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Is Trump Still Winning? | The Culture War LIVE Debate

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Ladies and gentlemen, I can't see any of you because the lights are so bright, but who cares?
This is the Culture War Live.
Welcome to the show.
alex stein
Welcome.
tim pool
We have an excellent panel here tonight.
Of course, as Brandon has explained, we're actually going to bring you guys up here to join the debate.
And the question is, is Trump still winning?
That's the question.
I see, I hear some yeses.
So we've got an excellent panel up here.
Of course, I am Tim Poole.
You guys know who I am.
Why don't we start from the left and we'll move down?
Would you like to introduce yourself?
@piscoshour
Trust me, I'm Pisco.
I'm an attorney.
I stream at Pisco's hour.
I think Trump's fucking up.
I mean, you guys know it.
gavin mcinnes
My name is Gavin McInnes.
I invented hipsters and Proud Boys and Vice.
And Trump is winning right now and will always be winning.
tim pool
This guy's texting.
alex stein
No, I'm getting the time already, guys.
I'm the Pimp on a Blamp on Primetime 99, Alex Sein.
You know who I am.
Let me hear it out there.
Let me hear some love.
Tucker Carlson's biological stepfather.
And I just want to say I love Donald Trump.
I really respect that he's going to protect big booty Latinez by not deporting housekeepers.
So I love that.
And we must protect them at all costs.
And yeah, that's me.
And we also have Matan, Evan, guys.
matan even
I would just like to security to be careful because I believe that man is gay.
tim pool
I agree.
matan even
He keeps denying it, but he may or may not have told me in the room over there that he had sex with a dog.
alex stein
It was a hypothetical thing.
matan even
I'm not asking.
I'm not claiming he did it.
gavin mcinnes
Is it gay to have sex with a dog?
matan even
It's a whole nother problem.
tim pool
Was the dog a guy?
gavin mcinnes
Bad habit.
unidentified
Was it a male dog?
tim pool
He won't do it.
gavin mcinnes
Mr. Grumpy Pants over here.
@piscoshour
I'm here to talk about Trump.
How about fucking dogs?
It's telling, I think, that you guys need to distract everything and make it about fucking dogs and fucking buttholes.
But we're here to talk about Trump fucking up the country.
tim pool
Okay, how's he fucking up the country?
@piscoshour
Yeah, well, let's start with Epstein.
Why isn't he releasing the files?
alex stein
Well, why didn't Biden release the files?
@piscoshour
Why isn't he releasing the files?
He promised he would do it.
People like fucking J.D. Vance said that they would do it.
It was a campaign issue, and he's fucking it all up, isn't he?
Yes or no?
Yes or no?
alex stein
Well, I do think that the phase one binders was not good, but we have to be patient because you know that there is a deep state.
You know, he can't just release it without.
@piscoshour
Give me a break.
He put these people in charge.
He put in his own people, Dan Bongino, deputy director of FBI.
He put in Cash Patel.
These fucking crazies who promised they would release these files and they're not doing it.
And they're going and they're talking now about like floating a pardon for Maxwell.
unidentified
Are you shitting me?
@piscoshour
And now you're going to tell us.
I bet you.
As soon as he pardons Maxwell, you guys are going to defend it because you're shills and you don't want to actually break into the relationship with the White House.
alex stein
Dude, nobody's going to defend the pardoning of Galen.
@piscoshour
Then why is he floating it?
Why is he the defense attorney?
alex stein
If you really actually look at this, though, I think we could estimate, and I don't know this for sure, but that this is classified levels of information that we're not allowed to do.
@piscoshour
Holy shit.
You didn't care about that during the election.
It shouldn't matter now.
You guys really got to accept, oh, it's classified.
It's classified.
alex stein
I want it released.
tim pool
Let me ask you.
Let me ask you this.
If Geely Maxwell has information that could lead to the arrest of Epstein co-conspirators, should they interview her?
@piscoshour
Absolutely.
tim pool
But what if she says, I will give up all this information, but I want immunity.
@piscoshour
Listen, I think that people are, yeah, the left is kind of over getting crazy about the queen of the day immunity stuff.
I'm okay with giving temporary immunity if it leads to indictments down the line.
The problem is you can't trust this White House that they're not cooking some deal with Maxwell right now.
You couldn't trust them when they said, we have the files that are on my desk.
And then it's, oh, the files don't exist.
And then finally, they were made by Obama.
No one, not even the most credulous member of this audience, believes that Obama made the fucking Epstein files.
Give me a break.
So we don't trust the administration.
They have no credibility.
matan even
That's not true.
I believe it.
@piscoshour
Should Pam Bonnie resign yes or no across the board?
matan even
I believe Obama made the files.
@piscoshour
Should Pam Bonnie resign?
matan even
You said something else.
@piscoshour
Should Pam Bonnie resign?
matan even
I don't even understand why you're asking me because I'm on it off topic.
alex stein
I don't think she should be fired.
I mean, she should be fired.
@piscoshour
Pam Bonnie should be fired.
alex stein
I mean, I think so.
@piscoshour
Do you think that Pam Bonnie's been fired?
alex stein
Well, I don't, hey, but I don't like that Pam Bonnie was the Attorney General of Florida when Epstein, when they said, they're scared.
@piscoshour
They're scared to criticize Pam Bonnie.
alex stein
They know she's fucking.
I'm scared.
I'm not scared.
tim pool
Well, hold on, hold on.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, Pisco, Pisco.
Of all of the issues to bring up first, this is the one that's actually divisive among the Trump supporters.
alex stein
That is true.
Hey, Pisco, at least, at least Trump supporters are actually holding our own account.
@piscoshour
I don't think so.
gavin mcinnes
There's a huge split.
@piscoshour
I don't think so.
alex stein
There's a huge split within the Conservative Party.
gavin mcinnes
In the Epstein files.
You got us.
Okay.
@piscoshour
All right.
gavin mcinnes
So why are you jerking off the second our guy does one bad thing?
It's like you caught your dad farting and you won't shut up about it.
@piscoshour
One bad thing.
Do you mean when you say you did one bad thing?
Yeah, he didn't fucking covering up a pedophile ring.
Is that what you mean by one bad thing?
gavin mcinnes
We were never big on Epstein.
@piscoshour
You were never big on Epstein.
gavin mcinnes
It's a bunch of guys.
It's a big fucking 17-year-old.
unidentified
We never fucking prove 17-year-olds.
gavin mcinnes
I don't think Trump fucked 17-year-olds.
I think he was injected In the Epstein files.
@piscoshour
He's lying.
gavin mcinnes
So he's changing.
He doesn't want it to get out there.
@piscoshour
Is he lying?
gavin mcinnes
It's very embarrassing.
@piscoshour
Is he lying?
gavin mcinnes
You got us.
@piscoshour
Is he lying, Gabby?
unidentified
You got us.
@piscoshour
Is he lying?
gavin mcinnes
Yes.
tim pool
Yes, he's lying.
gavin mcinnes
It's a lie.
@piscoshour
You're going to trust me.
gavin mcinnes
We thought the MC files would fuck you, and then we saw you put us in.
You never really cared.
@piscoshour
So you never really cared about it.
gavin mcinnes
You win this tiny little battle.
@piscoshour
We can't actually trust us in administration on the most important issues, right?
unidentified
Is there a Cabal?com Cabal.
@piscoshour
And you copy fucking up wrong.
gavin mcinnes
It's like January 6th.
unidentified
You guys are fucking up.
gavin mcinnes
We fuck up once.
You guys are up.
All you know is fuck up.
@piscoshour
And now, Gavin's.
gavin mcinnes
January 6th.
@piscoshour
I didn't bring up January 6th.
tim pool
You brought up.
alex stein
Let's reorganize January 6th.
tim pool
Let's not get too let's not get super excited.
This is an issue that is divisive among the Trump space, and it's where you actually can see a split.
A lot of people are upset the way he's handling it.
There are many people who back Trump who now believe that he may be involved.
There's a lot of conservatarians we call him.
They're like libertarian conservative leaning.
@piscoshour
What do you believe, Tim?
tim pool
I think Trump is likely involved in some way in the Epstein files.
To what degree?
I honestly don't know.
I believe.
@piscoshour
Should Bondi be fired?
tim pool
Should who be fired?
@piscoshour
Should Pam Bondi be fired?
tim pool
To be honest, that's a very specific question related to an administration for which I don't have enough information on the Epstein files.
@piscoshour
Yeah, because you have to build up your credibility with the White House because ultimately you rely on those relationships.
And so not going to come out and say what Pam Bonnie did.
Can you at least admit she blew it?
She blew it by her.
alex stein
I think everybody agrees.
tim pool
The facebook fuck up.
gavin mcinnes
Hey, go friend.
tim pool
Listen, listen.
If we're being honest about what Pam Bondi has done, it is a political question.
It is an HR question of whether she is being effective.
My personal opinion is she's not, but I don't know what else is going on.
And so you're asking me about a hiring and firing decision of which someone I'm disappointed in who's fucked up really.
@piscoshour
She's not doing the job.
Her job right now is running, just like Tulsi Gabbard, just like Dan Bongino, is to go on Fox News and yap all day.
Is she enforcing the fucking law?
No, she's not.
She's doing her makeup and she's going on Fox News.
That's her job right now and running cover now.
That's why Tulsi is putting in Obama gate, the Obama files.
No one believes it.
It's one distraction after another.
They're going to release you the MLK files.
Like anyone's going to be distracted.
They're going to give this like bullshit theory about the Obama gate and the Obama files.
Like that's going to discuss anything.
tim pool
What's bullshit about this?
@piscoshour
About what?
The MLK files?
The Obama files.
Well, okay.
So the Obama file narrative is bullshit because there is no contradiction between the allegation made by Obama in, or sorry, the IC community.
matan even
I think we need to commit Dember.
I think we need to support Trump even if he is Epstein because he's the only one trying to save the country.
You're sitting there.
@piscoshour
That's your priority.
He just said we should.
matan even
The Grey White Hole.
@piscoshour
He just said we should.
You guys laugh it off as a joke.
You laughed at us.
matan even
You're not offering anything.
gavin mcinnes
It's so fun.
matan even
You're just talking.
gavin mcinnes
It's so unfun.
You're so upset all the time.
@piscoshour
He's gay.
gavin mcinnes
So now we're winning.
@piscoshour
So now what they're saying is this is all just a joke to them.
They don't actually care.
It's not serious to them.
The Epstein issue, it's all.
matan even
It doesn't sound serious to you.
@piscoshour
It's only when they try to sell it to you.
They try to sell it to you for years and years.
They don't think much of you as an audience.
They basically think that you're sheep.
tim pool
Well, to be honest, to be fair, I literally can't see anybody right now.
gavin mcinnes
No, no, no, but you're a pedantic worry ward that I hate everyone in the world.
It's pedantry.
@piscoshour
It's pedantry to focus on Epstein.
That's what these guys are trying to sell to you.
unidentified
That's not what we're doing.
gavin mcinnes
It's a win, it's a win.
@piscoshour
It's a huge win.
Yeah, okay.
So other aspects of Trump.
Do you want to move on from Epstein?
tim pool
It's a lot of people.
unidentified
That's what I asked about the Obama stuff.
@piscoshour
I'm happy to move on from Epstein.
tim pool
So let me hear, by the way, let me start with this.
alex stein
And we need a beer for Gavin.
Can we get it out of this?
tim pool
Let's start here real quick for Pisco.
The September 18th, 2020, ICA stated that Obama ordered Brennan to release raw intelligence that was not up to their standards for release as they found it to be highly dubious.
The predicate for the narrative that Vladimir Putin wanted Trump to win was a sentence fragment.
It was incomplete, and five different analysts read it five different ways.
That's verbatim from false.
@piscoshour
Read the Mueller report.
unidentified
Hold on.
@piscoshour
Read.
Excuse me.
You can boo.
You can boo all you want.
tim pool
Robert.
@piscoshour
You can boo all you want.
Robert Mueller.
John Durham.
alex stein
Hey, guys, chill, chill, chill.
Robert Mueller.
@piscoshour
John Durham.
Who's John Durham?
John Durham is a special counsel appointed by Bill Barr, by your fucking daddy.
By Trump.
Yeah, John Durham is a traitor.
tim pool
This is a problem.
This is conspiratorial Pisco.
Yeah, go for it.
So is your argument that you are choosing to weigh the ward over one man over another man?
@piscoshour
I'm weighing the evidence, right?
What is the evidence?
So one piece of evidence that you have to deal with is the following.
That after the story of Grab Them by the Pussy, the Axis Hollywood tape.
You guys remember that shit?
gavin mcinnes
Yeah, that was horrible.
Oh, my God.
An hour or so later.
@piscoshour
An hour or so later, WikiLeaks, WikiLeaks, in coordination with the IRA and the GRU release a bunch of materials just coincidentally, the hour after.
We have actual records of these members of the Russian intelligence.
We prefer Trump.
tim pool
Hold on, we got a fact question here.
You said in league with the IRA and the GRU.
@piscoshour
The Internet Research Agency.
Have you heard of it?
tim pool
I'm asking you.
@piscoshour
Have you heard of the Internet Research Agency?
Yes or no?
tim pool
Okay.
I'm asking you on that point because I understand you're making the connection to Russia.
@piscoshour
And the GRU, I said as well.
tim pool
Agreed.
What was the so WikiLeaks has never stated where they got the information from?
@piscoshour
Yeah, they're lying.
I mean, they're liars.
But we have that.
I'm not making you wrong.
We have communications.
This is pretty good point.
tim pool
Okay, just real quick.
The point I'm bringing up is that with conflicting sources, I am not making an assertion of which is right or wrong.
I'm just saying you've opted for one source over the other.
@piscoshour
I've opted for the actual evidence, and you haven't contested it, right?
Like, here's a piece of evidence.
tim pool
Well, I am.
Wikileaks.
I'm contesting it.
@piscoshour
So do you contest the factual?
tim pool
I'm saying that there are different arguments as to where WikiLeaks got the information from, and some trust one and some trust another.
And I'm not telling you you're wrong.
I'm saying your argument is predicated upon one side of that argument.
And that's okay.
I'm not telling you it means you're wrong.
I'm saying it's an important distinction for the audience.
@piscoshour
Okay, the other side of that argument is what?
What's the evidence that Russia preferred Clinton?
Do you have any evidence for that?
tim pool
That was in the 2020 ICA wasn't.
unidentified
No.
@piscoshour
I mean, though, the ICA was clear as it was.
There was a Tiller report.
tim pool
There's two ICAs.
At least that's why I said 2020.
@piscoshour
The 2017 one.
tim pool
Right, the 2020 one said that.
@piscoshour
The Senate intelligence, the House, led by Marco Rubio, Devin Nunes led one.
They all come to the same conclusion.
And now you're, by the way, you're relitigating this, even though it's already been established.
Even though in Tulsi Gabbard's own statement, she's acknowledging that the Russians are at least interfering.
Will you at least acknowledge now that Russia interfered in our election in 2016?
gavin mcinnes
To an irrelevant degree.
@piscoshour
Okay, it's irrelevant.
People actually contested this.
gavin mcinnes
People would actually prefer Hillary because Putin wants chaos and Hillary would be bad for America.
And that's what he wants.
tim pool
So the 2020 ICA pointed out that Hillary was sick.
And there was some analysts that believed having a sickly coughing.
Hillary, of course, was on some medication.
They said she had pneumonia.
She collapsed outside of the World Trade Center Memorial event.
And one of the arguments, this is from the ICA report.
Putin wanted her because she was unstable and was concerned about an aggressive Trump.
But we don't know because the initial raw intelligence in 2016 was a sentence fragment that Obama determined, despite not meeting the standards of the intelligence community, would be published anyway, for which over the objections of members of the IC.
Yeah, no, so that's what was released.
@piscoshour
This is a particular subset of evidence.
I mean, and I agree, I am.
tim pool
And I'm not saying one's right or the other, but you are choosing one is correct and ignoring the evidence.
@piscoshour
So I'm choosing, if we're just doing this based on who do you trust, right?
So you're trusting Russia over John Durham, over Robert Mueller, over the overall technology of the State Department.
tim pool
The 2020 ICA was evidence.
@piscoshour
And if they're all in the intelligence committee assessment, now we're relitigating the 2016 election instead of talking about Epstein because that's what Trump wants you to do.
And those are your marching orders.
But I'm happy to move on from Epstein if we can just acknowledge it's uncomfortable to continue talking about.
gavin mcinnes
Will you at least concede that you look like Adrian Tomine who was locked in an Arby's for three years?
@piscoshour
I don't know who that is.
I don't know who that is.
It's all memes to them.
It's all memes.
gavin mcinnes
Admit it, Pisco.
@piscoshour
It's all memes to them.
matan even
I mean, like, wow, do you like Mike Pence?
@piscoshour
Do I like him?
No, I don't like him.
matan even
Okay, so we're in agreement.
I don't think Trump is winning until Mike Pence.
How about that?
I can't see anybody.
@piscoshour
Trump appointed him.
matan even
I can't see anybody because of the lights here, but I would like to see a raise of hands who thinks Mike Pence should be.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
@piscoshour
You're saying that.
matan even
I didn't say that.
@piscoshour
I said the reference.
gavin mcinnes
I think proof that we're winning is this event.
@piscoshour
What Games Rolls is.
gavin mcinnes
They shut it down, and then everyone who wanted to see this said, don't shut it down.
