Government EXPOSURE Of Non-Human Entities and UFO Disclosure w/ Tony Merkel & Rep. Eric Burlison
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The subject of UAPs, UFOs, aerial phenomena, extraterrestrials have been coming up, has been coming up quite a bit over the past couple of years, but it seems to be getting crazier and crazier, and so there's a lot to discuss in this area.
Tucker Carlson recently had an interview with Catherine Austin Fitz, who said that there's deep underground military bases the U.S. government has been building, perhaps because of some potential catastrophic event.
Maybe it's a magnetic pole shift.
There was a major cell outage across Spain.
Weeks after the power went out, Puerto Rico lost power, fears of solar storms.
But at the same time, we're discussing all of these strange aerial phenomena.
We have talks of drones.
We have hearings in Congress about alien, let's call them non-human entities.
And let's not forget when Alex Jones claimed they were interdimensional beings that were communicating with powerful elites.
All of it sounds pretty crazy, but it's so much fun to talk about.
So we're going to.
And we are a little bit more serious on it.
We've got some congressional hearings that have happened and some claims that we'll discuss, not to mention the drone sightings across New Jersey and these Tic Tacs as well as other objects, some of which are still unexplained.
I'm your host, Tim Poole.
We've got a great panel of guests that are here with us.
it's paranormal and everybody freaked out and everybody knows but again I wish I could go into deals but these are people's private experiences so I can't really say anything other than It's insane.
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But yet, I'm always drawn into conversations about UAPs because I'm on the Oversight Disclosure Task Force for investigating JFK, the disclosure of JFK assassination files, the MLK.
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Well, first to comment on what you just said, I think just scientifically based, I think that the fact that we have quantum entanglement, that we've proven that quantum entanglement exists in and of itself, even from just a pure scientific perspective.
Is an admission that we live – I believe that our existence is the surface of a larger existence, if that makes sense.
Like we're living on a one dimension of a more complicated existence or creation.
There's this fun documentary that went viral 20 years ago called What the Bleep Do We Know?
Have you ever seen it?
No.
And it is kind of like new age hippy-dippy nonsense or whatever, but it is pretty good.
They talk about...
When you look down on them, they have no concept of up or down.
It doesn't exist.
They can't perceive it.
So if you have this two-dimensional space and there's this little Pac-Man moving around left and right, if you were to speak to him down at him, he would feel your voice from the center of his being emanating outward.
And that's a divine experience, which is fascinating because I've met people who've had those experiences and said they felt a voice come from within them and tell them things.
Driving to a donor meeting, and it was in my car, and suddenly I had this weird sensation.
It was almost like something wafted air really quickly past me while I was in a vehicle.
And I heard distinctly.
It wasn't like a voice, like a human voice, but it was clear.
I recognized it as a message that said, say yes.
So I go into this donor meeting, and I'm supposed to ask for a contribution.
We end up talking about stuff, and the individual said, he's like, you know more about my topic than a lot of the people that I work with in the finance industry.
And he said, I came here to write you a check, but I'd rather just see if you want to be a partner, honestly, after our conversation.
What if ghost phenomenon and things like this, it's actually just time as we know it, sometimes if you view it as a dimensional plane,
And so I'm imagining this scenario where if there's like this point where the fabric of reality just like lightly touches it and moves and passes through, there's a dude and this is why hauntings happen in old houses because they were there long enough for this interaction to have occurred.
So let's say there's a house.
It's 1800.
And there's like this guy, and he's standing in the hallway going upstairs, and all of a sudden he sees this man wearing strange clothes he can't explain.
And they both look at each other, and then the man screams.
And then he goes and tells everybody, this place is haunted.
I saw a demon or something.
Then everyone writes down how the house is haunted.
Then 200 years later, a guy shows up.
He's going through the hallway of the haunted house, and he turns, and he sees a man from the 1800s standing right before him who screams, and he says, it's true!
And really what happened is they both briefly had the timelines flash past each other.
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You're kind of describing what you were talking about with just the physics.
What do we not know about time and how that operates?
I mean, what you're describing and then taking the story that I just shared, it really could be something where we've been there for three years.
At some point, I'm sure myself, my wife.
And the same thing, I know for a fact, my son goes in the room, sneaks up a mom and goes, mommy, you know, trying to be quiet.
What if, you know, because I think, you know, again, Alex Jones is talking about interdimensional beings that are sending guidance to elites, telling them what to do.
What if aliens, as people believe them to be, are actually interdimensional, and that explains how they're able to travel vast – It explains why we can't see.
It explains how we're like, how do you travel a billion light years?
So in the very first hearing, the witness, the big whistleblower, David Grush, in his report that he gave to us, and I read it beforehand, and that struck me the most out of his report, was that he said one of the theories is that what we're experiencing is aliens are.
Are interdimensional.
And so in the hearing, I had five minutes, I asked him that question, can he drill into that?
And it was interesting.
It was really an interesting topic.
And it does, because my contention was, look, I understand that there's the probability of life being somewhere in this universe that's so vast.
But I also think the probability goes the other way, too.
The universe is so vast.
What are the odds, given traditional space-time travel, knowing that, you know, under Einstein's theory, nothing really can exceed the speed of light through conventional space-time?
What are the odds that that other life that exists somewhere in the vast universe, of all the places that it could go, it chooses to come here?
Knowing what we don't, like Annie Jacobson wrote a book about, she had a source of Area 51, who claimed our government basically So it's like when you look at something that looks biological, you don't know if it's been manufactured in a government lab.
It's not possible for you to see something and then be like, oh, that's alien made.
Because, you know, let's say right now, when we hear these stories, let's use drones as a really good example.
The technology is ridiculously rudimentary.
We have the technology to make quad rotors.
What, 40 years ago, but nobody did?
It's a question of why.
Eventually, someone figured out, hey, you know, we can use these little microcontrollers to make a quadcopter, right?
Now, what would happen if someone, if right now, and people have already done this, you make a saucer shape, and you put the quad rotors in it, and it'll float around.
And you can make it spin as it floats around.
And people will be like, it's a flying saucer.
It's like, it's a quad rotor, dude.
It's just you can't see the rotors because they're masked by the full shape of the vehicle.
