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March 21, 2025 - The Culture War - Tim Pool
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THE JFK TRUTH, New Documents, CIA Conspiracies w/ Mark Groubert & Eric Hunley

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tim pool
About 80,000 new JFK files got released, and not very many people have been able to go through every single one of these documents, but many other documents have been released before, and there are certainly many individuals who have been tracking the story for quite a long time.
So what better opportunity than now to actually sit down and break down this conversation over the JFK assassination?
And I gotta tell you guys, it goes way beyond this, because...
When you get into conversations about whether it's the mob or the CIA or whatever's going on, you get into conversations about the liberal economic order.
You get into conversations about the Council on Foreign Relations, the Atlantic Council.
Oh boy, the list goes on.
Eventually we're talking about 9-11, free fall speeds.
Who knows what's coming next?
So we've got a couple gentlemen here with us to help us understand this better.
Sir, would you like to introduce yourself first?
mark groubert
Mark Robert, America's Untold Stories at Lord Buckley with my partner, who will introduce himself right now.
unidentified
Eric Hundley, the other half of America's Untold Stories.
tim pool
So you guys, are you guys experts in, say, the JFK assassination theories?
mark groubert
We've done a bunch of videos on it, right?
unidentified
We have over 70 episodes on JFK.
Mark is the bigger expert on it.
He worked with Oliver Stone, wrote a five-piece documentary.
And how many decades have you been digging into these?
mark groubert
Oh, it's been...
50 years.
Wow! Since I started looking into it.
tim pool
How old are you?
mark groubert
More recently, I wrote a 10-hour miniseries with Oliver Stone called Oswald, which we shopped around Hollywood, which should be a documentary by itself.
Just shopping a product with Oliver Stone in Hollywood.
That should have been a movie by itself.
tim pool
Let's start with a simple question I have for you.
What drove Oswald to take JFK's life, and why are so many people besmirching the good name of our CIA?
mark groubert
It's really sad how many people think that.
We call them lone nutters, and we treat them as if they are Holocaust deniers on the show.
So we don't engage with Holocaust deniers and we don't engage with lone nutters who believe that Oswald, after all these years, was the assassin of the president.
tim pool
Okay, so totally aside, have you ever seen the movie Shooter?
mark groubert
With... Mark Wahlberg.
tim pool
Yes. Kind of playing on the idea of how the assassination...
It's playing on the idea of the JFK assassination, I imagine.
mark groubert
Well, a lot of films are.
There's Executive Action is another one with Burt Lancaster you might want to take a look at.
Written by Mark Lane.
unidentified
Carol Xview.
tim pool
Just to kick off the conversation as we get into the JFK stuff, for those that haven't seen Shooter, it's an awesome movie.
What happens is Mark Wahlberg plays a renowned sniper.
He's approached by the government.
They said, we need your expertise to find where a sniper might actually go after this political candidate.
And so he reluctantly agrees.
They bring him to a building and say, tell us where you think it'll come from.
And then he says, he's like, there, go check that building.
And when he turns around, there's some fat.
Beat cop who shoots him, and then they actually tricked him into going there, going into the building to be the patsy, and they accuse him of being the sniper.
So I suppose the idea was this is potentially what could have happened with Oswald or whatever, but it's just a movie, but it is fun to watch.
So I'm curious, for those that have no idea, if it wasn't Oswald, who was it?
mark groubert
Well, probably, if you look at the files that are being released, it's all Cuban all the time.
Every document is about the Cubans.
The shooters were, I believe, Cuban.
But those are the shooters.
I mean, you know, it really doesn't answer the question as to who physically put it together.
But I believe there was a group called Alpha 66 back in the day to get into the weeds a little bit, and that was the most radical.
Anti-Castro Cuban group in the United States based out of Miami.
CIA had a program called JM Wave where they were trying to assassinate Castro for many years.
But Alpha 66 was a group that really hated JFK because of the failure of the Bay of Pigs, the fact that he pulled a switch on it.
tim pool
So who killed JFK?
Was it the Cubans?
mark groubert
Physically Cubans, yeah.
Physically Cubans, but they're just the physics of the show.
tim pool
You're gonna have to break this one down for me.
It's a long story.
mark groubert
Yeah, it's a long story.
tim pool
Well, we can get into it.
I suppose a better question right now for people who are tuning into the news.
What's up with the JFK files?
Was there anything in them?
mark groubert
Okay, so let me see if I can explain this.
For many years...
There are folders on the National Archives website for every year, going back to the Assassination Records Review Board coming out with folders of that year.
And there's been releases every year.
The most recent one was 2023 under Joe Biden.
2024, we had nothing.
There's a folder for 2022.
There's thousands of documents in there.
And Kennedy researchers go through them slowly.
Because it takes so long to do that.
This is really like a document dump, Tim, because they're dumping out hundreds of thousands of documents, and there is no, as Mike Benz said, where is the summary?
There is no summary.
There's no search engine.
There's no way.
So I have to, and all of us have to, sit there and click one after another.
Now, I can get rid of them quickly because I know what I'm looking for, and I'll find it when I see it.
What I've seen from these files that were just released, and I've looked at about, I don't know, 750 of them right now, it's mostly about the Cuban involvement, not in the Kennedy assassination, but in the Bay of Pigs.
tim pool
Those are the documents that got released?
mark groubert
Yeah, so far.
Now, I'm only 750 docs or 1,000 in.
There's probably another...
unidentified
Well, there were 16,000 more released, I think, last night.
mark groubert
Right. So it usually takes months or years to go through these every year.
unidentified
There is some hope, though, Mark, because before, in 2023 and prior, we didn't really have the huge influx of AI.
Yeah. And now, like, I'm working with one person right now that's scraping all the documents.
to get it into a searchable AI.
Problem is, as Mark is pointing out, you have to know what you're looking for, and also the AI has to report back what the actual document is.
So if you say, Lee Harvey Oswald, Ruth Payne, or something like that, then you have to say, okay, it's in these documents, and then link to the said documents so you can verify what the actual reference is.
Otherwise... You get hallucinations.
You get problems with AI.
So there's a very distinct advantage to it to help just crunch through a whole lot really quickly and almost index everything.
But it's going to take time.
And even feeding into AI, it takes...
Weeks and weeks to scrape it.
The OCR is terrible, and Mark can tell you about that.
They like to photocopy and then turn it slightly, photocopy again, turn it slightly.
So the OCR is garbage.
You have to physically go look at the document and go, okay, that word is actually this, because the OCR can get screwed up.
mark groubert
One of the techniques they used back in the day, Tim, was to photostap documents over and over again, to blur them intentionally, and then turn them over to the people requesting them.
tim pool
So that you couldn't read them.
Right. But so this was so they could claim they turned it over legitimately, but now you can't...
mark groubert
Right, and also a lot of the files are files that we've seen before that are now unredacted.
But the redactions are so minimal that the unredactions are minimal.
In other words, it'll say the government of Australia that was redacted.
So now you see the word Australia.
You know what I mean?
So you start to see that.
But they're meaningless unredactions, but they're the same files.
tim pool
So is there something they have not released that we do need to see?
Is there some kind of incriminating evidence?
mark groubert
We don't know yet.
We really don't know.
Until we go through all these documents, we're talking out of school because it's going to take months and months to go through them all.
unidentified
But we are looking for the IRS records.
mark groubert
Yeah, I mean, there's things that we want personally.
Everybody's got their own thing, like Jefferson Morley.
He's looking for stuff on George Joanides, who was a CIA operative who ran the JM Wave program out of Miami.
I'm personally...
That was the program of propaganda and radio broadcast that we broadcast into Cuba, part of the Voice of America.
What's it called?
Radio Liberty.
The CIA had their own propaganda program against Cuba.
tim pool
I think we need a launching point.
Can you give me the elevator pitch to what you believe happened with the JFK assassination?
mark groubert
Yeah, I don't know if there's an elevator pitch, but the...
The mastermind of the assassination, if you want to read a book by a guy named Philip Nelson, who just passed away, he wrote a book called LBJ Mastermind of the Assassination.
And most people believe that LBJ was the mastermind of the assassination.
Now, I don't mean the nuts and bolts.
He didn't get his hands dirty in that regard.
There are plenty of people below him.
David Attlee Phillips was the head of the Western Hemisphere CIA based in Mexico City.
We believe that he was physically involved.
He had an alias Maurice Bishop.
He was physically interfacing with the Cubans to pull off the physics of the assassination.
But the mastermind of it, most people believe, was LBJ at this point.
He was facing jail.
He was about to be imprisoned.
Life magazine was about to come out with a cover story on November 22nd of the crimes that he had committed with a guy named Bobby Baker who was his underling.
They had been linked to, in Maryland actually, Ocean City, Maryland.
They had a motel strip there where they brought in prostitutes and girls for congressmen to come to Ocean City, and they filmed them, and there was a lot of things going on in Ocean City, Maryland.
But the bottom line was the Attorney General of the United States at the time...
Was feeding information to Life Magazine, Time Magazine, and Newsweek about LBJ's corruption.
LBJ was...
tim pool
Was stuff published?
mark groubert
Yeah. Stuff was published about LBJ and more was about to be published.
And the assassination actually took that off the news cycle.
tim pool
Do you know which copies of the Life Magazine would have those stories?
mark groubert
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
I have every copy of Life magazine right there.
mark groubert
The main copy was the one that didn't come out, which was scheduled to come out November 22nd.
There are plenty of them.
It's Bobby Baker bombshell.
There's a bunch of Life magazine Newsweek articles.
I could send you copies.
tim pool
In the other room, I have three shelves with every copy of Life magazine.
It'd be interesting.
mark groubert
Yeah, look at Bobby Baker bombshell.
I think it's probably in October, November of 63. It's starting to cook.
If you think that the Vice President of the United States can't go to jail...
You're sadly mistaken because a couple of years later, Spiro Agnew went to jail, who was Nixon's vice president.
They were going to incarcerate LBJ, and RFK hated his guts and vice versa.
This is one of the most legendary feuds in American politics.
LBJ famously said on numerous occasions, I am going to cut his throat if it's the last thing I do.
And he would give the sign of the finger across the throat about RFK.
tim pool
And then he became president.
mark groubert
He made himself become president by doing this.
I mean, most assassinations of leaders are usually what's known as a second in command assassination.
Historically, going back to Roman times, that's usually the guy who's got the most to gain.
He had means, motive, and opportunity.
It was his operation in Texas.
It was his police force in Dallas.
Everything about the assassination was...
I mean, he literally micromanaged every single part of the assassination after the killing, calling up the hospital, speaking to surgeons, speaking to the chief of police, speaking to the DA.
This is the president of the United States at this point now.
tim pool
Was this a coup?
mark groubert
It was a military coup with LBJ waiting in the wings.
tim pool
So I've heard from a lot of people.
People will chat and they'll say this was the dawn of the deep state.
mark groubert
Well, it's not only the dawn of the deep state, but it has echoes of what we've just been through for the past five years because Joe Biden was a pale cardboard cutout of LBJ.
He was a crime lord president who was deeply entrenched in democratic politics.
I mean, he really was the...
What Joe Biden wanted to be.
Well, they compare him.
He compares himself to LBJ.
That was his mentor, his LBJ.
unidentified
I think he was in Congress at the time.
Didn't he just barely join the Congress?
mark groubert
I don't know if there's any overlap between the two.
tim pool
Maybe. Biden was in for 50 years.
mark groubert
I don't know.
They might have overlapped at the beginning of his career.
The fact of the matter is, LBJ had his fingers into so much corruption.
General Dynamics would put $50,000 in a bag and give it to Cliff Carter.
If you wanted a defense contract, you had to go through LBJ in the Senate.
tim pool
Tim? Biden was 73. Okay.
mark groubert
Okay. Yeah.
tim pool
Well, he dies in 73. The joke we had was that Joe Biden comes out on stage.
He's all hunched over and his arms are hanging out like Mr. Burns.
And he says, true to that shot but to pressure, another gibberish.
We all mock and laugh, say, there's no way this man can be president.
And then he fumbles around in the wrong direction, walks off stage, and as soon as he's out of sight, stands up straight, straightens his tie and says, get me my car.
That speaks perfectly.
mark groubert
That's funny.
tim pool
You know, maybe it was all an act because he actually was a mastermind and you underestimate your enemy when you think he's a fumbling, bumbling fool.
unidentified
In My Fellow Americans, the movie.
tim pool
I've never seen it.
unidentified
Okay. Spoiler alert of the movie.
If you haven't seen the movie from the 90s, I'm going to spoil it for you.
But in the end, the vice president behind everything, he was considered a moron like a Dan Quayle.
And he looked at him and he goes, in the end, it was all just a facade.
tim pool
Oh, right, right, right.
mark groubert
This is the mastermind of the assassination.
I mean, he's got the most to gain.
He's got the most to lose.
It's either you're going to be the leader of the free world or you're going to be a jailbird the next week.
I mean, the extremes are enormous, Tim.
tim pool
How does this country let that happen?
mark groubert
Well, I mean, part of it, if you go back, it's the failure of the Bay of Pigs and also JFK trying to make a missile deal with the Soviets.
I mean, these are crimes that the Joint Chiefs of Staff found to be way beyond the pale.
They looked at him as a complete communist.
Yeah. Now you've got a guy who is a multimillionaire playboy.
I mean, the difference is so enormous, the extremes of this thing.
Who wants to make a deal with the Soviets to reduce the amount of nuclear missiles in the world while they want to launch an initial attack against the Soviets?
He also pulls back air support for the Bay of Pigs invasion, making them lose their minds.