And we had it back.
I've never seen that happen before.
alex stein
Yeah, so guys, give yourselves a round of applause for being here.
And try to shut it down.
They brought it back up.
tim pool
Let me say this, because it's a side question of the question of what Trump's administration is capable of.
But in the culture war, I think it is fair to say perhaps we haven't won, but we have an insurmountable advantage on this battlefield with an example being after the event was polled, I got on the phone with Alex Stein screaming that they got us, they got us, and Alex said, we'll never get the show back.
And then the next day, within less than 12 hours, we got the show back, all three of them.
alex stein
That's because of you guys.
Thank you.
tim pool
But, you know, we were talking about this, and we did an event in, I think it was, I don't know if Sean, it was 2019, maybe.
And far leftists threatened to burn down the theater in Pittman, New Jersey.
And so the guy, even though we had the venue book for nine months in a contract, canceled on us and told us to go fuck ourselves.
And we were actually pretty shocked because like, okay, you want to face a lawsuit?
And he goes, fuck you, sue me.
And we were like, damn.
The issue was there was a genuine fear that you will be murdered by the far left and they will destroy your life, take your home.
They can stand in front of your house with firebombs and nothing can be done about it.
You can't defend yourself with a weapon in your jersey.
But now the sentiment has shifted to where we're seeing Colbert get canceled.
We're seeing, you know, we call it the Bud Light effect.
Culturally, whether, and again, this is a side issue, the whole Trump thing.
Culturally, I think we own the battlefield right now.
@piscoshour
And I think that you guys are making excuses for how Trump is using the authoritarian powers of the state to contribute to that culture war.
So for example.
matan even
You should become the kid.
@piscoshour
So for example, Trump is now putting conditions on the curriculum of Colombia to be more pro-Israel.
Do you guys agree with that?
tim pool
What are the conditions?
@piscoshour
So the conditions, for example, that they need to check to make sure that everyone is not treating Israel differently than they would treat other countries, making sure there's no anti-Semitism curriculum, which is a bad of Jewish students harassing them.
gavin mcinnes
They were at the same time.
So that had janitors.
@piscoshour
So you're acknowledging that you agree with the government getting in there and deciding what's fit for the curriculum of Colombia.
gavin mcinnes
They're taking government money.
They're taking government money and Jewish kids are getting harassed and having to lock themselves in rooms.
@piscoshour
So you're okay with saying, yeah, I'm fucking sick.
It's sick that Trump is going in there and make all the curriculum pro-Israel.
Yes or no?
tim pool
He's going to agree with that.
gavin mcinnes
You can't have my money if you support it.
@piscoshour
If you're not pro-Israel, if you're not pro-Israel, is that right?
Is that right?
tim pool
Pisco, let me ask you.
@piscoshour
Is that right?
You can't get the money on the streets.
gavin mcinnes
I answer phrases your own way.
Is that right?
@piscoshour
Is that right?
This is like college shit.
tim pool
I'm going to answer your point right now before everyone is pro-Islamic.
Pisco, I'm going to answer you.
I'm going to answer you.
I don't think anybody should be forced to be pro-Israel.
But if the question is like an institution is discriminating against a group based on race or ethnicity, then the government should intervene to stop that.
@piscoshour
Oh, really?
I mean, you kind of sound like the loyalty.
gavin mcinnes
Think of it as like a white power rally with all these technologies.
tim pool
Yeah, that's.
gavin mcinnes
Blacks go home.
All blacks need to be...
That's what that was.
@piscoshour
This is the same argument.
People are talking about.
tim pool
My position has never changed on this.
@piscoshour
Cancel culture and free speech on campus when schools are restricting because they went too far.
I agree with that.
I want to pause this.
Pisco, racism matters only for Israel.
tim pool
Could not appreciate his honesty more that what you have always supported, what we have always opposed, was the use of violence against ideas you did not like.
So when I see far leftists showing up, we have protesters outside right now.
gavin mcinnes
Threatening should be arrested.
tim pool
No, it's bigger than two groups.
When leftists threaten to murder me and my family and they do, that's a problem.
gavin mcinnes
Do they murder you and your family?
tim pool
Threaten to.
@piscoshour
Wait, Tim, I totally agree.
They should unburn the Tesla.
They should unburn the Waymos.
I don't agree with that shit.
I mean, I'm not in favor of violence.
tim pool
So if there are people at a university and they're targeting any racial group or ethnic group, it is the job, in my opinion, of government to be like, hey, our law enforcement will not let you do this.
@piscoshour
Enforce the law.
That doesn't mean you need to put speech codes in every fucking university.
tim pool
Enforce that.
@piscoshour
That's why there's nothing.
We have laws against harassment.
gavin mcinnes
They did not enforce the law.
@piscoshour
Have you read the letter to Harvard?
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
Pisco.
gavin mcinnes
They beat this.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait, hold on, John.
Hold on.
I just realized something.
@piscoshour
Just like Go Jan Scott.
gavin mcinnes
I just realized.
@piscoshour
They beat up police officers, didn't they?
gavin mcinnes
That's a myth.
@piscoshour
Oh, it's a myth.
gavin mcinnes
Yeah, it's a myth.
alex stein
And who died?
Conservatives died.
@piscoshour
No, I know.
unidentified
No officers were died that day.
gavin mcinnes
That's all a lie.
@piscoshour
So just to be clear, so it's a lie that you saw with your own eyes cops being beaten by Jan 6 terrorists.
Or I didn't say die.
I didn't say kill.
unidentified
Okay, okay.
@piscoshour
So right now you're defending the terrorist scum who attacked cops on Jan 6.
gavin mcinnes
Terrorist scum.
@piscoshour
Can I tell you?
I hit a nerve.
tim pool
Guys, I'm considering ending the show.
@piscoshour
Why?
tim pool
Because Pisco admitted Trump is winning on the Columbia issue.
@piscoshour
Why is he winning?
You think he's winning?
tim pool
You literally just said that Trump is imposing these restrictions and forcing his will on the university.
So Trump winning, yes.
So I think you would have a nice favorite.
@piscoshour
I think that campus lefties definitely went too far.
And I was writing in my student newspaper saying, let kids wear sombreros, right?
I'm Hispanic, and people called me an uncle Jose because I was like, I don't care about ponchos.
I don't care about sombreros.
I'm cool with all that shit.
But what we're talking about is something different is the government stepping in and saying, hey, have you read that letter to Harvard, by the way?
We're like, you have to have a monitor to check whether there's anti-Semitism.
This is literally campus police.
And you guys should care about it if you care about free.
tim pool
I think that's dumb.
@piscoshour
Yeah, it's dumb.
tim pool
And I don't like the idea that I think it is fair to say that while there is a surface-level principled argument on you shouldn't run a university that targets any group of students based on their race or ethnicity, it is pretty obvious the State Department was pulling visas from people critical of Israel.
@piscoshour
100% they were.
And they were doing it in Mahmoud Khalil.
And did you support Mahmoud Khalil in that conversation?
You were a little waving.
tim pool
Do I support him in what capacity?
@piscoshour
And they said he should not have his green card taken away because of his statements.
gavin mcinnes
Well, you understand you guys are done with free speech.
Like, you made me into a hypocrite.
I want leftist bans canceled.
I want leftist shows canceled.
You cancel our shows.
I want your fucking shows canceled.
You monitor our speech.
I want your speech monitor.
@piscoshour
This is victims.
gavin mcinnes
I want revenge.
@piscoshour
Did you guys really buy this?
unidentified
Yeah.
gavin mcinnes
I'm done with altruism.
I'm a hypocrite now because of you.
You guys opened the Pandora's box of censorship, so now I want you censors.
@piscoshour
And so now Israel controls everything.
So now Israel controls.
gavin mcinnes
I don't want you talking.
@piscoshour
Yeah.
gavin mcinnes
I want you.
@piscoshour
So now Israel controls everything.
I mean, okay, but wait, wait, wait, wait.
tim pool
Blaming Israel.
I don't know why you're talking about Israel now.
@piscoshour
Well, because the speech codes and the speech, I don't know if you want to call them codes.
gavin mcinnes
It's almost impossible to be anti-Semitic on campuses these days.
@piscoshour
Hang on.
Do you think that anti-Semitism is protected speech?
It should be protected speech in this country.
tim pool
Yes.
gavin mcinnes
There is nothing that prospers more in America than anti-Semitism.
You can go anywhere.
It's the cool thing to do with young people.
@piscoshour
Should it be legal?
gavin mcinnes
They all wear kafias.
We got Muslims outside that are mad at Tim.
I don't even know why.
He insulted Muhammad or something.
So I don't think there's a real problem with anti-Semitism people being wiped out.
It's fucking everywhere, bro.
unidentified
So he would throw you into jail because it's anti-white.
@piscoshour
And what are they going to define as anti-Semitism next?
Do you oppose Israel's intervention in Gaza?
I agree with anti-Semitism?
tim pool
I will add, to Gavin's point, I don't know that I would go as hard with it the way he's describing it, but we have talked about how my position of free speech has changed slightly in that in the 2010s, I would do this thing where I'm like, look, I don't agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death of your right to say it.
And then I realized that I was handing weapons to the people trying to destroy me.
And so I said, revision, I will defend your right to speak so long as you agree with my right to speak.
But if you are a communist or Marxist or fundamentalist who wants to strip rights from other people, I will not defend you in any sense.
@piscoshour
The problem of the First Amendment is I think it is often conceived as an individual right.
And I think that it should be better thought as a restriction on the power of government, right?
What does the First Amendment say?
Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.
And so when you make the right of free speech contingent on how other people treat your right, I think you're missing the point of the First Amendment, which is saying that we don't trust the elites.
We don't trust the government shills to decide for themselves what is anti-Semitic, what's fit for consumption, and what's not, except for in narrow categories of things like illegal pornography, things like harassment, things like defamation.
Those categories are historical exceptions.
But broadly, we don't trust the government.
tim pool
So let's agree on the fact that Trump is winning in that regard.
gavin mcinnes
Sounds nice in this idea.
tim pool
Trump is getting through his agenda.
The universities are forced to do it.
He's taking money from these universities.
His will is.
@piscoshour
Well, he's successful at bad things, and that's your gotcha.
Oh, he's doing really well at doing like authoritarianism during its first speech.
Okay, I guess he's successful at doing something.
tim pool
But let's weigh that between what the left was doing versus what Trump is doing.
And I'm just like, oh, this old game again.
So if the question is, is Trump winning in that regard?
It's like, you don't have to agree with him, but he is winning.
@piscoshour
Okay.
tim pool
Right?
@piscoshour
I mean, he's winning at doing something bad.
That's your.
tim pool
Thank you for coming, everybody.
unidentified
This has been the culture.
@piscoshour
Real quick.
So let's go.
gavin mcinnes
Let's see.
Can I get a beer?
I don't think they have bud, but this is like a certain amount of colours.
@piscoshour
I'd love a beer, too.
alex stein
Is there like a waitress?
Is there a waiter, waitress, second?
matan even
I would like a bowl of penny.
alex stein
Why do we order one?
tim pool
But let's segue.
Let's segue to the hard issues, the hard facts.
Border security.
Trump says zero, the reporting zero.
He even said I don't believe that number is really low, but the border biometrics does appear to be secure.
There is a possibility that this will be the first net negative migration month as an agenda item for the Trump voters and for the Trump administration.
That is winning.
@piscoshour
Yeah, so let's address the border, right?
I don't give Trump credit for doing like illegal shit to get the border numbers down.
gavin mcinnes
Illegal shit.
@piscoshour
Yeah, illegal shit.
Illegal shit.
gavin mcinnes
So for example, because reporting illegals is illegal now?
@piscoshour
No, no, no.
So I don't, so I don't give credit.
I'll repeat it again.
You guys can so yeah if you want.
I don't give credit for someone getting border numbers down, border crossings down, by doing illegal shit.
So for example, so for example, illegal renditions without due process to Sikkot, that's illegal shit.
Closing asylum down, as was found by a district court, I think a couple weeks ago, the same thing that Biden did, by the way, with Ty critique, I said it was impeachable when Biden did it, in contravention of the asylum statutes and the Immigration Nationality Act.
That's illegal shit that he's doing.
And then you see it.
You see it.
If you disagree, they want to use the powers of the state against you.
tim pool
Bro, he's joking.
@piscoshour
I know, I know, but like, just, it's part of that.
It's part of that, I think, just classic authoritarian.
tim pool
All right, well, look, I'll give you that.
I'm going to give him credit for that.
gavin mcinnes
You're joking.
I'll give you authoritarians.
tim pool
We're going to retitle.
gavin mcinnes
No authoritarian jokes, please.
tim pool
We're going to retitle the name of the show, too.
Is Trump winning legally?
That way we can keep going.
Otherwise, we all agree Trump won't.
@piscoshour
It's funny he says no authoritarian jokes when he literally wants to ban certain speech he doesn't like on campus.
I mean, you act like you're the free speech guy.
gavin mcinnes
Total horror.
You fucking liar.
@piscoshour
Wait, you just said, I don't give a shit about free speech on campus.
Anti-Semitism.
gavin mcinnes
You jumped out.
@piscoshour
We should stomp that out.
We should stomp that out.
gavin mcinnes
Why did it jump to campus?
And why are you guys so concerned about fucking illegal aliens?
Like, your priorities are so backwards.
There's some pedophile out there who's fucking super trafficking.
And you go, we need due process.
@piscoshour
Okay.
gavin mcinnes
He needs to go to court.
We have 30 million illegals.
Trump has supported like 14,000.
Not even close to Obama number.
Will you shut up?
@piscoshour
You can't talk shit about pedophiles.
gavin mcinnes
Will you shut the fuck up?
That's done with someone time.
@piscoshour
So you just granted.
tim pool
Okay, well, let me talk about it.
gavin mcinnes
Welcome to the Blabbermouth hour.
@piscoshour
Yeah, I mean, like, you just granted there was a win-win pedophile cover-up, and now you're saying that, like, 16-year-olds is just gross.
gavin mcinnes
Not according to Motley Crew and David Bowen.
tim pool
So, so, okay, so hold on.
unidentified
So, I mean, you agree that Trump got the number of fucking illegal aliens.
tim pool
The illegal immigration number is down under Trump?
@piscoshour
Yes, the number of crossings is down.
tim pool
Oh, that's a victory for Trump.
That's a huge.
alex stein
Yes, and he said that he's not going to deport hotel workers so the big booty Latinas get to stay.
@piscoshour
Yeah, what do you guys think of that?
Amnesty.
tim pool
He walked it back.
alex stein
I'm at four.
gavin mcinnes
If you're in 95, take a chip out of the 12 million Biden let in.
That's as many as Ellis Island in its totality.
If he did 30,000 a day, we would not be able to take a chip out of the 42 million that are here to deport these people.
@piscoshour
Are you okay with the legal?
gavin mcinnes
When you're here illegally, there's no illegal due process when you're here illegally.
tim pool
But there is.
There is.
@piscoshour
There is, obviously.
tim pool
Due process just means the process for which you are due.
Which, in the case of an illegal immigrant, is an expedition.
It's an expedited removal.
@piscoshour
You're okay with that.
They literally just arrest you and you're taking illegal action to deport people.
Is that right?
gavin mcinnes
I hate that whole thing you do.
You say it your way and then go, is that right?
alex stein
You guys go get your chance.
gavin mcinnes
So you're okay with Trump rapes.
Is that it?
You want children to get raped?
Is that what you're saying?
@piscoshour
No, I'm not.
No, I'm not.
gavin mcinnes
No, I'm saying what you do.
@piscoshour
Okay.
gavin mcinnes
It's an analogy.
tim pool
Pisco, you're literally arguing that you want children to get raped?
@piscoshour
I'm not arguing that.
tim pool
Oh.
Well, I don't know why you think that's a good idea.
gavin mcinnes
People should be able to live their lives.
People should be able to live their lives.
You don't think people should be able to live?
You think people should die?
You want people to die?
Do you want to make that straight?
@piscoshour
These people are not going to be able to do it.
gavin mcinnes
So you think people should die?
@piscoshour
Okay, we should die.
So say it with your chest.
Yeah, I don't give a fuck if the government does illegal shit.
gavin mcinnes
I don't give a fuck about illegal aliens.
@piscoshour
No, but you don't have to get them out of here.
You don't give a fuck if the government does illegal shit.
matan even
Can I ask you a question?
I just want an answer.
Yes or no?
That's it.
Just one word.
Did or did you not a dog?
Just a yes or no.
gavin mcinnes
Can you not a dog?
How do you make love to a dog?
matan even
Well, that's my question.
gavin mcinnes
Ow, stop.
I'm not into this.
matan even
You get all mad when people don't answer your questions, but you won't answer mine.
@piscoshour
I think my questions are topical.
I think they're related to what we're here to discuss.
matan even
Okay, that's fine.
I don't agree.
I think your questions are not topical.
I think mine is topical.
@piscoshour
Okay.
matan even
Why wouldn't you answer that question?
It should be really easy for most people.
gavin mcinnes
It's not topical.
You think it's okay.
matan even
Why would anybody refuse to answer that question?
gavin mcinnes
So that's cool.
@piscoshour
Immigration policy generally and whether or not you're immigration.
matan even
No, hold on a minute.
I need an answer on that.
@piscoshour
Immigration policy.
matan even
Hold on.