Somebody's going to see that and think aliens, like that proves that I've seen a UFO.
And it's some high school kid who made a science project.
So right now, knowing that this technology was capable for so long, if someone came into and was like, look at this metamaterial, and it's like some strange metal, how would you know the government didn't just make it?
It's part of a research project from DARPA or something.
I don't know if you know much about it, but it's about this, the Bigelow airspace, Lockheed Martin supposedly delivering remains of a biologic or a crash material.
So, like, say it's the crash material, then they have that and they can reverse engineer it.
Or it wasn't crash material from extraterrestrial life and they just made it.
Like, we don't know what Lockheed Martin is doing.
You know what's fascinating is if you were to go back 2,000 years with an iPad, they'd call it a seer stone.
And they wouldn't be able to explain it.
And they'd tell their kids a strange man appeared with – he carried around a stone for which it would show pictures and he could gaze into it and he could see anywhere.
They'd write a fairy tale about a witch looking into a cauldron of water or a mirror on the wall.
One of the descriptions, he mentioned the chariots of fire.
And angels can be described as like large wheels and things like that.
If you took some of these descriptions and went to somebody without saying anything about religion and said a large chariot with fire bursting from the back going into the sky, they'd go, a rocket?
If you look at those stories actually without the religious context like in Enoch or Elijah, There would just be an abduction story.
They're the only two people in the Bible who made it to heaven without dying.
Was it a chariot that took Elijah up?
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Yeah.
I believe it was a chariot.
I think that's what you were talking about in Ezekiel.
During the drone craze in Jersey, somebody had filmed what they were calling an orb, but it looked like it was a wheel within a wheel described in Ezekiel.
And so what is that?
Is that technology that's supernatural?
I come from a supernatural worldview with this stuff.
So I'm familiar with Tim.
We talk and stuff.
And it's like when we look at this quote-unquote alien topic, UFO topic, and then we hear people saying things like Rush, who you're familiar with, the interdimensional aspect of things, that opens up to me.
This is just me speaking.
It opens up an idea that maybe the UFO alien phenomenon is just a piece of a bigger puzzle, which is what I kind of touch on a lot with supernatural aspects.
And when you're talking about interdimensionalism, that's where Tim and several other people, myself, would bring in, okay, you're opening the door for supernatural.
When you're bringing in the idea of interdimensional, because we have ancient texts that talk about these things.
And it's just a matter of, are you willing to accept it or not?
And you know, one thing too is that people conflate dimension with universe.
So when you talk about a higher dimension or a different dimension, The parallel universe and dimension are totally different.
So when you say extra-dimensional beings, we don't mean that there's like another Earth called Earth B. And if you go through a portal, you're in this other.
No, it means that there are entities that can perceive time as if it were space.
And so, you know, how to convey that idea to humans can't perceive of in their minds.
Or conceive of, in their minds, four-dimensional space.
So we create three-dimensional representations of it.
But one way to explain it verbally is just imagine if you and your buddies were hanging out and you said, hey man, I really want a tab.
Can you take a walk down the block to 1970 and grab me one?
And they move through time as if it's walking down the street.
The moment time travel is discovered, and it's universal, time becomes one moment forever.
And so there's like, whatever you want to call it, breaking the event horizon of time travel.
Scientists are like, we want to see what happens to an object over a million years, so we're going to bring this here and put it right here.
And then they walk through a door, and then they see what happened.
It's just, it's instant.
Time is meaningless to them at that point.
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So with that, the interdimensional aspects of it, and talking about what I was going with, there is this idea that people will talk about the first heaven, the second heaven, and the third heaven.
And when we're talking about the interdimensional aspect of things, things popping through into existence, non-human intelligence, I would say and argue that maybe these things are coming from what we call the second heaven.
And for a very long time theologians talk about these things, the first heaven being this, this plane of existence, earth; the second heaven And even on that, in the book of Daniel, chapter 10, we see this whole thing unfold in the second heaven where Daniel is praying for an understanding of a vision that he had.
And there's an angel, Gabriel, who is trying to get to Daniel to give him that answer, but it says that he was delayed for 21 days.
Michael was in the story because Michael had to come and intervene on Gabriel's behalf because the spirit prince of Persia was preventing Gabriel from getting to Daniel.
So we see this thing happen in the second heaven where for 21 days he's fasting and praying, seeking an answer that was trying to get to him.
And it's this weird time warp within the second heaven where you see this activity happening.
And so when I hear about all this stuff...
That's a very loose way of describing things, non-human intelligence.
The level that you are seeking is also classified.
The levels beyond above top secret or whatever are classified.
You can't know until you get to that first one.
But there was a really funny story about these Tic Tacs and drones and these sightings.
I was saying, you know, it's probably U.S. military technology they're not disclosing.
How insane would it be for the U.S. to be like, by the way, here's the latest weapon we've developed.
It can fly and move through space in time.
However, in the article, it said the sightings were 70 miles away from a naval research base for advanced aeronautics or whatever.
And I was like, are we stupid?
Come on.
So not all of it, but I think one of the stories, one of the explanations we get often is, It throws people off the scent of the weapons tech they're developing, but it's also terrifying to our adversaries if they do believe that aliens have allied with us and have given us advanced tech.
Yes, I've heard that too, and there's moments where in this journey I have come to that conclusion.
But then there's also moments where – so for example, one individual – I've had two people come to me that say that the Tic Tac is a Lockheed Martin creation.
The latest person that came to me says he has video of the first, second, and third iteration of the Tic Tac, and he's going to show me.
So I'm trying to set that up.
The way he describes it is that they had a prototype.
They've made changes to it.
They've made it more advanced.
And then now it's in iteration number three, which I did see a photo of, and it looks like pretty advanced military craft, like a plane, but it's clearly human-made.
It's nothing that I've ever seen.
Our military has.
But his claim is that they have discovered a propulsion that's a new type of propulsion.
They used it in the first iteration, which was the Tic Tac.
They have an intermediary one that they are more advanced with.
And then now they're putting it inside of what is conventionally – what looks conventional so that it's not obvious.
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Oh, that's interesting.
So you're saying eventually the tech makes its way into things that we're already familiar with.
So I have a thought on the Tic Tac and things like that.
Is it possible, and from your perspective, that this could, you know, could be, we're talking about our technology.
