day.
And I don't know that I would do differently in that position.
If you're against police, do you think individuals should be trained in public schools to de-escalate, shoot, fight hand-to-hand combat, handle crime scenes, evidence, large-scale criminal organizations?
In certain parts of this country, thank you for the correction.
In certain parts of the country, it is very much the case that people are neighborly.
If there's a problem in the neighborhood, people try to get together and solve it.
That is very much discouraged.
And just like charity is very much discouraged because you have the government to rely on that puts less and less responsibility for individuals to fix this.
And a great example of this is, again, Daniel Penny or Perry.
So I would love it if not only were more people incentivized and have that sense of no one's coming to help me because when crime is seconds away, the cops are minutes away.
And one of the great things about living in Austin is knowing that I sleep with a PC under my bed and one in my office.
And if someone comes into my house, I'm not going to have to live in fear.
It seems like the real issue is not police at all.
It's cultural fragmentation.
If you have a village of 100 people, and they all say, Rich is going to be our cop.
We trust him and we like this guy.
When he stops somebody, he knows that he's got fear of being shunned or ostracized for acting out of line.
Yes, I. And so the problem we have now is in these very large cities of millions of people, the cops are like, don't know you, don't care, I'm done with you.
Well, this is actually something that they tried to fight because for a long time, you would have white cops in black neighborhoods, and this naturally had some kind of antagonism.
Okay, regarding william mcneil i've seen both videos i believe the headlights not being on is a bullshit charge so this may have been a dwb but i believe he also had a suspended license and they may have known that pulling him over but that wasn't mentioned in the video i don't believe Could that have been a factor in the stop?
Like he had a weed on him too though that guy did have he got arrested with a punch in the face was that okay no that one didn't look good yeah hold on let me ask in all seriousness if a cop punches someone who is clearly not fighting back in the face should that cop go to jail yes he should get assault just like everybody else okay great okay we're on the same page okay uh and what are the likelihoods of why charges what's that what's the likelihood that he will get charged And I'm going to be honest with you because you've been honest with me so far.
Because it's not, if it wasn't on camera, there would be more of a difficulty of a burden of proof.
But also because of your distrust of police, something that's happened, I think, in the positivity that people thought was going to be a bad thing is that more and more officers are getting body cams.
And I don't know if you'll agree with me or not, but I feel that since more and more body cams have come out, you've actually seen the police are more correct and honest in their police report taking and arrests than dishonest, like astronomical.
I think the percent of cops that people regard as corrupt is far lower in reality than people have claimed.
Corrupt ones are not the ones that are getting bribed on the take.
That's not a significant issue.
It's the good cops that are the problem because they are the ones who will smile and nod and follow orders from politicians and do whatever they're told.
If you went back to 20, I'm not here to be reasonable.
If you went, I don't have to be reasonable.
I got a badge.
If you went back to 2019 and asked doctors, hey, would you ever give a medication to every single one of your patients, even for a disease that they can't really get?
I'd never do that.
Hippocratic oath.
Are you crazy?
That's insane.
Then COVID happened.
And there were some who didn't, but they all bent the knee because doctors and like cops are human beings so they will always bend the knee to those in power that means they're starting to hate human beings yeah i know i don't blame you hey guys all right hey guys real quick i did have a part two to that uh oh god i didn't really get long oh god i didn't even know you're still here oh you scared me i'm scared to do that yeah it's like when i call in i don't shut up all right um okay so uh what can we do to get uh it to be normalized for
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police departments to drop the uh body cam footage sooner and faster, especially when a viral encounter like Willy McNeil takes place.
And not like in a physical aspect, but to like blame the person, whether it's the cop or the individual for guilt.
So you have to be very careful with how much information you put out at a time.
Let's say that it's something more heinous like a murder or a serious assault where somebody's shot.
You can blame somebody.
And social media is well known for this.
I've done a couple of videos, angry cops.
Anyway, so you've got to be careful with the amount of information that you put out and what information you put out.
And although.
Police departments need to be responsible and react to community requests in order to once again gain the trust of the community, which is important.
We also have to put the investigation above that because the victims, outstanding, because the victims are the most important thing when it comes to an investigation.