@piscoshour
Immigration policy.
matan even
Hold on.
@piscoshour
Immigration is you guys brought up immigration and the issue of whether or not you're going to.
unidentified
Who in their right mind would refuse to answer that?
matan even
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
alex stein
He's acting the best you got.
@piscoshour
Wait, he's acting guilty.
tim pool
He's acting guilty.
unidentified
Just like Trump next to the best you got.
matan even
So I'll give you the benefit.
Hold on, hold on.
@piscoshour
The way that they're going to try to hide the cover-up is.
alex stein
Hey, real quick, guys.
Like, when you guys scream sentences, we can't understand.
We can't hear you.
If you put your name in the hat, you're going to be able to tell us whatever you want.
So try to, you know, that's that's how you got to say that.
matan even
Wait, hold on, hold on.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he didn't, but he's so annoying that he just refuses to answer.
Now everybody here thinks he r the dog.
Why don't you just say no?
Are you dying?
@piscoshour
This is the best you got.
gavin mcinnes
Say no.
@piscoshour
This is the best you got.
matan even
Just answer my question.
tim pool
So wait, wait, are we going by dog years or it's actual age?
@piscoshour
So we're here to discuss Trump.
matan even
No, the dog.
Now we're on the topic of the dog.
@piscoshour
They can't defend it.
matan even
The topic has changed.
We've shipped jail, buddy.
@piscoshour
They have to meme.
gavin mcinnes
Just say no.
@piscoshour
So I'm here to discuss whether Trump is fucking up.
He obviously is.
matan even
I'm going to answer the question about the dog.
tim pool
I know that answer for Matana.
You know, you're asking about Trump fucking up, and I hear these liberals saying Trump is acting real guilty.
matan even
Fucking dogs.
tim pool
And then when he asks you about a dog to make a point, you refuse to answer it.
You're sounding real guilty.
@piscoshour
Hang on a second.
So what liberals are saying, what the left is saying with the Epstein files, is that he is covering shit up.
tim pool
And we're saying that about the dog right now.
@piscoshour
But that's topical to the president of the United States that Trump is.
All right.
And that's based on his actual conduct.
matan even
There's a relevance in this room.
Everybody wants to know if their dog is safe, okay?
@piscoshour
Yeah.
matan even
So please go ahead and answer the question.
@piscoshour
So I'm not going to just address your bullshit.
I'm not going to.
This is a conversation.
matan even
Everybody already told you that they thought Trump was lying about the Epstein stuff.
@piscoshour
Yeah, and you're bringing it up.
matan even
What do you mean?
@piscoshour
We all just told you we thought he was lying.
So you're bringing it up as a comparison.
You're saying I'm not bringing anything up.
gavin mcinnes
Can anyone imagine if the left went through the kind of scrutiny that the right goes through?
Can you imagine if conservative, straight white males went through or anyone but that group had to deal with the kind of scrutiny that group gets?
Like if we fucking fart in the morning, these lefties all over us.
unidentified
If you cover that up, they fucking destroyed this country since Obama.
gavin mcinnes
They talk over you.
They won't shut the fuck up.
And we have to sit there prostrating ourselves, begging for forgiveness for January 6th.
And the Epstein files.
They keep destroying this fucking country with their communist fucking sabotage.
@piscoshour
Communist sabotage.
gavin mcinnes
Yeah.
That's what the left is.
alex stein
All right, guys.
All right, Pisco, guys.
Put a pin in it.
Hey, hey, hey, you're about to get your chance.
You get your name.
matan even
Hold on.
I have a question real quick.
alex stein
Let's get it.
matan even
If somebody's in the audience, do they get to get a mic and ask a question?
alex stein
Yes, they do.
So what's going to happen guys?
matan even
Hold on.
Can I ask a question?
alex stein
Yes, you can ask it.
unidentified
Did you that dog?
matan even
You can't sit here.
Everybody's going to answer the questions that they ask us.
You have to answer them too.
You can't be the one odd man out.
gavin mcinnes
Stop saying that.
Yeah, just say f that dog.
matan even
No, it's.
tim pool
How does the dog consent?
matan even
By the way, I don't think he did it.
I'm not accusing him.
I just think he's super prideful.
So it's funny because now he's all mad and like a little bit of a drink.
@piscoshour
I mean, I think it's important to like talk about what we're going to talk about.
matan even
Yeah, but now everybody hears Dink's dick.
@piscoshour
I think it's important.
I think our customers.
matan even
And they're going to take everything you said last year because I asked you as a joke, sort of, and you won't even say you didn't.
alex stein
So, I know, Piscu, just say no, and then we can.
@piscoshour
I'm not going to address it.
I'm not going to.
I'm not going to do it.
matan even
You're too proud.
tim pool
Wait, wait, hold on.
Is there some truth to the dog?
alex stein
Now I'm starting to feel kind of weird.
tim pool
This is real weird, man.
Address what?
matan even
You're not going to be able to do that.
gavin mcinnes
He's starting perjuring himself.
@piscoshour
I'm not going to discuss that or dignify it at all.
We're here to talk about Trump.
matan even
I did not know who you were before this.
There are previous accusations about this.
I was on a lucky streak.
alex stein
All right, guys.
Well, you are here because you're going to have your chance to debate any of these people.
You can debate the Libtard, Gavin, Tim, me, or Matan.
So how it's going to work now, the guy next to you.
So we're going to pull names out.
Tim and I will pull names out.
You're going to need to go over there in that corner because that's where we have the camera.
That's where the microphone is.
You got one minute to take your hottest take on Trump.
And it doesn't necessarily have to be Trump.
We'll let you guys have a little.
matan even
I think we all know what the first question needs to be.
unidentified
Yes.
alex stein
So with all that being said, let's call our first name.
Tim, you want to do it?
Just you pull the first name.
Okay.
All right.
Let's see.
Elizabeth Travis.
Come on down, Elizabeth.
Give it up for Elizabeth.
And so we can get through as many names as possible.
We got a sense of urgency.
Come on stage.
We got to go.
We're in a hurry.
So Elizabeth, go to the right right there.
You see the guy with the microphone?
Right in the doorway, guys.
devesh patel
Right over here.
You got one minute.
alex stein
All right, Elizabeth.
You got one freaking minute.
unidentified
Where's my money, Matan?
You owe me money.
matan even
You manager.
Okay, he'll have to answer if you ask him that question.
gavin mcinnes
No, where is her money, Matan?
matan even
I already told people online that I'm a scammer.
So if this is somebody I took money from, I don't have any...
unidentified
I was told I'd get a monthly in-and-out video of you trying it for the first time.
matan even
Well, I'm a camera.
I don't know what to tell you.
If I promised something and I didn't deliver on it, then that's on you.
I don't know why you trust somebody who keeps telling you they're a scammer.
alex stein
He has a point.
That is on you.
unidentified
Did he a dog?
matan even
Come on.
unidentified
Are you just going to say you're like a little fat baby just like dumping your feet on the bottom?
@piscoshour
I'm not going to address the actual issue here to discuss.
matan even
He's doing that.
devesh patel
Why won't you say no?
@piscoshour
I'm here to actually address the issue of the panel.
gavin mcinnes
He doesn't want to be perjured.
nick sortor
Just say yes.
I have one more question.
alex stein
Hurry.
matan even
Did you read that dog?
unidentified
Wait for comment.
alex stein
All right, Elizabeth.
unidentified
It's Mike Mike Single.
alex stein
Elizabeth, now that's good.
That's your one minute.
devesh patel
Whatever.
alex stein
You can go sit down.
All right, now let's call a name.
Let's go.
Give it up for Elizabeth, guys.
Clap her.
We like that.
She got scammed by Matan.
All right.
The next victim.
The one, the only, Max Goddard.
Come on down.
Come on, Max.
Is Max here?
gavin mcinnes
That's not as cool of a name as Elizabeth Travis.
I like that name.
alex stein
I know.
She's Randy.
gavin mcinnes
Garter's kind of a weird.
I'm going to take your garter belts.
Yeah.
alex stein
Randy Travis is dark.
gavin mcinnes
I'm a bummer of a last name.
alex stein
All right, Max, come on down.
You got one minute.
Your hottest take, brother.
unidentified
I don't really have any hot takes.
alex stein
Well, what do you want to debate?
unidentified
I will just say I think Trump's successes, the right successes are less because of our successes and more because of just the left's failures.
gavin mcinnes
Yeah.
unidentified
I mean, the left, they don't have any leadership.
They don't have any, there's not really anything going on with them.
gavin mcinnes
I think the left has been they have no drive anymore they have no i mean i think that's why they're farming out what's her name crockett jasmine crockett The name is so close now.
@piscoshour
It's all kind of big.
What's the point?
gavin mcinnes
Who could they possibly run for president?
alex stein
Yeah, come on.
tim pool
Come take a seat.
alex stein
AOC.
Come this way.
We'll bring him up.
Give it up, everybody.
tim pool
We got questions.
I actually, I kind of get what he's saying.
agree a lot but but you it is your argument Yep, that's what I'm saying.
Leave me to that mic when you get it.
alex stein
Talk into the mic.
unidentified
I'm trying to talk into the mic.
alex stein
There we go.
@piscoshour
So you don't think Trump has gotten any wins?
unidentified
I think he's gotten wins.
gavin mcinnes
What are you doing?
unidentified
You got it?
tim pool
I think.
We can't hear him, though.
gavin mcinnes
No.
You're not helping, Matan.
You're not helping at all.
unidentified
Hello.
We're good.
There's the immigration.
I mean, the decrease in illegal immigration that we have, that's excellent.
That's awesome.
I just, I mean, the Epstein stuff was that, That was bad.
That was a major setback.
You know, release the Epstein files and then we can talk about what happens to Bondi afterward.
But I think it's, you know, right now we're kind of at a little bit of a stagnation.
And the left, I mean, they don't really have much standing anymore.
@piscoshour
What do you think the Doge?
That was a failure, right?
gavin mcinnes
No, it did great.
@piscoshour
Elon Musk says it's a failure.
gavin mcinnes
It was abandoned too early.
@piscoshour
Elon Musk said it was a failure.
gavin mcinnes
So now it's a loss if the win isn't winny enough?
tim pool
To be fair, he is our shadow president.
We just don't tell the liberals.
@piscoshour
Well, I just want to say, like...
unidentified
That breakup did break my heart.
That was.
@piscoshour
Oh, did it really?
unidentified
I mean, I had such a beautiful relationship going on.
tim pool
Because Elon's our shadow president.
We were heartbroken over it.
@piscoshour
Yeah, that entire effort was supposedly to make the deficit go down to improve efficiency.
And now we just have this big bloated bill that is getting rid of Medicaid to give tax cuts to the richest people and to poor ducks.
Yeah, no, I think it's stupid.
I think it's wrong.
And it's counter to the thesis of what Doge was about.
That was a failed project.
Can we at least acknowledge that?
tim pool
No, you aren't correct.
@piscoshour
Okay, so what do we get out of Doge?
tim pool
So USAID has been shut down?
Yeah, so massive generational success with the end of USAID.
@piscoshour
Yeah, so like you don't want us funding these coups in foreign countries agreed.
unidentified
Coups in foreign countries.
@piscoshour
So should we also, by the way, defund Israel?
unidentified
Yes.
@piscoshour
Okay, so why is Trump, do you think?
tim pool
Why is AOC voting to fund Israel?
@piscoshour
Why is Trump being Netanyahu's bitch?
gavin mcinnes
He's got big beef with Netanyahu.
They're not getting along at all.
@piscoshour
No, he's giving them an open hand.
tim pool
But, you know, to be honest, like, I can, I try to look at the big picture of U.S. foreign policy spending and targeting a single country of Israel.
And we can certainly talk about Israel's influence in U.S. politics and all that.
I'm like, wait, well, hold on, hold on.
We're having a broader conversation on the totality of foreign policy.
Targeting a hot-button wedge issue kind of distracts from the conversation.
alex stein
All right, get out of here.
You're out of here, Max.
Get out of here.
tim pool
Hey, man, thanks for coming.
alex stein
All right.
unidentified
We can't give you shit for having your phone on.
alex stein
All right, our next victim, the one, the only brick suit.
Come on now.
Yeah, give him a brick suit.
gavin mcinnes
Wait, I thought I'm brick suit.
alex stein
Come on.
unidentified
Come here.
alex stein
Come on, Brick Suit.
Where are you at?
tim pool
He's putting on the brick suit.
gavin mcinnes
Putting on the bricks.
unidentified
Doodle.
All right, brother, you got one minute.
blake brick suit marnell
Okay, first of all, I've had nothing to do with that dog.
gavin mcinnes
I thought so.
blake brick suit marnell
Come and tell you, Trump is winning on all cylinders.
You might be picking around the margins of maybe one or two things that you don't like, but directionally, it's victory after victory after victory.
And since he's been in office, it looks like a rocky montage where the other fighter isn't landing a single punch.
It's just body blow after headshot after uppercut.
The left has no answer.
It's a complete and total victory.
tim pool
I mean, come on, come on, come on down.
@piscoshour
I'm really happy.
matan even
So you can't argue, Dodge.
@piscoshour
Trump promised prices would come down.
That was his promise.
They have not come down.
You know it.
blake brick suit marnell
How did you like it?
@piscoshour
You know it.
How did you know it?
You know it.
I know it.
Growth is anemic.
blake brick suit marnell
How did you like that graph?
@piscoshour
The tariffs are a disaster.
Everyone knows it, and people hate them.
That's why his approval rating on every single issue is coming down because people know, especially in including inflation, people know that he's not.
blake brick suit marnell
How'd you like that graph that the Democrats posted?
@piscoshour
I don't know what you're talking about.
blake brick suit marnell
Oh, yeah, the graph that said Trump is responsible for inflation.
They had to take it down after four hours.
The Democrats can't even post a graph.
@piscoshour
Trump promised.
blake brick suit marnell
What are you talking about?
Can't even post a graph.
@piscoshour
Trump promised to bring prices down.
He failed.
Yes or no?
tim pool
No.
gavin mcinnes
No.
@piscoshour
So prices have come down.
blake brick suit marnell
Yes.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Trump was roasted when he says, I don't know.
It's kind of hard to make prices go down.
@piscoshour
No, he promised they would come down.
Don't try to gaslight your audience now.
He promised the prices would come down.
tim pool
Trump literally got roasted for saying he didn't know if he could do it.
@piscoshour
He said prices would come down.
Everyone knows that they're not coming down globally.
gavin mcinnes
Saying everyone knows does not make it true.
And you're talking about prices in a country of 340 million people.
What prices are you specifically talking about?
Eggs?
Are we doing eggs?
Are we doing gas?
@piscoshour
I'm talking about inflation overall.
I'm not talking about specific commodities.
blake brick suit marnell
President Trump also said that a key component of reduction in prices would be the unlocking American energy and the decrease in cost in the energy sector would drive that.
And he specifically stated.
And he specifically stated that it would take up to a year for those results to come about.
So here we are after six months and you're complaining about promises.
@piscoshour
He said have a future.
blake brick suit marnell
So your premise is completely invalid.
@piscoshour
So Trump said the price would come down like on day one.
That's what he said.
blake brick suit marnell
And also not about energy.
@piscoshour
Yeah, yeah.
blake brick suit marnell
He said energy would take a while for it to come down and we are headed in that direction.
@piscoshour
So how are we heading in that direction actually?
Because he stopped.
So one of the things that Elon was arguing about in the big beautiful bill, you can say that it's self-serving all you want, but they got rid of a lot of these subsidies to improve energy that's actually booming in places like Texas at all for like electric cars and those kinds of energy sectors, solar energy, that kind of stuff.
We're falling behind China now, and these tariffs aren't going to make prices be better.
They're going to make prices be worse.
That's why the federal reserve is.
That's why the Federal Reserve has not lowered interest rates yet because they're worried about the inflationary effect of tariffs.
And you know it.
That's a broken promise.
gavin mcinnes
So for the terrorist, you know it and everybody knows it and you know it's really irritating.
@piscoshour
Do you agree with the tariffs?
gavin mcinnes
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
gavin mcinnes
It's called tough love.
@piscoshour
It's called tough love.
gavin mcinnes
It's like going to bed.
You don't want to go to bed, but you'll be well rested the next day.
@piscoshour
And we're all suffering.
unidentified
We're all suffering because it sucks to eat your vegetables, too.
alex stein
But Pisco, you know why he's putting the tariffs in place.
So we have a leverage in our geopolitical negotiations.
@piscoshour
He has inconsistent rationales.
On the one hand, it's to shore up domestic production.
But then he's touting all these deals.
If he's just trying to get better free trade deals, that's not going to shore up domestic production.
So on the one hand, he has this negotiation rationale that's totally at odds with his shoring up rationale.
And the deals suck.
They suck compared to what we have currently.
And he promised 90 deals in 90 days, and he failed on that, too.
constantly failing, underachieving, overpromising, underachieving.
That you guys still believe that he's still...
unidentified
So let me just...
gavin mcinnes
Imagine this microscope on Biden.
Can you fucking imagine?
@piscoshour
Get real.
gavin mcinnes
By the way, what is your problem with being mistaken for Gavin?
blake brick suit marnell
No, I can't tell you how many times it's happened in Vegas.
gavin mcinnes
Okay, that's it.
blake brick suit marnell
And I could have gotten away with it.