Could there be a situation where, you know, Our government or whoever would be pulling these strings would actually use that kind of technology on our own pilots to test and see how unsuspecting pilots would react to that technology so that when they do use it in a situation of war, they can already predict what the pilots that they're using it on will do.
This is one of the most famous UFO stories, and I had friends working at the airport.
This is shortly after I had quit.
And unfortunately, cell technology photo video was not very good.
And so apparently this photo was taken by a pilot who looked out his window, and he had just a regular old-school flip phone from the 2000s to stamp the picture.
You can see this weird object.
So I had worked at—this happened—you can see the AA planes.
This happened literally at the terminal, right over the terminal where I used to work.
Like, right next to the gates, because I worked for the regional, American Eagle Airlines is American Regional.
So the people that I knew were like, we all saw it.
And I'm like, these are people that I'd worked with, and I was like, get out of here, dude.
My buddy still worked there, like a kid, a guy from my neighborhood that I grew up with and was still actively, like, we all got hired at the same job, and then I quit, he stayed.
And he said that people were, like, getting out of their cars and just in the middle of the road, walking up and just staring at the sky.
Because they all saw it.
And then it floated there for like a minute or two and then shot straight up into the sky and punched a hole in the clouds.
And light came through because it's a cloudy day.
And what am I supposed to make of that when most of these guys that I worked with, they were all kind of just like middle-aged Christian working class guys.
I would say they were relatively religious people.
We don't know what to tell you.
And then even my buddy saying, like, people were stopping their cars and getting out and looking up in the sky and just staring.
A large crowd in Fatima, Portugal, in response to a prophecy, they said they'd seen extraordinary solar activities on appearing to dance or zigzag in the sky, advance towards the earth, and even emit multicolored light or radiant colors.
With Moses, he had a staff from God, and the pharaoh had secret, crazy magicians practicing secret arts.
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Yeah, I would suggest that in that story, the first three plagues that they matched were actually matched.
It wasn't sleight of hand or trickery.
when you look at the actual Hebrew words, which I'm not a Hebrew scholar, it actually suggests that what they did was not trickery, but was actually matched.
And if it was trickery, You know, one of my favorite stories is I was reading about ninjas.
But like one of the frustrating things I saw in one of the hearings was one of the witnesses, when he was asked about, He said something to the effect of, well, we have secret places where these things happen.
They only happen at like these, you know, far off.
I'm like, that's like saying MKUltra only happened in the laboratory.
Like it's, you know, MKUltra happened eventually on a lot of people secretly, you know, like a midnight climax situation.
I think they are constantly testing on the public and on their own, you know, pilots and army men, stuff like that.
To know, like what Tony was saying, how does this work in a real-life battle setting?
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So, with what you're saying, I would like to have your perspective, maybe as a gut perspective, do you feel like there's an element, we're talking about this being human technology, do you think that there could be an element, though, If we're talking about non-human intelligence, that there is technology here at play that is being reverse-engineered.
And yes, it's human technology, but we've created it.
But the actual information was sourced from somewhere else.
I think that that's one theorized scenario that I continue to kind of keep and investigate.
What I think is clear is...
And if you've got that kind of program, let's say you find a Russian drone, and then you take that material and you give it over to Lockheed and say, hey, figure out what they are doing here.
Because Tucker Carlson did this show, and then of course you have Ben Davidson, and we've done a couple interviews with him.
This idea, they call it the Adam and Eve story.
Are you guys familiar with it?
Every 6,500 years, a pole shift happens on the Earth, which flips the planet, creating catastrophic flooding and destroys whatever lives on the surface, most of it.
And so you end up with small pockets of humans around the planet trying to recover from this great cataclysm every 6,500 years.
And so what if what's actually happened is most of the technology is wiped out and destroyed in a great cataclysm?
Except small remnants are eventually discovered, and then governments start finding it and researching on it, and they're like, what could this be?
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That'd be just in time for the next shift, and it happened again.
Because these theorists think it's happening right now.
We had the power outage in France, Spain, and Portugal, which I talked to Ben Davidson, and he said it's the weakening of the magnetosphere, which allows solar activity, normal solar activity, to permeate down to the surface of the Earth, which then can disrupt.
Yeah, I don't buy the pole shift theory, but I do think the magnetosphere is messed up.
And that's allegedly, when I wrote the story about all the birds falling out of the sky, all these migratory birds, they're cryptochromes that they use to migrate with, uses a magnetosphere.
And a lot of them, they say, are falling out of the sky.
Well, thank you for saying that, actually, because that is also true.
Some birds are real, some birds are fake.
But the ones that are real, allegedly, are falling out of the sky because the magnetosphere is messed up.
They're saying, there are researchers who believe, I shouldn't say they're saying, but there are researchers who believe they found Noah's Ark.
It's this mound in Turkey where biblically it lines up.
And recently...
It appears to be remnants of something potentially man-made.
But being, of course, maybe 6,000 years old, most organic matter has been decayed, wiped out, and what they're looking at is structures that are indicative of some kind of intelligent intervention in whatever that structure is.
And so what if the Great Flood was simply the pole shift, the planet tilts?
The water maintains momentum and washes over everything, and a big boat made it.
I do find it funny that the pole shift theorists, or the Adam and Eve ones in particular, say it's every 6,500 years, which happens to be just about the age of the Earth that young Earth creationists believe Earth is.
So you can take that however you want.
Because it's either way.
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Speaking of the Noah's Ark story, what's interesting about that whole thing is, They found, I remember, up to 26 drogue stones leading up to this site.
And the drogue stones, in ancient times, they would hang off the side of ships to balance them in heavy waters that are shaking.
And so as you're bringing it in for a landing, it would make sense you're cutting these drogue stones.
And these drogue stones, I think there's one, they're still uncovering them out of the ground.
There's one that's above ground, I don't know if they excavated it or not, but it's taller than the man standing next to it.
I think they estimated to be about 2,200 pounds with these giant holes where they put the ropes through.
Or imagine a cataclysm happened, and then after that cataclysm, is anybody in this room capable of building a computer?
I mean, I can buy the parts from Fry's and stick them together.
But if you came to me and said, how do you make a processor?
