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Dec. 6, 2024 - The Culture War - Tim Pool
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Black Supremacy, Rebuilding The Black Community & Family

Tim Pool is joined by King Randall & Maj Toure to discuss rebuilding Black culture in America.   Host: Tim Pool @Timcast (everywhere) Guests: King Randall | https://linktr.ee/thexforboys Maj Toure | https://www.givesendgo.com/solutionary Producers:  Lisa Elizabeth @LisaElizabeth (X) Kellen Leeson @KellenPDL (X)

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tim pool
So did you guys ever see that, I think it was a Smithsonian graphic about white supremacy and then it showed a bunch of little pictures of white people around things that they do and it said being on time, planning for the future, even keeping a schedule, was white supremacy?
maj toure
100% white supremacy.
unidentified
Hey, white folks doing what they need to do.
tim pool
Yeah, because Asian people don't do any of that.
Black people don't do any of that.
Mexicans, nobody has a concept of time except for white people, apparently.
maj toure
Definitely not.
The Indians, not the Mayans.
unidentified
I think the white people, they just got better marketing, man.
tim pool
Yeah, the Mayans didn't have any concept of time at all.
They didn't calculate well far into the future or anything like that.
unidentified
Not at all.
tim pool
So, the provocative and evocative title, Black Supremacy.
maj toure
Yeah.
tim pool
You're building the black family and the community.
You guys want to introduce yourself and tell me what it's all about?
unidentified
Yeah, sure.
I'm King Randall, founder of the Expo Boys program.
I work with kids in the black community mainly, but I work with all-color children.
I'm in Albany, Georgia.
But yeah, black supremacy, I think if we actually take hold to that and stop worrying about what white people are doing, I think we could actually take back our communities.
Right, 100%.
maj toure
Maj Touré, founder of Black Guns Matter, Solutionary Lifestyle.
Black supremacist.
LAUGHTER You know, it's funny that you say it this way, man, because, like, when you unfold it and unravel it, this concept that, like, excellence and or scheduling and time and science and math is the monopoly of one group of people is the wildest concept ever.
So, yeah, I think that's a new thing.
unidentified
I think we should make shirts and raise funds off of the shirts Black supremacists and then get a whole gang of white people I think white people would support it because most of the stuff that we fuss at them about being good at, we should be good at too.
Like being on time, taking care of your family, actually being there for your kid.
You know what it is?
It's just the marketing, man.
maj toure
That's what I was going to say.
I actually think it's what the vast majority of all people do, but I don't know.
Once you get on the leftist side of the media conversation, they put a slant on it that I just...
They're just good at propaganda.
That's just the reality.
unidentified
You gotta be good at propaganda to make your stuff work.
So, I'm pulling up the photo, actually.
tim pool
Because we didn't actually talk about it beforehand, but you guys made me think of it.
Yeah.
Because it's a classic.
But how about before we get started?
I mean, King Randall, you had a viral video recently.
Elon Musk was shouting you out.
Do you want to just break that down and then we'll jump over to it?
unidentified
Yeah, so I did an experiment, and this experiment consisted of me saying on one video that I was going to vote for Kamala Harris, and the other video I was going to vote for Donald Trump.
Now, my following, I call it rainbow because you can't not like what we're doing with kids.
So we have a plethora of Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Mexican, white, whatever.
And so I shared this video just to see what the reactions would be because...
Most black people or just people on the left side will claim that Trump supporters are this and that.
Not saying that there aren't bad Trump supporters or hateful people, but this video that I made saying I was going to vote for Kamala Harris, most of the Trump supporters that support me were like, well, that's okay.
We're going to still support what you're doing.
Maybe you'll come around one day, but we still love the work you're doing for kids.
The video I said I was going to vote for Donald Trump, I lost like 3,000 followers.
They was all in my inbox calling me all types of names.
I have no business working with kids and I hate black people.
I'm not for the people, etc., etc., all because of a politician.
I've explained to people before that I guess federal politicians have nothing to do with your regular community, your everyday community.
My big thing is working in your local politics.
I just got appointed to three boards in our local hometown.
But these boards are important because they actually make things happen that you see every day.
So people are out voting for president and fussing about the president and don't even know who your mayor is.
Have no idea what ward you live in, who your city commissioner is, who to call when something happens, etc.
So we're doing all this fussing about the presidency, which they're making us do on purpose, of course, because they're controlling the minds of the people through social media.
But we've lost our minds about our actual local community, and we've forgotten about going to pick up trash on the side of the road, or the kid next door that needs to learn how to read, or people that you can help in your area around you.
But we've fussed about the president, like...
Telling our friends we don't want to talk to them no more.
Unfollowing people, etc.
I don't care what kind of work you're doing.
You like Trump or you voted for Trump.
Like, dude, this is a politician, man.
But, you know, we worshiping politicians now and I think we've lost our minds.
So Elon shared the video and gathered us a lot of support with that.
Of course, a lot of hate, too.
We get hate because...
Oh, we hate Elon.
He don't like black people.
He's just sharing it just for optics.
I'm like, well, these optics have helped these black kids in this majority black town.
So while y'all running y'all mouth about how he's a white man supporting a black organization, he's apparently racist.
I'm like, well, he just helped these kids with...
All this stuff that we needed for these kids.
We've given these parents laundry detergent, underwear, shirts.
We got new printers.
We got pencils, calculators, etc.
All this stuff that they've sent to support our organization that's going to black kids.
I'm like, so are you happy or sad?
Do you want the kids helped or not?
And I don't care how the help gets here.
tim pool
It just goes to show how racist they are and that they look at people based on their skin color because, of course, Elon, he's an African-American.
unidentified
Hey, man, black people can't be racist.
We understand it already.
Black people, we are not racist.
We can't be racist, apparently, because we have no way to affect the power structure behind hurting white people.
That's the idea.
We can't be racist because we're not in power, quote-unquote.
maj toure
But that's really the psyop, because I can be racist.
I can be whatever I want to be.
You're trying to, low-key, on a subtle level, steal somebody's agency to say, only this group of people can have a monopoly or produce this particular thing.
Even if it's right, wrong, left, it doesn't matter.
If I get to say, you are never going to be that empowered...
To be in a space where you could stop somebody from having any type of movement, you in essence trying to psychologically trick me into believing I don't have a certain level of autonomy.
tim pool
That's crazy.
To break that down, what the left is saying when they say black people can't be racist, and then you ask them, what does that mean?
It says, well, racism is prejudice plus power.
maj toure
Right.
tim pool
They're basically saying it is impossible for black people to have power.
maj toure
Right.
unidentified
You're not smart enough.
You're not smart enough.
You're not good enough.
You're too weak.
You're too stupid.
They don't believe you're capable of it.
So black people, oh, we can't be racist, blah, blah, blah, blah.
We don't have no power.
I know black mayors.
I know black councilmen.
Is that not power?
Sure.
You know, so again, I believe we have much capability of being powerful, but if you keep convincing people that we have none and relying on politicians, etc., and keep telling us, oh, well, white people are the reason for everything that's happening right now.
Sure, racism has played a part in, you know, different things that are happening now, but at the same time...
We are destroying our own community, in my opinion.
Like, we have a building out in the projects right now.
I have to keep the gates locked.
I have to do all this stuff.
We're helping black kids in this neighborhood, but ask me what.
They won't stop busting out the glass.
We put a new basketball court out there for the kids.
They put foam board all over it.
They leave trash everywhere, etc., etc.
Ain't no white people coming to bust the glass out the basketball goes.
Ain't no white people leaving all the trash out there in the neighborhood.
We come out, there's beer bottles everywhere, etc.
We won't take care of our own stuff.
And then we like to say, oh, well, white people, they like to be slumlords to black people.
When are you not a slumlord in the black community?
To be frank, because every time I go to the black community, we don't take care of our own stuff.
maj toure
I think it's twofold to that, though.
I'm going to give you some pushback.
unidentified
Go ahead.
maj toure
I believe...
Like, if I want to serve somebody drugs and not get caught, I serve them third person, right?
I believe that there are—this is where extreme leftists kind of got a nugget of truth.
If a system has been created to make people respond a certain way, and that system that's been created and indoctrinated and forced people into the system, right?
Mm-hmm.
There becomes a generational ignorance and the actions and deeds because of that start to manifest.
And I wasn't there selling the drugs, but it's my work.
unidentified
Right.
maj toure
So if I create it, it's like it's like there's a book called.
Damn, what's the name of this book?
I forget the name of it.
But anyway, it talks about how the financial structure as it relates to real estate with redlining and all of that.
It speaks to there were things put in place that even if you got financing and you were, this is back in the day, you could not sell the color of law.
I think that's what it is.
The color of law.
You could not sell rent or lease houses in these complexes to black people.
Because one of the biggest ways of generational wealth is home ownership.
unidentified
Right.
maj toure
So...
The people that don't think about home ownership, that have been told to not think about home ownership, because there was a system in place that said, even if I'm the cool white dude that got the financing to build a suburban enclave, I can't sell it to you.
That level of racism, and it happened to be white people doing that, that exists.
Now when you trickle down to a point where it's however many generations later, And that group of people don't think about home ownership?
I can't leave out that systemic part that created that over time.
This does not absolve the person of their individual whatever.
But I think it's real crafty to the point of being able to say, you can't be racist.
Almost like selling to me this concept.
But it's so devious and devious.
Dastardly because it's invisible.
It's almost invisible.
unidentified
It is.
maj toure
You get what I'm saying?
unidentified
I get it.
maj toure
You know what I mean?
tim pool
Let me pull up this thing.
I think the Smithsonian had this.
This is hilarious.
Talking about race.
And as I'm reading this, I'm like, was this thing made by white supremacists to convince black people and minorities to not improve their lives or something?
This is really weird.
It says aspects and assumptions of whiteness and white culture in the United States.
White dominant culture or whiteness refers to the ways white people and their traditions, attitudes and ways of life have been normalized over time and are now considered standard practices in the United States.
And since white people still hold most of the institutional power in America, we have all internalized some aspects of white culture, including people of color.
Well, let's take a look at.
What they think white culture is.
Rugged individualism.
So if you're a libertarian, you're a white supremacist.
It doesn't say white supremacy.
It says white whiteness.
So, of course, there can be no Latino, Asian, black, Indian libertarians.
The individual is the primary unit.
Self-reliance, independence, and autonomy highly valued and rewarded.
Individuals assumed to be in control of their environment.
You get what you deserve.
Now, okay, fine.
Make arguments about collectivism versus whatever you want.
But the next one's hilarious.
the nuclear family Father, mother, 2.3 children is the ideal social unit.
The husband is the breadwinner and head of the household.
Wife is homemaker and subordinate to the husband.
Children should have own rooms and be independent.
You know, it's kind of wild because it's not even about like minorities in the United States.
You can go to India.
You can go to Asia.
There are people who aren't white that have families.
Sorry, like everybody on the planet had families.
And this is the ideology they've been pushing.
Now, I do think it's largely crushed that This was hugely embarrassing to them, and then Donald Trump ends up winning and the Republicans get a big sweep just a couple weeks ago.
But look at this.
Objective, rational, linear thinking.
Cause and effect relationships.
maj toure
Well, that's not real.
It's not real.
There's no way that this is real.
unidentified
It can't be.
It's this literal human stuff.
tim pool
Cause and effect relationships.
If you realize that when the sun comes up and then the water comes down, the plants grow, white supremacy.
unidentified
Man, you know what?
The only reason I know this is real stuff, and I know you're not as big as fan.
I'm not necessarily either, but I watched a documentary Matt Walsh did just to see what it was about.
It's actual classes that people are paying for to de-center their whiteness.
Like, they feel like they're truly at fault for being white.
So they are taking classes to help themselves be less internally racist because they're like, well, you may not be racist on the surface.
This is a black lady teaching the class.
Like, you may not be racist on the surface, but you might not know that you're internally racist.
You're not paying any attention.
So they are paying for classes to become less white.
I don't get it.
tim pool
I just want to, real quick, show you the proof, okay?
This is the Miami Herald, 2020. Smithsonian Museum apologizes for saying hard work and rational thought is white culture.
They had to apologize over this.
That's crazy, man.
maj toure
So, let them white people that do that, absolutely.
Keep spending the money to anybody that, if you want to relieve yourself of your guilt, cool.
unidentified
Cool.
maj toure
You know what else you could do?
You could go to x4boys.com and you could donate to the work that King Randall is doing to exorcise some of these demons of racism.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
Yeah, but you know, this is the crazy thing.
You're completely correct, but then they end up giving their money to BLM so they can buy big houses.
maj toure
The bugged out part is, this is the reason why I get so upset at a lot of conservative and liberty movement folks.
We don't highlight the people that are doing the type of work that could need the funding and it winds up going over to we get this six million dollar mansion because we told white people some goofy shit or stuff.
unidentified
Hey man, we gotta say stuff that get clicked.
So the one thing that hurts us like that do work is sometimes what we're doing doesn't get all the clicks.
So saying the outlandish stuff and saying, you know, you're going super far right or super far left, that's what gets you on the shows.
That's what gets That's what gets you shown.
But the work every day doesn't get shown like that because what it does is if they put me on the platform, right, or if they bring me to the GOP convention or whatever like that, now it's going to show that you actually have to do something to change the community.
Not have a podcast.
Right.
maj toure
Right.
unidentified
Not talk about it, not write a book.
There's actually things that you could do to actually change the community and it's already being done.
So they make money off of selling to the people, you know, the idea of doing work, the idea of what could be done or the idea of I think they actually benefit from us not doing any work because it gives them something to talk about.
Right.
I don't give them anything to talk about.
maj toure
This was the Miami Herald?
tim pool
No, no, no.
Smithsonian.
maj toure
Smithsonian made the actual pay.
tim pool
The National Museum of African American History and Culture at the Smithsonian.
So I got to pulp a little bit more of this because this is wild.
Look at this.
Obviously, time following a rigid time schedule is white supremacy.
Planning for the future.
Here's one that's really funny.
Steak and potatoes bland is best.