Like, chicks come up to see how you are Gavin?
gavin mcinnes
Why are you so adverse to that?
blake brick suit marnell
It's just like, you know, but I don't want to say that.
gavin mcinnes
I'm married.
Go get some pussy on my mouth.
blake brick suit marnell
Some of your reputation, you know?
So I just, I just great to be up here.
And once we're finally in the same room, so those rumors can be put to rest.
gavin mcinnes
Yeah, but it's not a bad thing.
blake brick suit marnell
No, I didn't say it was a bad thing.
gavin mcinnes
You sound like pretty concerned about it.
blake brick suit marnell
It's not like being him like stiff screws at all.
tim pool
I don't think it's you.
unidentified
You know, and they're like, I want to smell your dick after.
I don't know about that.
gavin mcinnes
I don't get out much.
tim pool
Here's all I'll say, Pisco.
Trump has made a ton of promises he did not fulfill, but that doesn't mean he isn't winning.
So we can, I think it's fair to say Trump promised this, that, or otherwise, we didn't get there.
We didn't get on some of these there yet.
Some look like we're not going to get, but across the board, we still face a net positive from his administration based on what we voted for.
@piscoshour
Really?
I mean, do you think that it's a net positive, for example, on corruption when Donald Trump accepts a $400 million worth Qatari plane?
tim pool
He should not accept the Qatari airplane.
No, he should not.
@piscoshour
Okay, so another since there's a thousand examples like that, his crypto scams.
tim pool
Oh, yeah?
@piscoshour
Yeah.
Oh, his corrupt deal with Mayor Adams.
matan even
Yeah, but that's their fault that they believed it.
Come on, it was obvious.
gavin mcinnes
You know what I constantly see from the left is this, when was America ever great?
And what they mean is it was never perfect.
They go, in 1986, which is the number I always use for when America was great.
They always go, oh, yeah, then taxes were high back then.
America was never perfect, but it was always the greatest.
That's what mega means.
It means the greatest of all the options.
It doesn't mean perfect.
@piscoshour
You hate America.
You hate everything that America stands for.
unidentified
Go have a beer with a fucking welder and tell me you try to overturn.
gavin mcinnes
Who would a plumber rather have a beer with?
@piscoshour
You overturn the election, you and your criminal friends.
You and your criminal friends try to overturn our election.
Yes, your criminal friends that your buddy in the White House pardoned these cop beaters and thugs.
So you don't like America.
You don't like the due process clause of the Constitution.
You don't like the First Amendment of the Constitution.
So to be 100% clear, I think that you stand in stark contrast to what America means and what it represents.
gavin mcinnes
You would be a pariah in a diversity.
Getting rid of birth in America.
blake brick suit marnell
Citizenship is awesome.
@piscoshour
Wait, wait, what did you say?
blake brick suit marnell
I said getting rid of birthright citizenship is awesome.
@piscoshour
These people don't know anything about the birthright citizenship clause.
gavin mcinnes
They're stupid.
That's so dumb.
@piscoshour
So you wanted to find the constitutional law.
gavin mcinnes
You guys are not educated.
blake brick suit marnell
Well, actually, contextually, as that was written from the contemporaneous notes of the people who authored that amendment, it did not, they expressly said that it would not apply the way it's spread the blood.
@piscoshour
No, that's for the slaves.
I'll explain.
tim pool
To give citizenship to slaves.
@piscoshour
No, no.
So the clause says subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
And that clause is meant to incorporate the English common law rule of birthright citizenship.
And that rule, as understood in the Supreme Court and Wong Kim Ark, you can read the case, applies to any persons, any persons born in this country, excluding like two or three categories of historical exceptions.
Children of ambassadors.
tim pool
Real quick, children of America.
What year was Wong Kim Art?
@piscoshour
1890-ish.
tim pool
What year was the 14th?
@piscoshour
The Fourth Amendment, 1868.
And by the way, the first restrictive immigration law, we had open borders in this country.
So let me just finish.
Up to 1875 in the PAGE Act, that was the first restrictive immigration law.
So it's preposterous to say that.
tim pool
So I have a question for you.
@piscoshour
Preposter to suggest that the citizenship clause, that the citizenship clause applies to illegal immigrants, you got to cut your Adderall prescription down by 50%.
There was no conception of that until 1875.
tim pool
I have a question for you, Pisco.
Yeah.
To settle the question, what year was the 14th?
@piscoshour
1868.
tim pool
And what year was Juan Kim Art?
@piscoshour
A couple decades after that.
tim pool
Is it two or three?
@piscoshour
It's maybe 20 or 30 years out.
tim pool
It seems like if there's a Supreme Court case on this, it meant that there was actually a debate happening for a generation as to whether or not it actually applied to citizens.
@piscoshour
No, that's not true.
I just explained it.
tim pool
Then why did it go to the Supreme Court?
@piscoshour
So what went to the Supreme Court was one instance where the child of the U.S. precedent was set.
No, no, a child of a laborer was coming back into the country.
He was born in the country and he was, you know, but we didn't have the INA back then.
These categories of here without status, these are modern conceptions.
And like I just explained to you that someone filed a lawsuit in 1875 was the very first restrictive immigration law.
tim pool
I can ask you a question.
So in the 1890s, when this precedent was set about birthright citizenship, it was actually contested to the Supreme Court.
@piscoshour
It was contested to the Supreme Court.
tim pool
Which means that nationally it was not agreed upon the 14th Amendment would apply to all peoples.
@piscoshour
Yeah, just because it's not agreed upon without.
gavin mcinnes
So who cares?
Chinese women who are eight and a half months pregnant are flying to America, giving birth, and then flying home.
The law is being abused.
It had to be repaired, and Trump repaired it.
tim pool
Thank you.
@piscoshour
When you say repair, you mean change.
unidentified
But Peacekeeper, you know there are people taking advantage of this.
@piscoshour
There are bad people who take advantage of every constitutional provision.
There are bad people who take advantage of the First Amendment.
alex stein
All right, that's fair.
I'm happy you agree that you lost.
I won that debate.
All right, guys.
Give it up for Brick Suit, everybody.
All right.
We love Brick Suit.
All right.
The next victim, come on down.
Kim Steele.
Where are you at?
gavin mcinnes
Kim?
Whoa, that's a cool name.
That's an action hero.
alex stein
Where are you at?
Come on down.
gavin mcinnes
Male or female, that's an action hero.
@piscoshour
Yeah.
gavin mcinnes
Kim Steele.
You know who we have to call?
Kim Steele.
alex stein
Latan, what do you think about Bricksuit?
matan even
About who?
alex stein
Brick Suit.
matan even
I think we need to take all those illegal immigrants and then sell them and then use the money to fund Lockheed Martin.
alex stein
Yes.
gavin mcinnes
That's a new take.
tim pool
I just learned something.
Someone super chatted IRL and explained to me that illegal immigrants count as three-fifths of a person.
It's true.
unidentified
They do.
tim pool
It is in the Constitution.
We looked it up.
It literally is.
It doesn't say slaves.
It literally says all other persons.
matan even
They don't have as many body parts to sell, so it'll be the same amount of money.
tim pool
But it's only three-fifths.
So they got to sell a cheaper rate.
@piscoshour
Are immigrants free persons?
tim pool
According, it says all other persons.
@piscoshour
Yeah.
So are immigrants free persons?
tim pool
Are you arguing that they're not three-fifths?
@piscoshour
I'm saying that they're free persons.
tim pool
As to the context of the Constitution when it was written, that's not what free persons referred to.
@piscoshour
What do you think it referred to?
tim pool
It referred to people in this country who are citizens of this country.
@piscoshour
No, that's not what it says.
So the framers were smart men.
They knew the difference between a person and a citizen.
For example, in like the Fourth Amendment Privileges or Immunities Clause, it makes reference to citizens when the requirements are.
tim pool
14th does as well.
@piscoshour
It's citizens.
These are lawyers.
They're smart.
So you're not always going to make a mistake like that.
tim pool
So is a person a citizen?
gavin mcinnes
They're kind of better than us lawyers, aren't they?
@piscoshour
Not all persons are citizens, but some citizens, Well, no.
Indentured servants aren't free persons, but non-citizens.
tim pool
Or illegal immigrants who are paying off debts to have traveled here, indentured servants, or free persons.
@piscoshour
So it'll depend on the context, obviously.
So if it's illegal.
devesh patel
Just give them some.
tim pool
So we're not revolutionary.
I accept your distinction, and I will clarify my position.
Many of the illegal immigrants, like the ones that they caught on the farm at the marijuana farm, are actually indentured servants.
They pay smugglers and coyotes, and they owe them a debt and have to work on cartel farms illegally in the United States to pay off the debt for travel.
We call that indentured servitude for three-fifths of a person.
I'm not an agreement.
@piscoshour
But if that relationship is illegal, then by the law, they're not indentured servitudes.
It's illegal.
alex stein
Okay, all right.
Now, Kim, you got one minute.
gavin mcinnes
Sorry, can I say something briefly on that subject?
Ben Bank has brought this up.
So did Tim Dylan.
They are three-fifths of a person, except for those weird Senegalese delivery guys with the cubic backpacks on their electric bikes.
Those aren't people.
I don't even think that's a problem.
unidentified
You ready, Alex?
alex stein
Yeah, Kim, what do you got for us?
unidentified
Well, I'm a boomer.
gavin mcinnes
Sorry to hear that.
unidentified
Well, I didn't birth myself, dude.
But, you know, I don't understand why this dude is up here running his mouth like this.
Where were you when the Biden administration was doing so many?
matan even
Where were you during 9-11?
gavin mcinnes
And where were you when we were getting out?
unidentified
And all these illegal come into our country and trash it.
Where were you when all that illegal shit was going on?
But you're going to bitch about Trump?
Really?
@piscoshour
Yeah, so I critiqued the Biden administration on a lot of policies.
I criticum, for example.
unidentified
Okay, did you go down to the border and protest him just opening it up so that we could all suffer?
@piscoshour
Yeah, it's a lie.
unidentified
No, it is not.
@piscoshour
It is a lie.
gavin mcinnes
Dude, we saw the footage of infinite people coming in from Sri Lanka.
tim pool
I would like to just point out.
unidentified
Against the Vietnamese people.
alex stein
All right, Kim, come on down for a second.
Come on down for statements.
Come on, all right.
Kim, this way, other way.
All right, Kim.
tim pool
I would just like to point out to address Pisco's.
alex stein
Pisco love racist grandmas.
We love racist grandmas.
tim pool
6'7-Kevin and Tim Kesmina just released a documentary on all of this called Sin Francera.
unidentified
Hour and 46 minutes long, documenting all of the trafficking and all of the shit at the board.
alex stein
Chill, dude.
Not you.
I was talking to the audience member.
You're going to get your chance to speak.
All right, we have Kim up here.
Now, I actually brought Kim up here for a personal reason.
Kim and I both agree that we did not land on the moon.
And I know Tim over here, these lib chards, they think we were able to go in a spaceship in 1969 through 1972.
unidentified
I watched it happen in school, but on one take of gas.
tim pool
Kevin, did we land on the moon?
gavin mcinnes
We landed on the moon.
unidentified
There we go.
You know what?
The films that they showed are fake.
gavin mcinnes
Yes, correct.
They needed B-roll to discuss it on the news.
unidentified
That's what Alex convinced me.
alex stein
Yeah, they actually got Colin's.
gavin mcinnes
Don't claim that was the actual footage.
When you're talking about something, you need like Getty images behind you.
So they filmed fake shit when they discussed it.
But we didn't go to the moon.
unidentified
They were in the garden when it happened.
They pulled the TV set into the into the camera.
tim pool
It says CBS simulation on video.
unidentified
Yeah.
But it was obviously at five.
But throughout the day, some people thought that was the landing, but half an hour of traveling with Alex in the back seat of my car.
And this is sounding like nepotism that you got to say.
gavin mcinnes
Is this whole thing rigged?
alex stein
I just saw Kim, and I know Kim because I did teach her about the moon, but we had to have a three-minute talk because listen, we're not going to just sit here and talk about Trump the whole time.
We have to talk about something that's happening.
gavin mcinnes
Oh, here we go.
alex stein
And so the moon landing was obviously fake.
Everybody needs to know that.
tim pool
I'm going to stop this right now.
I'm putting my boot down.
gavin mcinnes
We work for Big Moon.
tim pool
When I offered money to send Alex Stein to Antarctica, he refused.
unidentified
He refused.
gavin mcinnes
I did.
alex stein
I'm sorry, Alex.
unidentified
That is true.
alex stein
I didn't want them to kill me in Antarctica, and I didn't want to have to land on the ice, but that's neither you're not afraid of the battle.
unidentified
Are you afraid of the aliens?
alex stein
You guys are trying to distract like Pisco.
We're not doing the distraction thing.
We did not go to the moon on one take of gas, 250,000 miles, and then all the way back.
And on top of that, it was started by Warner von Braun, who was a Nazi that we brought over during Operation Paperclip.
And on top of that, Hiller did not die after World War II.
He actually went to Argentina and had a bunch of babies.
But that's neither here nor there.
unidentified
I agree that we did not have film of the first landing on the moon.
gavin mcinnes
Everyone agrees that.
unidentified
That's what I agree.
alex stein
All right, give it up for her.
gavin mcinnes
We love you.
unidentified
But I'd like to point something out, all right?
This gentleman down here is trying to destroy my sons and my grandchildren's life, their future, and everything that they stand for.
gavin mcinnes
He's calling you a socialist.
unidentified
Because you only take sides against the people that you dislike.
You don't admit to the truth about the fact that Biden never one time signed a damn thing.
He was incapable.
gavin mcinnes
Oh, good point.
unidentified
Yeah.
So first of all, he's not a president.
@piscoshour
It's really funny, and the people who follow me will know this.
I get roasted all the time for criticizing Biden too much.
I called his pardons of his son and his family impeachable.
unidentified
So do you say that the Biden family is a criminal family and that they should all be in prison?
@piscoshour
No, I don't agree with that because there's...
alex stein
Thank you, Kim.
Guys, give it up for Kim, guys.
Thank you.
gavin mcinnes
Hey, can I say something about boomers?
You know, we always shit on boomers and we make fun of them.
At least they bred.
At least they fucking got married and have babies.
That's what we need more of.
More American families.
Yeah, it is.
It literally is.
alex stein
Hey, who's a guy that won't shut up?
Who is the guy that won't shut up?
Come here, you come up.
I know.
Go, come on the mic.
Yeah, get on the mic.
You get your one minute.
You won't shut the hell off.
Let's go.
gavin mcinnes
Heckled your way into the show.
alex stein
Yeah.
matan even
Why did you give him an advantage?
alex stein
No, I just let him.
Hey, hurry, because I know he's a dumbass.
I know he has nothing to say.
gavin mcinnes
I can tell this guy fucks different random chicks every week.
That's a gay lifestyle.
You have a gay lifestyle, sir.
matan even
You're the one who shoves.
alex stein
Okay, come on.
Come to the mic.
gavin mcinnes
That's pretty good.
unidentified
What is it?
alex stein
What's good?
Hey, what's taking so long?
unidentified
Here you go.
alex stein
Let's go.
gavin mcinnes
He's got to go get this.
Yeah, he needs his drink.
He's got to go get his toupee.
matan even
That's true, though.
Govind did shove something up.
gavin mcinnes
He did, yes.
I was trying to show that I could dance better with something up my ass than Hillary can with nothing up her ass.
I'm talking about your good friend going to prison yesterday.
Are you upset that you're conservative?
Wait, you have to read this question?
unidentified
Yes, I'm getting up here.
gavin mcinnes
That makes you look weak.
Just say your question.
How do you feel about your good friend going to prison yesterday?
unidentified
And you're upset that your conservative alpha supreme leader isn't commuting a sentence?
gavin mcinnes
No, no, I'm very responding to that.
unidentified
Also, is that a lot of people?
matan even
I hope he can't wait on it.
No, I'm not going to stay doctor.
gavin mcinnes
dude.
Reading from the phone is such a beta move.
alex stein
I know.
You can't remember that question.
gavin mcinnes
Yeah, it's not like you're not reading Shakespeare.
alex stein
Brendan's in the digital.
tim pool
I mean, I couldn't hear what you said, sorry.
I mean, seriously.
gavin mcinnes
Reread it.
tim pool
No, no, the second one, sorry.
The second puppy.
gavin mcinnes
Scroll, scroll.
Yes, that is my position.
@piscoshour
Look at the loser.
alex stein
And he literally answered that already.
unidentified
My follow-up question is: without those bottleneck glasses, are you legally a blind man?
Kate, that's not the correct adjective.
gavin mcinnes
You mean Coke bottle glasses?
Bottleneck implies a traffic problem.
You mean Coke bottle glasses, and these are an incredibly weak prescription.
You're bald.
Are we getting into like what happens to people as they get older?
I don't get the insult.
I have gray hairs, too.
What is this?
alex stein
Yeah, you talked, dude.
Yeah, you're terrible, man.
You just got your guy.
gavin mcinnes
You know what you should do?
You should go marry your last girlfriend and get a bunch of people.
matan even
You got owned by somebody who's something up his ass.
gavin mcinnes
You did that.
We got that.
tim pool
I disagree with the panel on the guys in the questions.
I think we actually appreciate the contest.
alex stein
Yeah, we do.
unidentified
We do.
alex stein
But that wasn't that great.