They have a lot of motivation to kill him,
tim pool
And he famously rejected Operation Northwoods.
mark groubert
Which is put forth by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to shoot down our own planes.
tim pool
And blame the Cubans.
mark groubert
And blame the Cubans.
It's hard to explain today.
How big it was of a deal to have nuclear missiles 90 miles off the coast of Miami.
I know it sounds like nothing, but it was a huge deal at the time.
And to have a communist regime 90 miles off the coast of Miami, it came out of nowhere.
It really did.
Because at the beginning, Castro is someone who we thought we could do business with.
unidentified
Yeah, we helped him.
mark groubert
Yeah, we helped him get into power.
There's guys running guns.
There's guys running guns into Cuba.
One of them is Jack Ruby.
tim pool
So for those that are not familiar, and I'm going to go ahead and assume you all are, but maybe there's like five people who've never heard this.
We got Operation Northwoods.
Look at this.
It's so true.
Even Wikipedia has it.
mark groubert
Oh, that's great.
tim pool
Yeah, it's a proposed false flag operation that originated within the U.S. Department of Defense in the United States government in 1962.
The proposals called for CIA operatives to both stage and commit acts of terrorism against American military and civilian targets and then blame them on the Cuban government.
Use this as a justification for war against Cuba.
The possibilities detailed in the document included the remote control of civilian aircraft, which would be secretly repainted as U.S. Air Force planes, a fabricated shoot-down of U.S. Air Force fighter jets off the coast of Cuba, the possible assassination of Cuban immigrants, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas,
blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating terrorism in U.S. cities.
The proposals were rejected by President John F. Kennedy.
How could this have gotten unclassified?
mark groubert
Okay, a lot of things get unclassified because the people doing the declassification are plebs who just work in that department.
When they created the FOIA Act, the reason it was a nightmare was because the bigwigs didn't want to have to go through every goddamn file that was in there, so they just redacted the shit out of stuff, and the underlings had to deal with the government agencies that were requesting the files.
tim pool
I just want to point out, as it pertains to Northwoods, this is the CIA and the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
I mean, this is DOD.
Yeah. Highest levels.
Yeah. Proposing blowing up our own ships and planes and blaming foreign governments to get us into war.
I'd also like to stress the Gulf of Tonkin incident, famously, was a false flag operation.
And I think it was only in, what, like 2010?
Or it was only like 15, 20 years ago, they actually admitted it.
So when I was younger, The conversation on the Gulf of Tonkin was considered a conspiracy theory, and you were nuts.
And then at some point, it was like, no, actually, yeah, we faked it.
unidentified
And that's LBJ, by the way.
tim pool
Right. Interesting.
To get U.S. involvement in Vietnam.
mark groubert
Well, let's just back up.
I mean, JFK signs National Security Action Memo 263 in November of 1963, and that's for the reduction of the amount of troops that were already in Vietnam.
Yeah. Once he's assassinated, while he's lying in state in the rotunda...
Downstairs... LBJ signs National Security Action Memo 273 and says to the generals in front of him, you want your war, here's your effing war.
And he gives them Southeast Asia as a proxy war, as a booby prize.
They wanted to go to war with the Soviet Union.
They wanted to use Oswald as a patsy, not to frame an innocent man.
The framing of Oswald is because he had worked for us as a defector.
They wanted to entrap the Soviet Union.
That was the original plan.
That's why they faked Oswald going down to the Soviet embassy in Mexico City in September of 1963, Tim.
That was David Atlee Phillips' plan.
tim pool
So the CIA has done a whole bunch of messed up stuff in the 60s, in the 70s, in the 80s, in the 90s.
unidentified
Don't forget the 50s and the late 40s.
tim pool
2010s, there's been no reforms, no one's been held accountable, but...
mark groubert
Well, keep in mind, the church committee in 1977 did hold them accountable, and there was quite a bit of pushback, and they were back on their heels.
tim pool
What was the accountability, though?
I mean, I know a lot was exposed, but did anybody go to prison?
mark groubert
No. No.
tim pool
What was the accountability?
unidentified
Although, at least their budget, you know, got nipped, and they were kicked back.
tim pool
I don't believe it.
unidentified
Sat down a little bit.
tim pool
I don't believe their budget got nipped.
The Pentagon can't pass an audit.
The Fed can't pass an audit.
Somebody's funneling money somewhere.
unidentified
Well, they had to go to drug operations.
mark groubert
Richard Helms, the director of the CIA, was found guilty of perjury, and he was convicted of perjury for lying to the congressional committee.
So there was something.
tim pool
I think what we've seen over the past several years, not to jump too far into the future with Trump, I'll tell you one of the craziest things I've seen in my lifetime.
When Eric Chiaramella blew the whistle, quote unquote, against Donald Trump in his first term, alleging that he made untoward or illegal actions pertaining to Ukraine.
If you went on YouTube or Facebook and said the name of a CIA operative, Eric Chiaramella, YouTube would delete your video.
Wow. Take your stream down.
Wow. Facebook would delete the post without notice.
Wow. Famously, Rand Paul was on the floor of the Senate.
And completely unrelated to the whistleblowing, he made reference to CIA agent, Eric Charamillo, agent or whatever his position was.
YouTube deleted the C-SPAN video.
Now you tell me, under what rule structure or community guidelines were they deleting the name of a guy who works in the public sector for the American people who was the subject of massive public scrutiny?
You couldn't even say his name.
mark groubert
He wrote that in the New York Times.
Also, in the Washington Post, right after the assassination, Harry Truman wrote an editorial saying that he made a mistake by creating the CIA and militarizing it.
That was really the problem, was the militarizing of the CIA.
Even Obama, when they were taking down bin Laden, Tim, the CIA had a plan to militarily take down and kill bin Laden, and Obama pulled the plug on it and went with the Navy SEALs.
So he realized it was a problem.
Of course his mom worked there.
Excuse me?
unidentified
Of course, his mom worked there.
mark groubert
Right, his mom worked there.
When JFK famously fired...
Cabell, Bissell, and Dulles, the three top heads of the CIA.
The plan was to give it to the Defense Intelligence Agency, which was created by JFK to replace the CIA.
No president really wants the CIA running around as a military operation, and no one knows how they became that.
It kind of just by osmosis happened, where they began to use weapons on their own and weaponized drones much years later.
Yeah. And even before that, they became militarized him.
tim pool
Wow. I just did a quick Google search for Eric Charamello.
There's a story from the New York Post from 2024 from the Post editorial board.
And they basically go over the history of what this guy did.
And they say that when Donald Trump contacted the Ukrainian president and said, what is this?
I'm paraphrasing, but it was the quote was almost something like, what is this video where Biden says he's going to withhold aid?
Unless you fire a prosecutor, I want you to look into this.
It's corruption.
It's bad.
Charmella blew the whistle and said Donald Trump was threatening Ukraine with a quid pro quo to dig up dirt on a political opponent, Joe Biden.
Joe Biden did the same thing.
What Trump was looking into was Joe Biden telling the government, if you don't fire this prosecutor, the prosecutor who just so happened to be investigating the energy company Burisma, where his son was a board member, and where I believe it was...
Hunter had contacted the State Department only three days prior, or something like this, saying, we need help with this.
The prosecutor's coming after us.
This guy, Charmella, blows the whistle.
He's got a bunch of news stories about him.
He should have Wikipedia entry.
So, I think you guys that are watching right now, however many end up watching this episode, why don't you go just start putting a Wikipedia entry up for Eric Charmella and make sure the public record never forgets his name.
mark groubert
Well, I'll tell you something about Wikipedia.
This is a number of years ago.
They had a...
Oswald's Rifle, supposedly, quote-unquote, Oswald's Rifle, the man like a Carcano on the Wikipedia page called Oswald's Rifle.
And people who were hip to JFK research said that's not his rifle.
It's shorter.
It's got different side mounts.
This one?
Yeah, I don't know if that's the actual case.
tim pool
I just looked up JFK assassination rifle.
mark groubert
Right. Carcano Model 38. Yeah.
Anyway, so it went back and forth about the rifle with people pointing out that that's not the rifle.
There was no scope on it.
There's a lot of differences.
tim pool
There was no scope in the actual...
mark groubert
No scope, my friend, yeah.
tim pool
This has got a scope on it.
mark groubert
Yeah, there's a scope on it.
He did buy a scope, but it was a shot that was too close to even use a scope.
unidentified
Yeah, if you go to Dealey Plaza...
mark groubert
It's so small, you don't need a skull.
tim pool
How many feet away was the...
unidentified
35 yards.
tim pool
35 yards from the book depository?
mark groubert
That's about 150 feet down, so you're 150 feet in the air, and then another 75 yards.
unidentified
Okay. I don't know if it's even 75. So it was like a 100-yard shot or something?
Maybe. Yeah.
tim pool
That's still nothing.
unidentified
That's bare sights.
mark groubert
Right. Except there's a gigantic oak tree blocking the window from where the actual car was at the time.
The oak tree was cut down famously by somebody in the government three months later from the Parks Department after that was happening.
But the rifle itself gets into a raging debate on Wikipedia where they're locking out editors, which is a similar story that we've just recently heard about Wikipedia.
And when they locked it out, the last entry, I traced the longitude and latitude, Tim, to the last entry, and it was Langley, Virginia.
tim pool
This says, photos show Oswald with a carbine, not full-length rifle?
Yeah. Is that just speculation from some user?
mark groubert
Well, the rifle that they found was a German Mauser.
And Walter Cronkite, for two nights on the CBS Evening News, said the rifle is a German Mauser.
There's three cops who get the rifle.
It is a German Mauser.
We know it's a German Mauser.
Because Seymour Weitzman, one of the Dallas police officers, actually owned a sporting goods store that sold rifles.
And it stamped German Mauser right on the rifle.
The Carcano comes in later into the storyline.
The Carcano mysteriously appears out of nowhere and that becomes Oswald's rifle.
They also find...
On the roof of the Texas School Book Depository, a.301 British Enfield rifle also on the roof, and they lower that down through the fire escape with Dallas cops carrying it down.
There's film footage of that.
tim pool
So you believe that it was two Cuban guys?
mark groubert
Probably these two brothers.
They were used in some assassination.
They assassinated a Chilean embassy official in Washington, D.C. in the 70s.
But yeah, the shooters were definitely Cuban.
General Walker was kind of involved with the Cubans in Dallas and around the country.
There is a lot of evidence that the physical shooting...
There's the plot in Chicago, Tim, with Thomas Arthur Valley, who is the Lee Harvey Oswald of Chicago.
He's arrested weeks before.
There are Cubans with guns in a hotel.
JFK is coming to Soldier Field in Chicago to see the Army Air Force football game.
tim pool
There was another plot to us.
mark groubert
Cancelled. They said JFK had a cold when they arrested the plotter in...
Chicago weeks before.
He had a Marine background.
He was a doppelganger of Oswald.
His name was Thomas.
tim pool
They were planning this beforehand.
mark groubert
Oh, dude.
I mean, there was the plot in Tampa.
There was a plot in Miami.
There was a plot in Chicago.
unidentified
All the same year, Tim.
tim pool
Was this like a JFK Mr. Magoo scenario where he kept just turning in the right direction and dodging all these assassination attempts?
mark groubert
Well, kind of like that in a weird way, except when you got to Dallas, that was the last stop on the train.
Because even the next day on Sunday, Tim, if he had survived Dealey Plaza, there was supposed to be a barbecue at the LBJ Ranch, and he was not going to be allowed to leave that ranch on Sunday.
unidentified
Well, also, a couple things.
One... More control.
LBJ had control in Dallas.
He didn't have control in Chicago.
He didn't have as much control in Tampa, so it was much weaker threads.
And who was it that was testifying to Congress when JFK was assassinated and closed his briefcase and left?
Was it Henry Marshall?
mark groubert
No, no, no.
There was a guy who had been testifying behind closed doors.
As a witness of the corruption of LBJ, and they were taking his testimony while the assassination was going on, and they walked in and said the president's dead, and LBJ is the president, and he famously closed his briefcase with all his LBJ documents and left,
saying it's one thing to go after a vice president, it's another to go after the president, sir.
tim pool
Wow. You know what's crazy to me is Oswald was then killed.
Yeah. He's murdered.
And this country just went along with it?
mark groubert
Well, it's not a question of going along with it.
I mean, you take this guy Jack Ruby, right?
So I've got documents in here going back to 1947 where Ruby is involved with Richard Nixon as an informant of the Chicago mob in the union investigation by the Congress of mob activity in Chicago's unions.
And they're asking that Jack Ruby not be allowed to testify because he is an informant.
They don't want his name exposed.
And that document's from the FBI.
From 1947, Tim, think about how long Ruby's been involved in government operations.
He's also involved in running guns to Cuba.
He's involved in various things.
tim pool
When did Ruby die?
Did he die in prison?
mark groubert
We were just talking about that.
He dies in prison because he's visited by a guy named Dr. Jolly West.
tim pool
No loose ends, huh?
mark groubert
No loose ends.
Dr. Jolly West.
Shows up, and the next thing you know, he comes out of the jail cell.
Jack Ruby had already been declared a new trial.
His trial was overturned because of venue.
tim pool
But wasn't there, there's photos, was there video where he shoots Oswald?
Like, there's a picture of it.
mark groubert
Yes. Oh, no, there's plenty of film footage of it.
tim pool
What's his trial?
It was an accident?
He slipped, fell, and pulled the trigger?
mark groubert
Well, what happened was he asked for a change of venue, and they refused, so it was overturned.
The trial, he was found guilty.
Yeah, it was a no-brainer, and he was found guilty, and the trial was overturned.