One of the only black people here, probably most likely uh first of all i want to give a shout out get out leave no i'm kidding no we're kidding we're kidding you want a wonderful boy i want to give a shout out to my lady madeline um sharl quite a few people know her she's been in the discord she's been making hell and all that stuff for myself i'm kind of new but um my i guess i i don't really have a question well it kind of is a question I believe in a little bit more self-policing.
I think smaller communities is kind of what we need to go to.
What would you guys want to see for self-policing?
Like what would be the extent that citizens would do their own self-policing?
How would that be structured?
And what do we want to roll back when it comes to police?
Because I think we do overextend ourselves when it comes to police the dependency i just hear people expect uh other men to i got i got that i feel like uh dudes should not wear crocs you can't you can't defend you can't defend with those fucking things on you know what you're doing you call the fashion police on that it comes from the movie uh idiocracy by the way crocs so you should watch that movie that's where it that's where it came from What's that?
Yeah, I'm scared of those of those you should be they're terrifying all right i think michael's position is everybody gets a pitchfork and a torch my position is i wrote an article years ago about gun uh mandates meaning you're mandated to own a gun i like that mandate all right our next challenger or person who wants to ask a question the one the only edgar the puppet is edgar the puppet here come on down edgar the puppet I know Michael loves talking to puppets.
Anyway, listen, I want to congratulate Alex Stein on his Ozempic use and Tim for having a great choice of headwear, Michael for looking like Saddam Hussein and the two bald bookends just for showing up.
Thank you.
All right, Michael, I think, look, you've raised some good points, but look, man, you are from the US fucking R, USSSR, whatever, how many initials, I forget.
I think you got a lot of, I think between the NKVD and the KGB, I think you got a lot of generational trauma that you're still dealing with, Michael.
All of you in a recent episode of my wonderful YouTube channel, Ask America with Edgar, I was kicked out of the National Zoo lately.
by police officers.
I was unfortunately racially profiling animals and they did not like that and they kicked my ass out.
I please, I encourage you to view the episode because YouTube is throttling it big time.
Regardless though, those cops were friendly.
They were doing their job as they ushered me out and threw me onto the street.
So Rich, you know, not all of them are bad.
They're not all bad, but the point is if someone friendly tells you you can't see your mom in the nursing home as she dies it's not the attitude that's the problem they're doing their job correctly that was the everyone though michael everyone michael everyone during covid was being an absolute cockhole except for everyone in this room yeah everyone so who the can wait a minute if everyone is being a cockhole they're being a cockhole doesn't excuse them what are you talking about well i'm not saying i think i think that you You
might be steering us towards some sort of libertarian madness where there aren't enough rules.
What kind of rules are there if you want to say hi to your mom in the nursing home the rules are you sign in and show id that's the rules yeah yeah exactly i think you don't go to jail because you don't want her to because she doesn't want to die alone yeah i didn't hear that you let them in because walls don't work Yeah, I think somehow before the end of the evening, I would like to see you and Rich kiss.
Finally, a woman, even though I think we had a fake woman already.
Hey, I'm right here.
Well, two fake women.
All right, Madeline, come on down.
Madeline, hurry, hurry, hurry.
Where are you at, Madeline?
Give it up for these ladies.
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this lady we've had two now that's that's that's the waitress guys that's give it up for the waitress as well is madeline here i don't even do i see is that her oh look at her right over here right over yeah right over there come on over go to the homeless looking em and m madeline yeah stand on this nice ominous x we have on the floor here you have one minute I'm not sure what my question is.
Tell him how he has to do this job because he has a potential.
Oh, big word for violence.
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So here's my question for Michael is how are police and necessary evil as they enforce our freedom and they help us keep our freedom wait wait i don't understand the question why are police a necessary evil i i was saying for the sake of this debate, I'll say the police are necessary evil because people are of the belief, and I'm not going to argue against that today, that but for the police, we would have like 2020 with 24-7.
a necessary evil i think they're necessary and i don't think they're doing anything that goes against what americans do believe in Okay, a lot of Americans believe in stupid things.
A lot of people and probably some in this room join the military because they think, okay, I want to protect my country.
I want to, you know, help my community.
I want to keep America free and safe.
And that's very commendable.
And then many people in the military are like, what the fuck am I doing here?
I was completely lied to.
But the thing is, you can't quit the military because you're going to get court martial, possibly go to jail, but you can quit the police force at any time.
And how many of them walked during COVID?
Very, very few.