I mean, he didn't really have any questions.
tim pool
I mean, like, everybody here is on page.
He's 21.
alex stein
I just remember the question to Matan about.
All right, now we're going to bring up somebody else.
Now, come on down.
Armin Gupta.
That sounds ethnic.
This could be good.
gavin mcinnes
I don't know the context of Indian names, so that might be a cool name over there.
I wouldn't know.
alex stein
Armandian.
Could be Arminian.
Who knows?
Is Armand here?
tim pool
He's coming.
unidentified
He's coming.
alex stein
All right, Armand.
Checking for bombs.
matan even
Check him for BMW.
unidentified
It's Pisco, right?
@piscoshour
Pisco, that's right.
unidentified
Well, I appreciate you coming out.
I know it could be kind of hard, you know, around this.
@piscoshour
No, I appreciate it.
unidentified
How do you define winning?
@piscoshour
I think winning is achieving an aim.
unidentified
A what?
@piscoshour
Achieving an aim.
unidentified
So, based on the platform that he ran on, do you think he's achieved anything?
@piscoshour
I think it's a mixed bag if you go by the platform that he set out.
But I take my winning, my version of winning, to be different than what you guys would consider winning.
I think on both sides, at least for you guys, it's a mixed bag, definitely.
And for me, it's a different.
unidentified
So, given that he's from our party, I would assume, from our side, we think he's winning.
Does that qualify?
Obviously, you think he wouldn't be winning because you're on the other side.
@piscoshour
Yeah, no, so I'm here to convince you on your own terms.
Sure.
unidentified
But you're subjecting him to your terms, too.
Both.
@piscoshour
I'm doing both.
unidentified
So, could we agree that the terms should probably be the campaign platform that he ran on?
@piscoshour
I don't know about that.
unidentified
Why not?
@piscoshour
So, if what you mean by is Trump winning, semantically, you mean is he achieving what he wants to achieve, then analytically, by definition, he's doing what he's doing.
Perfect.
That's not.
unidentified
Give it up, guys.
Give it up.
@piscoshour
Hang on.
Because it's a little debate, Broy, but that's trivially true.
If what you're saying is by definition, he's winning because he's doing what he wants and what he wants to do is what he does, then, okay, if that's what your standard for winning is, then I guess analytically, you win the debate, but that's not what most people are doing.
unidentified
It sounds like what you need to argue about your definition of winning should be the one that we're following.
@piscoshour
Well, no, I think even under the MAGA supporters, I think what I take to be their collective expectations for Trump.
unidentified
And I think we're, I think the fact that we're here says that he is actually achieving something close to our expectations.
@piscoshour
Because we wouldn't be supporting our president.
unidentified
How is that not large?
@piscoshour
Physical presence at an event means that he's achieving his aims.
Why does that fall off the street?
unidentified
No, I'm just saying that it gives some credence to it.
Not that it's not.
@piscoshour
I don't know why.
I think the fact that the political issue is come out for political families.
gavin mcinnes
And we're in D.C., by the way, where I think 1% of the population voted for Trump.
@piscoshour
So the fact that people are coming out in D.C. is- Do you really think we're here to discuss whether the person in the White House is doing what they want to do and therefore they're achieving by definition what they're doing?
unidentified
I think he's doing what we want him to do, and that's why we're here.
@piscoshour
You want him to release the Epstein files?
unidentified
Yes.
@piscoshour
Okay, he's spelling on that, correct?
unidentified
No.
@piscoshour
Wait, why not?
unidentified
Okay, so.
@piscoshour
Oh, it takes time.
It takes time.
Why does it take that much less than one?
Oh, everybody.
unidentified
Timpoo brought something up some episode ago where he said that because he has the sort of positions that we have, we're willing to tolerate some of the things that he's not doing well.
Would you say that that's fair?
That if we're somebody out there that's actually fighting for this nation, that we'd be willing to tolerate with them.
@piscoshour
Yeah, so I think that some amount of tolerance is expected.
Okay, perfect.
But the Epstein stuff, unlike what Gavin suggested, is central to your mythology.
unidentified
In 2020, what was your position on the Epstein files?
@piscoshour
The Epstein stuff is central to your mythology.
unidentified
Were you talking about this before, too, or just since Trump got an office?
@piscoshour
I've talked about the Epstein stuff before, but I just want to say perfect.
I'm literally here arguing on your terms, right?
unidentified
I understand that.
But his platform is.
But his platform isn't just the Epstein files, is it?
@piscoshour
I agree.
That's why I brought up other.
So, for example, prices.
He's not succeeding on prices.
unidentified
I think the term was net positive, right?
For the most part, just doing the things that we want.
Within six months, we've got win after win.
@piscoshour
I think what's the single best thing?
unidentified
The single best thing.
Let's see.
Giving more money to CBP, to ICE, getting these people out of here that shouldn't be here.
Actually changing the conversation in this nation, giving people like us the opportunity to say, hey, we're done.
We're not putting up with this crap that you fucking putting over here.
@piscoshour
So then you must take it.
unidentified
Tell me how that's not winning.
@piscoshour
Yeah, so are we all deluded?
If all you wanted was funding like Border Patrol.
unidentified
I want funding so we can go get these people out of here.
@piscoshour
That's all I want.
So if that's all you want, you would have to.
unidentified
That's not all I want.
I want the job done.
@piscoshour
So you would have supported the bipartisan infrastructure bill.
alex stein
What you're talking about.
@piscoshour
No, our money is going to be a lot of fun.
gavin mcinnes
No, that was a bullshit scam.
No, we didn't fall for that.
@piscoshour
No, guys, don't fucking soy out.
But also, like, he's already put in huge holes in his deportation policy, right?
unidentified
And tell me what those holes are.
alex stein
All right, guys, give it up for Armand.
Thank you, Armand.
gavin mcinnes
Good work, Armand.
tim pool
I just want to point out, we're not asking, has Trump won.
We're asking, is he winning?
matan even
That guy was not Armenian.
He might have been Indian.
gavin mcinnes
I think Trump's probably Indian.
All right.
alex stein
Rich Felice.
Come on down.
Rich Felice.
tim pool
Why did you choose that sound for your phone?
alex stein
I don't know.
It's a guitar thing.
gavin mcinnes
Isn't that like bad to the bone or something?
alex stein
I am.
gavin mcinnes
Are you saying you're bad to the bone?
alex stein
I am bad to the bone.
I'm a bad guy.
gavin mcinnes
I think you're a very interesting, successful guy.
I don't really see you as bad.
alex stein
Okay, well.
gavin mcinnes
Like, you don't even drink.
alex stein
I mean, I do.
I hair.
He's a vegetarian.
gavin mcinnes
Like, if that's George Thoroughgood, he's the one bourbon, one scotch, one beer guy.
I don't.
Bad to the bone.
alex stein
Just do a little fentanyl to just, you know.
gavin mcinnes
That's not bad.
alex stein
All right, Rich.
gavin mcinnes
Sad.
alex stein
What do you got for us, Rich?
unidentified
Prime time.
Your coffee was incredible.
alex stein
Thank you.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
unidentified
Over Epstein, I just want to point out that it was the Republicans that were first on board of attacking Trump.
They were the ones that were actually going after and saying, this is ridiculous.
What is happening?
We don't know what's happening in the background, but it was Democrats that jumped on afterwards.
@piscoshour
Yeah, so I'll address that.
So you're basically saying, how are we hypocrites?
Because we're calling him out for it.
That's not the argument.
I mean, I can think of ways in which you have to hypocritical.
unidentified
That's a political push on your part.
That is hypocritical.
@piscoshour
Whether it's a political push or not, the question is, do you think he's being successful on the Epstein files?
unidentified
I do think he's being.
We don't know what's happening.
@piscoshour
Is the answer you don't know?
Or do you know?
unidentified
We don't know.
@piscoshour
Are you happy or unhappy?
gavin mcinnes
I genuinely don't know.
unidentified
I am frustrated.
gavin mcinnes
I actually gave that to you as a courtesy.
unidentified
That's why, again, we were the first ones that were vocal against it.
@piscoshour
So I'm just giving you an example of how Trump is not winning.
So a separate argument is: are Democrats hypocrites?
Are you guys hypocrites?
But the question is, is he winning on the Epstein files?
And you're saying you're very unhappy.
unidentified
We will find out.
We have 100 people that are apparently going to be named.
@piscoshour
You're co-founding.
They already came to their conclusion.
Wait, they already came to their conclusion.
There was a memo released on July 6th or 7th that said, "Nothing more to see here, folks." The Epstein thing is far from over.
gavin mcinnes
The left smelled that there might be a loss there, and they're jerking off all over it.
It's like the files are drenched and come, and we haven't even opened the binder yet.
@piscoshour
So this is co, by the way.
So they said they did an exhaustive review.
I'm not using my terms.
I'm using the attorney general's words.
Exhaustive review.
And they said, nothing more to see here, folks.
No evidence of any wrongdoing in the current files the FBI has.
unidentified
And they said they still is where the files were.
We don't know what they did to those files.
gavin mcinnes
You know what?
I'm taking it back.
I'm not giving you that as a victory anymore.
@piscoshour
So Trump is not alleged.
gavin mcinnes
You were an ingrate.
@piscoshour
So Trump is not alleging that they lost Epstein.
That's back.
Trump is alleging that they manufactured the Epstein files.
He calls it the Epstein hoax.
And you guys are just ignoring where these hooks.
unidentified
And the Tiny's daughter was stationed.
tim pool
I got to interject, but you keep doing this blanket.
No one here is defending that.
Like, everyone's frustrated with it.
Everyone's upset over it.
His point was that Republicans were first in line to be upset over it.
You were correct.
We want us.
gavin mcinnes
You think it's our Achilles heel.
And we're like sweating when you bring up the files.
tim pool
Let us go.
gavin mcinnes
Can we just say that?
tim pool
Let's just aim our power rings to the sky of calling for the release of the Epstein files and our powers combined.
Maybe we'll get them released.
@piscoshour
Yes.
Hey, I'm in favor of that.
I'm in favor of greater transparency.
gavin mcinnes
And Democrats are going to lose bad when they get released, by the way.
tim pool
Schumer was like, hey, what are they doing?
Don't talk to Max Morrison.
gavin mcinnes
Linton's going to have like dicks in his mouth.
Isn't what he's already done.
unidentified
So it's Tim's point last week.
There was a lot of black pilling on your show last week that there are a ton of amazing executive orders, but the legislation has not actually made it fulfilled.
@piscoshour
What legislation is that?
unidentified
So as far as partially winning, but until the Congress actually acts, we're not going to actually see solid wins long term.
@piscoshour
Do you support the bill they did pass, which increased the debt ceiling and CBO?
unidentified
I factor in the tax cuts that were.
@piscoshour
No, no, these are incredibly rosy assessments.
They're giving rosy assessments.
@dollface actual
I got it.
@piscoshour
And it's increased the deficit massively.
unidentified
The deficit in June, they just found that there was...
@piscoshour
I got, guys, don't fall from these parents.
unidentified
I can't remember where they're going to be rich.
@piscoshour
That's the month where they collect.
We've done that in certain months during the Biden.
I want to discuss it as well.
tim pool
I want to just, I can't remember who was on the show saying this, but they were like, the deficit voter is fake and doesn't exist.
Literally, no one gives a fuck about the deficit.
They just pretend to when it's politically advantageous.
@piscoshour
Like the budget.
tim pool
And then everybody.
Indeed.
Indeed.
Because every party just says, remove the debt ceiling, crank up the budget, give me the money.
And then the other side pretends like they're upset until they do the exact same thing.
@piscoshour
You're saying no one really cares about the deficit.
Thomas Massey does.
gavin mcinnes
Well, no one understands it.
I don't understand.
tim pool
Thomas Massey and BroCon.
For that reason.
@piscoshour
Okay.
tim pool
But the point is, it's like the Democrats don't give a shit when the deficit goes up when they get their agenda through.
And the Republicans don't give a shit when the deficit goes up when they get their agenda through because everyone's trying to win their agenda.
@piscoshour
Well, I don't know.
I think the Democrats.
tim pool
They're like, I will spend whatever I have to with your money to do what I want to do.
@piscoshour
Manchin really pressured Biden to make sure that he was fully costing his measures, like the Inflation Reduction Act.
Similar things with Obama.
They weren't as crazy.
tim pool
Oh, come on.
Just admit it, dude.
@piscoshour
What do you mean?
tim pool
Both parties crank the deficit to the moon.
@piscoshour
Republicans more.
alex stein
Oh, come on.
@piscoshour
Republicans more.
gavin mcinnes
All right.
alex stein
All right, guys.
Let's call a new name.
Let's go.
How about what is this?
Shabar Raza.
Come on down.
Shabar Raza.
gavin mcinnes
That's a cool name.
alex stein
Shabar.
gavin mcinnes
Shabar Raza.
alex stein
Is that a.
gavin mcinnes
Although it's weird to have your first name end with the same letter that the new name begins with?
alex stein
I know, double R. Yeah, I don't like that.
It makes me want to roll the R's.
Come on, Shabar.
Come on.
gavin mcinnes
It's like Mike Connie.
Calm down.
alex stein
Oh, look at this guy.
He's got the long hair.
Damn.
unidentified
All right, boss, you got one minute.
Cool.
Question for Matan.
Do you think Santos purposely went to jail so he could get India?
matan even
I wouldn't be surprised.
I keep seeing him on Twitter saying that they're going to kill him or him in jail.
I think that he's going to probably have consensual sex in jail and he just wants an excuse for it.
I don't know.
I think he's...
I don't think he's going to get...
So not like physical rules.
He's going to be mentally r people.
unidentified
When you went on his podcast and you called his co-host Jamal that was one of the funniest moments of 2025.
gavin mcinnes
I didn't know that guy's name, so I was speaking of sorry to interrupt, but speaking of hypocrisy, uh, his sentence was fucking insane.
And we know that the left protects all their people and it forgives their corruption.
What do you spent some campaign money on bow ties?
These guys just forgive him.
87 months is fucking nuts.
I want corruption on our side, too.
matan even
I don't, I think, I disagree on corruption for both sides unless it's Republican, which is agreeing with you.
But I don't know.
I don't like him.
I mean, I don't think that guy's actually.
gavin mcinnes
No one likes him.
matan even
Yeah, why would you let him?
gavin mcinnes
But I want him forgiven because he's technically on our side.
matan even
I don't think that's true at all.
I think he's I think that he's the type of guy who would want to be on like RuPaul's drag race, but he realized he didn't have to look for it.
So he started trying to become a Republican, which is a very odd route to fame.
But I mean, I guess it worked for him.
gavin mcinnes
Yeah, we need more unity on our side.
alex stein
Yeah, but when he voted, he did have one of the most conservative voting records in Congress.
matan even
Yeah, because he knew that he had to do that.
I mean, I don't know why that was his choice, but he went with that and he stuck with it.
alex stein
I think that's admirable.
All right.
We're going to call.
unidentified
I want one last question.
alex stein
What do you got, Shabar?
unidentified
I was going to say, Tim, so what happens, let's say, if Trump does get found in the list, like legally, right?
Because he had all that shit in New York.
But as the president, as whatever, what's the Constitution limits?
So nothing happens.
So then there is no real point to even investigating it, right?
gavin mcinnes
What is the list?
Like, what does it say?
It says Donald Trump, 11-year-old girl on Thursday, June 29th.
Here's some photos.
Like, what?
I don't understand what this list is.
tim pool
The list is a figurative statement of people who are associated with Epstein who are engaged in child sex trafficking, or they were bringing these teenage girls under the excuse of modeling or coming to islands and then forcing them to.
@piscoshour
These guys are like, what's the point?
gavin mcinnes
What does that say on the list?
@piscoshour
He's curious about it.
That's what you guys are saying.
tim pool
This is just a figurative thing.
@piscoshour
This isn't just like all fucking bullshit.
Don't we want to know about it?
Like, don't you care about it?
Yeah.
unidentified
This is not a win for you.
I don't know.
@piscoshour
I feel like you guys are pissed about it.
I feel like.
matan even
I know this is off-tallpik, but when we were in the waiting room, I asked this guy, and he said that he was attracted to some men with penises because he didn't consider them men.
tim pool
It is true.
He did say that.
matan even
He did say that.
tim pool
I was screaming.
I was screaming.
@piscoshour
This is the best they have.
This is the best they have.
matan even
Did you not say this?
gavin mcinnes
No, it's not the best.
I got way better.
@piscoshour
This is the best they have.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, I did record that.
matan even
I believe Tim has that on a video.
@piscoshour
So the best they have.
The best they have is to change the dialogue, is to try to distract from the Epstein files.
And you're seeing it in real time right now.
matan even
I don't care about Epstein files.
@piscoshour
I know you don't.
I know you don't.
I know you don't care about it.
I know you don't care about it.
I know you don't care.
tim pool
We've got to address this for the culture war, okay?
My point was this.
Matan brings up an interesting point.
This gender ideology debate.
I said, I don't care if you're gay.
I don't care if you're a guy who likes guys.
And my point was, there are these leftist guys who say that they could be attracted to an individual.
matan even
I think he said he was attracted to Hulk Hogan.
unidentified
Maybe, maybe.
tim pool
But here's the point.
Here's the point.
alex stein
Hulk Hogan is a vagina.
tim pool
If there is, like, so I'm a guy and I don't like guys.
But let me get very specific.
