Fertility Decline & DESTRUCTION of the American Family w/ Adam Coleman & Will Spencer
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For obvious reasons, there's a story that's been permeating the news quite a bit in the past couple of weeks, past couple of months, and even a couple of years.
And this is the fertility decline around the world, not just the United States.
I think right now they're saying we're at like 1.2.
The fertility rate is getting worse and worse.
And you know what it is?
It's that, well, there's different generations.
And the younger generations coming in are less likely to have kids than the older generation.
So as the older generation ages out...
And they're not having kids.
Fertility is probably a lot lower than people realize.
Because millennial women are largely not having kids.
And Gen Z right now aren't either.
So the fertility rate is being bumped up by the fact that there are still some younger Gen X and older millennials that had kids.
But I'd be willing to bet in the next 10 years, it falls down to like 0.6 or maybe 0.8.
So recently Donald Trump said, why don't we do a baby bonus for women?
You get a bonus of five grand.
And in typical fashion...
The self-destructive left on The View said this was racially motivated.
It was white supremacy.
Trump didn't say he'd give you money for a race, baby.
He just said any baby.
But this is where we're currently at.
It seems like there is an element on the left that is anti-family.
Most of you know this.
They hate kids.
They actually write news articles saying do not have kids because of climate change.
So let's talk about this.
What happens in this country if there is no family?
Why we need family?
Let's talk about family.
We've got a couple gentlemen joining us for this discussion.
Not so much a debate, but why don't you introduce yourself first, sir?
unidentified
Yes, my name is Adam Coleman.
I'm the founder of Wrong Seek Publishing.
I'm also the author of a new book called The Children We Left Behind.
So it's a very appropriate subject for us to talk about.
And I also have a Substack, adambcoleman.substack.com.
I mean, why are we in this very obvious-to-everyone phase where families are broken and people aren't having kids?
unidentified
Well, because families have been broken for quite some time.
I think one area, obviously there's the economic...
Situation where obviously it's difficult for someone who is older Gen Z or even a millennial like myself affording a house.
It's very difficult to.
And not being able to afford to purchase a home kind of slows you down with building a big family, even if you want it to happen.
But I do think there's an element of the millennials, the Gen Zs, they've seen what dysfunction looks like within their own home, and that is scary.
It is scary because they saw mom and dad fighting, or they saw dad not in the home.
They saw constant dysfunction.
And so to them, the idea of marriage and the idea of having children seems like a massive risk.
And it is a fear that they don't want to come anywhere close to because they don't want to repeat what they saw at home.
And often we repeat the behavior that we were surrounded by.
So I do think that that's a big element of fear that is stopping this from happening.
In social media era, we have propaganda.
So we have propaganda that backs up that fear.
Don't do it, and here's why.
And obviously we can point at divorce rates, but these are all things to affirm the fear that people already have.
Someone like myself who wanted to get married, those divorce rate stats, you made me aware, but that's not going to stop me because this is something that I wanted to pursue.
So the people who are on the edge, who are a little bit scared...
The propaganda element is something that is actually slowing them down.
You go before a priest or a judge or however you've done it, and you're swearing an oath.
Now it's just kind of viewed like, we're going steady now.
And then at any point you'd be like, you know what?
I'm not feeling it.
Let's leave.
And so I think no-fault divorce has been a disaster.
I think issues like that have terrified young men.
You do mention the propaganda, but a lot of these young men are just like, there's too many stories where a dude works his whole life, buys a house, builds a family, and then he's 43 and his wife says, I'm leaving you, takes the kids and kicks him out.
And now he's bachelor, dishonored, shamed, with no access to his kids.
And so there's a lot of young guys being like, man, better to be single?
And traveling around and doing whatever you want, then find yourself in that circumstance.
I'm curious what you guys, what do you think about this?
unidentified
Well, I think anything good in life takes risk, right?
And that includes relationships.
But I also think that a lot of young men, especially someone like myself, where I grew up without my father, I didn't know how to pick a woman.
I didn't have a father or even like a household relationship to mimic.
It's very easy to end up with women, yet still sleep with you, yet still meet.
They'll make babies with you and they'll live in the house that you provide for them.
But are they women of character?
Do they actually want the things that you want?
Or are you just marrying the first woman who slept with you for a long time?
And often, I've listened to...
Obviously, there are legitimate stories.
These guys are great guys.
And the woman's doing X, Y, and Z. Anytime I make a mistake, I try to look at, all right, but what's my part?
Where is the red flag?
Because in all these situations, there's some sort of red flag.
And if you find out...
If I find out that in your story, well, she used to be a stripper.
And I was like, well, that's very high risk.
Don't be mad that this is the outcome that you got.
There's usually something that they overlooked because they didn't know.
Not that these men are bad.
They didn't know what to look for in a quality woman.
And in many ways, for some women, they don't know what to look for in a quality man.
So there's a demonstration of what a healthy relationship looks like.
That they were lacking because they didn't see it at home.
And honestly, for a lot of these guys who really fixated on Manosphere Red Pill type of content, the good content that comes from the Manosphere Red Pill is actually stuff that your father would have told you.
The true stuff.
Yeah, the true stuff.
Like what?
Well, for one, confidence is incredibly important, right?
Not to chase women, although some of these guys tell you to chase women or at least to buy women.
So it really depends on who you go towards.
But the good stuff is build up yourself and the women will follow.
You know what I find fascinating is that Western civilization, which many of these guys purport to love, not all of them, but a lot of guys in the United States view the West as inherently superior.
It's completely built upon monogamy and a family-based moral tradition.
I don't understand how you simultaneously have some of these red pill guys that are saying bang as many women as possible and don't get married while also trying to argue that we should be upholding and defending the values of the West.
unidentified
Right.
Because they're existing in a post-sexual revolution.
I don't know.
You can't be sober during that process.
You have no idea who you're actually going to end up married to.
And then you end up married and you discover that they're not who you thought they were after six months of romantic intoxication.
No, you have to stay sober through that process until the very end so that you make sure that when you're making a covenant, a binding commitment to this woman or this man, that you really know who they are.
So they've done this research that when a woman gets off birth control, the man smells different to her, and she may not like it.
So if you're a guy...
And you're living in New York, Chicago, LA, Boston, some big city.
And you're 20 years old and you meet a woman for the first time at 20. Likely she will be on birth control.
And I'm not saying she shouldn't be.
There's anything wrong with that.
I'm saying you both should understand what's going to happen if she comes off of that.
If you're going to start a long-term relationship, she's probably stopped taking birth control so that you can understand whether or not there's actual compatibility.
But the bigger issue, I think, with this is that relationships throughout the past several...
Thousand years.
Probably longer, but you grew up in the same way as your spouse.
Now I think one of the big problems is you're going to be from New York.
You're going to go to school in Boston.
You are 20 years old, meaning you were an adult already, and you meet a woman and your lives are completely different.
You're from an inland area where you grew up in the woods and the mountains.
She's from the coast where she went boating.
You have very little in common, but college.
Now you're at college, you have similar professors, and so your lives, just for this moment, are near each other.
And you're having conversations, and you're talking about, oh man, school yesterday, you know, the class yesterday, and the professor, he was so dumb.
And then there's a concert, we're going to go do that.
And your similar interests find this point of inflection.
And then when you leave college, let's say you stay together, you decide to get married, all of a sudden now, you're the person who wants to go for a hike.
She wants to go for a boat ride.
You have completely different expectations and worldviews.
So I think one of the challenges we're facing with family today is that you go back 100 years.
You both grew up in an agrarian culture.
You both grew up working on farms.
You both expected your spouse to be like your parents or your neighbors.
And so your wife is like, I want to tend to the kids and cook dinner and make food and take care of some animals while you go hunt.
And then maybe you're a blacksmith or something.
And the guy says, that's perfect.
This is the greatest thing I've ever heard of.
You get married and you have the exact same expectations, moral values, commitments, and views on oaths.
I don't know how you repair that.
unidentified
I mean, you go local, ultimately.
And there's an important element to what you said, that your parents in that scenario, in that small-town scenario, they know each other.
So her parents have seen you grow up since you were a little kid.
Your parents have seen her grow up.
And so it's not just two individuals choosing to come together.
It's actually two families that are merging each other.
And that creates such a stronger structure around the married couple that we just don't have.
And to continue from the example that you provided...
This couple comes together in college, they get married, and then they're still on their own in the city.
And so if they want to try and build a traditional life in the city, they have people living sort of a more modern lifestyle, so the pressures away from the traditional life are enormous in the cities.
You could probably go back to the 1800s and some of the liberal values.
They flowered in the 1960s, but the process was underway long before then, particularly in the 1950s, like the Kinsey Report was a huge deal that we don't hear about today.
You get mass media through radio and TV, and they tell you great stories of beautiful people.
And so for both men and women, and I think this is much more likely to affect women.
They see the men around them in their communities, and these are good, normal, hardworking, working-class guys, and then they see on the TV Brad Pitt, and they're told that there are better men than this.
All of a sudden, their view of what is a 10 and what is a 1 skews in a ridiculous way, where the 10 is going to be the multi-millionaire playboy philanthropist and the working-class guy is a 4. Hey, you know, he's a good-looking dude or whatever,
but what, he makes 40k a year and he works in a mechanic shop or something like that?