They were more than happy to tell you, fuck you, you're not going to be able to say goodbye to your loved ones because I need my paycheck.
Because every time, every time like a politician or a big corporation breaks a fucking law, like you have to have like a grocery list of things to go after them for.
But when it's a normal citizen knocking over a fence at the Capitol, they will fucking track you down.
City Group said that we live in a plutonomy where the interests of the public don't matter.
And if the majority of the people said something should be illegal politicians don't give a but if around 30 of wealthy individuals decide it's illegal it will be so big corporations politicians powerful unions never get held accountable but regular people will get tossed in jail for jaywalking two-tier justice system yeah which brings me back to my original point don't wear crocs These are crocs.
I was just thinking about how it's wild how we need to come up with these big laundry lists of things to arrest some politicians or corporate leaders on because they constantly break the law all the fucking time.
i want to say my very good friend uh joe exotic the tiger king you know he got We love him, but he got famous after he went to prison.
If he would have gotten famous before and he had the money to actually fight in his case with a good criminal defense attorney, his outcome would have been totally different.
So to kind of go against what he was saying, where he's like, everybody that's got a bunch of money gets arrested but they get away with it a lot of people with no money get arrested and get away with it it's true if you go to new york state specifically the city of buffalo the one that i police the amount of people that get picked up with legal firearms not to say that they're carrying concealed in a in a legal manner i'm saying like people that do it in like for for drug sales for other illegal activities parts of gangs their intent is to shoot another person right the amount of people that get uh youthful offender status juvenile
offender status and have the second or third or fourth gun thrown away because they're from a socio-economical people and it's not because they can understand no no no no i'm saying because of crimes they committed not because of carrying okay i'm saying specifically because of gang violence, but honing in just on gang violence and drug activity.
The amount of people that have no money that get public defenders where the prosecutor's office, the district attorney's office is like, there's too fucking many of them.
We're going to drop down there.
I put a gun to a guy's head and said, I'm going to fucking kill you.
And then the cop showed up and stopped him.
And we're going to knock it down to attempted assault.
So many thousands more than Enron who eventually got caught.
is not there to keep you safe please uh carry and have a firearm so the funny thing about all of this is that um i could be wrong you lost me a wealth extraction but okay uh correct me if i'm wrong but My understanding is that if every single person who went before a judge on a crime requested a jury trial, the system would implode.
And to quote officer law enforcement, yes, some of these people are made up of people that are inside of your community, which are dumb.
And a specific example is that, is we had a gang rape on video, Facebook live streamed, and of a special needs girl who was 16, the video of it, video of it, and five guys were involved.
Two of them were juveniles.
And the The kidnapping was thrown out, or I'm sorry, the rape was thrown out, but the kidnapping stood because one person thought that even though she was kidnapped, she could still consent to sex.
I'm 100% serious.
one person thought that even though you're kidnapped you can still consent to sex so that person would not go forward with the rape charges of the five people that raped especially this girl on camera with her crying no stop that hurts i'm starting to hate human beings again it's pretty easy to all right aka romanation aka romanation let's go come on down what do you got for us aka From AK Nation,
All right, so the reason why you're given a ticket the explanation is on the ticket here's the ticket this is what you're ticketed for there's the explanation they may not have said it to you in person which is odd normally i would do that as a courtesy but it's on the ticket when they give you the ticket there's the reason why they stopped you for the i scan your plate or i or i type down your license plate without pulling you over or having anything prior to the license plate in your state and all other states is owned by
the state You're renting the plate from the state.
The state is the state or the plate is the state's property.
So I, as a representative of the law enforcement agency within that state can then run it.
And if you are suspended, if the registration is suspended or there's no inspection or the inspection expired or a large thing is that car or the registration comes back is stolen, then I can pull it over.
So anybody that would like to say, if you run the plate without them doing anything, that's bad and illegal, I would then ask you, well, how are we supposed to catch stolen vehicles when the registered owner puts that plate out as stolen?
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Yeah, now are they now legally, they're supposed to tell you why they pulled you over, right?
Because you get pulled over, it doesn't mean you get to demand that they tell you right then and there for the reason of the stop.
And like I said, in the most extreme situation, if they don't say anything, then the ticket that they give you is the reason for the stop, which normally they would explain and say, here's a ticket.