He was going to have a new trial, and all of a sudden he got a visit from Dr. Jolly West, who injected him with a pneumonia shot, and he mysteriously loses his mind and then dies of cancer.
tim pool
1967. In Dallas, Texas.
You know, it's just so fascinating that when we look back on JFK, and if you take the official story at face value, Oswald, what, he was radicalized and he hated JFK, so he killed him.
Right. And then Jack Ruby is radicalized and angry with Oswald, so he kills him.
Right. And then Ruby goes to prison and dies.
It's just, I'm imagining this time of absolute chaos, power struggles.
It just seems like how could this government have been functioning with this degree of backstabbing?
Like, why did Ruby kill Oswald?
Was he sent in to do it?
mark groubert
Well, he was paid $50,000 to do it.
He gets the $50,000.
He puts it in a safe.
He buys a safe, puts the safe in his office and his strip club, the carousel, has an off-duty Dallas police officer who was a friend of his bolted to the ground of his office on the floor.
And then he signs power of attorney over to his lawyer.
$50,000 at that time is probably the equivalent of $500,000 today, Tim, in current money.
And he had...
Power of attorney signed over to his lawyer.
He had tax debts and he owed his family money.
But he was supposed to kill him Friday night.
He was there Friday night posing as a reporter.
He was there Saturday night.
He bought everyone sandwiches from a deli.
He brought that in for the police.
unidentified
Wasn't he calling in trying to not do it, though?
mark groubert
He kept calling in trying to get out of it, Tim.
Saying they're going to kill Oswald if they transfer him.
The transfer that happens on Sunday was because they promised to transfer him to the Dallas County Jail and have an unlimited open press conference with Lee Harvey Oswald on Monday.
That's why he had to be killed on Sunday.
tim pool
Oswald was going to...
mark groubert
They literally said, we're going to have a full-fledged press conference because they were just shouting out questions.
Right. Reporters, why did you do it?
And they were just little perp walks that they were doing with Oswald within the jail.
So they said on Monday, we're going to have a full press conference with him.
You can ask him anything.
And that's why he had to die on Sunday because...
unidentified
Well, he already signaled.
He said, I'm just a patsy.
So that sort of told them, hey...
mark groubert
Here's the original photo, Tim.
On the shirt right here.
tim pool
You're wearing it.
Wow. Yeah, and look, he's got a Planet of the Apes mask on.
This is the photo they have on the Wikipedia page.
mark groubert
Yeah, that's Ike Pappas on the right, famous NBC newsman with the glasses, by the way, and the white trench coat.
That's Laval, the Dallas detective there who's handcuffed.
To Oswald, and that's Jack Ruby, who actually has what's called a gangster grip on the gun.
tim pool
Sorry, you're drifting from the moment.
mark groubert
Oh, I'm sorry.
He actually has a gangster grip on the gun, if you notice how he's holding it.
tim pool
Is he fine with his middle finger?
mark groubert
Yeah, it's a different way of shooting it.
It's so a gun cannot be knocked out of your hand.
It's to grip it like a thug.
And Jack Ruby learned that because he was an assassin in Chicago, and that's why he left Chicago and moved to Dallas, by the way.
tim pool
What do you call that?
mark groubert
It's like a gangster grip.
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Well, the way he shot him, too, was deliberate.
It went through the lung, the heart, everything.
It was an absolute kill shot.
mark groubert
When Oswald is taken to the hospital, the doctor, Dr. Charles Crenshaw, he's taken to Parkland, the same place that JFK was at, on Friday.
So this is Sunday, and he's in the same spot that JFK was in just two days before.
And Dr. Charles Crenshaw is working on him, the same doctor that was one of the doctors working on JFK.
And the phone rings, and he picks up the phone, and it's LBJ.
Talking to Crenshaw, and he said, I want a deathbed confession out of this man, if there is one.
And Crenshaw's going, look, bro, we're really busy here.
And he said, I have a guy there, and I want that guy to work with you.
And he looks over, and there is a Secret Service agent in a hospital gown with a thing on his head with a revolver sticking out of the back of his pants.
And Crenshaw says, I see him, sir.
And this is LBJ micromanaging not to get a deathbed confession out of Oswald, but to make sure that Oswald doesn't make any statements at the end of his life that would jeopardize the situation.
tim pool
So is it true that Oswald defected to the Soviet Union?
He was married to a Russian?
mark groubert
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, James Angleton, famously one of the heads of the CIA who was involved in our CIA's foreign programs.
If you want to put it that way, had a program he created for 13 phony defectors, Tim.
And the phony defectors were from various branches of the military, and they were assigned to various Eastern European countries.
One went to Bulgaria, one went to Estonia, one went to Lithuania, one went to Romania, and Oswald was part of the 13. And he was ONI, Office of Naval Intelligence, which nobody ever talks about.
It's the oldest...
Secret intelligence agency in the United States government, it goes back to the 1890s, if you want to look up ONI.
Marines and naval people are usually ONI.
Bob Woodward of the Washington Post was ONI.
tim pool
Oswald was...
mark groubert
No, no, I'm just going to finish it up.
He is sent to Moscow, and they, as a phony defector, the Soviets are hip to it because this has happened before.
In fact, they make jokes about it.
Isn't it funny how many American servicemen are now completely disgruntled with the United States and are coming here?
The Soviets were laughing about this program, which they had exposed.
So they send him to Minsk.
And what he does is human intelligence in Minsk.
He finds out how the trains run, how the department stores run, how the TV works, how the phones work.
And he writes it all down in a diary, Tim, which he tapes to his stomach when he leaves with the Soviet bride.
tim pool
Interesting. So it says Oswald was charged for the assassination of Kennedy, but he denied responsibility for the killing, claiming he was a patsy.
Yeah. Two days later, he was killed by Jack Ruby.
mark groubert
Yeah, I mean, put it this way.
I mean, he's got a new baby.
He's got a wife.
He's got two kids.
This is some lone nut.
He's got a lot of friends.
He goes to the Soviet Union, where he has a lot of friends over there.
His whole family, the Murat family out of New Orleans, are all intelligence spooks.
His first cousin, Eugene Murat...
Who invites him to speak at Spring Hill College in Mobile, Alabama in the summer of 1963 about what life was like in the Soviet Union.
That cousin, his first cousin, Eugene Murrett, ends up running the entire legal affairs and court system of Bosnia after the Bosnian War through USAID, Tim.
Yeah, it comes that far around.
That's right, brother.
tim pool
I'm just...
mark groubert
This is a spook family.
The Oswalds and the Meurets were a spook family.
unidentified
Why was Oswald there?
mark groubert
In Russia?
tim pool
No, no, no, in Dallas.
unidentified
He was put there by Ruth Payne.
mark groubert
Yeah, he gets a job there from Ruth Payne, who is a CIA operative.
Her father ran an organization called USAID.
Maybe you've heard of it.
Her sister...
tim pool
Yeah, it's been in the news, I think.
mark groubert
Her sister was a psychologist who worked at Langley, Virginia as a psychologist for the CIA.
So Ruth Payne is his handler, and Ruth Payne is given the job of handling him from George DeMoren's shill to...
unidentified
Don't forget her husband.
mark groubert
Oh, Michael Payne.
Yeah. Michael Payne, her husband, has a top security clearance for Bell Helicopter in Texas.
They were investigating communist students who were pro-Castro in the Dallas area, Ruth Bain and her husband, and they were given this assignment with, don't forget, Oswald's wife is a Soviet agent.
Her uncle, who she lived with, is the head of the FBI, or, you know, one of the high-ranking members of the Soviet FBI in Minsk.
tim pool
What is the real reason?
I'm reading through this.
Jack Ruby was upset.
mark groubert
Well, his lawyer quickly came up with that the day of the killing.
tim pool
Seems obvious.
mark groubert
Yeah, that was his lawyer coming up with that.
He was upset about Jackie Kennedy, wanted to spare her having to come back to Dallas for the trial of the man who killed her husband.
Now, keep in mind, Jackie Kennedy testified to the Warren Commission about the wounds of her husband and sitting next to him explaining what happened from a first-person account that's all been deleted by the Warren Commission and put into a...
File that won't come out until 2039.
I'm hoping that that is in the recent release of these files, for instance.
It's one of the things I'm looking for.
It is the Jackie Kennedy Warren Commission testimony, which if you look up Jackie Kennedy in the Warren Commission, it'll say deleted and put into the archives until 2039.
tim pool
You think the CIA tried to kill Trump last year?
unidentified
I don't know if it's CIA, but somebody for sure, yeah.
tim pool
Government. Let's just say government.
mark groubert
Let's just say government.
unidentified
CIA is shorthand for a lot of things.
tim pool
Okay, the blob?
Yeah. But like deep state.
unidentified
Yeah. I mean, look at Ruth.
mark groubert
I mean, Ruth is over in the Ukraine.
What is Ruth doing in Ukraine?
What is Crooks doing?
I mean, we still don't know about Crooks.
We don't know what his phones had on them.
We don't know what these foreign apps were.
We don't know about his family.
tim pool
There is no official story for the attempted assassination on Trump's life, and I find that to be very interesting.
mark groubert
Well, somebody's got to get to the bottom of this.
I mean, this can't be allowed to be part of history.
I mean...
tim pool
I just...
I think...
I think the deep state's falling apart.
mark groubert
It might be.
tim pool
You look at...
Remember the Vegas shooting?
Yeah. Still no official story there.
Crazy guy with a bump stock?
There's no story.
So when you look at all of these, if you look at JFK, there's an official reason why Oswald was there.
There's a claim about what weapon he used.
Jack Ruby was distraught.
They lined these things up to create a narrative and give you the official story.
Even 9-11 has its official narrative, has its conspiracies.
And then you get Vegas.
No idea what that was all about.
People are still demanding answers, but nobody knows.
Not that that one, I would say, is on the level of a 9-11 type event.
But still, people are saying, what happened?
Now you get the crooks shooting of Donald Trump.
There is no official story.
mark groubert
There's not even a story.
tim pool
None. It's just somehow this guy got on the roof where no cops were, with a clean line of sight to the frontrunner for the presidency, but for the grace of God, Trump turned his head.
mark groubert
Well, it's really interesting that both Ruth and Crooks both end up in commercials.
You know, the Black Rock commercial for Crooks and the other one for Ruth.
And they're both part of a propaganda effort.
They've both been filmed.
They've both been in commercials, corporate commercials.
And yet we're supposed to accept these lone nuts.
unidentified
But there is no story.
The reason to not have a story is there's no story to defend.
mark groubert
So if you think about it, the reason you can't is because, I'll give you an example, there's 26 volumes of the Warren Commission.
It took over a year to put what you're asking to be done right now.
tim pool
And then Trump wins the presidency, so we're not going to get it.
mark groubert
Right. I mean, the Warren Commission, to their credit...
Put together a cockamamie story with 26 volumes of information.
Now, granted, until Mark Lane comes along in 1964, a year later, and begins to shred the Warren Commission, nobody, as Alan Dulles famously said, no one's ever going to read this.
I mean, who has read 26 volumes of The War?
unidentified
And we didn't have the internet.
We had a Mockingbird media that was under control.
There was only three channels.
It's a lot easier to lock it down.
Even into 9-11, the internet really hadn't caught on.
A lot of it wasn't out there.
Now it's difficult, so they're better off just saying nothing.
There's nothing to defend.
tim pool
You know, what's fascinating about the 9-11 truth movement was that it was burned CDs.
Which bypassed the mainstream media narrative and created this network of individuals.
So everybody remembers Loose Change, 9-11.
Second edition, that was the one that really took off.
I worked at O'Hare Airport, and you've got what they call zone rooms.
So I worked for American Eagle Airlines, which is their regional airline, CRJs and Embraers.
So there were, I think, like five zones.
I don't know.
No, it's more than that for sure.
Maybe ten.
Each room has about ten people in it.
And people would come in with CDs and hand them, guys, watch this right now.
And some guys sitting there playing Xbox, waiting for our planes to come in.
And then they put on loose change.
And all of a sudden we're watching this documentary.
Wow. So before the computers, internet, copyable media, three channels.
They all said the same thing.
There's nothing else to believe.
Handful of newspapers.
Typically you're reading what?
The New York Times.
Maybe in Chicago it's a Tribune or something sometimes.
And these are, as you mentioned, mockingbird media.
They're getting their statements directly from intelligence.
Even recently we had a story where a journalist was being given his stories by the CIA.
This is only a few years ago.
So I certainly still think it's going on.
The technique.
They do today.
Though I do think they're losing power because of the decentralization of information technology.
Here's what they do.
Because they've done this.
And anybody who knows who this individual is, congratulations by saying their name because they'll sue me.
So they contact early 20s intern reporter.
They say, I'm with insert agency.
I've got information that needs to get out.
I got to blow the whistle.
I will be your source.
It's approved.
The whole way through.
The intelligence individual feeding this information is doing it intentionally, targeting...
unidentified
Limited hangout, yeah.
tim pool
Right. This intern, who makes $35,000 a year and is living off mommy and daddy's money to pay for their New York apartment, goes to their boss and says, I was just contacted by an intelligence agent who's got privy information for me.
I have a source.
Look at this story.
Donald Trump is a Nazi.
And they go, and you have this person on the record saying this.
Yes. So we can run it.
Yes. We're going to make a million dollars.
The editors are thinking, as long as I can't be sued, we are going to get rich.
This article will get two million hits.
It's going to be 50 grand.
We're going to do it again.
You run the story.
They then come back and say, my source has given me another story.
I want a raise.
I want a promotion.