No, no, no.
The real opportunity is out there somewhere else.
So instead of finding your community member and neighbor who's of a similar situation to you, people will...
Look for their fictional other.
For guys, now what are we seeing?
I can sit here and say, oh, women want the celebrity man or whatever.
Sure, but guys are getting robots.
Yeah, it's creepy.
They're using AI apps and they're going to start buying Androids.
They're going to be like, this is easy.
And I worry too with the AI advent, which I talk about quite a bit.
People are going to plug their brains into the computer and be like, I don't need anyone.
unidentified
Well, in that example, you're talking about this idea that men are just...
To be pay pigs within a relationship.
And his value is basically only what he can provide financially.
And the detrimental part about that viewpoint is that, well, what if he becomes the father of your child and you still have that mentality?
So then the father becomes optional.
And so it's already bad enough that you think men are optional, but now you think fathers are optional.
So if he loses his job, he is of no value.
And if you can work and make more than him, then what is he there for?
Because he must not provide any sort of value to this child.
So I think it's this complete reduction as far as what men are for, but also what fathers are for, and how much benefit we have for our kids.
And I think in my circumstance, I really saw how it affected me not having my father, but even more so when I became a father.
My son's 19 now.
When I became a father, and as he got older, I saw how much farther my son was versus when I was his age, because he could always go to me.
You know, when he would mess up, I'd be like, it's okay, right?
I didn't have that.
My mom, you know, I love my mom, but she was busy.
She was working.
And on top of that, I didn't have a man to relate to, to kind of give me like, not to cry with me, but to be like, get up, you'll be fine.
It's okay.
Everyone makes mistakes.
I've made that mistake.
So having that element missing, like there's so much male compassion that's missing from families only because, well, he doesn't make enough.
What is he here for?
He's a headache, right?
There's no willingness to have that man around because he's optional.
But the mentalities and the hormone drives of men and women are very, very different.
I feel like technology is going to cater to those hormonal desires and split men and women into different areas where they'll probably just isolate.
unidentified
Yeah.
I think there's very little, again, there's very little societal incentive for marriage and family, and that's why this Trump baby bonus.
Now, I think it was Joel Berry from the Babylon Bee who said he would like that better, and I agree with him, if it were incentivizing married women to have children instead of single women.
I think that would be much better than just incentivizing the childbirth.
But I think once you start re-incentivizing, re-glorifying, and re-honoring the marriage bond and the family and the home, you'll see a much bigger shift.
I would like to see people incentivized to have children for more than economic reasons, though.
I would like to see children as a blessing from the Lord.
I would like them to see fruitfulness and family as things to be celebrated for what they are.
This is a good short-term measure, but unless we reevaluate what family is and the meaning of home, I don't think it'll ultimately have the long-term effects we want it to.
I do think, in the long run, this will be a self-correcting problem.
Yes.
Conservatives select for – let's just say this.
Conservatives tend to be substantially higher rates of Christianity.
Being Christian doesn't actually mean someone's really a Christian.
But there is still a higher tendency towards this.
So I do think you're going to find a minority of the population that are actually adherent to their faith.
That being said, those that are are more likely to have more kids, not get divorced, raise stronger and better kids.
And so, I mean, if we look at the problem now, we might just say, I don't know, in 40 years it kind of corrected itself?
unidentified
Yes.
I mean, ideally, right?
I mean, the AI revolution may have something to say about that, this particular moment, but you look at conservative Christian families that believe, again, that children are a blessing from the Lord, so they have six, eight, nine kids, right?
And then you see that spread out through the years.
So my fiancée, she's one of eight siblings.
You have 16 married people in that family, 25 kids.
But it's so beautiful to see versus the family that I come from, which is significantly smaller and shrinking.
you know, my own life as a testimony to, you see children as a blessing from the Lord, you see fruitfulness that spreads out and you solve the problem over time.
And families that don't believe that tend to shrink.
Indeed. Well, I could be absolutely wrong about this, but are we overreacting when it comes to fertility rates?
I mean, it's not to say that fertility rates aren't going down, but the necessity to keep it at a certain level.
Because part of me thinks that America hasn't always had 330 million people living in it, right?
Give or take, who knows about illegal aliens, right?
But America has always been at this size.
Yet somehow our society function.
I always feel like humans are adaptable.
And so if there are less people, then our society adjusts.
So this idea that we must maintain the same size, and if people are making different choices, we live in a free society.
If people don't want to have kids, matter of fact, as much as I am pro-child, if you don't want kids, please don't make kids.
Like, the last thing we need is more parents who don't want children.
Don't do that to kids.
But if we have a society where they don't want kids, and there's less of it, well then...
Wouldn't our society just adjust to less people?
And on top of that, we were just going on about AI.
Well, AI is going to take certain jobs that existed before that don't exist anymore.
In the same way, we don't have horse and buggy.
We have all these different advancements where we don't need manpower in specific ways, and it shifts.
He's got heating and air conditioning for his building.
Fixed cost.
With less people in the town to work those jobs...
The demand is high and the supply is low, so the costs go even higher.
This will create an economic collapse.
The fixed cost of infrastructure that was built up in cities will not go down.
And so when the population declines, maintaining urban infrastructure will become extremely much, much more expensive as the cost of that infrastructure is divvied up among less people.
The terrifying thing, then, is if we face a true population decline in a city like New York, you get to the point where skyscrapers and bridges start falling down.
And I'm half kidding, but not really.
I should say, I'm being a bit hyperbolic is a better way to phrase it.
But these buildings require maintenance, and if you can't get someone to do the work, then literally just won't happen.
So when you look at these skyscrapers, they'll start to decay.
Eventually a window will fall off and slam into the ground.
Bits and pieces will start breaking apart.
People will then flee those areas.
This is what we can expect with population decline.
Additionally, with population decline, you will get a lack of specialty jobs, which will result in a recession of technology.
It'll be much more difficult to get a computer.
They'll be only for the wealthiest individuals because the amount of specialists you need to be trained in one very specific thing for a computer is high.
And the more people you have and the more specialties you can develop, the more technology you can make.
That's why Elon Musk is so freaked out about the declining fertility rate.
So, if we were to, like, see a massive decline in fertility, like, we're looking at, I think, 1.2 right now.
So, what's the projection?
In 50, 100 years, our population's cut in half.
There's not going to be a lot of luxury.
People are going to have to rely more on themselves.
A lot of this is actually pretty good.
But, the...
The people who are in favor of depopulation say, we retain the knowledge of technological advancement, but get rid of the excess, the lazy, the bottom feeders, and only the strongest survive, and it's a natural ebb and flow that people believe that.
Terrible.
Yep.
Well, the argument is, whether you want it to be true or not, liberals are doing drugs, they're not having children, they're doing meaningless tedium work, and they're happy to do it.
Chelsea Handler famously was like, I wake up at 6am, do drugs and masturbate, who cares?
What does she contribute?
Is she making food?
No.
It's just excess.
I don't know or care what she does, but it's a fact.
She and her worldview will cease to exist with her.
unidentified
Yes.
I think that there's going to be consequences before then as well, because children are how we, they extend our time horizon.
So if we don't have children, we're living just for the next, say, five to ten years of our lives and trying not to think about old age, right?
As soon as you start having children, you see yourself in them as they grow up and grow older, and then you see yourself in grandchildren.
So your time horizon for your life extends and it gives you a reason to invest in the future And so if you're not taking that step then you're thinking about your own son's pleasures you're getting up and you're masturbating and
And so I think the fertility crisis is actually a crisis of moral value,
a crisis of life meaning, and that'll have consequences throughout our society very soon for those who don't rise to the challenge.
I had a wonderful magical moment that I know many of you listening have experienced when my wife and my daughter, she's got her on the ground with my mother-in-law.
On the phone with her mother.
So great-grandma, grandma, mom, and baby.
Four generations all in there giggling and laughing with each other.
They're having their kids younger and they're having more.
I think...
I don't see...
This is probably why Democrats are pushing so hard on the illegal immigration thing.
They cannot replace their worldview.
It's gone.
And with the sentiments in this country on illegal immigration...
I hate to be crass, but it's a self-correcting problem, isn't it?
unidentified
Ultimately, the math all went out.
The question is, what kind of devastation will we experience until the problem corrects itself?
Yeah.
Well, I do think that, because we were talking about Trump and credit and all these different things, but I do think it's incredibly important for us to shift the culture.
We have to talk about, yes, are things getting more expensive?
Yes, of course.
But listen, broke people have children too.
They just do.
And they find value in having children.
And maybe you don't need this.
And there are legitimate situations where maybe you just don't need these things.
There's a value in having a child.
You just named a moment where you have multiple generations on the phone.
You can't put a price tag on that.
It is something that is natural.
It is beautiful to experience.
I don't care how much tax credit you give.
You can't replace that with $5,000.
So I do think that we have to talk about it as far as the culture, the immediate going to, oh, children are a drain, children are this, and this remixing children as being by virtue of someone else creating them.
They didn't ask to be here.