Like, I'm sorry, dude.
We have, like, what's that guy?
Mario Vitale.
You got Emeril.
You got Gordon Ramsay.
What's this weird thing these leftists have with, like, white people don't like eating food?
I don't understand that.
Man's attractiveness is based on economic status, power, and intellect.
Holidays based on Christian religions.
That's not white.
There's big Christian nations that are not white.
Look at South America.
Based on white history and male leaders.
Competition.
Be number one action-oriented.
Must always do something about a situation.
This whole thing is just trying to convince non-white people to not work, sit around, complain, reject authority, and basically destroy their culture.
unidentified
I think this keeps white people in power.
So I would assume a white supremacist wrote this.
Now, there are some black people, if the right leftists share it, they're going to...
This is the truth.
And people are gullible and naive enough to believe that this is the truth that we need in our community.
Like, no, we should do everything the opposite of what grandma and granddad taught us.
Because apparently, according to this, my grandma's a white supremacist.
My granddad's a white supremacist.
Being on time, Christian, hard work, etc.
I mean, this is stuff I teach my sons on a daily basis.
maj toure
This list made it.
Like, quality control, right?
unidentified
Exists.
maj toure
This list made it, like, through.
Like, nobody was...
It's almost like the Jaguar commercial.
Like, this made it to...
tim pool
Yeah, I think the Jaguar commercial was on point, though.
I think they know what they're doing.
How?
We talked about it on IRL, but I'll ask you this.
maj toure
Oh, who buys the Jag?
tim pool
Who buys the Jag?
Oh, okay.
It's upscale...
So it's people who live in cities and people who have a lot of money.
And we've already seen since 2016 that's been trending heavily towards wokeness.
So they're looking at wealthy, liberal, anti-Trump people who sold their Teslas.
And they're like...
maj toure
Look, you need this.
tim pool
The man in the fine suit smoking a cigar is not the guy buying the jack anymore.
That guy's voting for Donald Trump.
He's not living in this.
So what do they do?
They're targeting the new demographic.
maj toure
I see it.
Just to me, in my brain, this, that commercial, if it gets all the way through...
Stage one, absolutely not.
It's usually where they die first.
Why would you even bring this to the office?
This is dumb.
Get it out of here.
It got it through there.
It got it through there.
It got it all the way to, now if I go to the gym and if I have a good work ethic, somebody believed that this is the monopoly of white people.
Now, if you're offended by this, and you should be to a certain extent, you should in essence go like what we did with BGM. I don't care who you said this is for.
This Second Amendment thing, this being on time, this being in the gym, this working hard thing, that's mine now.
Whoever main man was that thought it was the monopoly of the whites.
Whoever that is, I don't care what he thought.
Like, if you're offended by this, I think it shouldn't just stay at offended.
You should go, cool.
Like, if you happen to be black, alright, cool.
I'm white.
Kiss my white ass.
I'm doing all of this now.
unidentified
Well, I think we can self-identify now.
So, I guess according to this, I have to identify as a white man.
tim pool
Well, did you vote for Joe Biden?
unidentified
I cannot confirm nor deny it.
tim pool
Come on, you know.
I mean, Joe Biden said it outright.
unidentified
If you don't vote for him, you're not black.
I have to identify as black.
maj toure
I think that this stuff is actually masterful.
unidentified
It is.
I agree.
maj toure
On a different level because the audacity of it and the obvious low IQ thought process that went into it I don't think that somebody that does this is just like a bumbling idiot.
I don't know if it's low IQ. I think it's very high IQ that can hide...
Like, you know how in Star Wars, a Sith Lord that's really, really dope can hide his level?
You can't read the level that he on?
unidentified
Yep, yep.
maj toure
It's the drunken monkey high...
This is so high tech because now...
I get to argue about how stupid this is as opposed to, to your point, going into organizations, people, businesses that are in alignment with liberty.
And on the low end, we're going to trick some people that really, really think, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, because if you are fatty, if you just don't want to work out, if you love being late all of the time, now I could blame this.
So we get the low-hanging fruit there.
But on a different level, on a higher level, now we got to try to re-indoctrinate or reprogram the thought process of somebody that now could have been a soldier for a community that now fighting to say, yeah, if you actually go work out and keep a solid work ethic, you are promoting white supremacy.
unidentified
Man, I think what this is doing, what it could do is it's aiding the idea for people to not do better.
And that's super bland to say, but it's, I think, like, I've been working with kids for about six years now.
And so the kids that I've been working with, mostly single mother households, et cetera, but I think what they're doing is telling them that it's okay to be in the condition that you're in.
Like, it's okay.
You know, if you try, if you, that's just white people's stuff.
And then if you think about it, you ever notice how, like, in the black community, like, let's say you go to the family reunion and You know the rich auntie, how everybody treats her because she made it and she's doing good for her stuff.
Everybody's just like, here she go with the car.
So, all the kids start thinking, oh, I don't want to do better because nobody likes them.
They're not in an environment where it's cool to do the right thing.
So, things like this is like aiding children not wanting to do better because now the cool thing is doing the wrong thing.
And everybody around you is doing the wrong thing.
So, I want to be wanted.
I want to be like just normal kids, normal adults.
You know, well, I'm not doing the best, and they're saying that if I do better, this is white culture, and I'm not a white supremacist, and I don't want to be aligned with white folks or Donald Trump, so I'm not going to do better.
And this is the psyop that they're creating in the minds of the people.
tim pool
I've asked this before of some other black conservatives, but is there a thing where they say, like, hey, you're acting white?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
maj toure
You just gotta...
So I'm a solutionary.
So when I get hit with that, I go, no, I'm just better than you.
unidentified
Yep.
maj toure
You gotta challenge people to go.
And then when you can quantify that statement by, no, I'm not acting white.
This thought that you think that excellence is only associated with white is where they got you in the first place.
So when I go like, no, no, I'm not acting white.
I'm just better than you, bro.
I'm better.
And you gotta own that.
tim pool
party is anything that the right does must be bad no matter what it is yeah so this funny thing happens with Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks he sees it's like Elon Musk advocating for restrictions on if you serve if you're a general in the military you can't get a job with a defense contractor for 10 years and Cenk is like we've been the progressives have been arguing for that forever yeah because he's high-ranking military guys will overspend like crazy because they're Like, hey, we're going to dump public funds and give me a job.
The left attacked him when he asked, let me help you get this policy through.
And he was like, why are you mad?
Like, we want this thing.
So it's almost, it's similar in that There's this idea among a lot of people you mentioned, like the aunt comes in and she's got a nice car and they don't want that.
They want to be like that.
They're being told that success is white supremacy is racism.
You don't want to go anywhere near it.
unidentified
I had to check my auntie the other day.
We was having, no, it was at my birthday party in July where we had a family get together and my son was talking and my aunt was like, why are you talking so proper?
And I'm just like, well, that's how he's supposed to talk.
You know, he's not supposed to be, you know, talking, you know, slang or nothing like that.
He's supposed to because he was like, hey, I need to go use the restroom.
She was like, why are you talking so proper?
And I'm just like, well, that's how he's supposed to talk.
Like, I know how we talk, but for right now, that's what he needs to learn.
Like, he can learn, you know, the lingo and stuff later on, but as of right now...
But I had to get her.
I'm like, dude, like, that's what he's...
I understand you might raise your grandkids a different way or have them talk a certain way, but he's gonna be a different child from y'all or whatever.
And you just have to accept that.
But in the idea of that, subconsciously, what she's saying is, why are you talking so white?
That's what that means.
tim pool
Well, that's crazy.
She said proper.
Because...
Proper just means correct.
It just means doing the right thing.
unidentified
That's it.
tim pool
Why are you being correct?
Even if the argument was speaking that way is a different culture of ours, to use the word proper, it's like as if to imply she knows that is the correct way to speak English.
unidentified
Correct.
maj toure
Now, that's actually the real...
I know we tongue-in-cheek, but that's actually that thought process that told black folks, if we isolate it for this conversation of black folks...
That's actually white supremacy.
If I can convince you to only chase things that make your entire lineage worse.
And that didn't show up with black people.
I'm sorry, like some of the viewers might be like, oh, we didn't do it.
You physically as the white dude now might have not done it.
But there were conscious, by design, things that said, no, we have to...
Even the concept of that thing called the Uncle Tom, right?
Mm-hmm.
In the book, Tom did not sell out.
unidentified
Yep.
maj toure
Tom was the one that did not do what Massa said do.
Over time, the conditioning was on this plantation, yo, you not, if I'm the white slave master, yo, you not being an Uncle Tom issue to that, you know, Samuel Jackson's character type dude, right?
unidentified
Yep.
maj toure
Now that dude goes, I ain't no Uncle Tom, because you're vying for a white person's association and adornment.
So now you start repeating it, and then you go, oh, what's your Uncle Tom's?
Nobody, as the story continues to go on, actually read the book to know that this character was the dude that didn't sell out.
unidentified
Right.
maj toure
So when somebody puts that thought process into a person's brain and then it starts to spread down over time, that is white supremacy.
unidentified
I was listening to this guy talk about the word nigga.
He was actually explaining how the word nigga was only used when you were in rebellion to white people.
Because at first he was just like, okay, you know how you'd be walking down the street in the 60s or whatever, they'd call you boy or something like that.
But when you be rebellious, hey, nigga, that's when you were called a nigga.
When you were doing the wrong thing, when you were going against white people, you were called a nigga.
So he was like, nigga ain't even the bad word.
He was like, I want to be a nigga because I don't want to be with the racist white people, etc.
So I kind of got the side that you're explaining now is you convinced us that everything right is.
It's wrong.
And everything that destroys our lineage is the right thing.
Subconsciously, that's what we do.
Because just like he said, the word proper.
Proper means correct.
So for you to say, why are you speaking correct?
Why are you doing the right thing?
Like, it's subconscious because she's, you know, older.
She's just like, why are you doing the right thing?
I'm supposed to be doing the wrong thing.
Like, it's...
I don't get this.
maj toure
This is why I think, after a certain point, they did the same thing with the term woke, too.
unidentified
Yeah, same thing.
Yep.
maj toure
This is a part of the reason why when you unravel in these things, right?
This is where I'm starting to land where it got to be spiritual.
Because it becomes like, man, we've had these lessons.
We've had these experiences.
We could unravel them and break them down.
But it's like, man, you guys are making a conscious effort over generations to make sure that people aren't...
It's like the Tower of Babel.
We're not really communicating with each other.
We just speaking at each other in ways that everybody may not understand because there's somebody in the mix going, do not communicate effectively with that person.
Tell them from this group, yo, if you actually aspire to excellence, you are being white.
Proper is the association of white.
And then all you got to do is a quick back scroll, right?
And you look at Frederick Douglass, when you look at his writing and reading, when he could not write and read, you start to go, that is the concept of excellence.
unidentified
Right.
maj toure
Right?
And it's just not the monopoly of that.
And so, I don't know, man.
I just start leaning on, you know, the Cat Williams statement.
It ain't race.
It's God's side and the other side.
Like, in my brain, because for the longest time, I just was like, I don't really know about this God thing.
Because why is God playing it this way?
Why is God, like, doing this, like...
Why does my daughter now...
My child's mother died in October, right?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
maj toure
Why does my daughter have to deal with this pain that I cannot help her with?
For a while, I was like, why is God being a dick a little bit?
When these types of things happen...
It leans me in a direction more of like, this has to be some sort of bigger lesson in spiritual whatever.
And it goes that way in stark contrast to how I've been feeling for some time now.
And it, you know, I guess every group of people feel like they're the chosen, but if each individual is having a struggle within themselves, then everybody becomes that individual that is reflecting on their choices, life, and then it leans you in a spiritual space.
Not to get all woody woo, but it has to be something like that because this is too dumb to Feels like a test.
Yeah!
unidentified
Literally.
tim pool
You've got free will.
What are you going to do with it?
maj toure
Because clearly this is dumb.
Being on time.
And I get the joke.
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
We all say CP time.
maj toure
Like, I get the joke.
unidentified
I already know, like, when we had a family reunion, they said we're going to eat at three.
Five.
We ain't there by five.
You know, like, because they're just now starting to cook at 3 o'clock.
Like, we just know that.
Like, I don't know.
tim pool
But every culture has that.
maj toure
Right!
tim pool
So it's like, when I'm in Miami, they were like, oh, it's Miami time.
And I'm like, what does that mean?
It's like, everybody's always late.
And I'm like, why do I hear that same thing?
Everybody acts like it belongs to me.
unidentified
Marketing says that's color people time.
Right.
That's what marketing does.
So again, the marketing and advertising for the black community is like, all the bad stuff is, oh, the black people do that stuff.
maj toure
If I can get...
Both of your points.
If I can get...
If I'm the 10% of the room that needs to control 90% of the room.
If I can get everybody in those other 90% of the room to feel empowered by the...
You know, the CP thing is just for black people.
You know, the late thing is only for the Miami people.
You know, the such and such is only...
You know, only the whites do rebellious things.
Right?
If each...
If I can get each group of those people to almost like...
Make it a badge of honor.
I win.
And y'all aren't communicating with each other, because then you go...
Yeah, we do that all of the time.
It's like every culture that you go to has a dish for like chicken and rice.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah.
unidentified
Every one.
maj toure
And then they'll be like, you know, this is my grandmother's, bro.
You know what I'm saying?
That's where, again, I just go, this has to be a test.
tim pool
Yeah, that's my food store I tell people because I've traveled all over.
I went to Thailand and Asked my buddy to get me some real Thai food, and he's like, oh, you want real Thai food, huh?
Steamed chicken and rice.
unidentified
Yep.
I was just in Africa, I think August.
I was there for a mission trip.
I was going to teach some kids there.
And food.
Asked me what we had.
tim pool
What did you get?
unidentified
Chicken and rice.
It might be seasoned a bit different.
It might be called something different.
But in the end, the main dish was chicken and rice.
maj toure
Do y'all know that what we're talking about and hinting towards is the thing that gets you fully cancelled?