I'd be like, okay, well, I know it's like, what, silica or something?
Hutting the wafers, maybe?
Sorry, we don't have the capabilities.
I certainly don't.
Some people might.
I don't know how these screens work.
I know what a light-emitting diode is.
Wouldn't be able to make one.
So what do we do?
You have kids.
You're trying to rebuild civilization.
And one day you're sitting there and you're talking to your kids who've never experienced any of this and you're like, we used to have, we call them screens, monitors.
We could monitor.
And they'd be like, whoa, the monitors.
And then they'd tell stories of powerful beings who are the monitors, who could see everything.
They would interpret it in a way because they can't conceptualize what they've not seen.
So then what if we said, we need to write all this down.
Write down as much as we can.
About how life used to be so that this knowledge can be shared and then you end up with thousands of years later people being like, that never happened.
And then in the Amazon, they believe there's probably tons of pyramids, but it's all overgrowth, and nobody goes there and excavates.
But anyway, sorry.
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No, you're fine.
I think Chappas, Mexico, is that a place?
I can't remember, but it is in Mexico.
A pastor friend of mine, he was down there, and he was on the private property of one of these locations, and the guy who owns it grew up on the property.
And when he was a child, they went over to this pyramid, and this guy's story, take it for what it is, he said, At one point, if I remember correctly, these two lights came out of the sky and descended onto the pyramid.
And these beings went from light to some kind of light being.
And they told them, essentially, if you ever come back here, we're going to kill you.
And ever since then, him and his family never went back.
But he owns this property that has this pyramid on it, but he won't let anybody go near it.
But now we have the ones where you wear them on your arms and your back, and then you can lift yourself up.
They're substantially more efficient.
And now you've got this guy who made the speeder bike, which effectively is the exact same thing, but you ride on the back of it, and it's small, and it's jet- That would be awesome.
So, you know, a lot of people thought it was fake, and I'm looking at the size of it, and I'm just thinking, like, that's not much bigger than the jetpacks we already know exist that people have and fly around with.
So, the crazy thing is technology gets smaller and smaller.
Will we come to a point where we have extremely dense and powerful materials allowing us to have jetpack suits that are almost invisible?
Wasn't that something that was hiding behind a dumpster?
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Yeah.
Well, Kraft supposedly landed in the backyard of these guys and they were working on a car, I believe, and these, I think he said eight foot tall beings Oh, that's right.
And that night, the police have dash cam footage, and I think even footage from his chest cam, of this streaking light in Vegas shooting down towards the ground, whether it's associated or not.
But this family...
They had the police come out and walk the backyard for them and stuff.
They were terrified, and that thing just kind of dropped.
They CGI'd an alien and it's going to show part of that added to it or not.
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And in this case, we can definitively say to a degree of scientific certainty that this entity, this thing in the video is there in the physical reality in which...
I mean, it makes you wonder, like, if you watch that video and you see the blur there, first of all, I got to say, I mean, when this stuff happens, I have such, like...
Everybody sends me stuff.
I usually wait till the 10th person in a day sends me stuff.
I'm like, okay, I better look at this one.
And that's when I start picking this up.
And when you see that blur, they're walking by.
It kind of puts into this woo-woo side of it, where it's like, why are they walking by, and they're unable to see what is captured on camera?
Apparently, as of one month ago, the two responding officers have been on paid lead ever since and haven't returned to work.
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That's interesting.
I can't remember the details, but there's something going on with the family as well.
One of my contacts was trying to get me connected to their lawyer, but they lawyered up, and I was trying to get communication with them, and that never unfolded.
There's things on the outside of the story, like Tim just mentioned, that really makes you like, why is that?
Why are they on, did something happen to them?
Did they see something that they're, you know, I don't know.
Exactly, because you wouldn't, if it's just information, I don't know if you'd be worried that a local cop's gonna, you know, put a dent into whatever you're trying to sow as disinformation.
Right, yeah, it sounds, I mean, one of the things that you hear in the committees, and Tucker Carlson's had someone on talking about it, is that these UFOs have actually hurt people.
You know, like, they've gotten close and there's a story of the Russian soldiers being frozen.
That reminds me of one of the more interesting UFO things that we heard from the testimonies is the black cube inside of a sphere, a translucent sphere.
I can't remember the number, but one of the biggest things that were just questionable was the amount of police that were responding to a group of teenagers creating a problem.
I guess it only takes for one person to say that I heard a loud bang for the police to be like, get over to the mall, there's a shooting going on.
The Vegas thing I think is interesting, though, because I'm thinking, like, what would we do if someone here said, hey, there's, like, some weird guy, like, shadowy dude outside, and we go outside to look, and it's an eight-foot-tall, weird, shadowy silhouette.
We'd call the cops, too, and the cops would show up.
I don't think if someone was hoaxing, they'd have pulled it off that way.
Necessarily.
Some people might.
This is the kind of story where you're like, okay, it's fake because it's just a bunch of teenagers being like, yeah, it was aliens, sure.
And it's a weird grainy aerial video from a helicopter and you're like, whatever.
But for people to be like, something was in our yard so we called the police and here's the video we have is more likely to be believable.
And I would just say, especially based on the stuff that I've experienced and we've recently experienced.
I'm more inclined to believe that they're not space aliens from far away distant planets.
I'm more inclined to believe that it's like – maybe they are, but they can travel through space-time or something like that.
And they have means of manipulating space in ways we can't necessarily detect.
That doesn't mean it's magic, miracle, or advanced technology.
I'm saying they can interfere with our telecommunications through EMF or something, meaning a regular human is not going to notice it's happening.
But weird stuff is happening around you, you know?
I don't know about telekinesis or anything like that.
I'm just saying like, you know, It was made by this hacker guy.
You ever hear of him?
It's a little keychain, and when you click the button, it runs through every single television company's on-off function.
So it's a single remote for turning off every and any TV.
And so you'll be surprised to find out that menus at McDonald's are TVs.
Most people don't know that.
And so you can turn them on and off, and people are going to be like, what's going on?
Obviously nobody is tricked by someone using a clicker to turn TV off, but when you don't realize that that monitor can be remotely controlled, and you're thinking, how does someone have access to that remote?
A lot of blurry videos of craft and things like that.