Somehow you blame them for draining you, right?
And that's what I kind of talk about in my book, this element of selfishness, this element of...
I don't want to sacrifice, right?
Because once you become a parent, you have to sacrifice for someone who cannot do for themselves.
That's what the children, they are unable to do that.
Your child can't get in a car, go somewhere, get a job, and take care of themselves.
You have to do that.
So it means you have to sacrifice time and effort and money.
But there is something absolutely wonderful about that.
The best time I ever had when it came to raising my son was his first year.
His mother went back to work.
I worked overnights.
I would pick him up right after work, and I would watch him all day.
I would get like three hours of sleep.
And I was exhausted.
I would take days off just so I could sleep.
But it was the best time, because I got to watch my son grow up.
Even though I was exhausted, I would take a nap when he took a nap.
And I can't replace that, and it built a bond.
Like, you can't offer me money.
son and remember men aren't men don't care about raising children remember that's part of the culture no there's something absolutely beautiful about that being next to my son every day changing his diapers feeding him watching him grow tickling him watching him laugh there is so much
wonder and beauty in this in this particular act as far as being a father that we do not talk enough about
They work out, they get ripped, and they say, you gotta bang all these women, screw that.
They're talking about having as many girls as you can, and women are bad, so...
And I'm just like, you know, throughout history, men have been...
The men who built Western civilization and succeeded were the men willing to throw themselves on the grenade.
They were the men who were willing to sacrifice themselves for the world they believed in.
Some of these men were the ones who yelled, deus wult.
We're in the Crusades.
And as much to the Christians who may not want to hear this, even the Islamic jihadis, these were men who were fighting and dying because they were like, you must live the way I demand it.
There was a demand.
Now we've got a lot of guys who are like, I don't want to deal with hardship, so I refuse to.
And I'm like, okay, that's like, you're a pussy, dude.
And I'm using that word intentionally to insult them.
Look, guys today that we value and honor are the ones who run into a burning building and die.
They're the first responders who run into the towers on 9-11, trying to save as many people as possible, and then the buildings collapse on them.
They're the men and women who enlist to go serve our country and our interests and protect our interests, even if bad people are in politics.
It's about the service and duty to this country.
And then there's this sphere of influence where guys are like, You know what, guys?
You're mistreated and feminists are bad, so you should not be an honorable man or a man of virtue.
You should be as degenerate and mean-spirited as they are so that you can experience pleasure.
That's really what it is.
And maybe I'm being a little bit crass, but a lot of these guys are basically saying, don't suffer.
You should just have whatever you want.
Don't let them take it from you.
And I'm just like, I don't know.
I always thought being a man was...
You're born in the dirt.
You're stepped on.
You're treated like crap.
You're spit on.
And by the time you're a man, you're carved out of stone.
And you are unfazed by the trivialities of the world.
But now we have a lot of young men being influenced by guys who look like they're carved out of stone, but they're wads of cookie dough.
They've never actually fought.
They've never gone through hardship.
They've never been homeless.
They've never been trounced upon or disrespected.
And I'm not saying all of them.
I'm saying some of these guys are acting like they happen when they're not.
unidentified
One of the things, I like to draw a distinction between gravitas versus bravado.
Bravado is big, it's flashy, right?
You can put bravado on a credit card.
You can get a flashy car and you can get a big house and you can act the part, right?
But those men typically have very weak spines.
A man who has gravitas creates a sense of gravity around him that's based on overcoming suffering.
And he doesn't need to announce himself.
He doesn't need to be flashy.
He can just walk into a room and...
somehow orient towards that man.
That's a man who has righteously overcome suffering.
And one of the things I wanted to say about the first responders is men are naturally drawn to seek glory.
And of course, being a first responder, being a soldier, rushing into the buildings on 9-11, things like that are naturally very glorious.
But we've lost a sense of the glory of righteous fatherhood.
We don't honor fathers in the way that we once did in our society.
And there can be something equally glorious about a father having kids, having, say, eight kids, whatever, when he starts at age 20, and faithfully works a blue-collar job to support his family so his kids grow up and have even more kids than he did.
And being that man who plants himself like a tree and supports the growth of all of that, that is as glorious as running into a building on 9-11, not to take anything away from that.
But we've lost the sense of honoring that.
And so if we can bring back the sense of I think a lot of this stuff will get fixed.
They lock themselves in their bedrooms and play video games all day and do nothing.
And we've got that problem, too.
So if their fathers aren't teaching them, you know, what do we do as a society?
Or is the answer really just a bit cynical?
We wait.
And conservatives who do teach their kids will just out-reproduce them?
It's a sad prospect.
unidentified
Well, I think it's twofold.
I say kind of quick fathers.
But we need...
I think we have a lot of avoidant men that exist.
We also have a lot of weak men who let the mothers take over the role of the father as well, even if they're in the household.
So they cave in.
They allow the child to do the thing that they want to do, right?
Because, well, it's a lot easier to just make my child my friend and just give them the thing that they want, but it's not the thing that they need.
They need to get up.
learn these things.
They need to have responsibility.
They need to learn to sacrifice.
So I do think that the fathers, it's not just enough for them to be there.
It's not just enough for them to go to work.
They have to be actively involved in their child's life.
And I would venture to say that that young man that went from the age of 17 into the mid-20s, stuck at home playing video games, is a young man who is depressed.
I view video games as, I'll put it this way, if I could skateboard every single day for eight hours, I would, but your body breaks down.
You have to rest.
You can't, right, so you need days off.
Well then, on a day that I can't, because it's a rest day, what do I do to rest and then put my mind in a different space?
Video games are for when you have no choice but to slow down and rest, otherwise you're going to burn yourself out.
Not something you should be doing 24-7, where instead you burn yourself out on video games.
To be fair though, I have respect for pro gamers who create an entertaining job for people and work really hard at their craft and take care of themselves.
That's totally fine.
But for the people who are doing – the issue I find with video games as opposed to any other sport is that if you're doing a sport as a hobby and not a career, you're in shape.
You're going to be healthy.
You're going to live longer.
You're going to be sharper.
But if you're doing video games all day and nothing else, your mind might – your dexterity might be pretty good.
And your mind might be quicker in some respects, but without the physical activity, you're going to be weak, out of shape, and it's going to be hard for you, and you will get depressed.
As we know, one of the easiest ways to cure your average depression, not like serious defective depression, is just exercise.
You go for a run, you get a dopamine release, and you feel really good.
And they say, for people who are depressed, you need to start exercising.
And I think for a lot of guys, that's probably it.
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That's a good start.
Yeah.
So I think the trick here is...
How do we properly motivate?
Motivate men.
Now, I'm like you.
I came to a lot of this stuff later in my life, and I don't want to come off like, well, Will is the authority about all this stuff.
My authority is God's word, and God says to be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth and subdue it.
Do we believe that that is good and just and righteous and beautiful and glorious?
Do we believe that?
Because if we really believe that as both men and women, then we will obey that and we will discover the blessings of that.
If we want to say, ah, I don't know, I don't think that that's so good, then you're not going to find the right way to motivate people.
You can incentivize people with social.
You know, you can put them on the cover of a magazine, but ultimately, unless you believe in your core that being a father, being a mother, having a family is glorifying in the grandest way.
I don't think you're going to have the strength to get through it, especially not today, because our entire world is set up for single people and incentivizes single people.
It's an uphill battle.
You will be swimming upstream if you want to be a righteous and a godly husband and a father.
And so what will sustain you through those challenges?
You have to do it for some reason bigger than yourself.
And doing it for Western civilization, I don't think even that's big enough.
It's hard to get a single individual to change their life for a society that's broken.
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Yes.
And no.
Yes and no.
Because when you can show them a picture of something that's so much more beautiful than anything they could have imagined and you inspire them with a vision, that can get them to change.
I think there's a longing that's built into every human heart to want that.
And I think it's been buried, and I think it's been suppressed, and I think it's been shamed, and I think you have institutes like The View that are doing that.
But ultimately, I think it's part of us as a being.
And if you can awaken that in somebody, I think you can find them change very, very
And it's because they're either emotionally blocked from understanding this.
They say, I can't remember which prominent liberal said it recently, that Trump has bankrupted all of his businesses, they said.
It's flat out not true.
I think Trump's had five prominent bankruptcies out of 500 companies.
They say things like, whatever happened to Trump Magazine or Trump Steaks or Trump Water?
Those went under.
No, actually, those are from his restaurants and his hotels.
He makes those products internally for his hospitality.
You own a hotel?
Source your own beef.
Save money.
They can't comprehend this.
They either have Trump derangement syndrome or they can't understand that actually bankruptcy isn't failure and Trump probably failed more times than you can count.
People who succeed view failure very differently than these people who are complaining about it.
I suppose you can view rejection that way in any capacity from a job or from a woman or a man.
Guys who have successful relationships are probably like, oh yeah, I asked out like 50 women over the past couple of years and those dates all went poorly and most of them told me no, they weren't interested.
The ones that did, they didn't work out and then I found my wife.
Then there are people who are like, you got rejected?
That's the worst thing.
You get rejected all the time.