What you're talking about and discussing is...
Pulling back the veil, recognizing the unity in all things.
It could be this thing that everybody in every culture goes, bro, I'm on time.
What are you talking about?
I'm Indian.
I'm not a white supremacist, right?
And if you go, yeah, bro, chicken and rice, Thailand, chicken and rice, Africa, they're going to jawl off you to death.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Yep.
maj toure
My point in saying that is, what we're talking about beneath the surface is the thing that goes, you know, last week was the, I can't remember how many years, anniversary of Fred Hampton Sr. being murdered, killed by the Chicago Police Department and the FBI, right?
Fred Hampton, even though it was Black Panthers, was like all people got to work together.
unidentified
I said it before.
As soon as he got everybody on one accord, regardless of race, he was talking to everybody.
White, the Mexican, whatever.
Once he got everybody on one accord, they're like, oh, nah, okay, now you tripping.
Same thing with Dr. King.
They used Dr. King for as long as they could until he started saying, okay, hold up.
Everybody's having a certain issue with the government.
Bye-bye, Dr. King.
Bye-bye, Dr. King.
Every time they...
Malcolm X. He was fine when he was just about the black people.
Soon as he started trying to get everybody together, bye-bye, Malcolm X. You can't do the full unity thing.
They have to keep everybody in their separate groups.
tim pool
Didn't you just bring up Tower of Babel?
maj toure
Yeah.
tim pool
Keep everybody separated and unable to communicate, and then it shatters your society.
unidentified
Absolutely.
maj toure
If I was a super...
I respect it.
Because it's smart.
If I was a supervillain, I would do it too.
Like the supervillain game is an amazing game because you got to think of it.
You're engaging and tricking and manipulating also the warrior class that might like fold you up.
And you're doing this brave thing of trying to trick everybody to not work together, not work out.
As soon as a few of those people start going to the gym, eating healthy or being on time.
Like this list is the list of like how you break them.
unidentified
Hey, I have a super controversial take about January 6th because I said this before.
I had black people, you know, black people always do this pretend thing like they're so mad about January 6th.
They bring it up all the time.
And I'm just like, okay, first of all, let's take a step back for a second.
I'm like, white people believed in their cause so much that they went to overtake the Capitol.
Y'all have been crying.
We've been crying about police brutality and all this crap for so many years.
We got these gangsters talking about how they so gangsta.
They go kill other black people and go rape the black women and do all this stuff to the black community.
But y'all went at the Capitol protesting the police brutality that y'all swear been hurting y'all so bad for so many years or all the white.
Well, we would have got shot.
Okay, we'll die for it then.
You'll die in your community.
tim pool
That's true.
unidentified
You'll die in the community.
You'll let the game banger shoot y'all up.
So what's wrong with going to the Capitol and doing the same thing?
I'm like, if you claim you care about it so much and we so hard and we so gangster, I ain't seen y'all go shout out to the president or go up to the Capitol or none of that stuff that y'all been complaining about for all these years.
We've had so many things we've been complaining about.
All the gangster rappers, etc., all y'all full of cap.
Every last one of y'all around here talking about y'all gonna shoot somebody.
Drake said in the rap, he said, we had guns that shoot backwards.
No rappers Because all y'all are full of cap.
All the gangsters, all the black activists and all that, y'all behind us have been like, you know what?
We need to go down there to the Capitol.
But y'all down there are scared.
tim pool
You're scared.
Here's what's really funny.
You had Black Lives Matter riots, right?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
What was the predominant racial makeup of that protest?
maj toure
White.
tim pool
It was white people.
unidentified
And what communities were they destroying?
Black communities, they were destroying black businesses.
Even during the LA riots, I remember the video.
They had these black people from black businesses crying.
They was like, we not the ones hurting y'all.
Like, why y'all burning down my business?
Like, it was sad, bro.
Like, we so backward.
And they allow it to...
The PSYOP to destroy our minds to the point where we go mess up our...
They just having fun destroying stuff.
I'm just like, dude, these are people that really care about your community that are actually trying to put back in your community and you out here killing them and hurting them.
tim pool
Look at Ferguson riots.
They burned down a gas station.
And I went down there and I interviewed people.
And at the time, oh, this was against the narrative.
You couldn't say this.
We interviewed people on the street, black people.
Why did they burn down the gas station?
They said it was because it was run by an Indian guy.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
They said, why are they coming into our neighborhoods, buying up our property and running their businesses in our community where they make money off of us?
So we were told that by like two or three different people.
So I'm not saying it's for...
I don't know.
Maybe that's why they did it.
Maybe that's why they didn't.
But that's what they were telling us.
But then something funny happens...
You got this article in – I think it was in The New Republic or something, and it becomes a book, In Defense of Looting, where these white liberals write that black people are looting businesses as a form of slave revolt essentially against an oppressive capitalist system that's holding them back.
And if you actually were down there at Ferguson – What you found was the locals who lived there were begging for help to stop the rioting because their stores and businesses were getting looted.
And the people that were coming and doing it were people of all races who were trying to steal stuff.
maj toure
Yeah.
unidentified
Man, I know a lot of it was set up.
I want to explain something that happened in my hometown.
So I had took charge of this case.
in my hometown where this guy, well, it was a city over in Sylvester.
It's about 15 minutes away from my hometown.
This guy got killed by a police by mistake.
He was driving and the guy was walking and the police hit him with the car.
The idea was that the guy was already dead after the police hit him.
But the coroner gets there and mistakenly runs over the guy's body and then backs up over the guy's body or whatever like that.
And they didn't know whether he was dead or not before the coroner came and hit him or whatever.
So the idea.
So anyway, fast forward They gave us all the case files, etc.
Because I said with the family that we were going to do a protest.
This was in the middle of George Floyd, too, by the way.
I said we were going to do a protest down there because I'm just like, no, we need more information about it.
This don't make no sense or whatever like that.
So before we did the protest, we sat down with the DA. I'm not a lawyer or nothing, but they sat us down.
They gave us every case file on that thing from the toxicology reports or the officers.
They gave us everything.
So once we got all the information, I gave it back to the family and the family was satisfied.
I told the public, I'm like, well, we're not going to do a protest anymore.
I'm like, because we got everything we needed.
So people were upset about it or whatever like that.
I'll never forget the sheriff of that town where we were going to do the protest.
He made a post on social media and basically took pictures and said there had been bricks and rocks, etc.
Sat all around the city.
I still have the post.
I'm so glad I counseled it because they would have been on my behind about that.
But there were bricks, rocks, everything sat all around the city where glass was and everything.
They was like, we don't know about this.
Protest is supposed to be happening, but I made sure I said, listen, we're not going to be there.
So all my people don't show up.
But for him to say that, I knew for a fact during George Floyd protests, they were sending people around to these different communities just to destroy so things could get worse.
tim pool
There were a bunch of viral claims that during these protests, there were big pallets of bricks.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Placed everywhere.
unidentified
That's exactly what he said.
tim pool
The corporate press was just like, these are normal pallet deliveries for construction.
And then your story's crazy because...
unidentified
I still got the post.
He literally said they were sat everywhere all around the city.
Mind you, this is a small country town.
A very small country town with one railroad and the courthouse they used to hang people on it.
It's super old.
So it's not even a developed city at all by no circumstance.
And so for the sheriff to go post that...
All of these bricks and stuff were sat everywhere, but the day before we canceled was crazy.
maj toure
That's the reason why I'm saying I can never fully...
Again, I'm always going to acknowledge the individual and the individual's choice.
But I can't let that...
It starts to look like the system curates this thing to make all of the blame only be on the individual.
It's like saying, okay, you guys could ignore these bricks and pallets of bricks and all of this that's there.
You could.
But we didn't give you all of the information on the case files.
We unequivocally withheld information that would have changed an objective thinker's thought process.
Then we highlighted and took advantage of some legitimate anger that you may have about things in this community.
We highlighted your anger, we turned you up, and then we dropped these pallets off.
For me, I can be critical of the people in the community, but I gotta also sit back and go...
Bro, y'all drop the bricks off and y'all run the media.
Correct.
unidentified
Correct.
maj toure
So it becomes like you got to have that two-way conversation all of the time because if you don't, you fall victim on one of the two sides.
You go, you're only blaming the system and not your individual accountability.
Or the other side becomes you're only blaming the individual.
It's almost like saying right now, the Biden administration thinking about blanket pardons for Fauci and a couple of other folks, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
maj toure
I thought you saved the world, bro.
unidentified
Right.
maj toure
If you saved the world, we should be throwing you a celebration.
unidentified
Right.
maj toure
The conversation then becomes, okay, Fauci is an individual that's been grimy since the HIV thing back in the day.
Right?
unidentified
Yeah.
maj toure
We can look at Fauci, but we also got to look at a system that goes, eh...
We got our profits.
Let's go ahead and give them the blanket.
Yeah, I mean, when you don't do one or the other, you leaving yourself open to the other side.
And I think when it comes to black communities more specifically, because it's such a structured way of making it look invisible.
We just go, well, y'all just doing it.
You're not talking about the health component.
You're not talking about the, like, blood pressure.
It ain't just because black people got a genetic predisposition to have fucking high blood pressure.
unidentified
Bro.
maj toure
Y'all are putting things in the food and targeting them into specific communities.
Again, that still doesn't mean, man, whole foods up the street, bro.
Like, you could still get to a healthy option.
unidentified
We went to see my coroner the other day because I wanted to ask the coroner, why are people dying and all being just in general?
Because obviously they only post, you know, homicides and stuff like that.
He was like, hypertension, heart disease, etc.
He was like, mainly because people won't get up and go walk, people sitting in front of the TV all day, etc.
And he was like, food got something to do with it.
He was like, mainly it's no physical movement, which is causing blood clots, etc.
He was like, literally, I'm picking up people every day, heart disease, high blood pressure.
This is my hometown.
Yeah.
Like, nobody's talking about these statistics or whatever like that, but, you know, we got a food desert over in that community, too, because, like, there are no access to grocery stores in a, you know, close radius or anything.
And one grocery store they do have, obviously, is super cheap stuff or whatever just for them to get.
But everything that's over there for them to eat, Popeyes, McDonald's, the Chinese joint, or whatever like that, but it's all...
And they run down, by the way, but people gotta eat there because that's the closest thing they can get to.
Most of them don't have cars.
maj toure
And the other argument becomes where it becomes systemic.
And I know it's Again, I know the viewers are going to get mad at me for saying this.
You give subsidies and tax abatements to some of those companies or, like, the Chinese stores in the hood.
Every five to ten years, it's a new Chinese dude.
You see the one Chinese dude for five years, ten years, then after that it's another person because they done switched their license and they got a new tax re-up.
It becomes a thing where, like, you cannot ignore the fact that you are incentivizing this in certain communities.
tim pool
You know what I find, though?
Like you were saying with that video you made about Hamlet over Kamala, Hamlet over Trump and the left loses their minds.
I mean that like exemplifies so much of the culture war I guess.
I sit down with Trump supporters years ago and MAGA hat wearing white dudes with button up shirts all talking about God and all that stuff.
And then they said all this racism and white supremacy stuff, these people are lying about everything.
And I was like, well, you know, like blockbusting and redlining is a real thing.
It actually happened.
And they said – and literally this is a true story.
It happened in many instances.
But I was hanging out.
I think it was in the Bay Area with like 12 prominent Trump supporters.
And I was like, yeah, like it was made illegal in the 80s and they still keep doing it.
Yeah.
The funny thing is you go and talk to these woke activists, these uppity liberals who own real estate, and they'll tell you they do it.
maj toure
Right.
tim pool
So just real quick for those that don't know, redlining, it gets its name from Chicago where the real estate companies wouldn't sell property to black families outside of this area by the red line, creating this one area.
And then blockbusting is when they would move in black families intentionally, then go around to all of the white families and say, there goes the neighborhood.
They would get scared and sell their houses at a loss.
They'd buy it all up.
Then they'd move the black family out and sell it at a premium.
This happened until the 80s.
Like, structurally, it was a legal practice and people were doing it.
They knew they were doing it.
They made it illegal.
They still do it.
So I have this funny story I love to tell about this woke activist.
She was a Latina.
Her dad owns real estate in New York.
She inherited a building in New York.
And so we're talking about this.
And this is 2014. I'm working at Fusion.
This is a woke company.
She's woke as they come.
And I'm like, if a black family moved next door to your property, would you sell?
She goes, yeah.
And I was like, why?
And she goes, it's going to lose value.
I got to protect my assets.
And I was like, so aren't you a part of that systemic racism?
And she's like, I don't care.
maj toure
See?
tim pool
They don't care, dude.
It's their money.
maj toure
Money talks.
And that's the part that you gotta look at.
And again, it's not to absolve the individual.
Because my argument with gentrification, it becomes like, oh, they coming in here and they buying such and such.
Bro...
You, you, Granny House was there for however long.
You didn't do, you put interior paint on the exterior.
Like, come on, bro.
You had an individual participation in the down, you know, the decrease of the value.
But we cannot ignore the fact that some of these things are systems designed that way.
Yep.
unidentified
Double-ed sword.
maj toure
If I go to the place and I start doing the right thing, if you are saying, hey, we got this school, we got this, and then the community politicians then say, no, King, you can't, which has happened to you.
No, you can't do it.
You've already shown improve your work.
At a certain point, it becomes systemic.
When you want to talk about culture shifts, Excellence.
Black, white, Spanish, whatever.
It's always going to land you at the bigotry that is justified and sanctioned by the state.
You gotta land there, because then it's easier for me to check main man doing the individual wrong thing when I go, government can't make that red line situation.
And then if that person isn't in that horrible environment that the state's sanctioned to be there, that person's environment changes, the mentality of that person changes.
tim pool
You know what the irony of all of this is?
It's really funny.
The reason why a lot of people on the right don't believe this is because they're like, what?
If a black family moved next to me, I'm not moving.
That's stupid.
And the white liberals are like, yeah, I'd move too.
maj toure
It's happening.
unidentified
It's because it's not happening to them directly.