There is zero circumstance because Pisco was asking if you had to choose between, you know, Hulk Hogan with lady parts.
@piscoshour
Oh, I just gave you a bad idea.
alex stein
I think he said Blair White.
tim pool
What I said was I don't understand why the left makes the argument from their perspective that as men, they're attracted to both people with dicks and people with pussies.
I'm like, that's called bisexual.
And I don't understand why they're so ashamed in Canada.
@piscoshour
So you define man as having a penis, correct?
tim pool
Do you see where he's going?
I'm like, bro, if you like dick, just say it.
unidentified
I don't care.
tim pool
You're allowed to like dick.
@piscoshour
So this is why you guys need some gender theory.
This is DC.
tim pool
We're not mad at me.
We're not mad at you.
@piscoshour
You guys need some gender theory.
It sounds like you are very confused.
If you define man, if you define man as having a penis, it sounds like all the time you guys like, define man, define women.
You guys can't define these terms.
tim pool
That was wrong.
You really can't scream.
@piscoshour
You really can't.
unidentified
Dude, we saw in the Olympics a dude beat the shit out of another.
matan even
He tries shoving it back up.
unidentified
Yeah, and the Olympics.
That dude that beat the shit out of that chart.
That was Shabbar.
alex stein
Thank you, Shabar.
All right, Luna.
tim pool
All right, all right.
alex stein
Give it up for Shabar, everybody.
All right.
unidentified
All right.
alex stein
Our next person, I don't even know how to read that.
Jack Travis.
Is there Jack Travis?
tim pool
That's what that says.
alex stein
Let's go, Jack.
Come on down.
Jack Travis.
Is that the right name?
Right here.
Come on.
Let's go.
Give it up for Jack.
And we want to try to get through the rest of the name.
devesh patel
So let's get going.
unidentified
One minute, bud.
Hi.
So my name is Jack Travis.
I'm from Cincinnati, Ohio.
And one of the things I've come to care quite a lot about is labor rights.
At the gas station I'm working at, they do ice cream, they do roller food, and they do all the normal snacks and stuff.
And they're constantly understaffing the stores, which is leading to worker stress, worker turnover, and they're refusing to pay people what they're worth.
And I was thinking that there should be some laws potentially in place that for however many grills you have in, like, let's say Wendy's, you have to employ this amount of people because the effect it has mentally on workers, I think it's unacceptable.
tim pool
No, you have no right to someone else's money.
unidentified
Listen, listen.
gavin mcinnes
You know how much I made at Sonny's gas station in 1984?
$3.50 an hour.
unidentified
Yeah.
gavin mcinnes
You're a pussy, dude.
Run around.
You're at the fitness peak of your life.
You should be running around.
alex stein
Come up here for $30.
Come on, man.
unidentified
Give it up, everybody.
@piscoshour
These people are in favor of the people.
gavin mcinnes
Blenders should have more people on the crew.
@piscoshour
They're in favor of the big elites.
So they're fine with Trump putting, because they're all about mass deportation.
But when Trump says, oh, but not the hotels.
Oh, but not the agriculture.
They don't give a shit.
tim pool
That's not what we're talking about.
Let me address it.
Let me address that.
@piscoshour
And they don't give a double-clicking.
Let me address it.
tim pool
Let me address this.
I'm in favor of labor rights, but these rights are things like your boss can't fire you based on your race or something.
Or they should be hiring based on race.
gavin mcinnes
That's the status.
tim pool
And we do have those.
But the idea that you would work at a shop and you're like, hey, you don't give me enough money.
It's like, there's the door, buddy.
It's my gas station.
Go find a job somewhere else.
unidentified
I think that at this point, especially with how urban some areas have gotten, that there's too many people and that they're able to one by one exploit people and move on.
You are correct.
tim pool
Get rid of the illegal immigrants to create more competition in the labor market.
unidentified
No, no, I know.
I agree with that.
That has made our labor market, the amount of people they can exploit huge, and they can even do worse wages than they'd have to give to an American.
tim pool
You should quit.
Why don't you quit?
unidentified
Me?
I am.
It's a summer job.
I'm quitting pretty soon.
gavin mcinnes
So the problem is every bastard has to find a new employee.
tim pool
The problem is you are willing to complain, but not willing to take action.
And your boss says, if that's, I can do it, I can do it.
And so if everybody who worked there walked out, he'd be like, please stop.
No, come back.
What do you want?
But you guys aren't willing to take the action necessary.
This is what has always bothered me my whole life of someone coming out and being like, I want something you've got.
I won't do anything to get it, but I will ask the government to point a gun at you and take it from you.
unidentified
No, I think.
Well, I mean, you brought up the illegal immigration.
I think there's, I think there's, yeah.
tim pool
Unions won't help you.
@piscoshour
Wait, I don't understand.
tim pool
Have you ever been in a union?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Have you ever been in a union?
unidentified
Not yet.
tim pool
See, I've been in several unions, and all they did was fuck me up the ass.
And so I said, fuck you, motherfucker.
unidentified
No, I hate that shit.
tim pool
I do.
I love collective bargaining, so I hate corporate unions.
@piscoshour
You're saying there's a shortage of labor, correct?
unidentified
No, I'm saying there's a surplus of labor workers.
@piscoshour
There's a we're in a record unemployment in this country.
unidentified
Well, I mean, I can at least.
tim pool
What's participation at?
@piscoshour
I can't.
tim pool
What's participation?
@piscoshour
Yeah, it's always like 10 to like 13%.
tim pool
With participation, we're at 7.5.
@piscoshour
But the thing is, all these numbers track.
And so in terms of the metrics that we always look at, we are at record unemployment.
There's not a labor surplus in this country, sir.
It's a shortage.
unidentified
I mean, just one thing I do want to mention with the workforce participation, I think there's a lot of people who work really hard and put a lot of applications to get jobs.
And a lot of jobs are ignoring those people.
@piscoshour
I feel like there's a labor shortage in this country.
Trump often claims, wow, we have record unemployment.
He's actually right about that.
There's a labor shortage in this country.
tim pool
I actually want to agree with this, but it's largely due to participation being down.
alex stein
All right, guys.
unidentified
One last thing.
gavin mcinnes
But, Jack, Jack, you're a little kid.
You just started the workforce.
You're not allowed to complain.
It's like asking for on a first date.
Hey, one last thing.
unidentified
Hey, whoa.
gavin mcinnes
Put your nose to the grindstone.
tim pool
Gavin, Gavin, based on the dance women, I don't know, man.
unidentified
Hey, one last thing.
gavin mcinnes
I'm going to get back in with you in like five years.
unidentified
One last saying.
Pisco, was the dog the top or the bottom?
Finished strong.
tim pool
I did not expect that burn from Jack.
gavin mcinnes
Yeah, that was a heavy burn.
It's pretty intense.
alex stein
All right.
Now, our next.
gavin mcinnes
It's the problem that all you guys think you're above getting beer and you just like delegate it to the lower classes?
alex stein
I don't know.
gavin mcinnes
You're not special.
The talent needs a fucking beer.
alex stein
Gavin needs a beer.
gavin mcinnes
You're like, go get Gavin a beer.
No, you go get Gavin a beer.
No, go get it.
And he keeps going down the line because Gavin.
alex stein
All right.
gavin mcinnes
Fucking prohibition up here.
alex stein
Our next person.
Doll face actual.
Who is dollface actual?
Is doll face actual here?
unidentified
Give it up.
alex stein
Everybody give it up for dollface actual.
gavin mcinnes
He looks hot.
alex stein
It's hot.
Come on down, doll face.
You got can confirm.
@dollface actual
Hello, good afternoon, gentlemen.
And I want to shout out the couple chicks that are here with.
alex stein
Shut up!
@dollface actual
Hey, man!
alex stein
Guys, get the ball out of the bag.
gavin mcinnes
Shut the fuck up.
alex stein
Just kick the bald asshole out of here.
gavin mcinnes
You're not at your house.
alex stein
You're at an event trying to get in.
We're trying to include people, and you're just being an asshole, making it about you.
gavin mcinnes
Yeah, you suck so much.
tim pool
That's a shit.
alex stein
I know, but it's just frustrating.
Yeah, no, literally.
gavin mcinnes
You're like a chick in a bachelorette.
Shut your fucking mouth.
alex stein
Seriously.
All right.
Now, doll face, you got one minute.
@dollface actual
Thank you so much.
Okay, so I actually had the pleasure of meeting Tim last year at Rescue the Republic.
It was my first event as press, actually.
Huh?
gavin mcinnes
You sound like the apparently kid?
@dollface actual
You look like the apparently kid.
Anyway, I actually have a series under a series of questions under Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilizations and Francis Fukuyama's end of history theories that I ask.
Military veterans for the most part.
I'm a Marine Corps veteran and I got Dolphius as a name on an engagement where the women and children did my makeup in Afghanistan.
So it's, you know, not what people generally think.
But I'd like to ask Tim, if not the rest of the panel, my first among a series of true-false questions that, excuse me, that I generally ask military veterans who have been to war.
gavin mcinnes
Okay.
alex stein
Okay, ask your question.
It's ready.
gavin mcinnes
Well, we're waiting.
alex stein
Okay, ask a question.
@dollface actual
So the question is, and it's interesting with this whole culture wars phenomenon.
Oh, God.
Do you have PTSD?
gavin mcinnes
I don't know.
@dollface actual
I'm hungry.
He's not included anymore.
I'm going to ask Tim and everybody else.
He's not clear anymore.
War is fought between cultures, not countries, true or false.
tim pool
False?
@dollface actual
Can you explain why you would think so?
Especially at an event that is like the culture war.
tim pool
The Donbass region is largely ethnic Russian, but they're in Ukraine and Ukraine's occupying territory.
Russia came in.
It's two nations fighting over an area they deem to be ethnically theirs or legally theirs.
Germany invaded Poland and the Sudayton land, claiming that it was actually German.
So I understand your point about culture, but it was the nations that amassed the force to go and fight for what they perceive to be their Territory.
@dollface actual
So are you saying false?
Is it false?
Are you saying false?
@piscoshour
Yeah, it's false.
I mean, like, if you look at World War I, for example, probably like the German then existing system was closer to some of the other Western allies than it was to Russian, as far as Russia.
@dollface actual
May I ask another true, false question?
alex stein
Yeah, hurry.
@dollface actual
If everywhere in the world was a democracy, there would be no word true or false.
False.
Do you think everywhere in the world will eventually arrive at a democracy here?
unidentified
No.
@dollface actual
No, false.
This is an awesome sample size.
Thank you so much, guys.
alex stein
All right.
Thank you.
All right.
Now, the next one.
Devesh Patel.
Devesh Patel.
matan even
No.
No.
If you're allowed to kick that guy out for being bald.
alex stein
Divesh, it's Matan's thing, okay?
matan even
No.
alex stein
Devesh, that's a no.
All right.
Do you really not want it?
unidentified
No, I'm allowed because now I feel bad.
alex stein
Okay, well, careful.
tim pool
Because if you don't let him ask a question, I'm going to have to come on you as hard as you are on Pisco, man.
matan even
That's fine.
Just don't have him sit next to me.
alex stein
Okay, we won't.
Don't worry.
All right, Devesh, what do you got for us?
devesh patel
All right.
Trump's not winning because of Epstein and some of the things you said he promised he's not delivering on.
Are you kidding me?
In 2007, Obama campaigned on being against gay marriage.
And then in his second term, he went back on that.
gavin mcinnes
Any candidate on strong borders, too.
alex stein
He's married.
devesh patel
And universal health care.
And his deportations and universal health care.
Do you have an answer to that?
You're being super hypocritical in all your statements.
And you're taking 90% of the mic real estate.
That's not a good debate strategy.
@piscoshour
Yeah, so is your question, does the Epstein debacle look better by comparison because Obama, what, did an about face on gay marriage?
Is that your point?
devesh patel
No, my point is I think most of the audience is smart enough to understand how campaigning and presidential campaigns work.
@piscoshour
So he lied about Epstein.
devesh patel
Did Obama lie about being against gay marriage?
Okay.
Well, gay marriage impacts a broader audience in the United States than Epstein did.
@piscoshour
So to be clear, that's where we're going in terms of whether a presidency is a success is if the promise of another president.
devesh patel
If you look at Trump's voter base in the heartland, the people that got him elected in the swing states, they do not give a fuck about Epstein.
They give a fuck about the things that they're doing.
@piscoshour
This is the gaslight now.
The gaslight is we never cared about Epstein.
It wasn't important at all.
Is that real?
tim pool
It turns Epstein.
devesh patel
You and your liberal crowd, it's your last hope.
It's all you got.
@piscoshour
Wait a second.
So you won't even concede that we got you there, right?
unidentified
Literally, everybody is like, yeah, we're mad about it.
gavin mcinnes
You might get us there is what we're conceding.
@piscoshour
So do you concede that I have a point with Epstein?
I have a point.
gavin mcinnes
Probably.
devesh patel
Look, I personally don't believe you have a point.
Oh.
@piscoshour
So you agree with what Trump's doing with Epstein?
devesh patel
Neither do you.
@piscoshour
Wait, wait, but you guys alleged that this was a pedophile ring to cover up Democratic sex crimes.
And you didn't have the evidence then, did you?
tim pool
Nobody said Democrat.
@piscoshour
No, you did.
Don't fuck.
tim pool
Come on.
No, Democrat.
devesh patel
Do you disagree with the premise of your argument?
unidentified
Wait, so you don't think that claims were made, for example, by Dan Bongino, Deputy Director of the FBI, that like there were actually Biden was president for four years after Epstein was arrested.
@piscoshour
I don't know how that's responsive.
How is that responsive to whether Trump is not?
devesh patel
Why didn't you release the files?
@piscoshour
And how do you get to the bottom of the design about it?
So how is that responsive to whether Trump is fucking up?
I'm going on your terms.
devesh patel
Okay, if we're going to go on my terms, let's go on.
unidentified
Well, can you answer that?
@piscoshour
Can you answer it?
I'm happy to do that.
Can you answer that first?
Do you agree that Trump's fucking up on the Epstein files, yes or no?
devesh patel
I disagree.
I don't think he's fucking up.
gavin mcinnes
We gave you that.
We said probably not.
@piscoshour
He's not.
All right, move on.
devesh patel
All right.
So let's talk about the wins.
We just had the first budget surplus in June.
@piscoshour
Dude, you're so stupid.
You read Twitter files.
You're like, oh, my God.
unidentified
No, it's literally.
@piscoshour
Yeah, so that happens to me.
Look it up.
devesh patel
There's a budget surplus.
The surplus tariffs were bringing in as much money as they are.
@piscoshour
The surplus.
devesh patel
They are bringing in money.
tim pool
Then there's more deals being made.
@piscoshour
I'm going to explain why you're fucking stupid.
So the reason.
alex stein
All right, come on for three minutes.
unidentified
Come on.
tim pool
Hurry, hurry, hurry.
@piscoshour
The reason why it looks away from him.
alex stein
Come on, Devesh.
Come on, Devesh.
tim pool
In June 2025, the U.S. federal government ran a budget surplus of approximately $27 billion.
@piscoshour
You're a sheep, right?
devesh patel
Do you know the last time there was a budget surplus?
I'm asking you.
@piscoshour
Do you want me to learn yet?
devesh patel
Hey, expert.
When was the last time there was a budget surplus?
@piscoshour
So in 2020, 2021, so in 2020, 2020, I'm answering the question.
I'm going to explain to you why you're fucking stupid.
So in 2020, 2021, under Biden administration, there were months in which they clocked to surplus.
You know when they were?
In like June, because you know when they fucking collect taxes dip shit?
devesh patel
No, the budget surplus was due to tariff revenue.
unidentified
So go to the fiscal go to the treasury website.
tim pool
In June of 2024, there was a $71 billion deficit.
@piscoshour
Yeah, I know.
devesh patel
You're full of shit, bro.
@piscoshour
But tech and 20 years ago.
devesh patel
You've been talking to the mic all this entire time.
@piscoshour
2021.
This is not the first time on record happened.
It happened under Biden's presidency.
unidentified
When did it happen?
tim pool
West federal budget surplus occurred in fiscal year 2001.
@piscoshour
No, no, no, no.
Which was the 2000s.
So it happened.
It happened during Patrick's.
devesh patel
You just said it happened during Biden.
You're shitting your pants right now.
When did it happen?
@piscoshour
So it happened during, it happened during Biden's presidency.
It happened during Biden's.
It happened during.
devesh patel
When did it happen?
@piscoshour
So it happened during Biden's presidency.
I don't have the exact month right now.
devesh patel
Yeah, you don't because you're stupid.
Who's the dumbass?
@piscoshour
So the reason, so this is not affecting the overall deficit.
devesh patel
No, it is affecting the overall deficit.
Go to the Treasury website.
unidentified
All right.
@piscoshour
So what's going to happen is you're going to, in this specific month, when they're collecting taxes, they're going to be able to do that.
devesh patel
No, that's not how that works.
@piscoshour
No, it's not.
devesh patel
Go to the Treasury website.
I can cite all my fucking sources.
@piscoshour
Yeah.
So, yes, on the month to month, on this month, they posted a budget surplus.
You want to know why?
Because they are having additional tariff revenues.
That's correct.
devesh patel
And how much are the additional tariff revenues?
@piscoshour
But overall, I don't know, $20 billion, something like that.
devesh patel
$100 billion.