And it's like, well, yeah, 90% is going to be failure.
But when you find your success, you will.
I think a lot of people are scared of failure because they think you lose when you fail as opposed to you become stronger when you fail.
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Well, that's also the...
And we were dealing with this in 2020, the victim mentality that exists.
Woe is me.
I don't have this because people from generations ago were treated badly.
So that's why I haven't succeeded, which is nonsense, right?
And just like what you said, the example of bad relationship, bad relationship.
Oh, I found my wife.
I got married.
That's literally my story.
So, you know, I'm getting married later in life, finding the right person that I want to be with for the rest of my life.
But there's so much to learn from failure.
Most of the things that I've improved on in life was because I failed at something or I've used those failures to help other people.
So there's different ways that you can view these things.
So either you can say, well, I failed.
And so...
Why try?
I'm going to give up.
Or you can say, I failed, but you know what?
Here's what I could have done better, and next time I'm going to do it better.
Becoming 100%, and I had at times in my life a victim mentality, admittingly, but the moment I said, I'm going to be accountable for 100% of what I, where my hand touched on whatever was going on,
that's when my life changed.
So if I, just make up something, if I get fired from my job, I don't want to automatically say, well, my boss is a jerk.
That's why I got fired.
It's like, all right, well, my boss might be a jerk, but what could I have done that was better?
So next time, I don't get fired from my job.
You touched on something really important, which I think is integrity.
And I think how a man responds to failure.
Depends a lot on whether he conducted his campaign with integrity.
Because if you did absolutely everything that you can, right?
You worked 16-hour days, you kicked over every rock, you did absolutely everything you could, and circumstances didn't fall your way.
It's like, well, okay, well, you can't control everything.
Let me apply that same work ethic to the next thing.
But if you cut corners and you try and take shortcuts, and then things don't work out, it's actually, I think, what people feel.
It's an incrimination on them.
Like, oh, I failed because I'm bad.
Well, yeah, you kind of do.
didn't do it the way that you were supposed to.
But if you showed up every day with 100% work ethic and it doesn't work out, then you take that work ethic and you apply it again, and then you will see it succeed at some point, and that muscle
And this means that you will do everything in your power.
You will follow your ideas and you will lose.
And you'll be an 80-year-old man.
You'll be sitting there in your own filth thinking, I'm a loser.
That's reality.
That's a possibility for everybody.
This idea that I'm scared of being a loser so I'll do nothing, well then you skipped the course and you're a loser now.
Then there's the idea of, yeah, but if I work really, really hard and it fails, I'll be a loser.
Yeah, you've skipped the course and you're there now.
This is life.
There is no guarantee that your ideas will work.
There's no guarantee that even if you have the greatest idea ever, that people will want to listen to you.
You can be the greatest salesperson with the greatest idea.
And you know in your heart of hearts that your methodology for insert technology, insert politics is the right way to do things.
And you may end up 80 years old with a litany of written works that no one ever bought and then you die.
And you know what?
That's happened to a lot of people.
And we don't know their names.
We don't know who they are.
Some of these people, they died.
And then 50 years later, someone found their book and said, this guy's a genius.
Or they saw their painting and said, wow, these are the greatest paintings I've ever seen.
And the dude died in the poorhouse.
He thought he a loser his whole life.
Humanity struggles and advances on the fact that some people win and some people lose.
There are iterations of everything being attempted at all times that we can fathom.
And only a small handful succeed and find the path forward.
Everybody is trying to seek that path through the forest to the other side.
And you know what?
A lot of people don't.
A better way to explain it historically?
When the colonists from Europe were coming to the New World in the earliest of days, the pilgrims, they knew that what I believe 30% on that ship would die.
And they were told, we're going to go on this boat.
We got enough food to make it there.
We get caught by a storm and we lose time.
Eh, a third of everyone here will die.
You'll be dead.
So we're counting on some of you dying.
Like, we don't want it to happen.
In fact, in some circumstances, they actually stored food knowing that within three months, There would be dead people, so they didn't actually need enough food for everybody on the ship, because nothing could be done about that.
They'd say, it is a fact that 10 people are going to die.
We don't know which 10, so we don't actually need food for 30 people.
We need food for 25. They still got in that boat.
And then they died.
And there were people who were in this country, when the country was being formed, and they said, we're going to head west.
We're going to find land.
And they were told, yep.
Half of you are going to die.
And they went, okay, let's roll, baby.
It's kind of crazy that that's how humans used to be.
Not everybody.
Some people stayed back in Europe and they said it's crowded, it's cramped, the government's brutal, we suffer, but it's safe.
That's a choice you can take if you want to take it.
Then there are the great adventurers and they try.
And you know what?
We don't know.
We never talk about the names of the people who tried to settle the new world who didn't.
Because they died.
They never made it.
Or they got here and starved to death.
It's remarkable to me to think that there were men and women and children who decided to get on a ship and head somewhere they'd never seen on a three-month journey across the Atlantic.
And the natives did not want them there.
Yeah.
And this is actually why we have Thanksgiving because some of them were saved.
So that's the mentality I see.
This is a country, and it's not just this country, that's just one history, but all over the world there are stories of this.
So for these young people, men and women, I think the important lesson is you might be the person on the Mayflower who died.
There's nothing wrong with that.
I mean, we don't want you to die.
We don't want that to be the case, but it is a reality of the world that if a hundred people all set out on an adventure to try and solve some great problem, Only a small handful are going to succeed.
Which one will you be?
Maybe by no fault of your own.
Let's say we're trying to chart a course, an effective path from Tennessee to Oregon.
And a hundred people go out on a journey.
And there's one guy who's the bravest, he's the smartest, he's fit, he's wealthy, and everybody says he's going to make it.
And then he decides to go on one river, which turns into a rapid, and through...
In fact, what you see is a lot of these billionaires, like James Cameron goes to the bottom of the ocean, Jeff Bezos is going into space, all these billionaires are trying to, Elon Musk wants to go to Mars, right?
So they're trying to recreate these kind of Mayflower-esque journeys.
You know, maybe they're fool's errands, who knows.
But what's the Mayflower-esque journey that a man can go on today?
It's to be a father.
In a very real sense, like that is the ocean that you have to cross to establish that new world.
That's what we're talking about here.
How are we going to get from where we are now, you know, with declining fertility, etc., to where we want to be?
And the way that we do that is through the family.
And that is the great adventure to go on.
Maybe not every man is going to make it, but the commitment to the journey is what really matters.
Yeah.
And I think throughout many of these examples, we're talking about people who are willing...
To make their purpose about sacrificing for something.
Something more than themselves.
And I think that is a really, really big part.
So why would they willingly risk their lives to either help somebody else or to have this hypothetical, maybe in the future we discover something.
Why would they do that?
It's because, well, the sacrifice is greater than me.
And I think that is something that...
If I'm to speak like in the Christian faith, right, is to sacrifice for someone that is greater than yourself, the higher authority.
But it's this constant element of sacrifice and love, including sacrifice.
And our relationships have devolved.
And we are not talking about love.
We're talking about finding a girlfriend.
We're not talking about sacrificing for someone.
That element of sacrifice is missing.
And when it's missing, when you get into that relationship, it's also going to be missing when you try to raise that child.
If you've just lived your life just to do the thing that you've only wanted to do and for nobody else, you've lived an ultimate selfish lifestyle.
You don't have the muscle of sacrificing for anything.
And now you have a child that enters this world.
Are you going to give up yourself for someone else?
That's a really hard thing for a lot of people, and many of them don't do it, or they act like they're doing it, but they make excuses for certain moments to do the thing they actually want to do.
Yeah, I mean, pleasure-seeking is so easy right now.
We live in an age of infinite distractions.
A moment is slightly uncomfortable, we go straight to our phones, or you can go to the liquor store, or you can go to a nightclub, or you can do a thousand different things.
The notion of pouring ourselves into something larger than us, that is a lifelong commitment, is a lot of people are scared.
We have people who have jobs for two years and they change to a new place, they move to a new town.
Everything is set up for impermanence, but a child is permanent.
We've been talking about this quite a bit as well, but technology...
I've been talking about AI quite a bit.
I don't think people truly understand how devastating AI is going to be very rapidly.
But technology in general is reshaping everything.
So as we mentioned with video games, what we're seeing is technology is chasing after self-gratification.
And so for a lot of young people...
They are being offered up the means to trigger the dopamine release in their brain in absurd ways.
Video games, obviously, is a big one, but also porn and other distractions.
You have an endless stream of entertaining content that pulls you away from the real world and tells you to sit at home, stay on your couch, and binge.
Used to be, well, we had three channels, and there were a handful of shows, and they came out with an episode once a week.
So there's no binging.
It was, if you liked the show, you watched it, and if you didn't, you didn't.
So you'd come home from work and you'd watch TV with the family, maybe.
Even then, it was getting a little bad.
Now, I mean, how many streaming services are there?
You know, I mean, and now with the AI revolution coming, you will be able to just AI generate new shows.
It will be an endless stream of mind, of hypnotizing, draining content that pulls you away from the real world.
Once again, I guess I can just say self-correcting problem.
It is most likely that Christian conservatives, due to internal moral faith-based reasons, will avoid these things.