It's not happening at all.
And that's something I do have trouble with the right.
Listen, even though you haven't seen it, you may not have experienced it, it's happening.
So I need you to realize that.
tim pool
It's funny because you've basically got black people saying to the Trump supporters, like, please, the liberals are extremely racist.
And they're like, I don't believe that people would actually do this or the systems would do this.
And it's a projection.
A lot of these working class, rural conservative types, middle-of-the-road liberal people who end up voting for Donald Trump can't imagine in their mind someone behaving that way.
They're like, that makes no sense.
How could you even afford to move?
But these upscale liberals living in these wealthy neighborhoods, they know they will do that in a heartbeat.
maj toure
The reason why the Trump supporter in the middle of the road didn't believe it for so long is because they wasn't listening to black people.
unidentified
Absolutely.
maj toure
Black people have been telling across and not to offend the MAGA folks, right?
The hood has been telling you for a bajillion years.
unidentified
Yep.
maj toure
And I say this because I don't ever want anybody to catch unnecessary charges.
I've been accused falsely of things.
It's just wild.
But it almost low-key took for Trump to run through that for certain people to go, wait a minute.
I think my black friend was telling me something like this kind of happens.
And then, you know, it's that James Franco meme at this point.
It's like, first time?
It becomes like, yeah, clearly these cases are trash.
Clearly, they're targeting a person unnecessarily.
This is what the Black Panther Party has been saying.
This is what the early stages of people in that Ferguson movement...
Because I went down here to talk to Darren Seals.
God bless him.
Darren Seals, his girlfriend.
He passed at that time.
But I went to talk to his family, his girlfriend, and all of that.
Those people were like, look, the police brutality thing is just wild here.
unidentified
Yep.
maj toure
And when we were saying it, it was almost like, bro, you just don't want to take individual accountability.
Just do the right thing and nothing will happen.
Now that people in communities all across the country are saying, well, let's end qualified immunity for police.
Not that you just get a blanket, whatever.
But at the same time, if you do something wrong, that come out of your money, not the tax budget, right?
Then everybody got up in arms and went, well, why do we need to...
And then when we said, well, if you don't do anything wrong, then you're fine.
It just seems like conservatives, and in my experience now as a libertarian for years now, Weren't really listening when people was telling them.
Weren't going.
There may be something to this.
tim pool
Do you know what going on tour in Ferguson is?
Going on tour in St. Louis?
maj toure
Yep.
tim pool
So this was...
People don't...
I would tell people, hey, there's such a thing as structural racism, whatever.
However you want to describe it.
And it's actually pretty easy to understand.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
In St. Louis, the city itself is actually really small.
There is something like 99 jurisdictions built up around it.
So what makes St. Louis is actually a whole bunch of really small suburban enclaves.
unidentified
Like Atlanta.
tim pool
A lot of those were built because of – so Pruitt-Igoe was the name of urban development housing that was done, I think it was in the 60s, intending to help poor black families have a place to live.
They said, oh, this will solve the problem with these big complexes.
Then they basically abandoned them.
And they start falling apart.
People get hurt.
People get sick.
There's a lot of crime in the area.
There's a lot of poverty in the area.
Cultural decay.
So white people are like, we don't want to live around this.
This is a problem and a mistake.
Crime is getting way too high.
So they started moving and creating new suburban enclaves, which creates this wave of small cities in the St. Louis area.
So it's not that the cop is racist.
It's not that the court is racist.
It's that there were systems in place due to racial tensions that resulted in a system.
So when the cop pulls over a black dude and says, look, man, you got a busted taillight.
I don't have to tell you.
He's not doing it because the guy's black.
He's not got a busted taillight.
The problem is these jurisdictions are set up to where you get something called going on tour.
And this is what the guys in Ferguson were telling us.
We went to a couple of these families.
We asked them, why are you guys having trouble with the law?
And a couple of stories we heard was like, my license plate expired.
And it was something like 30 bucks to take it.
I had to take time off work to go to the DMV and figure out what the problem was because I don't really know.
Then I got to pay the fee and I can't.
So now I'm trying to figure out am I going to go back to my job?
I can't lose my job.
I got to pay rent.
I got to pay for food.
So I didn't get my license plate renewed.
And what happens?
From his house to his job was four different jurisdictions, four different cities.
He gets pulled over in the first one, in the first mile.
And the cop's like, look, man, you know, it is what it is.
You should have done it.
It's a $20 ticket.
No big deal.
He drives a mile, gets pulled over again.
Sorry, man.
And he was, but look, I already got a ticket for it.
I don't want to tell you.
maj toure
Different city.
tim pool
Different city.
So he was like...
You know, friends of ours will get four tickets for one thing, and we already couldn't pay for it.
We're already struggling, and we have to make those decisions, and it's impossible.
Do you feed your kids, or do you, like, get your license plate or your taillight fixed?
And so then, they don't pay it.
Because they're like, dude, I couldn't pay for the taillight to get fixed in the first place.
I certainly couldn't pay the $35 times four.
I don't have this money.
So what happens?
They get pulled over.
There's a warrant for your arrest.
Don't worry.
It's a minor infraction.
So they go to jail.
It's for one day.
It's overnight.
As soon as they get out the next day, the other police department's waiting right outside saying, we were waiting for you because you got a warrant too.
They go on tour.
Every time they get out of a police station, they get taken to the next police station.
The cops aren't doing it going, wah-ha-ha, we hate black people.
maj toure
The blacks.
tim pool
They're doing it because they're like, hey, look, man, you had a busted taillight and you get a ticket.
It's a moving violation.
However, these systems were set up at a time when there was overt segregation and racist policies and covenants that were put in place.
Some of these places literally had policies saying black people weren't allowed to live there.
They make that illegal in the late 60s.
They make blockbusting and redlining illegal in the 80s.
And those structures still exist, where now for non-racial reasons, there's a ramification from past racial reasons.
maj toure
But do we need...
I have this argument often.
She's lefty, but her book is amazing.
The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander.
unidentified
I have that book, yeah.
maj toure
I don't need it for you to overtly go, it's because we don't like you blacks.
If the outcome is exactly the same result.
Okay, now it's the same.
This guy's going on tour.
This guy's losing his job.
This guy still probably might lose his house.
Now it's like, hey, bro, you in jail all the time.
What's wrong with you?
Now you a social pariah.
My point in saying all of this is, I don't need it to be...
I just need people to start acknowledging and overturning these systems.
I don't need you to go, well, I'm just...
That whole Nuremberg defense, I'm just doing my job.
Like, your job was created and that system was created to do the exact same thing that's happening right now.
I don't care if you calling me nigga or not as you do it.
And that's the part where people gotta just start being honest about and not having to experience one of your own, right?
All of the Trump folks is now going like, oh man, because you're a guy.
And I rock with Trump.
The Art of the Deal was one of the first real books that I read in high school.
I don't need you.
We shouldn't have to get for one of your guys that's already a multi-billionaire to have to go through this and you're ignoring other Americans saying these things are wrong from the gate.
That's the part where we start to lose.
It almost becomes like we gotta have...
The most dire, extreme scenario happened for people to listen to other Americans.
tim pool
You know, I think the big problem is with the left, maybe not the big problem, but a big problem is that their response to these things was to just insult white people.
And I'm like, look, man, there's like some working class dude who lives in the suburbs of Ohio who has no idea what you're talking about in Ferguson.
So if you come out now and say white people are bad and white people are doing these things, that guy's going like, why are you yelling at me, man?
I don't even know you.
maj toure
Right.
tim pool
So we end up seeing all of this major cultural phenomenon with wokeness where they start doing ridiculous things.
They make the Black Panther movie, the Marvel one, and they call it diverse.
It's like, shut up.
It's a 98% black cast.
That's fine.
The movie is based in Africa and about black characters.
But don't call it diverse and have all the white people going up and clapping for themselves and patting each other on the back.
They ended up just doing more racist...
Like, more racist stuff, and then acting like they weren't racist.
maj toure
Because it's...
I am of the belief, man...
This is gonna sound really mean.
And I love you all.
I love you all.
Democrats, Republicans, I love you all.
unidentified
It's about to be bad.
maj toure
I believe extreme leftists that usually identify as Democrats, if we're talking about spiritual, you are agents of Satan.
unidentified
I agree.
maj toure
You're a devil.
You're a devil.
unidentified
And they know it.
maj toure
And I think these people up here know it, and I think the trickle down, and then they start to learn, and then they get inculcated to it.
Like that white liberal that goes, absolutely, I'm moving and getting away from the black folk.
On the surface, every Hollywood movie, especially in the 80s, remember how all of the villains were like, oh, that's such and such.
He's a philanthropist.
He's the nicest person.
And then behind closed doors, he's like, the villain?
That is, if we had to personify what a devil is, that's what those type of liberals are.
And then you identify with a party that has done some of the, if not the, most devilish, satanic things in the universe.
The universe.
So at a certain point, I start to go, you're not unaware of this.
Now, again, they may be comfortable enough, right?
They go, well, I can tell Tim.
I absolutely would get rid of the...
They might not say the N-word.
Publicly.
But at the same time, they are 1000% complicit with a system that is designed to destroy their fellow Americans.
These are the same people that will struggle with You got a problem with an American flag.
tim pool
But it's, you know, projection is a result of people only knowing what they know.
And so for a lot of these regular working class Joes of any background, many of whom shifted heavily towards Donald Trump, including the white Trump base, they they often don't believe this because it's not within them to do these.
These uppity leftists and liberals who outright go around screaming white supremacy is everywhere are there.
You're it.
They're confessing.
unidentified
Yeah.
You're the white supremacy.
tim pool
They're saying that they know in their heart they have these feelings.
That's why we've long called them white supremacists with guilty consciences.
maj toure
So basically, Tim, you're calling white liberals white devils.
unidentified
That's a shirt.
tim pool
Hey, I draw the distinction at, like you mentioned, up here and down here.
The high-level people, oh, dude, I think they're evil.
I think they're outright nihilistic.
They think only they matter.
Nothing else matters for anybody else.
They sow divisions for money.
They lie, cheat, and steal.
And they got a bunch of people duped who are not smart enough to realize or too disinterested, and they think they're good people on the right side of history, as they call it.
It was a cold wake-up call for them on election day when they realized they weren't, and a lot of them panicked.
maj toure
Yeah, I think too many of the general public that—it's like my gay homies, right?
They're gay.
Gay, gay, gay.
But then it started going so far that they like, bro, what's this kid doing in here?
tim pool
Yeah, right.
unidentified
Like, what you doing?
maj toure
Like, whose man is this that was like, this is okay?
And so that's where I gotta say it's spiritual.
Y'all went so far with it.
unidentified
So far.
maj toure
That even people that was just like, yo, I just kind of wanted to marry my husband.
tim pool
You know, it's wild that Gays Against Groomers is called an anti-gay, anti-LGBTQ hate group.
unidentified
See?
tim pool
It's like, what?
They are gay.
What are you talking about?
unidentified
Man, the PSYOP that they've created in people's minds is crazy because, like, for example, my grandma.
My grandma is an old-school, black, churchy, conservative woman, right?
But she refuses to devote anything outside of Democrats.
I call grandma.
I'm not grandma.
You, everything you have ever taught me, literally, goes against everything.
She can't even name why she contends.
Like, I'll call her, if I call her right now on the phone and ask her why, she's gonna start telling me to shut up after a while.
I'm just like, just shut up, just shut up.
I'm just like, but everything that you have ever taught me, from church, to hard work, to, you know, getting up on time, making sure I do everything right, etc.
You don't like gay stuff.
She don't like abortion.
She don't...
She don't like none of it.
So I'm like, why do you continue voting over there?
That makes no sense to me.
And she's convinced herself, or people have convinced her, TV's convinced her, because from her generation, TV was the truth.
Everything on TV was the truth.
So whatever you stuck to watching is what's the truth.
CNN or whatever.
So I'm like, Grandma, you keep giving the same talking points that they're giving that you don't even agree with.
I'm like, I understand you may not like Donald Trump or maybe not like those particular politicians, but most of the values on that side or libertarian values or whatever, that's what you raised me on.
So tell me why you continue voting Democrat.
And she can never give an actual reason.
maj toure
I'm telling you, that's where I give the leftist that phrase.
The phrase being placed in a proper context and on the right people matches.
That is white supremacy.
If I can convince you That everything that you value and believe in, you're going to do it, you're going to live it, but you're going to vote for the people that sing and doing the exact opposite.
That is, you know, Hollywood, you know, y'all know that's what Merlin, the magician, his wand was made out of Hollywood to create illusions.
If I can bluff you, I can beat you.
And if I can cast a spell that thorough, that elder that's that wise, that has raised this many children, that has done this, that is evaluating, that is da-da-da-da-da, that has stayed alive, experienced a certain level of racism and vitriol that you and I will never get.
If I can convince that person to vote in their own disinterest, that is a certain level of supremacy because I have supreme power over your mind.
unidentified
Man, even convincing people like again with the oppression thing, I've explained before.
I've said, first of all, I cannot...
Walk around here talking about I'm going through so much.
I've had great grandmamas go through civil rights era.
I've had granddads be run off by the Ku Klux Klan, etc.
Do not sit here and tell me that you're going through so much.
We had grandmamas and aunties or whatever from back then that were successful in the face of actual racism.
Like, actually having to get up in the middle of the night because of KKK outside for your granddaddy or actually dealing with having to not go to the same water fountain or somebody beating you up for knowing how to read, etc.
You mean to tell me you're telling me you got a bed, Wi-Fi, etc., all this stuff every day and you telling me you going through something?
I don't think you're going through it.
I think it's a slap in the face to my ancestors for me to walk around here talking about I'm oppressing and I can't do something because of the white folks.
No, they did...
As much as they could in the face of true racism.
And we walk around here talking about we can't do nothing.
maj toure
So let me ask you this.
Let me ask you this.
Let me give you some pushback.
unidentified
I was waiting on it.
maj toure
All right.
So do you think because you're so aware of that and their genuine struggle that it can handicap you in a way?
unidentified
I agree.