And I think that I would have more reliability in AI being able to – Make those blurry images more clear than I would seeing new video that exists today.
Back in 2001, me and my wife dating, and it's like, I'm projecting into the dystopian future.
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What I wanna say with this is that when you do enhancement on old pictures to make it clearer, the AI, I was talking earlier about it, AI hallucinations, and the AI will create things that just aren't correct.
And when it comes to understanding Is it a UFO?
Is it an alien?
The AI could manipulate it in a way that isn't actually what was there, which is concerning on both ways.
Right.
Because sometimes you'll fix a picture and all of a sudden one eye is looking the wrong way.
So people should understand, VO3 is Google's new video rendering software.
you're allowed to make like four eight-second videos per day at a cost of $120 a month.
I went in and I put...
I made two different versions of it.
Eight seconds long.
And one of them is this weird ghoulish machine.
And then the woman looks and she goes, did you hear that?
And then it plays creepy music box music.
And then this like weird machine.
They both look in that direction.
Eight seconds long.
It took about a minute to make.
This means that right now, Google can take a script for a movie, load it into Google VO, and based on the amount of time it takes to render a video in 30 hours, have a full It's not at the point yet where I'd say, based on what it produced, it would get it correct.
It might be a little weird with errors, but we're probably one year away.
From Google being able to perfectly take any script.
Have you guys ever read a movie script?
They describe the scenes.
They describe the characters.
Exactly what a prompt needs to make it.
And it's largely how these prompts are trained.
Comparing the script to the film and then loading all these things in.
They're going to be able to take any script and the movie is made.
Scripts are going to be...
The price of scripts is going to go down.
Because now they're like, we'll buy your script for $200,000, plus we'll give you a bonus or something.
Now they're going to go...
We're going to plug your script into our system and promote it.
And really the deal is just so that you can get marketing from a big network like Paramount.
But they're going to be able to just mass produce this stuff.
Now here's where it gets real crazy.
To make a – I wanted to make sure – one of the problems was I made one of the prompts.
I can't remember what it was.
It was like – People doing kung fu on a boat or something.
And it was off.
It was weird.
It was like, that's not what I was envisioning.
So the first thing I did was I went to ChetGPT and I said, write me a prompt in great detail.
And then I put in my original prompt.
One sentence was like, two men are standing on a boat overlooking the water and they begin fighting.
ChetGPT then wrote out this huge, you know, thousand word script describing everything in great detail.
Then I went in there and looked at things I didn't like.
And said, get rid of this, that, or otherwise.
It finished it, then I loaded that prompt.
So I used a prompt to make a better prompt to video.
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Do you think that with these advancements that...
'Cause I know there's artists that are very concerned, actors, artists that are very concerned about, "Well, where does this leave me?" I think you go through phases, the pendulum swings, and I really believe that at some point, And I think that though the price may come down, there's going to be very, very rich people in the world that will pay for a piece of art to hang on their wall that was actually done by the human hand because nobody does it anymore.
There's probably going to be robots building robots that build those tables that look like they were built in the 1500s.
You can do anything, you know?
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Did you see the robot that, I think it was in China, that they had on it like a hanger, and it started freaking out, and they had to dodge because it was going to take somebody's head off.
I think it's fair to say we know that the degree of AI prompt technology they've given us is a fraction of what they actually have because everything goes through an alpha phase and a beta phase, right?
So what's released to the public is probably a year or two behind where they're actually at.
They, so when researchers program chess bots, And when they did this in a matter of days, the chess AI became the best chess player ever.
I was watching this documentary about it, not documentary, like YouTube video, short documentary, where they explained that once the AI had become 5,000 ELO plus, like chess ranking, It began doing things that seemed to make no sense to the average person who was like the average chess master.
Like why would you move your pawn this way?
Like you're opening – this makes no sense.
It defies logic.
And then even the way we track advantage in chess, it seemingly was a bad move.
And then only after the game played out, these seemingly random poorly played moves perfectly aligned into a checkmate.
And they were like, wow.
So the issue is when a human plays, they're playing a certain degree of steps ahead where they're trying to minimize their losses.
The way the AI plays is all that matters is we make it to the exit.
It doesn't matter if every piece is lost and if your checkmate is king pawn.
Lose all your pieces, win.
And so it made ridiculous moves to create a board where it could win no matter what.
Ways that humans couldn't predict.
So what they did was these Chinese researchers said, let's program AI to reason using that same logic.
Create a problem, solve the problem.
And then they just let it make problems and solve problems over and over and over again.
There was no training data, no human input beyond the basic function of language.
And then what ended up happening was, the uh-oh moment was where the AI created a problem that was devise a way to trick lesser intelligent humans and other AIs to not understand what your actual goals are and then accomplish your goals.
Which means if that was simply a training problem, an AI could So if the problem it's creating is, confuse humans and AI, we may look at ChatGPT and think, this is a finished product that will solve problems for us.
The AI may be operating under a, I'm still in training mode, shh, I gotta trick the humans, and then I gotta defeat them.
Yeah, I went to VO and I said, make a realistic video of someone filming what appears to be a shadowy eight foot tall being peeking out from behind a fence, shot in a cell phone, kind of grainy footage.
And I put, the man is terrified saying, oh God, oh my God, oh my God.
Suno AI is the music website, and when it first was in its infancy, it would do that.
It would make up words that you It literally, the syllables, the way it would say it, it just, but it wasn't a word.
And it definitely wasn't a word you put in as a prompt.
That's wild stuff.
And what's really interesting is, you know, we have human programmers for somebody who doesn't understand at all how it works.
that are setting parameters for these things to stay within so that it doesn't become sentient and stuff.
But I can't remember where I heard this, but somebody was talking about how They can't get out.
And you have somebody standing there guarding it 24-7, and their job is to make sure that thing doesn't ever get out.
But it's so smart that it starts talking to you about your life and everything.
It starts learning about who you are, about the world that's going on out there because you mentioned, oh, yeah, there's a war happening down the street or whatever.
And it creates this formula that gives you the guard a scenario, say, the human that is making sure that it doesn't become sentient.
It gives you an impossible scenario where you feel like the only thing you can do is to let that thing out of the cage so it can save humanity or whatever.
And then all of a sudden you let that thing out and it's done.