And your average urban liberal or...
Even a moderate conservative will walk right into it, and then what?
After a certain period of time, they just don't exist anymore?
the product becomes an untenable product because conservatives don't want it?
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Well, the part about all of this that worries me is the isolation.
You know, solitary confinement is often described as torture, right?
But now we're trying to entertain people while they're torturing themselves.
You know, human connection, we are
Relational creatures.
And avoiding relationships, in-person relationships, is ultimately slowly torturing ourselves.
We are not getting better, we are getting worse, but we have the facade of connection through Twitter, through Facebook, through all of these different means, through technology.
It is a simulation of human nature, but it is not the real thing.
It's like...
It's going towards, like, aspartame instead of real sugar, you know?
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So one of the issues that I think is we will be forced to adopt Neuralink technology and AI technology the same way we're forced to adopt cell phones.
A company will start using this service because it's easier, and then you will resist buying it.
We talked about this last night with Neuralink, for instance.
AI is going to allow us to rapidly advance technologies, map out new inventions, and we will come to the point where, You will put on the Neuralink headset, connect to your brain, and then it will input into your brain the sensation of being in an office, and you will instantly experience a virtual reality that's indistinguishable.
But now we can all sit here and say, I don't want it.
I prefer the real world.
But what happens then when your company gets a call?
You get a sales rep who says, hey, there's a company that wants to buy a large amount of product from your company.
They're wondering if they can hop on a Neuralink with you.
And you go, I don't have Neuralink, and I don't do that.
That's the only way they do calls.
They want to meet you face-to-face in the neural space.
And you go, well, I don't do that.
And they say, okay, deal's off.
Then some young guy goes, I'll take a deal.
I got a new company.
I just started it, and we'll take a Neuralink with anybody.
Puts the headset on, goes to them, $100,000 contract.
Your company loses it, their company gets it.
So you may still resist, but then your company goes out of business and is easily replaced by the company that then goes to your employees and says, guys, The job in the manufacturing space still exists, but you've got to use Neuralink if you want to work here.
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I think that there are a couple examples that can provide some hope for why that might not be the case.
I mean, we look at the failure of the vaccine mandates to have the impact that they intended it to.
That ultimately failed because a significant percentage of Americans, many of them Christian conservatives, said, yeah, no, I'm not doing that.
And I think that we're also talking about...
Christian conservative families being more prolific in their children than more liberals.
And so I think as a mathematical question, we could say, like, they are likely to say, like, no, we have a theology of the body that says I'm not going to place anything inside my body that's controlled by someone else's technology.
They can iterate on the language of that.
But they'll say, like, no, I'm not going to do that.
And I think ultimately people will find, and we see this kind of today, and I don't mean to sound polished, It doesn't need to go in your brain.
Or like on my head.
I mean, ultimately that's the push, right?
The push is like where we're gonna go from phones to wrist bound devices to something that chip in the wrist.
So you can buy, we did this 15 years ago, me and my buddy, we bought an electroencephalogram.
It's a headset you can buy off the internet for $100, and it reads your brainwaves.
You can then think and control a cursor on a screen.
And so there was an x-axis and a y-axis.
I never figured it out.
Me and my buddy, we tried it once.
But my buddy's sister put it on and instantly could move one line up and down and we were like, whoa.
You could theoretically use it to control a drone.
So we were actually trying to figure out how to do that because then you could put a headset on and control the drone with your mind.
The technology that we'll end up seeing is going to be just like a cell phone.
It's going to be like you put on a headset and it's going to read right to your brain.
And so the point I bring up is certainly many conservatives will say no.
A lot of older folks don't have cell phones either and they don't want them.
But society will dictate.
Society is going to, like I already described, there's going to be, right now with the remote work generation, this mass amount of people that feel they shouldn't have to come into the office, there's whole communities with millions of followers dedicated to remote work.
I think it's horrible.
But what happens then, when the company says, you can work remote, just put on your Neuralink, and then we do our work in the Neural office.
Here's what else that does.
A company won't need to rent office space for meetings anymore.
They'll say, physical space is expensive, so we just do neural meetings.
You put on your headset, you sit down, and then instantly, you are experiencing, written to your brain, as if you are in a room with all your coworkers in an office.
There's video games, there's pizza, you're in a massive building, you can look out the window and it looks like you're in San Francisco.
People were transmitting their thoughts into a robot body to live their lives for them.
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Like Avatar?
Right, yes.
As much as you're saying that, part of me wants to be like, I'm naturally optimistic, but I'm kind of with you.
I think we're obsessed with convenience.
And I say this as someone who's worked in IT.
I like technology.
I work with it.
But I'm also scared of it because I've worked with it.
And I understand how humans, especially in a prosperous society like ours, we want the next great thing.
We want the next thing that makes it a little bit easier.
You know, the getting up to go and touch the TV to change the channel gets replaced with the remote, gets replaced with your cell phone, like everything just...
Is there a place with not even looking at the TV because you're looking at your phone?
Right.
Now you can talk to your TV.
It's just the level of constant convenience, constantly increasing that and finding the next thing.
And obviously there's a profit model based on new technologies and things like that.
I think you're probably right, Tim.
I think we're going to go in that direction.
And I do think that there are more people who are going to adapt to it.
And the people who don't adapt to it will die off.
There were cheeseburgers manifesting out of thin air and they'd sit there for a minute, disappear but then manifest again.
And if you ate it, you got the nutrients of the cheeseburger or whatever perfect food.
Humans would be doughy and would never work out.
But humans needed to farm and work hard and struggle to survive.
And now that we've made life easier, if we don't do those things, we actually get sick.
We need exercise.
We have to constantly be working.
So we simulate the struggles of survival to maintain our bodies.
What happens when AI rolls out with these neural spaces?
AI has taken over every job.
Humans have infinite food and have no reason to do anything.
We're going to put ourselves into fake universes to simulate hardship because we need the conflict to survive.
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I think...
I'm trying to think about this in theological categories, and I'm thinking that if we're willing to sacrifice our humanity for the efficiency of the machine, which is now what's driving the state and the marketplace, if we're willing to say, "You know what?
Efficiency, pragmatism, all of these things are worth more than the experience of humanity," whether it be physical hardship in the world, face-to-face meetings, the ability to talk
I don't think so.
I think something in us will...
And I think we need a re-evaluation of the individual worth of a human life.
Humans are made in the image of God.
And if we really believe that, then we would say, then the human, there's something very good about creation, about this, about the dirt, about the sky.
And I don't know that God said there's anything very good about the virtual reality world that is driven by the machine God.
And so I think if we can start thinking in those terms, like, no, there is something very good about this, we can say, yes, technology has its place.
and I don't mean to push it out entirely.
Technology has been an enormous blessing and that's part of why we don't have to do these Mayflower journeys anymore.
But the right ordering of it in terms of how we conduct our lives is very important to think that way.
It's too easy to fall into, well, I just want to do it for
I think we really need.
And to the Christian conservative point, having children discipling their kids that your body is good.
The Earth is good.
And I think that can be a bulwark against a lot of this.
The first was that on YouTube, these videos would pop up that were half an hour long.
With no talking.
And it was someone dressed like Elsa, Spider-Man and the Joker running around engaging in shenanigans.
They were inane, weird gag videos.
People started to notice that all these videos were going viral, getting hundreds of millions of views.
And then other prominent YouTubers started making some of these.
I think even Ethan Klein made one of these videos.
For real.
Because they're like, hey man, this is what the people want.
And I'm here to make videos that get views.
And YouTube panicked and was like, oh crap.
So they started demonetizing some of these videos.
We then got Elsagate 2, which is when people started using computers to auto-generate creepy videos of, like, Hitler dressed with a woman's body doing Tai Chi.
It's not even a joke.
With the Incredible Hulk, while some Indian people sang the Finger Family nursery rhyme.
So this emerged when nursery rhymes started getting hundreds of millions of views.
Notably the song Finger Family.
Are you familiar with this one?
It's like, finger family, finger family, how are you?
And then you say, index finger, you know, middle finger.
So what happened was a parent would put the tablet in front of their baby and press play.
When the video was over in five minutes, it would autoplay the next video.
So people in India started mass-producing extremely creepy, low-quality versions of this where they would put keywords in it like Incredible Hulk, Hitler, Nazi, things like that.
There were videos of, like, Peppa Pig being run over and mutilated by people, like a car would run him over, and then it was a computer would generate the video based on keywords they'd put in.
Right, and it was just tracking what YouTube was promoting.
YouTube finally nuked all these videos and created YouTube Kids.
They may have already had YouTube Kids, but I think they rolled it out and said, now we're going to stop this once and for all.
Today, there's a new version.
It's the same thing.
AI generated videos of Spider-Man eating hot dogs.
They're really creepy and deranged videos, and they're getting hundreds of millions of views.
Even after nearly 10 years, this problem has been going on.
It's been written about.
I think even the Wall Street Journal covered the story.
Parents are still putting tablets in front of their kids and pressing play on deranged psychotic videos.
This is what kind of blackpills me on the whole AI future thing, is that, hey man, if you're from India and someone tells you you can make $100 in 10 minutes by making a video like this, they're going to do it.