Yeah.
But I want you to explain it.
maj toure
I think it can handicap you in a way you are aware of how capable people can be.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
maj toure
That you kind of ignore how evil devils can be.
unidentified
Say more.
maj toure
You see what I'm saying?
Like, your thought process is, man, we...
Come on, bro.
Frederick Douglass had a newspaper, bored himself out of slavery.
What are you talking about?
unidentified
Looking to you, Washington.
maj toure
So, I think sometimes because you're so...
You've done...
You've already lived three lifetimes worth of serving communities.
I think because you've had that, you become so tunnel-visioned on what can be that you don't look at the plot of the other.
unidentified
Let me explain.
So, that's where I was when I started when I was 19. 19, 20, 21, 22. I'm 25 now.
I'm going on 26 in July.
maj toure
Wait, like, quick sec.
Pardon me for cutting you.
unidentified
Yeah.
maj toure
I want people to really, really wrap around that.
I was doing the goofiest things in the universe at 25. King Randall has a school that takes in and informs young men he's 25. But this is the recovery of our culture and what it's supposed to be.
tim pool
You're 25. You are a man.
You are supposed to be building and protecting and saving and expanding.
And the past couple of generations have been infantilized.
maj toure
Yeah.
tim pool
Like you were saying...
unidentified
So mentioning that, so back in the day, if you remember a lot of civil rights, even your granddad, uncles, grandma, they were successful at our ages because they had to work.
So back in the day, 19, 20, 21, everybody had doctorates and everything was going on.
So that was normal.
So now when I tell people about opening a school or the work I was doing, I was 19, 20 or whatever like that, everybody's like, oh my God, because it's a new thing.
So back to your point.
So 19, 20, 21, yeah, I was just doing the work and I was just like, look, I'm going to do the work.
I don't care what powers that be you're doing.
So now I'm 25 and I've worked with kids for about six years now.
And this is where I opened up for myself.
I've probably worked with...
200 boys.
And I can only point to maybe two or three kids that truly represent everything that I've taught.
The reason I say that is because I started working with kids at too late of an age.
I started working with kids at 14, 15, 16, 17. They're already gone.
I'm sorry.
I've worked with kids, parents who have gotten mad at me because I couldn't help their son or whatever.
I've dealt with a lot of that.
But they're already gone.
When I say gone, they are out of here.
So it takes life to punch them in the face.
So I've spent so many donations from people on field trips, trying to take them to show them stuff, whatever.
Their minds are already out of here.
Because I used to do this thing where I used to try to force them to get like, no, you're going to sit down and pay attention.
So now I'm at a point like, look, if he doesn't want to be here, what he's doing, he's taking away time from the kids who truly need this teaching.
One day I realized that was I started taking kids who were younger.
I had this nine-year-old kid.
Fantastic.
Fantastic.
He loved the program.
But he told his mom, he like, look, mama, I love it.
King Ron is amazing.
But them kids are bad.
He was like, I cannot deal with it because those are the kids who didn't even want to be there.
So I started sending them home because the kids who wanted to be there needed it.
So now I've worked with their moms.
I see what their moms are going through now.
Okay, this is why you can't parent your child.
Or this is what's happening.
Or this is what's going on.
So now I'm where you are now.
Okay, now I got to get engaged civically now.
Okay, now I need to go get on a couple boards in my hometown.
I need to go to the city commission meeting right now.
So as of late, that's all I've been doing is downtown at the school board meeting.
I'm on three boards now.
I've been paying attention to stuff because what's happening at these little boards are trickling down to my parents and their kids.
Right.
So now I'm having a fight on a different route, you know, because of maturity now.
And I'm like, okay, I've been working with kids still, but now they're killing my kids through these boards and through the city commission.
And now I need to figure out what's going on.
tim pool
Lisa's telling me I should bring up drill rap.
Whatever that is.
maj toure
No, drill rap.
unidentified
Let's talk about it.
maj toure
It's the devil.
tim pool
What is it?
maj toure
Let's kill people and then make songs about how we killed your homie and then we smoked a L, weed, in celebration of your dead homie.
tim pool
This is like popular and common?
maj toure
Yeah.
It's dying out now, especially with Dirk.
Facing them charges that he's facing in Cali right now.
tim pool
What is that?
maj toure
Little Dirk is a Chicago drill rapper that was changing his life.
I'm going to say on the surface, was changing his life, right?
He just got hit with a murder for hire beef.
So they got him in Miami, held him in Miami Federal Detention Center, shot him over to California to see charges on this, alleged charges.
Again, I wasn't there.
I don't know none of these folks is whatever, but he calls himself the voice of the streets, right?
Drill rap is in essence...
Reality rap was N.W.A., Dr. Dre, Cube, and them saying, this is what we're dealing with.
Like, the police are beating us up, right?
And then when Rodney King happens, everybody's like, oh my God!
And then everybody, again, in the hood was like, yeah, it's Tuesday.
unidentified
Right, that happens.
maj toure
It just got filmed.
So, reality rap got marketed and co-opted and turned into so-called gangster rap.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
maj toure
Gangsta rap became a glorified commodity to sell people a concept to get them to go do things that strengthens the prison industrial complex.
Right?
So now that more people are becoming more disillusioned with gangster rap and you got a person that could control the world musically by making love songs, now that's dying.
Now you get drill rap.
We're gonna kill you.
We're gonna confess.
On record, in a song about how we smoked your homie.
tim pool
Don't they just get arrested?
maj toure
Sometimes and sometimes not.
unidentified
Sometimes they just wait to build a case on them.
They'll know they're killing people, but they want a big enough case on this person.
So they'll kill this person, they killed that person, they sold this amount of drugs, they were pushing this many pounds.
They'll wait five years.
And they'll get this big, okay, we caught you killing all five of those people, we got all the drugs you sold for the last 20, so that way they can railroad you and get you good.
maj toure
Or, you are under the assumption that the people that are supposed to arrest and stop the killing...
tim pool
Want to?
maj toure
Right, want to or have a vested interest in we devils.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
maj toure
We want further death and mayhem.
tim pool
People need to understand this because a lot of conservatives say back to blue, cops are great.
It's like small town suburban departments I find to be pretty fantastic.
Sheriffs are good.
But when you go to New York City and you go to Chicago, you're talking about Democratic Party appointed political officials running these police departments.
And so a lot of these regular cops probably don't know, don't really know or care, but the Democrats who are appointing these people don't have your best intentions.
maj toure
They have your worst intentions.
I'm going to say it again.
Democrats are devils.
I'm sorry if that sounds offensive.
And if you're offended by that, if you hear this...
unidentified
Just go do some research.
maj toure
And just don't be a...
Look at what I'm saying.
Look at the policies.
Look at the outcome.
And tell me how I can so comfortably say that.
tim pool
Well, let's take a look at...
You know, we're talking about drill rap.
We'll take a look at the entertainment industry in general.
Which is crazy to me because there are a lot of songs that I remember when I was a kid from like 80s rap.
Like you were mentioning.
It's like telling people what's going on.
Some of them were...
Very political in the sense where – well, I don't completely agree with some of the messages from a lot – like Public Enemy had some good stuff.
They're basically saying justice, accountability, fixing these things, and then it turned into doing shots, doing drugs, make money, who cares?
It totally degraded into vapid – Just like, I guess, looting lascivious behaviors.
maj toure
But it wasn't.
But again, that's under the impression that it was just the culture going that way because of the culture.
tim pool
That's what I'm saying.
maj toure
But it wasn't.
It was Hollywood.
It was corporate interests.
It was...
And again, I want to say this in a way where it's not...
There's a great book called...
The subtitle is How the Jews Invented Hollywood.
And I promise y'all, I'm not going to go on this, it's the Jews tirade.
But my thought process is when there's corporate interests...
We have other corporate interests.
That's the beautiful thing about the Matrix and Devils.
This thing that you've used as a tool of liberation, we will co-opt it, finance people that we will give cover for, and then we will influence your students.
Because our money is, yeah, we'll spend $10 million over here because we built eight prisons.
tim pool
Let me give you a really simple example, one of my favorite memes.
Remember the Dove Real Beauty campaign?
Dove Soap launched their Real Beauty campaign where they said, we're going to use real women, basically fat women.
And so Dove Soap gets these plus-size models and they're like, this is what real women look like.
You know what company owns Dove?
maj toure
No.
tim pool
Unilever.
maj toure
Unilever.
tim pool
Unilever owns Dove.
And Unilever's got another company in their portfolio.
You know what that one is?
maj toure
What?
tim pool
Ben& Jerry's.
maj toure
See?
tim pool
So it's not that I can literally draw the line saying some executive was like, but the argument was Unilever's looking at their bottom line and being like, hey, we're seeing sales decline over here at Ben& Jerry's.
Why?
Why aren't people buying ice cream?
And they're like, well, people are concerned about being fat.
What?
Tell them it's fine to be fat.
They go look at their other company and say, have this company tell everybody it's fine to be fat until they buy more of our ice cream.
unidentified
So now we got fat shaming.
Shaming was used as a tool back in the day.
Back in the day, you were shamed to do the right thing.
Now, shaming is wrong.
And I'm like, shaming was never wrong.
Shaming was correct.
maj toure
Shaming is why Lizzo's not fat now.
unidentified
Literally, whether you want to believe it.
Shaming is why I got good grades.
Because my grandma didn't play me having a B in school.
I had to have all A's.
So when I got a B, I got shamed.
Yeah.
When I got shamed, I'm like, I don't want to be shamed.
I don't want to be looked at that way, so I'm going to go do better because I want to do the right thing.
Even, for example, going back to the drill rap thing, we do this thing where I think because we get so infatuated with the rappers or something, we don't care what they do wrong.
We do not care.
King Von, serial killer.
maj toure
Yeah.
unidentified
On his block, whoever's listening to him, whatever.
We love King Von.
Well, King Von is responsible for making sure some black people were dead in the community.
Multiple people, by the way.
And he talked about it in his songs.
We don't care.
We love King Von.
Even still listening to music from some of these rappers right now that are dying because of the music.
They are rapping.
So now I go back to reality with it because they actually killing each other.
They out here pissing on each other, graves, and then somebody else going to shoot him, and the kids are hip to it.
They telling me about it, and like we in Bible study or whatever, we just have regular talk afterward.
They talking about how, oh, this rapper went and got killed the other day because he went and peed on his mama grave, and this is real stuff.
maj toure
This actually happened.
unidentified
It's real life, and the kids are, the switches and all that.
You ain't seen no advertising for no Switches on Instagram.
You haven't seen no Facebook.
Well, you know who advertising Switches?
The rappers.
I ain't never heard of no Switch until I heard it in a song.
Like, straight up.
And I like guns.
Me and Miles do the gun thing.
I hadn't really paid attention to no Switch stuff until the kids told me about it.
So I'm like, what's the Switch thing y'all talking about?
tim pool
Real quick, shout out to Lizzo.
maj toure
She's losing weight.
unidentified
She's losing weight.
tim pool
She look good.
maj toure
Now, here's the question.
I'm going to always come back to this question after we get to the individual.
Do we think that just randomly, with us existing in the world, a timeline where random pallets of bricks show up when we think it's going to be a beef, nobody knows how they got there, right?
Do we think that drill rap...
It's just, oh, we just want to say this.
unidentified
Nope, nope.
Elon, the Twitter files exposed every industry, in my opinion, because it explained what everybody's doing.
Even though it may not have been the companies, I just feel like and know that that's what everybody's doing.
And I don't think nobody ever actually truly looked at those files.
They basically said, we are controlling the minds of everyone.
Right.
This is how we're going to do it.
So I need you to take this person down.
I need you to elevate this post.
Even the George Floyd protests, all that, it was done through Facebook, Instagram, and it was in the files.
They did it on purpose.
Like, all the protesting, all the groups that were created, all this stuff, it was done on purpose.
So the rapping, all the food, making sure we like being fat, we don't want to work out, we don't want to be smart at school, you don't have to get good grades, it's all done on purpose.
Literally.
tim pool
Let me ask you.
You said that Democrats are devils.
Is that what you said?
Are you Christian?
maj toure
I don't know.
I'm going that way again.
I'm having, it's because I'm 65 years old, I'm having this existential crisis right now where I'm like, what is going on?
So the lessons in the theology, I've actually been studying the Torah lately.
Because again, only white people could be Jewish.
And I'm like, bro, that's not true.
So I don't know.
I'm listening to my conscience at this point.
tim pool
But you are a Christian.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm talking about Bible study.
The reason I ask is because I'm never going to let this one go.
The George Floyd mural that exploded.
unidentified
Man, come on.
tim pool
You remember this?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Wait, what?
You didn't know this?
maj toure
No!
tim pool
Dude, let me pull this one up for you.
unidentified
I don't know how he got a statue, bro.
Like, I don't get it.
tim pool
So what?
maj toure
Wait, somebody blew it up?
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
God blew it up.
That's why I'm just like...
unidentified
No!
maj toure
There's no way.
tim pool
I think I got it right here.
unidentified
That works in mysterious ways.
tim pool
Look at this.
Witness claim...
Look at this picture right here, right?
Alright, take a look at this video.
This is wild.
Witnesses claim lightning destroyed George Floyd mural in Ohio.
maj toure
There's no way.
tim pool
So look at this building.
So let me see if I can find the original photograph if they have it here.
This is the original photo.
They painted this big brick wall, and right in the middle was George Floyd with a crown.
And a lot of people said that he was being worshipped as an idol.
It was blasphemy, whatever.
I don't know about any of that stuff.
I'm not a Christian, okay?
But I do believe in God.
And so look at the part of the building that was blown up by lightning.
It was only the George Floyd mural.
And it was the weather that day.
Everybody tracked it.
There were sparse clouds with some rain, and then all of a sudden, right in the middle of this building, and look, I'm not a meteorologist.