Done. You are now a senior field reporter, a news reporter covering intelligence.
We're going to have you go out and go on TV and talk about the story because you're getting so many views.
This young person is going, it's all happening for me.
It's all happening for me.
The CIA and the intelligence agencies are like, they will say whatever we tell them to say.
The stories that we want reported, they will do because it makes them famous.
Then this individual finds themselves getting a half a million, you know, a dollar a year salary, working for a prominent liberal magazine.
Now they're working for some of the biggest news agencies in the world.
Their name is appearing on every byline, and they are the foremost expert on how Donald Trump secretly works for Russia.
mark groubert
Yeah, no, I mean, it happened.
One of the files that we did pull out from the recent JFK files dump...
Was the outing of Priscilla McMillan.
Priscilla Johnson McMillan is a woman who interviews Lee Harvey Oswald in Moscow for a UPI-style news service in the hotel in Moscow.
She later is the woman assigned to write Marina Oswald's autobiography by the CIA.
She denied...
She's outed by Max Good in his documentary on Ruth Payne, which came out two years ago, that I highly recommend to your audience.
unidentified
The Assassination of Mrs. Payne.
mark groubert
The Assassination of Mrs. Payne?
unidentified
I think that's it.
mark groubert
Yeah, The Assassination of Mrs. Payne by Max Good.
It outs Priscilla McMillan.
But the documents that I just received through the search shows for the first time that she officially was...
A CIA Operation Mockingbird journalist, to go to your point.
tim pool
Yep, and it still happens today.
I can confirm this, 100%.
News agencies get calls from the State Department all the time.
It is routine.
And people who work for these companies talk to the State Department about their stories.
And I can confirm that when these individuals are buddy-buddy with government officials, what people got to understand is this.
It's not like...
A guy in a trench coat with sunglasses on meets the journalist in a parking garage in the middle of the night and then kicks a folder over to him and says, keep it.
Run the story.
It's not like there's a journalist eating a sandwich, sits down at a restaurant, and the guy behind him says, if you report this news, you're going to get what's coming to you.
And they're like, oh, man, oh, no.
No, what happens is a guy from the State Department calls the editor and goes, Jim, what's going on, buddy?
We still on for that round of golf this weekend?
Hey, you know that story you guys are working on about the thing that's going on?
Please don't run that.
And the editor goes, all right, consider it done.
See you Saturday for a round of golf, buddy.
Hey, you're getting the drinks.
Hey, anything for you, Jim?
mark groubert
Well, don't forget the ending of Three Days of the Condor with Robert Redford, where he turns the documents over to the New York Times and says, ah, there you go, go fuck yourself.
And he says to them, how do you know they're going to run it?
And that's how the movie ends, the Three Days of the Condor.
Standing in front of the New York Times building, thinking that he has succeeded.
What's that?
Vindication. Vindication.
And then there's the plot twist at the end where he says, how do you know they're going to run it?
Because they own the New York Times, too.
tim pool
We've been talking about this quite a bit, about the ideology of the modern left.
And my attitude is, these people espouse anti-capitalist views and things like that.
But I guarantee you, you go to any one of these people and offer them a million-dollar contract, and they will balk like chickens on TV, whatever you tell them to do.
They have no ideology.
And that's true.
mark groubert
You're describing Hollywood.
tim pool
Of course.
Right. But you get these activists, right?
Go to one of these activists who's out there marching in the street screaming, you know, anti-capitalism.
Ooh, Trump's bad.
mark groubert
Deborah Winger.
tim pool
And then say this.
Hey, we love what you do.
We would pay you a million dollars to say you're a reformed communist and that you love capitalism.
We'll pay you a million dollars a year for 10 years.
We'll buy your mom a house.
They're going to say yes.
mark groubert
Are you talking about Michael Schellenberger?
tim pool
I'm talking about literally all of them.
Why? Did Michael Sellenberger do that?
unidentified
Easy. He's an interesting guy.
tim pool
And it's not – people need to understand you get this word grifter they say all the time.
It's not even – you don't even need to say that.
It's that on the right you have a challenge to overcome in faith.
Going to a conservative, you can find a grifter who will be a conservative and then be like, I've seen the light and I'm a liberal.
Sure, it happens sometimes.
mark groubert
Yeah, that's weird.
Does that happen?
tim pool
Rarely. It's because they have faith in Jesus.
And I'm not being cute.
You know what?
mark groubert
That might be true.
tim pool
You go to a person and say, reject your God.
No, it's not going to happen.
And the right is predominantly devout, though not everybody on the right or pro-Trump or whatever is.
On the left, they're faithless.
So it's much easier to find people.
So I would say, let's just ballpark it.
70% of the left would take any amount of money.
30% are going to be like, no, we believe in our cause.
On the right, it's the inverse.
70% are, no, we believe in the cause.
30% are probably like, I was only here for money.
And you take that to its natural function.
You end up with individuals whose, their ideas change on a whim.
They will say whatever they're told to say.
They will go and work in media and report whatever they're told to report.
None of this actually matters to them.
So this is how you end up with a mockingbird media.
The intelligence agencies will just simply look for people who are stupid but smart enough and willing to do whatever it takes to be famous and make money.
And they will promise that.
You will be the next Woodward and Bernstein.
You will have the book in every book.
mark groubert
It is Woodward.
unidentified
Woodward. That's why I said you will be the next Woodward and Bernstein.
mark groubert
Bernstein was kind of for real.
Woodward was O&I.
Woodward is placed inside of the Nixon White House to steal documents, and he does his job stealing documents.
He's never even a journalist before.
Bernstein really was.
I mean, he's literally 100% a journalist.
tim pool
Well, then Woodward.
mark groubert
Well, Woodward's the guy.
And it's funny because he steals documents from Kissinger's desk.
But so does Daniel Halpern, Mark Halpern's brother.
And their father was the one that wrote the Pentagon Papers, Mo Halpern.
The Halperns have a long history of deep state activity.
So keep your eyes on Mark.
He's not free and clear either.
tim pool
Wow. Well, it's going to be interesting what happens now considering the decentralization of media.
So one of the challenges is obviously YouTube censorship.
Yeah. They're the last one, really, though.
mark groubert
I mean, they're the last man standing.
tim pool
YouTube. YouTube.
mark groubert
Yeah, YouTube, Google.
tim pool
Facebook is still substantially more censorious than YouTube.
mark groubert
Really? Even with Zuckerberg paying a million dollars?
tim pool
Yep. It's all fake.
It's all fake.
Okay. So I'll give you the breakdown.
Rumble's the best.
Right. Followed by X. Okay.
Followed by YouTube.
mark groubert
Followed by YouTube.
tim pool
Yeah, followed by Facebook Meta.
Followed by TikTok.
TikTok is the most censorious platform on the internet.
Right. For obvious reasons, you know, it's heavily Chinese-influenced.
Yeah. And so I've been banned from TikTok how many times?
I don't even know.
And they say it's because I don't exist in shared reality.
I'm not kidding.
That's what they told us.
mark groubert
That's a phrase?
tim pool
They said we exist in a shared reality and your opinions are outside of it or something like that.
unidentified
Wow. Oh, okay.
mark groubert
Wow. You're outside our theoretical universe.
tim pool
And I'm like, I just read the news.
Wow. I'm not even doing shows where it's like we talk about...
We don't talk about crazy nonsense.
It's like whatever.
mark groubert
Maybe they just want crazy nonsense.
tim pool
No, no, no.
unidentified
Specific crazy nonsense.
tim pool
Right. Specific crazy nonsense.
Dylan Mulvaney gets 13 million followers.
Dylan Mulvaney.
mark groubert
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Anything that tears down the fabric of the American public.
mark groubert
Right. Maybe they have an agenda over there.
tim pool
Perhaps they do.
mark groubert
Perhaps they do.
tim pool
YouTube's not as bad, but YouTube's smarter about it.
Yeah. So I would put it this way.
The way I rank the censorship is based upon the likelihood of them removing your content.
YouTube may actually be the worst in that they do what's called the tiny room ban.
You guys ever hear this one?
No. So what they'll do is...
mark groubert
It's probably happened to us.
unidentified
It's happening to us.
mark groubert
Anything that's happened, it's happened to us.
tim pool
So there's banning.
It's overt.
There's shadow banning.
Yeah. Subversive, but you can see that you're being shadow banned.
And then the tiny room ban.
If you make a video where you are pro-Ukraine war, you are anti-Trump, you will find your videos on the front page of YouTube periodically.
mark groubert
Good idea.
Let's go with that.
tim pool
If you are anti-establishment, anti-blob, anti-machine, for some reason your videos never appear in trending.
They never appear in trending.
They don't get recommended.
You won't see subscriber growth.
The tiny room ban is they want you to be able to keep getting the amount of views that you always get so you don't notice anything negative.
A shadow ban you'd notice.
You'd say, hey, I'm not getting traffic anymore.
mark groubert
Well, I was shadow banned on Twitter, and then my own file was given to me afterwards.
tim pool
And you can see it because they released.
There's a whistleblower.
So the tiny room ban is a long game.
So I believe YouTube's tiny room banned us.
What that means is the people who already watch the show will always be able to watch the show and be recommended to the show.
mark groubert
You're in a tiny room.
tim pool
No new people.
mark groubert
Are allowed into the room.
tim pool
Wow. You can tell this happens.
mark groubert
It's happening to us.
tim pool
So what ends up happening is...
So I say, okay, you can break a tiny room ban very easily.
It's called money.
So I'll make a commercial for the show and I'll advertise it on Google targeting specific audiences that are outside the tiny room.
What did YouTube do?
First, Google rejected the ad on false pretenses.
So I made another one.
Rejected the ad.
mark groubert
Are you willing to wear a wire?
Yeah. Go on.
tim pool
Rejected the second ad on false pretenses.
I complained.
Google Assistant said, we don't understand why your ad is being rejected.
Finally, one of the ads got approved.
And instantly, the two episodes of Timcast IRL that were featured in the advertisement were deleted.
And I was given a warning for having ever had them.
And I think the issue was, in the tiny room, they didn't care that we had an episode with Joe Rogan and Alex Jones.
Now that I was breaking out through buying marketing...
It was now showing regular YouTube users these episodes could be watched.
Click this link.
They deleted them to make sure nobody could watch them.
mark groubert
Dude, that's dark, bro.
Dude, this guy Brendan Carr has got to get in there and do something with Google and YouTube.
It makes me sick just to think about it.
tim pool
This is probably one of the next big plays that needs to happen.
Yes. So if you – look, Mr. Beast is always on the front page of YouTube, and you can argue that it's decently entertaining.
It's fun stuff.
I got no beef.
They're fun videos.
They're big.
But there's a lot of political stuff that YouTube will front page.
Research done eight years ago shows that it's about a two-to-one directional shift.
YouTube will direct a conservative viewer twice as often to a liberal show.
So if you are – If you're a conservative and someone sends you a link to a video on YouTube and it's about immigration, if you click that, you are going to get 60-70% of the time left-wing recommendations in your up next tab.
unidentified
Yep, Young Turk stuff.
tim pool
Right. And MSNBC and CNN.
If you are a liberal, you get liberal.
If you're a conservative, you get liberal.
There was a man who actually did the research and created a graphic, interactive graphic system showing using...
I forgot how you described it.
Air-gapped may be the way I would describe it.
Computers that had never touched the internet.
They would go on YouTube and then just have a script, track the recommendations.
And they found that something like 80% of all recommendations pushed people to the left.
mark groubert
You know, I think the opposite may be true.
We get people coming to the channel for JFK stuff and then they hear that we're for Trump and they go berserk.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
mark groubert
They go completely batshit crazy.
Haven't they ever seen the channel?
No. They came over for the JFK stuff that was in their feed, and they go, who the F are you guys?
Support Trump?
How the hell did I end up over here?
Yeah. So I think it cuts the other way, too.
tim pool
Well, right.
If you're a liberal, they're not sending you conservative content.
And if you're a conservative, they're sending you liberal content.
mark groubert
Well, these guys act like they've never heard a pro-Trump statement in their life.
unidentified
JFK confuses the issue, though, because JFK is a hero to the left.
And a lot of lefties are very interested in the assassination.
And so I think it screws the algorithm maybe a little bit.
They send them over saying, oh, it's JFK, it's well-liked.
And then they find out, oh, we talk about Trump too.
mark groubert
We've got so many comments going, you're so smart about the JFK assassination.
I've learned everything from you.
How could you be so stupid in supporting Trump?
How many times do we get that?
I mean, it's shocking, bro.
tim pool
They're shocked.
So yeah, I think getting the FCC on top of Google and YouTube and all that stuff is going to be very interesting.
The other issue is, are you guys familiar with dead internet theory?
No. So the theory goes that around 2016 is when bot accounts overtook real humans on the internet.
Numerically. Numerically.
So that means when you get a comment, it's 80-90% likely to just be automated to force your opinion on something.
mark groubert
Oh, interesting.
tim pool
Yeah. So the idea is you go on X. You go on Twitter before Elon bought it.
This was prevalent.
Some interesting stuff went down.
So you go on X and you say, I like Trump.
You get spam blasted with people saying Trump is bad.
Trump is bad.
Hillary is good or Biden is good.
The theory goes that these are actually just bot accounts either run by 50 accounts run by one person or automated to Create the public perception of popularity of Democrats.
When Elon Musk announced that he would be buying Twitter, overnight we saw all the liberal personalities lose millions of followers.
The conservatives gained millions of followers.
How does that happen?
unidentified
And the Twitter blue stuck another knife into it.
tim pool
It did.
The argument they tried to make was, as soon as they said Elon was going to buy it, liberals were fleeing the platform.