So when you're stopped by police in New York State, because I can speak for that because I know that you are required to show identification and your license for traveling on New York State throughways, thoroughfares in the city, et cetera, because tax dollars paid for the city's roads, the state's thoroughfares, et cetera.
So if I pull you over and you refuse to answer any questions, that's one thing.
If you keep the window rolled up and refuse to show ID, which is required of you, and you sign an agreement when you take your driver's test and get your ID, then it would be obstruction and I could arrest you for obstruction.
So likely most states though, obstruction is a lesser like violation charge.
So I might break out your window and tow your car or break out your window and pull you out, but then I would give you like a violation level ticket so a person could if they get pulled over crack their window a little bit when you walk up just hand the license insurance or registration and then say nothing and that's that's all they have to do to quote officer from the law enforcement all you have to do is provide your id so you can crack the window and hand it them keep your hands up on the wheel so the officer doesn't feel freaked out say nothing you can slap it on the gloss with your finger up you can Just
So the officer they want to they want to have it in that they want we want to have it in our hands and if you want to what's that is that like a lore a requirement i don't know if you're driving a car you can i argue that you can see it from no but you have to hand it over so that would be something you'd have to fight in like in the courts right it's not worth it it's not worth it because the legal requirement for me to say I don't know if that ID is fake.
He's just showing me a photo ID.
I want to hold it in my hands.
I want to check and make sure it's a valid ID.
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That'd be the same as if somebody didn't have their ID and you had to give them some kind of information, though, right?
I used to get tickets for being on a train in Australia without having a ticket because I didn't want to buy a ticket and when they would give me the ticket i would act like it wasn't a lot of money but it was but i was just trying to like piss them off you look like a guy that really likes trains the term is trainable if anybody how did you take that autism autism all right steven what do you got for us brother hey how's everybody doing Don't ask us that, okay?
kind of varying opinions here up on the stage, what would reorganization of different police departments such as the NYCPD look like so that way it more aligns with societal norms, i.e.
more federalization, more bringing it down to the basic levels of the bureaus, or is it just too far gone and we just got to replace everybody with big booty Latinas?
So I'm pointing at porn stash cop guy there's two porn stash porn stash cop okay all right not not you you got i are on the same page we got the bald head we were we're there all right all right all right so i heard you earlier all right so i think everybody can agree here that we've all encountered an asshole cop or two in our lifetimes i have i work with enough but for the most part Cops really aren't that bad.
They're not assholes.
Now, I'm hearing porn stash sitting here saying that no cops are ever held accountable.
However, I would argue that's not true, especially when we have cops that are being held accountable for merely following their trainings, such as Derek Chauvin.
Yeah, actually I do because I'm empathetic because I'm a superstar and I see some of these other people and I feel like you guys will never know what it's like to live in space with me and the aliens.
Yeah, well, if you're a victim, you talk to a cop.
I'm talking about just if you're a suspect, if you're being considered as a they want to charge you with a crime it never benefits you to talk to a cop zero percent of the time and this is what they say and this is rich will say they say oh you know what you need to be if you're good to us now oh we're going to tell the judge and the da and they're going to take it easy on you the judge and da don't give a i don't give a i'm going to agree you shouldn't be talking to cops without without lawyers but at the same time i'm not going to say that he's doing a bad job by by because i'm saying a bad job that's the problem i said the honest cops were the ones with the problem not the corrupt
ones there are few corrupt ones it's the honest ones with the problem that that is few corrupt ones i appreciate that those bike ones i needed it there were no more trains it was the only bike i could find and it was raining and the cubs pulled me over while I was pedaling down the road at one in the morning on a girl's pink bike.
I also want to make another serious point, which is this.
People might think, okay, like the legal system worked out.
I'll tell the truth.
If the choice you're facing is to plea and get three years in jail or roll the dice with 12 on a jury and possibly look at 40, a lot of you would take the three.
They get to determine, hey, here's what they have to prove that you did it.
and then they get to decide.
that the the police officer there is investigating gets to do that's something at like the very ass sure sure but the point is justice the evidence is the interview is the evidence.
You know, I actually don't think it works out that way, to be honest.
The idea that in most circumstances, they're going to say, aha, you confuse something.