I know the general concept of charge and discharge and lightning, but my question is, is it typical for lightning to strike a building only affecting the outer layer of that building, right in the middle of that building?
unidentified
Nope, that's not how that works.
maj toure
These are the things that, you know, because even with the George Floyd thing, right?
tim pool
That's crazy.
maj toure
When Dave Chappelle said, like, yo, he wasn't the best dude, and he was not a good dude.
Not to sound rude to God bless the dead and all of that, right?
unidentified
No.
maj toure
No.
unidentified
Right.
maj toure
No, he's dead.
unidentified
He's gone.
tim pool
But, real quick, sorry.
New York Post does say, an inspector said it was just a natural deterioration.
But that means the wall just fell apart.
So either way.
maj toure
Either way.
That's a sign.
unidentified
Do you remember the Jacob Blake...
maj toure
No.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
So, I want you to pull that if you can.
Jacob Blake was a guy who got shot a couple times in the back by the police.
He was reaching for her.
maj toure
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
But people got mad at me after I found out the entire situation of what happened with Jacob Blake.
Brother went and raped his kid's mom in front of the kids, took her, tried to get her ATM or something, tried to get some money, whatever.
He was stealing from her, raped in front of the kids.
So, once I found that out, I put out a video, I said, bro, I wish the police would have shot him forever.
14 times!
Because ain't no way you went in there and everybody like, oh, well, just because he was reaching for a knife don't mean...
Bro, the reason the police was even there was because the baby mom called the police on him after he done raped her in front of the kids!
tim pool
And then he went to grab a knife, and that's only after their lives were threatened, the police reacted.
unidentified
And they got mad at me on social media!
Call me all types of names and supremacists and this and that and whatever.
tim pool
He didn't even die.
unidentified
He didn't even die.
maj toure
I wish he would have.
unidentified
I wish he was paralyzed from the waist down so he could never do it again.
I gotta agree with that.
Bump that, bro.
tim pool
I think he is paralyzed.
unidentified
Good!
Because that's insane.
Forget that, though.
We just want the sensationalism of the police shooting a black person and to me, rightfully so, because you're reaching for a knife.
What are we doing?
tim pool
I'll say I wish...
First, that he didn't rape his...
maj toure
Right, right, right.
tim pool
Whatever they said.
I don't know what the exact terminology they used because I don't know what the exact criminal charges were.
I wish he did not then defy the police and go for a weapon, which at close range will kill you.
And people don't understand this because you're a gun guy too.
Knives at close range.
maj toure
Close the distance and act fast with a knife.
It's lethal.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And it's – so in close range, a knife is more dangerous than a gun.
If you watch any of these training videos, you see like being able to pull the weapon out, get it ready to go, shoot.
A guy with a knife has just sliced you up a bunch of times.
I wish none of it happened.
I don't want anybody to die.
I don't want anybody to get paralyzed.
But there's a reality here.
This guy was a – is – again, I don't know the exact charges.
He said third-degree felony sexual assault and pulled a knife on cops.
This is a guy who abused a woman mercilessly.
In front of kids.
In front of children.
And then went to, presumably, let's just say, his intention was lethal force against the people trying to stop him from doing it.
And they sided with him.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And I'm like, what about the woman who was just...
unidentified
Wait, what?!
maj toure
I missed this whole story.
tim pool
Yo, NFL players put his name on their helmets.
unidentified
Bro, they got on me about this video, bro.
I got on video and said I wish he would have got shot a zillion times because I explained the entire situation.
They don't care.
All they care about was the sensationalism of the police shooting somebody black.
maj toure
Wait, so the jury, I'm assuming it was a jury trial.
They sided with him on this?
tim pool
No, we're saying like the leftist activists.
maj toure
Oh, okay, okay, okay.
All right, yeah.
tim pool
And the NFL players put his name on their helmets.
And it's just like, that pissed me off so much.
Because I'm going to say it again.
You know, I want to be careful on this because, you know, we often are.
I'm not a fan of death.
maj toure
Right.
tim pool
I'm not.
And so I would never wish that somebody lost their life.
I'm glad the dude did not die.
I believe there's a redemption and forgiveness for everybody.
Well, to varying certain degrees.
maj toure
That ask for it and are willing to put the work in under certain levels and conditions.
tim pool
And there still has to be penance.
maj toure
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, so there's varying degrees of crimes you commit.
I think, you know, Catholics and Christians would agree with this.
There's a certain line you've crossed where it's like, it's time to ask God for forgiveness.
unidentified
I'm going to make a statement here, just like back in the old days.
Do something crazy like that.
Stone him.
He's done.
I believe there is rightful stoning, and right there was stoning.
That's what I believe in.
At some point, people will continue doing stuff like this in the community unless somebody gets their hand chopped off for stealing.
tim pool
But it's actually, it's a cultural problem.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
This is clear cut.
There shouldn't be any debate on this, on the Jacob Blake story.
A guy committed, I'm being careful here because it's criminal charges.
He had a warrant for his arrest for third degree felony sexual assault, trespassing and disorderly conduct, and domestic abuse.
He shows up to this woman's house, so she calls for help.
And apparently he had assaulted her at that time as well.
unidentified
He did.
tim pool
The police show up to try and save this woman from a man who had sexually assaulted her, was trespassing.
This is a violent and abusive guy.
And he went to pull a knife on them.
And only then did the police respond with force to stop him.
And they defended the criminal rapist.
It's insane.
maj toure
Did the NFL... This is why I gotta go look at corporate again.
Did the NFL know all of this information before they threw...
unidentified
Yes, because who spent the most money?
maj toure
The women.
unidentified
Not only the women, black people.
maj toure
Oh, I get what you're saying.
unidentified
The reason these certain corporations...
Look, the reason certain corporations push toward black people is because black people spend the most money.
Now, you got some people where black people would never buy with them or black people would never shop with them, so you never see them do the DEI, Black Lives Matter stuff.
NBA, NFL, oh, they're going to do everything black people love because black people are going to spend the most with them.
maj toure
You know what they're not going to do that black people love?
unidentified
What?
maj toure
Have a majority, like, owners of the teams.
Yo.
unidentified
Hey, man.
tim pool
They deleted it.
unidentified
Oh!
maj toure
Smart!
tim pool
Look at this.
Was this?
It says several NFL teams followed the Detroit Lions' footsteps by calling off practice in the name of social justice.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
The New Orleans Saints opted for a different approach.
Janoris Jenkins showed on Instagram the Saints practiced Thursday with Jacob Blake decals on the front of their helmets.
Recognized a 29-year-old black man who was left paralyzed by a recent police shooting.
CBS doesn't even tell you the truth.
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
Look, man.
If this was a story about...
maj toure
This was in Kenosha.
tim pool
Yeah.
maj toure
What is going on in Kenosha?
unidentified
They protested about this.
They had a Kenosha protest.
tim pool
Wasn't that the protest for why Kyle Rittenhouse was out?
maj toure
I don't know.
Yes.
unidentified
No, no, no.
Yes.
This was with the Kyle Rittenhouse thing.
I don't want to be wrong.
maj toure
Oh, they mixed.
tim pool
Yeah.
maj toure
I do remember that.
unidentified
They protested about Jacob.
Kyle went there, if I'm not mistaken.
This whole thing happened with Jacob, but I don't...
I don't want to be wrong, so we're going to let him look it up.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
That was it.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They were a black man shot in the back.
maj toure
I remember the mix.
unidentified
All of this happened because of Jacob Blake.
tim pool
Everybody on the planet agrees.
Obviously, I don't mean literally every because there's evil people out there, but the overwhelming majority of people in this country who are sounding a reason of mine, if there's a story of a 29-year-old black man walking down the street, And he's on his way to church, and he's about to make a big donation to hurricane relief, and cops walked up and called him boy and put a bullet in his back, we'd all be protesting.
unidentified
100%.
tim pool
We'd be pissed off.
I'm not happy with any degree of violence, but I'm not going to – because I feel like it's more of an honor and duty thing where it's like strong leaders will say, we don't want violence, we don't want conflict, we don't want murder, we don't want rape.
It is not a good thing at any point whenever this happens.
But rest assured, if you rape a woman, if you then come to threaten her, we have a warrant for your arrest, and you pull a knife on police – That is evil and we will stop this to protect other people.
We're trying to minimize the damage and destruction.
And that's why I see what you're saying these people are evil.
That's why I say this to me with the saints is the banality of evil.
These lawyers and these Democrats and these activists knew exactly what this guy had done, had worked for.
That he was going for a knife, and they said, yeah, yeah, yeah, but just say it's another story that we can capitalize on and spark riots.
It results in how many people ended up?
Two people dying.
Kyle Rittenhouse was defending himself.
He did nothing wrong.
He was out there trying to help people.
He was clueless, and I mean this with no disrespect.
And then...
When this guy threatens to kill him and chases him down the street, only, only after another dude fires a gun, did Kyle Rittenhouse turn around, and then the guy reached and put his hand on the gun, that's when Rittenhouse fires.
He immediately tries running to the police.
I wish none of that happened.
I think Kyle wishes none of that happened.
He changed his life and damaged it in ways that will never change.
Then they lied and said Kyle Rittenhouse killed three black men.
All of this because these people are unwilling to tell you the truth.
They've got all of these people...
Defending and idolizing George Floyd, who was chewing on a speedball behind the wheel of a vehicle.
Sad that he died.
I don't want anybody to die.
But he's chewing a speedball.
Meth and what else was it?
It's heroin and meth mixed together or whatever.
Then they've got you cheering for a guy who sexually assaults this woman and then comes back.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
They got you cheering for him.
Then you got Kyle Rittenhouse, who ran to the police for help because they were threatening to kill him, and they've got you trying to destroy his life.
I'm sorry, all of that is evil.
unidentified
It is.
I did a video teaching.
So, my understanding is video.
I did a video with one of our local police.
Now, mind you, our city's about 77% black, so almost all of our police force is all black men.
So this whole, we hate the police thing in my home, I'm just like, dude, you grew up with old dude.
He was your football coach.
Like, stop.
Right.
So anyway, I did a video with these kids and we basically taught them how to interact with the police.
One thing I always notice, even with my family and stuff, anytime you get pulled over, the first thing you do is just get an attitude.
Why are you putting me over for?
Oh, here they go.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I'm just like, or maybe something's wrong.
You know, maybe you did something wrong.
And usually, this is only my experience.
I will say this.
I have not had an experience with a white cop that was racist.
This is my experience.
Every time I've been pulled over, I was doing something.
Every time, whether it had been a tail light, going too fast, I'm an avid speeder.
I get pulled over for speeding all the time.
I have never just been pulled over just because.
But anyway, I have...
I never have.
So look, so anyway, and I got pulled over a lot.
I got many tickets.
I like to speed.
But anyway, so I did this video to show them how to interact.
You know, let the windows down.
You know, talk politely.
Have your stuff ready.
Don't make any sudden movements.
You know, just basic stuff.
If you were wrong, you know, whatever, just take your ticket.
Handle your business.
Go fight it in court.
We're not about to argue on the side of the road.
Basically, turn the car light on if it's nighttime.
You know, just simple stuff to make.
tim pool
Engine off.
Keys on the front.
Hand on the wheel.
unidentified
Make Everybody's life easy.
They get mad at me.
Oh, you should be telling them to assert their rights.
I had folks tell them to have a gun ready to shoot the police.
This was real stuff.
People was getting mad at me for telling the kids how to stay alive.
I'm like, dude, we're trying to get back home to our kids.
We're not trying to be arguing with no police on the side of the road.
They get mad at me.
They tell me I'm a white supremacist.
I'm a aiding white supremacy, not telling them their rights.
I'm like, it's not that I'm not telling them their rights.
I'm telling them, first of all, how to start the interaction to keep it cool.
I've even had police, like, for example...
I've been...
It's been three or four times where I got pulled over.
I was let go because I pulled over so fast.
I've been speeding before by the police.
I pulled over before he turned the lights on because I knew he was going to get me.
I've done that before.
And they were just...
Because I didn't have to come get you, just slow down.
Like, just simple stuff like that makes everybody's day easier and it goes by fast.
maj toure
To your point of...
Small town as opposed to Philly, Chicago, New York.
unidentified
Yep.
maj toure
Small town where most of the people grew up there.
Yep.
Sheriff, those experiences.
Yo, what's up, Steve?
How are you?
unidentified
Exactly.
maj toure
Right?
unidentified
Yep.
maj toure
You're an enemy combatant.
unidentified
Yep.
maj toure
You definitely going to harm my life.
And a police force that's tens of thousands of people, that becomes a different conversation.
That nuance and not making the people communicate and say, hey, different environments curate different things.
The sheriff and his deputies are elected.
These people and that dude is voted in by, he no main man from whenever they went to whatever college together.
unidentified
Correct.
Yeah.
maj toure
Right, and the numbers.
And so that further discussion around that culture in those different spaces is something that breaks that nuance as well.
Now, I'll ask you all this, though.
Do we think that it's possible...
That everybody will be willing to receive a full...
Because what we're talking about right now is fuller context conversation.
unidentified
Sure.
maj toure
Do you think that it's impossible or possible for the general public, maybe not the extreme ends, but the general public to generally go, okay, it's situational, there's other factors in, and it's very relevant to each scenario, or are we just cooked?
unidentified
We cook.
tim pool
Well...
unidentified
I say we cook.
I'm going to let Tim talk.
But I say we cook because of how far we've gone with the media.
They're never going to allow us to think situationally.
Because there are people right now that believe that people are dying every day by the police.
There are people...
I was there.
I was there a long time ago watching social media.
There are people right now who believe every single day...
There are unarmed black people getting killed by the police right now.
You can go ask them.
There's people dying every day by the cops.
They shooting them every day.
And I'm just like, dude, that has probably happened maybe a couple times this year.
maj toure
Do you agree?
Do you think we cooked?
Or do you think people have the capacity to kind of like generally?
tim pool
Well, I think most people...
It depends on which side is in control of the media apparatus, which we are slowly gaining more control over.
And I say we, it's like the decentralized independent voices, the longer form conversations.
We'll see how long that lasts because short form is getting massively powerful.