That's insane.
That's an obvious lie.
One theory is that this was them purging bots and removing shadow banks.
mark groubert
I remember hearing that, yeah, at the time.
tim pool
It happened twice.
So then word came out that, oh, Elon's not actually going to buy it.
mark groubert
Wasn't Twitter just a glorified NGO, Tim?
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
mark groubert
Yes. I mean, that's the way I looked at it.
Like, here are people doing nothing on salary like an NGO.
tim pool
Here's what I think.
I think that Twitter was started as a legitimate company.
After a certain point, the intelligence agency said...
mark groubert
They captured it.
tim pool
Let's use this as our tool.
That made Twitter get really big because Twitter didn't really make sense at the time.
You can post your update.
You can post your update on Facebook.
So I remember when Twitter first came out, it made no sense.
I think the CIA gets involved, but the intelligence agencies, the deep state, and they said, we want to utilize this as a means of messaging.
We can see its value.
We're going to put money into it, prop it up.
Twitter then builds a backdoor for the government.
This is true.
We know this is a fact.
They were able to log in.
Twitter and Facebook had backdoors, according to various reports, where they could then submit for removals.
The top legal, Vijaya Gade, reportedly was having weekly meetings with intelligence agents.
It was meant to be a covert operation, like Mockingbird.
Elon Musk said, so what will happen if I say I'm going to buy it?
They can't pretend.
They can't stop it.
Even though it is actually a...
Largely a government operation.
mark groubert
He used capitalism as a tool against them.
tim pool
Yes. And so he basically, imagine if Elon said, I'm going to buy the CIA itself.
Yeah. Well, you can't.
It's a government agency.
mark groubert
Try to buy the website, though.
CIA.gov.
That might be fun.
tim pool
Well,.gov.
But I think that Twitter was operating as an asset of the intelligence agencies.
mark groubert
Absolutely. I mean, are you hip to Cuban Twitter?
tim pool
What is that?
mark groubert
They created a copy of Twitter to influence the people in Cuba.
And this is recently all completely phony to get all their information, get all their – they were going to build it up to 300,000 or 400,000 and then begin to have a color revolution down there to overthrow the Castro regime.
They pulled the plug on it in the last minute because of the change of administrations in 2016 to Trump.
But they had created a completely – The U.S. government did.
Yes, we created a completely parallel – Mike Benz talks about that.
USAID created a parallel, a complete parallel Twitter, a Cuban Twitter, and they had as many as 100, 150,000 followers, and they were building it up to a certain cutoff point where they would then begin to call for an uprising.
unidentified
So that's what TikTok is here.
mark groubert
Yeah, right.
tim pool
I think that Elon knew that the feds, the intel agencies, were operating Twitter and that he was going to war when he was going to buy it.
But I think the reason they did is they were going to war with him.
And then after this, he starts getting invested.
So as soon as he makes his intentions clear that he's supporting Donald Trump, they start going after his companies.
I think this goes way back.
Biden had this electric car summit, didn't invite Tesla.
I think Elon took that personally.
I think it's probably deeper than we realize in that they were cutting out Elon despite the fact that he was doing what he was supposed to be doing, an electric car company.
He became rich, he became successful.
He was telling people to buy their cars and they were snubbing him and treating him like garbage.
So then he says, why am I going to support these people?
There's a lot more to it.
The purchase of Twitter was tremendous for developing an AI.
Using the firehose of X to train your large language model was brilliant.
unidentified
That and Reddit.
Reddit was also huge for training ChatGPT, etc.
tim pool
Well, so Elon...
mark groubert
The head of Reddit was USAID.
Had a salary from...
tim pool
Really? Oh, yeah.
mark groubert
The woman ran...
Yeah, that was outed with the recent...
tim pool
What was her name?
mark groubert
I forget it.
Whoever the woman is...
Whoever the woman is in charge of Reddit was also being paid by USAID.
tim pool
So I think Elon knew he was buying a government asset.
And long story short, we saw all the liberal personalities lose millions of followers overnight.
You could track this on social media.
Go back to 2012.
Are you guys familiar with the LulzSec and Anonymous hacking scandals of like the 2009, 10, 11, 12?
unidentified
I've heard of it.
I'm not familiar.
tim pool
So Cablegate was big with Wikipedia, and then Wikipedia got attacked.
And there was this group of, you know, people call them hackers, that began to use the moniker Anonymous.
Anonymous was never a group.
It was never a group.
It was a 4chan forum directing random operations.
There was a small group of people that exploited this.
They eventually called themselves LulzSec or LulzSecurity.
Okay. Some of the information released by these guys was then parsed by a guy named Barrett Brown for something called Project PM, where they discovered the U.S. Air Force was purchasing sock puppet Twitter accounts.
A sock puppet is a fake account that looks like a real person.
One guy would operate 50 accounts, and the presumption is, in the Libyan civil war conflict and the death of Gaddafi, they manipulated Twitter to trick the American people into thinking that...
It was popular to oust Gaddafi, despite that Gaddafi was popular in his country.
So I remember back in the day, being friends with a lot of these hackers, they started to question, how come so many of these Libyans that want to oust Gaddafi speak colloquial North American English?
The average American doesn't think anything of it.
They see an account from someone in Libya saying, we must stop Gaddafi, we need your support, to build public support for an international coalition to put a no-fly zone in airstrike.
Libya destroyed the country.
Ultimately, NATO did.
Libya's flattened.
Now it's a slave trade operation of militia war and violence.
But the explanation given after the fact was the only reason they speak colloquial North American English is if they're on Twitter, they likely were educated in the West.
That explains it.
What actually explains it is that the U.S. government was running fake accounts to sway public opinion.
They are likely still doing this today.
mark groubert
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
This is the new Mockingbird.
mark groubert
Yeah. Well, it's a new...
I mean, Color Revolutions have been outed.
And what we've learned is...
unidentified
Oh, the Covington Kids were.
mark groubert
What's that?
unidentified
The Covington Kids was an operation like that.
They came out of Brazil and then got picked up and went completely wide.
Great book, Ryan Holiday.
Trust me, I'm lying.
Does a beautiful job talking about this.
And Pelosi even describes it with the wrap-up smear.
So it's a similar principle.
mark groubert
Yeah, I mean, the keys to the kingdom are right now Romania and Hungary as to what is going to happen in Europe.
What really happened in a short, just to give you a short history, when the Soviet Union collapsed, the secular atheistic communists who fled the Soviet Union came to London, New York, and L.A.,
the real Soviet apparatchiks.
Buried themselves into the Democratic Party.
Look at people like Aparovic at CrowdStrike.
Look where his father came from, an atomic scientist for the Soviet Union.
They all fled the Soviet Union upon its collapse.
The people who remained were not communists.
The people who remained, and in fact, today, if you look at Putin and you look at the flourishing of the Christian church in Russia, Russia is now the United States of the 1950s, Tim.
You could make that analogy.
But the people who came here burrowed into the Democratic Party, these far-left communists.
Burrowed their way into this party and took it by force, literally.
And now they've been defeated and they're fleeing to Europe.
Having these celebrities go to Europe is not an anomaly.
They are literally fleeing the United States to go to the EU.
Which has now become the new Soviet Union.
There's a guy who did a speech about this going back to 1999, 2000, about how the EU is exactly the same.
As the old Soviet Union, central bank, agriculture five-year plans, states that are run by a central government in Brussels, like Moscow, different nationalities under the control of the EU.
They can override elections.
There's a million comparisons to the Soviet Union by the EU, and this is their last place left on the earth.
That's where the battle is going to come.
We are going to align with Russia.
That's why Trump is being assassinated, not because of anything else but the common economic interests of our two countries.
That's why they tried to kill him.
That's why they went Russia, Russia, Russia.
tim pool
I think also with the opening of the Northwest Passage, Trump's interest in Greenland particularly...
Trump's concern with Russia is that if we want control of this territory, we have to be in negotiations with Russia.
And if we are at war with Russia, the Northwest Passage is a hot conflict zone.
So ending that war is going to be paramount if we are going to control trade through the Northwest.
mark groubert
Well, it's not just trade.
I mean, he's going to form an economic alliance with Russia.
That's what they're afraid of in the EU.
tim pool
We're to form an economic...
mark groubert
He's already said he's talking economics with Putin.
tim pool
Right. But take a look at the Northwest Passage.
That means the rest of the world that wants to utilize this route is going to be working with Trump and Russia.
Trump's probably thinking, look how much we will control if we work with them as opposed to fighting with them.
And they keep...
It's the weirdest thing to me.
The people who never cared about Russia before all of a sudden do.
The people who never cared about Ukraine before all of a sudden know where it is.
I don't believe it for a second.
I think these people are cultists.
You see that guy who torched the Tesla stuff wrote Long Live Ukraine.
Yeah. I'm like, that guy doesn't even know where Ukraine is.
mark groubert
Right. Yeah.
tim pool
Real quick, though, I do want to give a shout-out to Stephen Crowder, Mug Club, all the people that are joining the show right now.
Welcome to the Culture War on Friday.
It's a different channel from the morning news show.
This is where we talk more in-depth on various issues, so I really do appreciate you guys tuning in.
Smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know, and we're talking government control and conspiracies and the current state of things.
So, that being said, my question for you guys, based on everything you've seen, you know, we go back quite a bit.
We talk quite a bit about JFK, but there's so much more in between then and now.
mark groubert
Right. I mean, the reason JFK is relevant is because it has echoes of today.
JFK is really Donald Trump.
If you look at the comparison of the two guys, multimillionaires, didn't take a salary, had a long history of womanizing in the past, two handsome guys.
One was a Democrat, became a Republican.
One who was a Democrat, JFK, couldn't even be a Democrat today.
The similarities between the two are endless.
Both of them anti-war.
Both of them pro-populist.
I mean, I could go on and on and on.
tim pool
JFK donated his entire...
Higher salary to cherry.
mark groubert
So does Donald Trump.
I mean, the similarities are endless, bro.
That's why they fear Donald Trump, because he is the modern-day JFK.
Never minding the assassination attempts.
That's obvious.
tim pool
Well, so here's a question then.
Does Trump succeed in his endeavors?
mark groubert
Well, that's to be determined.
Depends on...
He now has a team of Avengers.
So that's different from the first term, Tim.
Now you've got spread out...
It's a power that's spread out among other people.
So if you take him down, you've got J.D. Vance.
If you take down Vance, you've still got Gabbard.
You've still got Pete.
You've still got RFK Jr.
It's not centralized power like it was in the first term, where he could have a Mike Pompeo come to him and say, you can't release the JFK files because I'm showing you this thing in Mexico City about Oswald not really being there and us ordering the torture of Sylvia Duran and us owning the Mexican intelligence that did our...
We own the police of another country.
And that's in the documentation that's in the JFK files.
unidentified
His first term was on-the-job training.
mark groubert
Yeah, it was on-the-job training.
unidentified
He's had four years now to figure out what went wrong, what did I miss, what did I get wrong, who do I ally with?
So now he's coming back in as much more experienced and far more dangerous.
mark groubert
Put it this way.
JFK ordered the removal of troops from South Vietnam.
The generals and the ambassador from Saigon said, screw them, we're not going to do it.
Same thing as Syria.
Trump said, I want the troops out of Syria.
The generals bragged how we disobeyed his orders.
The similarities are endless.
tim pool
What do you think happens?
Where do you think this goes?
I mean...
mark groubert
Well, it goes as far as Trump will push it.
Everything goes as far as he's going to push it.
This battle with the judges right now, how far do you pull an Andrew Jackson?
Do you just say, you've made your ruling, now try to enforce it?
Does he go full Jackson?
Is really what we're asking ourselves as Americans right now.
Because we've got...
The thing about the judges, the reason the Democrats are so cocky under Biden, the reason they're able to do everything that they've been doing is because they're ace in the hole when the shit hits the...
when they are voted out of power, they know that the entire judicial system is run by them.
That's why they're so arrogant.
That's why they're so cocky.
It's a power that nobody saw before until they went after Trump, until it's reached this crisis point, where we're now literally in a constitutional crisis, Tim.
tim pool
Caused by Democrats, not by Trump.
mark groubert
Absolutely caused by Democrats.
Absolutely. It's their backup plan to retain power in Democrats.
tim pool
And what they've been doing is claiming Trump's the one causing it.
Right. When Trump has been acting under his authorities of the executive branch...
mark groubert
This has to be resolved.
This can't continue...
tim pool
How is it resolved?
mark groubert
It's got to be resolved by four or five men in the Supreme Court who've got to get a sack of balls and step up and make a ruling.
tim pool
If the Supreme Court instructed Donald Trump to do something unconstitutional, should he do it?
mark groubert
Well, again, like Richard Nixon said, or other people said, I know pornography when I see it.
If the Supreme Court says it's unconstitutional, it's unconstitutional, theoretically.
tim pool
Do you think that Donald Trump should place male prisoners in female prisons?
mark groubert
Male prisons?
Female prisons.
unidentified
He's talking about the trans argument.
mark groubert
Oh, I see what you're saying.
unidentified
The trans.
tim pool
A judge has just ordered Donald Trump.
mark groubert
Look, all of these rulings are by design.
This is Mark Elias' across-the-board game plan to screw with Donald Trump.
This is not accidental ruling.
unidentified
I would argue it's the other way, too, because Trump is deliberately making these decisions to get them to do it, because that right there, Tim, is not popular.
mark groubert
He's trying to find the most egregious cases on purpose, Tim.
unidentified
Yeah, these are the 70, 80 percent in his favor rules.
mark groubert
These are 80 percent approval.
tim pool
So you think Trump's counterplay is he deports Trende Aragua?