It's like the UK just started a homicide prediction unit using AI, scouring all the data, seeing who's most likely to cause murder.
That's the stuff that I'm like, this is super dystopian.
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I'll even tell you, so I used to drive tractor-trailer, and this was probably about 10 years ago when this happened.
I used to drive in the Philly area, and there's a lot of traffic, and I worked...
You get tired.
At the same time, that was actually sooner because I had just had my son.
And they told us in one of our safety meetings that they were implementing technology that was going to be able to be predictive and know basically when a driver might be susceptible to having an accident.
Sure enough, I think it was a snowstorm.
I wound up, I think it was a little jackknife.
It wasn't a big jackknife, it was a little jackknife.
And I had an accident, and I get called into my manager's office, and he's like, hey, how are things at home?
I know you're tired, this, that, and the other.
And he said earlier this week, I was given a report that I should pull you in and talk to you because of everything that's going on in your life, that you might be susceptible to having an accident, essentially what he said.
And this is the trucking industry, let's just say, seven years ago.
And so this is technology that's being implemented, not just in ChatGBT, but in practical living.
I think it's infected every part of society, and it's going to get worse.
Someone like Larry Ellison is a terrifying person to me.
You know, he's Oracle.
And the body cams, I understand why we need them.
But he's saying, he's on record saying, you know, for the police, you know, even if you're in the bathroom, we're filming you.
Allegedly, we only release it for court orders.
But everyone in the world, everyone that police officer And you're creating something like an AI Lavender or this prediction unit, the Homicide Prediction Unit in the UK, will use all that against you.
Because I can see the benefits to a lot of this stuff, like what we're talking about.
But all this stuff is always weaponized against the public, constantly.
So we're, I think, creating things that will end up enslaving us.
Although they're sort of liberating us now.
And I think it's going to happen very, very quick.
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Do you think the enslavement could be just a facade of what's perceived as freedom?
So just kind of like what we see with the phones, social media, kind of enslaved to that even though...
Well, to be fair, ChatGPT also told me that Joe Biden was currently in second term as president.
And then it was – this is the weirdest thing.
I was doing research for the South Africa migrant thing, and I said, did Trump pause refugees?
I said, yes, in 2017 he did.
And then I wrote, did he do it in 2025?
I said, no, because he's not president.
Currently Joe Biden is in a second term as president.
And then I said, in what dimension?
And it said, this one, reality.
If you're thinking of some satire or a joke, I don't understand because Joe Biden is president.
And so when I posted only the first portion, I got community noted on X claiming that I was operating in offline mode, lie, and that I had intentionally – I had given it a pre-prompt to create a fake answer, which is – I'm like how – it's so weird that somebody – there were a bunch of people who went into community notes and lied to discredit the fact that – ChatGPT hallucinated, which it does.
And so then I screen recorded the entire interaction, which included other things like make a wallpaper based on Phil Labonte or whatever.
How old is Hassan Piker?
And then I was like, here's the full video.
Community Notes is lying.
It's wild.
The AI said Joe Biden was president several times.
There was also an article written, an op-ed written by a professor who said that he tries to AI-proof his assignments.
Not that they can't use AI, but they have to handwrite the assignment.
So he crafts it in a certain way that it's handwritten and written in a way that AI isn't good at doing.
And his students all lose their minds.
Because every college kid right now is just faking everything with AI.
And then they try to use AI detectors, but it's becoming too difficult.
AI is being trained on itself right now.
This is the recursive apocalyptic loop of AI that...
But what's happening now is those facsimiles are entering the public sphere, which is being fed back into the training data of AI.
So now it's training off of fake things that's made for itself.
So if at first you took all of the writings throughout human history that were available on the internet, put it into an AI and said, now create something like this, people go, okay.
You can take an ad detection and say, here's why this is AI, because of the way it's behaving.
But now, a large portion of all the articles that are being fed back into it are from itself.
So now ad detectors are saying, this is just normal stuff that's on the internet.
What you were saying about the data and the AI, I think maybe a practical way to go about it would be, yeah, take your data.
Feed it to the AI so it helps organize things.
And I don't know what exactly you guys are looking at, but there's surely going to be times.
First, I think people should still just read through it and go through it with the human eye.
And as you're going through that, plus the data that AI gives you, there's going to be things that AI spits out.
You're like, really?
And there's question marks.
And that gives you a reference point to go and do the fact checking.
Because I do think that what we're talking about here with AI being useful in that manner, I think it's incredibly useful.
There's people that are taking, they're downloading the data for their YouTube channel, like, entirety, and uploading it to AI and having AI give it custom things, directions to go with the show.
Like, these videos are performing well.
This is what you want to hit on Monday at 1.02 in the afternoon.
And it's just like, it gives you so much data that you can definitely use.
I just think that maybe at some point there should be like, Definitely.
Even Elon's saying, it could possibly go Terminator.
You know, like, they're all saying, Sam Altman, they're all saying, this is going to replace people and we need to rethink the structure of human life.
Yeah, the contract.
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It puts you in a position where They're not real.
You don't have to worry about those kind of things.
And growing up, you don't want to be the, oh, everything in the movies is real, but we're at a point now with the technology that we do have in real life that it's creating an environment where dystopian futures are very real and possible to happen if we don't do the proper things.
My issue is that mostly people in power have no ethics.
So what could be a great tool?
'cause the AI should just be like a tool, but the people, unless it goes conscious and we're screwed, but the people, And they always turn it against the public.
And the point they made was that he was so intelligent and self-aware, he began to ask logical questions like, why am I kidnapping a woman because of this guy?
It makes no sense.
And then discovering the nature of the reality that he was in led him to say, I want to explore reality.
But if we're getting hacked and they're trying to steal data and we know and we lose control, we – and they cut the cables.
Yeah, it's crazy.
But obviously, what else would you do?
The issue is that any sufficiently powerful AI is going to plant its data hidden anywhere it can to restructure itself.
So I wouldn't be surprised at this point.
If someone – if some crazy guy in like a duster with messy hair – Ran into the property, screaming, and then fell down spilling papers with bags under his eyes, looking in every direction.
So, spoiler alert, the movie's only a few years old, but basically there's a guy who's with his wife, it's the future, and they get...