But when you look at like the past 10 years, why were people marching in the streets to defend a guy who like is accused of raping this woman and drew a knife?
And it's because they don't know or care.
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
Mm-hmm.
Now that we're post the Trump Republican crushing victory, popular vote and everything, people are now reassessing as to which side is the right side of history.
And so I don't know that we're cooked.
What I would say is I don't know that we will ever get to the point where regular people are going to decide to actually learn for themselves what's really going on.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
But it's an ebb and flow of, well, right now, if we are the ones that have the dominant control in the media, which is, we'll tell you the truth and ask you, please don't defend a guy who did something like this, these people aren't going to go out and do it.
unidentified
Nope.
maj toure
Yeah.
tim pool
But it could change again at some point.
Who knows?
maj toure
Yeah.
I think I'm somewhere in between.
I'm, at different times, Brad Pitt in the movie Seven.
unidentified
Yeah.
maj toure
And Morgan Freeman in the movie Seven.
I don't know if the viewers didn't see it.
tim pool
I haven't seen that movie in a long time.
maj toure
So the two detectives.
tim pool
Yeah.
maj toure
Brad Pitt's gung-ho, like, yeah.
Morgan Freeman's character's been there for a thousand years.
His retirement's like next week.
And then here comes Kevin Spacey's character, just like the worst killer.
unidentified
Shout out to Kevin Spacey.
maj toure
And so he's telling main man...
unidentified
Right, shout out to Kevin Spacey.
maj toure
He's telling...
Morgan Freeman's character's telling their captain, like...
I don't want this to be my last case.
And it definitely should not be his first case.
Because these killings are just gonna go...
He's talking about the seven deadly sins.
This is symbolic.
This dude's gonna just kill and keep killing.
And I'm like up for retirement next week.
Brad Pitt told him in the movie, Morgan Freeman's character, he said, you know, you're too, in essence, paraphrasing, he called him too black-pilled.
He's like, you've just seen death for so long that you don't think that...
And Brad Pitt had a moment of clarity where he says, I can't think that.
I can't.
New baby, new wife, wanting to do good in the world, still hope.
So, from your perspective...
You're Morgan Freeman and you're Brad Pitt and I'm like somewhere in the middle where Life has shown me so much of the like, ugh, and you're in the middle of it, right?
You have had all of these amazing stories around the world for so long, and moments of hope, right?
But you've also created an environment for yourself, like your day's like most people's vacation, right?
No, what I mean by that is, you're doing what you're passionate about.
unidentified
Yeah, right.
maj toure
So you've somewhat insulated yourself from a lot of the goofery, right?
unidentified
Goofery.
maj toure
I can see both sides of that because our work is in the community, but it's not a small town like Albany.
It's Philly.
I can walk up the street and see where the Constitution was signed.
I have these visual representations in the middle of City Hall.
There's these four sculptures.
There's a group of Indian men, Native Indigenous people, Black people, Asian people, and white people all holding up City Hall in the middle of City Hall.
And it represents, when I was in high school, I used to take tours of this stuff.
It represents all of the types of people that built America and built this brotherly love city.
My point is, I have access to different levels of hope that makes me hopeful.
You are in the middle of a small town and all of those different things, so you're like, nah, he cooked, main man should have died, this, that, and the third.
And I think if we can strike a balance in that space in some way, I think that goes in that direction.
But to your point, I don't want to give up that hope.
I just—in that sense, I feel like Brad Pitt in that moment where, like, I can't.
tim pool
I don't know if it's hope.
It's just—you know, I was saying this before the election.
The reason why the popular vote mattered so much is most people will do what they're told, and it's not who's telling them.
It's the majority.
This is why they say, like, people will vote for who they think is going to win just because they want to fit in.
Not everybody.
There's people who do this.
And so— I think?
Trump wins.
Republicans win.
Popular vote for Trump.
And now what are we hearing?
A lot of these people, Bill Maher on his show last week being like, well, we need disruption.
You know, I wouldn't have voted for Trump.
But you know, Jon Stewart now saying that the election of Trump is a repudiation of a stagnant system.
Bernie Sanders coming up being like, Elon Musk is right about the spending in this country.
And then Cenk Uygur coming out and saying, you know, talking about Trump won legitimately and now we're trying to work with the populists.
Many of these people, the majority are just like, who's the bigger group and I'll do whatever they tell me to do.
And I don't think, I think it's human.
It's partly due to the fact that a guy whose job it is to be an electrician is spending his day.
He can tell you everything about how these systems work, how electricity works, how you can build the lighting systems.
It's not his job to read the news and understand the nuances of political machinations.
So then he's just like, look, man.
I turn the TV on and try and do my best, but for the most part, my job is learning how to do electricity.
That person's never going to become a top-tier journalist.
So if the corporate press runs the narrative and they're lying all the time, these people are like, I can't believe how evil Trump is.
Now that the narrative is being controlled more and more by independent voices who are telling the truth, or not all of them do, but more so...
This guy's going to be like, oh, wow, I didn't realize that was a lie.
Okay, well, now I will vote for Trump.
And so that's where we're winning.
At any point, liars may take over again.
It goes back and forth.
The price for freedom is eternal vigilance.
So that's why it's not like hope or not hope.
It's we won this battle and now we've got to hold the line and make sure we stop the evil and the liars.
maj toure
Right.
I agree with that.
I just think that that gets changed and more people want to be in alignment with that because it wasn't always this level of Edward Bernays propaganda fight all the time.
When it was just, I think that electrician should be more involved so he or she can become a statesman or a stateswoman.
I think that that's where we fell.
And when we do go, I don't think that we just get to tap out only on this is what my one skill set is.
To your point, the people that framed America were young 20-year-olds.
You know what I'm saying?
Dudes was barely out of teenagers.
tim pool
24, 26. Right.
But back then, that was a man.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
I mean, you're an adult man.
maj toure
So when do we give the green light for men to not be that now?
Because we got Wi-Fi?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
No, we gotta shame that.
maj toure
And that's my point.
And that's my point.
I think that it becomes a...
I'm gonna do shameless plugs when we wrap up and all of that, right?
I'm gonna plug X4Boys, right?
We're doing things in the community that need to be done.
And I don't think people should...
I don't think we should give people that ability to go, hey man, I'm an electrician.
So...
Politics, you know, the whole like, well, I'm just not interested.
Well, politics is interested in you, champ.
unidentified
Yeah, I used to be that way again.
I told you when I was like 18, 19, I was like, I'm not doing politics, man.
We just do for self, do work, boom, boom, boom, boom, and that's it.
Until I get, again, 23, 24, 25, I'm like, okay.
They just passed something.
I just seen that.
I need to go down there and see what they got going on.
Because it is affecting my kids.
maj toure
You're going to be further impacted as much.
And I love that electrician.
I love him.
I go, yo, bro, make sure my lights are on.
But then I also go, hey, man, when you're doing the light thing, Can I sit in with you so I can learn a basic understanding of it?
tim pool
Let me read this comment from Gravy Skateboarding.
He said, Tim, tradesmen follow politics just as much as you most times.
What do you think we are listening to while we work, duh?
No, my friend, you completely misunderstand.
You do not follow politics the way I do.
Yeah.
And this is the point.
I don't mean this disrespectfully, but people only know what they can know and they project their experience on other people.
Dude, I don't watch and listen to podcasts.
maj toure
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't pull up, you know, Benny Johnson and listen to his show.
No disrespect.
He's got a big show.
He's got a great show.
He talks to members of Congress.
I am reading 17 articles on the exact same story.
maj toure
Right.
tim pool
And then I'm looking for where they're lying.
And then you'll read one news story, and it's like the one with the Saints and Jacob Blake, and it'll say, an unarmed black man was shot.
And then what do I do?
I pull up the video.
I pull up the charging papers or whatever.
I look to a combination of journalists and internal research, and then I'll just be like, hey, wait a minute, that's not what happened.
So, for instance, with the Covington kids, you guys remember this one?
maj toure
Yeah.
tim pool
I see a video going viral of a Native American and a kid.
And the kid's got this weird look on his face and the guy's banging a drum.
And everybody online, literally everybody, is saying, look at this kid.
How could he do this?
And I was like, I don't even know what this is.
And people are like, Tim, make a video about it.
And I was like, but what is going on?
So what happened?
I, as well as other people, someone sent me a live stream, said, Tim, check this live stream out.
No tradesmen watched a three-hour live stream from Washington, D.C. I don't expect them to.
Nothing is happening.
There's loud noises.
There's chanting.
There was Black Hebrew Israelites.
There's banging on drums.
No, they're going to go watch the podcast I and others have made after watching three hours of that.
maj toure
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm not saying they have an obligation to do that, but the reality is many of these people don't realize they're not actually doing the same work.
Look, we got lights put in here.
Imagine if I came out and said, I'm doing the exact same work the electricians are doing every single day.
What do you think we're doing?
I got my lights fixed.
No, no, no, no, no.
When they're ordering it, all the behind-the-scenes stuff.
So I'm not saying that disrespectfully.
I'm saying that I don't think people realize the amount of work that goes into...
dragging through all of this stuff to figure out to the best of at least my abilities, which is far from perfect, what is or is not.
For instance, people keep – it's blown my mind.
A couple weeks ago, they were like, hey, did you see AOC took her pronouns out of her profile?
So the first thing I did was I retweeted it with an LOL, and that was preemptive.
I do this sometimes.
And then immediately started pulling up archives.
I went to two different archiving websites and pulled up probably ten different versions of her profile to try and sorting algorithm when she removed her pronouns.
Deleted the tweet.
She took them out over a year ago, a year and a half ago.
So everyone's acting like Trump won, and then she went, uh-oh, and got rid of the pronouns.
And people keep telling me, said, you see, no, that was a year and a half ago.
I got the archives.
I deleted that tweet.
unidentified
I'm mentioning that the tradesmen aren't paying attention.
I think, just like you're mentioning, nobody's doing the in-depth research.
You're listening to stuff, but you're not doing in-depth research.
And again, going back to how politics affects everybody, for example, I just did a video the other day about our hometown.
We had one skate park in our hometown for skateboarders or whatever like that.
And nobody's paying attention to nothing.
I tell you, you got to go to your commission meetings, go to city council meetings.
So everybody pops up the other day.
Guess what?
Skate park is completely demolished.
It's all gone.
Yeah.
Because they need to use it to build a bridge.
So now the skateboarders are reaching out to me and stuff because I go to the meetings and stuff.
They're like, hey, what's up?
I'm like, this is why I tell you guys, you got to just pay attention to stuff because they approve for it.
It's all gone.
tim pool
One more point on this.
That's why I was saying if we control the narrative, then the people are going to be walking in the right direction.
Because that tradesman, as you mentioned, listening to this show or other shows throughout the day, you're consuming information from me, from Benny Johnson, from Stephen Crowder or Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, whoever it may be.
And we are trying our best to understand what's really going on and then honestly convey what happened and our thoughts on the matter.
And then you can choose to agree or disagree with us.
The corporate press is intentionally lying every step of the way, refusing to admit when they were wrong or outright intentionally trying to lead you in the wrong direction.
So I completely agree.
The tradesman is helping build a house, making society function, and they're listening to the news as they do it.
They are not investigating the claims of the news.
maj toure
And I challenge the in-between.
The in-between challenge for me is that tradesman...
Can land by watching all of the independent journalists and podcasts and all of that.
But I need that tradesman to understand that one of the most impactful things that he or she can do is start investing in your own ability to start doing at least a modicum of what you guys do.
Because otherwise, we don't know if all of the people that you just named, right?
Every corporate entity goes through this.
They were innovative.
They were independent.
Everybody like Google, AT&T, Microsoft.
Oh, man, this is so inventive because of their ingenuity and whatever.
Then they become a conglomerate.
Then they start becoming the same exact thing, right?
Then the antitrust suit.
So, okay, who's to say?
You know, Tim continues to grow, to expand and expand and expand, and Tim is now a Sith Lord.
And now you're listening to the SIF Lord because you just went, well, he started out telling me the truth and being objective.
The only way that we can continue to make all of those entities, podcasting, long format, all of that, continue to be that is if those entities know you're not really paying attention to me.
tim pool
It is the conglomerate, right?
So for a show like this, let's say Crowder, let's say Benny, me, just insert whatever...
I believe they will always maintain that degree of integrity that the corporate press did not.
And it's because Tucker Carlson was on MSNBC before.
And he's not anymore.
It's because the machine does not care who's telling the truth or what.
They care about their bottom line.
Now, this ultimately resulted in their own destruction.
But their attitude was, you don't get the ratings, we'll find someone who will.
And then they just keep playing with it until they ended up with the lowest common denominator of shock jock garbage content.
Orange man bad, orange man bad.
And now it's not playing anymore because people started to realize you've been lying to me the whole time.
Lying to me the whole time.
maj toure
That part would not happen if you took more of an interest in what you're consuming, what you're eating, your diet.
tim pool
Oh, dude, this is...
maj toure
Your diet, your diet, your diet, right?
tim pool
Yep.
maj toure
Because Tim might, at a certain point, lie to me.
I don't think he does.
But just in case, let me develop the skills.
The same as I would with the tradesman that says, yeah, man, this lighting is going to cost you $872,000.
unidentified
Still go research to make sure.
maj toure
As opposed to me going, ah, he said it's $872,000.
He seems like an honest dude.
And it becomes like, that's the reason why corporate press got there.
Because I could scare you, the human nature component of it is, I could just scare you and say the sensationalized things and we get the ad revenue.
tim pool
Here's where it gets crazier.
News organization publishes knowingly false news, gets a million views off of it.
Then gets a cease and desist, publishes a retraction, gets another 50,000 views.
The retraction makes money.
They don't give the money back when they write fake news.
They just switch it with a retraction, publish it again, and then make more money.
unidentified
Yep.
maj toure
And the only thing that would be able to stop them is if they knew, like now, with MSNBC having the lowest ratings of like a bajillion years, that they go, oh...
They're kind of like holding us accountable now.
They're holding us accountable by not...
You can't.