@piscoshour
I said $20 billion, something like that.
But overall, these tariffs are not going to have a growth effect on the economy.
They're not.
devesh patel
Why not?
@piscoshour
Overall, in the long term, it would be stupid to look At one particular month, why not?
Because you look over the entire fiscal year.
Obviously, you don't just look at the month in which all the fucking income revenues are.
devesh patel
They were just implemented.
They were just implemented.
You're going to look at the month right after they're implemented.
@piscoshour
This dipshit wants you to believe that we just spent the most amount of money on any single bill in the history of the country.
And he wants to tell you that the budget situation is fine because on one month, when we're collecting the businesses, when we're collecting all the people when we had that back in Biden's administration, I would not start an argument calling the guy a dipshit.
gavin mcinnes
He's in a fucking retard.
@piscoshour
He read that.
gavin mcinnes
Especially when you lose, it looks really bad.
unidentified
First of all, first of all, so I'm happy to look to that big beautiful bill, which is now the big, beautiful law.
devesh patel
Most of the money went into ICE and border security.
None of you dumbass liberals are none of you.
@piscoshour
Okay, well, how much money in ICE?
tim pool
Let me know.
@piscoshour
Let me just say, we're going to get in this one point you're going to agreement.
How much money?
devesh patel
Let me just bring you this fact.
@piscoshour
How much money?
devesh patel
No, none of you liberals are doing the math.
How much when those liberals are coming in?
I'm sorry, when those illegals are coming in, how much of our public tax dollars are going towards their kids, benefits, free food, free financial aid?
@piscoshour
He's trying to convince them.
devesh patel
How much they're leeching and bleeding from this.
unidentified
How much money?
devesh patel
How much are they?
unidentified
How much money?
@piscoshour
So how much money are they spending on ice?
Do you know?
Or do you not know?
You can just say you don't know.
devesh patel
I don't know.
@piscoshour
Okay.
unidentified
The exact number.
tim pool
Yeah.
@piscoshour
So unless you.
devesh patel
But how much is it?
Tell me.
@piscoshour
So it's like $40 billion on ICE.
Come on with CBP funding.
You know, maybe $100 billion overall in terms of wall funding and all that stuff.
No, no, no.
Just check the numbers.
Check the numbers.
unidentified
And what's your source?
@piscoshour
So the whole point is, you agree, don't you, that the tax cuts are much more than the value of the DHS spending.
unidentified
Yes?
@piscoshour
Yes or no?
So you were wrong when you said that most of that money is going to DHS spending, correct?
devesh patel
Okay.
@piscoshour
Were you wrong about that?
devesh patel
Maybe I was wrong on most of that money going to DHS spending, but that money going to DHA spending and ICE is actually going to help us long term because we're going to save money from the money that's going to be leeched.
It's called reinvesting illegal immigrants and their welfare.
@piscoshour
Then why is Trump?
tim pool
Long term.
@piscoshour
Then why is Trump saying why is Trump proposing that there's going to be a giant hole in their deportation strategy for all these different industries?
devesh patel
Based on the policies that are being implemented, that's not true.
@piscoshour
Wait, so he's not saying and meeting with these farmers, these hotel workers, he's not making these statements like, oh, we got to protect the farmers.
Do you agree?
He's making those statements.
devesh patel
Do you agree?
@piscoshour
Okay, you're not.
devesh patel
That border crossings are at an all-time low, and that saves the money.
You save the country money long term, and it saves us leeching in the tax dollars.
alex stein
Again, give it up, all right.
unidentified
Great work.
Great work.
alex stein
All right, now Matan picked this name.
So you want to announce it, Matan?
matan even
Michael Jackson.
alex stein
No.
tim pool
He's here.
alex stein
It's Michael Rocky.
gavin mcinnes
He died.
matan even
I was close.
alex stein
You were close.
matan even
I got half of it.
alex stein
We got 50% of it correct, yes.
Michael Rockwell.
Is there a Michael Rockwell here?
tim pool
Maybe that was the guy you kicked out.
alex stein
Oh, that might have been.
No, yeah, that might have been the guy that we kicked out.
gavin mcinnes
He already got picked once.
Did he get kicked out?
tim pool
I was joking.
gavin mcinnes
It's a lot quieter in here.
alex stein
Yeah, I know.
We can actually record something.
Okay.
matan even
Michael Jackson.
alex stein
No, it's not Michael Jackson.
It's Joseph Tremaler Trimmer.
matan even
Joseph Jackson.
alex stein
Joseph Jackson.
Joseph.
Come on, Joe.
gavin mcinnes
Joseph Jackson.
Mike Stats.
alex stein
We only got about six left.
So let's try to get through this so we can get everybody.
tim pool
Alex, switch, switch back.
unidentified
Hey, everyone.
So on if Trump is winning, at least from the Texas perspective, I can tell you that it's a huge, huge win.
Texas spent billions securing the southern border, and we just got paid back for that.
And not only that, we're going to spend another just billions and billions on now kicking off mass deportations in Texas with the National Guard getting ready for two large detention facilities.
And we're deputizing National Guard DAG officers so they can process these people out of here.
So that being said, huge win for the border issue from Texas.
@piscoshour
What about the flooding issue in Texas?
You think that was a huge win?
unidentified
I'm talking about the border issue.
gavin mcinnes
That was God.
alex stein
You think that's Trump's fault?
tim pool
Trump doesn't control the weather.
@piscoshour
I think that Trump's attack on emergency response is fucking shameful.
unidentified
And I think, for example, when you have FEMA with- Because I was actually in Kervo and I can tell you about it.
@piscoshour
Okay, so I think that when you have whistleblowers coming out and saying that because of these new policies for Christine Noam, that they were delayed in their calls, that when they, you know, so do you deny that?
Do you deny that?
unidentified
I deny that.
I was there.
I was there on the ground day one defunding the National Weather Service.
@piscoshour
Defunding.
tim pool
When was the last time?
unidentified
Give it up, guys.
tim pool
Give it up, Joseph.
gavin mcinnes
Is this every Republican in D.C.?
tim pool
Pisco, when was the last time you were in Texas?
@piscoshour
In Texas?
A while back?
I don't know.
tim pool
A while back.
Not during the floods.
@piscoshour
No, not in the funds.
tim pool
You've never been?
@piscoshour
I've been to Texas.
You've never been?
I've never been.
No, I've never been.
alex stein
Okay, what do you got for us?
unidentified
Yeah, no, it's the border issue for a Texan is the biggest win that we could possibly have gotten.
And there for a little bit, it looked like Trump wasn't going to do mass deportations with focusing only on dangerous criminals.
But that has changed with the National Guard being involved.
Now we've got National Guard members protecting ICE officers on the streets of Texas.
So big, big win.
@piscoshour
So you're happy that we're not focusing on dangerous criminals.
unidentified
I want them dangerous, illegal criminals.
@piscoshour
Yes, so you just said that we're not focusing on dangerous criminals anymore.
I don't, why is that a win?
unidentified
No.
We want to get them all out.
@piscoshour
So is the answer you don't want to focus on dangerous criminals?
tim pool
Come on, ask a real question.
gavin mcinnes
I don't like this thing, you do.
tim pool
No one's going to be able to do it.
unidentified
Deport them all.
gavin mcinnes
Support them all.
You're saying babies are sexy?
Yes or no?
@piscoshour
Ah.
gavin mcinnes
So you want a baby to wear lingerie?
@piscoshour
The reason why you don't want me when I get clarity is you're uncomfortable.
You're uncomfortable.
matan even
There's a crowd who didn't hear.
He was asked once again if you were a dog and he continues to not answer.
@piscoshour
You're uncomfortable.
You're uncomfortable with the money.
tim pool
No, no, no, Pisa, ask a real question.
@piscoshour
That's a real question.
Yes, it is.
tim pool
No one thinks it is.
No one thinks you're being genuine.
@piscoshour
Yeah, I'm no, I'm being genuine.
So you're on the ground.
tim pool
You don't want a good criminals anymore?
gavin mcinnes
so you like crime.
unidentified
Listen, he brought it up.
@piscoshour
Hang on a second.
gavin mcinnes
So you're a rape enthusiast.
@piscoshour
You're going to accuse me of being bad faith and asking that question when he said, I'm so happy that we're not focusing on violent criminals.
unidentified
I am happy we're deporting them.
@piscoshour
For asking him, wait, you think that's a win?
tim pool
He answered you already.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
He clarified for you, so move on.
@piscoshour
All right, so I think that it's actually good policy for the government to be focusing on violent criminals.
I think that's what a bunch of like.
gavin mcinnes
They're not deporting Consuela.
They're deporting fucking facial tattoos.
@piscoshour
They are deporting Consuela.
unidentified
That's one of them.
And they should.
gavin mcinnes
Holman is starting at the top with the worst, and he's working his way down.
tim pool
And sometimes Consuela is working on a pot farm in California.
unidentified
With kids.
With kids.
tim pool
Those kids aren't there by choice.
@piscoshour
So what you're proposing, right?
This policy is absolutely when you have arbitrary numbers that Stephen Miller is giving them, they're going to get the consuelas of the world.
And what you're saying is they're not going out.
unidentified
Thank God for that.
@piscoshour
Okay, but I think that that's why Trump's approval numbers on immigration are going down.
unidentified
I think most Americans, if you ask them, if you ask them, the reason the numbers are going down is because people thought he wasn't doing mass deportations.
gavin mcinnes
Mexico is constantly deporting illegal aliens from Mexico, right?
You know that Jamaica is constantly deporting illegal aliens from Mexico.
It sure sounds like it.
It sounds like you guys don't understand that everyone has an eye.
@piscoshour
Company was the deporter-in-chief, right?
unidentified
Oh, get ready, baby.
Get ready.
It's about to get real.
@piscoshour
So just to be clear, like, you guys take this position that Democrats are always against deportation when you have Obama deporting.
gavin mcinnes
Yeah, you didn't know that.
When you have Bill Clinton, Democrats are stunned when you tell them how many people Obama did.
alex stein
All right, give it up for this guy.
We got to get there.
Thank you.
Give it up.
All right.
unidentified
Thank you, everybody.
Give it up.
alex stein
All right, Steve Feldman.
Come on down, Steve.
Is Steve Feldman here?
Hurry up, Steve.
We only got a few more to get through.
That was actually pretty quick.
Yeah, that was good.
All right, Steve, what do you got for us?
unidentified
All right.
So I'm a cat guy, like my boy Alex Stein.
I just want to know: is my cat safe?
matan even
But Steve doesn't transfer over.
gavin mcinnes
Seriously, though, I almost want to debate Serge.
unidentified
Serge, why you got Pisco's gain up so high?
This clown, this whiny clown, does what communists always do.
He's filibustering.
He won't shut the fuck up.
And every point he makes is deliberately obtuse.
gavin mcinnes
It's deceptive.
@piscoshour
And it's lying.
It's twisted.
Name one lie.
alex stein
I see a lot.
@piscoshour
For example, you're right.
unidentified
You're acting like Wong Kim Ark wasn't a permanent domiciled resident.
So you're trying to act like that case applied to illegal aliens?
@piscoshour
Wait, wait, when did I represent, will you acknowledge that I did not represent that Wong Kim Ark was an illegal immigrant?
You acknowledge I didn't lie about that, correct?
unidentified
You're acting like that case applies to illegal immigrants.
Just because when it had nothing to do with illegal immigration, just because the case has a you said one point.
gavin mcinnes
There's one point.
There you go.
@piscoshour
So that's there's nothing about my statement on Wong Kim Ark that's a lie at all.
I said that the broader legal principle in that is that people born in the country, except for the historical English commonplace.
He was a permanent resident.
If you don't want to hear it, there's no lying in what I said, and you can't identify one other than one of your own creation.
Wong Kim Ark does stand for the proposition that I cited it for, and that's the fact.
tim pool
I do want to just interject as well.
When you said he won't shut up, to be fair, we asked him to be here.
alex stein
Yeah.
tim pool
We want him to talk.
alex stein
We didn't invite him.
Fair enough.
unidentified
But he's talking over everyone.
@piscoshour
Gavin tried to take his mic away.
tim pool
We all want that.
Give the crowd what they want.
unidentified
Game down.
@piscoshour
Yeah, you want to hear what you want to hear, what you already agree with.
Is that what you want?
You want no like, this is what you want.
gavin mcinnes
And it's fucking hard to get liberal.
But no one wants someone filibuster.
It takes balls to come up here and get away.
alex stein
Guys, give it up for Pisco.
I mean, yes, I don't need more.
Come here.
nick sortor
I have a lot of fun.
unidentified
You know what?
He might have a dog, boom.
matan even
So we're not sure yet.
@piscoshour
And I really appreciate you guys coming to like to actually hear a debate.
I think that debate matters.
And I think that convincing people matters.
One of the things that Democrats really sucked at, I think, during the 2024 election, even Democrats recognize that, it's going to make the argument.
And that's why I really appreciate being invited here.
And you guys trying to hear me out, at least, you know, to the best of your ability.
tim pool
I want to point out, too, if you think he's doing a bad job of it, then let the whole world see that.
nick sortor
Yeah.
tim pool
If he's filibustering, you can answer questions and everyone's going to watch.
unidentified
You can tell Trump is doing a great job because he's making all the right people big mad.
gavin mcinnes
Look how trigged Pisco is.
@piscoshour
Look how angry he is.
nick sortor
Why are you mad, bro?
@piscoshour
Wait, no, I do get triggered because I love this country.
You know, you might not think I'm.
unidentified
Doubt.
@piscoshour
I stand on business for this country.
I respect the Constitution of it, the rule of law.
And you might not agree with my points, but on that sincerity, I promise you, like, I love this country.
I want to protect it.
gavin mcinnes
Okay, I challenge you to go to a dive bar in Wisconsin and enjoy yourself.
alex stein
All right.
unidentified
All right.
alex stein
Thank you.
blake brick suit marnell
Looking good, Mike Mike.
gavin mcinnes
Looking good.
alex stein
Thank you, Steve.
All right.
One next person.
I can't even read this.
What does this say?
unidentified
Will Colbert Colvert?
alex stein
Will, is there a Will Colbert here?
Will Colmert?
Will, come on down.
He's all the way in the back, Jack.
Look at him.
We couldn't be any farther from the damn microphone.
gavin mcinnes
Will Colverton.
unidentified
Really quick, guys, while he's making his way down here.
If you have a mustard bottle on your table that happens to have an autograph on it, you have won yourself a skateboard.
devesh patel
Please proceed to the hallway and pick it up.
unidentified
Shout out to Ray, who works here and autographed the mustard.
devesh patel
Shout out to Ray.
tim pool
Check your mustard if it's signed.
You won.
gavin mcinnes
Great work, Ray.
alex stein
Great work, Ray.
All right, Will, what do you got for us, bro?
unidentified
Okay, is Trump winning?
Yes.
Is Trump fucking cut?
Yes.
Because he's not going far enough.
He should be telling these judicial judges to fuck off.
He shouldn't be arresting these judicial judges.
He should be telling them to go bye-bye because they shouldn't be ruling for everything for the United States.
The Supreme Court has one job to rule for the United States.
And they're not going far enough either.
When they did their last bill, I mean their last ruling, they didn't specify stuff.
They only made it broad.
So my question is to you.
Do you think Trump is winning?
And the answer is yes.
@piscoshour
Oh, I thought you were asking me a question.
So you think the job of the Supreme Court is to just be, I don't know, sign off on everything that Trump does.
unidentified
No, but no, the Supreme Court should decide what the Constitution says and follow that.
@piscoshour
But Trump has been wrong often on what the Constitution says.
Guys, shut up.
unidentified
Sorry.
And not that often.
They have not been that often.
@piscoshour
That's what I mean.
Like, you're saying that Trump should be arresting these judges.
The Supreme Court has been so deferential to Trump on so many issues.
unidentified
Yeah, but the whole thing is, the Supreme Court should have ruled that the judicial that are not like in Michigan or in California do not have the right to tell New York or New Jersey or Florida what the fuck is keeping up on the Supreme Court needs to do this okay so so in the recent case it's called the Costle decision it was very famous the Supreme Court ruled that universal injunctions are not legal under the judicial yeah but the judicial is not listening to that they so do they are Trump should sell on the fucking so
@piscoshour
So you're just wrong about that.
So for an example, on the birthright citizenship issue, they are following with the Supreme Court.
unidentified
Okay, let's talk about Michigan right now.
Let's talk about Michigan.
The Supreme Court said the judicial doesn't have the right to say anything.
Meanwhile, the judicial did rule in Michigan that they can be a sanctuary city.
@piscoshour
They did.
So the Supreme Court decision is called Arizona versus the United States.
It basically says, and this is for Florida as well, that states can't have their own immigration code.
unidentified
Okay.
@piscoshour
So that has to do with the storied precedent of the Supreme Court.
unidentified
Okay.
@piscoshour
That immigration is known as the plenary power of the federal government.
So that's a principled ruling based on hundreds of years of precedent of the plenary power doctrine.
unidentified
Yes.
@piscoshour
So it's not absurd for the court to be saying, hey, Arizona, Florida, you guys can't be, you can't enforce your own immigration code.
unidentified
Yeah, but the problem is the judges aren't listening to them.
The judges are saying, fuck you with Supreme Court, and they're not listening to them.