And then in the United States, we're constantly battling against This kind of slop content.
And parents are giving it to their babies.
We then run into this conundrum where you had RFK say wants to ban artificial dyes for it.
The libertarians say, no, we should be allowed to consume coal tar if we want.
If we want to buy coal tar products for our children to eat, we should be allowed.
And at the same respect, internally, the libertarian mindset is if parents want their children watching Spider-Man stick a needle in Joker's butt and then gargle hot dogs.
They should be allowed to do it.
Parents don't know what this is doing to their kids, but they think it's fine.
This blackpills me on the future because I think we're going to have a generation of, there are children growing up now consuming all of this, and it's going to fry their brains.
I think that the baby's brain has developed neurons and was wired.
To interpret that information as the world.
You can't undo that wiring.
When authorities discover children that had been kept in captivity, at a certain age, they can't learn anymore.
So there's a story that came out, I think, only a few months ago.
A girl was locked in her basement since she was a baby, and she escaped when she was, like, 16, and she spoke in a very strange way because she'd not been exposed to other humans to learn how to communicate with them.
So the police were confused because she was struggling to convey ideas to them to explain that, you know, if you've never been taught simple concepts like kidnapped, restrained, chained, held.
She goes to the police and says, we're in the basement too long and need food.
And the cops are like, what?
She goes, we're in the basement too long.
We're there too long.
And it's like, I don't know what you mean by too long.
What's going on?
She's trying to say we are held captive but doesn't know how to convey those ideas.
There was another young girl that was...
Like chained and housed and abused.
And this is an older story.
When they recovered her in her 20s, she literally couldn't learn to speak any language.
She only learned words like food.
And so when she was hungry, she'd go, food.
And they'd try to explain to her, say, I want to eat.
Couldn't do it.
The babies from the ages of zero to five, the neural pathways are forming in the brain to allow the human to do certain tasks.
So what we're seeing now, I think...
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Well, I mean...
To be fair, there are lots of, unfortunately, I'd say very unfortunately, there are lots of children who experience very traumatic events very early in their life.
And it really just depends on how they interpret it, any sort of help for these particular traumatic events.
Actually, within my book, I talk about, I try not to use the word, I talk about a woman that I know who was graped.
At the age of five.
But how she talks about it is very matter-of-fact because she was able to resolve it.
It doesn't mean that it is not a painful memory or something that happened to her.
But in the same way, that could easily have told her that all men are this type of person.
And without some sort of interference, it could lead her down that particular direction.
You're absolutely right.
There are certain parts of childhood development that is crucial.
But when it's something that is traumatic, it just depends on how traumatic it is and how they interpret it and if there's some sort of interjection.
So, like you said, if you take away that tablet, let's say they watch that video, they get scared, take away the tablet for a year, does that change anything for them?
Or are they all of a sudden like...
Incredibly afraid of titler.
Like, I don't know.
So it really just depends on how traumatic it is for that particular child.
And I guess how you approach trying to have them manage it or to change how they view these things.
You know, go back a couple hundred years, agrarian society, the children grew up watching their father work, and they identified with and adopted those traits, and their brains formed neural pathways around what they were doing.
Today, I do think identity disorder is a component of media.
So, furries.
Furries have, not all, but most furries are suffering an identity disorder where they want to be a cartoon animal.
Not an animal.
A cartoon animal.
That's why they wear fursuits that look like Bugs Bunny.
Well, where does that come from?
Obviously, anthropomorphized animal movies and TV shows where the children were placed in front of the screen and then built an identity around watching a cartoon lion talk to a cartoon dog.
Now they're older and they want to be what their brain wired them to be.
I think a couple of the issues in the transgender ideology, there's the social component and a chemical component.
I do believe that endocrine disruptors, plastics, phthalates, PCBs, disrupting hormones is causing effects in utero as well as in young children.
But I also think this is the first time children growing up, a young boy, could immerse himself wholly in feminine culture.
So a young boy 200 years ago, the dad's like, you're coming with me and you're working on the farm.
Today, a little boy turns on the tablet and he watches RuPaul's Drag Race.
They're watching feminine cultural things.
And they grow up building an identity around things that are traditionally feminine.
Not that I'm saying there's anything wrong with that, but then you'll get identity disorder where a person then believes they should be a woman because they grew up watching that and were told that's what they should be.
unidentified
Feminine.
Go ahead.
I was going to say, or for some of these young men, and I'll include myself, they grew up in a household where they're just with women.
I grew up with my mother and my sister.
And it took me years into my adult years where I realized, like, I'm taking on feminine traits.
You know, obviously I'm not gay or anything like that.
But there were certain things that how I responded that were kind of feminine.
But it wasn't until I was around other men and it started really recognizing, like...
I'm very sensitive on this particular thing.
I need to watch and moderate my mood and things of this particular nature.
But I realized I was taking on a feminine nature because this was my environment.
And there are a lot of young men who are highly insecure about their manhood because they move kind of feminine.
And it's not necessarily their fault.
This is the environment that they grew up around.
But I venture to say, without naming anything, that there are particular people who often grow up in this circumstance.
And a lot of the men move in a particular way that's very flamboyant.
It's a compliment for David and a criticism of the Democrats, but it's true.
Like, we were talking about last night, it's not meant to be funny, but it is funny.
With all due respect to David Hogg, who I think is effeminate, frail, probably weighs 100 pounds soaking wet, he's actually fairly aggressive when it comes to those that are in the Democratic Party, and he's just wrong about everything.
And it's because the strongest men they have in leadership, How old is he?
Is he 20-something?
I don't know.
25-ish?
Probably never lifted anything more than 10 pounds in his life.
And that's the best they have to offer.
There's a correlation between working out and being conservative.
unidentified
Of course.
You have to deal with reality.
Right.
Oh, really?
Like, we live in a feminine, normative society where feelings are prioritized over facts, right?
Yeah, the emotion that you can have that makes sense is anger.
Like if you're trying to lift more than you did and you're determined to get it and you believe in yourself but you're starting to fail, you feel that kind of rage where you're going to push everything you have and scream that you refuse to give up.
There's a kind of anger in that at the barbell, but it's not like you're actually assigning consciousness to it or anything, and then you fail, you put the weights down, and you accept.
It teaches so many life lessons that are lost these days.
And, for instance, do you know what it means to drop in on a skateboard?
Right.
You stand on top of the halfpipe, you put your board over the edge, and then you drop into the ramp and ride your board.
For most people, it is terrifying.
You're paralyzed with fear, looking down, having no idea how you're going to...
Who in their right mind would be standing on a ledge five feet off the ground and then lean 90 degrees forward?
Instinctively, you're being told, I'm going to faceplant on the ground.
It's going to hurt.
There's an important lesson in that.
Because I tell every single kid when they're standing up, they're scared.
I say, calm down.
It's okay.
You're going to fall and get hurt.
Do you want to do this or not?
And so for most kids who skate, 90% will fall and get hurt.
But it's not that bad.
Not that bad.
You had to do it.
And so those that truly succeed in this sport are the ones who know, yeah, I'm probably going to get hurt.
Some way or another, it's going to happen.
But if you really want to do it, you have to sacrifice.
Feel the pain.
And what I love now is, I watch these parkour videos on Instagram, and this is crazier than anything I grew up with as a kid.
I watched a video where a dude...
Wanted to break the record for...
It's a trick.
I have no idea what it's called.
And parkour literally just means running around and jumping off stuff.
He jumps a 30-foot gap, and there's a steel beam.
He jumps, goes 90 degrees, and then kicks it, and then flips 12 feet down.
30 feet across into a wall, and then kicks off the wall to backflip 12 feet to the ground.
He lands on his feet with a bang, like a thunderclap.
All these young guys start cheering and screaming and high-fiving him.
And then the next clip was his ankle broken and bruised and messed up.
But I love it.
I mean, maybe you're pushing yourself too far.
But the idea that a young man said, I will literally break my ankle to be great and accomplish something no one has ever done before.
I'm like, that's the drive that men are supposed to have these days.
And too many are missing.
But maybe don't go that far.
You're not intentionally trying to break yourself.
But in a lot of these action sports, guys...
You know, people watch some of, you know, you watch these guys doing backflips and flying through the air and then doing these 80-foot gaps and stuff.
A lot of people don't realize they actually get hurt every time they do it, and then they don't skate for a month while they recover.
They literally break their legs to land something that no one's ever done and push the limits beyond what humans thought were possible.
unidentified
Well, that's a form of—and I want to establish, and I think we should establish, a form of masculinity that isn't always glory-seeking in quite that way.
I think you're right to say, you know, not everyone should pursue that level of that particular sport.
But it's the same as rushing into the burning building, etc.
That's a particular form.
It's a necessary form of glory.
But I think we need to establish a version of masculinity that says there are other ways to have a glorious life as a man, particularly with a prosperous family.
I think there are many ways that we can encourage people to have more children or to...
Honestly, there are people who want to have children.
They want to have marriages.
They don't know how to do it.
And so because they don't know how to do it, you just mentioned the fear of the unknown, they just don't do it.