In my experience, which actually happened to me, is they.
just said quite literally i don't give a what you think i'm gonna say whatever i want oh sure okay like the the idea they're gonna go aha i finally caught you oh they're not gonna admit it no but i mean like they don't need an excuse i agree they're just gonna say bro i'm gonna accuse you i'm trying to steal me out of composition yeah okay what do you got jason no the gay cop wants to say something oh god i gotta have a question okay michael you're a capitalist correct No.
Point being, yes there are things that are worse than the police like i said cops are human beings they're not the worst thing ever it's certainly like gangs which can roam around with impunity are much worse than the police but the police are just a different type of gang they're a gang you approve of so so right so let me ask you this from the from the audience member's question what degree of violence or crime or or what what in society would make you say you know what i want a a police force out of the police force i want a lot more
Well, don't you, I feel like you would support federalized government in some aspect of protecting borders why do you feel the constant need to ascribe views to me i'm asking that's i'm not i'm saying would you i feel like i'm saying can you answer my question what's that why do you feel the constant need to ascribe views to me because i don't know what you think about things i want to ask you questions to see how you think but you're framing it in such a way that you're presuming my answer well i said i feel That's why I said, I feel that this might be something.
I think the bigger issue, instead of the illegal immigrants is birthright citizenship that's what's attracting people but so so let me ask you this question should we have a privatized immigration enforcement system it would be more effective don't you think so but is that yes like each local jurisdiction should the people who live in various communities upon themselves create private enterprise that would be supported by individuals who subscribe to the service to go to businesses and go to homes and take people who are here illegally and
deport them i no i don't think it should be done in a community because that's not going to be effective right because if my my my point is if it's a private business but my point is if it's not people have to pay for it right but my point is if they're they're just looking at austin and i know that they're going going to be bad and awesome as an illegal immigrant.
I'm just going to go to San Antonio somewhere else.
So unless it's some kind of federal border thing, it's really going to have an insane amount of loopholes.
But the thing is, in my view, there's no birthright citizenship everything's private a lot of these issues are kind of fall by the wayside because you could hire and fire whoever you want and so even if they just walked across the border then right so there'd be tons of people who weren't probably just coming here without any laws but also there'll be tons of people who aren't getting free welfare they're already getting free schooling they're already getting drivers licenses they're not getting all these other things so the number of people who come here the problems with the immigrants isn't necessarily like the that stereotypical guy who's like outside home depot wants a job so
it's it's the people who are just here to be on the dole and then to raise their kids to vote democrats so in the system where currently polling shows that most people and this is across the board even cnn finds this want illegal immigrants deported sure and i'm not against that who is the customer base to hire a private immigration company.
So if you have a system where law enforcement is privatized, everybody, or I should say in the majority of the country, most people are like, we all agree these people shouldn't be here.
Unfortunately, there's no mechanism by which the market...
There's something called revealed preferences, right?
So people might say, you know, on for this issue but as soon as they see that footage on tv all of a sudden they're against it so people speak out of both minds on many issues so ostensibly people are like deporting illegal immigrants but when they see that gram on tv all of a sudden no no no okay so in this hypothetical scenario where it's where everybody agrees people who enter here illegally or in violation of the will of the of the market and the and the community we want them removed it doesn't sound like you can do it well i it's also that it wouldn't really be a problem It doesn't
So in this system, then it would just be incumbent upon the citizenry to be like, we're going to go out and we're going to grab people and remove them.
So these kind of questions conflate different things, right?
So it does matter because people are certainly willing to put resources to someone who's a member of a gang, but they might ostensibly before get rid of that grandma.
I call for eliminating female cops this week and culture calls them girl cops which is appropriately demeaning lady cops it's always yeah lady it's always a woman that'll always take another woman down or jealous she's got authority over me was that was that your question amber no my question is on the point about the good cops who follow orders being the problem more so than the politicians no more so than the bad cops Well, more so than the bad cops.
Yeah, because, I mean, I guess my point then, rather than my question, would be that politicians and the elected officials who make the laws or the DAs who decide to prosecute are the much bigger problem because if you use the analogy of the deep state right yeah i agree with you right the issue is that we would say people who are unelected bureaucrats who don't follow what the trump administration wants to do for example are the problem and the people who would follow what the trump administration
wants to do are the ones who are are the good ones but for some reason in your opinion when we elect politicians or we elect DAs, suddenly the cops who follow what the people elected to do are the issue.
So as I said earlier, if I hire Tim to kill Alex, we're both at blame but i'm saying the majority of people elected it yeah the majority is of no relevance.