I can't.
You're lying.
tim pool
Yeah.
maj toure
Right?
But that's because more people are paying attention because of the work that folks like, you know...
tim pool
You know what I think it is?
It's largely competition.
That's all that matters.
So, you know, in the space right now, there's millions of podcasts.
And, you know, it's funny because there's like...
I guess PewDiePie was ragging on Joe Rogan recently saying like, there's too many podcasts.
We don't want any more.
Yeah, but...
I think like 99% of podcasts get something like 15 views.
People are trying to start businesses.
But in this space, you've got a bunch of choices.
And with the corporate press, you don't.
It's incestuous.
They all know each other.
They're all friends with each other.
They have the same sponsors.
And then they all say the same things.
In the independent space...
You've got, like, I mentioned all these independent personalities.
If one of them starts coming out and publishing lies, people are going to be like, wait a minute.
I watched this other show, too.
And they said the opposite.
Which one's true?
Check.
That person lied.
I'm out.
maj toure
Speed of internet.
unidentified
Yeah.
maj toure
Yeah, I agree with that.
I can see that.
I can see that.
tim pool
But it is largely generational, right?
It's the other thing, too, I'll say.
When it's like, hey, maybe one day Tim becomes conglomerate and he's lying.
I don't think that's possible.
I think who people are...
Largely will be who they remain for the most part.
People can change a little bit.
But what I mean is the next wave of lying press is probably going to be a younger generation that is motivated by self-interest and starts exploiting the algorithms and systems to make money.
And that will undercut the current independent press.
And it's a back and forth.
So this is one thing that people, I think, make a mistake about is that...
We see, for instance, Gen Z is shifting towards Trump.
And the assumption everybody is making is that young people have started to learn and wake up to the realities of the world.
Not true.
The reason why we saw a shift in the younger generation towards Trump this time around in this election, four years ago, those voters were not voters.
And so people need to recognize, they're like, we're seeing a huge shift to the right in the 55 age group.
And it's like, that's different from where it was 10 years ago because the boomers are now no longer in that bracket.
Gen X is.
All you're really seeing is that Gen Xers who are conservative have remained conservative.
maj toure
Right.
tim pool
Gen Z, who is shifting right, no.
It's because these people, these young people, were conservative.
Now they're old enough to vote, and you're seeing their political ideas manifest.
maj toure
I think it's an addition to that, too.
I think more people are starting to, with the advent of technology and phones, not even advent, it's here.
It's been here.
It's like, you know what I mean?
I think more people are listening to urban America.
Like, that's the reason why Democrats dominated for so long.
Like, easily.
Because they were just like there.
If I'm here and I'm listening and I'm going, all right, we could kind of lie this much and we could say this and they got a short memory span, so we're going to do X, Y, and Z. I think that's more what it is.
I think more people are going, whoever listens to that...
Dense population that is telling you, this is an issue for me.
And those people can speak to those concerns.
It's like Trump, what was that, 2016?
He was like, you go outside, you get shot, you don't got jobs, a vote for me, what do you got to lose?
unidentified
Yeah, he's like, why?
What else you got to lose?
maj toure
That demographic, that resonated with that.
Fast forward to now, the left played it all the way this way.
The left goes, urban America goes, we don't like...
Overreaching, expansive hands of the state charging people unnecessarily for things they shouldn't be charged for.
The left got comfortable and wasn't listening to that conversation in urban America.
So I think whoever continues to listen to those big pockets of population, those people say...
We don't want this.
Again, the gay community going, yo, we didn't ask for kids to be here.
We didn't ask for X, Y, and Z. Those people that say, when Trump goes, I was there.
Great interview with him at the Libertarian National Convention, by the way.
tim pool
Wish we had more time.
maj toure
Yeah.
I was there, and I went there to see how we approached it.
I was front row, and I'm like, alright, let's see how he does.
Right?
Played it great.
tim pool
I thought it was great.
maj toure
Some libertarians, boo, it doesn't matter what you say.
I'm a libertarian.
You're not.
unidentified
Boo.
tim pool
What did he say to me?
He was like, then you're going to get 3% and you can lose.
maj toure
I laughed at it.
I was like, oh, that's fair, right?
Then in hindsight, based on the pick, but whole nother conversation.
My point is, for whatever reason, whoever is in his camp, He's listening to where that demographic—the Joe Rogan demographic is an urban demographic.
The Tim is a mostly urban demographic.
The people that are looking to that, right?
He, for some reason—like you said, yo, Barron told me, yo, Dad, you gotta do this podcast.
Yo, Dad, you gotta do X, Y, and Z, right?
Right?
The demographic that listens to that, as well as the people that are in those communities doing the work, that become leaders like you and I are in those communities, those are the people that become...
It's like gangs of New York.
That person, the butcher, not saying we're evil, but the butcher becomes the person that now is the political figurehead in that demographic, that speaks to, for, and is accountable to that demographic.
The politicians that listen to that demographic, when Kamala's like, I'm not doing Joe Rogan, Dumb.
unidentified
All right, cool.
maj toure
Right?
unidentified
Cool.
maj toure
I'm not Biden at the time.
I'm not going to go holler at those crazy libertarians.
unidentified
Cool.
maj toure
No problem.
Right?
And we see in that.
And it's not even just the electoral college.
It is the popular vote.
I think that if people keep listening to that demographic, I think those are the people that consistently win.
Because again, like when we're talking about the...
Police brutality situation.
We have been telling you these things.
When black America, urban America...
You know, that's like code for urban black, right?
When we said...
This system is being corrupt and we caught up in it.
Ah, just pull yourself up by the bootstraps.
And again, then one of yours got caught up in that and it's like, hey, this system is corrupt.
Whoever listens to that demographic and applies the solutions that leaders in those communities do and say, they win.
That's my view on it.
unidentified
Yep.
I agree.
maj toure
Alright.
tim pool
So then we've solved all the problems.
maj toure
Poverty's done.
tim pool
Poverty's done.
maj toure
Culture war episode.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But I'm pretty optimistic.
I've been saying this for a minute.
I think they call this the podcast presidency.
The influence of these independent channels is becoming massive.
maj toure
Yeah.
tim pool
It's going to continue to grow this direction.
Real conversations are going to happen.
I think we're pulling out of this tailspin culturally and things are going to start getting better.
And I hope that's the case because otherwise you've got the fourth turning, the Strassau generational theory where they predict that there should be – if those that aren't familiar with it, we're supposed to be entering a period of great war and conflict.
And so the way it goes is simplifying it.
Eighty years ago, what happened?
maj toure
World War II. World War II, yep.
tim pool
Eight years before that, what happened?
Civil War.
maj toure
Civil War.
tim pool
Eight years before that, what happened?
maj toure
Revolutionary.
tim pool
Revolutionary War, that's right.
unidentified
Damn!
tim pool
And so the theory is that it's four generations.
And basically what happens is you get this one generation born of strife, and so they realize the horrors of war and conflict and the like, we're not going to let that happen.
But then they're strong, they're resilient, hardworking.
They have kids, those kids have kids, and then by the fourth generation, they've completely forgotten they're living in excess.
And so it's by the third generation, you get the buildup of strife, and then by the fourth is the breakdown again, and this fourth generation becomes the first.
So the theory is, by 2028, we are supposed to be in something akin to either World War II or the Civil War.
maj toure
Has there been a thing that has blocked that cycle?
Because that scared the hell out.
I didn't know that.
Right?
Those cycles going backwards?
Has there ever been a time in American history where that cycle...
No!
No, if it's 80 years.
tim pool
Right, but it's a young country too.
And so that's why, you know, some people are saying, yeah, it's meaningless, but it's like, no, we had the Revolution, then we had the Civil War, then we had World War, and now it's been 80 years.
maj toure
The only thing that I can think that would be something that would potentially block that is those generations didn't have access and spread of information this fast.
tim pool
Right.
maj toure
It's the only thing.
tim pool
I say the last decade was the 90s, and it's because of the internet.
So name a decade, and you can, the roaring 20s, the gangsters in the 30s, the 40s, the 50s, and 60s.
And more predominantly culturally with the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, they all have their cultural identity as a decade.
maj toure
Right.
tim pool
Then it's done.
It's over.
By the 2000s, there's a little bit of it.
And then now, we can't even differentiate between 2020, 2010, 2000.
There's no distinct...
That's true.
2000s got a little bit of it, but the 90s had a look of feel, it had music, and that's because of the internet.
So this may actually have disrupted the whole system.
maj toure
And I hope so.
unidentified
Because what does war look like now?
It's over.
tim pool
But here's the thing.
We do have Russia.
unidentified
But again, the question, because I understand armament and what everybody has.
How does war look?
Because they got a nuke over here.
Okay, well, we got an anti-nuke over here.
maj toure
Oh, no.
unidentified
How does war like that work?
Are we going combat again?
Because ain't nobody doing combat no more.
We got drones.
We got bombs.
maj toure
It could be that.
In my view, an estimation based on looking at what I'm looking at, It's a scale of death and destruction that I can't even...
unidentified
The other day I was just checking out the bombs they have now.
They got bombs that'll take out a whole state.
I mean, this is insane.
But then we got anti-nukes.
So if they shoot that bomb off, then we got something to go counter that bomb.
maj toure
It's mutually assured destruction.
There's no way to end my brain.
unidentified
I just think world leaders just need to fight hand-to-hand combat.
maj toure
Oh, you're saying like they just get out there and duke it up?
unidentified
Putin, Trump, duke it out.
Go fight.
Because what do we got to do with that?
It's crazy.
maj toure
You see the show Fallout?
tim pool
Oh, man.
Great.
I love the games, so I enjoyed the show.
That's easy.
maj toure
Yo.
Again, we're under the assumption that he got the thing.
tim pool
So check us out.
unidentified
Look at that.
tim pool
This is Tsar Bomba, the largest bomb ever designed.
It was 100 megatons.
This is a Soviet Union that made this, and this is decades ago.
unidentified
See?
The new ones are crazy.
tim pool
So this bomb that was made decades ago would basically wipe out half of Long Island, all of New York City, and stretch down to Trenton, New Jersey.
The blast would go halfway to Philadelphia, and that's a bomb from, I think, the 70s.
unidentified
We're not talking about, like, no, like, blow your limp.
We mean, like, vaporize.
Like, I mean, like...
tim pool
Oh, right, so...
unidentified
Like, off a movie, like, you get shot and...
tim pool
Well, well, so that...
So check this out.
The Nuke Map is an awesome website.
The fireball radius is what you're describing.
That's actually only Manhattan.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I'm saying, like, the inside ball is, like, vaporizing.
And then the rest of it, you get, like, third-degree burns.
tim pool
Right, this yellow.
unidentified
You lose your sight, you know, things like that.
tim pool
If you live in Long Branch...
And they drop this bomb on New York, you would suffer third degree thermal radiation burns.
And then if you live in Trenton, New Jersey, there would be blast damage, meaning your windows explode, car alarms are going off, trees are getting knocked over.
unidentified
It's an old bomb.
tim pool
That's an old one.
And I will say, though, this was a gravity bomb, which means they drop it from a plane.
So that's not going to happen this time around.
Now it's even better.
NukeMap actually can't do the...
And actually, that wouldn't...
I don't think that would be a surface burst anyway because it's a gravity bomb.
So, oh man, it's even scarier.
It's not as big, but more people are vaporized by...
Blasted with radiation.
But what they would probably do now is it's going to be something like...
So a MERV, a multiple independently targeted reentry vehicle, is going to launch one rocket into the air, and then it's going to drop 12 warheads.
So it's not even one bomb.
It's 10 or 12 of them all just flattening the eastern seaboard.
Anyway, anyway, we can't go over, so we'll wind things down.
Guys, thanks so much for hanging out.
For everybody watching at home, smash the like button, share the show.
You can follow me on X on Instagram at TimCast.
Do you guys want to shout anything out?
unidentified
Absolutely.
You can follow me and organization, the X for Boys.
You can go to thexforboys.org.
You can follow me at New Emerging King and see all the incredible work we're doing with kids, teaching them how to work on cars, houses, doing firearms training, whatever.
We're teaching boys a lot of different things.
I'm glad Tim brought me on today.
Hopefully, we can come back and Mods Black Guns Matter.
maj toure
Yeah.
Yeah, guys.
Follow me on X. I've been kicked off of X on Instagram a few times now.
X is at Maj2Ray, M-A-J-T-O-U-R-E 999. Instagram at BigDaddy2Ray.
Support the work.
We fundraise and we at the last leg of this fundraising situation so we can buy the Solutionary Center and fund all of 2025's classes across the country.
It's like you drive eight hours and that last half hour is like the most brutal.
That's what this last bit of fundraising is.
So guys, all of the classes, Stop the Bleed, Conflict Resolution, De-Escalation, Civics, Sewing, whatever type of class we have in person is free to all because of your voluntary donations.
Please, guys, donate towards the work.
We can't have these in-depth conversations as we have had today because And then you have people that are doing the actual work in the community.
unidentified
You don't support them.
maj toure
And you do not support them.
Like, we can't...
tim pool
But they're going to go shop at Target.
unidentified
They're going to go to Target, bro, and get the DEI Jaguar.
Mind you, we're doing free work.
Like, all this stuff I mentioned, like keeping kids overnight, etc.
I don't charge for any of that.
Never have in six years.
So we do all of it exclusively from donors that call, that help, that send stuff on the Amazon wish list, etc.
So you can go to the xforboys.org and Black Guns Matter and go donate and help us continue this work.
And we show and prove, by the way.
You don't just donate.
We show you what's up.
I take pictures of receipts.
We show you the toilets we needed.
We show you the basketball court.
We show you all of it.
So please, if you want some transparency in the organizations, you got me and Maj right here.
maj toure
Give, send, go dot com forward slash solutionary.
X for boys dot org.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Right on.
unidentified
Boom.
tim pool
It's been a blast.
All right, everybody, we're back tonight for Timcast IRL at 8 p.m.
YouTube dot com slash Timcast IRL. Thanks for hanging out.
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