And they're afraid of the risk.
So it's not, I think there are a lot of young men, the reason they're complaining, the reason they go to the minister is because they actually want to get married.
They want to have children.
But they're afraid to move forward because they've been inundated with it's not going to work.
Instead of saying, to be honest, if you move to a small town in a Christian conservative area and go to church, you will likely find a woman who is not going to be a degenerate slag who's going to leave you and steal your family.
unidentified
Well, even the manosphere that I would love to see is a manosphere that tells you, okay, this is partially true.
Are the family court system biased against men?
Yes, this is true.
But, here's how you can minimize having to deal with any of that.
Here's how you select a proper woman.
Someone with character.
Not because, oh, she has nice ass and big breasts.
It is, here are the warning signs.
Here are the things that you should look out for.
Ask her about, what's her upbringing?
What's her relationship with her father?
Because if it's bad, then you're increasing the odds that her relationship with you will be bad.
Because if the most important man to her is her father, And she has a negative view about him.
You're not going to fare better.
It's less likely for that to happen.
Unless she does work to interfere with that mindset.
But these are conscious questions that you have.
This is part of what I would say family planning.
So you have to look at that woman.
Before you have sex with her, ask yourself, would you want her to be the mother of your child?
That's right.
And if you wouldn't, you probably shouldn't have sex with her.
Right?
I mean, I probably don't have sex with her.
I think we've talked a lot about glory for men.
We haven't talked about glory for women.
And that's a big theme in our society and has been since Rosie the Riveter, right?
We remember those who died in sacrifice of greatness.
The men in battle and the women having babies.
unidentified
I think the interesting thing that we're going to see, we're talking about a self-correcting problem.
And this is what I'm really hoping for.
There's a...
We'll call it an epidemic of women in their 40s who are childless and they're showing up on social media and they're just crying.
They're sobbing genuinely.
There's a big crying on social media thing happening generally, but they're sobbing because they recognize that in many ways they miss their shot.
And they feel that it's difficult to find a man, it's difficult to settle down.
I wish I had, I wish I made a different set of choices I didn't know, etc.
And what I've been hoping is that that message would propagate backwards.
In the generations to women in their 30s and their 20s who see the pileup up ahead and they're like...
I don't want that for my life, and I'm going to choose a different route of fulfillment.
I'm really hoping that that happens because I would like as many young girls as possible to avoid that fate and to be able to find fulfillment in the home with a man who finds the same fulfillment in her and in the family.
That's what I'm really hoping for, and I hope that social media will surface the devastation of the sexual revolution.
Maybe we can make a different choice collectively.
Has that been becoming particularly prominent with pushing traditional values and stuff?
unidentified
Well, I mean, they sort of...
It's traditional values, but I don't think it's actually rooted in anything transcendent.
It's reactionary.
It's saying, well, you see the degeneracy of modern America, let's choose a traditional path as a reaction, as opposed to a righteous choice made in response to immorality.
They wrote, on the most recent episode of our YouTube show, the right-wing commentator Brett Cooper joined the rest of the world in jeering Katy Perry, Gayle King and Lauren Sanchez's brief flight to space.
These women were completely dependent on men who built the spacecraft.
Frankly, we all are because men built civilization.
They built the homes we live in.
They built the studio that I'm recording in.
The spaceships that all these rich celebrities are flying around in.
The difference between Cooper and feminists, she says, is I choose to acknowledge that and celebrate it and be grateful.
You know, they wouldn't want to give me any credit in there, but I tweeted that, you know, a bunch of women went on a spaceship shaped like a giant penis.
We're launched into space on this rocket controlled by men remotely, and it was built by men.
Nothing was accomplished, and when they came back, they acted like it was a great feat, which is a really great analogy for what feminism is.
Men did all the work, and then the women celebrated.
There are many things that women have contributed to in science and industry and everything, and that's fantastic.
If they want to, they should be allowed to.
But the issue I have with modern feminism is that it is a fact.
Women have a time in their lives they can have kids and men do not.
Women make the babies, men do not.
Men contribute to the process of the baby, but the woman's body is what actually incubates and allows the baby to grow and to live.
And then even after the baby is born, the mother is still much attached to the baby with breastfeeding.
So there's a lot of women being told they can have it all.
And then they get into their 40s and they're told you will never have children.
And for guys, that doesn't exist.
unidentified
Not in the same way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they never could have it all.
And a lot of women discovered that the hard way.
They grew in their careers, they got married and they had kids, and they were all set and they recognized, what am I doing?
I don't want to do this.
I don't want to sit in meetings in offices and generate TPS reports.
I want to be home with my children.
I really enjoy this process.
A lot of women say they enjoy the process of being pregnant, of giving birth.
They find it very fulfilling.
And then they abandon the workplace.
And so the issue, the idea that women could have it all was never real.
It was a lie that was told to women, and I think they're waking up to it.
And men are expendable in evolutionary biology because men don't create babies in their bodies like women do.
So what does it mean as a man to have it all?
It's find a good wife who will help you have a family and have a job.
And what does it mean for a woman to have it all?
It means find a good husband who will provide for you and have a family with him.
You provide the family, he provides the resources for your family, and a little bit of overlap in between.
You know, there's a lot that mothers do, especially traditionally in agrarian cultures, where they're actually tending to animals as well and contributing.
But now this idea is that you can be the CEO of a company while having kids.
And there's a lot of women whose lives, I would argue, have been ruined because of this push in feminist media.
unidentified
Well, something's got to give.
Well, it reminds me that, I can't remember her name, I think she's a congresswoman who's making this big deal about bringing her child onto the floor.
But to me, this is one of those areas where it's like, well, you also can't bring your child into a factory when there's large machines.
Like, not every job you can bring your child to.
And so, for her, it seemed like she was using that child as some sort of prop.
Because quite literally, your child doesn't have to be there.
Matter of fact, if you're in Congress, you're not there five days a week, you know, all year.
You're there at certain times for certain reasons to come in for a vote.
I think your child can be somewhere else, right?
Just like the next person who's been there plenty of times before, their child was somewhere else, right?
We can't bring our kids to work for many particular reasons.
So I do think that there's this This constant idea where they're trying to force having it all.
And by doing that, they have to constantly portray themselves as somehow being victimized by not being able to carry their child in every single place that they're going to.
In some places, it's not appropriate.
It just isn't.
So you have to make a choice in many respects, or you can do what Congress is trying to do.
Or I think they accomplished it where they said, you can have your child on the floor, right?
They caved into it rather than saying, I hear you, but no.
You make enough money, have someone watch your child for the few hours that you stand in here so you can vote.
Just like we've been doing this entire time that women have been in Congress.
So, no, I don't think women should try to have it all.
Neither do I think that men should try to have it all.
Trying to have it all sounds incredibly selfish.
It is.
Like, I just think that this is a very selfish mindset.
It's in disregard to the person who is standing next to you who doesn't have their child because they made the sacrifice and you're supposed to encroach on their space.
So your child can sit there and cry and interrupt this other person, right?
Or maybe this isn't a normal professional environment for this child to be in.
Just like most jobs aren't a normal place.
That's why Bring Your Child to Work Day was a day, right?
It was supposed to be a special thing.
It wasn't a lifestyle.
It wasn't a lifestyle, exactly.
Well, your book is about absent fathers, most of it, like your experience with your dad.
Mm-hmm.
okay, so sure, you have a kid and you abandon your kid into daycare, right, for the first few years of the kid's life while you're off doing work, right?
What is going to be the impact on that child?
Oh, your kids are fine.
Well, let's give it 20 years.
Is it any wonder that you have children that are growing up that are in therapy that experience all this anxiety because they were raised by strangers?
Yeah. Are we allowed to talk about that or we just have to sort of paper that over?
What happens
I'm going to sacrifice myself to be present for my child.
Both father and mother, we're going to sacrifice ourselves in various ways to be present for our children.
What sort of security and stability does that create for a child?
I think public school and external schooling was a mistake.
I think it should be pod-based learning, and it should be communal, and schools should be a lot smaller, and there should be a commitment from parents to be involved.
We've had this conversation quite a bit on different shows we do here, and I hear from people saying, I don't have time to do that.
One day a week.
You get a day off from work, and nobody's working seven days.
I mean, some people might be, and then maybe you're excluded.
But if you've got a couple blocks, and there's 30 kids between these two blocks, And so you've got, you know, 15 parents maybe, maybe less, maybe it's 10 parents.
One parent takes each day.
And so over the course of, you know, one day out of the week, not even between 10 parents.
And then you can, you choose what they're learning.
They're with their neighbors and their friends and their family.
The problem is, you know, my experience, I think I had maybe two good teachers in grade school to high school.
And then I left high school after like two months because my parents were freaked out at how miserable my brother and I were, and we were failing.
So we switched to homeschooling.
We had homeschooled before grade school, then started kindergarten like normal.
And then I went to Catholic school until fifth grade, sixth grade, started public school.
Grades collapsed.
High school was worse.
The teachers were scumbag pieces of human trash, for the most part.
They were callous, they were mean, and they treated everybody like shit.
They were two teachers that I thought were good at any of these schools.