Yes. Because it's a deeply popular issue.
87%. And then gets the Democrats to defend the violent game.
mark groubert
That's what's happening.
unidentified
Or a transprisoner.
mark groubert
And not only that, he's got a Supreme Court, he's got to shame them into getting a rule.
tim pool
So the argument then actually is Trump is intentionally choosing these cases to give him his own domestic casus belli of...
I'm going to defy you.
mark groubert
Take it a step further.
It's also to get him to intimidate the Supreme Court.
They have to rule in his favor.
unidentified
Yes. To intimidate John Roberts.
mark groubert
To intimidate these people who are willing to vote against him.
I mean, why does John Roberts have two adopted children from freaking Wales?
I don't have two adopted children from Wales.
And he can't find the paperwork to prove that he adopted them?
tim pool
What, really?
mark groubert
That's right, friend.
That's right.
What? That's right.
tim pool
What do you mean he can't find the paperwork?
mark groubert
Well, he can't find the paperwork for the adoption of the two children from Wales.
unidentified
I'll leave it at that.
mark groubert
Why do you go to Wales to adopt children?
Let me ask you that, Tim.
If you were going to adopt children...
tim pool
From Latin America.
mark groubert
Latin America.
tim pool
Ireland born but adopted through Latin America.
Okay. Because Ireland has strict adoption laws.
mark groubert
That's right.
tim pool
They were private and conducted illegally, but they drew media scrutiny during a Supreme Court confirmation.
mark groubert
That's where I got it.
tim pool
No wrongdoing was ever found.
mark groubert
Well, draw your own conclusions.
tim pool
That's weird.
unidentified
Anyway, I think he's pushing everything to bring it to a head.
Every decision he's making is very popular to the public, and it will be a case of the public will demand that he does Andrew Jackson.
mark groubert
Yes. He's not going to go Andrew Jackson because they will call him a king, and this whole king moniker is now floating around because they hope the American people don't know the true power of the executive branch of the government.
That's why they're hoping that nobody learns that he does have that executive power.
tim pool
Interesting.
mark groubert
Interesting. But, I mean, what's going to happen?
I mean, you can't have a district court judge in San Francisco ruling on foreign policy.
tim pool
And we're having that in D.C. This is one of the craziest things I've ever seen.
Donald Trump has negotiated an arrangement with a foreign president.
A plane is in midair, and a judge instructs...
mark groubert
It's insane.
tim pool
It is beyond insanity to think, and this is what liberals and Democrats are arguing, that a president who's negotiated with a foreign government as to the extradition of non-citizen criminals and combatants would have to abide by a lower court city judge.
Imagine Trump goes to Putin and says, let's end the war in Ukraine.
Putin says, okay, deal.
I want you to get your special forces and weapons out of the country.
And Trump says, fine, the war is over.
And then they load up the plane, the plane takes off, and then a lower court judge says, turn that plane around and bring the weapons back.
mark groubert
Well, I mean, that was the whole...
tim pool
Who would ever negotiate with the president of the United States again?
mark groubert
Right, of course.
That was the whole point of the impeachment.
The two impeachments were designed so a local attorney general could not arrest a non-sitting president once he got out of office.
And here's Letitia James, and what's her name, down in Willis, down in Georgia, putting a mugshot up.
tim pool
The argument from the Democrats today is that any president in any foreign policy action needs to submit for approval from the lower courts.
That's their argument.
Trump is deporting non-citizens and they said you can't do it.
That would imply that Trump can't take any presidential executive actions on foreign policy or deportations without first asking a lower court for approval, putting the executive branch beneath the judicial branch.
mark groubert
Look, what I mentioned, what Mike Benz is doing, what I mentioned about Eugene Moret in the Bosnian judicial system, part of what the deep state has done around the world is install judges in positions of power in foreign countries as the backstop to whatever transitory leader they happen to elect in a phony election.
The judges are permanent.
Look at Bolas Naro.
Look at the situation there and what he's gone through.
That's the model.
The model is the Bolas Naro judge.
That's their model, Tim.
That's what they want.
tim pool
Yeah, but Trump is not...
He's a man of consequence.
He's no one to be trifled with.
mark groubert
Absolutely. And he also might be divinely inspired.
tim pool
I mean, when that bullet flew past his head and grazed his ear, that's a freaky moment.
Do you guys know about the George Floyd mural explosion?
mark groubert
No. I love telling the story.
tim pool
No, it's a few years ago.
But I'll show you photos because...
mark groubert
I can't believe they did away with BLM Plaza in Washington.
Yeah. That was amazing.
tim pool
So, take a look at this story.
George Floyd mural struck by lightning in Toledo, Ohio.
mark groubert
I do remember this now, yeah.
tim pool
They painted a picture of George Floyd on a wall with a crown.
Right. The center of the wall.
And only one layer of it was reportedly struck by lightning and exploded.
mark groubert
Okay. That's brilliant.
tim pool
There were some, I mean, look, this is the middle of the building.
unidentified
Wow. Beautiful.
mark groubert
That's divine.
tim pool
Or, so, I mean, look, part of me, when I saw this story, I said, get out of here, dude.
Someone went there with a hammer.
Sledgehammer. Somebody went there with a sledgehammer and busted that wall down and ran off, and then they just said, must have been lightning, because nobody wants to go after the guy because they all hated the mural.
That makes infinitely more sense.
mark groubert
Where do you stand on the pardon of the man who was convicted?
Chauvin? The Chauvin pardon.
tim pool
And his federal charges, he should be pardoned.
mark groubert
I agree.
tim pool
He should have never been convicted.
I agree.
I don't know that it's going to happen right now, and we had a Hotep Jesus on IRL, and he said, you can't do it.
He's like, it would just create a nightmare for this country politically.
Trump would lose popularity.
unidentified
So what's the political capital?
tim pool
Right. A lot of people in the black community don't know nothing about it, and they're just going to get angry, and they're going to riot.
So he was like, I was like, what do we do?
And he's like, I don't know, double the guy's cell, give him some beautiful women, bring the ladies in.
unidentified
Here's the problem.
Okay, let's say you do pardon him federal charges.
That brings him back to the state prison.
He might be able to serve better time in a federal prison than he is in the state prison.
He's going...
He's going to be in prison for life.
So Trump gets nothing out of it other than a headache and a few people who like the idea by pardoning on the federal charges.
The guy's gone for life.
mark groubert
It could help bring a retrial on appeals, though, if you're pardoned by the president of the United States.
tim pool
So taking a look at this George Floyd mural, they gave him a crown.
They put a crown on his head.
False idol.
And then we have this image of it being destroyed by lightning.
Maybe local officials, they said it was a lightning strike.
There were very few clouds in the area, but there were some.
I'm kind of leaning towards the local officials hated the mural and smashed it because, I mean, look at the building.
But what do you guys think?
Do you think, I don't know, maybe when Donald Trump turned his head, as he's standing there speaking and Guardian Angel just pushed his head forward a little bit to dodge the bullet, the George Floyd mural was destroyed by...
Divine intervention?
mark groubert
I think so.
I think you're onto something there.
I think both are divine intervention.
The fact that Trump came back for the second term is divine intervention.
Their plan was not to have to flee to Europe like they're doing now.
Their plan was to have her...
tim pool
Ellen? Or who, Rosie O'Donnell?
mark groubert
No, it's not.
It's now Courtney Love today.
They are the tip of the spear.
These people are fleeing.
tim pool
Courtney Love, though?
mark groubert
Yesterday announced she's giving up U.S. citizenship and moving to U.K. I'm telling you, this is a thing.
tim pool
Is it because she fears that Trump's going to investigate Kurt Cobain?
mark groubert
It's not a question of fear.
They have lost the war here.
tim pool
No, no, no, but what did Courtney Love do?
mark groubert
What do you mean?
tim pool
Courtney Love?
Is she concerned Donald Trump's going to investigate the death of Kurt Cobain?
mark groubert
Oh, no, well, I don't know about that, but she didn't really explain.
unidentified
She'll be missed.
mark groubert
Yeah, she'll be sorely missed.
But the point of the matter is, this is just the tip of the spear.
There is going to be movement of regular people, the people who lost their jobs in D.C. They're not going out to Kansas.
They're going to Europe.
That's where they're going.
That's their Soviet Union now.
That's where they're going to be, rooting for hate speech laws, censorship, socialist policies on spending.
Everything that we're going to face is going to be a new Cold War against the EU, Tim.
tim pool
Listen to what I'm saying.
mark groubert
This is a whole new Cold War.
They have nuclear weapons.
They want to put $800 billion now into a new military.
He wants to get out of NATO.
They're overthrowing duly elected presidents in Romania.
They want to take down Orban in Hungary.
This is the new Soviet Union.
tim pool
There have been questions I've seen on X and YouTube of people saying, if we do see an escalation of war, do we think the U.S. will align with European nations or with Russia?
mark groubert
That's the $600 million question.
Absolutely the biggest question going.
If he aligns himself, which is I think where this is going, this is where he wanted to go from day one, was in alignment with the Russians.
Because of economics.
Because of Christian background.
It's the largest Christian nation in the world, the Russian cultural system right now.
Russia is what the United States was in 1952.
That's what they reflect now.
tim pool
Between Russia and Europe, though, I don't see good guys.
You can make the argument that Russia as a country has got Christian background and they don't tolerate certain woke stuff, but then you've got Vladimir Putin who basically takes power for several decades.
mark groubert
How did he take power?
At the end of a gun?
I mean, he's got an 88% approval rating.
Why do they love a guy that took power at the barrel of a gun?
unidentified
They have a parliamentary system.
mark groubert
The guy was in and out of office.
Medvedev was in charge of it for a number of years.
He comes back like Trump, wins again, and yet we're supposed to believe...
tim pool
Which is between parliament and presidency.
Right. And when the Democrat machine was in power, the American people wanted that?
mark groubert
I don't know if they wanted it or didn't want it, but the fact of the matter is they do have elections there.
tim pool
Despite the fact that the United States government was bombing, invading, and blowing up, and the American people hated it the whole time, they kept winning, and the argument was the American people wanted it.
They never did.
mark groubert
Just to go back and give you an analogy of the Vietnam War, the Vietnam War had like an 81% or 79% approval rating when it first started.
It wore away over the years.
tim pool
But according to who?
mark groubert
According to any normal Gallup poll in the mid-60s.
tim pool
Mockingbird media?
mark groubert
No, no, I'm just talking about regular polling.
The people supported the Vietnam War.
tim pool
I don't believe the American people from its history were in a position to ever support war.
The founding of this country was not to get involved in foreign squabbles.
mark groubert
No, I understand that, but there are opinions on wars and intervention.
tim pool
But I don't think the American...
I don't believe that the American population was ever in support of foreign incursion.
I believe that it was manufactured from the U.S. military for its own interests.
mark groubert
Well, it's manufactured consent, you know, is the name of the book, if you want to take a look at it.
tim pool
We were a nation that said...
Leave us alone.
We got nothing to do with it.
And then World War I happens, and all of a sudden, for some reason, we're getting involved in that entanglement.
World War II happens.
I understand people might like to look back at World War II and think they know why the U.S. got involved.
They don't.
I got the Life magazines.
It is fascinating to read pre-D-Day Life magazine as to what the justification was for why we got involved in World War II.
Same as World War I. Hitler was a militaristic despot who was expanding power in Europe and attacking our allies.
People look back and think the Holocaust was a reason.
No, no, that was after the fact.
We find out what they're doing, and we're like, I think it's pretty good that we stopped these guys.
But the justification wasn't that in the beginning, though there were elements of it.
mark groubert
Well, we dragged our heels on all of these wars, for sure, because of the anti-war sentiment.
I don't doubt about it.
I mean, Churchill came and drank with FDR for 10 days, sleeping in his bathtub in the White House, completely drunk out of his mind until he got FDR.
To agree to the Lend-Lease program.
tim pool
Here's what I'm saying about Russia, about Europe, the United States.
The United States, I look into Donald Trump.
I voted for this man twice now.
I think he's doing good things because we've got a deeply unpopular bureaucratic state that has manipulated us.
It is the despotic machine that claims we support it when we don't.
There are people who live in and around D.C. who get paid.
As essentially nobility, the government funnels money through the USA.
mark groubert
They don't even go to an office.
tim pool
They don't.
There's big buildings that are facades.
mark groubert
You see as one big NGO.
tim pool
Right. The government funnels money to these billions of dollars so they can pay their buddies, so they can have parties, do drugs, and never work.
mark groubert
It's the Soviet Politburo.
It's the elites of the old Soviet Union.
tim pool
But that being said, with Europe, I see largely the same thing.
I think the reality of nations is the will of the people does not matter to anyone.
The idea that there is a nation on this planet where the will of the people is paramount is silly to me.
There's no way to track the statistics of such large populations.
This is why you get a politician who stands on stage and says, blue tie or red tie?
Well, you've got to have the right amount of scuff on your shoes.
Your tie has to be not too flashy because these minute, minor details may not matter to the individual.
But they matter at the macro because a.01% swing in the mind of an individual means nothing but a.01% swing to a nation of 300 million people can win you an election.
So now you have global leaders, be it Putin or otherwise, that just view you as an algorithmic field.
And they need to figure out how to game the algorithm to be the ones in power and get what they want.
The question is, how much does the population get to their benefit, depending on who the leader may be?
It may be based on what Europe has turned into from their leaders.
Russia is better.
But I still think Putin is no different than any other individual who wants power to impose their will and is willing to use force to get it.
mark groubert
Well, I'm just saying he's not this brutal dictator thug that people have painted him as.