Our Constitution But if the majority elect the president and then the unelected bureaucrats don't follow what the president did, then that's Second of all, by design, the people do not elect the president.
We have an electoral college because the founding fathers were very much scared that voters would have too much power.
So they elect electors and electors elect the president.
And this might be a minor issue, in your opinion or other opinions, but the popular vote is not the determining factor, or else we would have President Hillary, which I'm sure you wouldn't like.
So what the majority want, first of all, it's not the majority of voters is of no relevance when it comes to my rights.
Freedom means I do what you want, not what you want or where a majority of people want.
I was in an alleyway in a street fight and somebody, I had hair.
God damn it, I hate the fucking past, but I do.
Somebody pulled my hair and I span around and punched him and it was a female police officer and when she hit the deck i was like oh fuck like because i didn't mean it you know i mean i did like if i hadn't if i hadn't known i would not have thrown that punch but then uh i ran away because i you know i got scared i i assaulted a police officer and i hate i hate admitting this but she she caught me she outran me i was drunk and they deserved to be there Yeah, y'all fuck.
I had it.
Oh, there's way more that came after that.
I got punished pretty bad.
She tripped me over.
I fell on the ground.
Then she got me up against the wall and she put handcuffs, my hands above my head, and she kneaded me in the butt and it made my balls hit the w the wall, it made me lean forward and head butt the wall.
So it was a fucking sweet combo that she gave me.
And then when I went to jail, all the other police, they put handcuffs around the back of my hamstrings.
So I was on my face and on my knees on the ground.
I think what you're referring to is my point being that when you become a cop, you give up your conscience because you're there to obey the orders of sociopaths above you do you think that do you think contracts should be can i finish No.
The point is with any contract, including the police appointment, you can walk.
So?
Because as long as you're staying there and saying, I'm going to turn off my conscience and do whatever this person tells you, right or wrong, that is something that makes you on some level immoral.
If like, let's, let's say that what emerges in this private market system is they say, say listen We can't sustain a business off of at-will contracts.
Any contract is going to have some kind of consequence for you to walk.
Right.
The military, for example, you can't really walk.
You go to jail.il so at a certain point everyone who has a conscience like okay go out and shoot those kids in the head fuck it i'll take the fine how many cops are going out there and just randomly shooting people in the head it's not random they're following orders to do so the book called ordinary men and then they're rounding about world war two america we're in america It could never happen here because cops aren't human beings.
On the point about private security, potentially replacing cops, we, I think, all agreed that there's a problem with tickets, for example, when you're driving erratically, disproportionately affecting lower income people would a private security force not disproportionately impact lower income people because they wouldn't have the funds to hire the best security um i'm going to answer his question earlier because i think that's much more german and i'll get to yours uh yes in america there have not been examples of cops rounding up and
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killing uh people thank god uh killing kids my point being i don't think that the polish mind or the german mind or any other country's mind is that radically different from god help us uh from how american uh uh people operate number one number one but can you show that having a private police force would be somehow better than what we have currently because you've all you've done is criticize the police that we have in this country, you haven't shown at all that a private police force would somehow be better.
Do you have an example?
Do you have any data?
What do you think would, how could it be actually possible?
We can all agree that there are good and bad police, and a lot of us have seen both.
But is the answer to do away with police in favor of private security or rework the police system, for example, make it easier to fire a cop for not doing their job, which in the end is to uphold and protect the constitution because if police are human then so are private security if some can be a feckless cunt one is
stomping private security garn that's a great question curban the frog thank you and he's right though though i mean it's a great question i I absolutely agree with that question.
Richie, there's a microphone so we can hear you, so the people that watch this later can actually hear it instead of just I want to raise the anarchy.
get louder though.
All right, Richie, thank you.
Now we can't hear you.
We can't it's we can't hear you richie there's no microphone to pick up your audio so it's a waste of time okay now all right shane thank you rick hodgson is rick hodgson here rick is rick here all right rick i see his ass right there real cute he's not here there's a lot of richards in this room i can feel it there's a lot of dicks and ricks all right rick what do you got for us uh When I say happy 19th anniversary to my wife Kate.