@piscoshour
So what I was saying.
unidentified
Therefore, Trump should tell the fucking judicial to fuck off unless it comes from the Supreme Court.
@piscoshour
So the district courts are listening to the Supreme Court.
That's why.
unidentified
No, they're not.
They're not listening to the Supreme Court.
They are not.
gavin mcinnes
I got to say, you people in D.C. know your shit.
I come from New York City where we're all retarded.
unidentified
Hey, I'm from New Jersey, so don't feel bad.
There you go.
gavin mcinnes
I was at a bar the other day, and these old guys go, the news was on.
They go, the news.
I don't watch the fucking news.
I watch cartoons.
unidentified
When you're over 50, I'm 60 now.
Do not ride a scooter.
Do not want to ride one of these D.C. scooters because we can't handle them.
Yeah.
alex stein
All right.
All right.
Now, guys, we're almost through.
Everybody give it up for this guy.
tim pool
Let me say one thing on the, I just want to bring this up.
I have a question for Pisco as a liberal.
The district courts formed a class on the issue of birthright citizenship that includes future persons, which was granted.
@piscoshour
Yeah.
tim pool
How do you, does that mean that the unborn and non-conceived have legal standing in courts now?
No.
@piscoshour
The standing issue is.
tim pool
Then what is the class?
@piscoshour
Yeah.
So Article 3 standing is, like, basically, if you have one litigant who has Article 3 standing, that is to say that there's a case or controversy under Article 3 of the Constitution, then basically everyone comes in.
So it's not a jurisdictional issue because there are at least some persons who would be granting standing.
So even though there's a bunch of rules about, like, you know, injury and fact causation, but there's basically carve-outs for, for example, in abortion cases for the longest time, where if there's no, like, means to bring the case before a court because of practicalities, there are exceptions for that.
But we're not even talking about constitutional standing.
We're just now talking about class certification.
And the rules for class certification are different than standing rules.
tim pool
Can judges grant relief to people who don't exist?
@piscoshour
If the kind of relief, so if the kind of relief that they seek to aim is indivisible or otherwise.
tim pool
The right to life?
@piscoshour
Yeah.
So the people who become.
tim pool
Does the right to life count?
@piscoshour
The right, so the right to life counts for sure, but that's.
tim pool
Sounds like you're pro-abortion.
alex stein
Real quick, Nick Sorter.
Hey, Nick Sorter.
I want Nick Sorter to come on down.
Come up here, Nick.
You just come on stage.
Nick.
@piscoshour
So the right to life applies to persons, applies to persons.
tim pool
Future persons can get class certification.
@piscoshour
So they're separate issues, right?
Whether the term persons applies to unborn persons is a different legal issue.
No.
Guys, just listen.
You guys get so triggered you can't actually hear like an actual nonsense.
So on the one hand.
alex stein
Nick, come on down.
@piscoshour
The legal analysis of whether constitutionally the term persons encompasses unborn persons is a separate issue than whether or not you can certify a class that includes future persons.
tim pool
I'm just going to say this.
@piscoshour
It's a separate issue.
tim pool
The court certified a class that includes people who are not yet born.
I don't see any reason why pro-lifers couldn't get the same argument.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait.
@piscoshour
Do you agree that their ruling on the certification issue does not resolve the question of whether constitutionally they're persons?
Yes or no?
tim pool
Agreed.
It means that someone can bring a class and get it certified that includes the unborn.
unidentified
Correct.
alex stein
All right, real quick.
Hey, let me interject.
Nick Shorter, guys, give it up.
One of the biggest independent journalists in the game.
unidentified
What do you want to say to this lip card?
nick sortor
I have spent two hours here listening to this bullshit from over here at the other end of the table here.
So, no, I got to ask, when did you actually start giving a shit about the Epstein files?
You're over here with dogs, and now all of a sudden you care about the Epstein list.
What was the line?
You had 16 years of Democrat presidents to come out and say, oh, yo, we want the Epstein files, and you're doing it now.
What changed, dude?
What changed?
@piscoshour
Yeah, so this is really, like, super not convincing.
You're trying to argue that I'm a hypocrite.
I've always cared about, you know, the Epstein issue.
You are.
I always have.
And, I mean, there's videos of me talking about it.
There's videos of me.
nick sortor
Okay, you can sit here and say, oh, we only got a limited amount of time.
Do you want to answer the question or not?
@piscoshour
No, no, no.
What I'm saying is, I have cared about the Epstein issue.
unidentified
Oh.
@piscoshour
The problem is, you guys.
nick sortor
Have you said it publicly?
unidentified
Yeah.
@piscoshour
There's videos of me talking about it.
unidentified
Okay, when?
nick sortor
You called for the Epstein list to be released?
@piscoshour
I don't know what you mean by the term Epstein list.
unidentified
Ah, okay.
All right.
@piscoshour
What do you mean by the term Epstein list?
nick sortor
Let's run around.
@piscoshour
What do you mean by the term Epstein list?
nick sortor
I want to know who raped children.
And all of a sudden, Demo's...
what do you mean what do you care about what do you mean going out there and getting naked in front of children.
@piscoshour
What do you mean by the term Epstein list?
nick sortor
I just told you.
I want to know who was on that fucking island children.
@piscoshour
That's what I want to do.
And so it's your position.
It's your position that Democrats don't care about that.
nick sortor
Okay, when did you start caring about it?
@piscoshour
Who are the people who are covering it up right now?
Who are the people covering up right now?
Who are the people covered up?
nick sortor
Okay, well, how many times have you been doing that?
Who are the people covering up?
Marsha Blackburn.
You've had Marsha Blackburn, Senator Donald Trump, come voting against Trump.
Shut the fuck up.
Republicans.
You're asking me a question.
You don't want to let me answer because you're trying to fill a buster here.
You've had Marsha Blackburn for years trying to get to the bottom of who was on the Epstein listen.
Democrats blocked it every single time.
You didn't say a goddamn thing the entire time.
Not one time.
Did you call for the Epstein list to be real?
@piscoshour
Yeah, I don't know what we're talking about.
I don't know what you're talking about, but right now.
That's his point.
tim pool
That's literally his points.
@piscoshour
Wait, hang on.
So I don't know the specific vote you're referencing.
The Democrats didn't sign on.
I haven't seen it.
I can't comment on it, but I can comment right now.
And you can too.
You can too.
The Republicans right now, Mike Johnson just closed fucking the House of Representatives to prevent them from getting access to the files.
What do you think?
nick sortor
Did you look at the case?
@piscoshour
What do you think of that?
What do you do?
nick sortor
Did you look at the calendar?
@piscoshour
What do you think of that?
tim pool
Did you see?
nick sortor
What do you think of that?
Did you see when the House of Representatives was supposed to reset?
@piscoshour
Are you just a couple weeks?
tim pool
It's not.
nick sortor
It was always supposed to be.
@piscoshour
It's been that way for a year.
nick sortor
They were supposed to recess on Thursday.
tim pool
They do it every single day.
@piscoshour
I want to interject because do you agree with the whole thing?
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
unidentified
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
tim pool
I agree with Mike Johnson.
Okay, I'm going to answer this because I actually spoke with Rokana and Thomas Massey and Massey twice.
And Massey said the August recess is a tradition based on the heat in D.C. That it wasn't about the Epstein vote, but they're getting as it is.
No, he might not.
nick sortor
He didn't say that.
This is not the first time you've been bullshitting.
Yes, man.
unidentified
You said that.
nick sortor
Mike Johnson was calling for a pardon for Ghelane Maxwell.
That's a fucking lie.
@piscoshour
He's quoting it.
nick sortor
He never said that.
@piscoshour
Why is he saying I have the power to do it?
nick sortor
He never said he was going to pardon Ghelane Maxwell.
He never even hinted at it.
You're making shit up.
And we're just hoping that everybody here doesn't understand that he didn't do it.
@piscoshour
Is he floating it?
nick sortor
Huh?
@piscoshour
Is he floating it?
nick sortor
Is he floating it?
No, not a single time.
Not one time.
@piscoshour
When did he do it?
nick sortor
Tell me when he did it.
@piscoshour
I have the complete power if I want to.
nick sortor
Tell me when he did it.
@piscoshour
So when he was talking to a reporter and the reporter asked, will you pardon Maxwell?
He's like, I have the power to do it.
That's him floating it.
Come on.
nick sortor
Wait, wait.
@piscoshour
That's a weird fucking answer.
nick sortor
Isn't that a weird answer?
@piscoshour
Isn't that a weird answer?
nick sortor
No, no, no.
So the president of the United States says, oh, I have the power to do it, but I'm not doing it.
So that's floating it.
That's exactly what he said.
I have the power to do it.
But I'm not doing it.
@piscoshour
Here's the question.
Shouldn't he say, of course, I would never pardon Maxwell, right?
Did you want to say that?
nick sortor
No, no, no.
I think it's even better to say, oh, I have power to do it, but I'm not doing it.
That's exactly what he said.
Oh, that's floating it.
He didn't know it.
That's exactly.
Does he or does he not have the power to do it?
And has he done it?
@piscoshour
He has the official body.
But he didn't say, I would never do it.
He said, I haven't thought about it.
nick sortor
All right, so let's floating it to it.
@piscoshour
Let's floating it.
nick sortor
Come on.
This is the Democrat.
This is the way that they operate here.
@piscoshour
Do you agree with Mike Johnson?
Do you agree with Mike Johnson closing Congress, closing the House, what they're doing because of this?
Do you agree with that?
nick sortor
Okay, but that's not what's going on.
You're making that up again.
That's another Democrat talking point.
You're saying that they recessed because of the Epstein files.
That is absolutely not true.
They were going to recess anyway.
@piscoshour
Mike Johnson is refusing to put this up for a vote.
He's refusing.
nick sortor
No, he did not.
It'll be up for a vote in September.
What do you mean?
No, did he say that it wasn't coming up for a vote?
unidentified
No.
@piscoshour
This isn't their priority.
They reconvened in September.
nick sortor
Why am I not mad?
No, I'm mad at the people like you that are letting people get naked in the streets in front of children on these bride parades and being like, oh, yeah, no, now we care about the Epstein.
unidentified
That's bullshit.
@piscoshour
You're happy with how Trump is handling it.
nick sortor
Okay.
@piscoshour
Are you happy with that?
nick sortor
No, no, I'm not.
Absolutely not.
No, no, no.
I think Pam Bonnie should be fucking sacked.
tim pool
I do.
unidentified
I do.
nick sortor
Absolutely.
@piscoshour
Because why?
Because why is he not firing Pam Bondi?
Because he's fucking stupid.
nick sortor
I don't know.
@piscoshour
Call him stupid.
He's not fired by Mother.
tim pool
I think Trump likes hiring a bunch of attractive women.
@piscoshour
Wait.
nick sortor
No, no.
Have you answered my question yet?
Hold on.
Hold on, no, no.
I mean, you can keep talking all you want to.
You can keep talking all you.
For whatever reason, his mic is way loud in the back room for whatever reason.
No, no.
You haven't answered that.
I got up here and you've been running in circles for five minutes now.
When did you start calling for the Epstein files to be released?
When?
@piscoshour
Yeah, so when you said.
nick sortor
Did you do it at all under Joe Biden?
@piscoshour
Yes.
nick sortor
Did you ever hit Joe Biden and say, yes, you need to release the Epstein files right now?
@piscoshour
So I talked about Epstein before.
nick sortor
What specifications?
You ain't mentioned him in passing.
@piscoshour
You will do anything.
You will do anything to shove responsibility now onto me.
Like, this is my fault.
nick sortor
I'm trying to figure out what your motive is.
I mean, the guy that's dogs all of a sudden cares about Jeffrey Epstein.
@piscoshour
Listen to this.
You said that.
You could have just said Trump.
You said that.
unidentified
Right.
nick sortor
He could have said no.
I don't say.
matan even
Can I ask you a question?
Please, let me ask you a question.
@piscoshour
So you said that Trump said that Trump said that Trump should fire Pam Bondi.
Why hasn't he?
Is he stupid?
nick sortor
Okay, what does this have to do with the question that I have?
Is he stupid?
Is he stupid?
He's not forgiving.
@piscoshour
Why is he doing that?
nick sortor
You know how difficult it is to re-nominate and have reconfirmed an attorney general?
I feel like if there's something that can be worked out to maybe get her back on track, that's what you should handle.
@piscoshour
You said she should be fired.
nick sortor
Yeah, I would love to see her.
I didn't want to see her there in the first place.
Yeah, I'm going to be back.
This is the difference.
This is the difference.
We Republicans are independent thinkers a lot of the time.
You guys have to go along.
You have to walk a line or else you're excommunicating.
@piscoshour
You're afraid of the family.
That's it.
tim pool
The first nomination.
Okay, Daddy.
nick sortor
So are you going to learn?
Are you going to answer my question?
Why all of a sudden do you care about the Epstein files?
@piscoshour
I'm saying that's not true.
nick sortor
I've always cared about Epstein.
You've always cared about the Epstein film, but you can't name a single thing you've said.
You can't criticize Joe Biden.
unidentified
You can't do it.
I don't understand.
nick sortor
It's like, this is not a difficult question.
@piscoshour
I'm not listening here as I sit here.
I don't have perfect recall of mind.
nick sortor
You don't have perfect recall of anything.
I mean, you've had a hypocrite and like a deadbeat in the White House for four years before this.
@piscoshour
What Americans love to do.
They make the subject now not about Trump.
Let's save Trump and let's go after the random guy we brought up here to yell.
tim pool
Let's go back to the dog question.
@piscoshour
So why don't we actually would it have been a better question?
matan even
Hey, hey, hold on.
@piscoshour
Why don't we actually hold on?
nick sortor
Are we going to get an answer to that question about you dogs before we leave here today?
I thought this was a joke and now all of a sudden I'm like, okay, you won't say no.
Yes or no?
Did you the dog?
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
nick sortor
I mean, what am I missing?
How can I get wrong?
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait.
@piscoshour
What a level of discourse.
This is how scrambling they are.
They're absolutely negative.
I'm not scrambling to defend their daddy.
Some narrative, indefensible, by the way.
tim pool
Okay, guys.
@piscoshour
Pam Bonnie should be fired.
There's no explanation for why he hasn't done it already.
tim pool
I think the answer to the question that was posed is an easy yes for a variety of reasons.
So let's just run down real quick.
matan even
He could have given an easy no.
nick sortor
Why would he have to?
tim pool
He could have.
I'm talking about is Trump winning.
matan even
Wait, wait, hold on.
I wanted to ask you, would it have been a better response from Trump?
I don't really care about that right now.
Hold on.
unidentified
If he just sat there going like this, like you did way more than that.
Guys, guys, that's what about Trump.
alex stein
Yes, guys, that has been our episode.
Hey, Peaceco, let's just wrap this thing up.
Thank you guys so much for being here.
That has been the second ever Culture War Live.
We appreciate all the people that came up here.
Now, we got to get out of here.
But before we go, starting with Nick, everybody introduce yourself or telling you how can I go quick.
tim pool
We got five minutes.
nick sortor
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm Nick Sorter.
I'm an independent journalist that yells and screams about the stype of liberal bullshit that this guy shills over here.
Yeah, so go ahead.
unidentified
Next.
matan even
I'm running a crypto sting right now.
It's going to go well.
unidentified
I promise you guys, nothing funny about it.
matan even
You can find it on my Twitter.
I'll be posting about it.
And that's about it.
alex stein
You guys know me.
I'm PrimeTime99, Pimpon.
I love you guys.
Thank you to Matan, Nick, Tim, Gavin, and Peaceco.
Thank you for coming in the lines, Den.
Thank you guys.
tim pool
I'll go last.
gavin mcinnes
I want to say Trump is winning, but he's not winning enough.
Before Biden, we had 30 million illegals.
He let in 12 million.
He's got about 1,200 days left.
If he did 10,000 a day, he'd get rid of the 12 million, and we're still stuck with the 30 million.
So instead of defending ourselves and arguing with guys like this, we should say, triple, quadruple down, Trump.
We need everyone out of here who's here illegally.
nick sortor
The fact this guy is pissed off means we're winning.
tim pool
We got two minutes.
@piscoshour
Yeah, no, Peace Go Lady.
Thank you guys for having me.
Trump is a disaster.
Losing on the economy, losing on prices, going over constitutional rights like they're nothing.
Sucks on immigration.
Absolutely corrupt.
$400 million Qatari Point.
Suck on this.
Being a fucking shill.
Being a shill for Israel, being a shill for Bibi Netanyahu, bombing Iran when that's what his daddy told him to do, Bibi Nanyahu.
And so, yeah, it's a complete disaster.
And now you're seeing people give cover.
And if he actually ends up pardoning Maxwell, they'll defend it too, because they'll defend anything this guy does.
tim pool
That's a long Twitter handle.
Where can they find you?
@piscoshour
Peace Go Liddy on Twitter and Peace Goes Hour on YouTube.
tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, it's been awesome to have our second live in-person culture war event.
I'm, of course, Tim Poole.
I appreciate all of you coming down.
I think the general conclusion is that Trump is winning, but maybe not enough.
But I do want to thank all of you for coming.
Subscribe, share the show, all that good stuff.
Next week, police, Michael Malice, Angry Cops.
And this one's going to be a lot of fun.
And then after that, we have the great feminism debate.
So thank you all so much for hanging out, and we will see you all next week.
alex stein
We love you guys.
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