If you watch Oliver Stone's documentary on Putin, you'll see a different Putin.
Same thing with Gaddafi.
Same thing with Saddam Hussein.
All of them are painted as these evil gangster warlord movie figures.
That's a part of our foreign policy is to paint them like that.
unidentified
Well, they kind of have to be a little bit, too.
I mean, if you keep in mind, look who crawled out when Saddam was knocked out.
Look who crawled out when Gaddafi was knocked out.
These people are not leading nice people underneath.
They have to be a bit of a strong man to suppress.
A lot of what's under them.
mark groubert
You could say the same about Margaret Thatcher or Merkel or any of them.
tim pool
Indeed. Yeah, I think the idea that politicians care about you, these are the people who go to the strip club thinking the stripper likes them.
mark groubert
Well, I think you have to delineate between politicians and leaders.
There might be a difference between the two.
tim pool
Indeed. I also think, well, as another funny point, did you guys know that for a long period the Disney villains were always British?
mark groubert
That's good, because they are villains.
I've said this on the show.
You should watch Taboo.
unidentified
The British!
mark groubert
Have you seen Taboo with Thomas Hardy?
It's about the War of 1812, set in London, and Americans are...
Yeah, the West Indian Company.
And Jonathan Price is the head of the West Indian Company.
And it's an interesting portrayal of the British, who I believe, MI5 and MI6, are some of the most evildoers of all of the intelligence operatives around the world.
unidentified
And CIA was built on MI6.
mark groubert
It was built from MI6.
I mean, they've been using us as their schoolyard bully since the end of World War II.
And they manipulate us.
They find the Anglophiles in the United States government, and they manipulate them to do their...
And it's brilliant on the part of the British, who have no army, have no money, have no power, and they get us to do their bidding, Tim.
tim pool
I think there's a lot of people who are...
Well, I think most people are naive in how they view global affairs and politics.
I got to give it up to a lot of the libertarians for having an extremely limited view.
I like libertarians because I think we want to have a lot of freedoms for the individual for practical, logical reasons.
A decentralized economic system is stronger than a centralized one.
The Soviet Union lasted 69 years.
Command economies don't work.
That being said...
The libertarian view of foreign policy, I agree with a great deal.
I don't think we should...
mark groubert
Which is what, hands-off?
tim pool
Me, I'm like an 80% hands-off kind of guy.
Libertarian's going to be 100%.
mark groubert
When does the other 20 kick in, in your humble opinion?
tim pool
It... When you're attacked?
So that's not foreign incursion.
We get attacked, we respond.
Okay. I said this.
If Iran...
The reports were Iran had a plot to assassinate Trump.
And I even got libertarians to agree with me on this one.
If the Iranians assassinate Trump, we declare warn Iran.
Instantly. No questions asked.
mark groubert
What if it's found out later it's a false flag?
tim pool
Then those people go to prison.
The people who engage in that false flag go to prison.
mark groubert
In other words, what if they're framing the Iranians?
tim pool
Exactly. And that's the challenge you face in global politics.
It's a Game of Thrones.
mark groubert
Trump's statement was pretty defiant regarding the Iranian assassination attempts.
He was saying that they will be obliterated, I think, was the language, right, Eric?
tim pool
If they tried to do it.
I think, so first...
Trump, he kills Soleimani.
Iran publicly stated they will get their revenge.
There were a lot of people that were like, no, it's a false flag.
They're trying to get us to war with Iran.
And I'm like, bro, the Ayatollah came out like, I will get you, Trump.
Trump killed Soleimani.
He killed their James Bond.
He killed their hero.
They obviously want to get him.
That may be they don't have the ability to do it, and it would be a false flag.
I don't know.
But, and I'm saying, if we definitively prove, and it's known beyond a reasonable doubt, here's the documents, here's the proof, not like, you know, passport fell out of a burning plane or whatever.
That's weird.
Would you allow the Iranians to develop a nuclear weapon as President Poole?
I think that question needs to be made in a bit more...
mark groubert
Do you stop Hitler from getting a nuclear weapon?
tim pool
It's tough.
It's hard to answer, isn't it?
mark groubert
I mean, the Rosenbergs went to the chair.
The Rosenbergs went to the electric chair for giving the Soviets the hydrogen and atomic bomb secrets.
tim pool
Yeah, you know, the big picture on foreign policy is the United States...
Here's what I wish I could believe, but I know I can't.
The United States wants to hold territory in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Putting pressure on Iran because Iran is a major supplier of weapons to militia groups and terrorist insurgents across the Middle East.
The United States wants to control these territories for their resources to provide the expansion of China economically, as the Chinese way of government and belief system is abhorrent.
They also want to put pressure on Russia because Vladimir Putin is more of a top-down, less of a – I wish I could believe all those things.
They want you to believe that the actions taken by the United States in Europe to defend Ukraine, to defend the Red Sea, are because we are the good guys trying to protect global order.
If only that were the case, I could be happy with it to a certain extent.
It's not.
It's Hunger Games-style capital city people living in and around D.C. who don't have jobs but get paid millions of dollars and live like kings off the backs of the working class, and they blow up foreign countries who dare oppose that system because we control the petrodollar at the barrel of a gun.
To a certain degree, you can argue that the foreign policy of the United States does maintain the American way of life, and we are wealthier than other people, but it is not all that good.
I hope in Donald Trump, and again, I don't think it's absolute, but I think it leans more in this direction.
We will get strong foreign policy, less likely to start wars, as we saw in his first term, with the actual intention of stopping the bad guys from holding ground.
mark groubert
Can we see an era of...
Of post-Trumpian politics also for another 10-12 years of his policies?
unidentified
I'm hoping that he's a Reagan.
mark groubert
You know what I mean?
tim pool
I hate Reagan.
mark groubert
Is it more than a one-off, Tim?
tim pool
I hope so, because if it's not the case, this country is going to...
mark groubert
We're going to go back to what happened.
tim pool
It's just a seesaw.
We're not going to go back.
It's going to be worse.
I wouldn't call it a seesaw.
I would call it a tower, beginning its left and right sway.
And every time it moves, the power increases exponentially until it falls over.
And I have no reason to believe that that's still not the case right now with Donald Trump.
Far leftists are engaged in acts of terror.
Every day now we have, I believe, 15 terror attacks on Tesla facilities.
We've got, did you see this video this morning?
It's going viral.
A woman was driving a Tesla, and a guy speeds past her, slams the brakes on in front of her, and gets out in a camo.
Pants and jacket with a balaclava on.
Wow. And then starts screaming at her to sell her car.
Wow. Okay, you know what happens?
You know what happens?
If this keeps happening, if you were in West Virginia and you sped past a car and slammed your brakes on and jumped out with a balaclava on, you will die in two seconds.
mark groubert
Well, they're doing it in Brooklyn, so it doesn't take that much courage to do it in Brooklyn.
It takes a lot more courage to do it here.
Well, they don't do it here.
tim pool
Well, this is Washington.
Okay. It was the one in Washington.
Okay. And she actually rolled her window down.
I think I talked to her.
And he yelled at her and saw the car.
And I'm like, lady, are you nuts?
Nuts. These vehicles have already been shot up.
On late night TV shows, Kimmel, Colbert, and Daily Show, the audiences cheer for the acts of terror, violence, and the attacks.
We have about 20 or so swattings on right-wing personalities.
mark groubert
How many swattings have you had personally?
15. 15?
tim pool
So it's substantially higher than that.
But since we've secured the facility...
mark groubert
With Promise and all these programs that we learned about, why can't they find the original source of the swatting through NSA or the technology we control now?
tim pool
It was during the Biden administration.
mark groubert
Yeah, no, I understand that.
Now, why can't we find the electronic source?
tim pool
It's been two months.
Okay. I cross my fingers that Dan and Cash will take it seriously.
mark groubert
Right, right.
tim pool
But I'm not surprised the Biden DOJ didn't try and stop us.
mark groubert
No, no, I agree.
I agree.
tim pool
Yeah. So we had 15 that were stated.
It's substantially higher than that.
We don't say them anymore because we've neutralized sweatings.
It's actually really simple.
There's multiple layers of defense you can implement, which I won't get into and describe.
The simplest one is you hire a private security company.
Right. So what happens when you get swatted this time?
mark groubert
A interface.
tim pool
Well, the cops know the security company because they're retired cops.
They don't even need to contact them.
You call the police department, put in a swatting call.
They go, really?
Tell me more.
They lean over and say, hey, call Bill.
And he goes, hey, Bill, how's the family?
And he goes, we're good.
And he goes, hey, you over at the Timcast thing?
They're like, yep.
How's it going over there?
Totally good.
I'll clear here.
Thanks. Bye.
mark groubert
Click. This is a multi-level operation that's going on now.
The burnings and attacks on Tesla cars.
Antifa-inspired events.
The swatting.
This is all in their playbook.
This is not something they're randomly grassroots coming up with out of the blue, Tim.
This is their scorched earth retreat of the Nazis in World War II back to Berlin.
tim pool
If Trump does not win in these four years, I believe it is extremely likely that should the Democrats regain power, the deep state, we'll all be in prison.
mark groubert
Absolutely. Absolutely.
I said this on the show many times.
We cannot allow them to get back in power for two to three generations.
We really can't because they will do what Tim is saying.
tim pool
The people who are watching, and the right is extremely naive, they're saying, they're not going to go to prison.
First, let me say, there were two assassination attempts on Donald Trump.
One. Indescribable.
Thomas Crooks, no idea.
Second, a Ukrainian war zealot, American leftist.
Right now, they are trying to kill right-wing personalities through swattings.
That's low-grade.
It is rare.
There's two deaths recorded from having been due to swattings, two, out of thousands.
So we don't see a high likelihood of death coming from this.
But if they are willing to imprison in solitary for years, People from January 6th, not rioters, people who walked onto the Capitol grounds, Owen Schroyer, who never even went in the building and had a permit to hold a rally, and they put him in prison and cited his speech.
If there are people who are...
mark groubert
The walk-away guy.
tim pool
Also never went in the building.
So... There are people right now saying, that's not going to happen.
I just say, you are naive.
mark groubert
You're dreaming.
I mean, the fact of the matter is, transitory justice is what Mike Benz uncovers in the USAID memos about putting your enemies into jail.
There's actually phraseology that we use in the documents on how to deal with your enemies in foreign countries that USAID is invested in.
And that involves putting your former president in jail in Poland or in Hungary or in Romania or in Brazil.
That's what they're doing here.
It's a thing called transitory justice.
tim pool
There was a – I made a video about it that's going to be coming up on my YouTube channel and rebel channel, the Tim Kast channel, where someone made social media posts that they envisioned what it would be like if a civil war were to have happened in the United States today.
They created a whole bunch of images.
It's actually really interesting to look at what it would look like because it terrifyingly still looks similar to what's going on today.
mark groubert
There's a movie called It Can Happen Here.
I think it was a 1964 British film where the Nazis have won the war and they're running the UK.
tim pool
So the reason I bring this up is if you look at these posts, one of the ideas in the...
So the story that this person's crafted is after the election...
Right. Right.
and then order the Democrats to win.
Right. Trump flees to Florida to hold the people's inauguration.
One of the threads envisioned is the
So it's all based on what social media would look like.
So it's really fascinating.
A mega thread on Reddit saying how to report subversive pro-MAGA to the authorities.
And the thread is basically saying if people are supporting Trump, report them to have them arrested.
Because they're seditionists, they're conspiracists.
They have to be stopped.
It's a civil war.
The scary thing about it is if I went back five years, I always do the time travel test with this.
And showed a social media post from Reddit that said, Donald Trump shot in the side of the head, survived assassination attempt.
If you went back three years and showed it to people, three years, they'd say, bullshit.
Yeah. That's ridiculous.
mark groubert
Or back-to-back assassination attempt.
tim pool
Back-to-back attempts.
If you went back eight years to Trump's first term with a news story from 2024 and the picture of Trump with blood, they'd say, that can never happen.
mark groubert
Well, they would say it was doctored.
tim pool
Well, not that it's a doctor because if you went to someone eight years ago and said, hey, in eight years, someone's going to shoot at Donald Trump.
He's going to narrowly miss the bullet.
They'll say, OK, shut up.
And I know that because that's what everyone said to me.
Now, here we are today.
And when I see these posts on social media where they're like, here's what civil war could look like.
They make these social media posts where it says like Kamala Harris.
Calls for the formation of the citizens like the CIUA or whatever to report MAGA seditionists.
And the comments on Reddit are like, it's about time Democrats stood up to these fascists.
You see those posts and you're like, we see those posts today.
We see people online saying free Luigi and cheering for acts of terror.
So if it were to escalate to a point where Democrats were calling for the federal authorities to arrest Tim Pool, Stephen Crowder, Glenn Greenwald, I know he's in Brazil, but like extradite go after these people.
Democrats online would be like, thank you.
mark groubert
Absolutely. Jimmy Kimmel would be cheering tonight on his show.
tim pool
Yep. He'd go on his show and be like...
mark groubert
Anybody who doubts that is naive, like you're saying.
tim pool
Conspiracy seditionists trying to overthrow this country finally got caught.
It's about time Democrats did that.
mark groubert
I believe that there's some sort of MKUltra 2.0 program that has indoctrinated these people into these insane beliefs that make no sense.
And when you start to talk to any of them, their eyes get glazed over, Tim.
If you go down one level in their arguments, they get like a glazed look in their eyes and they can't explain their positions.
Like, what is the policy of Trump that you don't support?
Well, I just don't like him.