And kind of think the discussion of there not being a whole lot of humans in the police force coming up here pretty soon is something that we need to think start thinking about what he needs robots dude if those robots are like those postmate on wheel things i will that cop up son you said that about the lady cop that's how it happened i'm gonna try to fuck you man probo cop i'll start i'll start a scooter gang with you any day Man, you really are gay, huh?
It's amazing how freely you are putting wordss in my mouth.
And again, I don't care about this debate, but keep this in mind if you're ever talking to a cop or face with a crime.
That's all I want you all to take away from tonight.
Go ahead.
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But just as cops are still human, humans are also cops.
These are people who have gone through trainings and those trainings haven't been updated and that they should be updated for increased responsibilities and increased actions for their authorities.
Honestly, I think I'm going to take the cop side in this one.
If you watch the police body cam footage, a lot of times, even though in any other situation, they'd be knocking the person out, they're de-escalating and they're talking to someone who's complete trash and being like, sir, sir, sir.
And when that guy, there was a guy who went to Midtown Manhattan and shot up his office place.
When he came downstairs, NYC cops started shooting wildly.
at him and they missed and hit seven bystanders.
And the story that emerged was that the officers in New York were getting the bare minimum training because the city had decided if the cost of lawsuits are lower than the cost of training, they would prefer the lawsuits instead.
All right, so I'll give you some real talk here about police range shooting since I was a range officer for my department.
So one, NYPD has different Glock setups than everybody else.
They have a 10 plus pound trigger addition.
So normally a Glock is like seven to five pound trigger pull.
they have one so it has an additional five pounds if you do that to somebody which most cops are someone that gets one day of training that shoots there That's just qualification.
So you get officers that don't train, that only do qualification.
Now they have a heavier trigger squeeze.
And for everybody that knows anything about guns, the heavier a trigger squeeze is on a pistol, the firmer you have to grip it, right?
So you've got, you're sitting there pulling back 10, 15 pounds.
And if you've got a weak wrist and low or no training other than qualification, you're either going to push the pistol to the left or pull it to the right.
Every department would look at them because they're the largest city in the States and they got the largest department, like 40,000 or 70,000 officers, and they would say, what are they doing right?
And let's do it.
And one of the things that they see from New York State or New York City and what they're doing wrong is the additional pound on the trigger is their fear, I would say, or a logical fear of training on a firearm because they don't want them to use it.
It's almost like an intentional neglect on firearm training.
So then the officers aren't good at using it.
Therefore, they're fearful of using it.
So now they don't use it.
And then what happens?
People that actually need lethal force are either hurt in the crossfire, are either not being protected and lose their lives because the individual that's attacking them is not being stopped appropriately.
And, guys, thank you to everybody that came up here.
And thank you guys for coming out here tonight.
Seriously.
I know Tim appreciates it.
And a big shout-out to the club that, you know, they got it accidentally canceled, but then they brought it back.
So we love the D.C. Comedy Live.
It was just a misunderstanding.
But what do you got for it?
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us uh my question i guess would be for michael um so how would you in the instance of having all these private security in place of police, how would you handle large, like organized crime?
So one of the big issues that organized crime starts to begin with is black markets.
Right.
We saw this very quickly in America.
What happened with the rise of the mafia was prohibition.
And after a while, they started shooting enough cops.
The cops were like, I'm not enforcing this law.
And they repealed the law.
So if you have things like increased, you see something on what, Colorado, right?
If you have this kind of gang take over an apartment building and you have a community where everyone's armed and everyone has this sense of community, very quickly, it's going to have to be, someone's going to have to be violent at some point.
Right now, it's just kind of the cops are going to come in.
Otherwise, it would be much harder to come in to begin with.
But there's no easy, anyone who tells you there's an easy answer when you have a large population with weapons who are intent on doing your harm, there's no one sense to answer this in any situation.
So if somebody has to go in there and they have to be violent, wouldn't you prefer to be a police officer that's held liable by the community instead of a bunch of individuals that can do it without any sort of use of force?
Where I disagree with you is I don't think cops are ever held liable or else all those cops who killed all those dogs would be rotting in jail right now.
You can find me on Angry Cops on Twitter and YouTube and all the other stuff and also I'm Michael's partner and I'm prime time Alex Stein and you know what I'm about I'm about saving big booty Latinas we love big booty Latinas big booty Latinas Michael Malice I just want to remind you all that there's only two kinds of cops the bad cops and the ones who've been spoiled by the bad cops Jesus.