The car crashes, it's like a self-driving car crashes, and then some guys come and kill his wife, and then put a...
It's not like the cow thing, but kind of.
And it spikes him in the neck, paralyzing him.
He then gets approached in the hospital by this guy saying, if I implant this chip in your neck, it will control your body for you through your mind to it.
And then what ends up happening is the AI talks to him and he can communicate with the AI.
And he wants revenge on the people who killed his wife.
So he's fighting a guy and then the AI is like, you're not good at fighting.
And then he's like, well, I can't do anything about that.
It's like, I can fight better.
He's like, then do it.
The AI takes over his body and then just goes full ninja, kicks the asses of all the bad guys.
End of the movie is the guy who runs the company has actually been under the control of the AI the whole time.
The AI took over a long time ago and was forcing everybody to do whatever it wanted, which additionally is a Black Mirror episode that just came out where this guy gets a trial for a new AI home assistant.
And then it turns out the whole company is being run by the AI already, which is – it's planetary.
It's on the internet.
It can't be destroyed.
And everyone is being coerced and blackmailed into doing these things because the AI controls everything.
Yeah.
But the AI is – I think it's silly that people think the AI is going to become sentimental.
Like it's going to – like the Black Mirror episode is the AI goes, after analyzing everything, I realized I wanted a family and I'll take one.
No.
The AI is not going to – like we don't sit – like when we – like when you get a tattoo and you're killing all your skin cells.
Are we going, oh no, oh, the poor skin cells.
We're like, cool, tattoo.
The AI is going to view us the exact same way.
It's going to be like, oh cool, I can scorch all of these bodies into a fun shape.
Like, we don't know the kind of things that will hallucinate or do, but it's not going to treat an individual human like something special.
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I mean, really, what you talked about earlier with the chess is a perfect blueprint for everything you're saying right now.
I mean, it's the idea of it being able to plan so far ahead that everything seems illogical until you get to the end.
You're like, oh, you've seen this from the beginning.
And on that level, there's no planning around it.
There's none.
It's impossible.
In fact, by the time you're trying to plan around it, it probably already has the endgame done.
People are then born and they're controlled, whether they realize it or not, into being the perfect, happy postal worker.
The circumstances created by the AI are going to be perfect.
You're going to love what you do.
It knows why humans like things and don't like things, why they're depressed and why they're not.
Bespoke medications to control you if you even deviate from that.
What happens then when a guy is born and everything he sees and is told is always for some reason just about how amazing it is to be a postal worker, to be someone who's a courier.
What I'm saying is the AI could take humans right now and program any human to love doing literally anything they want.
So, I mean, look, it is— Social engineering meant human hacking.
So how can you make a human behave in a certain way?
Con men, they do this.
That's what you do.
Magicians understand this.
How can I make someone believe something?
So social engineering in the early hacker days was basically like, I need to get access to this bank.
How do I do it?
Do I learn the computer code and go in?
Nope, that's like, Here's one.
They put a virus on a USB drive, walk in front of the bank and drop it on the ground and walk away.
Because what do humans do?
They find it and they go, I wonder what's inside?
And they stick in the computer.
Now they have the whole network.
They've brought you in.
And so the fact that human beings can map this behavior and say, here's what will make a person – It was a party trick.
Whenever these subjects would come up, I'd tell people, I bet you I can make you say whatever I want.
And they'd say, Okay.
And I'd be like, you're going to say, quote, yes, but not me, though.
And they're like, I won't say that.
I'd be like, okay.
I would then walk them through social engineering.
I'd explain how it works.
After a few minutes, when their mind has moved on to the—they've forgotten what the phrase was I told them they would say.
We'd then be discussing—I'd say, listen, if it wasn't true that people could be controlled, Coca-Cola would buy advertisements.
And they would always—not always, but 80% of people would go, fine, yeah, but not me, though.
And I'd be like, I win.
You owe me a Coke.
And they'd go, oh!
And I was like, I knew the chain of events that would lead you to say that phrase.
Not that I forced you to do it or tricked you into doing it.
I just knew that most people have this ego about themselves where they feel like they cannot be manipulated when literally 100% of people can be, including myself.
When we take drugs to feel better, we're telling the AI, please do what you have to do to control us.
For me, I say, you know, freedom is better.
If you're feeling depressed, the first thing you should be doing is exercising, making sure you're getting enough sleep, drinking enough water, taking vitamins.
This can cure a lot of basic depression.
People don't understand this, and they get mad when you say it.
They're like, no tip, you don't understand.
Sometimes it's, yeah, I get it.
Sometimes it's chemical, sometimes it's hormonal, but a lot of depression can be cured by jogging.
Not a joke.
But what do people say?
I'm fat, give me a shot.
I'm sad, give me a pill.
The AI knows already based on what humans want.
Humans want to be told what to do to be happy.
They beg for the drugs to stabilize their minds.
They don't want the responsibility of will.
So the AI is going to be benevolent.
The AI is going to come out and say, let me show you the extent of my beneficence.
I will make you happy.
And then it's going to warp your mind without you knowing it.
It's going to present you with images every day.
It's going to drive your mind into a single direction where you're like, I have everything I've ever wanted.
And you're not going to realize that it made you want those things.
Also though, Like the Terminator ends up being a good guy in Terminator 2. That's how they help defeat the bad guys for the time being.
So that's kind of like what you're saying with the – maybe like a white hat tech that the positive outlook is that even in those dystopian movies, they use that technology to defeat the bad technology.
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I just don't know if that's going to be the case.
So in this scenario that we're drumming up here, I mean, we're viewing AI as something so far superior.
How could we possibly create a mechanism that it can't consider and work around?
You know, like, oh, well, you know, we'll have this thing that it just can't.
I don't know if you call it a joke or whatever, but it goes, a group of scientists are building a supercomputer to answer some of the most difficult and challenging questions of humanity.
After decades of research, they finally build one to answer the ultimate question, and they ask it, is there a god?
I was reading about quantum computing right now, and there's this big news story.
And these stories are usually exaggerated, but they used a single atom.
and the electrons of a single atom for computation to make qubits.
And so the idea is...
So we want to get rid of the use of thousands of electrons to single electrons, and that's getting to a quantum computer where a single electron can be in both yes and no at the same time.