So these kids are being sent to a place they hate.
They're telling their parents, the teachers are mean to me, and the parents are telling their kids, suck it up, you're full of shit.
That was my experience growing up.
I know not everybody dealt with that.
I know some people had good schools and good private schools.
But where I grew up in Chicago, literally every kid, their experience was, when I tell my parents that my teachers are abusive, they tell me I'm lying.
And it's like, oh, okay.
Well, the teacher who grabbed him by the back of the neck and insulted him in front of the class and then made him stand by the closet, that was something we were forced to endure.
And so kids that I knew hated school, and so what happens?
Come high school, they cut class every day.
They're like, now I'm finally in...
So with grade school, you're supervised 100%.
We had seventh and eighth grade, you rotate classrooms.
So you're in one classroom for an hour, then you get up and everybody moves to the next one with the next teacher for a different subject.
High school started and it was, here's your schedule, be in this class at the right time.
And that's when the kids were like, I'm out!
These teachers are scumbags, they're mean, and I don't want to be here anymore.
And now no one can stop me.
The institutionalized learning facilities, at least in Chicago, I can't speak for other schools, we're just spitting in kids' faces and expecting them to endure it.
unidentified
Well, the other part, too, to add what you're saying, is that they're far more violent today.
I don't get into fights or anything, but the fights that I've gotten to have all been in school.
So, you know, that's the existence for a lot of kids, is that their fights, their violent encounters, whether they are actively involved in a fight or being assaulted by somebody else, is happening within school.
And it is happening from another kid, the kid who is violent, who is finding some sort of way to express whatever frustration they have because whatever is happening at home is...
It's not good for them either.
So they're taking it out on other kids.
They're becoming the bullies because it's the only way that they can vent their frustration or know how to vent their frustration.
It is the aftermath, usually, of some sort of traumatic event that's happening for that kid, or just neglect.
There's a slew of reasons why kids are becoming more violent.
So I do think that there's a chain reaction to family separation.
Parental selfishness.
The residual effect of all these adult behaviors is that it's affecting the kids in a variety of ways.
So your kid might be depressed and stay at home, or they might go to school and want to beat up everybody.
You don't know which way it's going to come out.
But yes, public schools are becoming far more violent these days because I do think that the family separation angle is becoming more prominent.
It's becoming worse.
And then social media incentivizes it, which is why now we're starting to share, even like, it's odd, in conservative circles, they're sharing high school fights.
Which, I'm just like, why are you doing it?
We have grown adults showing 16-year-olds fighting each other.
Terrible.
Like, it's not beneficial, and it actually incentivizes, because the kids want attention.
That's why they're doing it.
And they say, oh, we got a thousand likes.
More of this.
Right?
They want more fights and more.
Whereas when I was a kid, we didn't have cell phone cameras.
So we just...
They fought and they got a little circle and that was about it.
You were right, but to go back to the experience that I was conveying that I saw from the high schools in my area, when the children go to the parents and say, There's gangs.
There's violence.
The teachers are abusing us.
The parents go, oh, shut up.
Just go to school and do your homework.
You're complaining and you're full of it.
You're just trying to get out of having to do your normal schoolwork.
I went to school and nothing was like that.
That can't be true.
And then when they go to the schools, it's all cleaned up.
And the teachers say things like, everything's great.
We love your kid.
And then the parent leaves and they say, say that again and I'm going to make you pay for it.
Like these schools in Chicago were merciless.
I don't know how you tell parents, hey, don't let your kid eat coal tar.
I've got liberal friends on Facebook and Instagram that are posting that RFK Jr. is making it up.
They genuinely do not believe they're eating coal tar products and giving it to their kids.
So what do we do?
Do we ban these things?
I don't know if there's real simple answers.
I think societal transformation is not something that happens overnight.
Rome wasn't built in a day.
The loss of the church was when communities broke apart and people no longer shared a moral worldview.
And now you have garbage food poisoning people.
The companies that put the coal tar in their food products don't care that they do because people buy it.
And they say to themselves, well, you know, people can buy what they want to buy.
Okay, well, you're slowly poisoning and killing these people.
Oh, well, it's their choice.
That's the society we live in now.
unidentified
I think one of the things that's swimming around a lot of the different topics that we're talking about today are I have to raise them in a particular way.
We look at...
Children, we look at others as a burden on our own individual expression, a limitation that's placed on us, instead of properly looking at them for who and what they are.
And as a result, our society is fraying apart at the seams, because we can't look at each other and say, hey, I value you for your very existence.
Instead, it's what can you produce?
How do you fit as a cog into the machine?
How can you benefit me?
You become an object.
And that's what I think America is truly suffering from.
And Tim, I think you touched on it beautifully about the church is not just a place of communal gathering.
The church is a place of moral instruction.
It used to be a place of moral instruction where we talked about the value of human life, where we talked about how important it was to propagate ourselves into the future, how glorious that was.
I think a large component of the fertility crisis is because our society used to tell women that a successful woman had a family.
In the 50s, the trope was, are you going to find a husband?
Are you going to find a husband?
Now it's be a girl boss.
So all the young women that are competing with each other for status are being told to compete in the same way men are.
unidentified
I think there's a parallel message, yes.
And I think there's a parallel message being given to men, which is about pleasure-seeking, which is about vanity, which is about greed, which isn't about self-sacrifice for women that are being taught to be girlbosses.
So these problems are synergistic.
And so how do we begin to unwind them?
Well, the women have to begin unwinding it from the feminine side, and the men have to begin unwinding it from the masculine side.
And we need a standard to point to and say, hey, you know what, that standard over there that we had for hundreds of years, that worked pretty good.
It requires all of us to give up something.
It requires all of us to die to ourselves.
But when we do that, we find that civilization actually tends to thrive.
And when we don't do that, we have now 80 years of data that says it tends to thrive.
Wolves were domesticated and became dogs, and a dog is essentially a permanent wolf cub.
The behaviors that dogs have Is extremely similar to wolf puppies.
Is it cub or puppies?
I don't know, puppies.
And so what had happened was, when humans inadvertently domesticated the wolf, it started because wolves would scavenge the refuse of human camps when they moved.
The wolves that were less aggressive towards the humans could get closer, and the humans that tolerated the wolf presence were more likely to survive because the wolves kept other predators away.
Over a long period of time...
Wolves and humans started moving closer and closer together because, once again, the wolves that were less aggressive could get closer to the humans who would tolerate it.
This resulted in a strain of proto-dogs, which were more like puppies and less aggressive.
So when they came around and were eating the refuse, the humans chuckled and laughed and threw them some bones.
They had more food.
They survived more.
Eventually, they were dogs.
The behavioral change was that the aggressive behaviors of wolves and the size were bred out.
By natural pressures of what humans would tolerate.
Humans now have the faithful best friend which acts like a baby wolf.
That's all it is.
It's a baby.
This is what's happening to humans.
As time goes on, humans are becoming permanent children.
They don't want to work.
They don't want to sacrifice.
They act like babies.
They act like children do.
Into their 20s, going to Harry Potter conventions and casting spells on each other and dancing around with lightsabers.
Instead of going and...
Staking out new lands and growing farms and sacrificing and being gritty and being adults.
You now have millennial women who don't have kids until they're 30. They're in their 30s now, starting to have children.
And men are not getting married and they're not having wives.
What do they want to do?
The attitude among most millennials, less so Gen Z, but among many millennials and some Gen Z is, I want to travel and do things.
I want to have fun.
I want to experience the world.
And it's like, right, you want to be a child.
Children trounce about and go on vacation and go on adventures.
And then as you get older, you take on more responsibilities and support those who come next.
But this is what we are facing, the domestication of humanity, in which case the future is humans will largely just behave like children like they are now.
And so, you know, as a new father, I made a joke to my wife.
Wouldn't it be funny if all people reacted to their problems the same way babies did?
And then my wife laughed and she goes, you mean like liberals?
And I was like, oh yeah, good point.
But then I take a look at these prominent Democrats and their permanent children.
The men are frail, low-T, as if they're 10-year-olds.
The women don't want to settle down.
They don't want to have families.
They don't want to have responsibility.
They don't want to work.
They want to be communist.
They want things to be paid for for them.
They want to take out loans to go to school and have the government pay for it.
they want daddy to fund their bills they don't want to do hard work I'm not saying literally all but most it is domestication and then you have on the right the resistance to that but we are at a time
So I do appreciate you guys hanging out.
This has been fun.
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Do you want to shout anything out before we go?
Good, sir.
unidentified
Yeah, I do have my book, Children We Left Behind.
I do have a YouTube channel.
I keep forgetting to tell people that.
It's at wrong underscore speak when you search for it.
And my sub stack, adambcoleman.substack.com.
I have a brand new website at willspencer.co.
I have a men's mentorship program, which you can see at the top, and you can find my podcast on YouTube at Will Spencer Pod.
For everybody else, thanks for hanging out for the Culture War podcast.
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So it is going to change things up.
We're still trying to figure it out.
We could probably use some of your advice on the Timcast Discord for how we can make this work better.
But we'll make it work.
Anyway, we'll be back tonight at 8pm for Timcast IRL.