He's a fascist.
unidentified
It doesn't get any other level below that.
mark groubert
And I think it came through the television somehow that they were able to come up with a program to disseminate the new MKUltra 2.0 through...
Some communication, and it could be social media.
It could be social media, but I think it may be more centralized than that.
tim pool
I think it's actually just natural human phenomenon.
I think that there are some people that are predisposed to...
I think the left is comprised of the fearful and the wrathful.
There are people on the left who are terrified.
Bill Burr is a really great example.
I believe the reason Bill Burr comes out and says free Luigi is because he looked at his bank account and said...
They're killing the rich.
I'm one of those guys.
I better say I'm on their side so they don't come after me.
He's a coward.
That's why he keeps doing this.
mark groubert
Well, he also has a big, fat, black leftist wife, so you don't have that.
tim pool
So he has arguably the same net worth of the UnitedHealth CEO who was killed.
Okay. Now he's saying, yeah, you guys, oh, yeah, he's totally on board.
He's a coward.
He is terrified that they would come after him.
mark groubert
There's an anti-healthcare group in Minnesota that was going after this company, having sit-ins, doxing them for the past two years.
They had to go to court a number of times.
I think Luigi was part of that group.
They targeted this CEO.
They targeted the company.
They had all kinds of physical...
Takeovers of the building in Minnesota.
I believe at the end of the day he was connected to them in some way.
They're like an eco-terrorist group in healthcare.
tim pool
So the left is people like Bill Burr who are scared and pretending to be involved and then wrathful people who are just angry and like a swarm of bees just point me in a direction and I'll go.
mark groubert
How did they become a swarm of bees?
That's what I'm getting at.
They always were a swarm of bees?
tim pool
These individuals that are stupid.
mark groubert
I mean, how are they infiltrating Republican town hall meetings in the middle of Montana?
tim pool
Well, they're not.
Some people are genuinely angry.
mark groubert
Right, but they've kind of been outed as being part of a movement to put them in there.
tim pool
Well, if that's the case, then...
unidentified
Well, there's astroturfing, to be sure.
mark groubert
Right. I mean, there's astroturfing.
tim pool
I mean, I think those are always going to weaken your position.
When you start claiming that...
They've fabricated these protests.
The way they fabricate them is not the way that people think.
mark groubert
I mean, people have found ads on Craigslist, you know, $40.
I mean, those are not real.
Fake. You think those are fake?
tim pool
Absolutely. Okay.
And conservatives fall for this, and it discredits you.
Okay. So, I'll put it this way.
Let's say a trove of emails gets released, and there's some weird language in it that's hard to know what it is.
You are concerned.
Because they're your emails that people are going to find out that you and your buddy have been doing a bunch of drugs.
What? So let's say you and your company, all your emails get released, and you're basically using slang for drugs.
How would you get people, as they're sharing all these files, to how would you ruin that movement?
You would sow false information into the movement to push them in the other direction.
Okay. So what ends up happening with Pizzagate is you get the DNC emails released.
And they're talking about a bunch of weird things like, what does it say, playing dominoes on pizza or pasta.
Now, to anybody who knows anything about drug culture, typically when you're on something, you're on drugs.
And we know that people in government are on a lot of drugs.
They do coke and they have orgies all the time down there, as Madison Cawthorn told us.
And we got videos from that one guy in the Senate building.
mark groubert
That was a good video.
How did you like that one?
tim pool
Wow. So you have an email that comes out saying, okay, these are real DNC emails.
Who are they leaked by?
You've now got people making claims, are digging into trying to figure out what you're doing.
You are a week away from them figuring out you've got bags of blow up the wazoo, literally at these parties.
So you get a bunch of your buddies to go on social media.
Fabricate some evidence, make it sound as crazy as possible and push them in the direction.
What ends up happening?
A guy shows up to a pizza joint in D.C. and shoots a rifle under the ground.
mark groubert
Oh, yeah, but the Democratic Party is tens of thousands of those guys at pizza joints showing up.
tim pool
Well, it wasn't a Democrat.
It was a guy who was exposed.
mark groubert
No, no, but I'm saying the version now is tens of thousands of them doing what the guy did to show up at the pizza place.
tim pool
I think the emails that we got proved that Democrats were having orgies and doing drugs.
Right. Which is untoward and a scandal that would destroy their lives but was not human trafficking.
They cede false information where they say, actually, pizza means boy and pasta means girl, which came from nowhere.
That came from nowhere.
Because I was investigating all the stuff that was going on.
That claim originated from nowhere.
There is the claim that cheese pizza, which was the acronym CP, was an association to porn.
And they used that to trick people.
Instead of investigating what was actually going on with the deep state and the disgusting things they were doing, they got a guy to show up at a pizza place and shoot the floor.
mark groubert
Well, if you looked at the other emails of the Clinton aide that had those documents, his other emails have some really bizarre phraseology.
tim pool
And I think it's largely related to drug use.
mark groubert
Okay. You can say that.
All right.
It's related to something because they don't make linguistic sense.
tim pool
Absolutely. Like, I found a handkerchief with a map on it.
Whose was it?
mark groubert
Right. I get it.
I mean, but it could be pedophilia, too.
tim pool
Sure could, but likely to be in D.C. that we know they are having orgies and doing drugs.
mark groubert
Okay. So what is— You're saying it's a question of degree of depravity.
tim pool
Well, I say this.
It's a question of— Abortuary by degree.
Follow the evidence.
Don't make a conclusion and then look for evidence to support your claim.
You should look at what was there.
What we had there was coded language in emails.
We didn't know what they were.
And then one day, I remember the whole narrative shifted.
All of a sudden, when the WikiLeaks emails got dropped and we were all investigating this stuff, someone claimed these code words mean this thing.
It appeared on 4chan with no backing, no evidence.
It was a 4chan screenshot.
There was no FBI documents.
There was no glossary.
There was no reason to believe these words meant these things.
All of a sudden, the zeitgeist, the cultural phenomenon that was digging into the WikiLeaks emails.
Change their tune on untoward behavior in D.C. into a pizza place.
Several miles out, you know, in Georgetown or whatever.
mark groubert
Well, by the way, where are the Seth Rich emails that people are yelling about?
March 10th, it was supposed to be the release of some Justice Department documentation on Seth Rich.
That time came and went.
I don't know what happened to that.
And the server that had the emails on them by Hillary Clinton that we're discussing, that server was taken by Aparovitch and CrowdStrike, a former Soviet...
A union member.
tim pool
There's a lot of weird things.
Particularly, there was the woman who was murdered in D.C. who happened to look a whole lot like Ilhan Omar's flings ex-wife.
Really weird story.
mark groubert
That's a weird story.
tim pool
You know about this one?
mark groubert
I don't know about the woman, but isn't she really his brother?
Her brother?
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
She did marry her brother.
That's another story.
tim pool
Ilhan Omar was dating a guy.
Right. The guy was married.
Right. The guy was married to a middle-aged redhead.
In that neighborhood...
An Ethiopian guy, I think Ethiopian, maybe Eritrean, ran up and brutally stabbed a redheaded middle-aged woman who looked just like this guy's wife.
mark groubert
Wow, case of mistaken assassination.
tim pool
Well, that's the conspiracy theory.
Nobody knows.
mark groubert
What happened with the Alex Jones reporter?
Is there any news on anything?
tim pool
Reportedly, he came home to find people burglarizing his vehicle and they shot him.
mark groubert
Could be.
Happens in LA every night.
tim pool
Just to wrap up my point on the Pizzagate stuff is it's extremely easy to trick people into sounding like morons and ruining their investigation.
mark groubert
So you think it's a disinformation campaign, right?
tim pool
Oh, absolutely QAnon.
You get a document that comes out with coded language and you don't want people as they're...
You can see they're digging a tunnel and you're looking down like they're 20 feet away from me.
How can I get them to turn left?
That's what they want you to do.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. The story is really weird.
The guy's got weird social media posts, and there are weird things about all that stuff.
mark groubert
There's one thing I have to say about the CIA.
They are the tool of who's ever in power, left or right at the time.
And when there hasn't been strong leadership, that's when they go out on their own to do their own foreign policy.
In general, I'm speaking in broad strokes.
If you have a tough leader, they usually will do his bidding.
Left or right, Tim?
And if there's very, like a Jimmy Carter, let's say, these guys say, ah, this guy's a pussy.
We've got to do what we've got to do here, boys.
And that's where it really runs astray.
unidentified
Or a Biden?
mark groubert
Or a Biden, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah. Well, my point ultimately is what I see happening, should Trump lose the midterms?
mark groubert
Look, go ahead.
The midterms are the most important thing.
tim pool
If the Republicans lose the midterms, Trump will be impeached.
If the MAGA movement does not win right now, I mean, we've got a year.
mark groubert
Now? Not in two years?
tim pool
They're going to just lie and make things up, and they're going to say Joe Rogan was caught with NFA items at his house, and then they're going to go to him, and they're not going to play the game of, like,
time for prison, Joe.
They're going to say, you are not going to say these things.
And you will get permission from us.
Otherwise, what's that?
I found a machine gun in your house.
And he's going to be like...
And they're going to be like...
It doesn't matter what you say.
We found NFI items at your house.
unidentified
So you're saying Joe Rogan will be Bill Burr?
tim pool
I don't think Joe Rogan will be Bill Burr.
I think what's going to happen is...
If you guys have read Tales of an Economic Hitman...
Yeah, they're going to start with...
Hey, look, we're trying to...
Keep this country together.
We want to play nice.
Please help us in securing this country.
mark groubert
Well, I'll give you an example, just to bring it around full circle.
This is a guy named Buell Wesley Frazier, right?
He worked with Oswald.
He drove him to work every day.
He's the guy that came up with a curtain rod story.
They went into his house, and they found a.301 British Enfield in his house with ammo, and they said, we're charging you with the murder of the president.
And he said, what?
And they said, unless you cooperate with us and do what we tell you about this curtain rod story, you are going to the electric chair in Huntsville.
I swear to God.
They did a lie detector on him twice.
He was physically arrested.
He was interrogated for hours until they flipped this guy because he had that rifle.
tim pool
You're going to hear—they'll just make it up.
So there was a guy, he's getting—they're trying to get his pardon because Trump pardoned Jay Sixers.
One of these guys was investigated because of J6.
mark groubert
For weapons.
tim pool
No, they investigated for J6, but then claimed they found a grenade.
Right. And so now he's in prison for the grenade, not for J6.
They're saying he can't be pardoned because of it.
The lawyers argued the pardon applies because the investigation was sourced by J6.
Now that's a totally different charge.
That's what's going to happen.
They're going to, first of all, the Biden administration, or the Democrats, whatever you want to call them, the deep state, should they regain control?
In whatever form it takes, I don't know, Pete Buttigieg.
They're going to start raiding.
It's going to be multifaceted, but it's going to play to the fears and the narrative of the liberal personalities.
YouTube is already propping up some of the biggest left-wing personalities to oppose Trump.
Right now, Joe Rogan is rivaled by a prominent leftist liberal podcast.
You can see, if you open up a new computer and go to YouTube, they always have and always will.
They promote...
Pro-establishment machine state personalities who lie all the time.
mark groubert
Getting back to the midterms for a second, because it is the most important event in American history coming up.
The control that you're talking about and the shift of power will happen in the state of California because we have laws that allow for the long count.
The long count allows us to count any election for up to three weeks, four weeks at times in the ballots.
So that's by law.
That's by constitution of the state of California.
What has to be done is the federal elections have to be taken to the Supreme Court of the California law.
Just the Fed.
They have stolen in this past Trump red wave where he flipped county after county after county in the state of California.
We still lost three congressional seats that they stole in the state of California.
The reversal of the House of Representatives in these midterms are going to happen in the state of California.
That case has to be put together when he's got to solicit a general.
I think it's going to be this guy Sauer, but he was just confirmed the other day.
That case, that small case, has to be brought to the Supreme Court about the long count regarding congressional elections, Tim.
tim pool
We can't answer everything today, but we are just about out of time.
So I want to thank you guys for hanging out and having the conversation.
It was a lot of fun.
We're going to be sending all of you guys watching to Jeremy Hambly over at The Quartering.
Luke Rutkowski is going to be hanging out.
So shout out to those guys.
mark groubert
I've been on Luke's show.
tim pool
Luke's fantastic.
He's a good friend I've known forever.
You can follow me on X and Instagram at TimCast.
We're back tonight at 8pm at rumble.com slash TimCast IRL.
Did you want to shout anything out before we go?
mark groubert
Yeah, it's America's...
America's Untold Stories.
We're on later today on YouTube, Rumble and Locals, right?
America's Untold Stories.
I am at Lord Buckley on X, L-O-R-D-B-U-C-K-L-Y, Mark Robert, Eric Hunley.
He's over here.
You could see us today at 5.30 on our own channel.
tim pool
Right on.
mark groubert
I'm covering more of the Kennedy stuff.
tim pool
Anything you wanted to add?
unidentified
I'm at Humley Eric on X. Again, America's Untold Stories, 5.30 p.m. Eastern, every Tuesday and Friday.
Tuesday and Friday.
We'll be digging into more JFK files to start off in the rest of the news.
Today at 5.30.
On Tuesday, we're going to be going to Mark Lane, one of the most important investigators in the JFK.
mark groubert
Yeah, Tuesday's going to be Mark Lane, one of the original JFK investigators.
tim pool
Interesting. Gentlemen, thanks so much for hanging out.
It's been a blast.
Fantastic. For everybody else, we'll see you all tonight at 8 p.m.
We do have a couple more segments coming up today, available on my TimCast channel.
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