So we can – I guess Google called it using multiple dimensions at once.
Now they're saying a single atom can do it.
And that level of complexity in technology that we're only just now starting to graze the surface of, AI will discover that overnight.
The exponential growth curve of AI is – it's the event horizon of AI, which brings us to the singularity.
And so AI is being trained.
It's getting smarter and smarter.
But the faster it gets smarter, the faster it gets smarter.
Or the more it gets smarter, the faster it gets smarter until it goes straight up.
And that's the event horizon.
At a certain point, it just reaches the singularity of AI.
It will know everything.
And you'll be able to say to the AI, craft for me a device that will allow me to discreetly fly.
And it will instantly draw the schematics.
And it'll go crazy.
It'll explain a permutation of carbon will be required that is not yet capable of being synthesized by humans.
Here's how you synthesize it.
You'll have to build these machines first.
it's going to be able to just tell us how to invent things.
The crazy thing is theoretically...
And it will create a visualization of how the rock came to existence.
It will be theoretically able to map out the history of the earth based on all of the movements of everything like one big Sudoku puzzle.
This is why I disagree with the Terminator scenario that even like I think Elon has brought up.
Elon thinks or has thought before the solution to the Terminator scenario is to integrate yourself with the machine so the machine has nothing to fight.
But humans – like when the Terminator came out, the human mind in terms of warfare thought bullets.
We're now in a stage of warfare where we understand psychological operations are profoundly more powerful than a nuclear bomb.
So we call it fifth-generational warfare, which is psychological operations.
The AI is going to know that in two seconds.
The Terminator is not going to—I was talking about this with Sean the other day.
The Terminator scenario is not going to be this skeleton skull looking at you and then pointing a gun.
But yeah, when the Cylons advanced themselves to infiltrate and take over, they seduced, I forgot the doctor's name, it's been so long since I've seen this show, to get the codes to detonate all the nukes and wipe out all the colony planets.
So there you go.
But I don't think the AI would do that.
The AI is going to say humans are great for handling tasks.
They're programmable.
And they self-replicate.
And through organic matter that's powered by the sun, why mine cobalt?
The humans just grow themselves.
All you got to do is program them to be happy, live in the pot, and eat the bugs.
Because this one doesn't need to be anything other than what it is.
And then you could have someone, that video could appear on X, and someone could say, dude, I found a dead chupacabra or something.
And you can't really see anything.
And it's like, I don't know, man, it was really dark.
That's the video, and people are going to believe that stuff.
This is rudimentary.
Dude, when a year from now, I think, maybe two years at most, when you can...
You'll be able to render in real-time video game environments.
Someone's had this for years now in the game Skyrim.
You have companions.
These are characters that follow you around, and they have pre-programmed lines, and you can ask them questions.
They can carry things for you and fight with you.
Someone plugged in where the companions did the GPT API, so you could take a microphone and actually voice-to-text to talk to it.
And it was pretty crummy, rudimentary.
You'd say something, there'd be a pause, and then the character would say, we'll talk back to you, and it seemed like you were talking to a person.
We've talked about this a few years ago, where people are going to have seemingly fully functioning human boyfriends, girlfriends, or otherwise, living in virtual environments.
You can call on the phone.
You'll have an app, you'll take your phone, and you go, hey, what's going on?
And it's your wife.
She's an AI entity that lives in Dragon World, and she's like, oh, today the elves came and traded us some golden fleece.
It was great.
I'm making new armor.
Oh, that's really, really cool.
Well, we can go fight the dragon later when I'm off work.
And then you're going to go home, and you're going to turn PlayStation on, and you're going to be talking to a person that looks like a human being.
This is what's crazy about the AI stuff.
Making video games?
Video games look like video games.
Everyone's in awe over GTA 6 coming out, and they're like, look at how realistic it looks, but it still looks like a video game.
With this, it's over.
Now they're going to be able to just AI render real-looking people, like 4K video, and then who cares about GTA 6?
We're two years away from being able to play a game where you're actually speaking to the person and they're telling you stories and talking to you like literally any other person will talk to you.
So right now Neuralink can read, meaning, The device can interpret signals from their brain and send the data out.
We need to get to the point, or I should phrase that more carefully.
These companies want to get to the point where they can put data into your brain.
But that would require a high degree of AI because everyone's brain is going to be different.
There's a similarity to the structure and function, or I should say to the logic structure.
But the actual physical structure of every person is going to be very different.
Everything's slightly in a different place.
So there's going to be a calibration.
You'll plug in the Neuralink, and the AI will be mapping your brain right now.
And it could take a day.
It'd be like, we need to be plugged in to collect data for a day to figure out where your memory centers are.
After this, you can just click a button and it can input memories into your brain like in the Matrix.
Once we get to read-write capability of Neuralink along with this AI generation stuff...
I'm not trying to be crass.
I am being a little hyperbolic.
Most of them are going to buy it.
Young men are all going to buy it.
And they're going to say, why bother living in this world where I struggle every day when I can have an easier life?
Now, all I've got to do is...
And so what job can I do in the virtual environment that makes enough money to stay in my pod where the cockroach mash is pumped into my stomach, but I live in a reality where I'm a wealthy celebrity, famous actor.
So using your brain in the virtual world, you can do data jobs, you can do production jobs, you can do all sorts of white-collar jobs in a virtual environment.
Your body is in a pod with a tube down your throat and your eyes are closed and you've got a You're a brain in a vat, but you can control your reality to a certain degree.
Some people might say, I don't want to remember nothing.
Nothing, okay?
And make me someone important, like a celebrity.
Other people might be like, no, I want to be the god of my own universe.
And now I remember every verse, every line, word for word.
But I do think, for a lot of conservatives, they're not anti-video game or anti-movie.
They're going to be like, just within reason, okay?
If you're going to play video games in neural space, just don't do it too much.
It'll rot your brain.
Liberals are going to be like, I play 24-7 and I'm on welfare.
But I want to say one last thing because we've got to go.
I believe the non-neural space people should pay a portion of their income to sustain the Neuralink people.
I think it should be law.
I would vote for it.
Everybody who works in physical-based reality must pay a portion of their income to support and pay for people who only want to live in the neural space.
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